Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome everybody to another review.
Speaker 1: We're gonna doing a season recap of The Boys season four,
Speaker 1: season four, the whole season, so Spike and Nick they
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Speaker 1: dot com slash uh FBS podcast. But you guys went
Speaker 1: all the way up to what what episode seven?
Speaker 2: I think we didn't do seven to eight?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, all right, Well, yeah, The Boys Season
Speaker 1: four takes place six months after everything that went down
Speaker 1: in the previous season.
Speaker 3: They you know, are working.
Speaker 1: With uh, the Boys worked with the CIA to assassinate
Speaker 1: Victoria Newman in an effort to stop make it over
Speaker 1: the government. Uh. She is moving closer to the Oval office,
Speaker 1: you know, under Homelander, who is trying to consolidate his powers.
Speaker 1: And Butcher only has a couple of months to live,
Speaker 1: so and he got kicked out because they tired of
Speaker 1: his line and uh, and they're trying to save the world.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much where we kind of start with
Speaker 1: this one. What do you guys think about the overall season?
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna try to breeze through these because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it shouldn't really take that long to discuss
Speaker 1: in totality.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what do you guys think of the oh,
Speaker 3: the whole season ship?
Speaker 4: I'll go then, I guess I really enjoyed it. I
Speaker 4: didn't like last season, and I I kind of just
Speaker 4: gave up. I was like, I'm done with the boys. Actually,
Speaker 4: was it last season or season two?
Speaker 3: I think it was season two.
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think it was season two.
Speaker 4: I didn't like, and then something told me to go
Speaker 4: ahead and watch season three. I don't remember much about
Speaker 4: season three, but I remember thinking it was okay, that
Speaker 4: was that was.
Speaker 2: With social Boy. That's when we got to introduce to him.
Speaker 4: And you know what, I feel like I needed to
Speaker 4: go back and rewatch the whole thing because I don't
Speaker 4: really remember, but I must not have hated it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I think you I think I remember you talking about
Speaker 4: season three kind of brought you back a little bit
Speaker 4: more because season two went in a real interesting direction,
Speaker 4: and then season three kind of brought things back.
Speaker 2: They got season better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, season two was with the Nazi chick, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was storm Front.
Speaker 4: Storm Front. I remember that. No, this season I really liked,
Speaker 4: I really really like it all but one episode I really.
Speaker 3: Liked what episode was that, the.
Speaker 4: One with you where he was dressed up as the
Speaker 4: other dude and they were in the basement an hour
Speaker 4: This is a set episode wild. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I liked this season. It maintained the one in season three,
Speaker 5: which I think with the better two seasons. I didn't
Speaker 5: like season two that much either. They kind of meandering
Speaker 5: around on a couple of things that I wish they
Speaker 5: had just got to the end of before the season finale.
Speaker 5: But all in all, I didn't have any bad takeaways.
Speaker 5: Like I liked it with this show. As me and
Speaker 5: Nick were discussion throughout it, like you get what you
Speaker 5: sign up for, Like they're gonna do the voice.
Speaker 2: They don't try to do anything different, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I think for me, it definitely started off then I
Speaker 1: had Nick a little slow for me, but I felt
Speaker 1: like right towards the midway market started to pick up,
Speaker 1: you know, as it went along. But the first and
Speaker 1: maybe it just took a minute for me to get
Speaker 1: back into this world. But the first two episodes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough watch.
Speaker 3: But overall I walked away and enjoying it for the
Speaker 3: most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, I enjoyed this is the
Speaker 2: fourth season.
Speaker 4: I think right now one in three stand out to
Speaker 4: me the most is like my favorites out of the four.
Speaker 4: But it felt like they this season could have been
Speaker 4: maybe six episodes instead of eight, like if they, like
Speaker 4: to Mike's point, that one episode probably didn't need to
Speaker 4: be there or could have been just like a one
Speaker 4: scene kind of thing. There's some other pieces like with
Speaker 4: Hughey's dad and all that stuff, like they could have
Speaker 4: just like they didn't have to like kick that down
Speaker 4: the line for like two episode arc or whatever. But
Speaker 4: I think that where we where we started, where we
Speaker 4: ended is where like that holds up the season for me.
Speaker 4: Everything in between, which is was a little bit great.
Speaker 4: I think episode four was a stand out to me.
Speaker 4: I think when Homelander went to back to his home,
Speaker 4: like his hometown or where he kind of grew up,
Speaker 4: and that episode was really awesome. But I don't I
Speaker 4: don't have any complaint about how they ended because I'm
Speaker 4: excited for season five.
Speaker 3: H Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Episode one, they kind of start to establish some things
Speaker 1: or or remind us of some things, like we find
Speaker 1: out Butcher had Butcher has six months to live. The daughter,
Speaker 1: Victorian Numan's daughter has powers.
Speaker 3: All kinds of crazy.
Speaker 1: Stuff happening in that particular fight. John Kenseler shows up
Speaker 1: from The Walking Dead. Uh, is boy what is his name?
Speaker 4: Is the name?
Speaker 3: I know it, but I always forget it.
Speaker 4: I always call him Egan. I'm trying to think of it.
Speaker 4: Jean Dean. What's his name, Dean Morgan, Yeah, something like that,
Speaker 4: Like his name a real old school white man named.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey.
Speaker 4: I think it's Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I was surprised to see him here. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're trying to heat level up a bit now.
Speaker 4: He Eric Kripke is basically bringing like a lot of
Speaker 4: the cast back from.
Speaker 2: Supernatural and different roles.
Speaker 4: So he was a really on Supernatural before he was
Speaker 4: on the Walking So he was there. That's why they
Speaker 4: got the guy wh played Dean Winchester, he played Social Boy. Uh,
Speaker 4: the guy who played is it the President? The white guy?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Bobby Singer, Yeah, singer he played on Supernatural. To like,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that you will see that
Speaker 4: like are coming from that that he's bringing into this world,
Speaker 4: which is I mean, so it's not a surprise that
Speaker 4: I saw him there, but I know y'all know him
Speaker 4: from Walking Dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now I'm like you, Nick, I know was
Speaker 1: Supernatural then Supernatural and Deth for Housewives and of course Mike,
Speaker 1: don't look.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a random can't I can't even laugh
Speaker 4: because gras.
Speaker 3: Anatomy, Gray's anatomy. No, I didn't watch house Wise.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 5: When the Black Man I locked in the basement, I
Speaker 5: got out there. I swear, like, I'm not watching this.
Speaker 4: I still it was hot, so I can't That's that's
Speaker 4: my excuse. But it was out where everybody was on it,
Speaker 4: like I was tuned in.
Speaker 3: And yeah, wu I.
Speaker 4: Got about it there early, like Lu said, once you
Speaker 4: see the nigg in the basement.
Speaker 2: Man, and you got to like, come on, brother, do
Speaker 2: us like this? And nigga just locked in the basement.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then we get introduced to Sister Sage,
Speaker 1: who is this universe is mister Terrific, who was a
Speaker 1: really super smart.
Speaker 3: Black guy in the DC universe.
Speaker 1: I think eventually they replaced him with another white guy
Speaker 1: supposed to be smarter than him, but nevertheless, he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the.
Speaker 3: Guy, but he's recruiting her to join the seven.
Speaker 1: And in this particular episode, uh, you know, they introduced
Speaker 1: us to the whole Hughey's dad storyline story arc that
Speaker 1: stayed for damn. Then the whole season they brought back
Speaker 1: Hugh's mom. But pretty much the thing that kind of
Speaker 1: kicked things off was when the three supporters beat up
Speaker 1: they had this ride and they blamed the Starlighters.
Speaker 3: So so that was it.
Speaker 1: Any any key takeaways from episode one from y'all remember.
Speaker 3: How much can y'all do? Y'all remember from the episode?
