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Speaker 1: the IU Indie basketball offense. Because I knew when they

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Speaker 2: And you were there, correct, correct, So a my ears

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Speaker 2: at you. IU Indy attempted forty five to threes in

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Speaker 2: And now we'll see if that will translate against Division

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Speaker 2: one competition when the Jaggaras turned to it against Eastern

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, that was the thing I was going to

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Speaker 2: I absolutely do, you know. I think as time goes on,

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Speaker 1: Greg. Greg Straw is my guest Java House Peel and

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought it was real about a month

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Speaker 3: Of the way.

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Speaker 2: You know, You've got four out of six division games

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Speaker 1: Jake, do you have concern greg Or, Well, let me

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Speaker 2: No, that that's fair, and that is on my radar

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Speaker 2: You know, for the first eight weeks of the season,

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Speaker 1: Thought Sauce Gardener in the game against Atlanta late Greg,

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Speaker 2: And I had zero problem with that because again, if

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Speaker 1: Boy? That's good? Let me ask you this. You are

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Speaker 2: If we had this conversation last Wednesday or Thursday, you

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Speaker 1: You're on your way to You said where there's rumor

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Speaker 2: Well, I correct, I frankly gave away where I was going.

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Speaker 1: Correct. I think that's correct, And that was a wildly

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Speaker 3: What.

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Speaker 2: How is that possible? It's on like every other table

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Speaker 1: Yes, how about that? Yes, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Is great movie, no question. All right, Greg, I appreciate

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Speaker 2: You got a buddy safe traveling.

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Speaker 1: Right, Thank you, Greg, Reigstraw joining us on the Java

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Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line. Oh, I had the

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Speaker 1: Can you turn that back up again for real quick?

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Speaker 1: And we we're using the Courts quarterback Colts quarterback analogy.

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Speaker 1: doing so. From the Indie Star. Joel, how was the

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Speaker 4: I didn't make it to the Techno Club, but we

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Speaker 4: you need to be on the listen out for Scooter

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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing, Joel. You want to know the

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Speaker 1: deal in Berlin, but when I become the mayor of Indianapolis,

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Speaker 5: Right, that's fair. I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: And then those those pedal bar folks, not the folks themselves,

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Speaker 1: just telling you, it's good to know. What was your

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Speaker 1: impression overall. We'll begin with Sauce Gardner. Your thoughts overall

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Speaker 4: I kind of want them to simplify more like I

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Speaker 4: would they do that? I know lou An Rumo to

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Speaker 5: Him, including including.

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Speaker 5: I was like, that's why they got him right there.

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Speaker 1: You know, Scooter is one of the Muppets. Did you

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah Scooter.

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Speaker 1: Do you know which one Scooter is? I think Scooter

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Speaker 5: That he's with the glasses and the hair, well.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have hair. Yes, Uh, he's the stage hand.

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Speaker 1: Scooters the guy that he's kind of the brains of

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Speaker 4: The behind the scenes guy's hutting everything up.

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Speaker 4: It might be it might be Tanner Borderini. They had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Bordelini to me, the follow me here, Joel, Okay,

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Speaker 1: But if you're not able to retain him, Bordolini does

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Speaker 4: No, I think that's I think that's definitely fair. I

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Speaker 4: almost certainly not replacing the right tackle. I think they're

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Speaker 4: But if he doesn't, I do think you're set up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again they very very possible that the replacements

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Speaker 4: is this is the Daniel Jones that we're not supposed

436
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Speaker 4: to be seeing.

437
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Speaker 5: You know, it's there. It can still be an effective

438
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Speaker 5: passing game.

439
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Speaker 4: We saw that at times with the touchdown paths of

440
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Speaker 4: Peers and some of the players to Warren in the

441
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Speaker 4: last couple of drives. But if he's not protecting the

442
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: football and you have to overcome those mistakes those sacks consistently,

443
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 4: you're you're not the same offense that we uh that

444
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Speaker 4: was average, that's averaging three point two points possession points

445
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 4: per possession or whatever it is, and and you're you're

446
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Speaker 4: gonna have to figure some stuff out down the down

447
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 4: the stretch. So I think as they go into the by,

448
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 4: that's that's probably got to be the number one question

449
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 4: for Shane stike In is what what's gone on the

450
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 4: last two weeks that we've got to get rid of

451
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: and get Jones back to being who he was the

452
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 4: first eight weeks, because right now he looks not not

453
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Speaker 4: like I still like. I still don't think he looks

454
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 4: like the Giants version, but those turnovers are closer to it,

455
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: and the sacks are closer to the Giants version, then

456
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: the cults would be comfortable with Joel.

457
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: I've got a Muppets question that I'm going to judge

458
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Speaker 1: you on your answer.

459
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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, And.

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Speaker 1: If I've asked you this one before, humor me, because

461
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: I've asked this to several people it's kind of a

462
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: character question. You can learn a lot about a person.

463
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Speaker 1: So you are familiar with the Muppets, right, obviously you've

464
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: seen the Muppet Show, You've seen the Muppet Movie, et cetera. Correct, Yes, yes, yes,

465
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Speaker 1: if something were too and by no means, by no

466
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Speaker 1: means are we asking for this or hoping for this

467
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Speaker 1: to happen? Strictly work with me hypothetically speaking, and if

468
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Speaker 1: kids are in the car, they need to know this

469
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Speaker 1: is all hypothetical. If something we can agree that Kermit

470
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Speaker 1: is the president of the Muppets. Correct, he's the lead Muppet,

471
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Speaker 1: He's the guy, right, Yes, okay, if something were to

472
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Speaker 1: happen to Kermit, Okay, who then takes over the mantle?

473
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Speaker 1: Who is the next exten line? Who is the era

474
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Speaker 1: parent as the president of the Muppets.

475
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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great question.

476
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Speaker 1: I personally believe there to be irrefutably a slam dunk

477
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Speaker 1: number one answer.

478
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Speaker 4: It can't be Fazzy, he's not serious enough. Can't be

479
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: gone though, because that's not what he does, is it, Scooter?

480
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Speaker 1: It's Fozzy?

481
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Speaker 3: Really?

482
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Speaker 5: You think Fozzie can handle that?

