1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Well, a lot of people are going 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: to talk about double tap. I want to talk about 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: two fronts. And I am not excusing anything, and I 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: am not saying that media has this right. It's media 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: odds are they have it very very wrong. Tony Katz, 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, guys, good to be with you, Good 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: to be here. You know the story about the Venezuelan 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: drug boats and this reporting that you had the US 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: military hit one of these Venezuelan drug boats and then 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: realizing that there were people still alive from the hit, 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: go back and kill those people. That's the argument. That's 13 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: the reporting that is out there that Pete hag Seth, 14 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: the Secretary of War, Secretary of Defensive it's not official yet, 15 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: said kill everybody. The House wants a full accounting of 16 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: the boat strike. This was a Washington Post story. Yes. 17 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: The minute I heard it was a Washington Post story, 18 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: I said, oh, okay, let's take our time here. If 19 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: you think I'm gonna believe the Washington Post, off the 20 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: quick your nuts. Now you'll note the difference between us 21 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: and them. We said, based on their history. We're not 22 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: going to believe it right away on the quick. We're 23 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: not gonna simply take it as gospel. What they say is, oh, 24 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: so you don't believe the news when it's about Trump. 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: The Washington Post has proven itself to be liars and frauds. 26 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: I have trusted social media. Do I still absolutely not? 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: After what they did to the New York Post and 28 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: the unwillingness, the purposeful evading of covering the Hunter Biden 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: laptop story, everything they did about Russia, Russia, Russia, a 30 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: whole host of subjects, There's no reason to believe these 31 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: people at all. So the story is is that this 32 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: double tap was there were people still survivors clinging to 33 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: the wreckage. This was a strike that goes back to September. 34 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: September second actually was the strike, and that or the 35 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: Special Operations Commander ordered a second attack to comply with 36 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Hegset's order. What Trump is saying is that Hegset tells 37 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: me it didn't happen, Therefore it didn't happen, so I 38 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: do not have to think about it. This was on 39 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: board Air Force one. Can you talk a little bit 40 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: about the strikes and the controversy around the Secretary of Defense, 41 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: ke Nigs said, I don't know anything about it. 42 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: He said, he said, he did not say that, And 43 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: I believe that. 44 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: If you don't know if there was a second two men, 45 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: the second strike to kill the two men after I 46 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: made he said, he never said, would you be okay 47 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: with that? 48 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: If he did, he. 49 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Said, he didn't do. 50 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: It's going to have to make that decision to him. 51 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: As now, that is a touch throwing hegseth under the bus. 52 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: It is a touch, plausible dynam plausible deniability, and a touch. 53 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: He may not have all the data at his fingertips, 54 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: which seems to have a lot of people upset. Oh 55 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: my gosh, we have to look into Trump's mental acuity. 56 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: He doesn't know this, He doesn't know that. Oh holy hell. 57 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Maybe he got an early briefing, he didn't get a 58 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: later briefing. Maybe he got a later briefing. And yet 59 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: there's another briefing. Maybe developments of changed. And before you 60 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: say anything to this rabid press core that we have 61 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: already determined based on the facts, lies and engages a 62 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: narrative and not data. Maybe waiting just a little bit 63 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: is the right thing to do. The press sets a 64 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: standard of being horrific. We don't play into that standard. 65 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: And then they say, why aren't you playing into the standard? 66 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: You see, that's proof of the problem. You gotta love them. 67 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: I do not know two things about this. Number one, 68 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: what is the standard? And number two? What is legal? 69 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: Now you say to me, how could it be legal 70 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: to do this? We're talking about the military here, we 71 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: might not be talking about and I don't believe we 72 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: are talking about us. What constitutional rights do drug runners 73 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: from Venezuela have. Then there's the very idea of the standard. 74 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: So in terms of how how the military views these things, 75 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: I don't have an answer. I'm searching for it. I've 76 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: reached out to my people. Don't have it yet. I 77 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: want to make sure I understand it. So I want 78 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: you to know what I'm asking. So the legality military, 79 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: in terms of what the military does and what their 80 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: rules are, that's number one. And then there is the standard. 81 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Would we, in any other situation go back and finish 82 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: killing the drug runners? The fact that someone may not 83 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: like the standard, the fact that someone may clutch their 84 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: pearls and find it offensive, that is not what's the word. 85 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking for. Policy that doesn't make them right, and 86 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't make it the standard, as if somehow they're 87 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: clutching the pearls is the standard? No, no, no, no no. 88 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: What is it that we do and how is it 89 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: that we do it? That shouldn't that be the question. 90 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: Now again, I will say to you that I have 91 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: absolutely zero issue with taking out these drug boats and 92 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: I do not believe they are entitled to any due 93 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: process at all. If the intelligence says they are drug running, 94 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: then they are engaged in an attack on the United States. 95 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: That is my take. Now the military has another take. Okay, 96 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Then we get into something we talked about, because we 97 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: have the capability, shocking of having two thoughts in our 98 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: head at the same time, we logically broke this down. 99 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: Now we get into the idea of whether or not 100 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: we're at war with Maduro, whether or not we are 101 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: at war with Venezuela. The story goes that Trump said 102 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: to Maduro, Hey, maybe you should leave now and you 103 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: can get safe passage. He can, oh, yeah, safe passage 104 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: for Nicholas Maduro to head out of town to leave 105 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: with his family. There are eleven US warships right now 106 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, fifteen thousand troops. That kids is taking 107 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: it ready to go. That is putting yourself in a 108 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: place to end this before it starts. So Trump gives 109 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Venezuela's Maduro the out. It's an ultimatum. You and your 110 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: family can leave or this is going to get bad. 111 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: What we have stated here when we say get bad, 112 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: clearly it's going to be some level of war, some 113 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: level of bombing, some level of bring Venezuela very easily 114 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: to its knees. There was also a report that Russia 115 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: and China, which have long been supportive of Venezuela, of 116 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: course the communists of Hugo Shaves and now Nicholas Maduro, 117 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: and of course the oil that they can extract from 118 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: near nothing out of the ground. Remember, they can't feed 119 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: their people. They eat pigeons. But the Chinese and the 120 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Russians are getting super fat on oil. They have been 121 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: nowhere in this, nowhere to be seen in this. Why 122 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: is that? Where are they going? Back to a conversation 123 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: we had a couple of weeks ago, it is very 124 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: possible that there has been a understanding reached about we're 125 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: going to take this hemisphere, and you can do with 126 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: that hemisphere. Now we do have a couple of friends 127 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: that we can't abandon. But in the end, this is 128 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: the way it works. We're going to defend ours and 129 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: you have to leave. Which is like this idea that 130 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: they've carved up the world, right, the US and China 131 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and Russia have carved up the world. And first of all, 132 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: if you're India, you're like, excuse us, we have something 133 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: we'd like to say here. Certainly the Turks aren't gonna 134 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: be okay with that. And then you say, well, we 135 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: just sold F thirty five strike fighters and Abrams tanks 136 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: to the Saudis. Yeah, we did that for us, not 137 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: the Saudis. More and more it's looking like that, isn't it. 138 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: More and more it is looking Major Miclons I think 139 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: had it dead on. It is looking like the sale 140 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: of this weaponry to Saudi Arabia is about providing us 141 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: a base that is, well, the entire country of Saudi 142 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: Arabia for when we might need to engage some action 143 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: forward the Venezuela conversation. Are we going to now start 144 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: dropping bombs on Venezuela? I mean, I got myself a 145 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: little sidetracked. I want to get back to it. You're 146 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: gonna let Maduro go and then what happens. Remember he 147 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: did steal the election. We know that they don't have 148 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: legitimate elections. We're fully aware of this, sure, but you'll 149 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: note that not only have the Chinese and the Russians 150 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: had very little to say Congress, same thing. We mentioned 151 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: how people like like Ranpaul and others had brought up, 152 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? This is an act of 153 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: war and we said it because we're able to keep 154 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: two thoughts in our head at the same time that 155 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: we have no problem with taking out the drug boats. 