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Speaker 1: For oh my, oh my lord, the Jets are trading

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Speaker 1: sauce Gardener to the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner, sauce Gardener, sauce Gardner, He's an Indianapolis Colt.

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Speaker 3: We were shocked.

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Speaker 4: Got the opinions on sauce Gardener.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Wowow.

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Speaker 2: The Colts looking for help on the back end of

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Speaker 2: that secondary, to help lou Anaumo, so they go all

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Speaker 2: in and make the trade for sauce Gardener twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six first round pick, twenty twenty seven first round pick.

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Speaker 6: The Colts just determined our time is right now, Our

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Speaker 6: window is right now.

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Speaker 3: We just opened it up and sauce Gardener is on

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Speaker 3: his way. This is not the same old, same old.

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Speaker 6: This is different.

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Speaker 7: A team that has aspirations of winning the Super Bowl

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Speaker 7: epan next year or two, which I think they should.

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Speaker 8: The windows wide open.

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Speaker 6: It's just a massive, massive swing here by the Colts.

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Speaker 6: Collard Nephosis, stuff like this. This has the opportunity to

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Speaker 6: be the best secondary in football in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we turned around.

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Speaker 9: Guys.

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Speaker 4: We are back, baby, we are we are back.

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Speaker 3: Classic, we are bed we are bad.

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Speaker 8: I want you to put the word up to here

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Speaker 8: we back on.

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Speaker 9: I understand me.

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Speaker 8: There you go.

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Speaker 3: You were worried about whether or not you'd have good

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Speaker 3: things to write about yesterday Kevin Bowen and James Boyd,

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Speaker 3: and apparently you got a lot to write about yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Good job on the intro again, Mark Dyton, Good morning, everyone,

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the Fan Morning Show. I'm jeff Rickord and

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot to discuss today. Kevin, We'll start

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Speaker 3: with you. Sauce Gardner was never a name that I

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Speaker 3: even considered when looking through trade possibilities. When did it

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Speaker 3: first pop up on your radar when the news item broke?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he was definitely not I think one of

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Speaker 6: the big names rumored. It's certainly one of the biggest

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Speaker 6: trades in franchise history bar none. It is a sign

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Speaker 6: of what you think of Daniel Jones. It's a sign

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Speaker 6: of what you think of your twenty twenty five football team.

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Speaker 6: And you know now the expectations are February period. You

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Speaker 6: don't make this trade to stop at any other point

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Speaker 6: of the season. You make this trade to play in

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Speaker 6: the final game of the season. And it is a huge,

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Speaker 6: huge swing, and it's certainly something that is the most

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Speaker 6: unreally Chris like thing we've seen, particularly in season throughout

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Speaker 3: Jams are going to have you a drilled down on that,

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Speaker 3: because that was the first thing I thought too. My

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Speaker 3: first thought. I want to get your take on this.

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Speaker 3: The culture all in on Daniel Jones. They clearly think

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Speaker 3: they have a championship window. They think they've got a

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Speaker 3: quarterback worth investing two first round draft picks in from

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard to go shore up a defense to go

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Speaker 3: along with that offense. What was your first thought and

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Speaker 3: where do we go from here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: My first thought was, wow, I have to work a lot,

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Speaker 10: which was fine, and I think from there on a

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Speaker 10: more serious no, it had to be the reinforcement of

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Speaker 10: the Holy Trinity, so to speak. I think this move

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Speaker 10: solidifies the future a bit. This tells me that Carl ERSA. Gordon,

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Speaker 10: who I believe probably had some say in signing off

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Speaker 10: trust Daniel Jones. And so it's all but a formality

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Speaker 10: that Daniel Jones be brought back in some capacity after

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Speaker 10: the season, whether that's the franchise tag or an extension.

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Speaker 10: We will see before the present, like Kevin said, you

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Speaker 10: don't make this move to do anything other than playing

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Speaker 10: the last game of the year. And this is a

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Speaker 10: team that, by the way, hasn't been to the playoffs

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Speaker 10: since twenty twenty, hasn't won a playoff games in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 10: So you're trying to check a lot of boxes this year.

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Speaker 4: And I don't hate the move. I think that it's

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Speaker 4: an aggressive move.

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Speaker 10: Certainly a lot of risk involved in it, because I

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Speaker 10: feel like cornerback is a very volatile position. You can

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Speaker 10: be very good, you know, one year, and very not

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Speaker 10: till good the next year. But even looking at some

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Speaker 10: of the numbers that saws Gardener's put up this year,

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Speaker 10: I know he missed his last game with concussion, and

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Speaker 10: unless it's a very severe concussion, I believe he should

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Speaker 10: But even looking at some of the advanced numbers, he's

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Speaker 10: still been a pretty good cornerback the last couple of years.