483
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Speaker 1: It's not about listen, I mean, are we really going

484
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Speaker 1: with like, you know, I mean, do we think that

485
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Speaker 1: are we just assuming that? You know, Gerald Ford was

486
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Speaker 1: ready for the role here, right, I mean what I'm

487
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Speaker 1: getting at you walk Aluck? Yeah, sure, I mean he's

488
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Speaker 1: kind of a stooge and he's got that, but the

489
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Speaker 1: hat is cool and he wears the tie and he's goofy,

490
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Speaker 1: but he's the guy. Like when when Kermit sets off

491
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Speaker 1: to go to La to pursue his dream, it is

492
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Speaker 1: Fozzy that it takes him there, and the student Baker

493
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Speaker 1: that belongs to his uncle, and that's that's his right

494
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Speaker 1: hand man. Like, whether you like it or not, that

495
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: is his right hand man, right, I mean we had

496
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Speaker 1: you know, Dan Quayle was was a vice president, you

497
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean, Fozzy can be that guy,

498
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Kamala Harris, you can get There

499
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Speaker 1: are a million people that you can say, like, we're

500
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Speaker 1: you know whatever, right, I mean, Fazzi is the guy, right.

501
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Speaker 4: Fazi could Fazi could play a good Bob cratch It

502
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Speaker 4: now I think about it. He could do Bob Cratchit

503
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Speaker 4: for us. You know, you're right, You're right, he can

504
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Speaker 4: play the might be underestimating for.

505
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Speaker 1: Now, Some people say Gonzo, And I don't think you

506
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: can say Gonzo because he's got multiple affairs going on

507
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: with chickens, Like you know what I mean, there's a

508
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: lot going on with Gonzo.

509
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, the headlines on Gonzo if he takes over the Mother.

510
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: The press would kill him. They'd kill him, is what

511
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Speaker 1: they'd do. Joel quite frankly, Joel A. Erickson is our guest.

512
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Speaker 6: Joe.

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Speaker 1: What is the schedule for the Colts during a bye week?

514
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Speaker 1: I mean in just in terms of what for hours

515
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: listeners that that don't know and are not around it

516
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot? What is a given week for the Colts

517
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: in terms of their schedule of events leading up to

518
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Speaker 1: a game? And how is it different during the.

519
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Speaker 4: Bye Yeah, you know, during during the regular during a

520
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 4: regular week, they're they're in on Monday to you know,

521
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: watch film in the previous game. Uh, and and do

522
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: treatment get get a little bit started the next game

523
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 4: and mostly do they work on the previous game. And

524
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Speaker 4: then they're off Tuesday. Then they practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

525
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: they walk through on Saturday, and then they play a

526
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Speaker 4: game during the bye week. Seame Psiken just says, go

527
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: and leave and get some rest and come back ready

528
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Speaker 4: for the second half. Is my understanding is that he

529
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Speaker 4: there's they aren't really doing much of anything. Then you know,

530
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Speaker 4: there might be some players who have rehabbed. There might

531
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Speaker 4: be some players like I know Sauf Gardner said that

532
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Speaker 4: what he has to do is he has to get

533
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Speaker 4: his clothing here because he said ninety nine percent of

534
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Speaker 4: his stuff was in New Jersey still, so he had

535
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Speaker 4: to get that done and probably learn the defense and

536
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: stuff like that. But for the most part, this my

537
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: week is going is a chance for the Colts to

538
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: just do something else, rest, relax, get better for the

539
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 4: second half.

540
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Speaker 1: By the way, so I don't know, I can't speak

541
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Speaker 1: for saft Gardner. There are those places where you don't

542
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: necessarily need clothing. It's optional. For example, the Din Sweie Right,

543
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that or not. Joel,

544
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: you could have you could have found that out in

545
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Speaker 1: Berlin if you've gone out and just hit yourself to

546
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Speaker 1: the Din Schwiz Club. Right.

547
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Speaker 5: I didn't. I was trying to.

548
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: I tried to walk all of Berlin in like one day,

549
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 4: and by the time we got to dinner, I was like,

550
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Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, that's good, but I need to

551
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: dinner's great, but I need to go home and and

552
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Speaker 4: get some sleep cause I think it was like thirty

553
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: two thousand steps or something like.

554
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 5: You know what, on the day off.

555
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: This is my understanding. If you try to walk Berlin

556
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: too much, you can walk really far, but eventually you

557
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: get stopped. You know why, I just mean hit a wall. Thanks,

558
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that grant that joke hasn't been

559
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: as in vogue since nineteen eighty nine, but nonetheless hilarity

560
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: for those of us that are old enough to remember, Well.

561
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Speaker 4: It's still it's still all kind of all over the city.

562
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 4: I think we realized like the second or third day,

563
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 4: the guys who were there from the Beat were like,

564
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: you know, have you been.

565
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Speaker 5: To the Berlin Wall? And we all we all had, and.

566
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Speaker 4: We all realized that we've been to three different sections

567
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Speaker 4: that are still up.

568
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Speaker 1: In all honesty, Joel kidding aside, because it is fascinating,

569
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Speaker 1: you know, and I can remember when the Berlin Wall

570
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Speaker 1: came down and you could buy like pieces of the wall,

571
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Speaker 1: the aspects or the portions of it that are still standing.

572
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, how big an areas are, how big of

573
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Speaker 1: areas or how big of a wall are we talking?

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's not very long, like probably like the

575
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Speaker 4: one that I went to the Berlin Wall Memorial. It

576
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Speaker 4: was about a block or so of you know, a

577
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: city block or maybe two of wall, and then there

578
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: were a lot of the I guess metal piping that

579
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Speaker 4: the concrete set on is still up in that part

580
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 4: of it. I think the one down by Stephen Holder's

581
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: Hotel might have been longer, but it's not. It's not

582
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: like a super huge piece of the wall. And then

583
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Speaker 4: the other thing that they have is like in some

584
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Speaker 4: of those spots, if you look across the road, there's

585
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Speaker 4: like a a marker or or you know, a piece

586
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Speaker 4: of the road that shows you where the wall used

587
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Speaker 4: to be in the uh in the road too, so.

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Speaker 5: You got that.

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Speaker 4: But for the most part, it's it's kind of like

590
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Speaker 4: smaller section.

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Speaker 1: And it has been you know, thirty six years now, Joel.

592
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Speaker 1: But I'm curious, is there any way, shape or form

593
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Speaker 1: architecturally speaking, that you can tell the difference between East

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Speaker 1: Berlin and West Berlin. I couldn't.

