Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frames per Second Podcast. But we are
Speaker 2: doing an anniversary episode of the film nineteen ninety six
Speaker 2: film starring Matthew McConaughey Samuel Jackson, titled It's a Time
Speaker 2: to Kill. I'll go around the room and see what
Speaker 2: everyone thought about this movie before we dump jumped into it.
Speaker 2: I'll start with me. It's been a long time since
Speaker 2: I watched this movie. I remember liking it, but I
Speaker 2: didn't remember it being this good. I really really liked
Speaker 2: this movie in a sense, I just forgot on some
Speaker 2: of the notes that they played. I'm always here for
Speaker 2: a courtroom drama. I thought some of the performances were
Speaker 2: fantastic with Matthew McConaughey Samuel Jackson, Like who knew Sandra
Speaker 2: Bullock used to look good?
Speaker 3: I forgot all about that. I forgot she used to
Speaker 3: look good man.
Speaker 4: I was a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did an age like milk You think.
Speaker 5: Me, I haven't. I don't know. I'm looking down I
Speaker 5: mean though, but I loved it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we reviewed. This has probably been one of
Speaker 2: my favorite anniversary films to review. I'll toss it over
Speaker 2: to Mike. You said you haven't seen this.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 6: I had not seen this all the way through. I've
Speaker 6: seen like little small bits and pieces.
Speaker 4: Really, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Don't fuck with Sam Jackson like that, bro, especially trying
Speaker 7: to see him in a dramatical role. I'm not watching
Speaker 7: this ship. But no, I was good. It was a
Speaker 7: bit long for me.
Speaker 1: It was two hours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, what, I didn't remember that.
Speaker 7: I was mad when I sat down and put this on,
Speaker 7: I was like, wait a minute, this is there another movie.
Speaker 4: It is almost three hours long.
Speaker 5: But no, I was good, man, it was really really
Speaker 5: well done.
Speaker 3: I forgot about it. Yeah, it was good, Ken, what
Speaker 3: you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my favorite movies of all time, bro, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This told my top twenty list. I didn't realize it
Speaker 2: before start, but yeah, definitely one of my favorite ones
Speaker 2: of all time. Love it, Rod, this worked for you? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: this This is definitely one of the ones.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: It's obviously triggering to see, you know, the one scene,
Speaker 7: so yeah, I always hated that scene, but I do
Speaker 7: like to think that follow after, like you know what
Speaker 7: I'm saying. So so now, yeah, this is a this
Speaker 7: is a good one, man.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was directed by Joe Schumacher based off of John
Speaker 2: Grisham novel.
Speaker 5: You're a Hater, Spike. She looks great for her age.
Speaker 7: She looks damned the same as she looked in the
Speaker 7: movie Don't.
Speaker 2: If You won't.
Speaker 4: She looks great.
Speaker 3: She looked good in the movie.
Speaker 7: I think she looks great. You see some of these,
Speaker 7: especially white folks that have aged. She looks really good
Speaker 7: for her age.
Speaker 2: I put it like this. She not ugly. Now, you're right,
Speaker 2: But I didn't remember her being hot. She was hot
Speaker 2: in this movie. I never thought of her as hot. Yes,
Speaker 2: I hadn't either til I seen in this movie. I
Speaker 2: think they did a good job of making her appear
Speaker 2: that way. That's what I will say. All right, So
Speaker 2: let's get into it. The films open were in Mississippi,
Speaker 2: a little Tanya shopping at the grocery store. We get
Speaker 2: these two red knicks causing the ruckers on the road,
Speaker 2: terrorizing the grocery store. She leaves out. We have the
Speaker 2: whole assault that happens. I'll go around in the room.
Speaker 5: Did y'all like that?
Speaker 2: They got right into it. Did y'all think it was
Speaker 2: gonna be more build up, more set up? Before this?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 5: I didn't remember it getting right into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: I feel like movies was kind of like that back
Speaker 7: in the day, though, Like they kind of get right
Speaker 7: into it. They don't really waste no time. As soon
Speaker 7: as you see that pickup truck, you already know what
Speaker 7: time it is.
Speaker 1: That's some red necks.
Speaker 7: She was like, Oh, some shit about to go down.
Speaker 7: I just where were they were in Missisi? And they
Speaker 7: haven't call another movie called Missipi Burnings. I used to
Speaker 7: get those confused. A time to kill the Mississipi burning
Speaker 7: I used to get those confused.
Speaker 2: This story is kind of like to kill a mocking
Speaker 2: bird in a little bit in the courtroom side, on
Speaker 2: the courtroom side.
Speaker 1: Yeah but na.
Speaker 7: Yeah man, yeah yeah. They get right into it and
Speaker 7: it makes you had them immediately or whatever. I'm just
Speaker 7: trying to think and what time period was This supposed
Speaker 7: to be nineties, so it was supposed to be in
Speaker 7: the nineties, So I'm just like, what would we Is
Speaker 7: that realistic that that to read get away with this?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Remember there were stories in the nineties picking
Speaker 2: up motherfuckers, dragging them behind the truck and stuff like
Speaker 2: that came from real news headline.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you know this, but you still hop your Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's the part I was trying to read.
Speaker 6: This is why I be worried about y'all, because it
Speaker 6: like this, really he does and did happen?
Speaker 1: Said, Yeah, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 8: It was actually nineteen eighty four movie took a little
Speaker 8: bit more more.
Speaker 7: I just looked it up and just seemed like I
Speaker 7: just don't remember liked happened in the nine that absolutely
Speaker 7: happened in the ninety Yes, but yeah, yes, like a
Speaker 7: black community with two white boys. Yeah, because the type
Speaker 7: of black community that they were in, there was zero
Speaker 7: power for them in that community.
Speaker 5: If you're living in a in an area like that.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4: Anyway, the rock wasn't enough to help them.
Speaker 7: Nah, but nah, like yeah, just hearing her, like, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, I dropped, sorry, I dropped the gross daddy
Speaker 7: Jesus Christ and her just calling out to her daddy
Speaker 7: the whole time. Me being a father now here and
Speaker 7: that ship. But yeah, it hit a little different. It
Speaker 7: hit a little different having a daughter myself, and so yeah,
Speaker 7: I was just like.
Speaker 5: Jesus, I didn't know that that's what this was.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 7: So I was like, all right, I'm a little annoyed
Speaker 7: that I gotta watch two and a half hours of
Speaker 7: some sup like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he picked up for you.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah when he shot him, Yeah, okay, cool cool
Speaker 7: and and the copper clatteral damage.
Speaker 6: Hey, thumbs up, I'm liking this. Oh well, so well,
Speaker 6: wasn't standing on business.
