1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartbeyer and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: Yes, it is, well, kind of, it's kind of Tony 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Katz Today. The show Tony kats Today is going on 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: right now. It is un fortunately, if you love Tony 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: Katz not being hosted by Tony Katz Today. There's a 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: fill in host named Mike Coolidge. That would be yours truly, 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: and he abhors when people talk in third person. We 9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: have a lot to get to this hour. In case 10 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: you're just joining us, uh yeah, or in case you're 11 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: in case you've been asleep. Since yesterday, the state of 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: Indiana has been round zero for national news. The fact 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: that Illinois. There I go again, because I live in Illinois. 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: Sorry Fortigan slip. You know, the whole states beginning with 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: I named after American Indian tribes. Indiana, the state of Indiana, 16 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: was in the news yesterday, of course, and still is 17 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: today for the terrible, terrible decision that twenty one Indiana 18 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: Republican senators made to not redraw the maps in Indiana 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: for a reason unknown other than tradition. As far as 20 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: I can tell, there's no reason, no rhyme or reason whatsoever, 21 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: that they voted to not redraw the maps, considering that 22 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: so many states throughout the country, particularly those on the 23 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: East coast, particularly Hawaii, particularly New Mexico, and states like 24 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: mine Illinois, where forty three percent of the state is 25 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: Republican but only sixteen percent of the state is represented 26 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: by Republicans in Washington, d C. They decided not to 27 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: counteract that and give the left and the Dems what 28 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: they want and very likely more power in twenty twenty 29 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: six when we have the midterms. This in Tennis would 30 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: be called an unforced error made yesterday in Indiana's state capital. 31 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: And we're not going to feel the ramifications of this 32 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: today or tomorrow. We will a year from now and 33 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: possibly for the rest of this decade. If somehow Democrats 34 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: take control of the US Congress again. That's a very 35 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: very high possibility now, or it's a higher possibility now 36 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: because of what the Indiana senators did yesterday extremely unfortunately. 37 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: You know, there's an old line in politics. A guy 38 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: named Tip O'Neil made it back in the eighties. He 39 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: was a Democrat House speaker. He was buddies with Ronald Reagan, 40 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: and anyone know what that phrases. It's an old one. 41 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: It's all politics is local, right. The idea behind that is, Look, 42 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: people care about their communities and their neighbors and their 43 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 2: towns and their counties first. That's what they care about most. 44 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: So if you're doing things that benefit people in their 45 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: personal lives locally some way, you're getting out of their 46 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: way maybe with laws, or you're an acting laws that 47 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: help them live their lives freely. You protect their rights, 48 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: you know, the purpose of government is to create laws. 49 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: Purpose of government is to protect the rights of people 50 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: and do things that the private citizenry can't do on 51 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: its own, like you know, or maybe they could do 52 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: it on their own, but it might not be the 53 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: most efficient way, like paving roads, filling potholes, you know, 54 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: running school districts. Although there's a lot of arguments to 55 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: be made that privatizing schools is results in much better students, 56 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: you know, having much higher education, much better education and 57 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: higher test scores. Anyway, I digress. The point is, yeah, 58 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: that's true, all politics is local. But the alternative to that, 59 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: or the axiom to that, if from using the right word, 60 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: is there are a lot of things that happen nationally 61 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: that happen in Washington, d C. That, yes, even happen 62 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: in the White House the president. That affect you locally. 63 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: So who we send to Washington, d C. To represent us, 64 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: to pass laws and to get rid of bad loss 65 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: is important. And I'll tell you I did an internship 66 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill way back in the nineties the Gingrich Revolution. Yes, 67 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm dating myself. I was there when I saw the 68 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: House go from Democrat control to Republican control. What every 69 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: congressman I talked to there and every staffer, every congressman said, 70 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: and it's still true to this day, is when you're 71 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: in the minority, you have next to no power. Yes, 72 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: you can do some things for your constituents. Yes, you can. 73 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: You know, have a flag flown on the top of 74 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: the Capitol and mail it to a constituent. You can 75 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: help a constituent son or daughter get into one of 76 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: the service academies. I mean, there's things that you can 77 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: do as a congressman, you know, constituent service kind of stuff. 