1 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody. 2 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: This is Ethan and Jerry broadcasting from the studios at 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: Radio one ninety three WIBC. Jerry, We've got a lot 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: to get into, including the disappointing revelation that I think 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: many people have already accepted that unfortunately, it seems incredibly 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: likely there will be no accountability from the Epstein files, 7 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: there will be no indictments from the Epstein files, and 8 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: the multiple people that are supposed to have been involved 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: in this mass sex trafficking scheme will go utterly unpunished. 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: But first, before we get into that, I want to 11 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: get into one of my personal gripes, which is these 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: jackass bicyclists around town. I was going on Michigan Ka 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: Street coming into the studio and I watched this ass 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: blow blast through like three separate stoplights, completely uncaring, just 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: blows right through them. And I am tired of these 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: bicyclists who insist that they are vehicles, that it is 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: dangerous for them to ride on sidewalks, but then they'll 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: callously disregard rules of the road, the regulations that we 19 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: all help have to abide by. And look, if you 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: want to be considered a vehicle and you want roadway privileges, 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: then you should get a license, you should get registration, 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 2: and you should be forced to carry insurance. You're laughing, 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: but I'm not joking. These guys are jerks. 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have the same issues. So out in handlind 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: County's a little different. You get a group of fifteen 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: old dads that want to do the Tour de Franz 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: out there on one forty six, backing up traffic from 28 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: forever just ride and taking up the whole roads like 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: move over, move over. And it gets old real quick. 30 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 1: Where they're doing their bicycle cause playing. 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: You know, they're in the like the whole uniforms, and 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: they're meeting up behind the elementary school and they're gonna 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: It's like, dude, get out of though, you. 34 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: Have ruined my Saturday morning. 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: They are giving vegans a run for their money in 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: the most intolerable personality contest. I will give that a yeah, okay, 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 2: But with that gripe out of the way, let's get 38 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: down to brass tax. We got more developments on the 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: Epstein files this week, including testimony from Attorney General Pam Blondie. 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: And at some. 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: Point we need to accept that the unwise cabinet choices 42 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump makes are a reflection on him and 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: his presidency because this was not good Jerry and the 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: government seems very schizophrenic on whether there is any significance 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: to the Epstein files or not. On the one hand, 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice has concluded Jeffrey Epstein was responsible 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: for sex trafficking more than a thousand girls. But on 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: the other hand, the FBI has concluded there was no 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: evidence in all too that was actionable to move forward 50 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: on prosecution for any of these women, while simultaneously of 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: the House said that if a fully transparent release were 52 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: to occur, it would result in the downfall of the government. 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: On the other hand, there's no actionable items and it 54 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: contained therein. Does this make sense to anybody that's paying attention. 55 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: Well, it definitely doesn't make sense to me. But I 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: will tell you this as a as a Trump voter 57 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: and I and I support this administration, I am really disappointed. 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: I just listen when it was him and Casptel and 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: now you got Dan Bongino and you're going out and 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: you're getting these pit bulls. From our opinion, we're gonna 61 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: you ran on releasing the Epstein files. You had influencers 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: at the White House with these white binders that nobody 63 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: saw what was in them. Supposedly we supposedly we were 64 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: told what There was video camera in every single one 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: of these rooms and hundreds of thousands of hours of 66 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: tay and he was trafficking to nobody, is what we're saying. 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: Yes, of course, Virginia Guffrey made claims that she was 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: lent out to his rich friends, but agents couldn't confirm 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: that and found no other victims telling a similar story, 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: according to two records released by the FBI. Yet, in 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: an email last July, agents said that there were at 72 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: least four or five other Epstein accusers who said that 73 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: they were sexually trafficked and abused by Epstein and others, 74 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: but there was not enough evidence to move forward federally 75 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: charging them with law enforcement. While Pam Blondie was giving 76 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: her testimony, they were asked for victims to stand up 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: in the gallery and they hadn't been contacted by. 78 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: The Department of Justice at all. 79 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: So how can you say that only Virginia Virginia Guffrey 80 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: had came forward to make these claims when you have 81 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: other people standing up raising their hand saying that they 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: have testimony to offer the Department of Justice but haven't 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: been contacted. Yes, this is a reflection on Trump, especially 84 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: when he made it a central campaign issue on transparency 85 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: and releasing the Epstein files, and then as soon as 86 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: he obtains the presidency he says it's a Democrat hoax. 87 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, Jerry. 88 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: I want to know if he wasn't trafficking to anybody 89 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: the what are we redacting? If he's the only person 90 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: and he was found or whatever died in prison, was 91 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: suicided in prison, Like, what are we redacting? 