Speaker 1: And I give a I give a little.
Speaker 5: The cock.
Speaker 8: I guess he knew he was a cock when he
Speaker 8: went to go arrest him, because he popped that dude
Speaker 8: upside the head with that bottom. Oh rock, Yeah, like,
Speaker 8: get your ass on. Because he would call him a
Speaker 8: nigger and everything, called him a nigga. Yeah, you doing
Speaker 8: this aloud?
Speaker 5: Like your boy?
Speaker 3: That's your boy can from twenty four?
Speaker 5: Who that is?
Speaker 4: That was late?
Speaker 2: That was the brother yeah keeper yep. So they get
Speaker 2: they have the whole scene where they meet at the house.
Speaker 2: They figured out what happens to Tanya from there. You see,
Speaker 2: the charge just doesn't is the sheriff of the town.
Speaker 2: He goes to arrest Carl Lee. Carl Lee says, niggers
Speaker 2: not allowed in here.
Speaker 4: I thought Carl Lee was Sam Jackson.
Speaker 7: No, oh, you're right, yeah right, Remember the other dude Billy,
Speaker 7: Billy Billy.
Speaker 1: Something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he goes to arrest Billy Ray. Did y'all
Speaker 2: think at this point, Mike, I know you said your
Speaker 2: first Did you think it was gonna be one of
Speaker 2: those movies where the white people were gonna have an
Speaker 2: advantage and like they talking to this cop any type
Speaker 2: of way in their little bar?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where'd you think it goes from here? You thought
Speaker 2: you're gonna be frustrated.
Speaker 7: I thought they were gonna kill Rock too, But he
Speaker 7: had the back end of the other white cops.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 6: I don't trust white cops period, especially in nineteen eighty
Speaker 6: four in southern wherever the fuck they're at Clanton, Mississippi,
Speaker 6: mississ in Mississippi. Come on, bro, I don't even know
Speaker 6: what that is.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't been to Clinton.
Speaker 3: This is about they said it was about old Miss somewhere.
Speaker 6: And how you spelling this c O A N T
Speaker 6: O N. That is insane that this place is called Clanton.
Speaker 6: That's wild And.
Speaker 4: That's a real.
Speaker 5: He said about in the movie that was saying she
Speaker 5: was close to old Miss.
Speaker 1: That's the player. I've never been there, you knew, he said,
Speaker 1: he didn't, that's what.
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, all right, So they get locked up. They
Speaker 2: go to jail, call Lee go down there and tell
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey's character, look, they might get off.
Speaker 3: I need you to know. I need to know that
Speaker 3: you've got me.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: And he go down there, he confides in him and
Speaker 2: tell him I might be thinking of doing something. Should
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey's character have called the police or notified someone legally?
Speaker 6: Yes, morally no, as a lawyer his job legally, yeah,
Speaker 6: he should have probably got disbarred, but they don't know
Speaker 6: that he knew. Yeah, he didn't tell anybody, but yeah,
Speaker 6: he probably being a lawyer, he probably should have taken
Speaker 6: that ship. Seriously, this man just had his daughter raped
Speaker 6: and attempted murdered, and he comes in here and says
Speaker 6: he's gonna he's thinking about doing something crazy and you
Speaker 6: just don't say anything.
Speaker 8: And he did start telling everybody, seem like, but he
Speaker 8: told his wife, he told somebody else, folks, he told
Speaker 8: his home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh but yeah.
Speaker 8: But Clinton is not real, but Canton, Mississippi is real.
Speaker 8: So John Grisham probably did a player on words just
Speaker 8: for that. But Canton, Mississippi is a real place, but
Speaker 8: Clinton is not as fictional, got it.
Speaker 2: So he tells him that he goes hide out in
Speaker 2: the courtroom, they get escorted in, and he came out
Speaker 2: blasting shot both of the ass and the police.
Speaker 5: She was tight.
Speaker 2: How satisfying was this scene for like looking at Cary
Speaker 2: and understanding as a father, Rod like, could you see
Speaker 2: could you understand what he did?
Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely understand what he did at that point, It's like,
Speaker 7: all all that shit is out the window, man, to
Speaker 7: see your baby girl raped and.
Speaker 3: I can't have kids?
Speaker 4: And oh I forgot about that part.
Speaker 7: Yeah because he oh yeah, because what he said at
Speaker 7: the end the end was crazy with how he.
Speaker 4: What he said that.
Speaker 7: Closely but now yeah, I got it, Like this was
Speaker 7: the title of the movie.
Speaker 5: That's definitely was.
Speaker 7: Time to Kill Like so yeah, so that I definitely
Speaker 7: thought that was I thought that was like kind of
Speaker 7: like when Mike said, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, cool,
Speaker 7: that works for me, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm in satisfied. Was absolutely loved it.
Speaker 8: I remember the first time I watched it growing up,
Speaker 8: you know, in this sort of environment, hearing stories growing up,
Speaker 8: seeing some crazy ship yourself. You know, Yeah, this this
Speaker 8: was This was great for me to see this, and
Speaker 8: even as an adult, it's kind of one of the
Speaker 8: things that I wish there were more revenge killings, you
Speaker 8: know that took place and it sounds fucked up, but
Speaker 8: like the ten year old girl raped and killed, and
Speaker 8: there's a I mean, I'm sorry, thanks, assaulted and raped.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a book called Southern.
Speaker 8: Horror Slave Stories or something like that that it's very
Speaker 8: difficult to read, but they go through historical instances.
Speaker 1: Of white people.
Speaker 8: Doing this sort of behavior to black people and vice versa,
Speaker 8: and they talk about how if justice isn't met it
Speaker 8: they'll go into the jails, drag him out and kill them,
Speaker 8: and white people getting off or doing the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: It's a very difficult book to read, but you know.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 8: That I didn't read that before this, but you know,
Speaker 8: I started reading it a couple of years ago and
Speaker 8: watching this now having read some stories that they're telling
Speaker 8: in this book that's similar, you know, it's just like
Speaker 8: to do that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's a YouTube series similar to that called Slave Narratives.
Speaker 1: I think that's.
Speaker 2: Really but this is a slaves telling the experiences of
Speaker 2: being slaves.
Speaker 3: This ship is fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: And then what he said to before.
Speaker 7: He he hit her with the can, what he said
Speaker 7: to his homeboy before he hit her with the crawl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they stay in the position. God disgusting.
Speaker 2: If she wasn't a kid, do y'all think y'all would
Speaker 2: have looked at what car he did differently?
Speaker 3: Nope, still with him, you know?
Speaker 10: Not?
