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Speaker 1: Live from vall hartbind and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: So Senator Rand Paul calls Anthony Fauci, doctor Fauci, the

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Speaker 1: esteemed that.

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Speaker 2: It's funny when you say it out loud.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci was the guy we were supposed to have

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Speaker 1: faith in, we're supposed to believe, representing the institutions in

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Speaker 1: the conversations about COVID and how we survive. And Anthony

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Speaker 1: Fauci lied, and Anthony Fauci lied a lot. Tony Katz,

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today an absolute pleasure to be hearing, to

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Speaker 1: be with you live streaming on YouTube and Rumble. Check

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Speaker 1: it out Tony Katz on the Twitter also known as

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Speaker 1: x Tony Kat's Facebook, Tony CAATs Radio. Get in there,

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Speaker 1: like subscribe, do all the good things. Anthony Fauci took

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Speaker 1: the fifth. He did so one hundred and eleven times

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Speaker 1: this morning in this hearing. No matter what the question,

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Speaker 1: I plead the fifth. And some of the questions were

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Speaker 1: pretty innocuous. Some of the questions were pretty normal. Actually

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Speaker 1: they weren't even normal. They were super weird. But it

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Speaker 1: was trying to set the points that he won't answer anything.

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Speaker 2: This was Senator Josh Hawley. Hey you, miss chairman.

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Speaker 3: Well, nothing says honesty like taking the fifth, Hi, doc,

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Speaker 3: let's try something.

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Speaker 2: What day of the week is it today?

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Speaker 4: On the Divisive Council? I respectfully declined to answer based

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Speaker 4: upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

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Speaker 5: Or tie you're wearing.

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Speaker 4: On the Advisive Council? I respectfully declined to answer based

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Speaker 4: upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: What colors the carpet in front of you.

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Speaker 4: On the Advisive Council? I respectfully decline to answer based

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Speaker 4: upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: So this is going well, So you understand he wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to answer anything. And if you're asking, why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: he answer those questions? Because it would open himself up

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Speaker 1: to answer one question is to answer all questions, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the story that if he answered any of the questions,

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Speaker 1: he'd be a guy who would be answering questions, and

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Speaker 1: therefore he couldn't do that. Now we can ask ourselves

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Speaker 1: why in the world he would actually take the fifth

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Speaker 1: We have the data, we have the story, we have

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Speaker 1: his documentation, we know what he did, and he had

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Speaker 1: gotten a pardon, still taking the fifth, but before he does,

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Speaker 1: he gives an opening statement.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Member Peters, Members of the Committee. I served at

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Speaker 6: the NIH for over fifty four years, thirty eight of

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Speaker 6: those as Director of the National Institute of Allergy and

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Speaker 6: Infectious Diseases. Over that period, I proved that I believe

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Speaker 6: in and respect the value of legitimate congressional oversight. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I testified before and or briefed Senate and House Congressional

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Speaker 6: Senate and House committees well over two hundred times.

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Speaker 4: Over those thirty eight years. During and after COVID pandemic,

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Speaker 4: I have appeared multiple times for hearings in the Senate

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Speaker 4: and the House, usually under oath, and sat for several

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Speaker 4: days long transcribed sworn interviews answering questions about the very

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Speaker 4: issues that are now.

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Speaker 2: The subject of this hearing.

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Speaker 4: However, given Senator Paul's obvious obsession with calling for my prosecution,

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Speaker 4: his repeated slanderous comments about me, and recently his publicly

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Speaker 4: releasing my unredacted personal diary aimed at embarrassing and intimidating me,

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Speaker 4: the only conclusion I can reach is that the sole

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Speaker 4: reason he is calling me before this committee is to

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Speaker 4: get me to say something, anything that could vindicate his

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Speaker 4: repeated public pledges that I end up in his words

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Speaker 4: quote behind bars unquote, any reasonable person who has followed

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Speaker 4: his unhinged obsession with me would readily come to the

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Speaker 4: same conclusion. Therefore, although it pains me to do so,

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Speaker 4: because of the respect I have for the legislative branch

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Speaker 4: of government and my decades long record of cooperating with Congress,

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Speaker 4: under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my

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Speaker 4: right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain

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Speaker 4: from answering your questions. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to answer any questions, but before

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Speaker 1: I do, let me see how much I can impugne

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Speaker 1: and center around Paul.

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Speaker 2: And the best is I don't know how she got

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess anybody can get in.

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Speaker 1: Laura Ingram from Fox News is behind Fauci during this,

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Speaker 1: and some of the eye rolls it looks it's like

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Speaker 1: she's a meme.

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Speaker 2: Right there, it's pretty well done.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start where I start, which is well, I

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Speaker 1: guess we could start with saying that rand Paul is

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Speaker 1: guilty of slander, intimidation.

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Speaker 2: Obsession, unhinged.