Speaker 4: I remember the plot points everything, Like I know that
Speaker 4: when one of the three people that they decided to
Speaker 4: kill was mother Milk's uh his ex wife's lover, because
Speaker 4: remember in the end of season three, Uh, he was
Speaker 4: a part of that rally that when Homelander Laser being
Speaker 4: that guy to death. He was actually there and he
Speaker 4: was supporting Homelander on that. That's how he became a
Speaker 4: Homelander supporter and got talked into going into that meeting
Speaker 4: and stuff. That's just your say set up. So I
Speaker 4: knew that was important and that tied back to the boys.
Speaker 4: But I also found it interesting of like the Homelander
Speaker 4: versus Starlighters, that that how much politically involved and kind
Speaker 4: of like reflective it was about the times we're going
Speaker 4: to now. I felt like that was interesting for them
Speaker 4: to go through this season, And I don't know how
Speaker 4: I feel about it as far as like if they
Speaker 4: did it well, but it made the storyline a little
Speaker 4: bit more interesting as we progress through the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess because let's let's it was it
Speaker 1: was something you pointed out, So let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 3: This Hughey's that arc. So what kind of see we
Speaker 3: get out the way?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit some of the major plot points of the
Speaker 1: whole season, which is probably a little bit easier to discuss.
Speaker 1: I think I'm kind of with you, Nick. I don't
Speaker 1: think I really enjoyed that whole thing. I didn't really
Speaker 1: understand the point of them doing that, basically killing his
Speaker 1: dad off. They killed him, then they brought him back
Speaker 1: with with this v thing. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was to get Hue to finally forgive a train for
Speaker 1: what he did. I don't understand why they did this,
Speaker 1: but I did. I was not a fan of this
Speaker 1: story art at all or this, this this thing.
Speaker 3: It just felt like a waste of time for me.
Speaker 4: Damn, I say, like, you don't. Yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 4: I thought it was cool. I thought I thought I
Speaker 4: always liked his dad. I thought his dad was a
Speaker 4: really really interesting part of the show, and I never
Speaker 4: really thought that they did enough with him, but his
Speaker 4: dad trying to get a hold of Hue and then
Speaker 4: you know, having whatever it was, a heart attack or
Speaker 4: stroke after that, and then Hughie having to feel the
Speaker 4: guilt and then bringing his mom back and having to
Speaker 4: go over that. I liked it. I liked it. I
Speaker 4: don't think it. I don't think it overstated to welcome.
Speaker 4: They did just enough in the name, you know, got
Speaker 4: rid of it. So I dug.
Speaker 1: It, Spike, do you think they bailed the mom out?
Speaker 3: And I noticed a little real thing.
Speaker 1: It might go sound fucked up, but I gotta ask,
Speaker 1: do you think they bailed the mom out?
Speaker 3: Saying that she had depression?
Speaker 1: And I guess it was out of thoughts and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and while she was a shitty mom and
Speaker 1: just instead of her just being a fucking shitty.
Speaker 5: Mom, Yes, they did build her out. What did she
Speaker 5: do with I forgot what that led to. Why did
Speaker 5: they even I know, hughe didn't like her, it was
Speaker 5: supposed to.
Speaker 4: You didn't like because she had she had the power
Speaker 4: of I think attorney over her.
Speaker 2: Okay, he was I remember he was upset about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they definitely bailed her out on being just a
Speaker 5: shitty person in general and blaming all of that on
Speaker 5: just oh I was depressed, Like yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 5: a real thing. I'm not not people depressed, but like,
Speaker 5: come on, bro, come on.
Speaker 4: I think I think I think it was easy to
Speaker 4: kind of go with her on that because you really,
Speaker 4: to Mike's point, they did a really good job building
Speaker 4: up his dad, so you felt like, I think Hughie
Speaker 4: wasn't a good enough it would have been horrible. Was
Speaker 4: a shitty mom and a shitty dad. Then you'd be like,
Speaker 4: all right, yeah you could. You probably probably could have
Speaker 4: done something. But the fact that Hugh's dad was not
Speaker 4: only so good at raising him, but also kind enough
Speaker 4: to even allow his wife to have that privilege over
Speaker 4: his son, like you would think that he would have
Speaker 4: changed things up after all that happened, and then you
Speaker 4: could see that play out when he was starting to
Speaker 4: remember stuff. He went back to those feelings he had
Speaker 4: when he first found out, like he was really upset
Speaker 4: with her to the point he was like crazy enough
Speaker 4: to kill her, almost kill her. But it does show that,
Speaker 4: like he had to get over that hurt and he
Speaker 4: got to that place, and then it.
Speaker 2: Does merit to Hughie.
Speaker 4: I thought Hughie got over his girlfriend dying by a
Speaker 4: trant a while ago. I didn't know he was still
Speaker 4: dealing with all that and it kind of just played
Speaker 4: out to this season, so I hope not to hear
Speaker 4: it about it again. But it was a good point
Speaker 4: to kind of close up those loose ends about hugh.
Speaker 3: I felt like that they went with that angle.
Speaker 1: In order to get them to make up so she
Speaker 1: can be uh central parental figure moving forward with howing
Speaker 1: many episodes.
Speaker 3: They have left. If she was just shitty, they couldn't
Speaker 3: actually come together, and you know, because he was like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, I'm sorry about that. I ain't no damn,
Speaker 3: maybe I feel fucked up or having hatred towards you.
Speaker 3: Now they can basically make up because she wasn't shit,
Speaker 3: but and.
Speaker 4: She works at Vart still, so she could be used
Speaker 4: in some type of plot line down the line too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you guys give you give your parents a
Speaker 1: power v if you had a chance to save them?
Speaker 2: Why not not that?
Speaker 5: If I see what's happening in the Butcher and all
Speaker 5: of that, Yeah, I don't know. I gotta be something.
Speaker 5: You know, something gonna bad, gonna happen. So nah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: You don't know anything bad it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Who took it? And nothing bad happened to him?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What person is that that I missed it?
Speaker 4: I am trying to think who I got to do
Speaker 4: my research?
Speaker 3: Spot wasn't preparing for you to ask that question.
Speaker 4: Maybe starlight maybe starts on them. But I mean she
Speaker 4: was a baby when she was young.
Speaker 5: All the soups start taking when they was young at
Speaker 5: this stage, I'm not getting it to my dad because
Speaker 5: he was saying what it did to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kill him.
Speaker 1: I will say Mike that when they basically put his
Speaker 1: dad down, that was sad though.
Speaker 4: It was sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 4: His dad was was fucking people up. That whole fucking
Speaker 4: sequence was hilarious. Hilarious to me. He was like waking
Speaker 4: up in the middle of people destroying him. I loved it.
Speaker 4: Because he was just about the scheme on that nurse too.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's talk about a train. Mm hmm uh
Speaker 1: a redemptionious story. I didn't know we would get. Why
Speaker 1: the hell did they try to redeem a train?
Speaker 4: Because he's the start of this whole thing. Hue wouldn't
Speaker 4: be a part of the boys if a tran hadn't
Speaker 4: a I'm trying to think of a phrase other than
Speaker 4: ran through because I can already he had never killed
Speaker 4: his girlfriend. Hue would never be part of this, So
Speaker 4: I see why they picked a train, and a train
Speaker 4: has kind of been I mean, look, he's been kind
Speaker 4: of disrespected this whole time, him and the deep but
Speaker 4: deepest just a punk about it?
Speaker 2: True? M hm.
Speaker 3: Did y'all like this whole thing with?
Speaker 4: Though? I like his brother cussing him out every chance
Speaker 4: he gets. There's only so much up with the fucking
Speaker 4: chair talking to me like that. He means for me
Speaker 4: push his hair over. He was gonna say that down.