Speaker 5: Hell, No, absolutely not. They deserve to die. I hope
Speaker 5: they burn in hell. And I hope they burn in hell.
Speaker 3: He asked a question, and.
Speaker 1: It's actually Southern Horrors and the Red Records by Ada B. Wells.
Speaker 2: Ye, all right, let's talk about Jake Bergants. He is
Speaker 2: the lawyer that plays Matthe mccon Matthew McConaughey plays him
Speaker 2: as a lawyer.
Speaker 4: Uh, it said.
Speaker 2: It just kind of established Matthew McConaughey as a leading
Speaker 2: man this film. This established him as a leading role
Speaker 2: in the film.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was trying to remember when what, like,
Speaker 7: what other what role did he have before this? That
Speaker 7: it was this was his breakout They say this was
Speaker 7: his breakout role. He said this movie made him one.
Speaker 7: What y'all think about his sports?
Speaker 4: I mean it was good, It's basic.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good.
Speaker 8: I think definitely at the end, I think he you know,
Speaker 8: delivered the good performers at the end.
Speaker 1: Uh. But yeah, I think overall it was it was
Speaker 1: pretty good. I see why.
Speaker 8: People would connect to him as an actor after watching this.
Speaker 3: Was he being was brigand's being kind of naive and
Speaker 3: taking this case?
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 8: M Yeah, I don't. I don't think he was being naive.
Speaker 8: I think he later explained that. I think it was guilt.
Speaker 8: He's from the town, he knows how things get down there,
Speaker 8: and he also knows that this guy ain't got any
Speaker 8: money to even afford him, so why even take the case?
Speaker 1: So it was definitely guilt and why he took it.
Speaker 8: And then I don't and I don't think his continuents
Speaker 8: of it was driven by you know, naivete. I think
Speaker 8: at that point defiance you.
Speaker 1: Know as well.
Speaker 4: I think just because he's a defense attorney.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're gonna take defense on it, why
Speaker 7: not take a defense on something like this where you
Speaker 7: can see.
Speaker 4: The reason and why.
Speaker 1: It's down there.
Speaker 4: I understand it's an unwinnable case and he knew that,
Speaker 4: but like.
Speaker 1: Then his.
Speaker 7: The guy performed Lucy and would take cases that was
Speaker 7: like that too, and he was yeah, but he was.
Speaker 3: Good, got good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he was still he was.
Speaker 4: Under his lineage, but yeah, not lineage, but he was
Speaker 4: under his too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, his mentor, Lucian did take cases. He was an
Speaker 8: activist like lawyer or whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 8: But and that's what got him.
Speaker 1: So right.
Speaker 7: So I don't know, I just feel like I do
Speaker 7: agree to stuff that you said, but I also think
Speaker 7: naturally as a defense lawyer, you're gonna take tough cases.
Speaker 1: I think even Lucian was like, bro, like what are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, why would you do this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: You know, and then he realized because yeah, Lucian was
Speaker 8: question it was like yeah, he was talking it through
Speaker 8: when he was drinking, was like yeah, I don't know
Speaker 8: about this one, broud. But then it was like shit.
Speaker 8: Then on the other hand, you actually could win, he said.
Speaker 8: But if you lose, he said, he said, I think
Speaker 8: he said both ways, justice will prevail. That was his thing,
Speaker 8: So it no matter what if you get him off,
Speaker 8: justice prevails.
Speaker 1: If he lose, just prevailed.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all right. From now we get the brothers
Speaker 2: who can't believe this happened. To two white men in
Speaker 2: Mississippi and they out for blood and they want the
Speaker 2: Klan back in town. Did that whole the brother storyline
Speaker 2: the Klan? Did that work for y'all?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I mean them dudes. I mean it shows the horror
Speaker 8: of the clan. But I think more importantly it shows
Speaker 8: that where the Klan resides then and in present day
Speaker 8: on the police force and in these offices. They and
Speaker 8: even the guy that they were talking to, was that
Speaker 8: Stumps or whatever his name was. He basically said, we're
Speaker 8: still around. We just transformed. Yeah, and we're in a
Speaker 8: we're we're in a different form. But if you want
Speaker 8: to go back to the old school ship, we can
Speaker 8: do that. Got to go find a couple of folks
Speaker 8: and we can make it happen. And that's what it did.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I think very deliberate and showing the cop
Speaker 8: so people can actually see that that sort of ship
Speaker 8: happens and and exist.
Speaker 2: We saw a face that we ain't seen in a
Speaker 2: while because he's on hard times after the shit happened
Speaker 2: to him. Kevin Space, God, how good he was man,
Speaker 2: just as an actor in general, I think this kind
Speaker 2: of is the root of his role and he acted
Speaker 2: like it's in the House of Cards. This may have
Speaker 2: been with that side of him originated as far as
Speaker 2: a role like that. But did y'all think Kevin Spacey
Speaker 2: did a good job and did the movie do a
Speaker 2: good job of portraying I'm not sure if he was
Speaker 2: racist or if the judge was racist, but they did
Speaker 2: a good job of like walking the line the way
Speaker 2: you had to think about it.
Speaker 6: I think he was racist, Yeah, in the movie Kevin Spacey, Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's had a few things that made me think he
Speaker 6: was racist. I trying to remember what they were now,
Speaker 6: but he definitely said a couple of things that were Yeah,
Speaker 6: because when when they were trying to move the courthouse
Speaker 6: to or try to move the trial to another place,
Speaker 6: he said something about the all white jury like he
Speaker 6: was stoked about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just.
Speaker 7: Called them black people. He didn't call them niggas well.
Speaker 7: He was in a professional setting, he couldn't call them niggers.
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't take them as racist.
Speaker 7: I just took him as a lawyer that that that
Speaker 7: took an opportunity to try to win the case.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: To mendle tomorrow, motherfucker was racist to me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like he would take a case on
Speaker 7: a black person if you feel like he could win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he was just racist. I thought
Speaker 3: he was in to the win.
Speaker 4: The judge.
Speaker 3: I have more questions about.
Speaker 6: The judge I thought was I thought it wasn't towards
Speaker 6: the end when he started letting.
Speaker 2: That's what made me in the beginning is like this
Speaker 2: racist motherfucker, But then closer to the end, it was like, well,
Speaker 2: he's just an asshole for Mississippi, So that that was interesting. Also,
Speaker 2: we meet Ellen Rourke. She got a rich daddy, She
Speaker 2: going to law school to old miss and she wanted
Speaker 2: help with the case.
Speaker 3: Did y'all like Sandra Bullock?
Speaker 7: The second she showed up, I was like, he gonna
Speaker 7: cheap brom, he gone cheat the second she shut up.
Speaker 7: But I did like her. She was really good enough.
Speaker 3: He did a good job in this. Yeah you think
Speaker 3: she did a good job.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if she was necessary watching it best?
Speaker 5: Damn, what do you mean?
Speaker 7: Because what was she like a paralegal or something, or like,
Speaker 7: what what was her role law? She was in law school,
Speaker 7: So I'm just like, what was was she necessary? Could
Speaker 7: have got anybody to do this right, Like was she necessary?
Speaker 2: I think they had to add that for the tension
Speaker 2: of what Mike said, him cheating on.
Speaker 4: Understand that you don't think I don't think the movie
Speaker 4: needed that.
Speaker 7: Why Why did the movie need I think the movie
Speaker 7: needed someone because he It showed that he wasn't Uh,
Speaker 7: he wasn't capable of winning on his own if he
Speaker 7: but he.
Speaker 4: Had he had his mentor that he could have got
Speaker 4: inform me.
Speaker 6: Remember she she was able to go and get the
Speaker 6: details that he needed, Like she went and stuck in
Speaker 6: the office and got him that ship.
Speaker 4: Couldn't the other guy do that?
Speaker 5: The drunk guy, he was always drunk.
Speaker 4: Some of his mentor, No, not his mentor with the
Speaker 4: other guy.
Speaker 7: That guy wasn't really helping his friend. They could have
Speaker 7: used him to do that, Like why do we have
Speaker 7: to break Bulleck in Huh, Oliver Platt, Uh, Harry Rix.
Speaker 7: They could have easily used him to do what they
Speaker 7: had Sandra Bullock doing. But I think they wanted Sandra
Speaker 7: Bullock there. It's not only that what she was doing
Speaker 7: in the courtroom, but to show how this was affecting
Speaker 7: his life outside of work. Your wife gone you having
Speaker 7: these temptations of maybe wanting to sleep with this woman,
Speaker 7: like it made his character less noble because even when
Speaker 7: they had the conversation with the over lunch and she
Speaker 7: was like, I thought you were a liberal, a liberal,
Speaker 7: he was like, I am, I just took a liberal
Speaker 7: that you are. So it kind of brought him down
Speaker 7: a notch versus where being the great White Knight.
Speaker 3: I think that's why they put her there.
Speaker 4: Okay, I agree.
Speaker 6: I think I think the the the conversation that they
Speaker 6: had at the at the diner was very uh pivot
Speaker 6: as far as why she was in the movie. She
Speaker 6: thought he was a certain type of way because he
Speaker 6: took this case, which I did too. But then when
Speaker 6: you realize like, no, that's not what it is, then
Speaker 6: you start wondering, Okay, what what are his motivations? Then
Speaker 6: I'm still not sure what his original motivations were. It
Speaker 6: sounded to me like he just wanted to prove himself.
Speaker 5: He just wanted to fame, right, That's what I mean, Right, he.
Speaker 6: Wanted to prove himself and get like the famous law.
Speaker 6: I don't think he gave a fuck about Carl Lee.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 8: But I think the fame that came with it was
Speaker 8: a byproduct of it, and if he won that case,
Speaker 8: he would be a made man, right, But it's also
Speaker 8: a case that you can lose everything, which he was
Speaker 8: losing everything because the calls were drying up and stuff
Speaker 8: like that. So I did like that conversation that they
Speaker 8: had at the table, because it's like he comes across
Speaker 8: as an ally, but only to a certain point, you know,
Speaker 8: and sometimes that stuff for fool folks, and which you know,
Speaker 8: we get a whole conversation about it later. But I
Speaker 8: think that was really really dope. As far as the
Speaker 8: other two, I don't know if Kevin Spacey's character was
Speaker 8: necessarily racist.
Speaker 1: I'm in this city in Mississippi.
Speaker 8: I'm inclined to believe the judge absolutely, and he was
Speaker 8: buddy buddies with the other guy.
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 8: I don't know if his character was racist, but he's
Speaker 8: selfish and he will uphold racist ideas in order to
Speaker 8: win a case and make himself look better. But he
Speaker 8: damn sure don't give it about fuck about black folks,
Speaker 8: So maybe he is racist.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: H And in cases like this in a city like that,
Speaker 8: urge on the side.
Speaker 2: Of caution the facts, that's one numbers true. They sneak
Speaker 2: car Lee out to see the cop. He want to
Speaker 2: tell him he's sorry.
Speaker 4: That was dumb.
Speaker 1: It was when it worked out, but it was stupid.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, he ain't say shit to him.
Speaker 8: He was like, but then you get up and he
Speaker 8: was like, yeah, man, you know I wasn't crazy when
Speaker 8: I did. I knew what I was doing, but I
Speaker 8: ain't mean to you mean to shoot too? Like he
Speaker 8: was like, my bad, But yeah, I wasn't insane.
Speaker 1: I was completely I was like, bro, you.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 2: But did you like how he told him during the
Speaker 2: trial when he told him, asking me, you think I
Speaker 2: should go to jail?
Speaker 3: I think I was smart.
Speaker 8: It worked, so yeah, I don't know if that was
Speaker 8: like part of the plan. I don't know if he
Speaker 8: intended to allow that to happen, because you know, they
Speaker 8: were friends. I think he and that guy were actual,
Speaker 8: real friends. I think he said he used to play
Speaker 8: together versus you know, the attorney. But I think because
Speaker 8: he knew that guy had a daughter that he would
Speaker 8: immediately connect to him, and because they were friends, I
Speaker 8: think that helped because to a certain degree, he didn't
Speaker 8: necessarily see colors. If they played together as kids, he
Speaker 8: as we saw him as just the person who the colony,
Speaker 8: the guy that got his knee shot off.
Speaker 2: Oh it said here hero, let him go, you let
Speaker 2: him free. He's a hero. Did you have something for that?
Speaker 7: I don't know if I had anything before the I
Speaker 7: feel like I did, but to ain't it's I don't
Speaker 7: think it's important. But nah, yeah, I liked him here,
Speaker 7: like like, yeah, I liked I like what he added
Speaker 7: to this part. It's like that that he got it,
Speaker 7: he got why he you know, he tried to de finished.
Speaker 7: You know, his daughter, he's like shit, if I had one,
Speaker 7: you know, I did the same.
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Speaker 2: Talk more about the courtroom, because that was the majority
Speaker 2: of the movie took place. I liked all the courtroom
Speaker 2: stuff like this made the movie for me. I thought
Speaker 2: all it was doing extremely well. I love the court procedural. Anyway,
Speaker 2: as far as the TV show, did the courtroom stuff
Speaker 2: work for y'all? Do y'all think that Matthew Baccatae was
Speaker 2: a good lawyer?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 5: I think all the courtroom scenes really work. They were
Speaker 5: They were tense.
