1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Everybody talking and rightfully so, about this these multiple arrests 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: that were announced yesterday by the FBI on high profile 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: basketball players relating to gambling. 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, arrested in connection with mafia organized rigged poker games. 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: So the biggest name of the group was Chauncey Billups. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: People will probably remember longtime Pacers fans. Chauncey Billups was 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: a part of those great Pistons teams that the Pacers 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: had their rivalry with in the two thousands. Chauncey Billups 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: is an NBA Hall of Famer. He is now He 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: is now the coach or was, or I guess still 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: is the coach of the Portland Trailblazers. And while a 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of the attention went to this rosier guy because 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: of his alleged involvement in what you might call point shaving, 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: which we'll touch on in a second, the Billups one 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: is more fascinating because he is alleged to have been 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: involved in some sort of poker scheme or he was 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: courdating with mafia organizations to rig poker games. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: Right, he's now they're calling him co Conspirator eight. So 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: that tells you how many people are. 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: Involved in It's a big deal, right yeah, and a 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: very lavish thing and Hammer and I got into this 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: with Nigel yesterday on Off the Rails. My question is this, 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: if you're Chauncey Billups, you're a Hall of famer. You've 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: made all sorts of money playing basketball. I think he 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: was on television for a while. He's now making all 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: sorts of money being the head coach of the NBA team. 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: You have this, of course, you know reputation. Why would 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: you do this? Do you need money that bad? Why 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: would you risk this? 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: Was he threatened in some way? 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Well, and somebody had no I mean somebody you had 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: to get involved in the thing. People just pick you 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: off the street and go hey, you're gonna do this 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: or else. There's no, that's not how it works, Casey. 35 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what the mafia in. 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: No, he's not a storefront merchant where they're bashing in 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: his windows if he doesn't pay the tribut tributary. He's 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: a hygh Pro Bowl, NBA Hall of Famer. They're just 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: picking people out of the crosd Somehow he had to 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: go down this path where he gets involved. I'm not 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: saying eventually that there wasn't maybe some level of threat 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: or blackmail, but at some point he had to get 43 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: into these people's orbits. 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So you've got Damon Jones, who's also 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: been named in both indictments, and Terry Rozier indicted separately 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: for insider sports betting activities. And now another name has 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: been linked to this FBI gambling probe and it's Lebron James. 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: They're saying that Damon Jones was using information because they 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: were friends, and so Damon Jones was selling his injury 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: status to friends. 51 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so we need to be very specific. No one 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: is accusing Lebron James of shaving points or do anything 53 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: unethical or illegal. What they're saying is this guy, Damon Jones, 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: who was involved with the Lakers, was getting information on 55 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Lebron James and whether he was going to play or 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: not and then letting his people know. Right now, the 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Rosier guy is fastening to me too, because he's been 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: around the league for a long time and made tens 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars. And so I come back to 60 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: because he's alleged to have like tipped his guys off. 61 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: Hey take the under on my you know, I'm just 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: making things up here. But take the under on my 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: point total tonight or my rebounds or whatever. And then 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: you come up a little lame or you know, feeling 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: a little bad, or there's an injury or whatever. Again, 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: you have all of this money and all this earning 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: potential still at your disposal. This is the guy still 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: in the league. You're throwing it away for a cut 69 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: of a fifty thousand dollars bet. Yeah, that doesn't make 70 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: any sense. 71 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: So Rick Carlisle, Indiana Pacers head coach and president of 72 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: the National Basketball Coaches Association, he called it a shocking day. 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: He said that he reached out to Billips but did 74 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: not get a response. 75 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably he's probably not talking to anyone, not 76 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: anybody Attornie. 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Pacers, by the way, they lost their 78 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: home opener one forty one to one th five, double overtime. 79 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: It was a great game against the defending champs. Of course, 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: who should have been defending champs should be the Pacers 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: at Halliburton not gotten hurt. That was a great game. 82 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: I think it showed it should show people that even 83 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: though Halliburton is not here, I think the Pacers will 84 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: be competitive this year. They're certainly not gonna win the 85 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: NBA Championship, but I think they are a playoff caliber team, 86 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: and they showed a lot of heart last night because 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: TJ McConnell is also out, and I think they showed 88 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: that they're gonna they're gonna fight hard and try to 89 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: be competitive. 90 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: Did you notice people were going back and reviewing old 91 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: NBA games to see, you know, oh, was this an 92 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: intentional flop? What's going on here? Well? 93 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: Remember the movie Blue Chips, which is of course the 94 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: movie even in the nineties starring Nick Nolty where he 95 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: it's basically based on Bobby Knight. Let's say that he's 96 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: supposed to be Bobby Knight, and there's all sorts of 97 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: famous basketball players in its Shaquille O'Neil, Anthony Hardaway, Matt Over, 98 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: who was a star in the IU team. There's a 99 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: such a famous coach as Knight is actually in the movie. 100 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: The whole premise of the movie is this guy always 101 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: plays above board. This coach won't been the rules, he 102 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: won't pay players, and then finally the game has kind 103 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: of passed him by to the point where he finally 104 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: gives in and lets these boosters pay these star freshmen 105 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: to come in and play for him, and it eats 106 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: at him to the point where I think, if a 107 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: movie's been around for thirty plus years, you can spoil 108 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: it for people. He finally just basically has a meltdown 109 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: and tells everybody what he did and said, you know, 110 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: I ruined my life. I did this to win, and 111 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm losing. Even though I'm winning, I'm losing. And it's 112 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: a really really good movie, all sorts of famous people 113 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: in it. But when it finally gets to him is 114 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: there's this player that he loves that's on his team, 115 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: and there's always been these allegations that in this game 116 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: he you know, he are in these various games that 117 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: he had shaved points and the kid said, no, it 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: never happened, and Nick Nolty stands up for him, and 119 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 1: finally the booster who buys all these new players, when 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Nick Nolty gets into it with him, he goes, I've 121 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: been buying your kids for years, and he tells him 122 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: about this kid, and he goes back and watches the 123 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: video and on the video, now it's obvious that this 124 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: kid was doing this right, but he never believed it 125 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: until he got hit right between the eyes and goes 126 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: back and looks at it. Look, they had to know. 127 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Once they legalized sports betting in any state in the 128 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: Union that wants it, and there's all this money flowing 129 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: into it that was not flowing in before, and you 130 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: can't just keep an eye on bizarre bets in Vegas 131 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: and there's all these apps. The stuff is gonna start happening, 132 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: and it's becoming more and more prevalent. They're catching more 133 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: and more people. It's just part of the thing. Now, 134 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Now, Eventually they're going to get 135 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: somebody big. Terry Rozier is not a big name in 136 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: the NBA. Chauncey Billups was involved in a poker scheme 137 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: as a retired player. Eventually, they're going to hit someone big, 138 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: and that will be when all hell breaks loose in 139 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: one of these sports. 140 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: When I think of the poker scheme with Chauncey Billups 141 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: in the Bond technology style glasses, you know, I just 142 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: keep thinking of this movie scene. 143 00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: Seventeen hit me. You have seventeen, sir, I like to 144 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: live dangerously four twenty one five, I'll stay I suggest 145 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: you hit sir. I also like to live dangerously as 146 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: you wish, sir. The other has twenty twenty beats your five. 147 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry.