1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: So a once prominent member of the Indianapolis City government 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: is apparently under grand jury investigation. Let's tell you what's 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: a legedly going on. It's the Kennel and Casey Show. 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm Rob case sees out today that Hatcher's in for Casey. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Before we get to that, is our YouTube still down? 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, nothing works around here, so I'm not surprised. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: I believe it is temporarily down, but producer keV is 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: dutifully working very very hard to get the stream back 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: up in short order. We had to reboot and reload 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: the streaming platform, so I'm we're doing our best. So 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: it's not your internet as usual, it's us and so 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: we'll let you know when that pops woke up. But 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: luckily there's many other ways to stream the program, and 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe those are actually working. 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: We don't know. It's the Kettle and Casey Show, and if. 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: You miss the stream, you can always catch the podcast 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: at loaditude WIBC dot com. Right, let's that stops working too, then, 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: who knows? Okay, So Thomas Carl Cook, you'll remember him. 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: He was the right hand man for many a year 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: for Indiapolis Mayor Joe Hoggs at the former chief of staff, 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: he was the deputy mayor, and last year, The Indianapolis Star, 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: in addition to mir Indie, did phenomenal reporting on alleged 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: inappropriate relationships that Thomas Carl Cook in his numerous years 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: in Joe hogg Set's orbit, had with women in city government, 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: and there was you know, you can read the reports 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: for themselves, but basically he pressured these women into relationships 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: or behaviors that they now claimed they weren't comfortable with. 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: They were people who were viewed as subordinates to Thomas 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Carl Cook. It appeared pretty clear ethan in the detailed 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: reporting by Mere Indian Indie Star, he used his position 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: as the gate keeper to Joe Hogg Set to get 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: women to do things they may not have wanted to 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: do who were under him, which is wholly inappropriate. Yes, 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: not only were they under him, but these were like interns, 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: very you know, low ranking staff members with which he could, 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, use pressure and leverage because of his position. 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: And possibly one of my favorite details that came out 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: in this story was how he would take these individuals 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: to a very very well known Democrat watering hole where 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot of these city workers go to hang out 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: after the job and there's a jukebox that was in 42 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: the room where you could connect to your smartphone, and 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like pick the next song that 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: was played, and he chose, God only knows for one 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: of these young women. 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: Look at what a clown. 47 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: What a putts, what a very corny cartoonish man. And 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: if anybody deserved to be a slee's ball, deserved to 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: be under grand jury investigation, it is absolutely Thomas Carl Cook. 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Okay, but wait, there's more. 51 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets really interesting because after 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: Cook left city government, he goes to a high profile 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: law firm in the city of Indianapolis. 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: With recommendation from the mayor. 55 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and it is based on the evidence that came 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: in the mere Indie reporting, the testimony of these witnesses, 57 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: text messages, recordings, et cetera. It appeared zero way Joe 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: hawks that could not have known what Thomas Carl Cook 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: was alleged to have done. And yeah, you're right, he 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: gives him this recommendation, gives him time to slither out 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: to this cushy Indianapolis law firm, and then according to 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: the Star and others, Cook then enters into another relationship 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: with a woman who remained in city government, and it 64 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: ended up something like eighty million dollars of contracts at 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: which this woman had some allegedly had some say over 66 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: ended up going to the clients of Thomas Carl Cook 67 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: after he went to this law firm. This would appear 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: to be a conflict of interest. There appears to be 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: lots of conflicts of interest going on across the state 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: at multiple levels from both parties. 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: Well. 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: So now enter into yesterday's reporting from The Indie Star 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: Haley Colombo and friend of the show Tony Cook, Ryan 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Murphy doing the reporting in which they are now claiming 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: that a Marion County grand jury is investigating just that 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: the relationships that Thomas Carl Cook had with these women, 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: the pressuring of these women, the reporting that The Star 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: and Mere Indy had done, as well as this relationship 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: he had with this woman in city government who was 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: helping to dole out contracts to Thomas Carl Cook's clients. 81 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: So multiple things appear to be under grand jury investigation 82 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: in Marion County related to the former Deputy Mayor and 83 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: chief of staff for Joehawks At Thomas Carl Cook. 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 85 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: And I think part of the reason why these people, 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: repeatedly from both parties often engage in these apparently very 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: corrupt activities is because extremely rarely is there any accountability 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: for it. 89 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you said it yourself. 90 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: After having allegedly engaged in these activities, he got a 91 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: very cushy recommendation at a prominent law firm here in 92 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: the city of Indianapolis, So there was no accountability ultimately. 93 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: Now, what's fascinating. 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: About this, And you can correct me if I'm wrong. 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: This is Marion County. The prosecutor is Ryan Meres. 96 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: Correct. 97 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Marion County is the same county that is looking into 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: the actions of Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith where the grand 99 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: jury had convened. 100 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: That came out as well, I believe so. 101 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: And the Beckwith camp had claimed, well, the grand jury 102 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: investigation into my office, which is related to the AI 103 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: porn allegedly being viewed and shared in his office in 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: addition to the ghost employment. They had said, well, that's 105 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: just a political witch hunt done by radical left prosecutor. 106 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: There's no there there. They're just out to get me. Well, 107 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. But Thomas Carl Cook is 108 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: neither conservative nor Republican. 109 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: That would be right. 110 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: In fact, he's very very much a Democrat operative the 111 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: right hand man of the sitting currently elected Democrat mayor 112 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: of Indianapolis, or was until his dismissal. So the Marion 113 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: County prosecutor is looking into not only a quote unquote 114 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: conservative Republican but also a liberal Democrat. 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yes? Isn't that supposed to be how 116 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 2: the law operates? Yes, this is the yes. 117 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: So my point is we're done with Ryan Meres being 118 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: on some political witch hunt to get a conservative politician. 119 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: He's looking into the stuff on Beckwith the same way 120 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: he's looking into the stuff on Cook, because there have 121 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: been detailed reports about things that are alleged to have happened, 122 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: and they want to get to the bottom of it, 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: and ultimately, with both Cook and Beckwith, they may determine 124 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: no crimes took place that very well could have happened. 125 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: But the idea that you're acting like in the Beckwith campus, 126 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: acting like he's some sort of targeted victim or of 127 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: a political witch hunt, We're now done with that because 128 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: he's doing the same thing with a liberal Democrat. Well, 129 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm Glad Meares has gotten off his stuff and done 130 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: something in the city of Indianapolis, because we know he 131 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: usually chooses not to prosecute the many violent criminals running 132 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: around the county. All Right, it's Kittle Casey showing rob 133 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: Ethans in for Casey today speaking of the AI porn 134 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: the guy whose wife was alleged to have been the 135 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: victim of AI porn. So, just to reset on this, 136 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: a senior staffer, Aaron Sherid in his her name, she 137 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: came on this program told the story in great details. 138 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: She's also told the story to the authorities. Alleged that 139 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: multiple members of Micah Beckwitz's staff were viewing and sharing 140 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence pornography in the Lieutenant Governor's office, and the 141 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: video in question was of the wife of State Representative 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: Craig Haggard, who is a Republican from Mooresville. 143 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: Well, Haggard apparently. 144 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: Feels strongly enough about it and what took place that 145 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: he is now, according to The Indie Star, sponsoring a 146 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: bill along with Marine Bauer, who is a Democrat who 147 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: also had AI pornography created and shared of her, that 148 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: would enhance the penalties of artificial intelligence pornography. 149 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: In the state of Indiana. 150 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: Yes, they are seeking to make this both a Class 151 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: A misdemeanor for first offenses and a level six felony 152 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: for repeat offenders for possessing these AI pornography images of 153 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: individual persons having sex or exposing their naked body. Now, 154 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: it's already a misdemeanor Indiana, this would enhance the penalties 155 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: for it. You and I got into a discussion about 156 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: this though, that one of the challenges they're going to 157 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: have with this is what actually constitutes artificial intelligence pornography. 158 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: And as long as the Internet has been around, there 159 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: have been these, you know, clearly altered images of celebrities 160 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: era or whatever. Are we going after those people too? Like, 161 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: who are we going after? What is the crime? And 162 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're doing wrong by going after this 163 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: for people who are you know, clearly being targeted because 164 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: we're not talking about miners, We're not talking about things 165 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: like that, We're talking about adults happening too. They're really 166 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: gonna have to work through this because this is a 167 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: new frontier and just like everything else with the Internet, 168 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: the politicians have always been behind the curve as it 169 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: relates to trying to regulate and oversee the Internet. I 170 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: think when when you're talking about private citizens and individuals, obviously, 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: especially when used for purposes of extortion or humiliation, et cetera. 172 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: And absolutely when it. 173 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Concerns minors of any variety, public or otherwise, that that's 174 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: completely unacceptable. But when it comes to these public figures, celebrities, 175 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, people have been making altered images and celebrity 176 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: porns since the invention of pornography, and just for purposes 177 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: of enforcement, you would be turning quite a few people 178 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana into felons overnight if this 179 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: were to be unilaterally enforced. 180 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. Heathan's in for Casey. 181 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: When we come back, the View broads Admit Madua was 182 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: an illegitimate president. Admit he was awful, but they are 183 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: up in arms on how he was removed. We will 184 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: play that audio next. Kennel and Casey show ninety three WIBC. 185 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: The Women of the View. You can always count on them. 186 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: For some irrational, highly entertaining commentary. It's Kettel and Casey 187 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: showing Rob Casey's out. 188 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: Yes, are YouTube is still broke? Just like everything else? No, No, 189 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: it's back. Oh, it's back. It's back. 190 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I just told you it's back. Well I wasn't listening. 191 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: I was getting ready to do this segment. Is it 192 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: finally back? You can now watch the program? 193 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 194 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: Oh good, Well I went down and got our boss 195 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: for no reason. I'm sure pleased to come down here. 196 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: It'll be working. It's kettling Casey. So you can't watch it. 197 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: You just put Kennel and Casey into the search bar. 198 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: Kevin is back today, by the way, and we've just 199 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: totally ruined his day telling him to get on that. 200 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: So good job by Kevin. Okay, So I stay back 201 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: and he's got to put out all the fires here 202 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: at the station. 203 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: This is a giant fire and it's like, just imagine 204 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: if there was like some seven alarm fire and they 205 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: were like, here's your fire extinguisher. 206 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: Good luck that it's a mini fire extinguisher. It's like 207 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: travel size. You could put it backpack. Okay. 208 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: So the women of the view, they're always fascinating, right, 209 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: soa cackling hens. 210 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we talked about this yesterday. 211 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: One of the things that's fascinating to me is how 212 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: the left is trying to do this tightrope walking balancing 213 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: act on Maduro because their guy Biden just last year, 214 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: two years ago, as last year of his presidency, put 215 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: a bounty of up the bounty that was on Madurea 216 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: to twenty five million dollars. And logically, you would say, 217 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: if there's a bounty for some guy to be captured, 218 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: that means somebody would have to go in there. 219 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: I guess by the left. 220 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: Standers now quote unquote illegally and kidnapped the guy and 221 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: bring him to America. Like, how would you expect to 222 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: collect the bounty unless you went in there and captured 223 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, let's let's pause and think about 224 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: who you're referring to here, Rob Joe. Biden is not 225 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: expected to operate in a logical manner. I mean, he 226 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: barely knew what day of the week it was from 227 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: day to day. I think that's the point though, is 228 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: for once Biden was operating in a logical manner. 229 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: We want this guy. 230 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: He's a narco terrace, he's funneling drugs into this country. 231 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Were willing to pay you to get him. And even 232 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: when they get it right, the Left can't send. By 233 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: the way, can somebody point me to a video of 234 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: the View or any of these other leftist commentators or 235 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: politicians having an aneurysm over the bounty being upped by 236 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: Biden to twenty five million dollars to entice somebody to 237 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: bring this guy to our country. 238 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: Or where were they when Momar Gaddafi was deposed in 239 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: the Obama administration. Yes, very good, and boy, what. 240 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: A horrible demise he had. 241 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: If you'd like. 242 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: To, if you're no adult nature, you want to see 243 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: the worst possible way to go. I believe there's videos 244 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: out there of the end for Gaddafi. But anyway, here 245 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: are the women of the View, and in this clip 246 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: you'll hear they admit, oh, Maduro, he was totally illegitimate 247 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: president and. 248 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: He was awful. But they're screaming mad about how he 249 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: was removed. 250 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: Yes, we can all agree Maduro was an illegitimate president 251 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: who did horrible things in that country and was rupt. 252 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: The way he was removed from. 253 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 4: That country matters. We are supposed to be a nation 254 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 4: of laws. The way we do that ship was again 255 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: international laws against the United States. 256 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: Guys, we've done this for two many years. 257 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 4: Gadafi doesn't make it right, I know, but let's just. 258 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: Be consistent with other administrations that under just as tenuous 259 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: of authority have taken out We all agree that without 260 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: a good plan in place, it goes disastrously. 261 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 4: I am not pros. 262 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: Weaker than we are one at a time, ladies that. 263 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 4: We can overpower. It's not China, it's not Russia. 264 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: It's not we're taking out Vladimir believe. 265 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, he was totally illegitimate. He was really bad. 266 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: But this isn't right. 267 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: This is where we're at, and it comes back to 268 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of how we started the week talking about this 269 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: whole thing where you just can't have any sort of 270 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: measured approach anymore to anything and and other than John Fetterman. 271 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: The Democrats just simply can't go, Hey, we supported a 272 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: bounty on this guy. Our president wanted a bounty on 273 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: this guy. Multiple presidents have had this thing in place, 274 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: and we went and got him. I guess good. You 275 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: just can't have that because Trump did it. I think 276 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: one of those ladies was absolutely right though, when she 277 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: brought up the fact that without a plan going forward, 278 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: nation building has historically not necessarily worked out well in 279 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: the United States interests or for these various countries where 280 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: we have intervened, and so it is very rational to 281 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: question how this is going to turn out going forward. 282 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: But they're not doing it. They're mad that Trump did it. Right. 