WEBVTT - A Time to Kill (30th Anniversary) 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:03.240 The Frames per Second Podcast. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.400 Welcome to the Frames per Second Podcast. But we are 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:17.759 doing an anniversary episode of the film nineteen ninety six 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.920 film starring Matthew McConaughey Samuel Jackson, titled It's a Time 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.840 to Kill. I'll go around the room and see what 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.520 everyone thought about this movie before we dump jumped into it. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.600 I'll start with me. It's been a long time since 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:37.080 I watched this movie. I remember liking it, but I 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.040 didn't remember it being this good. I really really liked 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.800 this movie in a sense, I just forgot on some 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.640 of the notes that they played. I'm always here for 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.720 a courtroom drama. I thought some of the performances were 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:54.440 fantastic with Matthew McConaughey Samuel Jackson, Like who knew Sandra 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:55.440 Bullock used to look good? 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.360 I forgot all about that. I forgot she used to 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.040 look good man. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.440 I was a good one. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.000 Yeah, she did an age like milk You think. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.560 Me, I haven't. I don't know. I'm looking down I 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.319 mean though, but I loved it. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.320 I'm glad we reviewed. This has probably been one of 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.319 my favorite anniversary films to review. I'll toss it over 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.120 to Mike. You said you haven't seen this. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:19.800 I have. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.640 I had not seen this all the way through. I've 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.880 seen like little small bits and pieces. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:25.319 Really, yeah, I. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.360 Don't fuck with Sam Jackson like that, bro, especially trying 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.000 to see him in a dramatical role. I'm not watching 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.040 this ship. But no, I was good. It was a 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.080 bit long for me. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:36.360 It was two hours. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.640 Yeah, I was like, what, I didn't remember that. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.679 I was mad when I sat down and put this on, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.000 I was like, wait a minute, this is there another movie. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:45.880 It is almost three hours long. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.720 But no, I was good, man, it was really really 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:50.480 well done. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.240 I forgot about it. Yeah, it was good, Ken, what 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:53.680 you think? 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.200 Yeah, one of my favorite movies of all time, bro, Yeah. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.400 This told my top twenty list. I didn't realize it 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.400 before start, but yeah, definitely one of my favorite ones 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.880 of all time. Love it, Rod, this worked for you? Yeah, yeah, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.680 this This is definitely one of the ones. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:09.000 Man. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:14.320 It's obviously triggering to see, you know, the one scene, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:21.960 so yeah, I always hated that scene, but I do 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.040 like to think that follow after, like you know what 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.760 I'm saying. So so now, yeah, this is a this 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:28.720 is a good one, man. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:29.840 It was. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.080 It was directed by Joe Schumacher based off of John 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:34.520 Grisham novel. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.200 You're a Hater, Spike. She looks great for her age. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:39.960 She looks damned the same as she looked in the 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.519 movie Don't. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.720 If You won't. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:49.240 She looks great. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.400 She looked good in the movie. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.600 I think she looks great. You see some of these, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.280 especially white folks that have aged. She looks really good 0:02:59.320 --> 0:02:59.800 for her age. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.840 I put it like this. She not ugly. Now, you're right, 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.639 But I didn't remember her being hot. She was hot 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.600 in this movie. I never thought of her as hot. Yes, 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.960 I hadn't either til I seen in this movie. I 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.280 think they did a good job of making her appear 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.480 that way. That's what I will say. All right, So 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.880 let's get into it. The films open were in Mississippi, 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.280 a little Tanya shopping at the grocery store. We get 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.040 these two red knicks causing the ruckers on the road, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.720 terrorizing the grocery store. She leaves out. We have the 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.400 whole assault that happens. I'll go around in the room. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:33.959 Did y'all like that? 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.480 They got right into it. Did y'all think it was 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.160 gonna be more build up, more set up? Before this? 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:39.800 Nah? 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.160 I didn't remember it getting right into it. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.480 Yeah yeah. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.440 I feel like movies was kind of like that back 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.560 in the day, though, Like they kind of get right 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.040 into it. They don't really waste no time. As soon 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.600 as you see that pickup truck, you already know what 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:54.080 time it is. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:54.880 That's some red necks. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.720 She was like, Oh, some shit about to go down. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.080 I just where were they were in Missisi? And they 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:08.560 haven't call another movie called Missipi Burnings. I used to 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.400 get those confused. A time to kill the Mississipi burning 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:12.560 I used to get those confused. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.160 This story is kind of like to kill a mocking 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.120 bird in a little bit in the courtroom side, on 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:18.080 the courtroom side. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.360 Yeah but na. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.440 Yeah man, yeah yeah. They get right into it and 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.479 it makes you had them immediately or whatever. I'm just 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.239 trying to think and what time period was This supposed 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.920 to be nineties, so it was supposed to be in 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.400 the nineties, So I'm just like, what would we Is 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.840 that realistic that that to read get away with this? 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:41.320 Yes? 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.600 Yeah, yeah, Remember there were stories in the nineties picking 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.359 up motherfuckers, dragging them behind the truck and stuff like 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.960 that came from real news headline. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.839 I'm glad you know this, but you still hop your Yeah, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.240 that's the part I was trying to read. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.240 This is why I be worried about y'all, because it 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.440 like this, really he does and did happen? 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.200 Said, Yeah, I don't, I don't. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.320 It was actually nineteen eighty four movie took a little 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.440 bit more more. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.600 I just looked it up and just seemed like I 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.360 just don't remember liked happened in the nine that absolutely 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.600 happened in the ninety Yes, but yeah, yes, like a 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.080 black community with two white boys. Yeah, because the type 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.520 of black community that they were in, there was zero 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.400 power for them in that community. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.599 If you're living in a in an area like that. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:29.960 I guess I don't know. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.000 Anyway, the rock wasn't enough to help them. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.600 Nah, but nah, like yeah, just hearing her, like, oh, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.720 you know, I dropped, sorry, I dropped the gross daddy 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.960 Jesus Christ and her just calling out to her daddy 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.200 the whole time. Me being a father now here and 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.240 that ship. But yeah, it hit a little different. It 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.360 hit a little different having a daughter myself, and so yeah, 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:51.160 I was just like. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.040 Jesus, I didn't know that that's what this was. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:55.039 Mm hm. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.320 So I was like, all right, I'm a little annoyed 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.640 that I gotta watch two and a half hours of 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:00.400 some sup like this. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.120 Yeah, but he picked up for you. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:12.599 Yeah yeah when he shot him, Yeah, okay, cool cool 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.200 and and the copper clatteral damage. 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.600 Hey, thumbs up, I'm liking this. Oh well, so well, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.080 wasn't standing on business. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.480 And I give a I give a little. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:27.719 The cock. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:29.960 I guess he knew he was a cock when he 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:31.880 went to go arrest him, because he popped that dude 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:36.880 upside the head with that bottom. Oh rock, Yeah, like, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.800 get your ass on. Because he would call him a 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.159 nigger and everything, called him a nigga. Yeah, you doing 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.440 this aloud? 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:44.920 Like your boy? 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.880 That's your boy can from twenty four? 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:48.400 Who that is? 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:49.520 That was late? 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.920 That was the brother yeah keeper yep. So they get 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.200 they have the whole scene where they meet at the house. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.159 They figured out what happens to Tanya from there. You see, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.920 the charge just doesn't is the sheriff of the town. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.279 He goes to arrest Carl Lee. Carl Lee says, niggers 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:06.200 not allowed in here. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.679 I thought Carl Lee was Sam Jackson. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.800 No, oh, you're right, yeah right, Remember the other dude Billy, 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:14.840 Billy Billy. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.200 Something like that. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.840 Yeah, so he goes to arrest Billy Ray. Did y'all 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.680 think at this point, Mike, I know you said your 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.600 first Did you think it was gonna be one of 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.560 those movies where the white people were gonna have an 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.160 advantage and like they talking to this cop any type 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.120 of way in their little bar? 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:30.520 Oh? 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.640 Yeah, where'd you think it goes from here? You thought 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:33.520 you're gonna be frustrated. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.720 I thought they were gonna kill Rock too, But he 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.240 had the back end of the other white cops. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:37.440 Though. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.440 I don't trust white cops period, especially in nineteen eighty 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.240 four in southern wherever the fuck they're at Clanton, Mississippi, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.160 mississ in Mississippi. Come on, bro, I don't even know 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:49.720 what that is. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:51.680 No, I haven't been to Clinton. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.880 This is about they said it was about old Miss somewhere. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.240 And how you spelling this c O A N T 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.280 O N. That is insane that this place is called Clanton. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:04.320 That's wild And. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:04.920 That's a real. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.720 He said about in the movie that was saying she 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:10.600 was close to old Miss. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.320 That's the player. I've never been there, you knew, he said, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:15.880 he didn't, that's what. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.560 Oh, sorry, all right, So they get locked up. They 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.960 go to jail, call Lee go down there and tell 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.920 Matthew McConaughey's character, look, they might get off. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:29.920 I need you to know. I need to know that 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:30.520 you've got me. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:32.120 That's crazy. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.199 And he go down there, he confides in him and 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.160 tell him I might be thinking of doing something. Should 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:42.880 Matthew McConaughey's character have called the police or notified someone legally? 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.520 Yes, morally no, as a lawyer his job legally, yeah, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.360 he should have probably got disbarred, but they don't know 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.840 that he knew. Yeah, he didn't tell anybody, but yeah, 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.560 he probably being a lawyer, he probably should have taken 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.319 that ship. Seriously, this man just had his daughter raped 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.600 and attempted murdered, and he comes in here and says 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.400 he's gonna he's thinking about doing something crazy and you 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:05.320 just don't say anything. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.520 And he did start telling everybody, seem like, but he 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:14.160 told his wife, he told somebody else, folks, he told 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:14.480 his home. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.079 Yeah, but uh but yeah. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.120 But Clinton is not real, but Canton, Mississippi is real. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.880 So John Grisham probably did a player on words just 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.079 for that. But Canton, Mississippi is a real place, but 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.800 Clinton is not as fictional, got it. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.719 So he tells him that he goes hide out in 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.480 the courtroom, they get escorted in, and he came out 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.959 blasting shot both of the ass and the police. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:41.080 She was tight. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.000 How satisfying was this scene for like looking at Cary 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.000 and understanding as a father, Rod like, could you see 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:50.520 could you understand what he did? 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.920 Absolutely absolutely understand what he did at that point, It's like, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.480 all all that shit is out the window, man, to 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.480 see your baby girl raped and. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.560 I can't have kids? 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.360 And oh I forgot about that part. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.800 Yeah because he oh yeah, because what he said at 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.079 the end the end was crazy with how he. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:11.720 What he said that. 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:17.199 Closely but now yeah, I got it, Like this was 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:18.160 the title of the movie. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.120 That's definitely was. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.920 Time to Kill Like so yeah, so that I definitely 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.199 thought that was I thought that was like kind of 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.240 like when Mike said, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, cool, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:30.280 that works for me, you. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:30.760 Know what I'm saying. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.439 I'm in satisfied. Was absolutely loved it. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.480 I remember the first time I watched it growing up, 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:40.319 you know, in this sort of environment, hearing stories growing up, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:47.600 seeing some crazy ship yourself. You know, Yeah, this this 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.800 was This was great for me to see this, and 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.720 even as an adult, it's kind of one of the 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.320 things that I wish there were more revenge killings, you 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.000 know that took place and it sounds fucked up, but 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.760 like the ten year old girl raped and killed, and 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.760 there's a I mean, I'm sorry, thanks, assaulted and raped. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.920 There's a there's a book called Southern. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:18.200 Horror Slave Stories or something like that that it's very 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:23.880 difficult to read, but they go through historical instances. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.040 Of white people. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:32.880 Doing this sort of behavior to black people and vice versa, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.079 and they talk about how if justice isn't met it 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.760 they'll go into the jails, drag him out and kill them, 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.360 and white people getting off or doing the same exact thing. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:50.000 It's a very difficult book to read, but you know. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:50.080 And. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 That I didn't read that before this, but you know, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.880 I started reading it a couple of years ago and 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:03.640 watching this now having read some stories that they're telling 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.200 in this book that's similar, you know, it's just like 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:08.880 to do that stuff. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:13.319 It's a YouTube series similar to that called Slave Narratives. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:14.200 I think that's. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.559 Really but this is a slaves telling the experiences of 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:18.800 being slaves. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.160 This ship is fucking crazy. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.160 And then what he said to before. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.760 He he hit her with the can, what he said 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.920 to his homeboy before he hit her with the crawl. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.880 Yeah, they stay in the position. God disgusting. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.280 If she wasn't a kid, do y'all think y'all would 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.000 have looked at what car he did differently? 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.679 Nope, still with him, you know? 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:44.320 Not? 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.400 Hell, No, absolutely not. They deserve to die. I hope 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.040 they burn in hell. And I hope they burn in hell. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.600 He asked a question, and. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.840 It's actually Southern Horrors and the Red Records by Ada B. Wells. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.880 Ye, all right, let's talk about Jake Bergants. He is 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.679 the lawyer that plays Matthe mccon Matthew McConaughey plays him 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:06.280 as a lawyer. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.080 Uh, it said. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.280 It just kind of established Matthew McConaughey as a leading 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:16.000 man this film. This established him as a leading role 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:16.640 in the film. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.560 Yeah, because I was trying to remember when what, like, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.720 what other what role did he have before this? That 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.000 it was this was his breakout They say this was 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:27.720 his breakout role. He said this movie made him one. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.959 What y'all think about his sports? 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:31.959 I mean it was good, It's basic. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:33.680 I thought it was good. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.760 I think definitely at the end, I think he you know, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.400 delivered the good performers at the end. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.840 Uh. But yeah, I think overall it was it was 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.800 pretty good. I see why. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.880 People would connect to him as an actor after watching this. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.520 Was he being was brigand's being kind of naive and 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:49.200 taking this case? 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:52.840 That's a good question. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:59.480 M Yeah, I don't. I don't think he was being naive. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.480 I think he later explained that. I think it was guilt. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.320 He's from the town, he knows how things get down there, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.400 and he also knows that this guy ain't got any 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.439 money to even afford him, so why even take the case? 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.240 So it was definitely guilt and why he took it. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.880 And then I don't and I don't think his continuents 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:28.160 of it was driven by you know, naivete. I think 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.760 at that point defiance you. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:33.320 Know as well. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.680 I think just because he's a defense attorney. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.360 I mean, if you're gonna take defense on it, why 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.800 not take a defense on something like this where you 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.280 can see. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.360 The reason and why. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:48.560 It's down there. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.520 I understand it's an unwinnable case and he knew that, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:54.440 but like. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:57.360 Then his. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.000 The guy performed Lucy and would take cases that was 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:03.760 like that too, and he was yeah, but he was. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.520 Good, got good. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.560 Yeah, yeah he was still he was. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.000 Under his lineage, but yeah, not lineage, but he was 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:11.600 under his too. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.160 Yeah, his mentor, Lucian did take cases. He was an 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.880 activist like lawyer or whatever you want to call him. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.080 But and that's what got him. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.440 So right. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.320 So I don't know, I just feel like I do 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.400 agree to stuff that you said, but I also think 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.440 naturally as a defense lawyer, you're gonna take tough cases. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.760 I think even Lucian was like, bro, like what are 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:36.040 you doing? 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.040 Yeah, why would you do this? 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:37.560 Yeah? 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.600 You know, and then he realized because yeah, Lucian was 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.600 question it was like yeah, he was talking it through 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.160 when he was drinking, was like yeah, I don't know 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:47.920 about this one, broud. But then it was like shit. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.800 Then on the other hand, you actually could win, he said. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.040 But if you lose, he said, he said, I think 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.600 he said both ways, justice will prevail. That was his thing, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.240 So it no matter what if you get him off, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.040 justice prevails. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.800 If he lose, just prevailed. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.360 Right, Yeah, all right. From now we get the brothers 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.720 who can't believe this happened. To two white men in 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.800 Mississippi and they out for blood and they want the 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:13.720 Klan back in town. Did that whole the brother storyline 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:15.440 the Klan? Did that work for y'all? 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:17.080 Yeah? 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.040 I mean them dudes. I mean it shows the horror 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.760 of the clan. But I think more importantly it shows 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.640 that where the Klan resides then and in present day 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.840 on the police force and in these offices. They and 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.120 even the guy that they were talking to, was that 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.600 Stumps or whatever his name was. He basically said, we're 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.320 still around. We just transformed. Yeah, and we're in a 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.360 we're we're in a different form. But if you want 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.920 to go back to the old school ship, we can 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.960 do that. Got to go find a couple of folks 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.440 and we can make it happen. And that's what it did. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.680 But yeah, I think very deliberate and showing the cop 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.200 so people can actually see that that sort of ship 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.600 happens and and exist. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.080 We saw a face that we ain't seen in a 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.480 while because he's on hard times after the shit happened 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.280 to him. Kevin Space, God, how good he was man, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.199 just as an actor in general, I think this kind 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.040 of is the root of his role and he acted 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.080 like it's in the House of Cards. This may have 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.520 been with that side of him originated as far as 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.920 a role like that. But did y'all think Kevin Spacey 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.320 did a good job and did the movie do a 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.159 good job of portraying I'm not sure if he was 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.479 racist or if the judge was racist, but they did 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.520 a good job of like walking the line the way 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:32.440 you had to think about it. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:37.800 I think he was racist, Yeah, in the movie Kevin Spacey, Yeah, 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:39.439 he's had a few things that made me think he 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:40.880 was racist. I trying to remember what they were now, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.840 but he definitely said a couple of things that were Yeah, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.720 because when when they were trying to move the courthouse 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.960 to or try to move the trial to another place, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.919 he said something about the all white jury like he 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:56.919 was stoked about it. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:58.040 Yeah, he just. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.040 Called them black people. He didn't call them niggas well. 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.280 He was in a professional setting, he couldn't call them niggers. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.199 I guess. I mean, I don't know. 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.440 I didn't take them as racist. 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.600 I just took him as a lawyer that that that 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.480 took an opportunity to try to win the case. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:14.720 Mm hmm. 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.040 To mendle tomorrow, motherfucker was racist to me. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.960 Yeah, I feel like he would take a case on 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.639 a black person if you feel like he could win. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.240 Yeah, I feel like he was just racist. I thought 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:26.040 he was in to the win. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:26.560 The judge. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:27.920 I have more questions about. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.040 The judge I thought was I thought it wasn't towards 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.560 the end when he started letting. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.480 That's what made me in the beginning is like this 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.040 racist motherfucker, But then closer to the end, it was like, well, 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:43.520 he's just an asshole for Mississippi, So that that was interesting. Also, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.040 we meet Ellen Rourke. She got a rich daddy, She 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.760 going to law school to old miss and she wanted 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:51.600 help with the case. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:53.280 Did y'all like Sandra Bullock? 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.440 The second she showed up, I was like, he gonna 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:01.080 cheap brom, he gone cheat the second she shut up. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.040 But I did like her. She was really good enough. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.920 He did a good job in this. Yeah you think 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:07.640 she did a good job. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.280 I didn't know if she was necessary watching it best? 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.200 Damn, what do you mean? 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.639 Because what was she like a paralegal or something, or like, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.399 what what was her role law? She was in law school, 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.960 So I'm just like, what was was she necessary? Could 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.639 have got anybody to do this right, Like was she necessary? 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.520 I think they had to add that for the tension 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.480 of what Mike said, him cheating on. 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.240 Understand that you don't think I don't think the movie 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:33.639 needed that. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.600 Why Why did the movie need I think the movie 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:40.439 needed someone because he It showed that he wasn't Uh, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.399 he wasn't capable of winning on his own if he 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:43.880 but he. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.600 Had he had his mentor that he could have got 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:47.000 inform me. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.679 Remember she she was able to go and get the 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.560 details that he needed, Like she went and stuck in 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.080 the office and got him that ship. 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:56.680 Couldn't the other guy do that? 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.640 The drunk guy, he was always drunk. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.639 Some of his mentor, No, not his mentor with the 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:03.080 other guy. 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.240 That guy wasn't really helping his friend. They could have 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.600 used him to do that, Like why do we have 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:13.240 to break Bulleck in Huh, Oliver Platt, Uh, Harry Rix. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.479 They could have easily used him to do what they 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.600 had Sandra Bullock doing. But I think they wanted Sandra 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.679 Bullock there. It's not only that what she was doing 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.640 in the courtroom, but to show how this was affecting 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.880 his life outside of work. Your wife gone you having 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.560 these temptations of maybe wanting to sleep with this woman, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:35.600 like it made his character less noble because even when 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.960 they had the conversation with the over lunch and she 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.520 was like, I thought you were a liberal, a liberal, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.600 he was like, I am, I just took a liberal 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.120 that you are. So it kind of brought him down 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.440 a notch versus where being the great White Knight. 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:51.160 I think that's why they put her there. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:52.399 Okay, I agree. 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.320 I think I think the the the conversation that they 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.920 had at the at the diner was very uh pivot 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.639 as far as why she was in the movie. She 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.439 thought he was a certain type of way because he 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.280 took this case, which I did too. But then when 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.439 you realize like, no, that's not what it is, then 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.560 you start wondering, Okay, what what are his motivations? Then 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.280 I'm still not sure what his original motivations were. It 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.160 sounded to me like he just wanted to prove himself. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.560 He just wanted to fame, right, That's what I mean, Right, he. 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.840 Wanted to prove himself and get like the famous law. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.760 I don't think he gave a fuck about Carl Lee. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:28.520 He didn't. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.840 But I think the fame that came with it was 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.960 a byproduct of it, and if he won that case, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:37.720 he would be a made man, right, But it's also 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.679 a case that you can lose everything, which he was 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.879 losing everything because the calls were drying up and stuff 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:48.600 like that. So I did like that conversation that they 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.120 had at the table, because it's like he comes across 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.679 as an ally, but only to a certain point, you know, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.720 and sometimes that stuff for fool folks, and which you know, 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.639 we get a whole conversation about it later. But I 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.639 think that was really really dope. As far as the 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.280 other two, I don't know if Kevin Spacey's character was 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:11.520 necessarily racist. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.680 I'm in this city in Mississippi. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.600 I'm inclined to believe the judge absolutely, and he was 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:18.960 buddy buddies with the other guy. 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:20.200 Kevin Spacey. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.240 I don't know if his character was racist, but he's 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.760 selfish and he will uphold racist ideas in order to 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:32.359 win a case and make himself look better. But he 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.720 damn sure don't give it about fuck about black folks, 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:35.800 So maybe he is racist. 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:36.199 I don't know. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.359 H And in cases like this in a city like that, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:42.240 urge on the side. 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:47.040 Of caution the facts, that's one numbers true. They sneak 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.679 car Lee out to see the cop. He want to 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:50.520 tell him he's sorry. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:53.400 That was dumb. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.080 It was when it worked out, but it was stupid. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.080 He was like, well, he ain't say shit to him. 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.200 He was like, but then you get up and he 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.520 was like, yeah, man, you know I wasn't crazy when 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.159 I did. I knew what I was doing, but I 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.560 ain't mean to you mean to shoot too? Like he 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.400 was like, my bad, But yeah, I wasn't insane. 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:12.760 I was completely I was like, bro, you. 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:14.640 Exactly. 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:16.919 But did you like how he told him during the 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.280 trial when he told him, asking me, you think I 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:20.040 should go to jail? 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:21.600 I think I was smart. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:27.680 It worked, so yeah, I don't know if that was 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.119 like part of the plan. I don't know if he 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.400 intended to allow that to happen, because you know, they 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.879 were friends. I think he and that guy were actual, 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:37.760 real friends. I think he said he used to play 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:43.480 together versus you know, the attorney. But I think because 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.720 he knew that guy had a daughter that he would 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.840 immediately connect to him, and because they were friends, I 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.920 think that helped because to a certain degree, he didn't 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.040 necessarily see colors. If they played together as kids, he 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.880 as we saw him as just the person who the colony, 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.200 the guy that got his knee shot off. 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.800 Oh it said here hero, let him go, you let 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:14.520 him free. He's a hero. Did you have something for that? 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.960 I don't know if I had anything before the I 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:19.760 feel like I did, but to ain't it's I don't 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.720 think it's important. But nah, yeah, I liked him here, 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:27.200 like like, yeah, I liked I like what he added 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.479 to this part. It's like that that he got it, 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:33.720 he got why he you know, he tried to de finished. 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.080 You know, his daughter, he's like shit, if I had one, 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:37.400 you know, I did the same. 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.080 You would love to have more content from frames per second. 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.680 Become a patron where you can contribute to what we 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.920 review and discuss. Our Patreon gives the listeners the power 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.040 to nominate and vote a monthly discussion and film review, 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.440 while also nominating and voting on weekly solo reviews from 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.400 each cast member. 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Do y'all think that Matthew Baccatae was 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:32.880 a good lawyer? 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:35.159 I think so. 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.280 I think all the courtroom scenes really work. They were 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:39.080 They were tense. 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.200 You know when the rioting outside that was fire on yeah, 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.600 free call, Yeah, yeah. 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.320 That was That was a bit unbelievable. 