595
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Speaker 4: Couldn't because at one point Chris Woodlock looked at me

596
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: and said, we are in East Berlin right now, and

597
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: we were in West Berlin earlier and I had not

598
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: processed that even a little bit, so yeah, I couldn't tell.

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00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating though, because it was just such a

600
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Speaker 1: you know, I remember when when Uve Block played for

601
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Speaker 1: Indiana and they would introduce him in the pregames and

602
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: they would say, you know, from Munich, West Germany, because

603
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Speaker 1: that was still you know, it was still a thing, right,

604
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Speaker 1: I mean, the west and the east side of it.

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Speaker 1: Joel Erickson is our guest on the Java House Peel

606
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Speaker 1: and Port guest line colts on the bye week getting

607
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Speaker 1: set now for Kansas City once they come back from that, Joel,

608
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Speaker 1: the reality is the schedule does toughen up for them,

609
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Speaker 1: but they have a pretty strong hold on the division

610
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Speaker 1: itself and will have obviously ample opportunity to you know,

611
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Speaker 1: put that away because they have both Tennessee or excuse me,

612
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: both Jacksonville and Houston twice coming back from it. But

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Speaker 1: what area aside from the Daniel Jones area, If you

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Speaker 1: are Shane Steichen, what is the thing during the bye

615
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Speaker 1: week that is keeping you awake that you feel is

616
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: the one thing that can be an achilles for this team?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: The pass rush, especially with Buckner out with you know,

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Speaker 4: they get They had three secs I think on Sunday,

620
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: and all three of them were by guys who don't

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Speaker 4: typically rush the passer. They had to call blitzes on

622
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Speaker 4: all of them. It was buying him, it was Cross,

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Speaker 4: it was it was Franklin without Buckner. I just you

624
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 4: don't have a guy right now that you can rely

625
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: on to get pressure, or draw attention or or do

626
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: whatever he has to. Dolts leads the team in sex.

627
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: He's got five. We've seen flashes. The Rams game was

628
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: really good, the Steelers game was really good. But in

629
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Speaker 4: terms of him being a game in, game out, game wrecker,

630
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: you just have we just haven't seen that from him yet.

631
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Speaker 4: So especially with some of these quarterbacks that are coming

632
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Speaker 4: up and passing games that are coming up on the schedule,

633
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Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest thing that makes me nervous

634
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: is we've got these corners. I would expect to see

635
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: Mooney wardbacks un because we saw him before we left

636
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: for Berlin on the practice field working out with trainers,

637
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Speaker 4: So I would guess that he's probably going to be

638
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: back not too long. If he might be back for

639
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: the Chiefs game and if not, then not too long

640
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: after that. So you feel good about the corners, but

641
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: you know, if they can't rush the passer against some

642
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: of these guys coming up, you could find yourself in

643
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: a lot of these games where it's a shootout and

644
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: you're going back and forth, and then it magnifies everything.

645
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: If your defense is playing better on Sunday, then yes,

646
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: you still feel worried about Daniel Jones, but you had

647
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: five hundred nineteen yards to total offense, and you scored

648
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: points and you probably win, you know, twenty four to

649
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: seventeen or something like that. They just they got to

650
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: have more of a pass rush. I all think on

651
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: Sunday that they kind of got away with some stuff

652
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: because Michael Pennix some bouts of inaccuracy that just don't

653
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: make any sense.

654
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 7: Joel, Matt Bowen and Jeremy Fowler VSPN today released their

655
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 7: way too early Top twenty five free Agents of the

656
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six class. You and Jake have already kind

657
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 7: of talked about Alec Pears, and I was reading into

658
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 7: this a little bit, and Jeremy Fowler reporting that the

659
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 7: threshold that people that he's talked to is twenty million

660
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 7: per year doesn't seem out of the question for him.

661
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 7: And I read that, and I'm like, that still seems

662
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 7: like a bargain considering the fact of what Alex Peers

663
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 7: has displayed at no longer just being the guy that

664
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 7: he just chucked the ball, you know, thirty forty yards

665
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 7: downfield to.

666
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's gonna cost more than that. I

667
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 5: don't think that.

668
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: I saw that. I saw the same thing you saw

669
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: and saw that twenty million figure and thought, are we

670
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: sure that's the you know, where he should be talking

671
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: about that. It's a possible ceiling for him because salaries

672
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 4: have risen all over the place, and there's still an

673
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: outside chance that he ends up with a thousand yards

674
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: this year. I just think that the way people pay

675
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: receivers in free agency, I think he's going to cost

676
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: quite a bit. And I also think the Colts need

677
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: to resign him. I just I just do. He just

678
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: gives me something that is so valuable in this league

679
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: where I.

680
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 5: Mean, how many receivers in the league.

681
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: There's a lot of receivers in this league that you

682
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 4: know are going deep, but how many receivers in this league,

683
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: not only do you know are going deep, and everybody

684
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: in the stadiums are getting deep but they still do

685
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: it for a catch like once a game.

686
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 5: It's so valuable. And then, like you said, he's doing.

687
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 4: The other stuff on top of it and being becoming

688
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: more of a complete receiver for this team. I think

689
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: they I think they kind of have to resign him,

690
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: and I think it's gonna cost more than people realize.

691
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, he has become their most versatile receiver. Would

692
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you agree with that?

693
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: Oh, totally, yep.

694
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: He's the guy, like what's the it used to be

695
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: that you go, well, you know, he doesn't run the

696
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: drag route, he doesn't run some of the shorter stuff,

697
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: but they're doing that stuff within this year. And his

698
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: downfield speed is something. His downfield speed is just something

699
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: that that that Michael Pittman and Josh Downs can't replicate.

700
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 4: They just they just aren't the same type the deep threat.

701
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: But I really think nobody is. I don't think there's

702
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: very many people in the league that are as consistent

703
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: a deep threat as he is.

704
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, and what world does Miss Piggy not take

705
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the over the Muppets If Kermit is gone, she's in mourning.

706
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 5: You can't have.

707
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: Also Also, if you put Miss Piggy in charge of

708
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: the Muppets, she's like.

709
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: She's a tyrant. The Muppets implode.

710
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 4: Because she's like she can't he can't handle herself.

711
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 5: She'll lose it. Wow.

712
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a I don't know, I mean that's

713
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: probably true. Yeah, but you know, she's the like you

714
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: have to have an immediate succession plan, and she's going

715
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: to be in heavy mourning if if something happens to

716
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: and let's be real, if something happens to kermit. We

717
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: don't know for certain, Miss Piggy's not involved, right, you

718
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: know what I.