92 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: That's that's a good question. 93 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: If none of these people did anything wrong, then go 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: ahead and put their names in the email and they 95 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: didn't do anything wrong, prove it. 96 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 2: Show us what it is is it's gas lighting, Jerry. 97 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: Something that talk show host Joe Rogan pointed out. 98 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn't running a sex trafficking ring 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: for powerful men file show. 100 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: So there you go. Who says that? 101 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: What's that it's going around that? 102 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 5: I just found the place though with the show and. 103 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: The headline I was going around the internet today get 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 4: ap is a AP reporting? 105 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 5: Yet? 106 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, today I thought that was fright. 107 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was from two thousand and five the FBI. 108 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: That's the gas Lettius gas light in point that I've 109 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: ever heard in my life. Well, what are they think 110 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: is going on? 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: Just a bunch of fun, A bunch of guys hanging 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: out being fellas, having cocktails, talking. 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 6: About science, looking into it. 114 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: But they all haven't yet. Oh, nobody want to vote this. 115 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm taking Tracey. 116 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: Fil It's absolutely ridiculous, Jerry. 117 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: And then you have senators like Cynthia Loomis, who said 118 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: that as of Monday, she actually understands why people care 119 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: about the Epstein files, and this was an interesting drop 120 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: up into itself. She is quoted as saying, I have 121 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: not been one of the members who's glommed onto this 122 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: as an issue. I've sort of intentionally deferred to others 123 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: to find out about it. But nine year old victims, Wow, 124 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: are you telling me you didn't care about the Epstein 125 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: files up until this point. That's the problem of it 126 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: in and of itself. You weren't watching the news, you 127 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: weren't paying attention to any of this. 128 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: A thousand victims. 129 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: According to not conspiracy theorists, but the Department of Justice, 130 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: and he said, I don't know, I don't care. I mean, 131 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: at least she cares now. But what's she seing in 132 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: there that the FBI doesn't. 133 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: Well to me? 134 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: To me, there are very few things in this country 135 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: that are bipartisan. This is one of them. You have 136 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: Republican d M Democrats on people on both sides, people 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: in the middle going, we want to know what the 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: heck happen. We want to hold those people accountable. And 139 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: when the party that you just said, he ran on 140 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: immigration and the Epstein files, that's it, Day one will 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: release them. We're still getting slow dripped all this information 142 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: and now they're saying there's nothing in there. 143 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: Well, the bad news. 144 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: Jerry is although the government is filled with billionaire pedophiles 145 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: and their friends running around free, the good news is 146 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: the Dow Jones is up to fifty thousand dollars, so 147 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: they're making millions more. 148 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 7: None of them, none of them, ask Merrick Garland. Over 149 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 7: the last four years, one word about Jeffrey Epstein. How 150 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 7: ironic is that? You know why? Because Donald Trump, the Dow, 151 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 7: the DOO right now is over. The Dow is over 152 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 7: fifty thousand dollars. I don't know why you're laughing. You're 153 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 7: a great stock trainer. If I hear raskin, the Dow 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 7: is over fifty thousand right now, the SMP at almost 155 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 7: seven thousand, and the nasdaqs smashing records. Americans one case 156 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 7: and retirement savings are booming. That's what we should be 157 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 7: talking about. We should be talking about making Americans safe. 158 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 7: We should be talking about what does a Dow have 159 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 7: to do with anything? That's what they just ask, are 160 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 7: you kitty? 161 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Shut up the silly woman. 162 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking with the Attorney General about the 163 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: stock market at your House Judiciary Committee hearing, Jerry, is 164 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: any of this making sense to you? 165 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: Listen, somebody should have asked her one of the top 166 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: five performing stocks and see where she went from there. Yeah, 167 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: you want to talk about the Dow sweep top top 168 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: five performing stocks. 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Show us what an expert you were. 170 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: You know, maybe somebody should be asking the Commerce Secretary 171 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: Howard Lutnik about the Dow. But but there are separate 172 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: conversations that need to behave. 173 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: I need you to understand. This is really hard for 174 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: me because this administration is turning into a colossal failure 175 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: and it sucks now now, economically, yeah, we're doing great. 176 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: And immigration I'm good with that. But the Epstein files 177 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: was the heart of one of the reasons why I. 178 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: Voted Donald Trump is the President of the United States, 179 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: powerful man in the world. Going back to Truman, I 180 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: think he was the one that had on his desk 181 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: the buck stops here. The buck stops with you, man, 182 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: and these choices are a reflection on you. It is 183 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: a reflection on Trump. And I am happy to praise 184 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: Donald Trump with the work that he has done to 185 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: secure the border. I am happy to praise Donald Trump 186 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: with the peace agreements that he assigned with his foreign policy. 