Speaker 4: Hell to be fucking talking to me like that. And
Speaker 4: you in that chair, I'm gonna pass a lot, br
Speaker 4: I promise you you will be fifty miles an hour
Speaker 4: in that chair. Keep talking to me like I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't mind a Train's redemption because I feel like
Speaker 4: they didn't. Really, they haven't really been doing much with
Speaker 4: his character up until this season. This is probably the
Speaker 4: most Shane he's really gotten. And the thing is, it's
Speaker 4: not like his I'm not sure if it's just the
Speaker 4: acting of it or if it's the storylines that they
Speaker 4: write for him, but he hasn't been compelling until now
Speaker 4: to where like he's actually going against the system yep,
Speaker 4: and he's actually uh, he wants to be a super
Speaker 4: like he talked about that time when he saved mother's milk.
Speaker 4: He was like, the first time I felt good about
Speaker 4: anything I've ever done. And and he knows how they're
Speaker 4: using him. He gets talked down to racially all the
Speaker 4: time by.
Speaker 3: Who was the one bro at that party, Bro.
Speaker 4: Tonight, Yeah, talked about like it was just like, bro, like,
Speaker 4: how how can you how can you feel good about
Speaker 4: yourself at all?
Speaker 2: In this industry? At that job?
Speaker 3: Knight said, he said we would, He said we would
Speaker 3: catch you. He said, I feel like you would run away,
Speaker 3: he said, but we will catch them eventually.
Speaker 1: That ship was so fucked up, bro, How you tell
Speaker 1: this dude? Day and all he could do. Nick would
Speaker 1: sit there and say, I guess we'll never know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what money that ship was foul? Bro mm hmm hmmm.
Speaker 1: But what about you, Spike, I mean, how did you
Speaker 1: feel about a train's story arc? I think it was
Speaker 1: needed because they underutilizing being he was the first suit
Speaker 1: that we kind of met when he ran through, h
Speaker 1: ran through your man's girlfriend, so breaking him back around.
Speaker 1: I think he battled with it too much though you
Speaker 1: would be a good guy bad guy, and I gave
Speaker 1: I get the background. They did a good job of
Speaker 1: knowing why it was a battle for him, but should
Speaker 1: it get off the pot.
Speaker 5: Either you're gonna do this or you're gonna do that.
Speaker 5: So I feel like they took too long with that.
Speaker 1: You guys really think Hughie forgave him.
Speaker 4: I think he had to. Yeah yeah, m hmmm, because
Speaker 4: he went to go steal V from Homeland his crib
Speaker 4: to go give it to him to save his dad.
Speaker 4: That's what That's why I'm glad he said it too.
Speaker 4: He was like, bro, this is even we squared out
Speaker 4: like laser being down right now. And he also helped
Speaker 4: him out at the ice skating spot where he did it.
Speaker 4: Reminded me, Mike, if you remember Spider Man, uh with
Speaker 4: the first one with William William Foe when with the
Speaker 4: blood splatter on the grid and he heard it. It
Speaker 4: was the same thing with Homelander put together. Yeah, where
Speaker 4: he was sweat. Yeah, that's like and he saved him
Speaker 4: there because he was going I thought he was gonna die.
Speaker 4: I don't know how he was gonna get out of
Speaker 4: that situation, but yeah, he he. I guess as much
Speaker 4: as you can make amends for that, like they're square down.
Speaker 3: H Yeah, yeah, I supposed.
Speaker 1: I mean a Trent did a lot of fucked up
Speaker 1: ship in this episode. He reluctantly had to kill the
Speaker 1: three people in the first episode, and I think that's
Speaker 1: maybe when he was like, this is going too far.
Speaker 1: I was wondering and we got the answer at the end.
Speaker 1: If sister Sage which is a crazy name to call
Speaker 1: her sister, uh knew he was the lead and it
Speaker 1: almost seemed like they were looking at each others like
Speaker 1: they were talking, you know, and the cold that black
Speaker 1: people talk.
Speaker 3: But she never snitched on him, but she kind of
Speaker 3: what who.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, She kind of addressed it at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 4: She was like or her when when Homelander fired her,
Speaker 4: she was like, I knew he was the league. I
Speaker 4: just I was just using information to send to their camp,
Speaker 4: which y'all fucked up now yep. So like she because
Speaker 4: she kept on going up to him, she she dropped
Speaker 4: him and he knew they was dropping Like yeah, and
Speaker 4: she was. But she's obviously as the smart person that
Speaker 4: she is, like she played it. She used it to
Speaker 4: her advantage up until it wasn't. But I wanted to
Speaker 4: ask him, is her outfit made out of Gucci? Because
Speaker 4: I swear somebody, so that's that's how it was. I
Speaker 4: thought her outphare was made out of Gucci because like
Speaker 4: if I swear when I was trying to look at
Speaker 4: her her costumes, and I think that's why she also
Speaker 4: she hated it. I was like, did they try to
Speaker 4: be too on the nose with the other that's fallous?
Speaker 3: Funt know, do look like that? But what dody'all think
Speaker 3: about Sister Stage this season?
Speaker 2: That was a good character. I liked her. I liked
Speaker 2: her a lot.
Speaker 5: I liked the whole I know Nick said that her
Speaker 5: powers were using this, but I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 5: her being smart was good and when Nick and I
Speaker 5: were reviewing it, like that's what he said to it.
Speaker 5: But I think she did a good job of having
Speaker 5: like not a oh I got you power as far
Speaker 5: as it being her brain to how she used it,
Speaker 5: like we've seen in the end, how it came through.
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy that she can burrow out her
Speaker 1: brain and that shit grow back mm hmm.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But overall I did like her. I was really trying
Speaker 1: to understand her reason for being on that side, because
Speaker 1: at times it made it seem like that she was
Speaker 1: against the system that she was working for mm hmm,
Speaker 1: and that it was a complicated position for her to
Speaker 1: be in because there was the black and then there
Speaker 1: was the woman part of it. When she was talking
Speaker 1: to I think it was Newman and I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It was at the.
Speaker 1: Party, and she was like she was understanding what she
Speaker 1: was doing and why she was doing it, but there
Speaker 1: was like this bigger goal in mind, and that she
Speaker 1: almost felt like she had to be on this side
Speaker 1: in order the temple down knock down the system.
Speaker 3: So I and is that did I only pick that
Speaker 3: up or did anybody get any type of vibes of
Speaker 3: that at all?
Speaker 5: I wonder why she was with them, like you said,
Speaker 5: but I didn't continue to think about it. I just
Speaker 5: took her as a bad guy. But I did wonder
Speaker 5: why she was on this side. Well, for me, I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about it for multiple reasons.
Speaker 4: But this is what I land on is that when
Speaker 4: she did talk to Newman about her childhood and her
Speaker 4: little backstory and how no, it seemed like it was
Speaker 4: just a story about like how no one's listening to
Speaker 4: a black woman, right, even if she had all the
Speaker 4: answers and all that stuff, No matter what, they're not
Speaker 4: going to listen to me. And it felt like when
Speaker 4: homeland Er went to go recruit her originally that gave
Speaker 4: her a purpose of like I could do something that
Speaker 4: you'll finally be You'll finally have to value me somehow,
Speaker 4: some way. Yep, because I'm because if I'm doing this
Speaker 4: and I'm orchestrating all this, then I'll give my validation
Speaker 4: that I that I've secretly been seeking but I never got.
Speaker 4: And I think we just and then throughout the season
Speaker 4: we see how she copes with all that, like when
Speaker 4: she does, you know, lobotomize herself, or how she does.
Speaker 4: I feel like there were some honest things that she
Speaker 4: was saying to the deep when they were interacting, like this.
Speaker 2: Is just how I cope.