283 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: You know, if it had been Biden, there wouldn't be 284 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: that you're and you're totally valid as anybody else who says, hey, 285 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about what's next. We don't have a 286 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: great track record with that. You're one hundred percent valid, 287 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: and that's the discussion it should be having. 288 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: They're not that. 289 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: They're mad that if Biden did it, you wouldn't have 290 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: heard a peep about what comes next. 291 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: Trump bad. That's all you get out of them. 292 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of Trump, he of course is upset that he's 293 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: not getting the credit he deserves. And here is a 294 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: little audio of Trump lamenting that Democrats are refusing to 295 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: give him the credit. 296 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: You know, at some. 297 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 5: Point they should say, you know, you did a great job, 298 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 5: thank you, congratulations. 299 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be good? 300 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: I would say that if they did a good job. 301 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 5: Their philosophies are so different, but if they did a 302 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 5: good job, I'd be happy for the country. 303 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: They've been after this guy for years and years and years, 304 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: and you know, he's a violent guy. He gets up 305 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: there and he tries to imitate my dance a little bit. 306 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: But he's a violent guy and he's killed millions of people. 307 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: He's tortured. 308 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 5: They have a torture chamber in the middle of Caracas 309 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 5: that they're closing up. 310 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: But he's tortured people. 311 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 5: And now what they do, the radical left, they actually 312 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 5: have people, and it's hard to get them. 313 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: They will pay people. 314 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 5: Most of these people are paid. You know they're paid 315 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 5: when they have brand new, beautiful printed signs by like 316 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 5: the highest quality printer. And you have a woman, huh, 317 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 5: free Maduro And the sign is before we even did 318 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 5: the attack. 319 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: Free Maduro. Why do you want him free? 320 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 5: I don't know, but he should be free. 321 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: Oh she reads a sign. What does that say? 322 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 5: It says to him, Well, that's what I believe. 323 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: Kinkos is open twenty four hours a day, rob Donald 324 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: Trump is the most entertaining man alive, whether you like 325 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: his politics or not, he's brilliant. And by the way, 326 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: so we give your credit where credit is due. See 327 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: see how we do this. Kevin did a great job 328 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: fixing the YouTube so that people can now watch us 329 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: again on YouTube. He's probably been at it, just like 330 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: Trump said, for years and years and years, and he 331 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: finally fixed it. 332 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: See how easy that was. 333 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Kevin one of the hardest working producers in the building. 334 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not even a fan of Kevin. And see 335 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: I just gave him a lot of credit for fixing 336 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: the YouTube. See how easy that was. All right, let's 337 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: take a break when we come back. Data centers are 338 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: all the talk here, not just in Central Indiana, but 339 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: our across our state. Indianapolis has a complete dumpster fire 340 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: of an experience with data centers just last year with 341 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: this Google Google data center that was proposed in Franklin Township, 342 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: and of all people, Jesse Brown, socialist member of the 343 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: Indianapolis City County Council stepped up and said, hey, we 344 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: should probably try to avoid that again. Let's put some 345 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: basic parameters and safeguards around the process to ensure this 346 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: goes better the next time. And the City County Council 347 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: voted it down. Jesse Brown joins us next to discuss 348 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: Kennel A. Casey Show ninety three WIBC. 349 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of concern about data centers. 350 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: Kind of thought that the City of Vidiopolis had got 351 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: the memo. 352 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: But according to our next guest. Maybe not, it's kettle 353 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: a Casey show. 354 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Join in studio our old pal Jesse Brown, Member the 355 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: Indianapolis City County Council. Jesse Brown, Hello, good morning, Thanks 356 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: for having Okay, Now, people are very mad that you 357 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: and I are friends because you and I are like 358 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: the bizarro world people. 359 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: It's true. 360 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: You are the left version of what I am on 361 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: the right. And I say I like Jesse Brown because 362 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: he's honest and you're entertaining, and look, I think you 363 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: do things quite a bit that are far more in 364 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: touch with the people than the rank and file Democrats 365 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: and even the Republicans. 366 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, And this next topic is just that. 367 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: So obviously, there was this huge issue with data centers 368 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: with Google this past year in the City of Indianapolis. 369 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: It ultimately gets sort of tabled and pushed aside, and 370 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: you came out and said, Okay, why don't we pass 371 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: some common sense things to put some parameters around these 372 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: data centers, And the other night your fellow council member said. 373 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 6: Now we're not doing that. That's a pretty good summery. Yeah, 374 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 6: tells tell us about what you put forward. Sure, Well, 375 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 6: just a little bit more background of context. Yes, there 376 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 6: was the huge I mean they made national news the 377 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 6: Franklin Township data center. 