187 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: But this is a mess. 188 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: That's going on with the Epstein files, and it's absolutely unacceptable. 189 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: And here's a little extra salt on the wound, Jerry, 190 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: because you had a campaign ad from Pam Blondie back 191 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: when she was the attorney general in Florida and goes 192 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: what promises she made back then. 193 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 7: Florida ranks third nationally and calls for help for human 194 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 7: trafficking where young women and children are enslaved and abused. 195 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 7: I knew we needed all hands on deck, businesses and 196 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 7: hospitals to spot it. Are great law enforcement to stop 197 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 7: it and tougher penalties to punish it. We're taking on 198 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 7: medicaid fraud, pill mills, gangs and more and all fight 199 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 7: to put human trafficking monsters where they belong, behind bars. 200 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: Pam Bundy, our Attorney General. 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 5: Well, well, well how the turntables. 202 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: Wow, that ad did not age well at all at all, Jerry. 203 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: These people are shameless. 204 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: It makes you wonder what happens when you get into 205 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 3: that position. Now do you get there and you realize like, oh, 206 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: I can't say anything. 207 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: Well, they say that there's not enough evidence to be actionable, 208 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: to be actively prosecutable. You know what line, The court 209 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: of public opinion and a court of law are two 210 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: totally different things. 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: If there's not enough to. 212 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: Move forward to prosecution, there is certainly enough to humiliate 213 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: and publicly defenestrate these individuals for the rest of time. 214 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: They should hold their heads in shame and everybody in 215 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: the public should know who they are and shame them 216 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: every single day. 217 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we should make it more known 218 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Epstein was found guilty in a Florida court 219 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: for solicitation of a minor and they're like two thousand 220 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: and six. 221 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah, that was going back to the 222 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight we yet that sweetheart deal for 223 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: sleeping with an underage prostitute, and it could have been 224 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: a lot. It could have been a worse prosecution back then. 225 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: But then that led up to the twenty nineteen investigation 226 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: because he never stopped. 227 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: But if you're still hanging out with this guy after 228 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: that goes down, that says a lot about you. 229 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: Well, for example, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik or billionaire tech 230 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: mogul Bill Gates people who were both hanging around with 231 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: this guy after he was a convicted pedophile. That's after 232 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: he was a registered sex offender. And going back to 233 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: what you had mentioned earlier about the redactions, why are 234 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: we redacting people if they had nothing to do with 235 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: it and there's no actionable, actionable content against them. 236 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: This is a question that Joe Rogan was asking. 237 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: Sultan Ahmed bin Suliam sent the torture video to Epstein. 238 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: This is in two thousand and nine, so Epstein was 239 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: saying that where. 240 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 4: Are you are you okay? I love the torture videos. Yes, 241 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 4: I'm in China. I'll be in the US second week 242 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 4: of May. What the frank Man, and why is his 243 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: name redacted? Why would your name be redacted if you're 244 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: not a victim? Like, this is what's crazy about all this? 245 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: Like how come you redact some people and you don't 246 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: redact other people? 247 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: Like what is this? This is not good. None of 248 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: this is good for this administration. It looks frank terrible, 249 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: It looks terrible. It looks terrible for Trump when he 250 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: was saying that none of this was real. This is 251 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: all a hoax. This is not a hoax, Like did 252 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: you not know? Maybe he didn't know if you want 253 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: to be charitable, but this is definitely not a hoax. 254 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: And if you've got redacted people's names and these people 255 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: aren't victims, you're not protecting the victims. 256 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: So what are you doing? 257 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 5: Right? 258 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: And how come all this is not released? 259 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 5: A good question for another type. 260 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, let's prosecute the pedophiles. 261 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: If we can't all be on the same page about that, 262 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: what are we doing here? 263 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, this single handedly brings America together. We all are 264 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: on board with this. 265 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: This should be a bypart. 266 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: Is an issue, and right now the Trump administration is 267 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: letting us down. Jerry, thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC, 268 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: Ethan Hatcher and Jerry Lopez filling. 269 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: In coming up next. 270 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: The government continues to defraud and disappoint you, as a 271 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: report from last year indicates that more than one hundred 272 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand federal workers are currently not paying their taxes, 273 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: including fifty thousand people in the IRS. We'll tell you 274 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: more details about that coming up next. Stay tuned, Hi 275 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: to dream. 276 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 8: This is rapping team, some machine. 