Speaker 2: You know when the rioting outside that was fire on yeah,
Speaker 2: free call, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: That was That was a bit unbelievable.
Speaker 6: It was like, okay, you're having a trial where a
Speaker 6: negro killed a two black or two white men. During
Speaker 6: the trial, a KKK dude comes up and some other
Speaker 6: Negro on the roof threw a fucking molotop at him
Speaker 6: and killed him, and y'all just moved.
Speaker 5: Just kept going.
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a minute, please, right, this.
Speaker 6: Is there a part two before y'all talk about what
Speaker 6: that motherfucker did.
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny courtroom saying anything from court room right?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 7: I just thought about it I did think about another
Speaker 7: scene when they to their strong Sandra Bullock up and
Speaker 7: then the one guy took her down.
Speaker 4: Did they did they tap into that at all?
Speaker 1: Like why why he was.
Speaker 6: He was feeling guilty about being he remember he's the
Speaker 6: one that called the cops before.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, he was kind of acting hesitant when
Speaker 2: he was hanging up, hanging her up too.
Speaker 1: So these races by pure pressure.
Speaker 6: Or he was trying he was trying to leave. Maybe
Speaker 6: he had changed his mind. You know that happens. You know,
Speaker 6: people joined the Klan, they do a lot of fucked
Speaker 6: up ship and then they're like, well, I don't know
Speaker 6: why I did this.
Speaker 5: I want to get out, but the clans, like the
Speaker 5: fucking crips.
Speaker 7: You can't just leave blood and blood out, That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Like I forget that dude's name, but there was that
Speaker 7: black dude that was famous for going and talking to
Speaker 7: CLAM members and getting them to quit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 6: Think his his his role actually made a lot of
Speaker 6: sense and it helped the movie.
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 5: Can't even talks about the court room.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm I do kind of go back with
Speaker 8: Mike I was watching it and then he was on
Speaker 8: top of roof. He actually shot a National guard and
Speaker 8: nothing happened because the.
Speaker 1: Judge are like what the hell and like, yeah, bro, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, uh, but he shot a national guard.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because remember after the first big fight between the
Speaker 8: two parties, they brought the National Guardian or some type
Speaker 8: of military end to help out and.
Speaker 3: Keep her southerly.
Speaker 1: And then Keith for Selin was on the roof.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was keeper southernly. I thought you were
Speaker 6: saying the black dude killed the.
Speaker 8: Guy up, you know, because they weren't putting up with
Speaker 8: that mess. But now I think the court scenes were good.
Speaker 8: I think you know, the way they took out the
Speaker 8: prosecutors psychiatrists, it was dope. And then the way they
Speaker 8: took out the other guy that the defense had took
Speaker 8: him off the board too.
Speaker 5: That was slimey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, especially when you come to find out
Speaker 2: that it was his wife and she was seventeen years
Speaker 2: that was yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, but you know it worked, I could explain.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but he got the line of shit, you knew
Speaker 8: that ship, but it got a sponge, so.
Speaker 3: He didn't think nobody knew that yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: But these attorneys are good. And then you have which
Speaker 8: I think is a good like display of like how
Speaker 8: juries can come together, because he was like, that's the
Speaker 8: jury of my peers.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, it's a rap.
Speaker 8: But then they are defying judges orders, which the judge knew,
Speaker 8: and this one guy who's racist like.
Speaker 1: All right, well what we're gonna do. We're really gonna
Speaker 1: let this do walk.
Speaker 8: It's just interesting, like even when they were having some
Speaker 8: of the court discussions, you know, he was like, we're
Speaker 8: not trying the rape, We're trying the murder of two
Speaker 8: white people.
Speaker 1: And that was the thing that they kept going back to.
Speaker 8: What happened to her was completely just ignored and looked over,
Speaker 8: and they were really focused on what happened to the
Speaker 8: white people, the two white guys that did this horrific
Speaker 8: thing to this black woman, but that didn't even matter.
Speaker 8: All white people saw was a black peoper that killed
Speaker 8: two white people in cold blood and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did y'all blame his wife relocating?
Speaker 3: She needed to go, she had too because of the danger.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they were burning across in front of you are
Speaker 8: I'm surprised she took her that long ago. You know,
Speaker 8: I've seen one of the motherfuckers before. She is crazy,
Speaker 8: you know, burning across. So yeah, and these guys this
Speaker 8: was a very violent version of the Klan, and you know,
Speaker 8: this was some of the things that they did. And
Speaker 8: once you cross over, then, as they showed in the movie,
Speaker 8: you're a nigger lover, so you're no longer one of us,
Speaker 8: so not Yeah, all that shit don't matter.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're not a white person to me. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So they had to get out because they would have
Speaker 8: killed them. They already beat up, but they killed.
Speaker 6: But they moved along with that a little too quick
Speaker 6: for me too. For two and a half hour long move.
Speaker 6: They killed that woman's husband. She did, oh she didn't.
Speaker 4: She would changing a loution.
Speaker 1: She went to Lucier real quick.
Speaker 3: He said, you don't need no help.
Speaker 5: But she wasn't cheating with Lucia.
Speaker 1: She did.
Speaker 4: The course together before indication.
Speaker 2: She was cheated with you because she was because remember
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey and the other dude was sucking with her,
Speaker 2: and she was like that, I am a married woman,
Speaker 2: been married for upstanding southern woman of all my such
Speaker 2: and such.
Speaker 4: We don't know she was fucking on Lucian.
Speaker 1: We got when she asked him to walk into I
Speaker 1: take you to the car.
Speaker 6: I thought that was just a slight Matthew McConaughey, you
Speaker 6: don't need no help, Lucia.
Speaker 5: He definitely, yeah he did.
Speaker 1: That's why he sold it up.
Speaker 4: She was back, and but she's back on the market ship.
Speaker 1: That's all it took was the clan.
Speaker 6: They still just moved along with that, unless she was
Speaker 6: responsible for getting him killed, unless.
Speaker 4: That had nothing just because she worked there.
Speaker 8: That was was the one that did that Forrett. And
Speaker 8: she tried to tell I'm like, hey man, you're gonna
Speaker 8: get all of us killed. Like she said, Bud can't
Speaker 8: take another art, he can't take another stroke. That was
Speaker 8: the world like artist.
Speaker 5: I did not expect them to kill him.
Speaker 8: I do, I do one but but but Bud probably
Speaker 8: could have. Little Bud just didn't want to come back.
