1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: This is track Side with Kirk Cavin and Kevin Lee 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: on ninety three to five and one oh seven five 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: the Fan. 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Tonight. We'll get right into it. No time for audio 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: in the open. It's the Power hour. We'll make use 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: of the time we have available before Cubs Baseball starts 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: just after eight o'clock Eastern that some of us may 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: be paying attention to. We've got a recap of the 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: five car evaluation day at mid Ohio last week and 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: what IndyCar testing is still to come. There's positive news 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: for teams on the economic front. Another new market has 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: emerged for a street race, a new job for Simon Pajano, 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: and some of your questions and comments via X or 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Twitter at Kevin Lee twenty three and at Kirk Cavin. 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. Thanks for joining us landon coons Is 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: in the studio. It's a Monday night edition of the 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: program Kevin Lee along with Kurk Cavin. While we're at it, 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: let's see today is October sixth. Next week the show 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: is scheduled for Tuesday, October fourteenth. So while Indiana Fever 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: season is unfortunately over, PACER's season has started and they 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: have a preseason clash tomorrow that will air here on 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: the radio station. So we will bounce around just a 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: little bit with pacer games. But apparently there is no 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: practice play coming up next Tuesday, or actually the rest 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: of the month. It appears to me that we will 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: be on Tuesdays according to this for the rest of 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: the calendar year. So there you go until we take 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: our Christmas vacation. We do have some racing this weekend. 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: We'll get into it a little bit, but it's petite 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: lamar m Siscott Dixon is going to be one of 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: the extra drivers in the number sixty Myer Shank Car 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: No Alex Poalo. I would say he's otherwise detained, but 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: when you're talking about a court case, I probably shouldn't 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: use the word detained. He's unavailable. He's got bigger things 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: to do. But Tristan Vodier, remember Tristan Vodier, who's carved 36 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: out a nice career in sportscar racing with drives here 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: and there. He's going to be the third driver in 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: the other Meyer Shank Carr. So we'll get into that 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: and some things a little bit later on as time permits. 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Noon on Saturday on NBC First three hours on NBC, 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: all ten and a half hours on Peacock, the first 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: three hours on Network Television, and we'll have qualifying in 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: the Michelin Pilot Challenge race on Friday as well on Peacock. 44 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'll start with this because this is 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: one of the topics that we'll lead into something. So 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: I Kurt managed the DVR successfully yesterday and stayed off 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: the Twitter and watched Red Zone Live for a while, 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: then watched the NASCAR race on USA because I like 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: the road course races and it's kind of like, you know, 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: I want to see it's like Alex Pollo when he races. 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: I want to see, can anybody beat SVG? And the 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: answer is no, no, at least not on a road court. 53 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: He won. He won by sixteen seconds. So here's the 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: interesting stats for this guy. In just his forty sixth 55 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 2: Cup start, he has six wins. This matches the fewest 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: starts to reach six wins. Since I'm going to say 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: Jeff Gordon, Jeff Gordon, how about a J foyt? 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: Oh wow? 59 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: You know, because Jeff did what he did basically the 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: full ninety three season. I think True True Drew. Yeah, 61 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: I think I think maybe he debuted at ninety two 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: and Richard Petty's last race at Atlanta did ninety three, 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: then won what Charlotte in ninety four, and then the 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: Brickyard I think was his second win. I could be 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: off on that, but I know it was his first 66 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: big win. 67 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's number two, and that's absolutely the timeline. I 68 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: didn't think about him running the full season in ninety three. 69 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: I should have known that there weren't enough races for 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: him to accomplish what SVG has just done. What is 71 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: he like five in a row on road courses? 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: Is that won the last five which matches Jeff Gordon 73 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: who won five straight road course races over this span 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: of like four years, because then they ran two per year. 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: So he's won the most by far in a season. 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: But that that foint in comparison. Most people aren't going 77 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 2: to get that. But then it makes some sense because 78 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: he only won the races that he was going to 79 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: have a chance to win. He was generally going to 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: be in good equipment, but he did that. He won 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: his sixth in nineteen seventy two, which was his forty 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: sixth start over what probably eight years, I don't know 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: when aj started doing NASCAR races, but probably in the 84 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: sixty four, sixty five, sixty six range in there, so 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: that was an interesting one as well. And then Connor 86 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: Zilich won his tenth race of the season in Infinity 87 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: and that's where we'll lead us back to our with 88 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Indy Car and the five hundred, and we talked about 89 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: how there are just a limited number of seats available, 90 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: and we chatted last week that you know, my best 91 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: guess was that Ryan Hunter Ray would probably be in 92 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: the fourth McLaren car. And you say, I think maybe 93 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: he'll still end up with drying Ryan Bold did at 94 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: asking around and now I see why you. You might 95 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: have heard that he may be testing for drying Ryan 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: Bold at Indianapolis. So I went and asked some sources 97 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: what happened, and then I did get a few people 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: to tell me, yeah, it wasn't just common sense. We've 99 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: also heard that he was headed to McLaren, that that 100 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: was all but done. So maybe that still happens. I'm 101 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: not going to say it doesn't happen. And I have 102 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: and I'll say this too. I have some pretty good 103 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: sources within that team. Jack Harvey is not one of them, 104 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: so I didn't really get into direct sources. I'm not 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: going to put Jack in that position where he either 106 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: tells me and I can't say anything, or doesn't want 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: to tell me to get in trouble. So I have 108 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: not traded messages with Jack in quite some time, other 109 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: than congratulations on your deal being done, which had been 110 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: done for a little while, but it got announced recently. 