156 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: But if you're going to engage in a war, in 157 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: a war action, you are going to need the authorization 158 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: of Congress. That's the way the system works, and the 159 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: president is not above it. You'll notice that nobody's asking 160 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: for that. There is no large clamoring for that. There 161 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: is no claring call for that. Congress, both parties not 162 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: working together to say, excuse us, mister president, but we 163 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: decide these things here and Article one of the Constitution 164 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: is about to come crashing down on your Article two 165 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: head right, that's not happening. So can we ask the question, 166 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: why not why not all this talk, all this everything 167 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: and now you've got eleven warships fifteen thousand troops. You've 168 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: quite literally changed a balance the power in terms of 169 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: where we project power around the globe because you have 170 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: to move those things from one place to another, and 171 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: Congress has got nothing to say. It seems to me, 172 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: as an outsider looking in, if it's you and me 173 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: having a bourbon on the barstool, isn't that a little 174 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: bit of a wink and a nod to Okay, let's 175 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: see what happens. Go ahead, mister president. We know you 176 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: got this. We're good. Hey, we understand which way the 177 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: wind blows, and we're fine with this. Explain to me 178 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: how this is in tacit endorsement, which, as a guy 179 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: who believes in the Constitution, I'm still not super cool with. 180 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: But I'm viewing it. I'm like, oh, okay, if they're 181 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: not going to act, what is the president supposed to do? Well, 182 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: he's not allowed to do this. Not true, Not true. 183 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: The president has an extremely wide birth when it comes 184 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: to foreign policy, when it comes to the defense of 185 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: the nation. The Supreme Court has said so repeatedly. There 186 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: is a fantastic I'll find it a fantastic piece from 187 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt, really really good about the rules of engagement 188 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: and specifically this idea that the president has this very 189 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: very wide birth and Hewitt posted this long, long post 190 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: about it. Hewett is a lawyer. As a radio host, 191 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: I think he run does he run the Nixon Library? 192 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: Interesting dude, nice dude. And he quotes in this long post. 193 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: He quotes, he quotes not only a Justice Renquist, but 194 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: a few other justices, and it's renquists before he was 195 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: chief Justice. And he talks about what's known as a 196 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: never ending tension. And the quote here is, as we 197 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: now turn to the factual and legal issues in this case, 198 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: this case that Justice Rehnquist is referring to. Quote, we 199 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: freely confess that we are obviously deciding only one more 200 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: episode in the never ending tension between the president exercising 201 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: the executive authority in a world that presents each day 202 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: some new challenge with which he must deal and the 203 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: constitution under which we all live and which no one 204 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: disputes embodies some sort of system of checks and balances. 205 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: Really interesting you. So the phrase there, this never ending tension, 206 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: it's this constant back and forth that we deal with. 207 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: But he goes on to discuss this idea that comes 208 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: from a case in nineteen thirty six United States versus 209 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: Curtis Right Export Corporation, and the Supreme Court held that 210 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: a political society cannot endure without a supreme will somewhere, 211 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: meaning someone making the decision quote, sovereignty is never held 212 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: in suspense. That line should cause you to take a 213 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: sip of your bourbon and say, oh damn, that's smart, 214 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: meaning that no matter what the Congress might think, or 215 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: no matter what debate is taking place, nobody is going 216 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: to this is how I took it. No one's going 217 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: to pause. The world is not going to stop while 218 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: you reflect and ponder and consider, which is why the 219 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: powers I would argue of the presidency are vast in 220 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: that while that's happening, and I do not argue it's happening, 221 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: I actually support it's happening. You must deal with the 222 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: reality in front of you. And the reality, which is 223 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: a political reality based on winning an election, is that Venezuela. 224 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Certainly the data shows us so, and certainly we know 225 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: so in our anecdotal lives runs drugs in the United States, 226 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: wants to do harms. The United States is trying to 227 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: kill children or will kill children with the fence and 228 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: all and other things coming in and they have to 229 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: be stopped. I want to know where Congress is to 230 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: have this debate, and they're nowhere. They are nowhere to 231 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: be found. Little grumblings is all. I've seen, nothing big 232 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: now that could all change in a moment. Nothing yet 233 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: which leads me to believe that it is tacit endorsement. Now. 234 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: I said at the beginning this was one of two 235 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: things to look at. I really didn't get to the 236 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: other thing, and I will, which is what Japan's doing 237 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: to thwart China and whether or not they've got a 238 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: friend in US. Even if I am correct, and the 239 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: decisions have been made that this is our and other 240 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: people are gonna have to fend for themselves, which might 241 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: very well be what the Japanese are doing. Something to 242 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: keep an eye on this Venezuela build up as well. 243 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. I'm not 244 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: sure I understand the ruling, but this was about Helena Haba. 245 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Alena Habba was Trump's lawyer during the campaign and all 246 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: the cases against him, the cases of nonsense. Yeah, and 247 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: she's been serving there as the prosecutor in New Jersey. 