1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun show. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: This Monday Gun Day with the. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 3: Gun just watch out with the guns, they'll get guy. 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Stop calling your arms. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: Gun Cunning is an idel. Jason Hammer is here also 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 3: joining us live in studio with the gun Guy, Guy Relford, 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: host of The Gun Guy Show. Saturday's here on ninety 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: three WIBC. Guy, how are you? 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: I am well and thanks so much to our sponsor 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: for Monday Gun Day. 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But can we 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: just start from the beginning here? 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, this is a case that unfolded on the 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: fifth of November and the reports are that a cleaning crew, 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: a man and woman, husband and wife went to the 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: wrong house the very early mornings, very early morning, about 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: six thirty or so that morning, went and was trying 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: to get into a house. It was a wrong house, 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: and the husband and wife in the house were awakened. 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: The husband, believing someone was trying to break into the house, 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: fired or shot and ended up killing the wife of 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: the couple. Today, Kent Eastwood, who's the prosecutor in Boone County, 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: had a press conference to announce that criminal charges, specifically 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: one count of voluntary manslaughter had been filed against my 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: client Kurt Anderson there of Whitestown. And mister Eastwood had 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: a press conference and he read a written statement and 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: then he took questions from the media who were present. 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: And I thought, if you guys are okay with this, 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: I would really use today on your show this segment. 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: We usually have to read my written statement that I 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: put out and then take some questions from you guys, 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: just like mister Eastwood did. So this is sort of 42 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: my version of what the Boone County prosecutor did today 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: in his press conference. 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: Seems fair he did that we will allow you to 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: do this, and again, this is in response to the 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Boone County Prosecutor filing one level two felony charge, a 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter against your client, Kurt Anderson, in that early 48 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: morning shooting death of the woman who was with the 49 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: cleaning crew. 50 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: Right exactly, And as mister Eastwood said in his press 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: conference today press conference today, attorneys are under ethical restrictions 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: on what we can say about a pending case, and 53 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: so we really don't want to get into the specific facts. 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: It doesn't do anyone any good to debate the facts 55 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: in the media. Those things need to come out in 56 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: the courtroom. And I think he tried to tow that 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: line in his press conference and obviously I will do 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: the same. But my statement that I post this is 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: on my Twitter if people want to find it. 60 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: We've reachweeted it at hammer in. 61 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: Nigel Okay, and it's also at Guy Relford on my Twitter. 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: But the death of Maria Florinda Rios Perez is a 63 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: terrible tragedy that is heartbreaking for everyone involved. And while 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: we are disappointed that the Boone County Prosecutor's office has 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: elected to file criminal charges against mister Kurt Anderson, I 66 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: look forward to proving in court that his actions were 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 2: fully justified by the castle doctrine provision of Indiana's self 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: defense law. That law allows a person to use reasonable force, 69 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: including deadly force, if he reasonably believes that such force 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: is necessary to prevent an unlawful entry into his home. 71 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: Contrary to the contention of the prosecutor, and without discussing 72 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: the specific facts of the case, we believe mister Anderson 73 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: had every reason to believe his ac actions were absolutely 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: necessary and fully justified at the time. We also believe 75 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: that mister Anderson's actions are being unfairly judged based on 76 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: facts that were unknowable to him as events events unfolded 77 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: that early morning. The law does not allow a conviction 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: based on hindsight. Instead, mister Anderson's actions must be evaluated 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: based on the circumstances as he perceived them. For all 80 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: these reasons, and the castle doctrine clearly applies, and I 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: look forward to defending Anderson in court. 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So now, Nige and I will ask you as 83 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: many questions as we can without getting into the specifics guide, 84 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: because I know you can't touch on that exactly. My 85 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: question is about the castle doctrine itself. Is someone who 86 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: is on your porch trying to get into the door 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: part of your castle. Is castle doctrine covering that situation. 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: Well, the castle doctrine includes the curtilage of your home. Now, 89 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: curtilage is a very underdeveloped terms term in terms of 90 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: the law. There aren't really any cases that a self 91 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: defense context that tell us what that means. But that's 92 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: an area outside your home where you have an expectation 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: of privacy. So there's curtilage which is also protected under 94 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: the castle doctrine. But here the word prevent is what's 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: so important in the castle doctrine because the castle doctrine 96 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: says you can use reasonable force, including deadly force, to 97 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: prevent an unlawful entry. So someone doesn't have to be 98 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: in your home. They can be outside your home but 99 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: trying to get in, and if you reasonably believe that 100 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: force is then necessary to prevent them from getting in, 101 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: then clearly the castle doctrine applies. And that's what I 102 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: wanted to emphasize in my written statement today is that 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: had they gotten through the door, they would have then 104 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: been in the dwelling. So the question is what's reasonable 105 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: to prevent them from entering the home based on what 106 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: he knew, because again he didn't know this was a 107 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: cleaning crew who was just at the wrong house. He 108 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: just knew someone was trying to open his front door. 109 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: And again I don't want to delve more deeply into 110 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: the specifics than that, but that's where the case is 111 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: going to turn. 112 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: There have been reports that the sun was up enough 113 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: for him to be able to see outside. I've heard 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: this argument from a lot of people on social media. 115 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: Is that true in any way? 116 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: No? I mean the evidence again, it's going to be 117 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: easily documentable to see where the sunrise was on November fifth, 118 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and I think all the scuttle bit 119 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: out there and the social media meteorologists wanting to say 120 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: it was bright light outside are absolutely completely wrong. 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: What kind of attention is this case getting right now? 122 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: It's getting a ton of attention. I mean I took 123 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: calls from NBC and the AP and a whole bunch 124 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: of the national media today and a whole bunch of 125 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: local media as well, So it's getting a lot of attention. 