277 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: On the time, any places. 278 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: Last Nay, Welcome, Good morning, Indianapolis. This is Ethan and 279 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: Jerry on ninety three WIBC, and we continue to be 280 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: disappointed and let down by our government as we approach 281 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: tax Day of twenty twenty six. Jerry, this is a 282 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: story that broke last year revealing more than one hundred 283 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand members of the government, including more than 284 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: six thousand IRS employees, are currently delinquent on their taxes. 285 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: Jony Ernst of Iowa had actually proposed two separate bills 286 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: to address this issue, but since that time, no action, 287 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: no movement has been taken. I checked on these online. 288 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: I don't think these bills even made it out of committee. 289 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty thousand federal workers Jerry that oh 290 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: back taxes, some of them working to the IRS. 291 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 8: Well, most Americans had to write a big fat check 292 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 8: to the government today to pay their taxes. Over one 293 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 8: hundred thousand federal workers are not paying their taxes. In 294 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 8: twenty twenty one, the IRS found that almost one hundred 295 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 8: and fifty thousand federal workers oh about one point five 296 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 8: billion dollars in unpaid taxes, over five thousand of them 297 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 8: work at the IRS, and oh fifty million in overdue taxes. 298 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 8: Even though the IRS can fire its workers that are 299 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 8: not paying their taxes, only twenty people have been terminated. 300 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 8: That double standard is something Senator Joni Earn, Senate DOS 301 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 8: caucas chair wants to stop. She's introducing several bills into 302 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 8: cleaning up the IRS. One bill would require IRS employees 303 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 8: to be audited every year and fired if they don't 304 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 8: pay their taxes. 305 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 5: Go ahead, make my day. 306 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: Whether it's billionaire pedophiles running around or tax cheats working 307 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: for the IRS, it goes to prove. 308 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: That it's not what you know, it's who you know. 309 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: Jerry, I mean, how disappointing is this? 310 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: But not surprising, Oh, not surprising or the least that 311 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: your government truly doesn't give a damn about you. Those 312 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: two bills that Joni Ernst had proposed. One of them, 313 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: Audit the IRS Act, would require annual audits of IRS 314 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: employees and the termination of every agent who isn't paying 315 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: their taxes. 316 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Now, that makes good common sense, wouldn't you agree? 317 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: I would say that if you're going to hold me accountable, 318 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: you better be following the rule yourself. 319 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: If you're going to be enforcing the tax laws, you 320 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: probably should be following the d am tax laws. 321 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: This is not too much to ask. 322 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: The other bill that she proposed, tax delinquency and overdue debts, 323 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: are Government Employees Responsibility, otherwise known as. 324 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: The Tax Dodger Act. They love their acronyms. 325 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: That requires the IRS to annually publish its Federal Employee 326 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: Tax Delinquency Report on current and retired federal employees who 327 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: have delinquent tax debt or who have not fired eight 328 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: tax return retired employees too. 329 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: That sucks. 330 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: Look, it's just good common sense. But neither of these 331 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: bills even made it out of committee. None of them 332 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: made it to a floor vote. Nothing happened from this 333 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: no accountability. We've been sitting on this information for more 334 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: than a year after the story broke, it started to 335 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: be revealed. 336 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Going back to twenty twenty one, nothing has been done. 337 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: There's nothing that frustrating me more than tax time. I 338 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: remember it was it a couple of years ago that 339 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: the day after tax Day we set Ukraine billions of 340 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: dollars in Americans are hurting. 341 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean there is fraud effervescing bubbling forth 342 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: from every nook and cranny, whether it's federal government or 343 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: state government. 344 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Now to the tip of the iceberg. 345 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: We revealed billions of dollars of fraud coming out of Minnesota. 346 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: And now, just like we predicted what happened. 347 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: Liberal states like California, like Illinois, or like New York. 348 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: Now fraud's starting to come out of the woodwork there too, 349 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: including more than what was one hundred and ninety six 350 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: million dollars of a badly managed Medicaid transportation program that 351 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: was fraudulently spent. Because this included rides that were not 352 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: properly documented, drivers who were not properly licensed, rides that 353 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: weren't pre authorized by a medical practitioner, and services which 354 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: were builled but never happened. 355 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: This is insane. 356 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: Well, most Americans had to write from ABC five. 357 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 9: This is the case involving the two men from Philadelphia 358 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 9: who heard it was easy to rip off. 359 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry I did. I didn't have sound for that. 360 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm drop the ball, Jerry, now don't it's still early. 361 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Don't worry about it, but that one. 362 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: But this is not the first time we've heard about this, right, 363 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: this this actually came out of Minnesota because Nick hit 364 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 3: the Daycares first and then he went to medical transportation companies. Yes, 365 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: and he found out that Somali's there were running the 366 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 3: same gambit over there. 