111 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: So that's not one of my sources. Dennis rein Bold 112 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: is not one of you know, I have secondary sources, 113 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: so who knows. But it makes me think, And this 114 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: is what's more fun about it is speculation because just 115 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: to go win the race and give yourself the best 116 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: chance to win Ryan Hunterray makes sense. But what doesn't 117 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: make sense are the dollars in cents? So what are 118 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: McLaren's priorities for that extra seat? I had heard it 119 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: could be had for two million dollars, which is about 120 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: a half a million more than what is generally the 121 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: going rate. But they know it's going to be a 122 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: good seat. Have they found someone to bring budget? Because 123 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: I don't know who they could find. I would say 124 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: Connor Daily is another one. Connor could be in that 125 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: both situation where Connor is there with Ryan Hunterray. Now 126 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't have a win like Ryan Hunter Ray, but 127 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: he's very accomplished. But we don't think Ryan is attached 128 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: to a sponsor. Connor, especially in a McLaren car, could 129 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: raise that pretty quickly. So I start with him. But 130 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: it's not because someone has said I think Connor is 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: in that seat. That's just who's the best available and 132 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: who can raise some money do they want to splash? 133 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: One theory I've heard is that it was a lot 134 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: of work managing the partnership with Henrick, not necessarily Kyle Larson, 135 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: but there's just a lot of people and think about 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: it from this and this wasn't cited as an example, 137 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: but it's one I would use. They didn't know an 138 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: hour before the race in twenty twenty three whether the 139 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: driver is going to be able to participate. Now, granted 140 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: rain got in the way of things, but that just 141 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: had to take a lot of time and effort. And 142 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: I've heard they don't really want to go down that 143 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: path again, But that's the path I'm going to bring 144 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: up as a possibility, and where I get back to 145 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: Connor Zilich, And we've thrown his name out there before 146 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: he's someone that I think has said I'd like to 147 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: do the Indy five hundred. Justin Marx is basically his boss, 148 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: and Justin Marx has told me and many other people, 149 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: I want to do the Indy five hundred. I want 150 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: to program there. Kind of thought it would always be 151 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: more on his own. And I don't know if McLaren 152 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: would let you brand it track House McLaren or track 153 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: House Aera McLaren anything else, but maybe. And then here's 154 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: another reason why he gave me pause to think about 155 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: Connor Zilich. Again. If I didn't hear Kevin Harvick's podcast, 156 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: I should watch. He's in the Fox Family. But he 157 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: said on the most recent episode, who was it they 158 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: had on? Oh maybe it was. Was it a Kyle 159 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: Larson or something? They were just kind of talking about 160 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: who would be the next driver to do it, and 161 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: he mentioned he still said I think Kyle Busch would 162 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: do it, but he mentioned Connor Zilich and he said 163 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: he should do it now. And this made a lot 164 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: of sense because if you do it like Larson in 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: the middle of your career. Oh, it was Bob Pocras 166 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: was the guest. He was asking Bob from Fox Sports, 167 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: and Bob responded with, well, don't you think you want 168 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: to have a little more leverage and have won a 169 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Cup title before you go off and do extracurriculars. And 170 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: Kevin Harvick's reasoning was, no, you actually want to do 171 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: it early in your career, before you are expected to 172 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: win a Cup title where you maybe don't have as 173 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: many other life distractions as well that a nineteen or 174 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: a twenty year old does as a rookie. Next year, 175 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: Connor Zillach should not be expected to make should not 176 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: be expected to win the Cup title. Now maybe he does, 177 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: or maybe he at least makes it into the play. 178 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if that's just sound reasoning or does 179 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: maybe Kevin Harvick knows something. He also said, by the way, 180 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: that Connor Zilich is the one from our world that 181 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: could have done F one, and I remember throwing his 182 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: name out over the winner that if he was willing 183 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: to do it, I could have seen Andrette ETWG Motorsports 184 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: Cadillac F one doing like the Colton hurd a deal 185 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: putting him in an F two car to learn more 186 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: about Formula car racing. But he's getting paid a lot 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: of money to drive stock cars right now, so that's 188 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: a little risky. 189 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: Well, and you say all that because he has you know, 190 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: he had such a good karting career to begin with. 191 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: That's really you know, he sort of comes from the 192 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: world that that was his path. Yeah, that's his path, 193 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and it certainly aligns very well. He has said, at 194 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: least to the best of mine recollection, that I would 195 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: like to do the ND five hundred. The only thing 196 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: is that I can shoot a hole in the the 197 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Harvick and this is a wild shot. To the negative 198 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: is or to the theory is that I think he 199 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: will be a championship contender next year. I mean he's won. 200 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: He's won ten of the twenty eight Infinity races. I 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: mean he this is an Infinity season pursuit like we've 202 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: not seen in recent years. Ten wins already. He's won 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: at Indianapolis on the Oval, he's won at Gateway, he's 204 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: won at Portland. I'm thinking he's won. You know, he's 205 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: got as many wins on IndyCar tracks as anybody not 206 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: named not named Alex Below or Kyle Kirkwood this year. 207 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: So it's anyway, it's interesting. I think I think Justin 208 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: Marx will be the path. It is interesting that he 209 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: drives for JR Motorsports or Junior Motorsports, depending on how 210 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: you call it. And you know Hendrick's done this. Hendricks 211 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: a cohenner of that team, and Dale Junior is very 212 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: intrigued by Indy as well. But I think Justin Marx 213 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: is the path, and I think that Justin Marx is 214 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: going to want to do it as a track house deal. 215 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: I just don't know that. I don't know that. I 216 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: just have that sense. He seems like and I don't 217 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: know Justin very well, but I just feel like that 218 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: would be it would he would want that to be 219 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: a track house deal, not an arrow McLaren deal. 220 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: Maybe it can be, though it can be. It could 221 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: be for the right amount of money. So it's two 222 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: million if you want to drive a McLaren car, it's 223 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: four million if you want to own the whole program, 224 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: and then it becomes a track house McLaren entry. You 225 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: know what is your name goes first. And in reality, 226 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: he's going to need to do that. He's not going 227 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: to once because he's going to want to be competitive. 228 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: He's going to have to partner with the thought had 229 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: always been Chip Ganassi Racing. He gave Chip forty million 230 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: dollars or something like that for the NASCAR charters, and 231 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: he drove for Chip previously, so that made some sense, 232 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: and that could still happen because Chip could run an 233 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: extra car next year, because I don't think they're going 234 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: to have a team in sports car racing again next year. 235 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: That's one of the other sports car developments is that 236 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: I thought maybe they would get the Ford contract, but 237 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: Ford is going to run it in house as a 238 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: full factory program in wek and May. They've not announced 239 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: EMSE yet, but they assumingly would come to IMSA. So 240 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that Ganassi has a sports car program 241 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: again next year. I think they are doubling their Indie 242 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: Next entries, which is how we're going to get to 243 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: twenty four as a Max, and I think there's a 244 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: good chance that that happens. 245 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: I think it's got to be Aera McLaren over Chip 246 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: Ganassi Racing, because that's a Chevy program. They're a Chevy team, 247 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: They're a Chevy. I mean, he's been a Chevy year, 248 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: doesn't it. Yeah, it's it's I just don't see how 249 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: you know a Chevy Cup driver is going to go 250 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: get to run a Honda in Indy five hundred right now. 251 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: So that's just a theory out there right now. And 252 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: one so while McLaren Aaron McLaren might love to have 253 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: the knowledge and teammate capabilities of Ryan Hunter Ray, if 254 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: and Justin Marx is magnificent at raising money, he could 255 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: raise the money for the attention that he knows how 256 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: to generate and that Connor Zilich is going to generate. 257 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that'll be hard raising a couple of 258 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: million dollars for Zillage to run the Indy five hundred. 259 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: So if you're mclaar and you're looking at all, right, 260 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: we can pay or find the sponsorship for Ryan Hunterray 261 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: to run, or we can get paid to have Connor 262 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: Zillach and maybe develop a relationship where he does this 263 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: thing two or three times and you know, maybe it's 264 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: not every year, maybe it depends on where he's at, 265 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: But wouldn't you like to have that as a part 266 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: of your program. This guy might be the best that 267 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: we've seen in a long time to be a lot 268 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: to be determined on that, but he's on that path 269 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: to be the latest as good as slice bread, you 270 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: know kind of thing. So anyway, we'll just keep an 271 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: eye on that moving forward, and who knows, maybe this 272 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: is all subterfuge and Hunter Ray ends up back in 273 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: a McLaren car at some point, but I'd like to 274 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: see him stay with with Dryan Rein. But mostly I 275 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: just won him in the race, and I was kind 276 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: of excited about that because that would open up a 277 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: seat if Connor Daily doesn't get a full time seat, 278 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: that would be a good place for him to be, 279 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: to be back at Dryan Reinbold in a really good car. 280 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: So those are a couple of things going on. We 281 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: had some young drivers and some not quite as young 282 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: that probably aren't headed to Indy Car test at mid Ohio. 283 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: The evaluation day quote evaluation for former Formula One driver 284 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: for Lee by Nazer, who was a multi time champion 285 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: in imsub He was the quickest of the day, but 286 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: just barely over Neil's Colan. The indie next driver for 287 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: Chip Ganassi Racing was three hundreds of a second off 288 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: the best LAFE time of Felipe Nasser. This is what 289 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: I from what I have, and I think this is 290 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: courtesy of racer dot Com, but I saw some other 291 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: outlets had posted some times as well. Kyle Collette was 292 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: another tenth Yeah, about a tenth off in the aj 293 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: Foyd car. Kaku Ota Honda driver for Meyer Shank Racing 294 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: was about a half a second off. Actually those are 295 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: morning times. Yeah, I need to find some and then 296 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: Dennis Hower because what I'm looking at has no time 297 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: because it looks like Dennis Hauger crashed on pretty much 298 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: the outlap and then I think crashed again later but 299 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: did have pretty representative time. So I think I've got 300 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: a screenshot of the final times from somewhere else in there. 301 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: What stands out to me one Neil's Colon two. We 302 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: don't know how many tires everybody used. Maybe Nils threw 303 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: on a sticker set every eight laps or something like that, 304 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: but still you have to produce the time. I like 305 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: what I saw from Kyle Collette, and we expected him 306 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: to be good enough. Now, which is going to come 307 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 2: down to whether they can all find the budgets. But 308 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: if they can find the budget, I would think Floyd 309 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: would find that he's pretty acceptable. 