Speaker 6: I heard you was fucking loose. Go ahead, take me
Speaker 6: to Heaven. Take me, go ahead and take me to
Speaker 6: heave machines.
Speaker 1: I'm doing.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we had that, they had the family. Max came back.
Speaker 2: Everybody's trying to convince Matthew E. Connore, man get this ship.
Speaker 2: Up the na A c P can take you. Actually,
Speaker 2: what y'all think about the na A CP in The Preacher?
Speaker 1: That was crazy.
Speaker 6: That scene was crazy and it seemed very realistic. It
Speaker 6: seemed like and I like how Sam Jackson played him.
Speaker 6: He's like, I can give me all that money and
Speaker 6: if you don't, I'm gonna tell everybody.
Speaker 5: You are fraud.
Speaker 1: This ain't all of them, but just someone that should
Speaker 1: I be talking about too. Yeah, you know that's yeah.
Speaker 4: But then it did feel like al sharp, like, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Black do Every Preacher was on the front lines every
Speaker 2: time out to the free call.
Speaker 1: You know what good thing is?
Speaker 8: He never left though, and maybe because he was like, man,
Speaker 8: if I if I'm not on the if I'm not
Speaker 8: out here, but you know, he still was there. But
Speaker 8: you know, you think about like, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 8: unfortunate to see that, and you hope that in most.
Speaker 1: Instances that doesn't happen.
Speaker 8: Like these guys don't have money to afford lawyers. So
Speaker 8: and his wife was starving and they're going to the
Speaker 8: church they opened. They give them a seat and they're
Speaker 8: not even thinking about right, which is part of what
Speaker 8: they're there to do and help it wasn't until the
Speaker 8: NAACP came by and was like, hey man, you know
Speaker 8: we're taking a good donation two thousand dollars and you're
Speaker 8: not giving any of that to the wife administration fees, right,
Speaker 8: and the way he started saying that, I was like,
Speaker 8: you know, it's like you know, and then you know
Speaker 8: you have the white lawyer.
Speaker 1: Rhiner was there and his crew.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I think they showed like very you know,
Speaker 8: instances of how that stuff happens and how these you know,
Speaker 8: sort of enterities can get corrupted by money. Talking about
Speaker 8: seven thousand dollars. I mean the timing was perfect because
Speaker 8: he was out of money. The wife and kids didn't
Speaker 8: have any money. She was He was like, oh, I
Speaker 8: can help you. Don't worry about I got you, like,
Speaker 8: you're gonna help me.
Speaker 5: You in Chail, I'm gonna figure something, baby, And he did.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: That was good?
Speaker 4: I came through right.
Speaker 1: Look at God. You know.
Speaker 2: I'll close us out with the two best scenes I
Speaker 2: feel like in the movie, the first one being Matthew
Speaker 2: McConaughey feeling and he thinks they're gonna lose.
Speaker 3: He wanted to take a plead.
Speaker 2: He go talk to call league and call league give
Speaker 2: him some straightening, and he said.
Speaker 3: Man, nigga, you're not my friend.
Speaker 2: You the enemy, and the only reason that I hired
Speaker 2: you is because you the enemy. I thought this was
Speaker 2: a great scene. Good actor by Samuel Jackson, great message
Speaker 2: from character to character. You didn't think the acting was good, Mike,
Speaker 2: Great message from character to character. What didn't you like
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 1: Mike?
Speaker 6: I'm not a fan of sam Jackson like that, not
Speaker 6: in dramatic roles. He can be fucking nick fury, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. He can do comedy type shits,
Speaker 6: but I'm not a fan of him when he's like.
Speaker 5: Doing a deep role. No, because he just he just
Speaker 5: sounded like a country fucking what.
Speaker 7: I'm saying that I didn't get any depth from it,
Speaker 7: Like I feel like if this was a different actor,
Speaker 7: I probably would have been.
Speaker 4: A little bit more like the Zel No. That's funny,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 5: Who I would have.
Speaker 2: I think the depth came from, Not to speak for you,
Speaker 2: my perception of it was they thought Carley was just dummy.
Speaker 2: It's just dumb black country as dude with all these
Speaker 2: kids and going to Matthew McConaughey's character earlier, you think
Speaker 2: that he had some type of fondness or like he's
Speaker 2: looking at him with like with Matthew kind of say
Speaker 2: so with friends. I know you called I love the
Speaker 2: depth in the scene of him like I don't fuck
Speaker 2: with you, Like I don't fuck with you at all,
Speaker 2: and I want you to really understand that and go
Speaker 2: use that to get me off of this fucking charge.
Speaker 3: That's where I thought.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but he checked him early in the movie when
Speaker 8: he was like, hey man, yeah, ship were making a
Speaker 8: good team bro, right, So he checked him early. So
Speaker 8: Bragance was under this sort of this this misconception that
Speaker 8: they were, you know, homies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he had he had worked with them before
Speaker 5: for his brother, right, first brother.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, where was his brother should I don't know,
Speaker 8: he's probably one of them negroes. Good question, but but yeah,
Speaker 8: so that's what it was. But that was a transactional relationship,
Speaker 8: and you know, and so he called him out of
Speaker 8: all this to like our daughters don't play together, like
Speaker 8: none of that shit happens.
Speaker 3: I ain't never even seen you on my part of time.
Speaker 8: Right, And then that's what but Roy arc rourke called
Speaker 8: him out too. It's like, it's because you come to
Speaker 8: this place and in the black side of town and
Speaker 8: eat from the restaurant, don't make you like a real
Speaker 8: ally to them. You know, you're just like putting on
Speaker 8: this sort of invisible black face by coming here, you know,
Speaker 8: And that's what it is.
Speaker 1: So I think I forgot. I completely forgot.
Speaker 8: About the way this scene was written and the dialogue
Speaker 8: in it, and I thought it was really really good.
Speaker 8: It's one of the conversations and things that we talk
Speaker 8: about when you know, like the sort of finding ways
Speaker 8: to end racism is that it has to come from
Speaker 8: other white people and that's the only way they can connect.
Speaker 8: And he was like, the only way you can understand
Speaker 8: is because you are one of them. And you have
Speaker 8: white people that seem to not understand that they are
Speaker 8: part of the system, integrated into the system, whether they
Speaker 8: want to admit it or not. And just because you
Speaker 8: go to a restaurant doesn't mean that you know, you're
Speaker 8: not part of it, especially when he's a differ for
Speaker 8: type of liberal, which happens then other liberals. So so yeah,
Speaker 8: so now this this, this was good.
Speaker 1: Now he ain't like it. He ain't like to be
Speaker 1: told that ship Rod. He was like, you're a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Use your bad guy powers to get me off of this.