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Speaker 1: What about this is obsession and intimidation and slander. It's

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Speaker 1: your diary, it's your words, it's your conversations, it's your notes.

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Speaker 1: What exactly about all of this could possibly be slander? Obsession?

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Speaker 2: You lied?

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Speaker 1: You lied, and as somebody who is out, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out what happened to what we did to

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Speaker 1: the country. Shouldn't we note the people who lied and

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Speaker 1: hold them to account. See only rational course, only rational course.

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Speaker 1: But I have to dig into this idea of unredacted

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Speaker 1: sharing my unredacted diary.

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Speaker 2: Now. I have had a couple people ask me in

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Speaker 2: the chat room.

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Speaker 1: I've had people on social media who keeps a diary?

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Speaker 1: And are you Tony the only person.

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Speaker 2: Who doesn't keep a diary? I don't have any. I

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Speaker 2: don't see.

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Speaker 1: Anything wrong with diaries, with having a journal, with writing

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Speaker 1: things down, not at all, notes of what happened during the.

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Speaker 2: Day, thoughts that you had.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a really helpful thing to go back and

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Speaker 1: look at your own notes. I talk about this in

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Speaker 1: the World of Cigars, about keeping a diary of what

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Speaker 1: you've been trying and flavors that you gots.

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Speaker 2: You can go back and look at things.

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Speaker 1: The idea of keeping notes of where you were whenever

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Speaker 1: I write somebody a note, if I send somebody a card,

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Speaker 1: I date it so people know when it came from.

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually an extremely good skill and one

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Speaker 1: that I would commend people to getting into. Do I

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Speaker 1: keep a diary, I do not. I have this show.

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Speaker 1: If I want to know what I was thinking at

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Speaker 1: any one moment, I could just go back through the shows.

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Speaker 1: Right the show is my diary. The show is also

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Speaker 1: my therapy. I would tell you, right now, get yourself

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Speaker 1: a show. It is helpful. Sometimes it'll drive you nuts,

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Speaker 1: but for the most part, very very helpful for keeping

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Speaker 1: blood pressure low. If the diary had been redacted, doctor Fauci.

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Speaker 2: Would that have been better? You mean, if we didn't.

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Speaker 1: Have the information, if we didn't have the data, if

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Speaker 1: we didn't have you on record, if we didn't have

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Speaker 1: proof of all of the things that you had said

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Speaker 1: privately contrary to what you had said publicly, then it

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Speaker 1: would have been fine. That's that is a very very

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Speaker 1: very weird argument. That is a strange, peculiar bit of nonsense.

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Speaker 1: It is because we have all this information that we

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Speaker 1: can say, my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Look what you have done.

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Speaker 1: Look what you have done, and what you have done

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Speaker 1: is unacceptable. And there are a lot of senators, Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Republicans showed up. One of the people who showed up,

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman, actually put on the suit and tie.

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Speaker 3: To say this, but one that I it's not about

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Speaker 3: much more your regrets, but I have one, and that

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Speaker 3: is early on that there was the theory that the

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Speaker 3: virus could have emerged from the lab. And early on

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Speaker 3: that became like a right wing kinds of theory, and

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Speaker 3: I thought it seemed to make sense. Now there was

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Speaker 3: a really advanced lab that was close by, and then

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Speaker 3: you have this unknown virus out. So but that became

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Speaker 3: a very partisan thing. And now it seems now it's

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Speaker 3: more and more emerging theory that that would have come

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Speaker 3: from from the lab. Now, you know, I hope I

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Speaker 3: think that the next time our nation's facing something like this,

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Speaker 3: we are not become you know, as I might have

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Speaker 3: been blinded by the partisan idea that maybe the truth

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Speaker 3: might come from a side that's different than you are.

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Speaker 3: But I think we should really be willing to pursue truth,

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Speaker 3: no matter where that may have emerged.

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Speaker 1: You know, After that is correct, we should not be

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Speaker 1: afraid to ask ourselves what is actually happening here? And

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Speaker 1: it may come from a different place than our ideological brethren.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't make it wrong. It doesn't make it wrong. And

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Speaker 1: yet that's where we're going. I mean, the hearing had

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Speaker 1: all sorts of nonsense associated with it, including the lawyer

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Speaker 1: for Anthony Fauci. Now there were a bunch of lawyers there.

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Speaker 1: He had a bunch of lawyers, and Senator rand Paul

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Speaker 1: makes note of this repeatedly. And one of them decided

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Speaker 1: to sit at the table with Fetterman. He wasn't asked

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Speaker 1: to sit at the table with Fedaman. He wasn't a witness,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't called as a witness, He had no ability

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Speaker 1: to speak, but he wanted to sit next to his clients,

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Speaker 1: a back and forth with Senator ran Paul, to which

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Speaker 1: Senator ran Paul is not having any of it. And

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Speaker 1: yet Democrats want to hear from.