367 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Yes. 368 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: So now we're hearing it. It's in New York and 369 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna see it in California. You and 370 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: I worked together when we talked about the two hundred 371 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: something medical facilities out of one office in California for hospice. 372 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: Yes. 373 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: So fraud coming out of New York and then fraud 374 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: tourism going to Minnesota. 375 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: This is the This is the sound club that I had. 376 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: Whoops, two guys from Pennsylvania who made their way down 377 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: to Pennsylvania or down to Minnesota because they had heard 378 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: that it would be easy to rip off the federal government. 379 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: Fraud tourism is now a thing. This according to ABC. 380 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 9: Five, this is the case involving the two men from 381 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 9: Philadelphia who heard it was easy to rip off taxpayers 382 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 9: here in Minnesota. Federal prosecutors have called this case fraud tourism, 383 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 9: saying the men traveled here to steal from the now 384 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 9: defunct Medicaid program. Today they traveled back here to face 385 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 9: the consequences. 386 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: And I had the chance to ask them. 387 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 9: The boys, they called it fraud tourism. You want to 388 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 9: respond to that, sir, I want to tell them on 389 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 9: one Minnesota, mister bront comment. 390 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Anything you want to say to tech bears here. 391 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 9: That's Lester Brown and Anthony Jefferson, both from Philly. They 392 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 9: admitted in court today to setting up businesses in the 393 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 9: housing Stabilization program here in Minnesota. We've learned today the 394 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 9: men used shad GPT to draft fake client notes and 395 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 9: use them to submit inflated bills for reimbursements. Prosecutor say, 396 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 9: instead of helping people find stable housing, they stole more 397 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 9: than three and a half million dollars from the program 398 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 9: that's shut down late last year. 399 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: I am shocked, shocked, Well not that shocked. 400 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: These are just two guys stole three and a half 401 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: million dollars and I saw you laughing to this. 402 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: They used chat GPT to. 403 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: Help them commit the fraud, to help them fill out 404 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 2: the paperwork, the mountains and volumes of paperwork, just to 405 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: give the appearance that everything was going on all right. 406 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: I just can't help to think about those stupid Somali 407 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: pirates that Corida just came here and got to so 408 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 3: much more money and. 409 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: Not have to risk their lives sale in the high seas. 410 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: It's hard work to try and bring down an oil 411 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: tanker when you could have just moved to Minnesota. 412 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: I'm the captain now, sure I run this daycare. 413 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: Ninety three WIBC Ethan and Jerry filling in, and we 414 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: have Jared Lewis coming up next with WIBC News. 415 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. 416 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: Way, Good morning, Indianapolis. This is Ethan and Jerry on 417 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: ninety three WIBC and Producer keV and the producer's fish 418 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: bowl bit pushing those buttons, doing the things and making 419 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: fine music selections, very topical choice, playing some classic Nirvana 420 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 2: for this second segment, considering we are coming up on 421 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: the thirty second anniversary. Jerry of Kurt Cobain's opposed suicide 422 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: that was on April eighth, nineteen ninety four. I say 423 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: supposed suicide Jerry, because we might be getting some more 424 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: developments on this very old case and speculation surrounding the 425 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 2: cause and the circumstances of his death that had been 426 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: going on for a very very long time. 427 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: I was two when this happened, so I don't remember it. 428 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: Well. 429 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember this story a little better than I do? 430 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. Do you think a 431 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: twelve year old child of Cuban immigrants even knew who 432 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 3: the hell Kurt Cobain was. I had no idea who 433 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 3: he was until I got a little bit older. My 434 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: first duty station was actually Fort Lewis, Washington, which is 435 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: just outside of Seattle, and I know this was a 436 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: huge thing. When I was there. People talked about it, 437 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: but as far as I know, he killed himself. I 438 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: didn't know anything else other than that. 439 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, for a long time people have speculated and 440 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: conspiracies have been swirling. It was the ex it was 441 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: the jilted lover, It was Courtney Low. I did hear 442 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: that who was responsible for this? Now wasn't a huge 443 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: Nirvana fan? Especially when I was two years old. But 444 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: even even so, this is a story that I've been 445 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: familiar with for a while now, and now it's being 446 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 2: speculated according to a new paper that was published a 447 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: peer reviewed paper, that Kirk Cobain's death was a homicide. 448 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: According to new private forensic filings that question the suicide ruling. 449 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: This is a joint effort between a private sector team 450 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: of investigators, including Brian Burnett, a specialist who previously worked 451 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: on cases including overdoses and gunshot trauma, and an independent 452 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: researcher by the name of Michelle Wilkins. According to Burnett, 453 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: he said, this is a homicide. We got to do 454 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: something about this. And according to the evidence that they 455 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: released in this paper, you know, it really does call 456 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: into question some of the findings by the medical examiner. 