248 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. Somehow, 249 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: the Third Circuit has said in a unanimous order that 250 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: a lower court was correct to disqualify Alena Habba from 251 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: being the US attorney in New Jersey. The administration could 252 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: possibly ask for the full panel, which would be known 253 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: as en banc bas see of the full Panel of 254 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: the Third Circuit, to take a look at this. They 255 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: could just go to the Supreme Court. But what's the argument, right, 256 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: Why is it that somehow she can't be appointed? Oh? 257 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: I get it. So she was put in on a 258 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: temporary appointment. And then what happened was was that the 259 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: nonsense I believe judges in New Jersey somehow wouldn't keep 260 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: her on. They were engaged in what politics? And then 261 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: so Trump and the Attorney General, Pam Bondi utilized the 262 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: maneuver here and there to get her back in the 263 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: idea is that Trump sidestep the Senate, exploited loopholes and 264 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: federal vacancies to keep his preferred prosecutors in place. Sounds 265 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: like politics, wan on one to me, No, No, sounds 266 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: like somethingmocrats do and they're like, why is Donald Trump 267 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: keeping justice from taking place? And now it's this, But 268 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: it's another great example of here's Lena Habba. Then you've 269 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: got the Lindsay Halligan story out of Virginia. I go 270 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: back to it again and again and again, what's wrong 271 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: with Pam Bondy? And some people are gonna say, how 272 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: dare you call it? Pam BONDI she's the best jury 273 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: general who ever lived to know. I don't think she is. 274 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm disappointed. I need things to run smoother. I don't 275 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: quite understand what Habba did that's wrong here or what 276 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: the appointment issue is. I think that is something that 277 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: can be fought, at least based on a first read. 278 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Why can't things just go smooth? That's the part that's 279 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: bothering me. The idea of losing on the Komy case, 280 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: where he clearly lied and clearly leaked, did leak information 281 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: to the press. The idea of losing that on the 282 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: technicality of how Lindsay Halligan was put in the position 283 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: a prosecutor. That's insane. That is embarrassing and shameful stuff. 284 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: Dot your eyes and cross your t's. It's all it takes. Oh, comy. 285 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: But this is interesting. This is an interesting case. I 286 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: do think it gets appealed. I or do you just 287 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: go back and reappoint her again? Be watching what happens here. 288 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats Today. You're gonna 289 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: hear a lot more about Indiana in this redistricting fight 290 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: because they did hold the special sash or they started 291 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: it literally today and they put out what could be 292 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: the new congressional map and oh good lord, it is 293 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: something else. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be 294 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: with you. What I don't know is what were people 295 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: expecting perfectly drawn nine squares. First of all, Indiana can't 296 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: be drawn into nine squares, AND's it because we have 297 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: nine districts nine squares. And secondly, that's not how any 298 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: district is drawn nowhere in the country, meaning there's always 299 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: something an extra street here, an extra move it over 300 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: to the river there, no, no, no, we want this 301 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: group over here. Districts are not drawn based on fairness. 302 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: They're drawn based on power. You take the census, you 303 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: draw a district, but there is no rule that says 304 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: you can only draw once. State legislators can draw districts 305 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: every two years. If they choose, well, the courts won't 306 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: let them. Maybe the courts are a little bit activist 307 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: because the decision on districts doesn't belong to the courts. 308 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: It belongs to the state legislatures. And me I want 309 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: the state legislatures to have power, which is why I 310 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I want to get rid of the direct election of senators. 311 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: Direct go ahead, search it. Direct election of senators. This 312 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: is the seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The 313 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: cener of the United States shall be composed of two 314 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: Senators of each state, elected by the people thereof for 315 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: six years, and each senator shall have one vote. Nonsense. 