78 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: But as far as passing gloss that the whole country 79 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: is affected by, you're in the minority. You can't do much. 80 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 2: The chairman of the all of the committees are held 81 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: by the people who have the majority there. They have 82 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: subpoena power, they have major, major amounts of you know, 83 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: power over the budget and legislation, even just getting to 84 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: the floor to be voted on. If you're not in power, 85 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: you can't you don't have that. If you're not in 86 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: the majority in Washington, DC, you have next to non 87 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: of power. And that's why you see a lot of 88 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: congressmen retiring when they see the writing on the wall 89 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: that they're going to be in the minority, because you 90 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: know what, it's not a whole lot of fun when 91 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: you're in the minority in Washington. One of the biggest 92 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: differences between the left and the right, between Republicans and Democrats. 93 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: And I've been asked this before. I remember an uncle 94 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: of mine whom I love but we disagree about politics, 95 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: asked me years and years ago, I mean, when I 96 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: was in my early twenties. Maybe, you know, He's like, 97 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: why are you a Republican? Why are you a conservative? 98 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: Why do you want to get involved with the government 99 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: If you don't like the government, why do you want 100 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: to you know, work in government or work or even 101 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: get elected to office. Let's say, if you yourself like, 102 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: don't like the government, what the government is. I never 103 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: understood that he said to me about republicans. And my 104 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: response to him was getting elected to office as a 105 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: Republican and being in power as a Republican. Let's say, 106 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: whether it's you know, in a in the legislative side, 107 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: or whether it's in a governs governor's mansion or the 108 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: presidency or a mayor of a town. It isn't just 109 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: about enacting good policy and getting rid of bad laws 110 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: and you know, doing work on behalf of citizens. You 111 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: know what else it's about. It's key. It's about keeping terrible, 112 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: terrible people from power. It's about keep being people who 113 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: love and crave power, who get intoxicated by power, away 114 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: from it. And do you not agree that there's a 115 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: lot of people who shouldn't have power. Case and point COVID. 116 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: The whole COVID era was a you know, terrible time obviously, 117 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: and everyone listening to this has been alive to remember 118 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: it unless you're a three or a four year old. 119 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: And if you're listening to this, good on you. I 120 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: mean that's if you're three or four years old, you're 121 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: listening to radio talk radio, especially you're a sharp boy 122 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: or girl, Good job kid. You don't remember COVID back 123 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: three four years ago, every other person listening to this 124 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: remembers it. And Man oh Man in Illinois did the 125 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: tyrants named JB. Prisker try to gain as much power 126 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: as humanly possible over the people he works for, but 127 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: doesn't realize that his constituents, people all over the country 128 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 2: who had d's next to their name, saw that. They 129 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: rubbed their hands together. Ah, we've got so much. We're 130 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: going to shut down churches. We're going to shut down restaurants. 131 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: We're going to compel people to get vaccines that aren't 132 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: tested yet. We're going to make people order them to 133 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: wear masks, no matter if any science backs it up 134 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: at all. No. I mean it was talk about the 135 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: really showing people who they are. What's the old quote 136 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: by Maya Angelou. You know when someone shows you or 137 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: tells you who they are, believe them. Oh Man, did 138 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: a lot of Democrats show their true colors back during COVID, 139 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: All of those people who went with the extreme government overreach, 140 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: then all of those people should never be an elected 141 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: office ever again. They should have, you know, great lives 142 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: and do whatever they want to do and you know, 143 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: live their lives no problem, but not be in positions 144 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: of power. You'll hear why on the other side of 145 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: the break, we should keep certain people away from power. 146 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: When I say certain people, I mean, for the most part, Democrats, 147 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: people with DZ next to their name. What could happen 148 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: when people get in power who aren't paying attention to 149 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: a lot of the government programs? And well, you'll see 150 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: what we're talking about. This absolute crazy scandal up in 151 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: Minnesota that we only touched on on yesterday's show. We're 152 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: going to get into it. On the other side of 153 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: the break, this is Tony Kats today. I am Mike 154 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: Coolidge in for Tony Stay with us, Yes, yes, yes, 155 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: welcome back to Tony Cats today. I am Mike Coolidge 156 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: in for Tony Cats. So what happens when Democrats are 157 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: in charge of things? What happens when I don't know, 158 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: Republican senators side in a state house to not take 159 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: advantage of an opportunity to add easily to Republican seats 160 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: to the US Congress, much like Democrats and other states 161 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: have been doing four years. There's probably anywhere from I 162 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: don't know, fifteen to twenty seats that should be Republican 163 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: if Mapster drm properly held by Democrats that should be 164 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: held by Republicans because of Jerry Manderin and other states, 165 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: and Indiana had an opportunity to fix that yesterday by 166 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: two seats, which might make the difference in the midterms, 167 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: but they did not. Anyway, what happens, what's the result 168 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: of that? You know, this isn't a game where well, 169 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: you know, Indiana has twenty and Georgia and the National 170 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: Championship has seventeen. That's it. Indiana is National champions by 171 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: the way. That is what's going to be the National 172 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: championship this year. It's going to be Indiana versus University 173 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: of Georgia. No, and so yeah, that's right. And then 174 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: they got more points and on they go. No, this 175 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: isn't just about points and who's in charge. It's about 176 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: the policy that's enacted. 177 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: Well. 178 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: Up in Minnesota, which is not as blue a state 179 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: as Illinois, but it's a blue state. They have Republican 180 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: congressman there, not a lot, I think one or two, 181 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: but only a couple of years ago they had Tim 182 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: Paul Lenti the statewide governor there, pretty conservative guy. Too. 183 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: I think he ran for president for five minutes. They 184 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 2: had a Republican US senator too. They're not that far 185 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: gone Minnesota, and they always had three or four. They're 186 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: always like a D plus four or five when they 187 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: talk about the electoral college. But again, because Democrats are 188 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: much better at getting their voters out and that whole 189 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 2: all that, the whole mechanism of voting than Republicans are, 190 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: they have the power there. Well, this is what happened 191 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: when they got powered. This is from CBS News, not 192 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: a conservative outlet. Jonah Kaplan see how Minnesota fraudsters spent 193 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: millions earmarked for hungry kids, luxury cars, private villas, overseas 194 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: wire transfers. CBS News obtained dozens of files and photos 195 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: that reveal how Minnesota fraudsters blew through hundreds of millions 196 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: in taxpayer dollars as part of the one of the 197 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: biggest COVID era fraud schemes. Talking about COVID, files document 198 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: a spending spree in which defendants, many of Somalia Somali descent, 199 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: took taxpayer money meant to feed hungry children and used 200 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: it to buy cars, property, and jewelry. Videos show them 201 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: popping champagne at an opulent Malded's resort. In a text message, 202 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: one defendant boasts you are going to be the rich. 203 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: It's just twenty five year old insha allah, which means 204 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: God willing. The documents feature exhibits from a recent federal trial, 205 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: many of which are being made public by CBS News 206 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: for the first time. Did The exhibits include a confirmation 207 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: email for a stay in an overwater villa with a 208 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: private pool at Radison Blue Resort, Maldive's lakefront property in Minnesota. Er, 209 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's one property of Minnesota, showing wire transfers 210 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: to China and East Africa, first class tickets to Istanbul 211 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: and Amsterdam, a twenty twenty one Porsche Makin. I think 212 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying that right, Stas. I don't have a Porsche, 213 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: is it Macan? I don't know. Sacks of cashed texted 214 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: between defendants and so on and so forth. At the 215 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: sendencing of a defendant who used taxpayer funds for cars 216 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: and Maldives and the Maldives or Maldive's vacation, twenty four 217 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: year old ab Dimajad Mohammad nur Us District Judge Nancy 218 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: Brazel admonished him, saying, quote, where others saw a crisis 219 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: and rushed to help, you saw money and rushed to steal. 220 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: He was sentenced to ten years in prison in order 221 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: to pay nearly forty eight million in restitution for his 222 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: role in the fraud scheme. Nor is one of dozens 223 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: who siphoned hundreds of millions in stolen taxpayer funds, with 224 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: questions still swirling about where all the money went. The 225 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: crime has drawn renewed attention in recent weeks. House Republicans 226 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: last week launched a probe into Minnesota Governor Tim Wallas's 227 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: handling of the cases, and the Treasury Department said it 228 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: will investigate whether money made its way to Al Kaeda 229 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: affiliate Al Shabab, which is based in Somalia. Scott Dessent, 230 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: Treasurer Secretary, said Sunday on faced the nation, a lot 231 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: of money has been transferred from the individuals who committed 232 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: this fraud. Much of that money has gone overseas and 233 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: we're tracking that both to the Middle East and to 234 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: Somalia to see what the uses of that have been. 235 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: Multiple federal investigators told CBS News there's no evidence taxpayer 236 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: dollars were funneled to Al Shabab, Yet, and prosecutors have 237 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: yet to present any evidence linking any of the fraudsters 238 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: to terrorism. Yet I'm adding the Yet, the vast majority 239 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: of the money that these folks made went to spending 240 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: on luxury items for themselves. Does this make it okay? 241 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: There have never been any evidence that this money went 242 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: to fund terrorism, nor is there any evidence that that 243 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: was the intent of the seventy people who were indicted. Okay, 244 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: who cares? They still did extremely egregious, unethical and illegal things. 