126 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to speak to your client 127 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: his family? I don't anticipate you to tell us exactly 128 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: what it was about. But how is everybody like handling 129 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: this situation. 130 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Well, I'll just talk in general terms, and that is 131 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: that anytime someone you know, their their lives really literally 132 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: went from sleeping in your own bed, money in your 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: own business, asleep when all of a sudden, you know, 134 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: these events started unfolding to now him sitting in the 135 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: Boom County jail. And that's how all happened, you know, 136 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: in a very quick period of time. And that's I'll 137 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: just leave it to anyone else out there to feel, 138 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: you know, to ask how they would feel if you know, 139 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: you you go to bed, and you go to sleep 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: in your own bed, and the next thing you know, 141 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: you're accused of a very serious current. 142 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 3: Talk about talk about the opposition and what you're hearing 143 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: in terms of people coming at you on social media 144 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: or we're getting I'm getting emails from people a. 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: Lot of two way attorneys on the YouTube chat and 146 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 1: sending us emails today. 147 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: Guy, Oh yeah, I'm getting a lot of hate as well, 148 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: and and and so a lot of it. 149 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: Again going back to a lot of attention to this case. 150 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of attention to the case. And listen, 151 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: after today, and I'm just again answering a few questions 152 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: as mister Eastwood did today. But after today, I'm not 153 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: going to be making any more public statements about it. 154 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: You are a popular two way attorney. It feels like 155 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: anybody that's got a gun issue reaches out to you. 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: You turned down a lot of cases. Why did you 157 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: decide to take this one? 158 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's hard to answer without really getting to the 159 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: facts of the case. But I will tell you that 160 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: what I said in my written statement about how I 161 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: think that mister Anderton is being unfairly judged based on 162 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: hindsight and and and everyone now knowing what the facts 163 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: were which led to this horrible mistake of these folks 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: going to the wrong house, make it that that makes 165 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: it be very easy to condemn him. But I also 166 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: think when down the road a jury has asked to 167 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: put themselves into his shoes, because that's how self defense 168 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: works is the jury has to look at things from 169 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: his perspective only based on what he knew, what he 170 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: could hear, what he could see. Then I think it's 171 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: clear that what he did, although it was terrible and 172 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: everyone is heartbroken over this horrible mistake that led to 173 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: the death of a woman who didn't deserve obviously what 174 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: happened to her, But that's not the question when it 175 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: comes to the criminality of the act. And I think 176 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: you have to look at what he believed to be 177 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: reasonable under the circumstance. And that's where we'll get into 178 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: the very specific facts and I look forward to doing 179 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: that in court. 180 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: And Guys, something I think you mentioned on Friday when 181 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: you filled in for Nige, this is a situation where 182 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: as a defense attorney, you're not ripping or blaming the 183 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: victim on the other side. That's important to you. 184 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all known facts at this point or 185 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: these folks, through no fault to their own, were sent 186 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: to the wrong address. Now what makes no sense to 187 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: me is it's a full mile away from where they 188 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: were supposed to go in a different neighborhood. Wasn't even 189 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: the same neighborhood. 190 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,119 Speaker 1: So they were a mile away in a different neighborhood 191 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: from where they were supposed to be. 192 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I drove it. So we'll have to figure 193 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: out how that happened. But no, I'll be kind of 194 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: glad after today. I don't want to make any more 195 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: public statement. I want to make sure I'm following all 196 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: the rules. 197 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Last thing here before we let you go again. Guy 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: Relford joining us from Monday gun Day. 199 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: A lot of. 200 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: Media attention here, a lot of people on the chatterboards 201 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: and social media. They've already got their minds made up. 202 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: Is that difficult for a defense attorney? 203 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: Well, it's hard. I mean, I'm a fighter, right and 204 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: I debate for a living. I've been doing that in 205 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: the two area for a long, long long time, so 206 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: it's hard for me to see a bunch of idiocy 207 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: out on social media and not want to jump into 208 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: the fray. But of course I'm not going to do that. 209 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: What a colossal waste of time and that would be. 210 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: So I have to not look at a lot of 211 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: it and what little I see, and some of us 212 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 2: directed at me specifically, you know, I get tagged or 213 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: whatever is. I just try to ignore it as much 214 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: as I can. But it's a little hard when you're 215 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: sort of a fighter by nature and you just got 216 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: to ignore the morons out there. 217 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: So what's next in this whole story. 218 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, initial hearing on Friday where his bond will be 219 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: set and we'll go about dealing with that, and then 220 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: we'll start working through the process and ultimately get it 221 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: ready for your trial. 222 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: Hey, I know this isn't easy. You know, Nige and 223 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: I are asking you questions, You've got to be very 224 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: careful about answering. 225 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 226 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: So we appreciate you taking the time on a very 227 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: busy day for you to come in here and address 228 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: everything that's going on with a very high profile story. 229 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: If somebody wants to reach out to you, ask a question, 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: hire you be trained in firearms by you? Where can 231 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: they go? 232 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? 233 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: And again, And I know you said this already, but 234 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: this is not to answer any questions about this case 235 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: because I'm done talking about the right unless it's in court. 236 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: But on other issues, Just at Guy Ralford on Twitter, 237 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: give me a follow while you're on there. Just at 238 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: Guy Ralford on Twitter. 239 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: Guy, thank you so much. We appreciate you. 240 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: Guys. 241 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: It's the hammer in Nigel Show.