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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome back to Tony Katz Today. I'm your guest

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Speaker 2: host for today, Kira Davis. And I'm really excited for

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Speaker 2: this next segment because I saw I saw a press

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Speaker 2: release come across my wires for this movie, and immediately

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Speaker 2: this guy. But before I introduce our next guest, I

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's the holiday season and we're talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: warm feelings, family, all of that stuff. There's a whole

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Speaker 2: segment of our population, of our society that has gone

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Speaker 2: off to fight for our right to celebrate together and

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Speaker 2: to be together. And when they come home, they come

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Speaker 2: home with wounds and a lot of it is invisible.

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Speaker 2: And so this is what really interested me about this film.

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Speaker 2: It is called Sheep Dog, and I want to read

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Speaker 2: you the breakdown of it. Decorated US Army combat veteran

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Speaker 2: Calvin Cole is court ordered into treatment and into the

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Speaker 2: care of a VA trauma therapist in training who works

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Speaker 2: college things. Become even more complicated when Calvin's father in

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Speaker 2: law and retired that shows up on his doorstep doorstep,

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Speaker 2: having just been released from prison. As Calvin's plan to

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Speaker 2: must put himself back together again and for his family,

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Speaker 2: for his family, and for himself. This film was shot

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Speaker 2: on location in western Massachusetts, one hundred percent America Maid

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Speaker 2: and I am so thrilled to welcome to Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: today the writer, director, and actor Stephen Graham. Stephen, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us today, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on your film.

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Speaker 4: Wow, what an introduction. Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we are just tremendously proud of how it turned out.

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Speaker 4: And as you said, yes, shot on location in western Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: We were very honored to hire and train seventeen military

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Speaker 4: veterans in five gold Star Family members throughout the production

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Speaker 4: of Sheep Dog.

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Speaker 1: There's no CGI. These are all real locations.

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Speaker 4: We shot it in a small paper mill town, hired

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Speaker 4: a lot of the local people. Again many of them

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Speaker 4: were veterans, and you know, we were able to capture

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Speaker 4: the heart and soul of what I had seen and

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Speaker 4: this fourteen year journey.

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Speaker 1: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you said, you say in your bio as is

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Speaker 2: reading a little bit about the movie that you did this.

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Speaker 2: You actually research, You talked to psychologists, You talked to

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Speaker 2: men and women who had come back from combat. This

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Speaker 2: wasn't just sort of a fly by night project. Tell

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Speaker 2: me a little bit about why you did this. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I want to encourage everyone to hang on

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Speaker 2: play a little clip from the trailer to pick you

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Speaker 2: of the movie A Sheep Dog on YouTube right now.

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Speaker 2: You need to go watch it because I know you're

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Speaker 2: listening to Steven talking. You're thinking this is like a

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Speaker 2: nice little that veterans movie to celebrate our vets. No,

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Speaker 2: this is a real legit film. It's gotten readible casts.

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Speaker 2: Some of my favorites are in it. Bondi, Curtis Hall, Stephen.

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Speaker 2: I was convinced for about twenty years that I was

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Speaker 2: going to name my first son Bondi Curtis Hall. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you.

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Speaker 4: Bondi revealed on our press tour recently that Bondy Bondi's

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Speaker 4: father's name is Curtis Curtis Hall. Bondi's father was saved

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Speaker 4: by a fellow American soldier in World War Two, and

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Speaker 1: So yeah, pretty incredible.

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Speaker 2: Mind is blown. I loved his name forever forever. I'm

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Speaker 1: And he's a revelation in the film.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he plays a Vietnam veteran, and he grew

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Speaker 1: Whiskey with these veterans.

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Speaker 4: So much of what was shared with me informed his character,

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Speaker 4: I was very lucky that the community, it took years

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Speaker 4: Neurologists, neuropsychologists, trauma therapists. As you'll see in the film.