378 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Michael A. 379 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 6: Heart did an admirable job kind of leading community resistance 380 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 6: against it. Bernie Sanders sweeted about it because it was 381 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 6: such a big populist issue, right left and right, I 382 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 6: think both agreed for once. 383 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that wasn't the only one. Right. 384 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 6: So we've got this metro blocks data center in Martin Dell, Brightwood, 385 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 6: We've got Decatur. I think you know, three hundred fift 386 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 6: people couldn't fit in the door the last time they 387 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 6: had a big public meeting about it. Pike Township has 388 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 6: another one. There was one week in mid November when 389 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 6: by my account, there were over eight hundred and fifty 390 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 6: different people in Indianapolis who were at some different anti 391 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 6: data center meeting or another. 392 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question real quick, because you've 393 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: obviously now gotten to learn about these and shit. And 394 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: I had a very high profile media person that called 395 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: me the other day and was asking, how do we 396 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: sell the data centers? And I said, you don't until 397 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: they're honest about what's going on. And so much both 398 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 1: at the state level with the IDC and at with 399 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: these the companies themselves. 400 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 6: Is people don't see the perceived value right, exactly right, 401 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 6: And I want to get to that in a second. 402 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 6: But yeah, let's just put up in on what I 403 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 6: was saying that because I want to hit that really hard. 404 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: At the end of the day. 405 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: As a city, county councilor my job is to represent 406 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 6: my constituents, right, And so I've talked to some of 407 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 6: my peers it's like, well, really, people are just misinformed 408 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 6: and they just don't understand data centers, and it's they're 409 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 6: just uneducated about this. I was like, Okay, first off, 410 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 6: I disagree, but let's say that's true. Let's say it's 411 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 6: just a bunch of Yogles who just have no idea 412 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 6: what they're talking about. We still work for them. We 413 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 6: don't work for Google, we don't work for Meta, we 414 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 6: don't work for Amazon. 415 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: Right, we are. 416 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 6: Supposed to be representing our constituents, and if they want 417 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 6: to hold out for a better explanation among the other benefits, 418 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 6: then that's part of what we should be demanding. 419 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit about Well, let's go 420 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: to this, because what value do the data centers bring 421 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: that you can see? Then I want to get to 422 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: your bill, because look, I told this media person the 423 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: other day about this. I said, look, I feel like 424 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: I understand local government better than ninety nine and a 425 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: half percent of the populace. And I've tried to study 426 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: this and I don't see it. Between the abatements, the 427 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: IDC giveaways, the lack of employees, Like, I don't see it. 428 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: Do you see it? 429 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 6: I don't, And I mean, let me just preach to 430 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 6: the bishop here for a sec because I know you 431 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 6: know this stuff better than I do. Even but any development, 432 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 6: the benefit to the local community is they pay more 433 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 6: tax dollars than what they take out, right, and so 434 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 6: data centers. You see these giant price tags, right, like 435 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 6: five hundred million dollars data center, and you think about 436 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 6: all the tax dollars that come with that, and it's like, well, 437 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 6: of course, no brainer. That's what my other counselors are seeing, right. 438 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 6: They don't want to lose out on those big quote 439 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 6: unquote investments into the community. I get that, but like 440 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 6: you said, they're having giant fifty year sales tax abatements 441 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 6: on the property they purchased inside then they're asking for 442 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 6: local property tax abatements. So at the end of the day, 443 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 6: we're almost paying them to build this giant. You are unpopular, 444 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 6: noisy thing in the middle of community. Why does nobody 445 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 6: see this though? 446 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Because to me it's basic math, right, Like, I mean, 447 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: when I was an elected person, you would always look 448 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: at and we did abatements. I'm not opposed to abatements, 449 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: but you can't throw in all these financial incentives and 450 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: cash giveaways. And like, are your colleagues, because we're seeing 451 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: this in Shelbyville going on now? 452 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: Right? 453 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Are these local government people just not capable of doing 454 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: math or reading or what's going on? 455 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: Well? 456 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at some really really rosy projections, 457 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 6: that can look really good. But I used to work 458 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 6: in big tech before I dropped out to be a 459 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 6: broke city councilor, and most of my former colleagues are saying, 460 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 6: you know, these AI Hyperscala data centers. It's a bubble, right, 461 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 6: So you look at the stock market, it's Nvidia investig 462 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 6: in itself, the Shell companies, and at some point the 463 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 6: bubble's going to burst. If we've given away the farm 464 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 6: to let them build, what turns into an empty box 465 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 6: where nothing's being generated. All the tax dollars go away 466 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 6: with it, and now we're sitting on something that's really 467 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 6: difficult to redevelop. 468 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: Jesse Brown from the Indianapolis City County Council is our guest. 469 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: We're talking about data centers. 