245 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: Is there is there any sense of you know, guilt? 246 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: Is there is there any sense of shame on the 247 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: part of these these people who were arrested for this. 248 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: The CBS News review of the file shows the defendants 249 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: wires wired millions and stolen funds overseas, including to banks 250 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: and companies in China. Official said finding the ultimate receipt 251 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: of money routed through China will be challenging because it 252 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: can be an investigative black hole. The defendants also transferred 253 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: nearly three million dollars to accounts in Kenya. Abdi Zizi's 254 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 2: Chaffi Farah thirty six, who was sentenced to twenty eight 255 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: years in prison last month for his role in the scheme. 256 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: Made six separate wire transfers worth more than one million 257 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: dollars to banks in China between February and July of 258 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, according to records reviewed by CBS News. 259 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: Do you remember I can vividly remember the sort of 260 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: crisis that was going on. I want to say was 261 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: about this time of the year, either in twenty twenty 262 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: or twenty twenty one. I seem to remember, like Lindsey 263 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: Graham on the floor of the Senate talking about like 264 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: four trillion dollars that was going to be spent to 265 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: deal with this COVID stuff. Four trillion. That's four thousand billion. 266 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: That's how much. Four trillion is. Four thousand billion, not 267 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 2: four thousand million. Four thousand billion, that's what four trillion is. 268 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: That is a lot of money. It's hard to wrap 269 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: your head around. And you know, if you've ever been 270 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: audited by the IRS, or you pay your taxes, you 271 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: play by the rules, you send your money to DC. 272 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: What's the old line a fine? This isn't even a line. 273 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: I think it's like a fortune cookie. A fine is 274 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: when you do something is when you do something bad. 275 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: A tax is when you do something good, either way, 276 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: the government's getting your money. Right. If you're successful, you 277 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: get taxed. If you do something bad, you get fined. 278 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: Guess who gets the money either way, the government. And 279 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: this is the kind of stuff they did with it. 280 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: And almost all of these kind of programs were run 281 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: in Minnesota by Democrats, or at least it was under 282 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: the umbrella of Democrats at the time. What do they 283 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: think about it? Well, we'll hear from that Governor Wall's character. 284 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: On the other side of this break, this is Tony 285 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge. That's spelled with a 286 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 2: K in for Tony. Stay with us. We're back on 287 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge in for Tony. 288 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: I believe Tony. We'll be back on these airwaves on Monday. 289 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: But this is day number two of filling in for 290 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: Tony and I love it. I love talking to his listeners. 291 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: I know he's built a huge following over the many 292 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 2: years he's been on the radio, particularly in Indiana. I 293 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: know where the show is broadcast from, but I know 294 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: it's on other great stations as well. I make my 295 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: home in the Midwest to just one state over the 296 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: great state of Illinois. It is a great state. I 297 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: love Illinois. I'm here by choice. Me and my wife 298 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: moved here. Well, I moved here in two thousand and 299 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: my wife a couple of years before me. But she 300 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: grew up in Georgia, which is why we're big Juga 301 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: Georgia fans. I grew up in New Jersey, went to 302 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: school in Boston, was in the Army for six years, 303 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: was in Louisiana and Kentucky and Chicago and Kuwait and Iraq, 304 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: and then moved back to Chicago. When I got out 305 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: of the army, hosted or produced a helped produce a 306 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 2: radio show out of Chicago for half a year or so. 307 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: Then got my own talk show in two thousand and six, 308 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: syndicated it in two thousand and eight and did it 309 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: all the way until twenty twenty one, and then ran 310 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: for Congress, was not success, and have been working behind 311 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: the scenes in politics for the last two years. I 312 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: also am the county chairman of our local Republican Party. 