Speaker 4: This is how I've been living, And it's hard to
Speaker 4: be the smartest person in the world and no one
Speaker 4: give you credit for I for one and too you
Speaker 4: never really can utilize it to your advantage because again,
Speaker 4: no one's gonna listen to you. So it was just
Speaker 4: like I felt like she and I think there's a
Speaker 4: lot of characters you can say that about this, but
Speaker 4: like they all kind of went against what they originally
Speaker 4: wanted to do in the system, Like Newman was a
Speaker 4: part of something that she didn't want to be, and
Speaker 4: then you see how that affected her in the end.
Speaker 4: Butcher is now more so like the guys he's fighting
Speaker 4: then hit the guys. The boys now people you talk
Speaker 4: about you used to like when in the beginning of
Speaker 4: the series, like I used to hate blood.
Speaker 2: I used to be, you know, be scared of it.
Speaker 2: Now I'm used to it. Like it's like a lot of.
Speaker 4: People have changed to decide they never thought that. I
Speaker 4: think that she's a reflection of all that for everybody
Speaker 4: this season. Yeah, I thought this was just like she
Speaker 4: got her first real taste of power. So that was
Speaker 4: kind of why she stayed with the bad guys. I mean,
Speaker 4: what was she doing before that? Did they even really
Speaker 4: say she.
Speaker 2: Was in a house full of books?
Speaker 4: Like that's what I mean? So I think this was
Speaker 4: giving her power. So I liked her character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, but they used her up and still
Speaker 3: fire her ass and she still ran ass right back?
Speaker 4: Is that happened in real life?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: But she planned for it though.
Speaker 4: I mean, she's she's too smart to think that everything's
Speaker 4: gonna go her way. She was like, I knew he
Speaker 4: was gonna suck it up because you're gonna be you
Speaker 4: and we still got here.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay, okay, let's come to the boys. Did
Speaker 1: you guys like Frenchie and Comico's arc at all him
Speaker 1: with this coling thing and killing family.
Speaker 4: Not French I like Comicos. I didn't care about Frenchies
Speaker 4: because it was like it was like, this is the
Speaker 4: fourth season, bro, you you you.
Speaker 2: Just that upset?
Speaker 4: You killed all these people like we could have we
Speaker 4: could have handled that back in season two anything like
Speaker 4: to me, and then and then the fact that you
Speaker 4: sleep with the dude that you killed.
Speaker 3: It was like that was a weird part.
Speaker 4: You know what I asked you to do that That's
Speaker 4: that's how you make up.
Speaker 3: For it, just gonna give you pleasure for the Risk family.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's like it was just kind
Speaker 4: of like I didn't realize. Like to me, Camiko made
Speaker 4: more sense because it was like we finally got to
Speaker 4: see more of her backstory and more of why like
Speaker 4: she feels the way she does. But French, I thought
Speaker 4: was like, bro, you I thought you exercised again the
Speaker 4: same thing like with with a train with you, we
Speaker 4: were forgiving. I thought you already got that out. Like
Speaker 4: I thought we didn't pass that. But if if this
Speaker 4: is what we're doing now, And to me, it just
Speaker 4: seemed like they didn't really have much to do with
Speaker 4: Frenchie and Camiko this season.
Speaker 2: With more Frenchie than Camiko. But I mean, I guess.
Speaker 5: I like Comiko's I think it paid off at the
Speaker 5: end when she was finally able to speak with Frenchie's.
Speaker 5: I agree with Nick, it's like that that's the season
Speaker 5: one story, bro, Like you've been fighting for the good
Speaker 5: guys for the last three seasons, Like why are you
Speaker 5: mad now? Like Nick said, I thought, I thought you
Speaker 5: got that out, bro, So for that to still be
Speaker 5: such a major plot line, which it didn't work for me.
Speaker 3: It worked for you, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it worked for me very well. I think it
Speaker 4: explained why Frenchy has been acting the way he's been
Speaker 4: acting for the last three seasons, and it also especially
Speaker 4: explains why he didn't allow himself to go all the
Speaker 4: way there with Camiko, because he was battling something. I
Speaker 4: think them waiting until now to one reveal that he is,
Speaker 4: I guess at the very least bisexual and too to
Speaker 4: outline that he was a murderer and he's been holding
Speaker 4: this in for three whole seasons. Like if they if
Speaker 4: they told us this in the first season, wouldn't have
Speaker 4: no impact. It would be like, okay, I barely know
Speaker 4: you who cares. But we've looked at him, we knew
Speaker 4: he was three seasons. Yeah, but we didn't see it,
Speaker 4: and we didn't we didn't really get the whole feeling
Speaker 4: of he's been sitting on it and it's been weighing
Speaker 4: on him. So I liked it, and I especially liked
Speaker 4: the way they tied it with Comicos because yeah, I
Speaker 4: like her arc, but I was confused about was their
Speaker 4: sexual tension? Do they like each other like that? Then
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well maybe they're just friends. That's fine,
Speaker 4: but it didn't make sense. So when they finally got there,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there we go. I get it. See,
Speaker 4: to me, I was hoping that they would have tackled
Speaker 4: this when I think she's Russian when his former the
Speaker 4: woman he used to work with that I guess she
Speaker 4: was the one that sent him on all those Assassin missions. Like,
Speaker 4: well she came back. I thought they were gonna address
Speaker 4: it then, because I always felt like French and Camico
Speaker 4: had some type of chemistry or even was gonna lead
Speaker 4: to something because they are always they always connected with
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't surprised by that.
Speaker 4: I just thought that they were taking us on a
Speaker 4: roundabout way of them getting back to where I thought
Speaker 4: we were always gonna get by bringing up this dude,
Speaker 4: bringing up his past and how this killing was, you know,
Speaker 4: really stood out to him.
Speaker 2: And then I did love the scene where Camiko.
Speaker 4: Was like waiting for him at the you know, the
Speaker 4: correctional facility and stuff to go see him, and he
Speaker 4: never wanted to see anybody. Those were good scenes, but
Speaker 4: to me, it was just like, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: just felt like, I don't know, I just felt like
Speaker 4: we could have addressed this at that time when the
Speaker 4: Russian lady first came back, when it first reminded him
Speaker 4: about all the stuff he used to do.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought we were going to deal with that.
Speaker 4: Then what season was that?
Speaker 2: I want to say there was probably season two.
Speaker 4: Exactly, bro Like, if they did this in season two,
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have had an impact.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think it had an impact though.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I think y'all might be on
Speaker 4: an island. I like, I liked, I like what they
Speaker 4: did with Frenchie. At least I hope y'all are on
Speaker 4: an island, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen what people are saying, but it almost
Speaker 1: seemed like they wanted to use that story to get
Speaker 1: him to Comico at the end, and the only way
Speaker 1: he could probably be with her is if he resolved
Speaker 1: the issues that he had with his past and make
Speaker 1: amends for that when he actually revealed him revealed that he.
Speaker 4: Killed because how could because how could she forgive herself
Speaker 4: if he couldn't forgive himself, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: I get why it makes sense for both of them
Speaker 4: and tied together. Just me with I'm just more so
Speaker 4: focused on French. I'm like, bro, we could have I
Speaker 4: would I would have wanted to see that earlier than now,
Speaker 4: because I feel like we only we only got one
Speaker 4: season less, so it's like we only got so much
Speaker 4: storyline to really address, Like I thought we were kind
Speaker 4: of get to the nitty gritty, like before it all concludes. Well,
Speaker 4: I think we've gotten everybody's arc at this point. The
Speaker 4: only person that I feel like has a kind of
Speaker 4: a whack arc is Mother's Milk, and I don't even
Speaker 4: care about him at this point. But I think we've
Speaker 4: gotten Frenchie's arc, now, we've gotten Hughey's arc, We've gotten
Speaker 4: Butcher's arc, and I think that they played it well.