457 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Jerry. 458 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just looking down here on this rundown. Just 459 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 3: like I said, I don't know much about this story. 460 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: I knew is that all I was ever told is 461 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: he killed himself. 462 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but right here, I mean, in fairness, that's the 463 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: official story. That's what the medical investigator in Seattle, Washington 464 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: had concluded, had released everybody that this was a self 465 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: inflicted gunshot wound after he had overdosed on heroin. So 466 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: he's high on heroin. He's already, you know, the themes 467 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: and the content of or Nirvana, already somewhat disturbed. There's 468 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: a suicide note right there. It all comes together, so 469 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: therefore it's a suicide. 470 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but here it says. The peer reviewed paper presented 471 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 3: ten points of evidence suggesting Kobang was confronted by more 472 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 3: than one assailant who forced a heroin overdose to incapacitate 473 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: him before one of them shot him in the head, 474 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: placed the gun in his arms, and left behind a 475 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 3: forded suicide note. Now, how would you put that together? 476 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: Honestly asking, well, I mean, he had enough heroin in 477 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: his system, even according to medical results at the time, 478 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: to take down and tranquilize a horse, and. 479 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: An addict would have known better than to do all that. 480 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but if you're you know, basically comatose, 481 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to wield a shotgun. It is 482 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: very difficult and awkward to position. They could barely stand up. 483 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: He couldn't stand up. He has comatose on smack, yeah, yeah, 484 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: you're not gonna see yourself. 485 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: Right, And that was called an acquirment. 486 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: That seems obvious, So why is it taking so long? Then, 487 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: well maybe you just you just convinced me in ten seconds. 488 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: It's even more evidence than that though, like for example, 489 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: his the positioning of his hand. You know, if he 490 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: was holding the shotgun, then you would expect splatter, you know, 491 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of in a certain direction. It was 492 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: splattering direction. And also you know, evidence coming back on 493 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: your hands. But the left hand that was allegedly gripping 494 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: the shotgun closest to. 495 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: His head didn't have any blood on it. 496 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: Also, the T shirt, the positioning of blood splatter on 497 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: the T shirt was closer to the lower portion, which 498 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: is consistent with the body have been moved after the fact, 499 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: because most of that splatter, most of the stain, most 500 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: of the soilage, is going to be happening close to 501 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: the point of impact unless you're being moved after the fact. 502 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: And again, you know, this isn't conclusive evidence, although it 503 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: sure seems that way. This is just speculation from the 504 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: private investigative team. But look, even years after the fact, 505 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: justice should be served if. 506 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: A crime was committed. 507 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: And look, we might not be holding billionaire pedophiles in 508 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: the government to account. But we can hold murders to 509 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: account thirty two years after the fact. Justice must be served. 510 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: And if there's enough evidence to merit a second look, 511 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: then shouldn't we be looking. 512 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there's no there's no doubt. There's no doubt, 513 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: you know. 514 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: And again, the rumors surrounding this and accusations surrounding this, 515 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: have been swirling for decades, including by the punk rock 516 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: drummer and lead singer of the Alternative Been the Mentors, 517 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Elden Hulk, otherwise known 518 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: as El Duce. He said thirty years ago that Courtney 519 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: Love paid him, or offered him fifty thousand dollars to 520 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: take out Kurt Cobain. 521 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 5: But you, uh, you did something deal with Courtney, right, Yeah. 522 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 10: She offered me fifty grand to whack Kirk Cobain. She 523 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 10: was fifty grand to whack Kurt Cobain. 524 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: And that's that's that's the fact, is it. But people 525 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: might think you're not the most reliable witness. Well that's 526 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: too bad. 527 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 10: You may not be the reliable witness your own self. 528 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: Now think about that one. Yeah, you know what she 529 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: offered me money? 530 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 10: Dang, I wish I would have taken it. Man, But 531 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 10: I know who whacked him? 532 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: But how were you going to whack him? Did she 533 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: tell you how to do it? 534 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 7: Yeah? 535 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 10: Blow us lane head off? 536 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 7: Why were you going to find him to do it? 537 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Well? 538 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 10: Up there and she gave you know, mapped it out. 539 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 10: I mean, you know up there in Bellevue wherever they live, 540 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 10: right outside in Seattle, I know right where the house is, 541 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 10: I know, right with garden. Pop him in. 542 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: I just didn't you think she was curious? But did 543 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: you tell you how she wanted you to have this? 544 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: Blow his wine head off? 545 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 10: I got the shotgun? 546 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: Curious and curious. 547 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: Now it should be noted again these claims by l 548 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: Duce were never substantiated, and after a week after filming this, 549 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: he had a separation, a separation between his head and 550 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: his body on a. 551 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Pair of railroad tracks. He died a week after this interview. 