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Speaker 4: this is not a post traumatic stress movie. This is

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Speaker 4: And that's really important, especially for those listening, especially during

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Speaker 4: And it's okay to not be okay. So Sheet Dog

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Speaker 4: comes out nationwide in theaters January sixteenth. It's a very

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Speaker 4: OIF and OEF veterans that have said to us, I

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Speaker 2: And it's good why they are the way they are too, yes,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that that's that's really important for

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Speaker 4: And and I think that that that's our movie highlights

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Speaker 4: Film that I just hadn't seen from my generation, and

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Speaker 1: And it's really it's reflected.

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Speaker 2: But talk about that, if they choose to go see this,

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Speaker 2: Stephen that a lot of people listening to this show

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Speaker 4: I had an incredible team, as you said already, an

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Speaker 4: incredible cast. Academy Award nominee Virginia Manson plays my trauma

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Speaker 4: He plays my hockey coach turned cop, Lily Cooper. She

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Speaker 4: And then of course Matt Dallas plays my best friend.

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Speaker 1: That we hope we did.

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Speaker 2: I'm beginning to think the more I talk this tru

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Speaker 2: that this is a class issue that I think I

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Speaker 2: think the mother in law also. Okay, young couples pre

435
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: married or just married, pay attention to me. You are

436
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: responsible for your parents, Okay, you're responsible for the relationship

437
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: between your parents and your spouse. So if your parents

438
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: are mistreating your spouse or don't get along with your fiance.

439
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: It's you that must settle that issue, not your fiance,

440
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: not your wife. So I want to know where husband

441
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: or groom is and all of this, because this is

442
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: when he should go to his mother and say, no,

443
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: this is my wedding, mom, and this is what I want. Lady.

444
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: The more I talk this through, the more I think

445
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: you should just run. You should just run. It seems

446
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: to me that this family does not respect you at all.

447
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: Your fiance doesn't respect you enough to stand up to

448
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: his mother to tell her to wear the damn dress

449
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: I told you to wear. You know what I mean.

450
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: That's an act of defiance. That's not a woman who's like, well,

451
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't have anything else to wear. She went out

452
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: and bought a thousand dollars dress. She has, she's got,

453
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: she has an event in her mind, she has a

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Speaker 2: day in her mind, and it doesn't match her daughter

455
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Speaker 2: in laws. What's gonna happen when you have a baby,

456
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Speaker 2: What's gonna happen when you're at your one year anniversary,

457
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Speaker 2: What's gonna happen? Gonna happen when you want to celebrate

458
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: Christmas at your house for the first time? Run, honey, run,

459
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Speaker 2: This is a red flag. But this is a gift.

460
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: This is a gift that your your husband's not going

461
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: to be there for you when you need him against

462
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: his family. You're marrying into an organism, wasn't I talking

463
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Speaker 2: about this last hour? How I'm starting to understand there's

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Speaker 2: a place for prejudice and some respects the idea that

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Speaker 2: you're discriminating. I guess right, you have you have a body,

466
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Speaker 2: and then you have an outside organism trying to break

467
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: into the body. And if that organism isn't going to

468
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: fit into the body, isn't going to assimilate into the body,

469
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Speaker 2: then the organism must be pushed out. And families are

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00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: the same way, particularly wealthy families. And I'm starting to

471
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: understand why too. You know, as you you raise and status,

472
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: you realize, yeah, you are vulnerable to people who want

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00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: to use you, I think, and so I can kind

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Speaker 2: of imagine that the mom. It seems to me that

475
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: the mom feels that this Beyonce does not really belong

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00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: in the family. I actually I have some acquaintances like this.

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00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: They're very wealthy and very well connected family in California,

478
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: and they you know, they have multiple adult children who

479
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: are married or beginning to marry and you know, weddings planned,

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Speaker 2: but they're pretty much through the crop. But they have

481
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: a lot they struggle with the spouses and the spouses

482
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: that maintain their identity. I'm trying not to be too detailed.

483
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: The spouses who maintain their personal identity and their personal

484
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 2: identity for their own home that they've made, you know,

485
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: with their new spouse. Those spouses get pushed out of

486
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: the organism. They're not really welcome in the family. You

487
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: don't see them at all the events, they don't run

488
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: the business. They're not welcome in the family. And the

489
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: spouses that got with the program are fully assimilated, right,

490
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: and they're part of the organism, and there's a hierarchy

491
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: there and they figured out their place and they accepted it.