719
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 5: Mean, that's that's fair.

720
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're we're not We're not certain

721
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: on this, right.

722
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: Miss Piggy has been known to fly off the handle.

723
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: It's just like it's that's a very consistent piece of

724
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 4: the character is that she she tends to fly off

725
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 4: the handle.

726
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: You know.

727
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 1: I like that. Who's the musician guy with the gold tooth.

728
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: He's pretty cool.

729
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: Oh what's his name.

730
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a cabinet member, but he's pretty cool. Right,

731
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: and then he's.

732
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: Got great and he's got to he's got to keep

733
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 4: animal in check for the for the sets and stuff

734
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 4: he's got abilities.

735
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Animal, there's a lot going on there too, right,

736
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Animal Travel International. Animal likes to go to Colorado and

737
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Washington and he just so you know, right, they talking

738
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: about me. Lots of gigs in Michigan for Animal Right,

739
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: amongst other things. Uh, Joel, what are you gonna do

740
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: during the bye week here? Anything fun?

741
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: I Uh?

742
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 4: I think my wife has a bunch of things that

743
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 4: I haven't done during the season that I need to do.

744
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's why I'm supposed to

745
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 5: do well.

746
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: This makes you kermit, Okay? Cool? All right, Joe. We

747
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always. Joeli Ericson, who mercifully joins

748
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: the program from the Indianapolis Star, Java House, Peel and

749
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: poor guest line.

750
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 6: I cannot just pass off what we witnessed last night.

751
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 6: If you stayed up late to watch the paces in

752
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 6: Salt Lake City as hey, you know what they were without, dudes,

753
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 6: because last night was embarrassing.

754
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Last night can't happen.

755
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 6: You can't give up one five to two to a

756
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 6: crapwater team like that. That was a three win team

757
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: at home and you gagged up one fifty two, and

758
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 6: I realize all that is going on here, and I'm

759
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 6: willing to accept and understand what's happening with this team

760
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 6: again until further note is health wise. But I am

761
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 6: not at all willing to accept and just give that

762
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 6: a pardon. That was embarrassing. I don't care who you

763
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: had on the floor. I don't care what personnel was available.

764
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 6: That was embarrassing joining us. Now do you discuss that

765
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 6: on quarrying company? He writes for a variety, and he

766
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 6: should be riding for even more because the dude is

767
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 6: top notch. Tony East is on the Andy Moore Automotive

768
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 6: Group hootline. I can't give that a pardon last night, Tony,

769
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 6: no matter the circumstances, I just can't.

770
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: I'd actually take it a step further than something you

771
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: just said. You said you can't give up one fifty

772
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: two to a three win jass, if you can't give

773
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: up fifty to anybody man?

774
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. I Rick Carlisle.

775
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: I'm assuming read them the Riot Act at some point

776
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 6: because that was embarrassing.

777
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, and you know what's funny is like, oh,

778
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean even with you, right, We've talked about how

779
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: they can't score off season, right, They've either missed a

780
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: bunch of shots or they play Golden State and they

781
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: have twenty whatever turnovers. It's like some function of their

782
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: offense has been off every night. Last night was their

783
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 3: best offensive game of the season. Yeah, they actually made

784
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: forty seven percent of their shots. They only had eight turnovers.

785
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: Like that's what I've been waiting for as again to

786
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: show like, look, these guys are better than what they've

787
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: shown on offense. They can score points. They did it.

788
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: TJ McConnell was back. He's flipping the shots that like

789
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: only he takes in the league. Today should have been

790
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: a day talking about how their health has them. Okay,

791
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: potentially they can start winning some games. And they got blasted.

792
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't even close because they never I don't know

793
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: how late you stayed up.

794
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 6: I presume you watched most of it was up until

795
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 6: like two in the morning, so I think I watched everything,

796
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 6: including magnum p I.

797
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 3: I mean it was just like even in the fourth

798
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: Corter they so they keep the starters in to start

799
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: the fourth to both I would say, one, try to

800
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: make a push, but also send a bit of a

801
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: message and like that group was scoring really well, they

802
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: got it down to seventeen, but that they could not

803
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: stop the jazz at all, and like Matt Markin and

804
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: you get it everybody else, it's like, you can't stop

805
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: these guys. They're wide open threes every play they get

806
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: to the rim half the time. It was terrible defense.

807
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: And that's why the second time all season I had

808
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: felt like after a game that their defense was the problem,

809
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: the Atlanta game at home being the other one. They

810
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: can't have that when their offense has been this battle season.

811
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: It was a time I think for the vibes of

812
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: that team to have a lot of like that.

813
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 6: Well, because we have preached to people, hey listen, this

814
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 6: is not a similar at all product to what you

815
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 6: witnessed a year ago and what you were so enthralled

816
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 6: and excited about. This is not at all close. But

817
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 6: these dudes are still going to play hard. I thought

818
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 6: last night was a half assed product at best defensively.

819
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you yeah, I agree with you, And you're

820
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: if you're even think about if you're on the team,

821
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: like you know, you're better than how you've played. But

822
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 3: you know why, because you've been so hurt and they're

823
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: still hurt. Like they didn't have Matherin, they net Furpy,

824
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: they didn't have Quintin Abas and tie, they're still missing

825
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: lots of guys. But like that group available should have

826
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: been able to be competitive with Utah. Right, and they

827
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: were up what ten to nothing and then twenty to ten,

828
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: and for half of the first quarter it was like

829
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: there it is the Pacers that we all thought we

830
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: might see for you know, several games this season. And

831
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: then from literally that point on they got beat by

832
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: thirty four. Right, they just got they got smacked. And

833
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: I don't I don't get what happened, like as a

834
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: shift that would have made them defense so poorly because

835
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: they shifted their starting lineup. And to be clear, I

836
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: think they probably should be trying to get Jaris more reps.

837
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: But Robinson Earl, who's been on a team for ten days,

838
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: has been more consistent than him. Tony Bradley's been their

839
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: most consistent center. Like they were clearly starting a group

840
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: they thought and the group by the way they started

841
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: one there minutes by three, Like they clearly thought that

842
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: group would give them the most balanced and consistency, and

843
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: it made them score better, but their defense just not

844
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: I don't even think because the lineup change. I just

845
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: think it stun Their defense just completely fell apart in

846
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: every way.