313 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: We have a US Senate and US governor statewide race 314 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: coming up next year and some other statewide races, and 315 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: don't count Illinois out as far as winning a one 316 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: of those two, possibly both. It's I know it sounds 317 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: crazy blue Illinois, but there's a lot of Pritzker fatigue 318 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: in our state, let's put it that way, and we 319 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: have a couple of really good Republican candidates running against him. 320 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: He's running for his third term, and man, would that 321 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: be embarrassing if this guy who has delusions about running 322 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: for president gets shellacked and loses the governor's mansion next 323 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: year and then his political career is completely done. That's 324 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: not that far fetched. A lot of things have to 325 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: go the Republicans way, but it could happen in the 326 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: US Senate race too. It's an open seat. Durban's retiring, 327 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: and there's three Democrats running against each other that they 328 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: are going to pound the heck out of each other 329 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: before the primary, which is in March for US. And 330 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: then there's really only one serious Republican running and he's 331 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: going to come out on top of the primary, and 332 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: he has a decent shot at winning statewide. Believe it 333 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: or not, Check this space in one year and we'll 334 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: see if my prediction is true. Again, it's unlikely, I 335 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 2: would say, or it's that the odds are not super high. 336 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: But there is a chance for both of those, So 337 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: mark my words now up in Minnesota. So anyway, the 338 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: point of all that is tell you a little bit 339 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: about me and where I come from and where I live. 340 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: But I love the state of Indiana. I am extremely 341 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: impressed by the Purdue basketball team and the Indiana Hoosiers 342 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: football team. My goodness, what an incredible year they had, 343 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: the best year ever. I don't care what happens for 344 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: the rest of this college football playoffs. Indiana Hoosiers like undefeated. 345 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: Beat Ohio State, beat every team they played, beat Oregon. 346 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: I mean, wow, what a thing. And I as a 347 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: Georgia Bulldog fan who's watched my team win two national 348 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: championships in the last couple of years. If they wind 349 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: up making it to Indiana, or actually to Miami, because 350 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: that's where the national championship is going to be. If 351 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: they wind up playing Indiana in the National Championship and 352 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: Indiana wins, I'm not gonna cry. Honestly, George had a 353 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: great year. If they make it to the national championship again, great. 354 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: I'll tell you when I was sitting there in Indianapolis, 355 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: of all places, when I watched the Georgia Bulldogs win 356 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: the National Championship back in twenty twenty one, beating Alabama. Well, 357 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: what it was really cool about watching that game, First 358 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: of all, Indianapolis a frigidly cold January and Indianapolis surprise, surprise. 359 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: But had a fantastic time there before the game, During 360 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: the game obviously, and a little bit after the game too. 361 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: But what was cool about being there in the stadium 362 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: for the game was being with, you know, a bunch 363 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: of Alabama fans and they had won a bunch of 364 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: national championships prior, and they were kind of crapping on 365 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: their team. They were openly admitting, like, Georgia deserves to 366 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: win this, We're just not doing it. We're just not 367 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 2: running the ball. Well, we're not playing good defense. We 368 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: threw a terrible interception there. Like, I really grew some 369 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: respect for Alabama fans, at least the ones that were 370 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: in Indianapolis that night. But they were up Alabama, and 371 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 2: then Georgia came back and won, and it was the 372 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: greatest sports memory I have had since the New York 373 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: Mets won the World Series in nineteen eighty six. For me, Yeah, 374 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm telling you way too much information. Here, I know, 375 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: but I just wanted to tie in a little Indianapolis 376 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: memory for me because I know a lot our listeners 377 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: are in that area, and also predicting that you Indiana 378 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: Hoosiers fans, if you wind up playing Georgia in the 379 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: National Championship, which I bet you if you were betting 380 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: on sports, that matchup probably has the best odds. I'm 381 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and say, if I find myself at 382 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: that game, I might be in Alabama's shoes and be like, ah, man, 383 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: you know what, Georgia. It's just not because I yelled 384 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 2: at the screen this year when Georgia lost to Alabama 385 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: the first time, then they beat him the second band. 386 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: And if they wind up losing to the Indiana Hoosiers, 387 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: it's going to be because Indiana's better obviously, and they 388 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: have a better day, a better Monday night, And you know, 389 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to jinx it. The Indiana has a 390 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: couple of games to win before they get there, but 391 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: they have a really good shot at winning. And I 392 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: hope if it's not the Georgia Bulldogs winning a third 393 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: National championship