Speaker 4: They they they broke down these arcs over the course
Speaker 4: of four seasons. If they rush everything, then what would
Speaker 4: they even be doing now, Like Frenchie and Kamiko would
Speaker 4: already be together. Whooped the fucking dude. You know. It's like,
Speaker 4: let's let's I think that they did a really good
Speaker 4: job of playing this out fairly slowly and I go ahead.
Speaker 3: Ken No no you finished?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm done. I'm just rambling that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like Mother's mill roll this whole season
Speaker 1: was just to wear hip hop shirts.
Speaker 4: So fucking boring, y'all being too hard on brothers.
Speaker 2: And trying to throw his family in that to make
Speaker 2: it more interesting.
Speaker 4: But did anybody care?
Speaker 3: No, because he didn't go, he still brought his ass back.
Speaker 4: Would y'all? Would y'all say he is the who's the
Speaker 4: heart and soul of the team? Like that him you
Speaker 4: think you is? Yes, you think Mother's middle kids. I
Speaker 4: think the way they look at him, they've they've like
Speaker 4: you may you may disagree with the points like they
Speaker 4: they look at him for guidance a lot, especially like
Speaker 4: he's the only one that could talk to Butcher on
Speaker 4: a like on a on a real level where Butcher
Speaker 4: got to be honest. But a lot of everybody but
Speaker 4: Mother's milk for the most part, Mother Smoke got a
Speaker 4: relationship with Starlight, with Hue, with with Frinds Shee and
Speaker 4: like he's the one that kind of it seems like
Speaker 4: he's doing that's.
Speaker 5: Why Butcher's first, like the moral compass yeah, Butcher's Huey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all, y'all keep going back and forth.
Speaker 5: Took Uey took the compound B, which took him out
Speaker 5: of there. I'm saying, I'm saying I think he's the
Speaker 5: moral compass. I don't know necessarily as the leader, but
Speaker 5: I think what removed Huey from that was him taking
Speaker 5: the Compound V and showing that he does have interests
Speaker 5: that are more influenced by him individually than the team man.
Speaker 1: Mother's Mill spent most of the at least half of
Speaker 1: the season, reminded people that he was the CEO and
Speaker 1: they need to follow.
Speaker 3: His orders or leave. Thank you. They didn't follow him willingly.
Speaker 4: No, And if he was the hard and soul, he
Speaker 4: would have tried to help Butcher instead of just being like, okay,
Speaker 4: you lied. He was trying to help Butcher. He killed,
Speaker 4: tried to help. He brought it back, and he gave
Speaker 4: up on him. He's like, y'all, just get the funk out.
Speaker 4: You lie too much. By yep, that's tough love, you know,
Speaker 4: That's not That's not hard and soul at all.
Speaker 3: And he only brought him back when he had that
Speaker 3: panic attack and passed out. Exactly, that's what you like
Speaker 3: that job?
Speaker 4: Hey, he hit the he was he gave us a
Speaker 4: biding before. Bidy was the worst character in the in
Speaker 4: the Boys. I don't like him at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he didn't have a big role this year.
Speaker 4: He's corny. It's just like like Ken said, his only
Speaker 4: role is to show I like hip hop. It's like, bro,
Speaker 4: come on, really, that's what y'all doing. This motherfucker got
Speaker 4: a different rapture every single episode. It's so corny. If
Speaker 4: this was out in the fucking eighties, I would understand
Speaker 4: because he's like he's like fucking Junkyard dog or fucking
Speaker 4: what's the G I Joe guy that used to talking
Speaker 4: no no, no no in G I Joe?
Speaker 3: Wasn't I think so?
Speaker 4: I think so he's like him. It's like, bro, we're
Speaker 4: past this, Like, you don't have to be the on
Speaker 4: the rap guy. I wear wrap shirts every episode looking
Speaker 4: I like rap. Shut up here, it's stupid. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to shoot man, but I can't. His biggest his biggest
Speaker 4: art was get his wife to forget a white man.
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
Speaker 1: He ain't really he didn't really do ship. I kind
Speaker 1: of started to feel that way about Butcher. He spent
Speaker 1: this whole damn season talking to ghosts. You know, did
Speaker 1: y'all see that coming? Like that Kessler was fake LUSA LUSA.
Speaker 2: During our week to week Lou brought it up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely, because no one was acknowledging him, Like,
Speaker 5: no one else was talking to the dude, and he
Speaker 5: would only pop up in certain times when, like Butcher.
Speaker 2: It was one scene where the dude kind of looked
Speaker 2: at him, like when.
Speaker 5: He cut the dow leg off and Butcher was, yeah,
Speaker 5: when and Butcher was talking to dude and uh, the
Speaker 5: imaginary dude and the other guy was looking at him like, man,
Speaker 5: who the fuck are you talking to?
Speaker 1: Hm?
Speaker 2: So that's when I put you into that. I think
Speaker 2: that was episode three.
Speaker 4: That was the episode that he had revealed niggas it
Speaker 4: was episode.
Speaker 1: Before that before but he was like because it was like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't also.
Speaker 4: Ahead of the fact I wouldn't, Flowers bro No, I
Speaker 4: was no, because he give him this because he did
Speaker 4: call it earlier. That wasn't the one he mentioned. He
Speaker 4: mentioned another scene where and I think it was like
Speaker 4: he was like the first time they met. It was
Speaker 4: in that little uh uh like lunch, like like a
Speaker 4: little in the crifeteria, but it was only them too,
Speaker 4: and the lou was like, keep looking at how like
Speaker 4: how many times you see them just by themselves? And
Speaker 4: then like you think about it when before he went
Speaker 4: to go link up a Ryan, he was gonna give them.
Speaker 2: Cookies to to.
Speaker 4: That was a little.
Speaker 3: Coffee ship cos me crazy.
Speaker 4: You know what. I never picked up on it because
Speaker 4: that's a super lazy trope and I don't expect the
Speaker 4: boys to go lazy. I didn't think that either. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: I was kind of.
Speaker 4: I was interested before a half second and I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: I wish he was actually real instead of him being
Speaker 4: another fakement like he's the soda angel uh to Butcher's.
Speaker 2: Ex wife, who's his dead ex wife?
Speaker 4: Like it's kind of and then when you feel like
Speaker 4: you heard his real backstory, he's like, Nigga, I died
Speaker 4: a long time ago.
Speaker 2: You left me.
Speaker 4: I was like, why are you thinking about him like that?
Speaker 4: I didn't love this, And plus I didn't as much
Speaker 4: as I like Jeffrey Dean Morgan, I didn't like the
Speaker 4: fact that they just had him playing Meagan. They had
Speaker 4: him playing Meagan in the show and then they fucking
Speaker 4: fight clubbed us, and it's like, dude, y'all are so
Speaker 4: far what you've shown is better writing than this, and
Speaker 4: this was really cheap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't see it. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I thought he was real too until he cussed out
Speaker 1: the other ghosts, So I didn't see this coming either.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. Butcher's wrong. Was he spent
Speaker 3: a lot of this season.
Speaker 1: Moping and whining and trying to decide he was going
Speaker 1: to be good or not.
Speaker 4: He had he had, he was, He's dying, like, think
Speaker 4: about everything that's happened to him. I think since his
Speaker 4: wife disappeared till now, like he went through a lot
Speaker 4: of ship. He thought she was dead. Then he found
Speaker 4: out not only is she alive, but she got the
Speaker 4: love child or however however they she got that child
Speaker 4: with homemade child child with homelanders. And then and then
Speaker 4: he as soon as he found her, he basically lost her.
Speaker 4: And then her last which was like, all right, raised
Speaker 4: this kid that you know was out of out of rape,
Speaker 4: and it's just like and then on top of that,
Speaker 4: you got to kill all the soups and then now
Speaker 4: the kid is is the first original born Soup.