847
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 6: Tony East joins us on Quirying Company ninety three five

848
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 6: and one oh seven five the Fan. I would acknowledge

849
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 6: this as well. We're constantly evaluating guys that under circumstances

850
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 6: of health, we would not be evaluated. So this moment

851
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 6: early in the season, where we are in the month

852
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 6: of November, how do you look at guys from what

853
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 6: we've seen so far when you're talking about the trio

854
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 6: trying to make up now for Miles Turner or Ben

855
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 6: Shephard or jerifs w Walker. Where are you with guys

856
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 6: like that if we're making a snap evaluation in the

857
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 6: month of November.

858
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually something that I haven't I mean, there

859
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 3: hasn't really been a reason to talk about it because

860
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: it's so early in the season. You're talking about wins

861
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: and losses. But like a very frustrating thing to me

862
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: if I am on the Pacers staff about this start

863
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: to the season, is not only have you not won

864
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: hardly at all like the guys you would hope to evaluate,

865
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 3: either have also not been available or have been playing

866
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: out of position in a way that it's like what

867
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: does this even matter? Right, Like they haven't had fur

868
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: fee hardly at all. They haven't had Cam Jones a

869
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: single time. Memhard, who they hope they could evaluate at

870
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: point guard for more, has played now three and a

871
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: half games, right, Ben Matherens played one and a half games.

872
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: Like all this stuff that you'd really want to learn about.

873
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: Also you haven't been able to learn about because of

874
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: how their season has gone and what their injuries have been,

875
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: which is a big bummer. Now the last couple of

876
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: games there's been more sample of Nowhard at the one

877
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: I would say, like maybe the only positive from this

878
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: row trip where they've been blown out three times, is

879
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: like that he's scoring man and warned to get into

880
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: his spots and putting the ball in the basket and

881
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: last night finally stuck some threes, which has been evading

882
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: him all season. That's been nice. Like, I know they

883
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: want to learn more about what he can do in

884
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: that role at what volume. But you know, Jaris Walker

885
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: and Ben Shephard are the only two young guys who

886
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: have played all ten games, and as D Jackson, I

887
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: suppose and Chaff's had to play point guard, like he's done, okay,

888
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: getting to the basket this year, but he can't make anything,

889
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: Like what are they learning from that? Is that actually

890
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: something that matters to them? Jarifs Walker, no man.

891
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: Like has been the lowest lowest percentage three point shooter

892
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 6: in the NBA so far. Did I see that accurately?

893
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: It's crazy because he's like every playoffs he makes forty

894
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: percent of his threes or thirty eight or whatever, and

895
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: you're like, Yeah, this guy can clearly shoot when it

896
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: matters and he's confident. And then he goes through these

897
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: stretches in the regular season and you're like, what is happening?

898
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: Like he can't make any of them right now, like not,

899
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 3: and and he's getting to the rims so much more

900
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: that you're like, Okay, maybe that's a good thing, but

901
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: who cares if you can't make any shots. Jarris was

902
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: also when he began to start games like a week

903
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: and a half ago, and now has had probably his

904
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: two worst games of the season back to back where

905
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: he can't make anything, his defense looks flimsy, he's throwing

906
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: the ball everywhere, and he's not even playing that much

907
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: out of position. He's probably asked to be a lead

908
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: creator a little more than he should be, but it's

909
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: just been weird. The center stuff like that was a

910
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: big storyline coming into the season. Amazingly, that's been their

911
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: healthiest position. Isaiah Jackson's had some awesome moments and some

912
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: like nah Ones Jay Huff has not been with They

913
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: probably hoped he'd beat Tony Bradley, though that guy is

914
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 3: rock solid every second he's on the floor.

915
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: So it's just a lot.

916
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: Of like one, unanswered questions of guys they hope they'd

917
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 3: get answers to, and two some of the answers aren't

918
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: even relevant, Like great, it's great that Ben Shepperd can

919
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: drive a little more, but like, who cares? He probably

920
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: won't do that much when the Pacers are healthy, right,

921
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: I do all feel meant. It feels mean, but it's true.

922
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I feel the same way as you

923
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 6: do about this. Because I was not going back and

924
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 6: forth in a nice way with some good friends on

925
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 6: social media a little bit earlier about the Pacers defensively,

926
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 6: and many would suggest that their defense is better and

927
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 6: the other ratings would show that, but I would also

928
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 6: tell you that the fact remains that without a legitimate threat,

929
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 6: and I don't care if his blocks were down a

930
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 6: year ago and he wasn't the same, and I am

931
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 6: certainly not on the former thirty three now number three

932
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 6: bendwagon in any sort of way, but his overall threat

933
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 6: on both ends is incredibly missing. And even with the

934
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 6: work that Tony Bradley has done, even with the defense

935
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 6: percentage wise looking better, there is zero fear for anybody

936
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 6: to drive and then to lay it up off the glass.

937
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 6: And I would also remind people that one of the

938
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 6: reasons why the defense could be better that nobody wants

939
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 6: to hear is the fact that arguably their worst defensive

940
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 6: player is out for the season.

941
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: That is I think true in part.

942
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: I hate to I hate to bring it up that way,

943
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: but that is the facts. Yeah.

944
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean so Haliburn obviously has a massive plus

945
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: impact on their offense, but I think him and Turner

946
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: being gone, I think was a bigger hit to their offer.

947
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: I predicted before the season. I might have said it

948
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: with you, I'd said it on my podcast a million

949
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: times that I thought they'd be better on defense than

950
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: offense this year, but not like this, Not like where

951
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: they're like average on defense and just totally awful on offense.

952
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: And last night it's like, how did this team even

953
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: get to sixteenth on defense? Like they couldn't stop the

954
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: Jazz for a lake and they And the thing that

955
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: made it weird last night too, is like with McCall back,

956
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: basically their whole rotation was guys that I'm like, yeah,

957
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: that's a fine defensive player. Like did they play anyone

958
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: who I think is terrible or bad on defense? Not

959
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: really locker room maybe being the worst of them this season.

960
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 3: So it's just really strange that that that's the case.