Speaker 2: Did you like to sing?
Speaker 1: Right? I did.
Speaker 7: I thought it was an interesting perspective. I wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 7: I wasn't expecting him to tell him that, Like I don't,
Speaker 7: we're not we're not friends.
Speaker 4: So but I feel like he took it on the chain.
Speaker 4: I feel like he accepted.
Speaker 5: That he did.
Speaker 6: He was a little offended because he made that little
Speaker 6: smart ass comment later, yeah, shout and slapped him for that.
Speaker 7: What was the smart comedy man when he was like, oh,
Speaker 7: remember I'm the enemy and then like walked off. Shut
Speaker 7: the fuck up.
Speaker 4: You know what I meant. We're not doing this for free,
Speaker 4: shut up exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were my friend, it will be pro bono.
Speaker 8: But I think also right to your point, that really
Speaker 8: resonated with him because it allowed him to kind of
Speaker 8: check himself and then coming back to like, why did
Speaker 8: he take this case?
Speaker 7: Not being fake about it? Just just just accept what
Speaker 7: it actually is. Yeah, and that's going to make you better.
Speaker 7: Job Like you up here being pretentious and being like
Speaker 7: I'm doing this for.
Speaker 8: It's pretty Yeah, he lost everything you almost lost your
Speaker 8: damn dog.
Speaker 1: Was Matts came.
Speaker 5: I was too, that was.
Speaker 4: Come on boy, come on man, come on boy.
Speaker 7: I thought, yeah, so that was real, So that that
Speaker 7: actually happened. Yeah, I really ran away and he came back.
Speaker 7: Yeah I thought he got bro I thought I thought
Speaker 7: he was gone.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait what I thought he was burned in
Speaker 4: the fire for real?
Speaker 1: I don't know. He came back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you thought you was dreaming.
Speaker 5: No, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4: That really happened.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like like, yeah, I was surprised when Mats came back.
Speaker 7: I was surprised when Max came back.
Speaker 4: He thought it was a dream. Yeah, it was a dream,
Speaker 4: he thought, because one of the other dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: If he went up there trying to royal or he
Speaker 8: could have been there that he could have the house,
Speaker 8: he should.
Speaker 5: Have went ahead and fun. That was my biggest issue.
Speaker 1: What she was. She was scumming. She was trying to
Speaker 1: sleep with that man.
Speaker 4: No, he was ready and soul wish.
Speaker 1: She saw that. She was like, I gotta give me
Speaker 1: some of this.
Speaker 4: She was like, you want to kiss me? Right? He said, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was cold.
Speaker 7: He was just like it was after she was beat up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to catch her either. But before that,
Speaker 4: I'm sucking.
Speaker 1: You want me to stay? He was like, yeah, I do,
Speaker 1: but that's why he should go.
Speaker 4: He look, but he had the blockers up.
Speaker 1: He was trying, she was trying. He was.
Speaker 5: He should have went ahead and hit.
Speaker 4: He was like, his wife was cute.
Speaker 8: Love his wife, and his wife back. That was actually joud. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: his wife came back. But this was after the conversation,
Speaker 8: and that's when he realized and she realized.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, wait a minute.
Speaker 8: You took this bit because you envisioned what this would
Speaker 8: be like if this was our daughter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a good moment. Yeah, that was a really,
Speaker 5: really good moment.
Speaker 2: Which led us to the closing arguments. I think the
Speaker 2: car league scene in that moment leading to his closing
Speaker 2: argument of walking them, having him close their eyes, walking
Speaker 2: them through all of these events being super descriptive, and
Speaker 2: then the legendary line they'll imagine if she was white.
Speaker 4: That that was the line. And then when he said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I wish that, you know, I hope they burn in hell.
Speaker 1: That one, and that I just lost the case to it.
Speaker 1: I love that though.
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I heard that, I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: it was cold.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing I knew from this movie. Yes,
Speaker 5: they deserve to die.
Speaker 4: I hope they burn it out.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he was talking about, class I
Speaker 5: was I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Sam. Did you like to close
Speaker 3: the statement?
Speaker 1: Mic?
Speaker 5: It was long. I didn't know they could do closing
Speaker 5: statements they are that long.
Speaker 4: But it was good. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was a good idea for him to I'm torn
Speaker 6: by the meaning, like because the whole like, imagine if
Speaker 6: they were white. I get it, Like, you know, he
Speaker 6: knows that they can't humanize a black person, so they
Speaker 6: have to imagine that it was a white person. I
Speaker 6: just don't know if that would work for a racist
Speaker 6: ass jury because they just be like, Okay, imagine, close
Speaker 6: your eyes she's this and it was beat up.
Speaker 4: Now I imagine she was white, but she wasn't right.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, dude, she opened your eyes up, maste.
Speaker 6: I don't see a white girl. I see a nigglat.
Speaker 6: So I don't know how much I mean this. I
Speaker 6: know the scene was supposed to hit, and I'm sure
Speaker 6: it hit when it came out, but it was a
Speaker 6: good closing argument. I don't think it would have worked,
Speaker 6: especially that racist one when he was like the guy
Speaker 6: that was like all that nigga's dead. It wouldn't have
Speaker 6: worked on him at all.
Speaker 5: The the win it was wanting to take the the vote. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the one that was like, let's go ahead and get
Speaker 5: this through.
Speaker 1: That dead.
Speaker 6: I don't think he'd have changed his mind when they
Speaker 6: said imagine she why he would have been the one
Speaker 6: that was like, bro, but she's not.
Speaker 5: But we were supposed to believe that that swayed the
Speaker 5: whole jury.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah too, because it had to be.
Speaker 4: They had already said guilty.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just realized he was like little fucking shit.
Speaker 3: Goddamn it, he got everybody else.
Speaker 1: It's eleven. I'm not gonna be the one. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go home.
Speaker 6: They showed his face and like they zoomed it on
Speaker 6: his face, and I was like, that motherfucker not buying this.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. He barely moved his face.
Speaker 4: If they tried this, I did when you asked me
Speaker 4: about the court stuff.
Speaker 7: I did think it was funny that Kevin Space kept
Speaker 7: kept trying to keep it on.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Look, we ain't talking about I don't know nothing about it,
Speaker 4: about the murder. Why y'all keep bringing this up?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was good. That can't right with your main thing.
Speaker 2: He didn't you talk about that figuring up old ship
Speaker 2: thought the closing arguments.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 7: I thought it was strong, even even now because I
Speaker 7: forgot that he said that at the end. So when
Speaker 7: he said it, I was like, Okay, yeah, I can
Speaker 7: imagine it's really hitting back in there or whatever. So
Speaker 7: I thought it was cool, Like that's what he was
Speaker 7: really descripted. Oh okay, this was hard to hear. This
Speaker 7: was hard to hear. That's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 4: Like hearing like her wound was damaged for the rest
Speaker 4: of her life.