310 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: So we'll get to testing next week. But Kyle Colet's 311 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: going to go again with Foight. I mean, I think 312 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: that's the one that makes sense as we start to 313 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: watch this landscape for twenty twenty six start to materialize 314 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: in a concrete manner, I think Kyle Collette seems to 315 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: me to be headed for a full time job with 316 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: with AJ Foyt racing in next season's calendar, alongside Santino Ferrucci, 317 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: So that that starts to give us some additional clarity, 318 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, And I've thought a lot of this talent. 319 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: I thought his you know, you watch the next race 320 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: is even closer than I did. But I think I 321 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: think he's got a shot. I think he's got a 322 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: shot to be to hold his own next year if 323 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: he can get that full time. See, it pretty much 324 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: generally comes down to budget. You know they're going to end, 325 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: but it is a pendulum. It's not that, you know, 326 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: what they'd love to have is a really good driver 327 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: who brings ten million dollars. That's what a proper program costs, 328 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: and you could pretty easily spend eleven or twelve and 329 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: doing it on the cheap now is probably six seven. 330 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: Million, and I'm not sure that's even possible, but somewhere 331 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: in that range. So you know, anybody of his caliber 332 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: that can bring six million plus is going to be 333 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: hired immediately. That's just going to happen. Now. The question though, 334 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: is all right, what if he only has two or 335 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: three million? Is Foyd willing to subsidize? Can they make 336 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: that work to find him the seat? Because I know 337 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: it was not a snap of the finger for him 338 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: to find the anywhere between eight hundred thousand and one 339 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: point five million it costs for the Indie Next program. 340 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: That was a challenge for he and his supporters, and 341 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: it was like most of them touch and go at times. 342 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: So it's not like he can just generate three million 343 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: dollars immediately. Here's what I see from Jefferson Kern who 344 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: had had some pictures. Jefferson I think is a brazil 345 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: maybe a Brazilian journalist, and he had NASA Quickest, then Kyo, 346 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: then Hauger third quick, then Neil's Colon. So those are 347 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: the morning times I posted. So Colin was nine tenths off, 348 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: and then kaku Oda was one point one second soft. 349 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: But Nazar Collette, it looks like Collette was only tenth off. 350 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: Felipe Nazar in a Penske car. So you're getting something 351 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: done there. So that was a positive test and I'm 352 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: happy to hear that he's going to get another go. 353 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: Getting to go a second time tells me that they 354 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: are serious about this, and there looks like there is 355 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: at least a potential path toward making that happen. A 356 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: week from today, right is the next time we're going 357 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: to see somebody in any car at the Indianapolis Motor 358 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: Speedway next Monday on the road course. It's been previously 359 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: reported and actually confirmed by all parties that Mick Schumacher 360 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: is going to be in a ray Hall Letterman Landinggan car, 361 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: and I think we all also agree that's not just 362 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: making use of the evaluation day, that this is a 363 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: proper tryout to see how he goes, see how he 364 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: likes it, and then maybe see if they can find 365 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: the funding to back him. Yeah, I think we know 366 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: about anybody else. Do we know about anybody else that's 367 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: going to be there? 368 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Well, Kyle koalit and there'll be a couple of evaluation drivers, 369 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: Lackey Hughes being one of them. Dennis Hager would get 370 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: a second chance in a dale Coin car. ECR is 371 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: going to use the test day I'm going to have 372 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: its two drivers on the track, and I think there's 373 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: still one more. 374 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to let him use their current driver. CCR 375 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: is using Rossi and Ras. 376 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, who goes Hollinger is going to do that? 377 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: Surprises me a little bit. 378 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: Who goes Hollinger is going to do a car? And 379 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: I'll let them. I don't think that one's been announced. 380 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to let that one stand out there for 381 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: a few more days and let them let them announce it. 382 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: But good for them, it's a driver evaluation. His son no, no, no, no. 383 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: Well his son just did a day the next car 384 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: and his son just won British F four race. So 385 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: that's a big leap to go from British F four 386 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: uh to Indy car. So who was it? It's a 387 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 2: sports car driver. I think Marshall Pru had had this 388 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: that they were meant to do something. It was a 389 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: Nico Varoni that they were trying to do something with 390 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: at mid Ohio and it didn't happen. So Nico Varoni 391 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: is from Argentina, so there's a connection there and he 392 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: will be at so I'll ask Nico this weekend. He'll 393 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 2: be at Petite Lama running as the third driver on 394 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: the number four Corvette team a Tommy Milder Niki Katzberg. 395 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: But he is a very well regarded former junior formula 396 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: driver who has well, I think he's done some maybe 397 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: F one testing or something like that, but he is 398 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: a very highly rated talent. So that name has been 399 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: out there and there is the connection from Argentina like 400 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: Ricardo Hunko. 401 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: So we shall see a couple days of testing this 402 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: week actually before we get to next Monday at Worldwide 403 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: Technology Raceway. We'll see the debut in an official debut 404 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: because we actually have seen David Malucas in a Team 405 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: Penske car previously. That was in an evaluation day a 406 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and he is one of the 407 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: couple three at least two that I know of that'll 408 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: be at Worldwide Technology Raceway tomorrow and Wednesday, I believe, 409 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: for the two days. So we'll see how David likes that. 410 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to much to talk about tomorrow. 411 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: It's got to be like, you know, kid in a 412 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: candy store, first day of school, whatever you want to 413 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: describe it. I think his excitement is going to be 414 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: off the charts and we'll see Big Dave, Little Dave 415 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: go to Big Dave as he transitions to a Team 416 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Penske driver. 