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.679 It was like, okay, you're having a trial where a 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.159 negro killed a two black or two white men. During 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:01.880 the trial, a KKK dude comes up and some other 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.439 Negro on the roof threw a fucking molotop at him 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:10.120 and killed him, and y'all just moved. 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:09.280 Just kept going. 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.199 I was like, wait a minute, please, right, this. 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.679 Is there a part two before y'all talk about what 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:15.680 that motherfucker did. 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.720 Oh that's funny courtroom saying anything from court room right? 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:21.000 No. 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.440 I just thought about it I did think about another 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.959 scene when they to their strong Sandra Bullock up and 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:28.760 then the one guy took her down. 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:30.280 Did they did they tap into that at all? 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:31.440 Like why why he was. 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:33.920 He was feeling guilty about being he remember he's the 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.600 one that called the cops before. 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:36.280 He was. 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.720 Yeah, okay, Yeah, he was kind of acting hesitant when 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:42.320 he was hanging up, hanging her up too. 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:47.440 So these races by pure pressure. 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.040 Or he was trying he was trying to leave. Maybe 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.600 he had changed his mind. You know that happens. You know, 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.640 people joined the Klan, they do a lot of fucked 0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.000 up ship and then they're like, well, I don't know 0:26:59.000 --> 0:26:59.600 why I did this. 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.600 I want to get out, but the clans, like the 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:02.200 fucking crips. 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:09.400 You can't just leave blood and blood out, That's right. Yeah, 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.560 Like I forget that dude's name, but there was that 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.480 black dude that was famous for going and talking to 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:15.960 CLAM members and getting them to quit. 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.560 Yeah, but yeah, I mean I. 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.560 Think his his his role actually made a lot of 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.560 sense and it helped the movie. 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:26.199 I think it was. 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:26.920 It was good. 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.879 Can't even talks about the court room. 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.560 Yeah, yeah, I'm I do kind of go back with 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.439 Mike I was watching it and then he was on 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.639 top of roof. He actually shot a National guard and 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.480 nothing happened because the. 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.679 Judge are like what the hell and like, yeah, bro, it's. 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:48.919 Like, uh, but he shot a national guard. 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:53.159 Yeah, because remember after the first big fight between the 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.640 two parties, they brought the National Guardian or some type 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.160 of military end to help out and. 0:27:59.240 --> 0:27:59.920 Keep her southerly. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:01.560 And then Keith for Selin was on the roof. 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.720 Yeah, yeah, that was keeper southernly. I thought you were 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.399 saying the black dude killed the. 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.119 Guy up, you know, because they weren't putting up with 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:14.359 that mess. But now I think the court scenes were good. 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:20.359 I think you know, the way they took out the 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:27.760 prosecutors psychiatrists, it was dope. And then the way they 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:33.040 took out the other guy that the defense had took 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.240 him off the board too. 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:35.320 That was slimey. 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.000 Yeah, it was, especially when you come to find out 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.160 that it was his wife and she was seventeen years 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.560 that was yeah. 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.840 Yeah, it was, but you know it worked, I could explain. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.360 Yeah, but he got the line of shit, you knew 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:49.760 that ship, but it got a sponge, so. 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.240 He didn't think nobody knew that yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.400 But these attorneys are good. And then you have which 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.320 I think is a good like display of like how 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.000 juries can come together, because he was like, that's the 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:01.880 jury of my peers. 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.680 All right, yeah, it's a rap. 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:08.600 But then they are defying judges orders, which the judge knew, 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.960 and this one guy who's racist like. 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:12.800 All right, well what we're gonna do. We're really gonna 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:13.600 let this do walk. 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.640 It's just interesting, like even when they were having some 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:22.240 of the court discussions, you know, he was like, we're 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:27.920 not trying the rape, We're trying the murder of two 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:28.600 white people. 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.000 And that was the thing that they kept going back to. 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:37.880 What happened to her was completely just ignored and looked over, 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:42.000 and they were really focused on what happened to the 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.120 white people, the two white guys that did this horrific 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.800 thing to this black woman, but that didn't even matter. 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.960 All white people saw was a black peoper that killed 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.720 two white people in cold blood and that's it. 0:29:55.160 --> 0:30:01.320 Yeah, did y'all blame his wife relocating? 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.200 She needed to go, she had too because of the danger. 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:05.920 Yeah, they were burning across in front of you are 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.760 I'm surprised she took her that long ago. You know, 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.560 I've seen one of the motherfuckers before. She is crazy, 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:16.080 you know, burning across. So yeah, and these guys this 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:20.000 was a very violent version of the Klan, and you know, 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.880 this was some of the things that they did. And 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.880 once you cross over, then, as they showed in the movie, 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:34.200 you're a nigger lover, so you're no longer one of us, 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.240 so not Yeah, all that shit don't matter. 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.240 So yeah, you're not a white person to me. Yeah. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.400 So they had to get out because they would have 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.960 killed them. They already beat up, but they killed. 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.240 But they moved along with that a little too quick 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.680 for me too. For two and a half hour long move. 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.920 They killed that woman's husband. She did, oh she didn't. 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:56.800 She would changing a loution. 0:30:58.160 --> 0:30:59.600 She went to Lucier real quick. 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:02.160 He said, you don't need no help. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:03.880 But she wasn't cheating with Lucia. 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:04.560 She did. 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.960 The course together before indication. 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.360 She was cheated with you because she was because remember 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:13.720 Matthew McConaughey and the other dude was sucking with her, 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.280 and she was like that, I am a married woman, 0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:20.560 been married for upstanding southern woman of all my such 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:20.960 and such. 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.520 We don't know she was fucking on Lucian. 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.440 We got when she asked him to walk into I 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:28.200 take you to the car. 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.720 I thought that was just a slight Matthew McConaughey, you 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:35.040 don't need no help, Lucia. 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.240 He definitely, yeah he did. 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:38.320 That's why he sold it up. 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.120 She was back, and but she's back on the market ship. 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:46.320 That's all it took was the clan. 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:51.200 They still just moved along with that, unless she was 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.720 responsible for getting him killed, unless. 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.520 That had nothing just because she worked there. 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:58.800 That was was the one that did that Forrett. And 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.000 she tried to tell I'm like, hey man, you're gonna 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.520 get all of us killed. Like she said, Bud can't 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:08.760 take another art, he can't take another stroke. That was 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:10.840 the world like artist. 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.320 I did not expect them to kill him. 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.440 I do, I do one but but but Bud probably 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.240 could have. Little Bud just didn't want to come back. 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.600 I heard you was fucking loose. Go ahead, take me 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.800 to Heaven. Take me, go ahead and take me to 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.040 heave machines. 