961
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: But I think you are right that the way that

962
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: they have struggled with drives from other teams, Like did

963
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: the Atlanta game that I mentioned earlier, that was the

964
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: first game I felt like their defense costs them. I mean,

965
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: Dyson Daniels and Jalen Johnson just walked to the rim

966
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: all night like easiest shots ever. The Jazz were getting

967
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: to the cup all night last night. Their finishing was

968
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: just okay, but they kicked it out for a million

969
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: easy threes. You know, that's the kind of stuff that

970
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: just kills you, right, And so they've got to figure

971
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: that part out in some way, because if they're all

972
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: been going to be at this level, they've got a

973
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: guard and they haven't really been able to do that,

974
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: and so I think their defense is probably much lower

975
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: now after a life not I haven't actually looked at

976
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: the advanced deats today. I'll check while we're talking, but

977
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: it's just been shocking to see that kind of fall.

978
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: And to answer my own question, they answered last night

979
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: seventeenth in defensive rating. They're now twenty third. They lost

980
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 3: six spots in one game.

981
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 6: Man, that's absolutely brutal. With the info you need. Tony

982
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 6: East is on the Java House Guests line. This is

983
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 6: Query and Company ninety three to five and one oh

984
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 6: seven five the fan jmv in for Jake Querry until

985
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 6: my show starts coming up here at three o'clock.

986
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: So when you start the jamb show, just like Jake

987
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: fill in for an hour. I know he's flying.

988
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 6: Yeah no, no, yeah, I'm a four out of our tour.

989
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 6: It's like old school days for me. I'm going full

990
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 6: four hours now. So yeah, it's all good. So yeah,

991
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 6: I luckily I have enough left in the tank to

992
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 6: be able to do that. Right here, I will say

993
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 6: this offensively, a lot of what we have witnessed I expect,

994
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 6: and certainly with the decreasing availability of normal personnel. It

995
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 6: stands the reason if you watch them, the one thing

996
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 6: in the category of cohesion offensively that is missing with

997
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 6: Tyree Saliburton. I mean everything with Haliburton, no matter what

998
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 6: really portion of the season was all everybody knew where

999
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 6: they were going, the ball was going to be here

1000
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 6: and there, and it's not stuff you had to think about.

1001
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 6: These guys have to stop and think for like a click,

1002
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 6: and that just completely jacks up everything offensively. That's the

1003
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 6: one thing that stands out when you have to stop

1004
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 6: and think in the offense that they try to play

1005
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 6: at the pace in which they try to play, that

1006
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 6: food bars everything.

1007
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: That's why I think that their groups with you know,

1008
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: most of their starters from laster on the floor, like

1009
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: when they can get Siaki Smith and them hard out

1010
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: there together with basically anyone else, they look the best

1011
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: because that group, even without tie can play that way

1012
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: like they don't think they know how to do it.

1013
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 3: They're all sharp, they all move the ball. And it's

1014
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: interesting because I think you've just kind of nailed half

1015
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: of my three about why this team has really struggled

1016
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: with offensive season. Like, if you look at every underlying

1017
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: set about this Pacers team this year, right, their drives,

1018
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: their passes, like a million things all say that they

1019
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: should be about the same level of team as they

1020
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: were last year. Right, they're passing just as much, their

1021
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 3: drives are just as many. They just can't score at all,

1022
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: like at all, And I think one of the difference

1023
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: is obviously that they haven't made shots at like a lick. Right,

1024
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: nothing is going in. They're the worst effective field goal

1025
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: percentage in the league. But the other part of it is, sure,

1026
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: they're doing all those things that were doing last year,

1027
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: but they're just doing it worse and slower. Right, they're not.

1028
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: They're they're thinking for a beat, it's not as accurate

1029
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: of a pass, it's not at the same time. And

1030
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: all that just slowly over possession adds up to like

1031
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: a shot that last year was super open this year

1032
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: is like kind of open. Or a shot that was

1033
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: right at the basket last year is like a five

1034
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 3: foot or this year like shots that can go in

1035
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: and the Pacers would tell you should be going in,

1036
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: but they're not. They're just not. And so some of

1037
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: it to that. Some of it how much time it

1038
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: I'll take. Some of it is who is available. Some

1039
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: of it's that everybody's moved up or down or sideways

1040
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 3: in the pecking order, whatever you want to say. But

1041
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: I like Jariff last night was thinking a lot, right

1042
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: Ben Shepherd. Sometimes he never thinks that, dude, you used

1043
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: to just get us the ball. Even he's thinking a

1044
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: little bit like they have a lot of guys just

1045
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: taking a beat, and their guy who doesn't take a

1046
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: beat Siakam. He gets it. He turns around, he tries

1047
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: to make his move and there's four defenders within six

1048
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 3: feet of him immediately. It's just really hard to function

1049
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: when that's your team and that's your situation.

1050
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 6: The Jerifs thing to be is when he just reacts,

1051
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 6: he's better, but that's not nearly enough. He has to

1052
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 6: stop and think. He thinks about a move to make,

1053
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 6: he thinks about where he's going to get in his

1054
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 6: comfort zone. And see that's the difference to me, Tony,

1055
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: because that's all taken care of with with Tybreese Haliburton

1056
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 6: out there. I mean, he knows you you're going to

1057
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 6: be in your comfort area. He's going to get you

1058
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 6: the ball. And here these guys are trying to make

1059
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 6: this up on the fly on their own, and a

1060
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 6: guy like Jaris Walker is not built for that.

1061
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: So I think you just kind of nailed the Jariff's experience.

1062
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: Because Klen Cooper praised us really well, you can like

1063
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 3: Jerif's so far this season, I'd say his best moments

1064
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: offensively has been when he's right in the middle of

1065
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: a zone. Right, Like other teams in zone, they put

1066
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: Jaris in the middle, so when he catches, his job

1067
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: is to play make or shoot, and he's already kind

1068
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: of open just because of the way the defense is.

1069
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: And so what that tells you is the same thing

1070
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: we've kind of seen from him, even against Manda Man

1071
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 3: his all career is that when someone else, not Jaris Walker,

1072
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: creates an advantage of point guard tiaka whatever, and they

1073
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 3: pass it to Jarri's He's very good at taking space

1074
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: in front of him or shooting quickly and keeping the

1075
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: advantage alive. Right. That's a good skill to have, and

1076
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: he's a decent passer for somebody of his size, But

1077
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 3: when he is the guy who has to actually create

1078
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: that advantage himself by beating someone off the dribble or

1079
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: creating a little space for a jumper or whatever. He

1080
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: is not as good at that, and I think recently,

1081
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 3: especially how many point guards they've had out, they've tried

1082
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: at times to be like, okay, trial, I fire jaris,

1083
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: create something for us. And some of those possessions don't

1084
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 3: look particularly good. And that's fine, that's how development works.