417 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: By the way, going back to the Middle Ohio test, 418 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 2: I think the reports were that Kyle Kollett was the 419 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: only one who did not crash. Now, some of the 420 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: crashes were not significant. I saw a picture of one 421 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: of Hawger's and it was pretty significant. But not only 422 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: was he quick, but he didn't cause any damage. So 423 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 2: that's always a positive and that helps you get an 424 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: extra test. 425 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: One thing about the Japanese driver, he was the only 426 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: one who had not been to midd Ohio previously, so 427 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: that he was last of five or six, you know, 428 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't really be a surprise. I hear great things about him. 429 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: He is third in the super Formula Japan formula series 430 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: where Alex Plot came from. He's got three wins already. 431 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of the next rising star of 432 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: Japanese drivers. And you know, I think he's got a 433 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: shot not in twenty twenty six, but twenty seven. It 434 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: seems like a possibility. 435 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: Good well, if he has a shot in twenty seven, 436 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: that would bode well for Honda. Still continuing because I 437 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: don't think he's going to be here if Honda is 438 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: not a part of IndyCar, because I believe their contract 439 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: ends at the end of twenty six, still believe burning 440 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: questions that this. I feel like this has been decided 441 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: and they are doing a fantastic job of keeping it 442 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: quiet because we don't know about their participation in NASCAR either, 443 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: and I don't know if they can do both. And 444 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: the entree in the NASCAR is generally the truck series. 445 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: You start out there and then you eventually make your 446 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: way up to Cup And that seemed to be a 447 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: foregone conclusion over a year ago that they were headed. 448 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: And then one of the theories was they found out 449 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: what that was going to cost, and it is significantly 450 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: more than what IndyCar will cost. And you know, you 451 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: can debate the merits of which one is better, which 452 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: one is not. You know, there's a cool factor involved 453 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: with IndyCar, but a stock car looks more like a 454 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: car that you're going to sell, so pluses and minuses. 455 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: You know, one has the Indy five hundred, one has 456 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: a lot of events. But you know, now we're to 457 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: the point IndyCar ratings, at least once you get to 458 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: football are not far off of what Cup races are. 459 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: They're getting one four to one seven four races on 460 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: cable because they have a long schedule and they have 461 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 2: to go against the NFL. And I'm telling you, if 462 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: somehow they could magically make their season ends when Indy 463 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: Cars does, they would do it because it is a 464 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: losing battle if television ratings matter, especially if you're on cable. 465 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: And it's an another reason why the IndyCar television deal 466 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: was masterful to get every single race on network television. 467 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: So even a bad day is still a good day, 468 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: you know. Now IndyCar is getting half on bad days 469 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: of what NASCAR is getting on their bad days. They 470 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: used to get a fifth of what NASCAR was getting. 471 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think I'm a great example of it. 472 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, I certainly follow racing on on multiple levels, 473 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: but I watched probably five football games over the weekend, 474 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: and there's. 475 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: Just not to work hard. I had to work hard 476 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: to watch the NASCAR race, and I felt I wanted 477 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: to see it. I hadn't watched a race in like 478 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: three weeks, and I felt bad. Those are all my 479 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: friends on that broadcast, the producer, the director, you know, 480 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: Diffy everybody, and I feel like, and I also understand 481 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: that's my business. I'm not really in the football business anymore, 482 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: but i still like to watch football. So that's the 483 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: challenge that they have. And you know, I saw Denny 484 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: Hamlin had some pointed comments and they took the money 485 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: they took. That's what you get when you do cable. 486 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: They're going to pay you more than being on network television. 487 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: And they have I think nine more years of this 488 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: deal or something like that where they only have six 489 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: or seven races a year on network television, and I 490 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: feel like they're all going to panic and are they 491 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: going to change the playoff structure? You know, if there 492 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: wasn't a playoff situation. I found yesterday's race interesting as 493 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: to whether Ross Chasteam was going to make it or 494 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: a star a champion in Joey Logano. That came down 495 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: to the very final lap, the final corner as to 496 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: who was going to make that. Had they not had that, 497 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: You've got SBG, a guy not in the playoffs, winning 498 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: by fifteen seconds, and then what you have, So it 499 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: did lead you to something for this particular race. I'm 500 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: intrigued to see what a full season points system would 501 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: be like, and they're thinking about it again because they 502 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 2: feel like they got to do something. I'm told at 503 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year that was not in play 504 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: that maybe we'll tweak the playoff structure, but we would 505 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: never think about going back to the old system. I 506 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: think it's still more likely it's a change to a 507 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: playoff system. But this just simple points. And that's the 508 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: other thing. I'm in the business, and it's confusing me too, 509 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: playoff points and how does it work? And I saw 510 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: something today that they're not even sure if the graphic 511 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: was correct, that Chastain was maybe in when he decided 512 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: to pile drive Denny Hamlin to get that spot in 513 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: the last corner. So sometimes, when you know people have 514 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: a hard time watching thirty six straight weeks or thirty 515 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: six out of thirty eight, maybe you do want to 516 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: go back to some simplicity. There's no perfect answer. I 517 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: feel for him. Yeah, I