316 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: Senators prior to this were selected by the state legislatures 317 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: exactly as they should be, so they are more responsive 318 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: to the state and less responsive to the whims of 319 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: the mob, which is to say, we the people, that's 320 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: what we have a house of representatives for. You wanted 321 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: to vote for the members of your state legislature who 322 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: would then choose a senator to do the work for 323 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: the state in the US Senate, that's what you want. 324 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: The direct election of senators has made things a hot mess. 325 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: This was nineteen thirteen. We have not been doing good work. 326 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. We did not do well with the 327 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: direct election of senators. It was a mistake, a mistake 328 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: of the highest order. But I want legislatures being the 329 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: ones who draw the maps, and then the people, if 330 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: they don't like the map, can vote out members of 331 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: the legislature. Exactly what I said about Texas and their redistricting. 332 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: I absolutely oppose these independent commissions that decide where the 333 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: boundaries are. No, no, no, Progressives decide where the boundaries are. 334 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: Then they put in these independent commissions to keep the 335 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: boundaries exactly where they want them. It was all a 336 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: power play. All politics is a power play. And there 337 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: are a lot of people talking about Indiana and other 338 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: states saying, well, this is just a power grap Yeah, 339 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: grow up, Yes it is. You vote for a party, 340 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: you vote for a philosophy, that philosophy wins, that philosophy 341 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: gets to take hold, and then yes, you utilize the power. 342 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with people. Well, Tony, it's unseemly. 343 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well that's about your emotional state. I didn't say. 344 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: You couldn't say it was unseemly, but it's not illegal. 345 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: It's not immoral, It's not wrong, just isn't Now will 346 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: it work well and guarantee that you'll get more electoral 347 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: victories or or legislative not legislative congressional victories. I don't know. 348 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: Everything's a crap shoot always, but I have no issue 349 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: with redistricting at all. In any way. It came out 350 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: with this new map. This new map is a bit 351 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: of everywhere, and people are gonna be like, oh, this 352 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. I didn't know what they thought they were 353 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: gonna get. But people feigning outrage is, you know, part 354 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: of what social media is for. But there's been a 355 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: lot of back and forth about this, and it really 356 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: got national because of a representative, I should say, a 357 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: state's senator in Indiana by the name of Mike Bohatchick. 358 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: Now I do not know Senator Bahatchick. What I've learned 359 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: about Senator Bohachick is that Senator Bohachick was a Democrat 360 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: before he became a Republican to run for the state Senate. 361 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: What I do know about Bohatchick is that his wife 362 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: works for an organization that went to Congressman Frank Ravan 363 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: Democrat who right now represents the first district of Indiana 364 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: and received one and a half million dollars in federal 365 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: funding for this organization. I don't even question whether or 366 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: it's a good organization or not. But now here's the 367 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 1: state senator not in favor of redistricting, and his district 368 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: would get cut up in this new map, and his 369 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: wife was the beneficiary in a roundabout way or in 370 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: toto of one and a half million dollars. I'm not 371 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: saying she got one and a half million. I'm saying 372 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: the organization that she works at did. That's an issue, 373 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: and that is absolutely worthy conversation. You can discuss that, 374 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: you can question whether or not that plays into this, 375 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: But the real story here is that hatcheck is a 376 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: no and there are definitely some no votes. And you know, 377 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: our job is to persuade these people to be a yes, 378 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: not threatened, not cajole, not attack, persuade through the argument, 379 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: which is what I've been trying to do. It's a 380 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: very hoosier way to do things. And these people, these 381 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: influencers who have been coming from the outside with the 382 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: screaming and the yelling looking so so ridiculous. It doesn't 383 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: work here. It hasn't moved the needle at all. You 384 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: want a great example of this, it's the post is 385 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: no longer available. It's Turning Point USA. Tyler Boyer bow 386 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeer put out a post saying we're going to rally 387 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: to move reditioning over the line, and Indianaans we need 388 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: you now. You might not be from Indiana, but everybody 389 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: who is just yelled at their radio. I'm sorry, Tony, 390 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: did you just say Indianaans? Yeah? He referred to the 391 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: people who live in Indiana as Indiana's. People in Indiana refer 392 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: to themselves as Hoosier's. Now you say to me, yeah, 393 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: but Tony, it's a simple mistake. No, it's not a 394 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: simple mistake. It is an unforced error of magnitudes of 395 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 1: stupidity because no one at Turning Point USA took five 396 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: minutes to make a phone call. Are you telling me 397 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm such a hard guy to find? Are you telling 398 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: me any of my contemporaries are hard people to find? 399 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: Are you telling me you couldn't have done five minutes 400 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: of research to find out what the people of Indiana 401 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: are called to make sure you don't step all over here? 402 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: You know what? Embarrassing, pathetic, ridiculous. And if you're messaging 403 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: to the people here, you got to learn how to 404 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: message to the people here. Oh, they're screwing up left 405 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: and right. These influencers are not interested, in my view, 406 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: in actually getting the redistricting done. They're interested in their fiefdom. 