552 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no coincidence. 553 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: Well, one one might suspect that that's not entirely coincidental, 554 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: considering the nature of one death and then another quickly 555 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: following revelations like this. Perhaps it's a conspiracy. Going back 556 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: to the what. 557 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: Did did he know? Hillary Clinton? 558 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: By James Yea Hillary is in on this too. 559 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: Going back to the investigators the blood at the bottom 560 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: of the shirt, they said the only way that blood 561 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: could get on the shirt is if Kurt was lifted 562 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: and his. 563 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: Head was down. 564 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: Going again to crime scene analysis, Burnett Brian Burnett decades 565 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: of experience analyzing crime scenes and in interpreting complex evidence. 566 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: He earned national recognition for his expert analysis in controversial 567 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: cases like the Marine Colonel James Sabo's death and the 568 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: investigation into Billy Joe Johnson Junior, where his meticulous forensic 569 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: reconstructions challenged official findings. Forensic paper underwent peer review through 570 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: the editorial process and the International Journal of Forensic Science 571 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: before being accepted for publication. So these are what you 572 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: would describe as extremely knowledgeable individuals, and when you connect 573 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: old interviews like that with l do cha, it would 574 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: seem to connect the dots in a very damning direction, 575 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: would it not. 576 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: But as of now, the investigation has not been reopened. 577 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: They're just saying yep, nope. 578 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: It's not been it's not been reopened. No official conclusions. 579 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: Have been made, but based off of the speculation by 580 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: these extremely knowledgeable individuals, experts in their field and rumors, speculation, conspiracy. 581 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: That's been swirling for years. It would seem to justify. 582 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: So it sounds like we started the show the first 583 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: two segments the exact same way. Obvious investigations but big 584 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: nothing burgers. Yeah, well, you know that's Dean kirk Cobain. 585 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: Lots of evidence, but there's not much that we're going 586 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: to do about it. 587 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: Although I will say that out of everything, it is 588 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: much more likely that the Kirk Cobain investigation will be 589 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: reopened and accountability found than anything ever coming from the 590 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein investigation, especially when you got the Attorney General 591 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: Pam Blondi dodging quiest thrown around accusations and refusing to 592 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: answer why the Department of Justice hasn't moved forward. So yeah, 593 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: I mean there's lots of disappointment, but the public at 594 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: least is getting more information now and as far as cause, 595 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: as far as motives that have been speculated why the 596 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: courting love may do this, it all comes down to money. 597 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: There were rumors that Kurt and Courtney were going to 598 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: be divorced and in a prenuptial agreement before their marriage 599 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: that would divest her of any inheritance any profit from Nirvana, 600 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: and by this death she profited greatly from financial control 601 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: and management and continued profits of the estate. 602 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: So she went on to like get everything that was 603 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: his because it was ruled a suicide. Yep, well I 604 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 3: just thought that he was staged. Now in Seattle, man, 605 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 3: I think when I was out there was a suicide 606 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 3: capital of the country. It's so gloomy every single day. Yeah, 607 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: the birthplace of Gruns for a reason. 608 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: Bring up an excellent point because of this alleged suicide, 609 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: for years going going on again, thirty two years after 610 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: this death, there have been copycat suicides. People who have said, well, 611 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: if that's the way Kurt Cobain wanted to go out, 612 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: then that's the way I'm going to choose to go 613 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: out too. So you know, we can bring closure to 614 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: families and stop the hemorrhaging if this investigation is reopened 615 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: and more revelations are made about the true cause and 616 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: manner of his death. And let's hope that we get 617 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: that kind of closure. Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC, 618 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: Evan Hatcher and Jerry Lopez filling in Coming up next. 619 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: One Man's enormous time consuming obsession A hobby is now 620 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: getting some payoff as his work of art, his phenomenal monument, 621 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: is now getting its time in the sun in a 622 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: New York museum. We'll give you more details about that 623 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: coming up next. Stay tuned. Welcome back to ninety three WIDC. 624 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: This is Ethan Hatcher and Jerry Lopez filling in. Jerry, 625 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: what is the wildest, most obsessive hobby that you've got? 626 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: And I don't have too many. When I was a kid, 627 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: I was a big card collector like most people my 628 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: age es. So I still have a lot of cards, 629 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: but I don't really have an extreme hobby. 630 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: Well, there is a huge card collecting rabbit hole. Well 631 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: you want to talk about obsessive collectors. There are some 632 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: people who have stacks and piles. 633 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: It's become a thing now. 634 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a huge deal. 635 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: When I was a kid, it was just like sitting 636 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 3: on the porch with your buddies and trading your jose 637 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: Canseco for Daryl Strawberry and things like that. 638 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like it used to be a lot 639 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 2: of sports cards, and now it's the Pokemon cards and 640 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: the magic the Gathering cards. 