in what five or six years, my second 394 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: favorite team I want to win will be Indiana, all right, 395 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: but let's talk about Minnesota now. Before the rig we're 396 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: talking about this scandal with this crazy, crazy COVID money 397 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: to the tune of one billion dollars being stolen by 398 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: these shysters. CBS News is reporting about the money that 399 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: was spent in the Maldives, money that was supposed to 400 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: feed people, all this COVID money that just you know, 401 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: I was saying before the break, we spend all this 402 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: money in our taxes. We pay a fine. If we 403 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 2: do something wrong, we get penalized. If we do something well, 404 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: like succeed and make money in a year, we send 405 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: it to DC. We send it to our state capitals. 406 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: You think that they're good stores of that money. Right 407 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: when they voted on the floor of the House and 408 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: Senate to give four trillion dollars in tax money back 409 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: to the population of the United States, you thought maybe 410 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: those in charge at the time were being good stores 411 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: of it. Well, apparently not. Tim Walls is the governor 412 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: of Minnesota right now. He's like a JB. Pritzker. I 413 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: think he's running for a third term, and man, that 414 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: would be great if he got shellacked and thrown out 415 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: of office. You may have remembered him. He was the 416 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: buffoon who was Kamala Harris's running mate. Here was his 417 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: response to listen to the question from the reporter about 418 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: this and then listen to his response here we go. 419 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: Do you want to hear more from members of leaders 420 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: from the small community to say we need to hold 421 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: our we need to look at ourselves, we need to 422 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: hold our home dagers accountable to little bit damage that. 423 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 3: This is don tart. 424 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: What do you want to hear more instead of just 425 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: saying to see more oversight from look, it's not law 426 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: abiding citizens. 427 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 3: If that were the case, there's a lot of white 428 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 3: men should be holding a lot of white men accountable 429 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: for the crimes that they have committed. I think for 430 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: the community to maybe educate their population because I think 431 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: what you're seeing here is there are secondary victims in this, 432 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: that there's dividers inside the community that are then victimizing 433 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: the creutity himself by signing them up. Because when we're 434 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: going to some of these people, they're like, I had 435 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: no idea I was in this program. So I think 436 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: it's it's asking us then, you know, for every crime, 437 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 3: which of course the majority being committed by white men, 438 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: asking us to do more about that. I think it's 439 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: crime in general, and I think the biggest thing on 440 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: this is is just making sure that we're educating the population. 441 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: And again, this is eighty people or so that have 442 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: been convicted in this, maybe some more in that out 443 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: of a problem. 444 00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: Wow, you thought Kamala Harris was the queen of word salads. No, 445 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: Tim Wallas has given her a run for her money. 446 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: He goes on, here's good number two. 447 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: Again, this is eighty people or so that have been 448 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: convicted in this, maybe some more in that out of 449 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: a broader ring. Medicaid fraud will stretch across all racial demographics, 450 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: all ethnic groups. So I think it's really important for 451 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: us to note each each community's got this in their 452 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: own Mitch. But to blame them and say that they 453 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: should have been responsible for stopping it, I think that's 454 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: a pretty hard reach. I think we continue to educate 455 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: folks about why they shouldn't commit crimes. You would hope 456 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: that it's being taught both at home and at schools 457 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: and in our society. But no, I think this idea 458 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: that the Somali community is to blame for this because 459 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: they didn't do more. I think that's how we got 460 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: into this. And that's you know again, I know we're 461 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: not going to lose the whole plot here. All this 462 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: work is being done. Donald Trump brought this to the 463 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: attention like this is something brand new is it's not 464 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: brand new, and it's been being worked on, but he 465 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: made it quite hot and very dangerous. Again. 