Speaker 2: I think that's what we.
Speaker 4: Found out, Like I guess so that that affects him too.
Speaker 4: So it's like he's been battling through a lot and
Speaker 4: then like so like he's thinking about what is my
Speaker 4: last wishes gonna be? Like what is my last memory
Speaker 4: going to be? Like what is my last deed it's
Speaker 4: gonna be? Is it gonna be for the good guys
Speaker 4: or the bad guys? And he's trying to stay good.
Speaker 4: But Butcher's Butcher, you know, like he wants to fuck
Speaker 4: shit up, like that was his original player. I agree.
Speaker 4: I think Butcher's had a really interesting arc and the
Speaker 4: fact that he's now he's now become one of the
Speaker 4: people he hated all because he got wrapped up in Revenge.
Speaker 4: I think his arc has been really, really dope, and
Speaker 4: I'm really interested to see what they do with him
Speaker 4: for the next season. I mean, he's been set out
Speaker 4: this whole time. I just want to kill Soup. I
Speaker 4: want you to kill them. And it got so bad
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna take Compound V to become one of
Speaker 4: them because I want to kill them. And look at
Speaker 4: him now, he's like he murdered what was her name name?
Speaker 3: Victoria.
Speaker 4: Victoria. He killed her and it didn't even need to
Speaker 4: really happen like that. He just didn't because he's butchered.
Speaker 3: Did he kills the daughter too, No?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, she she went to the Yeah, she went
Speaker 4: to the orphanage that her mama grew up in. Now,
Speaker 4: he just he just threw it.
Speaker 2: He threw against the walls.
Speaker 3: He should have killed her too.
Speaker 4: I think Butcher has a limit, even even evil violent
Speaker 4: Butcher has a limit. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's how I read it. He's not gonna just kill
Speaker 4: a kid like that.
Speaker 3: Was I the only one.
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out why Ryan was talking like Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson the old season.
Speaker 3: Bro it was so bad.
Speaker 4: Ryan was probably the most one of the most interesting,
Speaker 4: underrated interesting characters to me because I never knew what
Speaker 4: side he was going on, and we still.
Speaker 5: Know, I guess we know maybe now I mean him
Speaker 5: versus Homelander. But throughout the season, what you don't see.
Speaker 4: How what him versus Homelander, Like for as much as
Speaker 4: home one of them already like, he still go back
Speaker 4: to his daddy.
Speaker 5: I think that he's eventually going to just go against
Speaker 5: the ideal because Homelander want to be in charge of everything,
Speaker 5: and I don't think that he's like gonna ride with that.
Speaker 2: And I think you have a super boy versus superman
Speaker 2: type thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know how they're setting it up. I don't
Speaker 3: know how they're gonna set it up.
Speaker 1: It because I'm with you, I think they they're doing
Speaker 1: a good job of kind of seesawing back and forth,
Speaker 1: because you know, he accidentally killed the stunt man and
Speaker 1: he felt bad about it, and then Homelander was like,
Speaker 1: get over that ship, and since you don't give me
Speaker 1: my fucking milkshake, and then he went to.
Speaker 3: Talk to the Butcher, who had to.
Speaker 1: Change of heart because he was gonna kill him or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of flip flopped. But then Homelander
Speaker 1: kind of started to Homelander said, I don't want to
Speaker 1: force you to do anything, so I'm gonna kind of wait. No,
Speaker 1: he said, he didn't want to manipulate him like he
Speaker 1: was manipulated, But he ended up manipulating because when that
Speaker 1: little pervert he made him slept that perverb. But then
Speaker 1: when he got with Mallory and Butcher towards the end,
Speaker 1: he felt like they were trying to use him, and
Speaker 1: he killed Mallory and he's mad at Butcher.
Speaker 4: Now. I don't know why Mallory didn't read the room
Speaker 4: like this nigga is gonna kill you if you don't
Speaker 4: get I didn't think he was gonna kill her. I
Speaker 4: thought that scene was really really well done. Maybe I'm
Speaker 4: just dumb, but I was watching it like I thought
Speaker 4: he was gonna back down because he thought of her
Speaker 4: like a grandmother, you know. So I thought he was
Speaker 4: gonna back down when he shoved her ass and she
Speaker 4: flew across the earth.
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 4: She's not dead now because like because like because the
Speaker 4: kn's point, he's been manipulated or people have been trying
Speaker 4: to manipulate him all his life and he doesn't really
Speaker 4: have any autonomy. The only one who kind of gave
Speaker 4: that to him was his mama. And you put the
Speaker 4: nigga in a and he he realized, He's like, hold on,
Speaker 4: this is a lid based room. This is this room,
Speaker 4: got stuff five kind of creast deep. I don't want
Speaker 4: to keep me here. Hell now, that they should just
Speaker 4: talk to him, right, It was stupid, yeah, because he
Speaker 4: would have listened if they just had the conversation. He
Speaker 4: was mad that y'all stuck me in a room and
Speaker 4: y'all were going to turn trick that to my will, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like trick me and then and then they and then
Speaker 4: she just dumped all that trauma onto him all that
Speaker 4: once like oh yeah, no, your mama was raped, you
Speaker 4: were a child rape like yep, everything like it was
Speaker 4: just like damn, Like he's still That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like I don't understand for two things, Like one, he's
Speaker 4: still I think under fourteen. Yeah, so like how do
Speaker 4: you how as a fourteen year old in any circumstance
Speaker 4: because they got powers and not can deal with that.
Speaker 4: And two he do got powers, So like how do
Speaker 4: you think a teenager or a preteen is gonna react
Speaker 4: to all that shit?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, your guys are not that smart, Like they
Speaker 4: fuck up constantly.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm yeah. What about Starlight and Firecracker?
Speaker 1: So I remember when you guys would talk about it
Speaker 1: throughout in between shoots or whatever. And I remember, Mike,
Speaker 1: you were saying, like they're the Repubb, the Alright or
Speaker 1: the Right were upset when they found out the show
Speaker 1: was making fun of them. I hadn't made it to
Speaker 1: the part where it was very clear as day until
Speaker 1: Firecrackers showed up on CE.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like it was like they did not hide
Speaker 3: this ship at all. Like I don't even think they
Speaker 3: used the alt right word this, you know, during it.
Speaker 3: So I was like, damn, but what did you guys
Speaker 3: think about? I guess their sort of beef because Butcher
Speaker 3: tried to he tried to blackmail her, and she was like,
Speaker 3: I would give a damn push that shit.
Speaker 1: And she sent the tweet and she went on stage,
Speaker 1: admitted to it, redeemed for the confessed her sins, and
Speaker 1: used God to get away from it, and then told
Speaker 1: all on fucking Starlight and said Starlight had a baby
Speaker 1: or had an abortion and just really just flipped the
Speaker 1: whole thing on the Starlight. It got so mad she
Speaker 1: would have whooped the ass. But what did you guys
Speaker 1: think about, like their underlying kind of.
Speaker 3: Thing that they were going on, or the stories they
Speaker 3: were telling between them two.
Speaker 4: I liked it. I well, sorry, no, I did not
Speaker 4: like it. I did not like their relationship. I liked Firecracker,
Speaker 4: that was her name, right, I liked her her uh,
Speaker 4: I like her being on the show. I did not
Speaker 4: give two fucks about her thing with Starlight. I just
Speaker 4: didn't care, and they didn't give enough, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: to make me give a shit. But I did like
Speaker 4: her being there because she represented something that I thought
Speaker 4: was a little bit missing from the show. I like
Speaker 4: how she became that new kind of female figure uh
Speaker 4: in Homelander's life, but the whole like, oh, you were
Speaker 4: mean to me when we did pageants. I didn't give
Speaker 4: a fuck any of that. I was like, that's it,
Speaker 4: that's really why she's mad. Really, that's stupid. I did
Speaker 4: like the fact that they try to they try to
Speaker 4: show humanity on both sides with firecrackers star like to me,
Speaker 4: because I mean, to Mike's pointed, it was a little corny,
Speaker 4: but it did show that, like I think you talk
Speaker 4: about this a lot on is the mic on like
Speaker 4: poor white trash people, poor white trash people have feelings too,
Speaker 4: and they those and those feelings can come out in
Speaker 4: different ways, you know, And for her you could see that.