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Speaker 5: The lawyer as you are not recognized security, we'll we'll

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Speaker 5: hold off, but you will respect these proceedings. You were

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Speaker 5: told not to sit at the table, You insist on

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Speaker 5: sitting at the table. And we told you you would

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Speaker 5: not be recognized. You are not invited here for testimony. Sir,

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Speaker 5: you are being disruptive. Would you behave this way in

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Speaker 5: a courtroom, No, because the judge would put you in jail.

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Speaker 5: I can't do that today, but I can have you

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Speaker 5: escorted for the premises. So I would say, sir, sit

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Speaker 5: you are not recognized. Another word and you're gone.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't sit so quietly. I mean he tries to

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Speaker 3: Mister chairman, I'd like to hear what the attorney has

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Speaker 1: That's Gary Peters, Democrat from Michigan, the guy not running

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Speaker 1: for reelection. He's not a witness. So this is a

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Speaker 1: great example of the politics. You're the senator, this is

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Speaker 1: your hearing. Do you not believe in the rules? And

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Speaker 1: the answer is, well, when it's politically disadvitageous, I don't

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Speaker 1: believe in the rules.

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Speaker 2: What kind of thing is this?

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Speaker 1: So Gary Peters, the ranking member says, I want to

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Speaker 1: hear from him, and Ran Paul's like, what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 5: He is not recognized by the committee or the chair.

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Speaker 5: If he speaks again, he will be removed from the room.

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Speaker 5: This testimony is from Anthony Fauci. This is not a

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Speaker 5: game with his lawyers. He can advise, his lawyers can

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Speaker 5: give him advice. He's got a half dozen here. They're

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Speaker 5: all allowed to talk to him. Yes, all right, but

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Speaker 5: the attorneys are not recognized. In fact, the attorney was

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Speaker 5: told not to sit at the table and he's not

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Speaker 5: obeying that recommendation. There's a row behind you, sir, that's

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Speaker 5: where you were told to sit, and you're not. And

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Speaker 5: now you're disrupting the proceedings. And so look, this is

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Speaker 5: the way Anthony Fauci wants to be remembered. For a lawyer,

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Speaker 5: not listening to the rules, that's the way you want

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Speaker 5: to be remembered.

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Speaker 2: And that's where you're going to do.

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Speaker 5: You are not recognized, sir. Of security police removing from

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Speaker 5: their rooms.

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Speaker 1: His briefcase, puts folded in the briefcase, and then he

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Speaker 1: he leaves, you should look at this and say, these

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Speaker 1: people are unserrious. We want the worst part about COVID, Well,

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Speaker 1: people did die. We took something that we should have

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Speaker 1: been working on together and we said, how do we

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Speaker 1: make it political? I can't say it enough. And here

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Speaker 1: we are knowing what we know about Fauci and how

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Speaker 1: he lied.

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Speaker 2: And they're still making it political.

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Speaker 1: I want to say again that the court of public

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Speaker 1: opinion is going to be very very clear here.

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Speaker 2: Guilty. Now.

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Speaker 1: As for the idea of a prosecution, the Senator Ran

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Speaker 1: Paul later spoke to the press about this, did.

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Speaker 5: You hold that's the.

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Speaker 7: Mootment that will happen in committee next week. It will

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Speaker 7: be in contempt of Congress. We believe that with his

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Speaker 7: liability is a unity from the criminal liability, that he

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Speaker 7: didn't need to hide by the Fifth Amendment, and that

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Speaker 7: maybe the Fifth Amendment doesn't attach when you have a

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Speaker 7: part in your place, and that'll be a legal question,

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Speaker 7: but the question on contemp will be voted on, and

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Speaker 7: then there's a question of whether or not the Department

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Speaker 7: of Justice will take that out. You know, I've recommended

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Speaker 7: before for his criminal prosecution, and neither the Biden DOJ,

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Speaker 7: Norden Trump DOJ I have taken it up. All I

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Speaker 7: can do is recommend prosecution.

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Speaker 2: I can't initiate prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Correct His hands are tied at that moment, and Fauci

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Speaker 1: may be very well just relying on that as.

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Speaker 2: A citizen he can.

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Speaker 1: Does the pardon preclude him from taking the fifth I

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Speaker 1: don't have an answer for you. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: claim to be a legal expert, right, Okay. I did

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Speaker 1: once see five episodes of Matt Locke, so I should

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Speaker 1: be pretty good. But I don't have the answer. And

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Speaker 1: the question is will the DOJ make a move? And

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Speaker 1: you also have to consider the political on that do

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Speaker 1: you make a move? Let me further the political do

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Speaker 1: you make the move before the midterms? These are real considerations,

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Speaker 1: But the court of public opinion.

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Speaker 2: This dude's guilty. We all damn well know it. I'm

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today