492
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: I think like that's what this family sounds like it is.

493
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: And frankly, honey, if don't marry into any family that's

494
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: going to shame you or your family for their circumstances,

495
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: you should be Your family should be happy to see you,

496
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: they should be open to welcoming you. When I when

497
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: I got married, in law and father in law lived

498
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: on the other side of the block, walk out their

499
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: back door and into mine lived with my husband and Gary, Indiana,

500
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: and when we got married, I remember and my husband's

501
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: the baby of the family, and I remember my mother

502
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: in law telling me, I just want you to know

503
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: that he's not my son anymore. He's your husband, and

504
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: this is your home and so I'm never going to

505
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: come over unannounced. I'm not going to act like I

506
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: own the place, and I'm only going to give you

507
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: advice when you ask for it, because this is your

508
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: home and I want to respect it. And she always

509
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: to this day, to this very day, she always has

510
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: and I appreciated that, and it made it easier for

511
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: me to go to her when I did need help.

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00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: She honored that. I didn't feel awkward. I didn't have

513
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: to worry about situations like this because I knew I

514
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: had a mother in law who's on my side, and

515
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: I also know that you know my Now I get

516
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: my husband and I have to get into anything between

517
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: me and his parents, but he would have The Bible

518
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: says when you leave your mother and father and you

519
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: cleave unto your wife, your spouse, you become one person

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00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: that's your family. So honey, if this guy's not standing

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00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: out for you now for something as simple as a

522
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: wedding dress. By the way, she says, I'm just done

523
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: with it all. I'm thinking of eloping. I think clearly

524
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: this is not the only issue going on. She's getting

525
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: it from all corners. I'm guessing that tells me you're

526
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: marrying into a high maintenance family, honey, and they're gonna

527
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: not let They're not gonna let you run your own family.

528
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: If you can't run your own wedding, you are not

529
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: gonna run your own family. And that is no way

530
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: for a woman to live. Trust me on that one.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's go to one final break and

532
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: we'll come back and wrap up the show. Oh time

533
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: flies when you're having fun, But all good things must

534
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: come to an end. Not quite yet. Don't go anywhere.

535
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm here Davis filling it for Tony Kats and you're

536
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: listening to Tony Kats today. Oh sorry, we're back, We're back,

537
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: We're back. I was just I was practicing my Mariah

538
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: Carey and so a lot of people say, I sound

539
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: just like Mariah Carey, the Queen of Christmas. Everybody have

540
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: you seen her lately? Using Mariah Carey up there on

541
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: the stage, she's giving you one hundred percent of nothing.

542
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: She does nothing anymore on stage. She hasn't even walked.

543
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: She has those guys carried. They carry her to this

544
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: stage and she, like you know, wiggles around on her

545
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: heels a little, but she sits now. She'll even sit

546
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: down to sing. She does not care. And frankly, I'm

547
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: here for it. If you win the title of Queen

548
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: of Christmas, you have earned that type of condescension. Stand

549
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: up there and do nothing, honey, I'm here for all

550
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: of it. Thank you very much for your contribution to Christmas. Well,

551
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm here Davis, filling in for Tony Kats. We're about

552
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: to wrap up the show. I want to get I

553
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: want to play this clip. I want to play one

554
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: clip real quick because I want to say something about

555
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: this topic as we close up the show. Let's play

556
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: this Nick Shirley clip Landon. Let's play Nick Shirley is

557
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: an independent reporter. If you don't follow him on X

558
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: you must surely two y's on the end, and he

559
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: has been. You've seen a lot of his reporting. He's

560
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: one of the best out there. Right now, he's been

561
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: hitting up Minneapolis daycare centers and other Somalia programs, Somalian programs,

562
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: and he's been finding some disturbing things. Let's play this

563
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: clip what Nick found at a daycare in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Here in Minnesota, massive fraud is taking place within the

566
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: government and the Somali population here. This building, alone, quality

567
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: learning center is a daycare. Yet they spelled learning wrong

568
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: and they said leering. This daycare alone, in twenty twenty

569
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: five has received one point nine million dollars from the government.

570
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: And the strange things about these childcare centers is there's.

571
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Speaker 1: No one here right now.

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00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: It's midday on a weekday, and if you were to try

573
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: to go inside, it's completely closed and the windows are

574
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: all blacked out. No one's working midday. Children should be

575
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: in here, and this place is licensed for ninety nine

576
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: children and this is the outside. There's no windows, no nothing.

577
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: And like I said, they literally spelt the word wrong

578
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: on their sign. This is open and blatant fraud taking

579
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: place here inside of Minnesota. The government is complicit with this.

580
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: And this is just one of the hundreds of child

581
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Speaker 3: daycare centers here inside of Minneapolis being ran by the

582
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Speaker 3: Somali population. It's sad that it's happening here in Minnesota,

583
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: and it stinks that it's happening and it's being labeled

584
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: on the Smali population. However, that's just the facts of

585
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: what's happening here inside of Minnesota. One point nine million

586
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: dollars for this daycare center, that cave AND's bell learning right, one.

587
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: Point nine million dollars. Nick went around to a bunch

588
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: of different uh places that day uncovered. You can go

589
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: to Twitter or x he's on there right now, talk

590
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: about it. In that single day, everybody, Nick uncovered one

591
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: hundred and ten million dollars of fraud, Somali fraud in

592
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: that single day, just by going around to these physical addresses.

593
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Of course, the government's in on it, of course they are.

594
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: Of course they are one hundred and ten million dollars

595
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: one kid, one kid. And you know how he found

596
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: one of the buildings that was sucking up twenty six

597
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: million dollars in state funds. You know how he found

598
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: it a tip line a Minnesota resident. This old man said,

599
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, I see this building and says welfare services

600
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: on it or whatever it says. There's nobody here. There's

601
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: no one ever here. So I reported it nothing. I

602
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: realized that there's they're getting all this money, but no

603
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: one's here. There's supposedly twenty businesses in here, but no

604
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: one's here. This is what I'm saying, Like, I think

605
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: we all need to become Karens. I think we all

606
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: need to be the snitches. I hate it. I hate it.

607
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: I hate that we have to be like this. But

608
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: this is not our fault. So yeah, I think your

609
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: favorite place that uses illegal labor, I think you need

610
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: to report them. I know it's not very Christmasy, but

611
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: guess what Christmas is. Christmas is here, that's some birth

612
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: of baby Jesus. But there's two messiahs, right, there's one

613
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: in one. There's a Messiah who comes as the baby

614
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: to bring peace and to bring light. Then he was

615
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: killed and resurrected three days later, and then there's going

616
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: to be a second Messiah, and that's the Jewish Messiah. Right.

617
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: This is the reason why the Jews aren't Christians. They

618
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: don't believe that that baby was the Messiah because he

619
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: was too nice, he was too calm, too much peace.

620
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: They're Messiah. The one that they were waiting for is

621
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: the one that's going to come in like a lion

622
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: and murder his enemies. And get retribution. That's their Messiah.

623
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: That's the second one, and that's Christmas too. Bombing our

624
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: enemies on Christmas Day, who who rape and kill and

625
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: murder God's people, that's Christmas too. That's Christmas too. So

626
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: the harsh stuff, the stuff that doesn't feel good, that's

627
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: Christmas too because that's the kingdom, right, that's liberty, and

628
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. So you know some of

629
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: us are gonna have to be soldiers. Well, we're all

630
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: soldiers in this war. To be honest, we're all soldiers.

631
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: That's Christmas. We're all going to have to be a

632
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: part of the solution, and that's Christmas because Christmas ultimately

633
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: is liberty. So be a part of liberty. It's been

634
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: my pleasure to be with you. I'll catch you on

635
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: the flip side. Happy New Year, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanikah.

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Speaker 2: You have been listening to Tony Kats today