agree with you. It's between 518 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: stage points and chase points, and you know, I can't 519 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: keep all that in my head with thirty six cars, 520 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: you know, much less watch thirty six races. All right, 521 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: some business of IndyCar, some positive news on that, and 522 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: we'll get to your tweets. Up next track side ninety 523 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: three to five one oh seven five to the fan. Hi, 524 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: this is Scott McLachlin and you'll listen to trackside on 525 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: ninety three five and one I seven five the fan. Okay. 526 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: Another item from Racer Magazine last week. This was very 527 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: pleasant news to read that. Marshall Proud writes that multiple 528 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: sources tell Racer Penske Entertainment recently informed its entrance of 529 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: a plan to add five hundred thousand dollars to each 530 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: Leader Circle contract for twenty twenty six, to rise to 531 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: nearly one point seven million dollars per contract, would represent 532 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: the largest year to year increase since the program is 533 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: created in two thousand and two. It's been thought to 534 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: be about a million here at this point, and he 535 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 2: mentions in the article that likely no coincidence since Fox 536 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: purchased thirty three percent of the series, so Penske Entertainment 537 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: may be reinvesting. Nothing official yet. You may not be 538 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: able to comment because you've not been asked, You've not 539 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: written a press release yet. Since this out right, it 540 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: seems like pretty solid information and no one has refuted 541 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: this at this point. 542 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not been asked to edit or write press 543 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: release or even read it. So I've not seen it 544 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: other than what Marshall wrote. And you know, obviously, you know, 545 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: you've got to think about the infrastructure of your program, 546 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, and that includes maybe even starts with your participants. 547 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: So the better what the better shape they're in, the 548 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: better shape you're in. So it always makes good sense 549 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: to invest in your stakeholders, employees, however you want to 550 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: phrase your constituents. 551 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: So now you're up to that is getting close to being, 552 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: you know, fifteen percent or so of a reasonable budget, 553 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: and it is something that is basically everybody found a 554 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: half a million dollar sponsor, which is not Jump Change. 555 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: So that is a significant deal and that's what we 556 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: want to see in that regard new races. Sports Business 557 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: Journal reported that IndyCar is exploring a potential street course 558 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: race in Cleveland for twenty twenty eight, according to a 559 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: survey sent to local leaders that was seen by SBJ. 560 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: So I think, I'll say, and by the way, it's 561 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: not Burke Lakefront Airports, different location. I don't know if 562 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: that's not viable anymore. I was never there. Is that 563 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: close to downtown? Is that close to stuff? It is, 564 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: it is okay, so maybe it's not viable anymore, or 565 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: maybe they figure light figure something else would be a 566 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: little more aesthetically pleasing, would be literally walking distance from 567 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: restaurants and so forth. Here's what I will say. I 568 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: think Fox has made it clear that they're looking to 569 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: help create big events, but we'll probably see more of these. 570 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: I would just take a map where there are NFL 571 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: stadiums and just say any one of these is a possibility. 572 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: And who knows how deep along the lines this is. 573 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because somebody leaked it. I have no 574 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: idea whether this is real or not, but I would 575 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: think they either have or will kick the tires on 576 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: every major market where there is a great, big parking 577 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: lot in a football stadium that is somewhere close to things. 578 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: So cross off landover Maryland. That's not close to a 579 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 2: lot of things. But those are the types of things 580 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: that they're looking and it's not going to be fourteen 581 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: races like that. They're going to want to try to 582 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: find the two or three best that come together, because 583 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: you're going to have to cast a wide net to 584 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: find those one or two or three because as we 585 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: all know, there are a lot of obstacles in the 586 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: way to being able to get a temporary event completed. 587 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about that. I was going 588 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: through the NFC teams and their stadiums because that's where 589 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: Fox is dominantly plays during football season. Is in the NFC, 590 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: not the AFC. Cleveland's in AFC, Denver is an AFC. 591 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, it's just interesting. 592 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: Has Denver changed because when I first started hearing about this, 593 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: I had not heard that they were building a new stadium. 594 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: They are building a new stadium. 595 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, does that change things? Yeah, I'm not sure, but 596 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: we know how that went in Tennessee. If they build 597 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: a new stadium, that means there's no no place available 598 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: for the next little while. So yeah, we'll need to 599 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: have some more update on those things. As you know, 600 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: they're never done until they're done. Mexico City, Poto Award. 601 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Was on. 602 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Was it Connor's podcast? He was on some sort of 603 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: podcast and he wants Mexico City to be the opener 604 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: for IndyCar And you know, as we've said before, Poto 605 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: does not mix words. He's direct, He's not going to 606 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: cover for anyone. And his basic response has been yeah, 607 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: with the options that were available. This was not winnable 608 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: for IndyCar. The option to run there in twenty six 609 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: was not good, so we need to make it right. 