1085
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: But it looks like he was really really rough on

1086
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: Sunday against Golden State, right like, probably his worst game

1087
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: in years. And then and then they move them to

1088
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: the bench where he's playing with McConnell, and they used

1089
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: Siakam in that second unit stin every game it's like, okay,

1090
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: there's two creators around him. Maybe that'll help him a

1091
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: little zippier. And he was still thinking a bunch last night,

1092
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 3: and so he drew a bunch of fouls and got

1093
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: to the line. I don't think he was as bad

1094
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: as the stats really say, but he still kind of

1095
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: struggled because I think he was thinking after a bad game.

1096
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: I don't know how you just get him to relax.

1097
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: I honestly think that's the best way to put it,

1098
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: because if he just like plays on instincts, he's much better,

1099
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 3: but he's kind of been pigeonholed into a role that's

1100
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 3: kind of above what he should be and unfortunately, from

1101
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: a development perspective, like, yeah, it's good that he's doing it,

1102
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: but it hasn't looked very good yet at all.

1103
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 6: So Tony East, he's on the Java House guess line

1104
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 6: ninety three five one oh seven by the fan, get

1105
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 6: any timetable at all, and he feel from when we

1106
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 6: may see a re emergence of Benedick Mathery.

1107
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: Great, well, we'll find out actually in a couple of

1108
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: days a little bit on what is possible with him.

1109
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 3: I think he's progressing pretty well, at least that's the

1110
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: sense I've gotten, which is good. Their hardship situation will

1111
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: tell us, all right, if they're able to sign Cody

1112
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: Martin again or another player on Saturday, I believes the

1113
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: day his deal expires, that means Mathern's probably out for

1114
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 3: a couple more weeks. If they are not signing him

1115
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: or anybody to another heartshe deil that head. That means

1116
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: they are only it was just hilarious to say only

1117
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: down to four injured players, and that would be Matheren

1118
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: is probably closer to a return. He was week to

1119
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: week as of two weeks ago. Last week when we asked,

1120
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: Carlisle said he was progressing well and doing better than

1121
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: he was a week ago, which is an update but

1122
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 3: not an update. At the same time, I believe the

1123
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: next week of the week to week update would be today. Actually,

1124
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to practice today. Who knows,

1125
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: So perhaps tomorrow we learn a little bit more, because

1126
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: that would be a day of asking again, and so

1127
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: we'll see in Phoenix if we learn more. But my suspicion,

1128
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: and this is just that a suspicion, is that it's

1129
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 3: possible that he could return, not super far off. But

1130
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 3: I don't truly know that or know the timeline perfectly

1131
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: to know.

1132
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 6: Do you see a timetable or a moment this season

1133
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 6: if things continue to go in the fashion in which

1134
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 6: certainly if they go in this fashion, but if they

1135
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 6: continue to go down this path, that they decided to

1136
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 6: go ahead and try to prepare a little bit more

1137
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 6: for next year and maybe some deals that they can

1138
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 6: feel benefit them, you know, not so much in the now,

1139
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 6: but certainly further down the road.

1140
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've I've talked a couple times about this so one,

1141
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: they're about to start like a softer stretch of schedule, right,

1142
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 3: Their first ten games are tough, and then they have

1143
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: the Dewtap Phoenix two games to end this West road trip.

1144
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: Seven of their fifteen West road games are already done

1145
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: after tomorrow, which is crazy. It fell for like twelve

1146
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: games at the end of November, right, their schedule is

1147
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: not as hard for the rest of the month. Like

1148
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: if they can't find some footing throughout November, that will

1149
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: be one sign. But honestly, like, it's kind of nice

1150
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: the way the NBA has set this all up. Think

1151
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 3: back to last year jamb when did they turn it around.

1152
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 3: They had that gap of time wh they practice during

1153
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: the n season tournament break. Remember that.

1154
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, the last bad game was I remember this December

1155
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 6: the ninth at home on a Sunday against Charlotte, and

1156
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 6: it was an absolute disaster, kind of like got ripped

1157
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 6: the ass, like I am right now, yes.

1158
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 3: Yes, And then you know, they got a little healthy

1159
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: at that time too, obviously, which is fitting because they've

1160
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: been so hurt this season. But they came into that

1161
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 3: break and they played Philly and they played New Orleans

1162
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: and they destroyed both of them and then all of

1163
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: a sudden they were like the fourth best team in

1164
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: the NBA or something by a record the rest of

1165
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: the season. And not saying they should expect that level

1166
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: turnaround without Halburn this year, but that break is a

1167
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: good assessment time, right, So let's see what their record

1168
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: is then. I think they played the eighth of the

1169
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: ninth again for their last game before that. If their

1170
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: records super awful, then and like the fitting thing with

1171
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: the NBA calendar now is the n season tournament ends,

1172
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: and it's December fifteenth right then, and that's when a

1173
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: lot of players signed in the offseason can get traded.

1174
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 3: If you'll remember last year, that's the day they traded

1175
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: for Thomas Bryant, was the first day they legally could.

1176
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: So it just kind of works out that you can

1177
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: really assess your team when you have all this time

1178
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: off and you can see like what is materializing for

1179
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: your team. So that's a good time to start assessing

1180
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: the facers. And truly if they if it's like last year,

1181
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: they start to get healthy, then maybe see how they

1182
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 3: play the rest of December. I'm not saying they're gonna

1183
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: like turn it around to the point that we're talking

1184
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 3: about them making the playoffs or anything, like, their records

1185
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 3: already so bad that they might not that might not

1186
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: ever be on the table this year. But at least

1187
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: they can see like, was the proof of concept of

1188
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: this team actually possible, and then they can figure out

1189
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: what moves they had to make. But I'll tell you now,

1190
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be telling you this for months. There's gonna

1191
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: be a lot of talk about trades and selling and whatever.

1192
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 3: If their records this bad, they should not consider themselves sellers.

1193
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: They should consider themselves in a position to get the

1194
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: best talent around a tyree talivert year, which is which

1195
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: is which is gonna feel really weird if their record

1196
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: is still bad that they might even be buyers. Right,

1197
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: If they can get a good young player, they should

1198
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: do it. But that's what they have to think about.

1199
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: They're just in such a unique position given their record

1200
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: and situations like they were half a game from the

1201
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: final the last year. Why would they get rid of

1202
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: any player who was critical to that operation. So it's

1203
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: just gonna be a really weird year of assessing their team.