Speaker 7: And kid, I can't have kids, and yeah I'm sad man, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Unated on her was why is he being so descripted
Speaker 4: they were trying to make see it.
Speaker 7: I mean, like the writer like, I'm wondering if this
Speaker 7: was like based on a real case or something thing
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, got you I can imagine probably. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is when we get the details of everything
Speaker 8: that happen when it broke the branch, when it broke
Speaker 8: throwing the can flesh cut into the bone. Throwing off
Speaker 8: the bridge.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: I didn't know they did all that. Threw her ass
Speaker 6: off a bridge. Someone catcher.
Speaker 7: No, she landed in the water and was still able
Speaker 7: to swim her ass, Yeah, because.
Speaker 8: It probably wasn't It probably was almost like a Now
Speaker 8: it had to be.
Speaker 1: They had to have.
Speaker 8: Some water because I was thinking it's like a small
Speaker 8: ditch or something that people can walk through. But either
Speaker 8: way or maybe somebody saw it, I don't know, but nah.
Speaker 8: And you know, when you don't value black life and
Speaker 8: you know you're gonna walk like, yeah, you can do whatever,
Speaker 8: because you know in this town, yeah, they're all up
Speaker 8: in there. Twenty six percent of them are over there,
Speaker 8: and they're not going to send us to jail, you know,
Speaker 8: And where's the proof?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 8: Even to this day, this scene, still watching The Last
Speaker 8: Night still got me, Bro. I was like, dug it out, yeah,
Speaker 8: and dug it out, bro, because it's a very emotional scene.
Speaker 8: I think there was an elevation to it having read
Speaker 8: some of the stories that I read in that book,
Speaker 8: real instances of stuff happening like this and this fictional
Speaker 8: instant which you know, we all know that this stuff
Speaker 8: that they used to do and there's no justice and
Speaker 8: even now in our modern day society where we see
Speaker 8: a variation of this happening now, and.
Speaker 1: You know, him going back to.
Speaker 8: Connecting everything, back to what Sam said, what Carl said
Speaker 8: to Bragance, is that the only way you can connect
Speaker 8: is to connect the way you connected, and the way
Speaker 8: you connected was you imagined that that was your daughter.
Speaker 1: That's why you took the case. That's what your wife
Speaker 1: told you.
Speaker 8: That's the only way you're going to get them to
Speaker 8: understand and see what happened, you know, because they're still
Speaker 8: fit stating on the fact that a two.
Speaker 1: White men was shot, not why they were shot.
Speaker 8: And that's why Rod, you know, of course why he
Speaker 8: was like, nah, we can't talk about how we got here.
Speaker 8: Were just gotta talking about where we're at. And it was,
Speaker 8: it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was good. It was good.
Speaker 8: And I think it still hit for me to this day,
Speaker 8: you know, And and I loved him.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 8: He set it up nice, the palls where he just
Speaker 8: stopped and earybody just kind of looked up.
Speaker 1: Even the judge was like, ship, we got them.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: It was like god, dang, all right, fine, all right,
Speaker 9: and then carly Is announced The Innocent movie in to
Speaker 9: the crowd cheering.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Any final thoughts, What was.
Speaker 7: The whole point of the dude selling my mama voted
Speaker 7: for you? So I figured if a nigger was on.
Speaker 4: TV, it was m.
Speaker 8: I think also, like, they'll give you a vote even
Speaker 8: if they're racist.
Speaker 7: If it's that's what I'm saying, So that the point
Speaker 7: of that scene.
Speaker 2: I think it was because say, you wanted the good
Speaker 2: niggas because we know you from football, you played football,
Speaker 2: you're good like that.
Speaker 4: Was yeah, So that's that's like I said. I think
Speaker 4: that was good writing.
Speaker 7: Was there because you wonder like, how how does a
Speaker 7: black cop become a share for this football, racist ass town.
Speaker 8: Yeah, keeping Sutherland was trying to get out of there.
Speaker 8: I hated it with him, but it was like, hey, hey,
Speaker 8: we gotta talk. Was like, hey, you get your ass
Speaker 8: over there too.
Speaker 1: He gonna like he was shot.
Speaker 5: He was saying in the back like yeah, let's get him.
Speaker 1: Motherfuckers your ass over whatever? What you're doing?
Speaker 3: All right, y'all? That was our review for the anniversary.
Speaker 1: Well he went to play with the kids.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was I know, Rob probably teared up,
Speaker 6: and I didn't like cleaning white as over there.
Speaker 4: This was Corny's hell.
Speaker 7: Man, what hero, what he brings? It seems like some
Speaker 7: whole coddler, wholesome ship you would like.
Speaker 1: He don't know better because he went over there in
Speaker 1: the white shirt too.
Speaker 4: He never had ribs like black.
Speaker 1: He didn't know she's gonna be red with it and.
Speaker 3: They're gonna throw that peach collar in the trees.
Speaker 6: You know they are right in the raisins in it.
Speaker 4: But I had to thought about you. He he got
Speaker 4: invited to the cookout.
Speaker 11: I was like, y'all, this is where it came from,
Speaker 11: this movie, where that statement came from.
Speaker 5: Because but the thing is, he wasn't really invited.
Speaker 4: He was shut up. This is how that go That's
Speaker 4: not how that goes. I was just told about it.
Speaker 4: You know, I really want you to come.
Speaker 11: On your daughter, right, It's like, I really want you
Speaker 11: to What would happened we run If you showed up
Speaker 11: on my doorstep, I would get spray.
Speaker 8: He he's a nigger lover in that town for a lot.
Speaker 8: You might and hang out with him. Remember they were
Speaker 8: calling his daughter, and Nigga loves you every time he
Speaker 8: come home crying.
Speaker 5: The daughter was like, I don't even like him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got a little friend.
Speaker 6: That was cute, But that scene of Sam Jackson and
Speaker 6: Matthew McConaughey looking at each other was uncomfortably long.
Speaker 5: It felt like the diddy means or the.
Speaker 6: Dude staring yeah, because it kept going back and forth.
Speaker 7: I was like, all right, bro, we get it. Are
Speaker 7: you gonna say something? Sam Jackson, I've been in jail
Speaker 7: for a minute.
Speaker 5: Oh lord, oh man. That is the frame per second
Speaker 5: podcast and a ton.
Speaker 4: Of time to kill. Now there's a time to thrill out.