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:24.880 I'm doing. 0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:26.640 Okay. 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.560 So we had that, they had the family. Max came back. 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.440 Everybody's trying to convince Matthew E. Connore, man get this ship. 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.960 Up the na A c P can take you. Actually, 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:36.800 what y'all think about the na A CP in The Preacher? 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:37.840 That was crazy. 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.400 That scene was crazy and it seemed very realistic. It 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.640 seemed like and I like how Sam Jackson played him. 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.600 He's like, I can give me all that money and 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.200 if you don't, I'm gonna tell everybody. 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:51.200 You are fraud. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.000 This ain't all of them, but just someone that should 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.800 I be talking about too. Yeah, you know that's yeah. 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.480 But then it did feel like al sharp, like, yeah, the. 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.800 Black do Every Preacher was on the front lines every 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.360 time out to the free call. 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:05.560 You know what good thing is? 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.960 He never left though, and maybe because he was like, man, 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.000 if I if I'm not on the if I'm not 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:16.160 out here, but you know, he still was there. But 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.560 you know, you think about like, I mean, it's it's 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:23.120 unfortunate to see that, and you hope that in most. 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:24.560 Instances that doesn't happen. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:31.200 Like these guys don't have money to afford lawyers. So 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.080 and his wife was starving and they're going to the 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:38.400 church they opened. They give them a seat and they're 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:43.040 not even thinking about right, which is part of what 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.320 they're there to do and help it wasn't until the 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.160 NAACP came by and was like, hey man, you know 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.400 we're taking a good donation two thousand dollars and you're 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:57.680 not giving any of that to the wife administration fees, right, 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.600 and the way he started saying that, I was like, 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.360 you know, it's like you know, and then you know 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:05.800 you have the white lawyer. 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.560 Rhiner was there and his crew. 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:08.399 Yeah. 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.680 Yeah, So I think they showed like very you know, 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:17.120 instances of how that stuff happens and how these you know, 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.520 sort of enterities can get corrupted by money. Talking about 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.160 seven thousand dollars. I mean the timing was perfect because 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.919 he was out of money. The wife and kids didn't 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.400 have any money. She was He was like, oh, I 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:29.880 can help you. Don't worry about I got you, like, 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:30.480 you're gonna help me. 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.200 You in Chail, I'm gonna figure something, baby, And he did. 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:33.799 You know. 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:35.719 That was good? 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.160 I came through right. 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:40.040 Look at God. You know. 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:43.840 I'll close us out with the two best scenes I 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.720 feel like in the movie, the first one being Matthew 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:48.759 McConaughey feeling and he thinks they're gonna lose. 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:49.719 He wanted to take a plead. 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.319 He go talk to call league and call league give 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:53.920 him some straightening, and he said. 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.000 Man, nigga, you're not my friend. 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.040 You the enemy, and the only reason that I hired 0:34:58.080 --> 0:34:59.800 you is because you the enemy. I thought this was 0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.560 a great scene. Good actor by Samuel Jackson, great message 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.000 from character to character. You didn't think the acting was good, Mike, 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.960 Great message from character to character. What didn't you like 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:09.320 about it? 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:09.520 Mike? 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.759 I'm not a fan of sam Jackson like that, not 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.960 in dramatic roles. He can be fucking nick fury, you 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.000 know what I'm saying. He can do comedy type shits, 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.520 but I'm not a fan of him when he's like. 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.319 Doing a deep role. No, because he just he just 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.279 sounded like a country fucking what. 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.239 I'm saying that I didn't get any depth from it, 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.399 Like I feel like if this was a different actor, 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:35.399 I probably would have been. 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:39.120 A little bit more like the Zel No. That's funny, 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:40.080 you know, I'm trying to think of. 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:40.600 Who I would have. 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.440 I think the depth came from, Not to speak for you, 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.759 my perception of it was they thought Carley was just dummy. 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.680 It's just dumb black country as dude with all these 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:56.080 kids and going to Matthew McConaughey's character earlier, you think 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:59.960 that he had some type of fondness or like he's 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:01.759 looking at him with like with Matthew kind of say 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.360 so with friends. I know you called I love the 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.560 depth in the scene of him like I don't fuck 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.719 with you, Like I don't fuck with you at all, 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.279 and I want you to really understand that and go 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.640 use that to get me off of this fucking charge. 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:14.600 That's where I thought. 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.399 Yeah, but he checked him early in the movie when 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.279 he was like, hey man, yeah, ship were making a 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:23.799 good team bro, right, So he checked him early. So 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:30.719 Bragance was under this sort of this this misconception that 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:32.480 they were, you know, homies. 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.240 Yeah, because he had he had worked with them before 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:36.799 for his brother, right, first brother. 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.160 Yeah yeah, where was his brother should I don't know, 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.439 he's probably one of them negroes. Good question, but but yeah, 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.839 so that's what it was. But that was a transactional relationship, 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.719 and you know, and so he called him out of 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.160 all this to like our daughters don't play together, like 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:53.280 none of that shit happens. 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.759 I ain't never even seen you on my part of time. 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.080 Right, And then that's what but Roy arc rourke called 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:00.799 him out too. It's like, it's because you come to 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.440 this place and in the black side of town and 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:08.160 eat from the restaurant, don't make you like a real 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.640 ally to them. You know, you're just like putting on 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:16.120 this sort of invisible black face by coming here, you know, 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:17.440 And that's what it is. 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.319 So I think I forgot. I completely forgot. 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.440 About the way this scene was written and the dialogue 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.160 in it, and I thought it was really really good. 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.480 It's one of the conversations and things that we talk 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.800 about when you know, like the sort of finding ways 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.200 to end racism is that it has to come from 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.880 other white people and that's the only way they can connect. 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.040 And he was like, the only way you can understand 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.919 is because you are one of them. And you have 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:47.759 white people that seem to not understand that they are 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:51.239 part of the system, integrated into the system, whether they 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.960 want to admit it or not. And just because you 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:58.200 go to a restaurant doesn't mean that you know, you're 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.160 not part of it, especially when he's a differ for 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:07.000 type of liberal, which happens then other liberals. So so yeah, 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:08.719 so now this this, this was good. 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:10.960 Now he ain't like it. He ain't like to be 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.000 told that ship Rod. He was like, you're a bad guy. 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.279 Use your bad guy powers to get me off of this. 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:18.960 Did you like to sing? 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:20.520 Right? I did. 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:24.200 I thought it was an interesting perspective. I wasn't expecting that. 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.399 I wasn't expecting him to tell him that, Like I don't, 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.120 we're not we're not friends. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.200 So but I feel like he took it on the chain. 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.160 I feel like he accepted. 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:33.279 That he did. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:35.960 He was a little offended because he made that little 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.879 smart ass comment later, yeah, shout and slapped him for that. 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.040 What was the smart comedy man when he was like, oh, 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.399 remember I'm the enemy and then like walked off. Shut 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:44.880 the fuck up. 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.320 You know what I meant. We're not doing this for free, 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:49.719 shut up exactly. 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:51.560 Yeah, if you were my friend, it will be pro bono. 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.120 But I think also right to your point, that really 0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.279 resonated with him because it allowed him to kind of 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.239 check himself and then coming back to like, why did 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:02.000 he take this case? 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.319 Not being fake about it? Just just just accept what 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.919 it actually is. Yeah, and that's going to make you better. 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.719 Job Like you up here being pretentious and being like 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:10.680 I'm doing this for. 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.920 It's pretty Yeah, he lost everything you almost lost your 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:15.480 damn dog. 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:16.720 Was Matts came. 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.920 I was too, that was. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:23.120 Come on boy, come on man, come on boy. 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.360 I thought, yeah, so that was real, So that that 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.719 actually happened. Yeah, I really ran away and he came back. 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.439 Yeah I thought he got bro I thought I thought 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.480 he was gone. 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:37.239 Oh wait, wait what I thought he was burned in 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.120 the fire for real? 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:39.520 I don't know. He came back. 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.360 Yeah, you thought you was dreaming. 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.800 No, that's what I was thinking. 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:46.400 That really happened. 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:51.680 Yeah, like like, yeah, I was surprised when Mats came back. 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.200 I was surprised when Max came back. 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.720 He thought it was a dream. Yeah, it was a dream, 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.239 he thought, because one of the other dude. 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.320 Yeah, what are you talking about? 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.759 If he went up there trying to royal or he 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.839 could have been there that he could have the house, 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:06.560 he should. 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.520 Have went ahead and fun. That was my biggest issue. 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.239 What she was. She was scumming. She was trying to 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:13.880 sleep with that man. 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.200 No, he was ready and soul wish. 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.120 She saw that. She was like, I gotta give me 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:19.480 some of this. 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.279 She was like, you want to kiss me? Right? He said, yeah, 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:25.600 that was cold. 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:30.480 He was just like it was after she was beat up. 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.000 Yeah, I don't want to catch her either. But before that, 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:33.840 I'm sucking. 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:36.840 You want me to stay? He was like, yeah, I do, 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:37.880 but that's why he should go. 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.080 He look, but he had the blockers up. 0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:44.680 He was trying, she was trying. He was. 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.279 He should have went ahead and hit. 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:49.880 He was like, his wife was cute. 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:54.799 Love his wife, and his wife back. That was actually joud. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.520 his wife came back. But this was after the conversation, 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.880 and that's when he realized and she realized. 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:03.240 She was like, oh, wait a minute. 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.200 You took this bit because you envisioned what this would 0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.000 be like if this was our daughter. 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.640 Yeah, that was a good moment. Yeah, that was a really, 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:12.719 really good moment. 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.160 Which led us to the closing arguments. I think the 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.840 car league scene in that moment leading to his closing 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.840 argument of walking them, having him close their eyes, walking 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:28.120 them through all of these events being super descriptive, and 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.800 then the legendary line they'll imagine if she was white. 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.640 That that was the line. And then when he said, yeah, 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.760 I wish that, you know, I hope they burn in hell. 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.840 That one, and that I just lost the case to it. 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:42.960 I love that though. 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.520 I remember the first time I heard that, I was like, damn, 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:46.160 it was cold. 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.719 That's the only thing I knew from this movie. Yes, 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:49.600 they deserve to die. 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:50.800 I hope they burn it out. 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.880 I don't know what he was talking about, class I 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:54.440 was I agree with you. 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.200 I agree with you, Sam. Did you like to close 0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:58.600 the statement? 0:41:58.640 --> 0:41:58.799 Mic? 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.040 It was long. I didn't know they could do closing 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.080 statements they are that long. 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:04.960 But it was good. Yeah, it was. 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:11.479 It was a good idea for him to I'm torn 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:14.480 by the meaning, like because the whole like, imagine if 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:18.040 they were white. I get it, Like, you know, he 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:22.160 knows that they can't humanize a black person, so they 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.359 have to imagine that it was a white person. I 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.160 just don't know if that would work for a racist 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.840 ass jury because they just be like, Okay, imagine, close 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.200 your eyes she's this and it was beat up. 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.120 Now I imagine she was white, but she wasn't right. 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:49.240 I'm just saying, dude, she opened your eyes up, maste. 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.760 I don't see a white girl. I see a nigglat. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.200 So I don't know how much I mean this. I 0:42:58.239 --> 0:42:59.719 know the scene was supposed to hit, and I'm sure 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.120 it hit when it came out, but it was a 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.520 good closing argument. I don't think it would have worked, 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:07.919 especially that racist one when he was like the guy 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.600 that was like all that nigga's dead. It wouldn't have 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.120 worked on him at all. 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:17.439 The the win it was wanting to take the the vote. Yeah, 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:18.759 the one that was like, let's go ahead and get 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:19.200 this through. 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:21.360 That dead. 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:23.880 I don't think he'd have changed his mind when they 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.080 said imagine she why he would have been the one 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:27.239 that was like, bro, but she's not. 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.120 But we were supposed to believe that that swayed the 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:30.720 whole jury. 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.000 I know, yeah too, because it had to be. 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:34.760 They had already said guilty. 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.239 Maybe he just realized he was like little fucking shit. 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.680 Goddamn it, he got everybody else. 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.879 It's eleven. I'm not gonna be the one. I'm ready 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:42.319 to go home. 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.160 They showed his face and like they zoomed it on 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.200 his face, and I was like, that motherfucker not buying this. 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.640 He wasn't. He barely moved his face. 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.319 If they tried this, I did when you asked me 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:52.120 about the court stuff. 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.479 I did think it was funny that Kevin Space kept 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:55.799 kept trying to keep it on. 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:56.399 Man. 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:58.480 Look, we ain't talking about I don't know nothing about it, 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:02.520 about the murder. Why y'all keep bringing this up? 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:09.759 Yeah, I was good. That can't right with your main thing. 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.000 He didn't you talk about that figuring up old ship 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:15.920 thought the closing arguments. 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:17.440 I liked it. 