466 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: You can you can almost hear and smell the smoke, 467 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: you know, as his brain is working coming out of 468 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: his ears. Wait, he's like, wait, I've talked too long 469 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: and I haven't mentioned Donald Trump. Donald Trump must be 470 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: somehow responsible for this. This was funds, by the way, 471 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: sent directly to the states, and then the governors were 472 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: in charge of this money. Remember how fast it all 473 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: went out. Those of you older than four years old 474 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: listening to this, how fast that money went out? And 475 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean this was This is the kind of stuff 476 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: that went on in war zones where you have, you know, 477 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars on pallets sent to Afghanistan 478 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: or Iraq and then it's just given off in US 479 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: dollars to the villages there like hey, guys, uh, here, 480 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: do with it what you want. That that happened all 481 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: over the blaze, totally unencumbered, totally unwatched, totally not kept 482 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: track of. When you send your money to the state 483 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: capitol and to Washington, d C. Don't you think that 484 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: the people in charge of it are being good stewards 485 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: of it? But they rush this money out from DC. 486 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: Trusted the individual states to be good stewards of it 487 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: and they weren't. And Tim Walls in Minnesota, who I mean, 488 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: he's being invested. He could get in serious trouble for 489 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: some of this stuff, and I hope he does. But 490 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: if he doesn't, if he doesn't lose the governor's mansion 491 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, I don't even know if they have imagined 492 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: they If he doesn't lose his political career over this 493 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: at the very minimum, if not face legal conso quences 494 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: for this, what is to stop this kind of thing 495 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: from happening again? It will happen again, and what and 496 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: then what are we left with? What we're left with 497 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: is we have to make sure people like that don't 498 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 2: get in power. We have to keep people like Tim 499 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: Walls and Kamala Harris and JB. Pritzker away from power. 500 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: They're at the very least incompetent and barely literate and 501 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: at the worst they're smart as can be, but have really, 502 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: really terrible intentions with what they want to do with 503 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: the money, let alone the power that they're given. Best 504 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: way to make sure people like that don't have power 505 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: is to elect Republicans and then when Republicans get power, 506 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: they have to actually do something with it and not 507 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: give Democrats more power ahem. Talking about the senators in 508 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: Indianapolis yesterday. We'll be at back on the Republican senators. 509 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: We'll be at back on Tony Katz today. I am 510 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 2: Mike Coolidge in for Tony. Stay with us. I can 511 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: through the setup we have here barely kind of hear 512 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: that music, that bumper music, and I can't. I can't. 513 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at the name that tune, that one 514 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. Welcome back to Tony Katz today. I 515 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: am Mike Coolidge in for Tony. We've got a lot 516 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 2: coming up in our number three of the show today, 517 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: including how Trump changed America and who are the top 518 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: eight Democrats looking to unseat a Republican in the White 519 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: House in twenty twenty eight. Who do we think they are. 520 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: We're going to go through each one of them in 521 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: our number two. But you know, just sticking on this 522 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: terrible decision that Indiana senators made yesterday. Jadie Vance, the 523 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: Vice President, even tweeted about this or posted about this 524 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: on X. Said Rod Bray, the Senate leader in Indiana, 525 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: has consistently told us he would not fight redistricting while 526 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: simultaneously whipping his members against it. That level of dishonesty 527 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 2: cannot be rewarded, and the Indiana GOP needs to choose 528 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 2: a side then someone else. On X, Christian hines, why 529 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: are Republican lawmakers in Indiana such stone cold losers of 530 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: all the hills to die on for the sake of principle, 531 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: You're going to choose hand your enemies two free congressional seats. 532 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 2: And then Jennifer Van Laar posted. I maintained that Republicans 533 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 2: in most extremely red states like Indiana are soft because 534 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: they've never had to truly battle or feel the fear 535 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 2: those of us living behind the blue curtain have felt. 536 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: They don't see the opposition. Clearly, I concur as somebody 537 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: who lives behind the blue curtain of Illinois, it's not 538 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: good here. It is really, really terrible, and we're the 539 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: we're the almost a diametric opposite to Indiana as far 540 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: as who our elected leader that you know, the power level, 541 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: we have a super minority in Illinois. I'm sorry, Yeah, 542 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: we're in the super minority in Illinois in the House, 543 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 2: in the Senate, meaning we can't even like stop or 544 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: filibuster or you know some According to the only Constitution, 545 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: laws need to go have a you know, super majority 546 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: to pass. Well, the Democrats have so much power that 547 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: they can you know, lose a couple of votes from 548 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: Democrats and still be able to pass even the most 549 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: extreme sort of legislation. Our property taxes here are insane. 550 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 2: It's just the worst governed state in the country. And 551 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: Indiana you have it really good. Anyway, Well, we're at 552 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 2: back aroon number two, twenty cats today to stay with us.