470 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: So you came out and said, okay, we want to 471 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: avoid the Google debacle again. It's sort of like help me, 472 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: help you, right, if we set these parameters, we can 473 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: maybe cut some things off before they get so far 474 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: down and people get hard feelings. Tell us about the 475 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: bill you'd put forward. 476 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 6: Sure, So in November I said, hey, look at this point, 477 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 6: I want a total moratorium. I want to take a 478 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 6: one year pause button while we just figure out the 479 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 6: best policy to move forward Immediately. Some of my fellow 480 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 6: councilors said, whoa, that's way too far. We don't want 481 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 6: to do that, even though three counties and Indiana did 482 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 6: it before us. Sure, okay, so I'm nothing if not 483 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 6: a reasonable guy, and real. 484 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: Quick, every the local governments have the ability to do this, right, 485 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: three counties already have. So County could do it, Hamilton 486 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: County could do it. If the people are actually against 487 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: the data centers, they could. 488 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 6: Just stop it right now. That's right, I mean the 489 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 6: Statehouse could intervene. We know that they loved a pre 490 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 6: imp local rule, right but as of right now, that's 491 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 6: still possible. They've done it for solar farms, they could 492 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: do it for data centers, and they've started to. So 493 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 6: I said, let's start there. My peers pushed back. I 494 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 6: knew I'm one out of twenty five votes. I can't 495 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 6: just get something rammed through if I want, so I 496 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 6: decided to be they hate you, yes, yes, oh, yes, 497 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 6: no question. That's what I like you, because they hate you. 498 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 6: Not every single counselor, but many of them won't look 499 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 6: me in the eye, won't respond to my text. 500 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: It's me and girls at middle school. It seriously is. 501 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like it in a professional setting. 502 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 6: But so I decided to try to get a middle 503 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 6: of the road proposal. So what I asked for actually 504 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 6: for the December meeting, which President opposly refused to put 505 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 6: on the agenda, I missed an arbitrary deadline that he 506 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 6: had every ability to waive. He chose not to allow 507 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 6: it on the agenda. So it went up in January. 508 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 6: Something I wrote in November. All it was, it was 509 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 6: just basically a piece of paper, no real enforcement mechanism, 510 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 6: but it was a starting point for the conversation. And 511 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 6: what I said is ban NDA is at the very 512 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 6: least not disclosure agreements. 513 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: Right, because the thing that came out in the Google deal, 514 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, is they were like cutting 515 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: deals with the school system, right, but nobody could reveal 516 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: this because of these NDAs that they signed exactly which 517 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: and ridiculous because that's a public government entd. We have 518 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: the right to know what deals they're cutting with private developers. 519 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: Right. 520 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 6: Even Michael Paul Hart signed an NDA, otherwise he was 521 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 6: going to be cut out altogether from the process. 522 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: So for months he knew what was going on. 523 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 6: It was not allowed to tell his constituents who he's 524 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 6: supposed to be working for. So he brought up the 525 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 6: problems with that Google also came under a fake name, right, 526 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 6: They came under Deep Meadow Ventures so that people wouldn't 527 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 6: get to know that it was this giant billionaire tech company. 528 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: And this is so people need to know. This is 529 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: how the I E. 530 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: Anything IEDC operates is because this happened in Brownsburg where 531 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: I live. They give these code names and the governments 532 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: are passing all of this stuff and the public has 533 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: no idea who they are or what giveaways are happening. 534 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right that should not happen. If you're 535 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: going to come to a community, you walk through the 536 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: front door, if you're taking our money, we have the 537 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: right to know who you are exactly. 538 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 6: And the reason Google and the Googles of the world 539 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 6: don't want to do that is because it's like, oh, well, 540 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 6: they'll know our pockets are so deep, so they're demanding 541 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 6: more negotiations. 542 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: Like yes, and we should. 543 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: Right, if you're already successful, you can afford to pay 544 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more, right, right, Okay, Jesse Brown, our guest, 545 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: remember the Indianapal City County Council a couple minutes left 546 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: with him. We're talking about this Billy put forward which 547 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: was voted down, which would have put some guard rails, 548 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, on how data centers 549 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: are done. Okay, so you had the no India deal. 550 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: What else was a part of this? 551 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 6: We encourage people to use community benefit agreements, so that's 552 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 6: again those negotiations with the community. You know, that's kind 553 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 6: of what Google was trying to do, using little side 554 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: deals with township schools. We just wanted them to be 555 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 6: written in stone so that we can enforce them moving forward. 556 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 6: And so the community gets to participate in that negotiation, 557 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 6: and we ask for them to avoid using local property 558 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 6: tax abatements as well, so we can't unfortunately, I mean 559 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 6: I can't just say, hey, Joe Hoggs that you have 560 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 6: to stop doing this. So the administration does have some rights. 