610 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: He wants it to be the season opener at the 611 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: end of February. Only problem that there is we have 612 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: a pretty good event that runs at the end of 613 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: February in the beginning of March. So I get you 614 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: got to look out for number one, and if I'm Potto, 615 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 2: I want that to be the season opener too. But 616 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: unless there's some financial benefit for IndyCar that supersedes everything else, 617 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm not super interested in bumping a well established events 618 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: in America. Now, can we make if Phoenix doesn't work out, 619 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 2: which that's all tbd? How this does, Week two could 620 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: be open, but I would prefer if that is still 621 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: the date February twenty seventh of March, seconds that you 622 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: stick with what works now. If Mexico City can go 623 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: a week or two earlier, which we'd all like to do. 624 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 2: We'd all like to see the season start a little 625 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: bit earlier, get some more races in, or shorten the 626 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: off season a little bit than fine. But if it's 627 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: just booting Saint Pete, I don't know that that's the 628 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: best option in my mind. 629 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: Well, I would agree with that. I would. I would 630 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: caution you to say that Saint Pete has not always 631 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: been that early in March, and it has not always 632 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: been the season opener. So so those two things are true. 633 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: But I think I would want to start in the 634 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: US from a just a media standpoint, from you know, 635 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: if I could start, if I could start in Saint Petersburg, 636 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: that would be my preference. 637 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: Now as I think out loud, Saint Pete used to 638 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: enjoy being on Indiana spring break time, and they might 639 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 2: welcome being the second week, but then you run into 640 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: potentially going head to head with Seabring. You know, when 641 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: you're March first ish, you know you're never going to 642 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: go head to head with Seabring. Used to be oftentimes 643 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 2: one week apart the. 644 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: First the first eleven or twelve years of the of 645 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: the IndyCar Saint Pete because they did run one year 646 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: under the cart banner, but after the IndyCar Series began 647 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: there they ran eleven or twelve years. The first first 648 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: eleven or twelve years was the last weekend of March 649 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: or the first couple of days of April, so it 650 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: was essentially a month later in the schedule. So you know, 651 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: it's only been the last you know, really last year 652 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: was the first time they went to March, you know, 653 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: like March second, and you know they've done that that 654 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: first week of March here now a couple times. But 655 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: I even did a February race. But you know, typically, 656 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: or at least for most of this event's history, it's 657 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: been the end of March, which which is the Indiana's 658 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: Midwest spring break time. 659 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 2: Yep, it's working pretty well where it's at, and so 660 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 2: I need to hear more though, you know, if we 661 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 2: can be convinced that this Mexico City Race is going 662 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: to be awesome and it just slots in quite well 663 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: to have somewhere else, but ideally you're opening up in 664 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: America unless I think, unless it gets your season started earlier. 665 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 2: All right, bring back Chicago in is the Twitter? Not Jacob? Sorry? 666 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 2: What's Indy next? Testing that auto been Ali had four? 667 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 2: Is it a general test day for the teams with 668 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: Penske buy any tracks from NASCAR if they lose the 669 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 2: trial against twenty three to eleven. If the judge forced 670 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 2: NASCAR to sell So the test at Autobon a couple 671 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: of weeks ago. Is just an evaluation test day for 672 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: Indie Next teams for drivers that have not driven an 673 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 2: Indie Next car before. Don't see. That's not going to 674 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: be a race location. It's just an approved track where 675 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 2: junior Formula team, sports car teams and so forth can test. 676 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: I cannot see Penske buying any more tracks. I believe 677 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 2: they have enough going on at this point because they 678 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 2: could just rent them. If they feel like they want 679 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: to control an event, they can just rent it for 680 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 2: the day. 681 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see that. You know, they're as far 682 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: as you know tracks or I guess venues where IndyCar 683 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: has been in the past that's still like Richmond is 684 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: the one that you would discuss as opposed to a 685 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: Chicago land or you know, maybe being somewhere else. Autubon, 686 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: I believe, is the place where Bobby Rainghall has a garage, 687 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: mahal kind of thing he does. Yeah, that's loyalty and 688 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: I've been there to see Bobby's place, and you know 689 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: that's that's not an IndyCar racetrack. 690 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 2: So Hector Serrano asked this last week after you left, 691 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 2: so you can look into this is the FIA going 692 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 2: you get the call to take over IndyCar officiating. What's 693 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 2: the word on this? It's almost October now, it is October. 694 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: Not really in a hurry on my part, but is 695 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: there something in the works, so you let us know 696 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: when you hear on that front of it. Who is 697 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: taking over IndyCar officiating next year. 698 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: They're just dying to tell me, to tell tracks what's 699 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: happening with that. But it, like the Honda thing, it 700 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: is something. You know, we've been kind of waiting to 701 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: hear what the what the resolution is because they have 702 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 1: been they have just you know, Doug Bowles has talked 703 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: about this on a number of occasions, but we don't 704 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,959 Speaker 1: yet have clarification on how this is going to look. 705 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 2: They got a lot of things to work on at 706 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 2: this point. 707 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: I sure do. 708 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 2: From Ken one k Moose will be a good street 709 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: course race to a ten IndyCar next season. I've only 710 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 2: been to Ovals well, I love Saint Pete and Long Beach. 711 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: Don't know anything about the new Toronto events, so we'll 712 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 2: all find out together on that. 713 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a Long Beach is just a lot 714 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: of fun. Saint Pete just always feels good based on 715 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: the weather and so forth. I was looking at the 716 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: looking at the list. Yeah, I mean I think I 717 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: think Saint Pete is the answer. I think I think 718 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: Arlington is going to have a lot of buzz. I 719 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: think you're going to find. I mean it is you're 720 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: talking about conveniently located to you know a lot of 721 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: things that are fun. I think I think Arlington takes 722 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: those boxes. 