407 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: They're interested in the look at me. They're interested in 408 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: a clique. I find very few influencers to be of 409 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: anything of influence. I do find many of them to 410 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: be total schmucks. But you know, all I could say 411 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: is I can read what they're writing and see for myself, 412 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: so can you. They're damn fools. Unbelievable. I favor redistricting. 413 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: This brings us back to Bohatchick. Bohatchick puts out a 414 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: post that reads, many of you have asked my position 415 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: on redistricting. I have been an unapologetic advocate for people 416 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: with intellectual disabilities since the birth of my second daughter. 417 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: Those of you that don't know me or my family 418 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: might not know that my daughter has down syndrome. This 419 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: is not the first time our president has used these 420 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: insulting and derogatory references, and his choices of words have consequences. 421 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: I will be voting no on redistricting. Perhaps he can 422 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: use the next ten months to convince voters that his 423 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: policies and behavior deserve a congressional majority. What in the 424 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: world's happened? Well? Donald Trump was talking about Governor Tim 425 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: Walls and used the R word to mean that he 426 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: is mentally incapable, mentally disabled. Right now, I have no 427 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: fear of words here, but my stations deal with different 428 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: rules and regulations, and I try my best to respect them. 429 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: But I will play for you what happened on Air 430 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: Force one when President Trump was asked about it, where 431 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: the words are used, and I'm going to play it 432 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: straight so that I'm just I guess I'm letting you know. 433 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: Walls and you called him of what many Americans do 434 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: find an offensive word, retarded. Do you stand by that 435 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: claim of calling some Walls retarded? Yeah? 436 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: I think there's something wrong with him, absolutely not sure. 437 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: You don't mean you have a problem with uh, you 438 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: know what, I think there's something wrong with him. Anybody 439 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: that would do what he did, anybody that would allow 440 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: those people into his state and pay billions of dollars 441 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: to Samal. Yet we give billions of dollars to Samali. 442 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: It's not even a country, because it doesn't function like 443 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: a country. It's got a name, but it doesn't function 444 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: like a country. 445 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something wrong with wolves. I agree that there 446 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: is something wrong with walls, and I can agree that 447 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: you may not like the choice of words. You may 448 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: find it offensive and wrong, which is how I responded 449 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: to Center Bahatchik. If you missed the video, which when 450 00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: a good bit of viral, it was this representative no 451 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: matter how much you feel insulted by the words of 452 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: President Trump, and you're more than entitled to your position 453 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: to therefore vote know on redistricting is simply wrong. Coming 454 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: from an emotional place as opposed to a rational place 455 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: is not what you were voted in to do. It's 456 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: not what Hoosiers actually expect or want. You can have 457 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: a response to President Trump. You can say he's wrong 458 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: for the use of his words. You could talk about 459 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: your own personal family life and how much you despise 460 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: that kind of word and that kind of language. You're 461 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: more than welcome to do so. But making a decision 462 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: on redistricting has to do with certainly power, certainly where 463 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: the Republican Party has the power in the state of Indiana, 464 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: and taking a look at the board, what it is 465 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: that Hoosiers, never mind Americans, are looking at without redistricting. 466 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: There is a value here. It is important, and we 467 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: need to engage it rationally. There's an opportunity we should 468 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: take it to take a look at the whole board, 469 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: to take a look at the retribution of California and 470 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: Maryland and other states and say we and Indiana will 471 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: not have this. Hoosiers will not tolerate this. That you 472 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: are insulted, should not and cannot play a part in 473 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: how you go about voting. You, sir, are wrong. You're 474 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: playing a game of emotion, and that's what Democrats do. 475 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: That isn't why you were voted in. This is a mistake. 