561 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 6: This would at least say we hear from our constituents, 562 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 6: we don't want property tax abatements for these given the 563 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 6: fifty year sales tax that the states already given them. 564 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: And I've said that this is and you're spotting with 565 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: these data centers. They need us more than we need them. 566 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: That's why they're getting any abatement whatsoever is beyond me. Look, 567 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: people get come at you for being a socialist, but 568 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: those all seem. 569 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: Very moderate, right, like middle of the road. 570 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: Like common sense things. Yeah, and your counselor said. 571 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 6: Ah right, I mean I could get into more socialists 572 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 6: ra ra rhetoric about it. 573 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, big tech is controlling. 574 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 6: Greater and greater portions of people's lives, and I think 575 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 6: we need to resist that and bring it back to 576 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 6: the people. And away from these corporate overlords, you know. 577 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 6: And I could go off all day, but I know 578 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 6: what show I'm on, right, So hey, look, you and 579 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 6: i've had this conversation before. 580 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: I think you and I feel the same way about 581 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: the corporations, which is I want people to make as 582 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: much money legal as they possibly can. But when we 583 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: stack the deck in favor of one group, one team, 584 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: or whatever, which we keep doing in this state, I'm 585 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: wholeheartedly against that. And so so it was thirteen to 586 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: eleven was the final vote, and the Republicans sank the thing. 587 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: That's right. That's crazy. So they're RepU, including Michael Paul Hart, 588 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: that's right. So they're all in on the data center. 589 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 6: You can't say I'm against the Data centre if they 590 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 6: voted against this stuff. 591 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was pretty shocked, you know. 592 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 6: Council Heart told me afterwards, he's like, well, the thing is, 593 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 6: I just can't support a total moratorium. And I looked 594 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 6: at him because the belly introduced said we don't want 595 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 6: a total moratorium, and so I was like, well, that's 596 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 6: exactly why I wrote it this way and not the 597 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 6: way I wanted to write it originally. Count Slory he's like, oh, 598 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 6: I guess maybe I misread it. You gonna run from 599 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 6: ayor I don't know. I mean still waiting on that 600 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 6: five million dollar track. So I mean, look, you. 601 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: Got to look at Mom Donnie, and look, I don't 602 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: think you're I've always I've always said you're you're a 603 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: less extreme socialist. 604 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: I think you're a little more lovable socialist. 605 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: But you got to look at guys like Mom Donnie 606 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: and go, hey, are people are sick of the crap, 607 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: and you know you're the most honest guy up there. 608 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: Maybe you got a shot. Hey, I mean, I think 609 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: I could do okay, but. 610 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 6: What I don't want to do is spoil the race 611 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 6: and let another Joe hawks that type get ends. 612 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Jesse Brown, thank you, my friend, Thank you. 613 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: It's Kennell Casey Show ninety three WIBC. 614 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: Tim Walls is a clown. John is in a basement mixing, 615 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: and he's an. 616 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: Entertaining one because it's like everybody's looking at him, going, 617 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: you're ridiculous, and he hasn't It hasn't occurred to him yet, 618 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: like people are looking at you not because you're interesting, 619 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: but because you're you're a train wreck. And he needs 620 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: to keep talking because that's great content for our show. Absolutely, 621 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: he said that he's stepping aside because he wants to 622 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: take accountability for his actions, but at the same time 623 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: he's not resigning to take accountability for his actions. 624 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: It's very confusing. Well, just to reset them. 625 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: Most people, you're highly, highly in tune and educated people 626 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: that are listening to this program. But just a reminder. 627 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: Tim Walls is the governor of Minnesota. He was there there, 628 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: candidate for Democrats, candidate for vice president, and now it 629 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: has come out, thanks not to anybody in the Trump 630 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: administration doing this, but to this conservative YouTuber guy, that 631 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: there was this billions of dollars of fraud related to 632 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: daycares in Minnesota and these Somali families, groups organizations that 633 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: were getting all this money and not providing the service 634 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: at least is the what appears to be very strong allegation, 635 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: and Walls and his administration has instead of owning it, 636 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: going look, I'm the governor, I'm the chief executive. We're 637 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: handing out this money that came down from the federal government. 638 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: He has blamed everybody but himself, and it is in 639 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: his administration, I mean, including putting it on this YouTuber. 640 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: Kid who was just the guy who exposed what was 641 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: going on. 642 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick Shirley, let's make sure to give him some 643 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: credit because he did a lot of good work there. 644 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: I think his his clip, his expos got more than 645 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: what was a forty two million views over on the 646 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: Twitter machine inside the first twenty four hours, one of 647 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: the most highly viewed, highly publicized pieces of content to 648 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: ever ever be published on the platform. 649 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so yesterday Walls. 650 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: Finally claimed to be mister accountability, but he does it 651 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: in the most ridiculous way imaginable. 652 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 7: Listen, the good news is on this is is that 653 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 7: I got no election to look forward to. I've been 654 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 7: in front of you. I'll call on who I want 655 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 7: to call on, and I'll watch what the press gets written, 656 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 7: and we'll make sure that in this state there's full 657 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 7: accountability for everybody. Because I buck stops with me. I'm 658 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 7: accountable for this, and because of that accountability, I'm not 659 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 7: running for office again. 