723 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: But I just none of us can speak to what 724 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 2: the sitelines are unless you purchase a correct and you 725 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: know how expensive this hospitality and things along that regard. 726 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 2: I like Detroit, but I don't know that people would 727 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 2: put that, as you know, super high up on their 728 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 2: You know, one thing with Detroit you get is you 729 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 2: get an m's a race too, if that's important to 730 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 2: you to see some extra racing, which is what you 731 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 2: can also get a long beach. It's tough, so I'll 732 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 2: say this about street races. It's tough to just have 733 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 2: a GA ticket and really get a good look at 734 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: the track. So if you do a GA, you're just 735 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 2: there to walk about and experience the event. But if 736 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 2: you want to have some good vantage points from GA, 737 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: you're going to a place like barber Well Road America 738 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 2: where you don't need to buy a ticket, you just 739 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 2: walk around and you're going to have plenty of good 740 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 2: places where you can see things. Whereas I found it 741 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 2: at Saint Pete, I think you need to get up 742 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: in that grandstand at the exit of turn one if 743 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 2: you really want to see what's happening. There are some 744 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 2: places where the media center is what's that building that's 745 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 2: not is that the Mahafe Theater. 746 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: It is the Mahaffe Theater. 747 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 2: So along there you can see them coming down Lake 748 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 2: Shore whatever the road is called. They're the one that 749 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: goes into Turn ten and Dan Weldon Way. You get 750 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 2: a good glimpse of the cars there, and that's where 751 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people just ga kind of congregate, and 752 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 2: I think there might be a video board there where 753 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 2: you can kind of hang out as as well. 754 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: I think if I was just going to an event 755 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: to feel the vibe, though, I'd go to Long Beach. 756 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: I mean, there is so much, There is so much 757 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: going on, and you can walk to the to the 758 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: paddocks and you know, you can you can really be 759 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: a part of the event without actually seeing the race cars. 760 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 2: Alex came in seventeen seventy six says, why did the 761 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 2: hype of the hybrid die off and the race day 762 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 2: discussion about it shoes during the broadcast fall off to 763 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 2: basically nothing? Watching races on Fox after the five hundred, 764 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 2: the guy's hardly ever mentioned it. I don't know that 765 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 2: we find it super interesting. So I'm not involved in 766 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 2: that conversation because I'm not in the booth. That's more 767 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 2: of a booth led discussion. But I don't think it's 768 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 2: enough to really I think the feeling would be this 769 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: is not going to get we like to talk about 770 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 2: Aunt Linda. What's going to interest Aunt Linda. We're trying 771 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: to bring new people in and grow the audience, and 772 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: confusing them and overwhelming them about hybrid probably is not 773 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 2: the way to do it. They've already got us and 774 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 2: they have me, and I don't care about hybrid. Hybrid 775 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 2: is here because it was important to one of the manufacturers. 776 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 2: It's important to the auto industry as well. I get it. 777 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 2: I get why that's important to say your car is hybrid. 778 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 2: That does seem to be the future, was it? The 779 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 2: head of four just recently said, yeah, this electric thing 780 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 2: ain't working, but we do see a future in hybrid. 781 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:13,479 Speaker 2: So I think we're all wrestling with why we really 782 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 2: want to spend a whole lot of time on this. 783 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 2: There's only so much time available. 784 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: Well, even the even the conversation about just push to 785 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: pass in general is it. There's a couple points during 786 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: a race where it would come up, but it's not 787 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: like it's a huge Everybody kind of uses it the same. 788 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 2: They use it the same way, yeap. So when everybody 789 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 2: uses the same there's been enough one for a long time. 790 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 2: How much conversation did they talk about hybrid other than 791 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 2: every once in a while, you have to they're managing 792 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 2: their hybrid. It is a passing reference that fans general 793 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 2: fans do not care about. And that's kind of and 794 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 2: that's a challenge for the manufacturers. I don't know. We 795 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 2: never heard from anyone saying, you guys have to talk 796 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 2: about hybrid. I think they're going to trust Fox do 797 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 2: what they think is best from an entertainment standpoint, and 798 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 2: so far we've not really found what makes this super 799 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 2: interesting to people. Maybe that will change, and maybe we'll 800 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 2: change too as the hybrid gets more powerful, as it 801 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 2: becomes a more powerful push to pass, which might come 802 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 2: with the next generation. All right, we'll see what we 803 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 2: missed and more coming up next on Trackside, Hi, this 804 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 2: is Graham ray Hall and you're listening to Trackside on 805 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 2: ninety three five and one oh seven five the fan. 806 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 2: A few Twitter or X questions, Lynn underscore IndyCar says, 807 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 2: or ask. Could Andretti Global become the Dodgers of IndyCar. 808 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 2: They have so much money that they can sign any 809 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 2: driver or team member. They're well financed and coincidentally twg 810 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 2: owns the Dodgers and Andretti, so there is a connection there, 811 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 2: Dana ask. Is the new Andrette building the Fisher's airport 812 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 2: solely being used for Cadillac F one? Yes, because of 813 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 2: F one cost cap deals, they have to be totally separate. 814 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 2: No IndyCar work can be done there, or vice versa. 815 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 2: Esf one says, is Renu's Vick still in the picture 816 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 2: for a twenty twenty six Indy Car seat or is 817 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 2: he wearily dug himself to contractless Grave. That's one of 818 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 2: the questions we need answered. I have to believe he 819 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 2: has something and we should learn something soon. Out of time. 820 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 2: We'll see you next Tuesday night at seven o'clock join 821 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 2: us for him. So from Road Atlanta, Petite lamon this 822 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 2: weekend with Peacock and NBC