Speaker 4: Granted while it still was like some stuff you probably
Speaker 4: should have dealt with in therapy, but like she still
Speaker 4: was hurt about like the stuff that Starlight and probably others,
Speaker 4: and like even you look at the seven they kind
Speaker 4: of treated her like that way too, like she was
Speaker 4: just a stupid.
Speaker 1: Another party when she tried to walk up and be
Speaker 1: part of the end crowd and Sister Sat was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this ain't for you need to be.
Speaker 4: Exactly and so it's like you can see like there
Speaker 4: was there was a sense of humanity with it.
Speaker 2: Even Starlight kind of felt the way too.
Speaker 4: She was like, look, I know I was a piece
Speaker 4: of shit, not bad, but I did like how they
Speaker 4: did Starlight Starlight with somebody who didn't was going through
Speaker 4: an identity crisis. She didn't really know who she was
Speaker 4: outside of the costume because literally all her life she
Speaker 4: wanted to be a superhero.
Speaker 2: Now she's not now.
Speaker 4: Granted, like how they did it with the abortion stuff,
Speaker 4: that was one way of doing it. But I did
Speaker 4: like how she had to face herself and like face
Speaker 4: who she really is.
Speaker 2: Like I thought that was though it.
Speaker 3: Is fire Cracker double double on time.
Speaker 4: She doesn't shoot fire does she would have to be
Speaker 4: in there too? Oh yeah, right her powers. Really she's
Speaker 4: a redhead, so that could be because you know they
Speaker 4: call red heads fire cross that that's what I thought
Speaker 4: they got it from, right.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what he.
Speaker 4: Was, I don't remember she strong?
Speaker 2: Is she strong?
Speaker 3: They turned Ashley into the damn mascot.
Speaker 4: Asked about to be Mega mind this season five?
Speaker 2: Would she worked with or was she worked with the boys.
Speaker 4: She's I think she getting up working with the boys
Speaker 4: because wants to kill her.
Speaker 2: They did, but you know she kissed, they asked, though
Speaker 2: she said no, I can do this now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she right, Mike, you said you liked what
Speaker 3: they did with her.
Speaker 4: I do. I like how they how they have broken
Speaker 4: her down over the seasons.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 4: I'm in Joe. I mean, she she's a fucking she's
Speaker 4: a piece of ship's like getting it. And because I
Speaker 4: love that scene, even though I hate the Deep, but
Speaker 4: that scene where the Deep went off on her, I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, there you go, there you go like
Speaker 4: like like that, I could kill you. Even even the
Speaker 4: dude that she was doing the the anal b stuff with,
Speaker 4: he was like, look, I was only interested because she was.
Speaker 4: He was that top sea.
Speaker 3: He paid for that and he became the league they killed.
Speaker 2: They killed the hell out of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the last person I have is uh Is Homelander,
Speaker 1: who I think I think Anthony Star is still killing.
Speaker 4: He's the only con Like, I don't know how he
Speaker 4: hasn't been nominated for the Award for this for this
Speaker 4: series especial how popular it is. But he's the constant
Speaker 4: like I don't know what the funk he about to dude,
Speaker 4: And I'm on the edge of my seat every time
Speaker 4: you're on the street. Because even when he was, they
Speaker 4: was trying to find the league and Sage was and
Speaker 4: then they were in his office and he just laser
Speaker 4: being the girl. When she said like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: did do this, Sage was like like she was about
Speaker 4: to say something else, was like she's the lead. I
Speaker 4: didn't expect him to kill like I was expecting him
Speaker 4: at least, like I'm still thinking he's following Sage's, you know, lead,
Speaker 4: So like he's just so uncontrollable that everybody's like damn,
Speaker 4: Like no matter how calm and collected he is, he
Speaker 4: could go off and you can't do shit about it.
Speaker 4: I like that about him a lot. I like how
Speaker 4: they're I mean, I think this this is why you know,
Speaker 4: all right and rednecks and that sort of just getting
Speaker 4: pissed off because they're seeing what we see, Like he's
Speaker 4: he isn't controllable, just like the police force. And I
Speaker 4: like that scene when she was like, well I did
Speaker 4: do bop and he killed her and he's like, I
Speaker 4: don't need to hear anything more. Like they show up,
Speaker 4: they see a bunch of black dudes on the corner.
Speaker 4: You know, they weren't doing anything. Well, I mean, are
Speaker 4: you sure when they're black?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Black right? They're on the corner right, you know. So
Speaker 4: I actually really liked that scene. I think it was
Speaker 4: an underrated scene.
Speaker 2: Agree.
Speaker 5: I think Homeland is one of those characters that will
Speaker 5: go down all time history because how the guy's playing
Speaker 5: it's it's so as Nick said, unpredictable.
Speaker 2: And you get these this face acting that he's doing.
Speaker 2: You're like, damn, is he fim too?
Speaker 3: Is it No?
Speaker 2: And then they'll just raised attention.
Speaker 5: Then it will die all way down and then out
Speaker 5: of nowhere he'll kill somebody.
Speaker 2: So I think that he is absolutely body in this row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a superiority complex, you know, and he
Speaker 1: is the most powerful person that we've seen. And I
Speaker 1: guess his son is writing next to him and the
Speaker 1: boys like nobody can touch it. So and he feels
Speaker 1: like he's better than everybody else on top of that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he is he is when I do like
Speaker 1: him a lot, especially when he comes on because I'm
Speaker 1: with you guys, like I just like this facial expressions
Speaker 1: when somebody says something stupid or he doesn't like it.
Speaker 5: Bro he cracker was coughing, Yeah, look of disgust.
Speaker 4: That was so good, So keep doing it. And she
Speaker 4: was so offended because she really thought, like, oh, he
Speaker 4: bucks with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, breast milk was save.
Speaker 2: Breast milk wasn't going save. Oh that was it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I haven't seen him in anything else because I
Speaker 4: keep mean to look him up to see if this
Speaker 4: really like that because he has that that that white
Speaker 4: guy trunk. I don't know if he just looks like
Speaker 4: that all the time or if they did something to
Speaker 4: make him look like this.
Speaker 3: I just I haven't watched it. I just added it
Speaker 3: on Max.
Speaker 2: He wanted to show Threa. Know his hair is cut different,
Speaker 2: like he got a buzz cut in that show.
Speaker 4: But does his face look the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he do the same facial stuff that's not as well,
Speaker 5: not as well. He's worked on it, you can tell.
Speaker 5: But Vancie Season one is really good.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm Okay, I fun with him, man. I think
Speaker 4: I think the next season is really gonna be Butcher
Speaker 4: versus versus him. That's what That's what I think they're
Speaker 4: leading up to. But but they also bring him back.
Speaker 4: I mean they ended the Yeah, maybe I can see
Speaker 4: Social Boy. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's boy as powerful as is supposed he's version he's.
Speaker 4: Especially with the energy blast that he could give off.
Speaker 4: I think that's the only way you could kill Homelander
Speaker 4: mm hmm. But as far as Toe to Toe, they
Speaker 4: probably even they're gonna need him, and they're gonna need
Speaker 4: I think Mave's gonna come back because they're gonna they're
Speaker 4: gonna need her. I think the whole last season is
Speaker 4: really gonna be like this is the war.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be Ryan. I think it's gonna
Speaker 5: be him versus Ryan. Yeah, because Ryan, yet he's supposed
Speaker 5: to be as powerful as Homelander. Though, if I'm not
Speaker 5: going to be happy, I think that's what they're going to.
Speaker 1: It'll probably have to be Ryan and Soldier Boy or
Speaker 1: Ryan becomes.
Speaker 3: The new Homelander. We really, I really don't know, you
Speaker 3: got to mm hmmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: I think that would be a really interesting ending because
Speaker 4: he seems like he's set up to be the next
Speaker 4: Homelander because they don't fucking they don't listen to him,
Speaker 4: they keep over talking to him, they treat him like ship.
Speaker 4: It would make sense if he became the new Homelander.
Speaker 1: And I guess to a certain degree we've seen it
Speaker 1: this this season more than any other season.
Speaker 3: But if we.
Speaker 1: Compare like his his what happened to him this season
Speaker 1: compared to what happened to Homelander, and can hold him
Speaker 1: up to one another, they're sort of similar. Even though
Speaker 1: Homelander was tortured, but he was tortured by people that
Speaker 1: were in roles that could have easily said no and
Speaker 1: walked away, but they didn't. They abandoned him and continue
Speaker 1: to do it because they had a job.
Speaker 3: He made. He made a point like, yeah, they were scared.
Speaker 1: Of him and they but they could have said.
Speaker 3: No and they never did.
Speaker 4: And that's another thing about that again, talking about the
Speaker 4: humanity and these characters, like when you hear about the
Speaker 4: stuff that Homelander went through as a kid, like you
Speaker 4: be like bry surprised the right, like that ship is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, being in the oven and he was like yeah.
Speaker 3: He was like, it's still hurt. It hurt. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: said it hurt a lot. And then when he's.
Speaker 5: Man, I don't know, man, but I like what dude
Speaker 5: told him to, Like, you could have lifted any time.
Speaker 2: The guy told him like, bro.
Speaker 5: You it was terrible what you would endure, but at
Speaker 5: any point in time you wanted to, you could have left.
Speaker 2: You're that powerful.
Speaker 3: But he's still a kid. It's right, like, at what point.
Speaker 2: Was he gonna leave? When he was five, when he
Speaker 2: was ten? Where are you going? Hue?
Speaker 4: They talked about his birth like he laser beamed out.
Speaker 2: Of his mama.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So yes, I don't know, but yeah, I did enjoy
Speaker 1: that episode.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we got to see uh staying stan Egger again.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that episode with the fucking damn compound
Speaker 1: sheep and animals or whatever.
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4: Hilarious. Vampire sheep was fired. Man, that was funny. As
Speaker 4: helling me. I loved it.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, uh huh.
Speaker 4: Only the Boys. I can pull something off like that.
Speaker 4: I think another show and I'm like, all right, this
Speaker 4: is goofy. But the boys they make it to where
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, ship, they got vampire flying sheep.
Speaker 3: This is crazy fit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, it was it was. It
Speaker 1: was definitely over the top. They had a lot of
Speaker 1: over the top stuff the ship with web Weaver. I
Speaker 1: think they went a little that it was funny.
Speaker 2: He kept shipping.
Speaker 4: I didn't care about that. It's funny though, because it
Speaker 4: was like, bro, if you are in a room with
Speaker 4: Homelander and that is your power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, y'all, y'all like this and Dale
Speaker 1: Joe though.
Speaker 6: Work, Oh that was fun episode so okay, but yeah,
Speaker 6: episode eight man just basically sets up anybody know how
Speaker 6: many seasons.
Speaker 4: They're going one more, next one, next season, last season?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so like they're doing twenty six. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: when he said they're gonna come back because they're doing
Speaker 2: this year halfway over us is.
Speaker 4: This, Well, they're going to do another gen or whatever
Speaker 4: it was called gen V. But the dude, the Black
Speaker 4: Dude died of yeah, tragically, but they're doing another season
Speaker 4: gen V and then I think they're doing a spin
Speaker 4: off of like the early foundings of Yeah, but they
Speaker 4: ended the season really well, like this is how you
Speaker 4: end the season well, because I was legit like, oh ship,
Speaker 4: the Conico ship. I was like, wow, flying off, I
Speaker 4: was like, this is fucking a perfect ending, and.
Speaker 2: I love to think answer questions and still had cliffhangers.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, like for Newman like in the beginning the
Speaker 4: three things like you're to your point, Like in the
Speaker 4: beginning season you want them to kill Newman, and then
Speaker 4: by the time they do it at the end of
Speaker 4: the season, he's like, oh, I didn't want that, don't
Speaker 4: want Yeah, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, homelanders basically in control.
Speaker 1: He's running everything because the President's get up there giving
Speaker 1: the speech.
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, that's enough, yep.
Speaker 1: And then he gets up there and started talking for everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, after he outed Newman, which Newman.
Speaker 3: Had to run and then she ended up dying any
Speaker 3: damn way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, like everybody's captured, which I was surprised
Speaker 1: they captured them and didn't kill them.
Speaker 3: I thought it was weird. But I don't know why
Speaker 3: they just wouldn't kill them.
Speaker 4: That's been kind of a thing this whole show, is
Speaker 4: like why didn't they just fucking kill him and get
Speaker 4: it over with? But it did make sense. But I
Speaker 4: don't remember what the reasoning was, but when I was
Speaker 4: watching it, I was like, oh, okay, but I don't
Speaker 4: remember what it was. Now with Newman, it was like
Speaker 4: they could release her identity and her being the superpower.
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like she didn't kill.
Speaker 4: Them, right, But there's a reason why, like Homelander in
Speaker 4: them didn't kill them. But I don't remember what it
Speaker 4: was that I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I think Sage said something about it. I think she
Speaker 4: mentioned like, you got to kind of keep them alive
Speaker 4: for some reason. Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Fuck, but yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I thought Season A was a good close to set up.
Speaker 1: Now that I know it's the fifth and final season
Speaker 1: that that makes it even better because yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna ride off into the sunset and get
Speaker 1: away and reconvene later and come back and figure out
Speaker 1: how to beat them.
Speaker 3: Nah Man, that shit did not happen at all, So they.
Speaker 2: Actually kind of they're kind of worse off than they
Speaker 2: were less.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're prisoners, and who's gonna get them out
Speaker 1: Butcher exactly.
Speaker 4: That's the thing. Butcher's gonna have to do it because
Speaker 4: it's gonna be Butcher and Starlighter, Starlight whatever. They don't
Speaker 4: like each other. Yeah, well she had no choice because
Speaker 4: that little that fucking fake ass eleven was gonna kill her.
Speaker 4: And he was told her to go.
Speaker 3: Now hold on, bro, like you got powers, I don't
Speaker 3: have Powell. You're gonna leave me here with like you
Speaker 3: don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 4: That other girl was gonna suck her up. Yeah, she
Speaker 4: was nothing up like I'm about to I'm about to
Speaker 4: fucking fuck you up. And Hugh was like, nah, you
Speaker 4: need to go because she's about to kill your ass.
Speaker 4: And if I was here, I'd be upset and start like,
Speaker 4: all right, nigga, this is when your parents come back.
Speaker 4: You go scandato, now what.
Speaker 3: I need you?
Speaker 4: I I like the ending. I was like, wow, I
Speaker 4: really can't wait for another season. I didn't feel like
Speaker 4: that was season three. I was like, Okay, it's cool
Speaker 4: this season. I was like, oh I need season season
Speaker 4: five now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well any other thoughts.
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it me okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Uh wells Spike, that's crazy six.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well we'll leave it there, man, let us know your
Speaker 1: thoughts and we'll cat you guys.
Speaker 3: It signed we off Peace Peace mhm