660 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: You want to bet that nobody goes to jail over this? 661 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, look, the Trump administration has got 662 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: every incentive to try to put somebody in jail, But 663 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: how many times have we heard the big gusto from 664 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy and Cash Pattel and Bongino when. 665 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: He was there. 666 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: And then I believe Hillary Clinton is still not in prison. 667 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: That is correct, remember lock her up and that it 668 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: was ten years ago. We were going to lock her 669 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: up ten years ago. So we'll see. But the idea 670 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 1: that he's taking any accountability whatsoever is utterly ridiculous. Well, 671 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: you've got to think about the size of the fraud. 672 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: Nine billion dollars in the state of Minnesota is a 673 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: pretty small state as far as the state's in the 674 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: US go. It's smaller than Indiana. Nine billion dollars. That 675 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: had to be like, the majority of the funding that 676 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: was being funneled to the state, majority of the money 677 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: that was being spent was being spent. 678 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: Frauduly, fratilately. 679 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So here's more of Walls. And he's right back 680 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: after saying he's mister accountability. He's attacking the Republicans have 681 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: no control over anything in Minnesota. And here we go 682 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: Trump Trump Trump. 683 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 7: Their idea of improving this state is being a parrot 684 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 7: for Donald Trump, agreeing to everything that he agreed with. Well, 685 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 7: here's what I'm going to tell you, it ain't happening. 686 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 7: I'm not going anywhere, and you can make all your 687 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 7: requests for me to resign over my dead body will 688 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 7: that happen. I will fight this thing till the very 689 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 7: end to make this state better. And the question that 690 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 7: I think they need to decide is is when did 691 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 7: the guy in the White House resign? When does he 692 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 7: take account of building for what he gets, because it 693 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 7: isn't going to happen here in terms of us shying 694 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 7: away from making this. 695 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: But the problem with this is, and it's easy to 696 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: point out this guy because he's an idiot and he's ridiculous, 697 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: is over the top, But this stuff's going on everywhere. 698 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean to come back to the point of you 699 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: living in Indiana hearing this. First of all, it's your 700 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: tax money that's being wasted when it's being money sent 701 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: from the federal government. But one it shows you how 702 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: unaccountable the federal government is. That this stuff has been 703 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: going on for quite a long time, and it took, 704 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: as you said, the Nick Shirley guy to expose it 705 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: to the masses. And then there's this surprise, slash, fake 706 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: outrage from the Republicans in Washington who were the ones 707 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: sending the money to allow this to happen and clearly 708 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: with zero oversight. But then we come back to every 709 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: state in the Union. In Indiana, just look at the IDC, 710 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: the Indian Economic Development Corporation, in which hundreds of millions 711 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: of dollars and just that one article from the Indie Star, 712 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: which is probably scratched the service. Then you look at 713 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: the actual audit itself, that Braun Commission. Now he's doing 714 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: nothing with it, but showed hundreds of millions of dollars 715 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: was being delegated by people to companies that they were 716 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: either invested in or affiliated with. 717 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: You look at the medicaid. 718 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: They threw all these people in this state on medicaid 719 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: or able bodied people could have worked. Yeah, Minnesota's rotten 720 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: and people should be held accountable, but it's happening here too. 721 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: I think we're just scratching the service on what's going 722 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: on in all of these states. And this is why 723 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: we're thirty eight going out thirty nine trillion dollars in debt. Yes, 724 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: and I was about to mention exactly that, not that 725 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: fraud would be acceptable under any circumstance, but we don't 726 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: have the money to be spending on the fraud. We 727 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: are thirty eight trillion dollars in debt, and it is 728 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: imperative to connect this fraud in people's minds with making 729 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: their daily life a much less, much much worse every 730 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: day because the inflation, because the pressure is on the economy, 731 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: because of the incentivization that it gives to very dishonest 732 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: actors across the state. Uh, this is flatly unacceptable, and 733 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 1: yes it is happening in I would say probably every 734 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: state in the Union. At this point, all right, we're 735 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: gonna take a break when we come back. The Trump 736 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: administration has missed another Epstein deadline, and at this point 737 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: they really Ethan just appear to be just flat out 738 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: blowing off obligations on Epstein and essentially have entered the 739 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: part of the part of the phase where they're just saying, 740 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: now we're we're not doing that. We'll get into that. 741 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: We got The Atlantic having a big article on how 742 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is now the front runner for the Democrats 743 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be somewhere this evening where people can 744 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: actually come see me, and who would want to do that? 745 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: So we'll get it all that coming up next. 746 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: Kittle Casey Show thirty three sixt Time. 747 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: You use this thing. 748 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 4: Adas killed by the world's looking for news. 749 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 2: Watch of bot med