1204
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 6: That is as and a lot of that is pointing

1205
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 6: the finger at Pascal Siakam because people look at his age,

1206
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 6: they go, well, you know what he need, but yes,

1207
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 6: he was an essential reason as to why, yes.

1208
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: He was there. Awesome. Yeah, he's the top twenty to

1209
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: twenty five care in the league. And everyone's so you're

1210
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: gonna hear a lot of like, oh, they should trade him.

1211
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: They stayed, like why how are they going to get

1212
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: a player as good as Siakam if they trade away Siakam?

1213
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: Like it, you know, and like, I hate to say this,

1214
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: but if you're a good player on the Pacers this year,

1215
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: who was central their functioning last year, this year probably sucks, right, Like,

1216
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: you thought you'd be better. You're a good player, you

1217
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: expected to win more. Siakam chief among it like it's

1218
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: gonna suck, it's gonna hurt. But at least they know

1219
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: or should know that next year will instantly be better

1220
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: and so that that brings more happiness to the situation

1221
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: and sunshine. But it won't make their trade situation just

1222
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: very kind of weird to talk about. It'll be way

1223
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: different than usual bad teams.

1224
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 6: So here's how we really know we live in the

1225
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 6: bizarro world with the paces right now? Is they those

1226
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 6: awesome ass new uniforms last night and up fifty two

1227
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 6: and get embarrassed in the fashion of which they did.

1228
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 6: Why couldn't you do that alongside that ridiculous yes sir slogan,

1229
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 6: and then it would all made sense. You could have

1230
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 6: sucked with that got rid And now they're probably going

1231
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 6: to get rid of these uniforms because that taste in

1232
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 6: the mouth is one thing they're not. But you know

1233
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 6: what I mean, the bizarre world means we should embrace

1234
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 6: those uniforms and not yes, sirs. But in this sense

1235
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 6: we embrace yes sirs and not these uniforms. It just

1236
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 6: doesn't make sense to me.

1237
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: I know. I still think of like certain alternate uniforms

1238
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: with like moments in time, like the red Hickory jerseys

1239
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: with the end of Paul George and the Victor Oladipot

1240
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: injury season with that jersey that year. Like it's just

1241
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: how it is for me. I wonder if fans are

1242
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 3: the same way, And I wonder how these jerseys, which

1243
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 3: are awesome, this branding and the court looks really good too,

1244
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 3: is awesome, but if the team doesn't win very much,

1245
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: like how are fans going to remember the matrix moments?

1246
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: Jersey because they're they are off.

1247
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 6: Oh I love the Decades remix, but evidently we're more

1248
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 6: like in nineteen eighty five or something like that, when

1249
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 6: the black Curtain comes down at Old Marcus Square Arena.

1250
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 6: That's kind of where we're located right now. Hey, really quick,

1251
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 6: before I had a break here with you, one final thing?

1252
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: Do you believe and believe I'm done with him? And

1253
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 6: I don't really care, but people were asking me, I think,

1254
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 6: just a threat alone offensively and defensively, they miss Miles

1255
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 6: because even with Tony Bradley playing, well, you don't have

1256
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 6: that threat there at all.

1257
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: Nobody really pays attention. Do they miss him?

1258
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean certainly. So. For the first of all,

1259
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: I gotta give myself a hand of JAMV because I

1260
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: actually thought a lot of the stuff he was saying

1261
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: in the off season was being a little misconstrued. I

1262
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: thought at the time, I was like, yeah, this is all.

1263
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: This all seems very just like he likes the Bucks

1264
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: and people are taking it a shot at thecers. But

1265
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: then they played the game and he did the the

1266
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: oh they I took discounts, tell you didn't. And then

1267
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: he posted that Formula one car all crumpled up and

1268
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: he said the yellow court thing, and I'm like, okay,

1269
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: never mind, Like I was just wrong. Apparently this actually

1270
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: was just all straight up shots at the Bakers, which is.

1271
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 6: Well, he doesn't like Prichard and Buchanan, he didn't like

1272
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 6: the front and all along. If you would have said, man,

1273
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 6: the front office hoes me, I'm mad at them. But

1274
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 6: I mean it made it seem like that it was

1275
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 6: a player thing, and nobody around here was going to

1276
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 6: accept that at all.

1277
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: So I got to put my hand up on that obviously.

1278
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: But yes, they miss him, Like I talked to you

1279
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 3: about this, I forget the first time we talked this season.

1280
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: We talked many times, which is great, but you know,

1281
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 3: like just beyond the shooting, which is obviously something they're missing,

1282
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: and Jay Huff has just got to make the reason

1283
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: at some point, Like Miles was so good at moving

1284
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: the ball side to side quickly. He made a quick

1285
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: decision at the top of the key, and we talked

1286
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: about how people are thinking on this team. He got

1287
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: very confident in his role and he made the right

1288
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: decision to swing it to go back to the guy

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Speaker 3: who passed it soon with a handoff or to shoot,

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: and you just don't really see that with this group

1291
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: that much. With Isaiah, with Tony Bradley, with Jay Huff

1292
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: at the top of the key, their decisions either take

1293
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 3: a second or it's not right, or it's not as

1294
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: it's not as quick. It's just not the same. On

1295
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: top of the defensive side of the ball, where obviously

1296
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: Turner was a very good movie. His feed block shots

1297
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: guy at the basket who had some limitation, so they

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01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: definitely miss him. And you know, like we all knew

1299
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 3: going into season, they'd be missing two starters from LA season,

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01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: it ended up being much more than that without Drew

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01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: and a bunch of other guys. You're seeing what they

1302
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: what they have lost without Miles, and they still probably

1303
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: need to find their center in the future. And the

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01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: rest of them are trying out for rolls two and three.

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Speaker 6: That is Tony East of Forbes Sports and needs to

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 6: be riding for a variety of places because he is

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 6: really good. We thank him for joining us Squaring Company

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01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 6: on the Java House guest Line ninety three five and

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Speaker 6: one oh seven five the fan Tony, I appreciate that.

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01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 6: I know we were both up late last night watching

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 6: that mess we'll see what happens tomorrow night in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: Brother, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it being on Queer and Company with no

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Speaker 3: query and.

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: No com Thanks man, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Tony. Thanks you got it.

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01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony East on the

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Speaker 6: Java House guest Line