641 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: Those are going for a lot of money. 642 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: Some of those. Yeah, there's nothing to sneer about that. 643 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: Logan Paul wore that the Pokemon cars like over a 644 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: million dollar card he. 645 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: Head on, Yeah, or the magic the gathering the one 646 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: ring card worth millions of dollars easy. 647 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 648 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: So I mean there are obsessive hobbies, but there are 649 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: also artistic hobbies. And I really relate to this guy, 650 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: a truck driver in New York by the name of 651 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: Joe Mackin. He has a building hobby, one that he's 652 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: been pursuing going on more than a decade now, where 653 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: he has a one to one reconstruction of Manhattan made 654 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: out of hand carved balsa wood. This is a report 655 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: from Steve Hartman on the Road. 656 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 5: In the spring of two thousand and four, a truck 657 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 5: driver named Joe Mackin descended his basement stairs in Clifton Park, 658 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 5: New York, with a simple idea to see if he 659 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 5: could build something cool out of balsa wood. 660 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: Just to build one building. That was my goal. 661 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 5: He decided on a miniature replica of the RCA building 662 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 5: in New York City's Rockefeller Center, and that was going 663 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 5: to be it. That was it, And then the next 664 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 5: day I built another one. I built another one, and 665 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 5: I built another one. 666 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 6: Was there at some point in this whole process where 667 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 6: you ever thought to yourself, I've gone too far. 668 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 5: Never after he built all of Rockefeller Center, not even 669 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 5: after he built all of Midtown, not even after he 670 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 5: built all of Manhattan. Eventually Joe Urban sprawled his way 671 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 5: to the storage facility. Oh By, Each one of those 672 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 5: squares represents about one square mile of New York City, 673 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 5: And for more than two decades now they have just 674 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 5: been piling up. And what were you going to do 675 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 5: with this? I was just going to look at it. 676 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 5: I don't know what I was going to do. I 677 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 5: had no plans. I mean, I never imagined it being 678 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 5: in a museum. 679 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 6: And yet here we are, for the first time, Joe's 680 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 6: Little Apple is going on display in the Big Apple 681 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 6: here at the Museum of the City of New York. 682 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 6: The exhibit includes all five boroughs, every site and stadium, 683 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 6: every bridge and building, almost a million structures. 684 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 5: All carved by that one man. But the most amazing 685 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 5: statistic is you're still married to the same one. 686 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Yes, how do you explain that? 687 00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 7: I don't know. 688 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 5: It's America, that's a good word for it, Joe says, 689 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 5: Trish has been remarkably understanding, at least so far. I'll 690 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 5: just keep going. I'll build all of New York State 691 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 5: if I have to. 692 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: It'll never be finished. 693 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: Ever, Joe Mackin didn't set out to create a masterpiece, 694 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 5: and yet you're a masterpiece lies before him, because greatness 695 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 5: is really nothing more than a million tiny steps and 696 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 5: occasionally a spouse to at least tolerate the journey man. 697 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: There is so much to love about this story, the 698 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: dedication and the artistry of this one man. 699 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: It's all getting paid off now. It's a huge it's 700 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: a huge model. 701 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, many, many dozens of squares that 702 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: he's built over the ensuing two decades and now going 703 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: to the Museum of the Big Apple. If you find 704 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 2: yourself in New York, I'd definitely be checking this out. 705 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: That's so cool, and I relate to this well one 706 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: because of my day job. During the week, I like 707 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: to restore and renovate and rent buildings here in Indianapolis. 708 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: But then also in my spare time, one of my 709 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 2: hobbies I enjoy recreating buildings in Minecraft digital Lego Box. 710 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: I've been working my way block by block through some 711 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: buildings in downtown Pittsburgh. I've got the Citizens Bank Building, 712 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 2: the Omni William Penn Building, the Frick Building, the Allegheny 713 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: Apartment Building, the Alleghany County Courthouse, the City. 714 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: Hall, other structures. 715 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: So you know, I relate to this guy's fastidiousness, attention 716 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: to detail, and obsession with architecture. 717 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: I just think that is hella, hella cool. 718 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, for a fact, I will be googling this during 719 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 3: the commercial break because I definitely want to see what 720 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 3: this looks like. I would love to see in person. Also, 721 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: did like did he use like Google Images to find 722 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 3: all these buildings? And how awesome would it be to 723 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 3: see like your office park, you know, a little building 724 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 3: that this guy made, that'd be pretty awesome. 725 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 2: I totally can believe that he used Google Earth. It's 726 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: a wonderful tool. It's a tool that I use. And yeah, 727 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: you can see an overview of your city to get 728 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 2: it recreated in perfect detail. Thanks for listening, ladies and gentlemen. 729 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: This is Ethan Jerry filling in on ninety three WIBC. 730 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, We got two hours to go.