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.000 I thought it was strong, even even now because I 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.640 forgot that he said that at the end. So when 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.759 he said it, I was like, Okay, yeah, I can 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.600 imagine it's really hitting back in there or whatever. So 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.840 I thought it was cool, Like that's what he was 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.560 really descripted. Oh okay, this was hard to hear. This 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:36.839 was hard to hear. That's what I was thinking too. 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.919 Like hearing like her wound was damaged for the rest 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:41.040 of her life. 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:47.080 And kid, I can't have kids, and yeah I'm sad man, Yeah. 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:48.200 You know. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:52.960 Unated on her was why is he being so descripted 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.560 they were trying to make see it. 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:58.600 I mean, like the writer like, I'm wondering if this 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.160 was like based on a real case or something thing 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:00.560 like that. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:05.000 Oh, okay, got you I can imagine probably. Yeah. 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:09.800 Yeah, this is when we get the details of everything 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.520 that happen when it broke the branch, when it broke 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:18.600 throwing the can flesh cut into the bone. Throwing off 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.640 the bridge. 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:20.640 That's crazy. 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.959 I didn't know they did all that. Threw her ass 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.720 off a bridge. Someone catcher. 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.000 No, she landed in the water and was still able 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.560 to swim her ass, Yeah, because. 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.719 It probably wasn't It probably was almost like a Now 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:35.359 it had to be. 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:36.040 They had to have. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:39.440 Some water because I was thinking it's like a small 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.520 ditch or something that people can walk through. But either 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.040 way or maybe somebody saw it, I don't know, but nah. 0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:50.359 And you know, when you don't value black life and 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:53.840 you know you're gonna walk like, yeah, you can do whatever, 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:57.960 because you know in this town, yeah, they're all up 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.799 in there. Twenty six percent of them are over there, 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:04.520 and they're not going to send us to jail, you know, 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:06.720 And where's the proof? 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:08.160 You know? 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.560 Even to this day, this scene, still watching The Last 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:15.800 Night still got me, Bro. I was like, dug it out, yeah, 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.560 and dug it out, bro, because it's a very emotional scene. 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:24.799 I think there was an elevation to it having read 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:26.360 some of the stories that I read in that book, 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:34.360 real instances of stuff happening like this and this fictional 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.960 instant which you know, we all know that this stuff 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.560 that they used to do and there's no justice and 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:45.000 even now in our modern day society where we see 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.920 a variation of this happening now, and. 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.399 You know, him going back to. 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:57.439 Connecting everything, back to what Sam said, what Carl said 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:01.600 to Bragance, is that the only way you can connect 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.839 is to connect the way you connected, and the way 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.680 you connected was you imagined that that was your daughter. 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:10.920 That's why you took the case. That's what your wife 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:11.359 told you. 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.840 That's the only way you're going to get them to 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.440 understand and see what happened, you know, because they're still 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:19.600 fit stating on the fact that a two. 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:24.239 White men was shot, not why they were shot. 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:26.840 And that's why Rod, you know, of course why he 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.759 was like, nah, we can't talk about how we got here. 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:35.200 Were just gotta talking about where we're at. And it was, 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.880 it was, it was, it was. 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.160 It was good. It was good. 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.759 And I think it still hit for me to this day, 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.399 you know, And and I loved him. 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:44.520 Man. 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.960 He set it up nice, the palls where he just 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:49.680 stopped and earybody just kind of looked up. 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.680 Even the judge was like, ship, we got them. 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:53.040 Yeah. 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:59.600 It was like god, dang, all right, fine, all right, 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.719 and then carly Is announced The Innocent movie in to 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:04.680 the crowd cheering. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:05.680 Uh. 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:09.359 Any final thoughts, What was. 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:13.720 The whole point of the dude selling my mama voted 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:17.000 for you? So I figured if a nigger was on. 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.120 TV, it was m. 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:31.120 I think also, like, they'll give you a vote even 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:31.960 if they're racist. 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.680 If it's that's what I'm saying, So that the point 0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:35.520 of that scene. 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.359 I think it was because say, you wanted the good 0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:40.640 niggas because we know you from football, you played football, 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:42.120 you're good like that. 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:44.640 Was yeah, So that's that's like I said. I think 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:45.440 that was good writing. 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:48.200 Was there because you wonder like, how how does a 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:53.000 black cop become a share for this football, racist ass town. 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.879 Yeah, keeping Sutherland was trying to get out of there. 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:58.560 I hated it with him, but it was like, hey, hey, 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.520 we gotta talk. Was like, hey, you get your ass 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:02.120 over there too. 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:03.880 He gonna like he was shot. 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.120 He was saying in the back like yeah, let's get him. 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.279 Motherfuckers your ass over whatever? What you're doing? 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.440 All right, y'all? That was our review for the anniversary. 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.520 Well he went to play with the kids. 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.520 Yeah, that was that was I know, Rob probably teared up, 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.359 and I didn't like cleaning white as over there. 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:25.480 This was Corny's hell. 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:27.640 Man, what hero, what he brings? It seems like some 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:29.640 whole coddler, wholesome ship you would like. 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:31.680 He don't know better because he went over there in 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:32.480 the white shirt too. 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:34.399 He never had ribs like black. 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.600 He didn't know she's gonna be red with it and. 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.240 They're gonna throw that peach collar in the trees. 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:46.040 You know they are right in the raisins in it. 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:49.799 But I had to thought about you. He he got 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:50.840 invited to the cookout. 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:56.640 I was like, y'all, this is where it came from, 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.960 this movie, where that statement came from. 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.000 Because but the thing is, he wasn't really invited. 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:06.200 He was shut up. This is how that go That's 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.880 not how that goes. I was just told about it. 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:10.640 You know, I really want you to come. 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:16.960 On your daughter, right, It's like, I really want you 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:21.359 to What would happened we run If you showed up 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:25.440 on my doorstep, I would get spray. 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:28.560 He he's a nigger lover in that town for a lot. 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:33.759 You might and hang out with him. Remember they were 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.040 calling his daughter, and Nigga loves you every time he 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:37.520 come home crying. 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.120 The daughter was like, I don't even like him. 0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:42.319 Yeah, they got a little friend. 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:46.719 That was cute, But that scene of Sam Jackson and 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.720 Matthew McConaughey looking at each other was uncomfortably long. 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.600 It felt like the diddy means or the. 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.919 Dude staring yeah, because it kept going back and forth. 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:57.279 I was like, all right, bro, we get it. Are 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.640 you gonna say something? Sam Jackson, I've been in jail 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:01.200 for a minute. 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:05.840 Oh lord, oh man. That is the frame per second 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.280 podcast and a ton. 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:11.319 Of time to kill. Now there's a time to thrill out.