476 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: You're making a mistake. I'm not saying you have to 477 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: do it because you like President Trump or like what 478 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: he had to say. I am saying that redistricting is 479 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: a value to Hoosiers and to America, and you should 480 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: be a vote in favor of it. To say you're 481 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: not voting for it for something else, President Trump said, 482 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: that's wrong, that's emotional, that's not what we voted for, 483 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: and that in and of itself should deserve a primary challenge. 484 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: That you should not be surprised comes your way. You 485 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: vote not with your emotion, you vote rationally, So take 486 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: the time rethink it. I hope you come to the 487 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: decision to vote for redistricting. I hope he does too. 488 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to. I can't force him to. But 489 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: the idea that you're going to vote based on something 490 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: President Trump said about something else is indeed emotional, and 491 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we're clear that that 492 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: is the part that's disqualifying. If he simply wanted to 493 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: say I'm not in favor of this, I'm not in 494 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: favor of this map, he could have voted no, he 495 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: might not lose his seat. But when you say I'm 496 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: going to vote emotionally, and that's going to teach Donald 497 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: Trump a lesson, that's garbage. People want to discuss the 498 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: idea we shouldn't redistrict because we should respect the citizens 499 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: and the people, and they're speaking out for Senator ba Hatcheck. 500 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: It's not about the citizens, it's not about his constituents. 501 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: It isn't it's about his feelings. Now, I said, and 502 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: I'll say again, if Centa Bahatchick wants to discuss this, 503 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: I will discuss this if he wants to get personal, 504 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: I will get personal. I guarantee I can match him 505 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: personal for personal. You cannot get me to move emotionally 506 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: on this subject. And I have my reasons, and one 507 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: day I may very well share them. Some things I 508 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: don't share, guys, because I believe somehow in sharing it, 509 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm actually denigrading the actual argument. And I believe that 510 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: the argument should in and of itself have value. Meaning 511 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: just because something is personal to me doesn't make that 512 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: thing correct, doesn't make my argument or my point of 513 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: view correct. It has to be correct without the emotional 514 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: part of it. That's how I work. I hope INDIANAI districts. 515 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: I hope they utilize the power that was given to 516 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: them by the people when Republicans won here it have 517 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: a supermajority. But people who aren't going to vote for 518 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: something because Trump said something they don't like and they 519 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: want to act on emotion. I can't support that, and 520 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you should either. I'm Tony Katz, and 521 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: this as Tony Katz today. How fraid is this unity 522 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: on the Republican side And what's causing it? 523 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 3: Well, what's causing it is they're scared to death of 524 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: the midterm elections. So you cannot run in a midterm 525 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: election by saying vote for us because we've done a 526 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 3: great job, particularly win people don't feel the consequences of 527 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 3: the policies that you've enacted. If the President's Big Beautiful 528 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: Bill was as instantaneously positive as he thinks, his numbers 529 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't be on approval numbers on the economy wouldn't be 530 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 3: in the thirties, and his overall approval wouldn't be in 531 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: the low forties. So Republicans are concerned and they need 532 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 3: to have an agenda going into the twenty twenty six midterms. 533 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: And what they're hoping for is that the tax cuts 534 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: of the one Big Beautiful Bill will start seeing immediate 535 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: dividends from people January February March. They'll say, oh, wait, 536 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: this is excellent. Look what Republicans have done for us, 537 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: and that will carry into better economic fortunes. And that 538 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: will be the headwinds, I should say, the tailwinds that 539 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: pushed them along. And well, I don't know do they 540 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: have wherever the winds come from and pushes them to 541 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: victory in the midterms. That's Carl Rove being asked the question, 542 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: and we're still asking questions of Carl Rove, Tony Katz, 543 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Tony Kats today, good to be with you. Oh, if 544 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: the midterms were held today, Republicans would lose everything. There's 545 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: a really interesting story about the amount of people weren't 546 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: running anymore because it's not fun. You know, it's all 547 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: too much pressure, It all gets a little too crazy. 548 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: I can understand why people wouldn't want it. Yes, you 549 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: need something positive to run on. Republicans do have many 550 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: things positive to run on. The economy is not there yet. 551 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: They are banking on the one big beautiful bill going 552 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: into implementation January first, to be a big part of that. 553 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: That's clear. Let's see if they're right. Find everything I 554 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: do over at Tony Katz dot com and I'll catch 555 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Everyone, be good, take care of