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Speaker 10: On his first few years in the league, he was

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Speaker 10: do that since the NFL AFL merger in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 10: dropped off a little bit since then, but still a

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Speaker 10: very good player. And if you're thinking as a unit,

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Speaker 10: you'll get healthy with Tavera's Ward returning to the lineup. Then, man,

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Speaker 10: that gives you quite the trio cornerbacks with Ward, Gardner

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Speaker 4: Who was a pro bowler in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Well, this a big, huge move for the Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 3: and they are not going to be without a first

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Speaker 3: round pick for the next two drafts.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to work anyways. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: You guys will have a day off, but unless something

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Speaker 3: major happens rightly now and then, and Mark Dyketon, I

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Speaker 3: know you want me to get to it all addressed earlier.

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Speaker 3: No more a d Mitchell he also goes to as

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Speaker 3: part of this deal.

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Speaker 11: No, no, no, we still have to keep the draft,

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Speaker 3: At least still have more catches now because they have

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Speaker 3: no one other than that, huh, other than Wilson, they

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Speaker 3: got nothing left.

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Speaker 4: Do you know plays quarterback for the Jets.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you got to throw the ball to somebody.

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Speaker 3: Do you know, of course plays quarterack for this He's

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Speaker 3: gonna have for us for completions a game, Justine, mean,

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Speaker 3: do you know who plays quarterback with that Jet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? They have quarterbacks who can't throw.

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Speaker 3: My point is he's not on the Colts anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I ain't gonna lied Tojae.

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Speaker 3: He's on the Jets.

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Speaker 10: We've all had some takes that one as like milking

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Speaker 6: That's okay.

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Speaker 3: I still believe that Ady Mitchell is gonna be a

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Speaker 3: Kevin Bowen. As we now go forward, Sauce Gardner is

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Speaker 3: even going to play on Sunday. I know he's coming

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Speaker 3: off concussion. He's also got to get here. Then he's

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Speaker 3: But what do we know about that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I would hope as long as he gets

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Speaker 10: So let's get Milandy Low on the phone again. Make

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Speaker 6: No for that, So yeah, I think probably too. Should

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Speaker 6: you send a gift basket to Xavion Howard for retiring?

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Speaker 6: If Xavion Howard doesn't retire, does this move happen?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, yes, it all. Can you think it happens anyway?

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Speaker 4: Yes, because you cut him.

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Speaker 6: It all comes back to, well, I don't think they

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Speaker 4: Well, they should have been thinking about him.

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Speaker 6: Well, should have been thinking and going to cut him

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Speaker 6: two very different things in LouAnn Riumo's world here. So

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Speaker 6: I did think about that yesterday. But yeah, I would

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Speaker 6: all questions that we'll obviously see a play out here.

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Speaker 6: But you know, after the bye week, it's quite possible

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Speaker 6: when you make your trip to Kansas City, your cornerback

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Speaker 6: that checks kind of all of those boxes there. You know,

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Speaker 6: we'll have James College, Zach rosenblat. It covers the Jets

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Speaker 6: sound like and listening to Darren Amogi the Jets GM

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Speaker 6: point Jeff earlier, sauce Gardner was never really a name

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Speaker 6: But as the Colts continued to up the ante, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also crazy for the Jets. I think they

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Speaker 3: And where does that now rank the Indianapolis Colts in

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Speaker 3: the Bills. I have to think at this point in time,

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I saw, and I don't know if they've been updated,

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Speaker 6: Mark maybe taking a look. I saw they were sixth

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a very jumbled group in terms of odds.

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Speaker 6: It's not like it's an overwhelming favorite or so. But again,

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Speaker 6: you look at their defense, I don't know if there's

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Speaker 6: to take a closer look at that, but I can't

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Speaker 6: think of anything that has more investments into it. So,

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Speaker 6: you know, for this to be a good trade, you

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Speaker 6: I mean that your defense has got to climb to

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Speaker 6: be in the top five unit. You know, James laid

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Speaker 6: out a little bit earlier how sauce Gardner's career's gone.

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Speaker 6: He's got to get back to be in the definit

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Speaker 6: you need to make the Super Bowl. I think those

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Speaker 3: You are correct. The Indianpois cults are now plus one thousand,

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Speaker 10: Absolutely got to hit the ground, run in and you

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Speaker 10: But at the same time, as Kevin alluded to, you

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Speaker 10: you're going all in on this year. I make that

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Speaker 3: All right, coming up at a moment, we'll have to

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Speaker 3: check down. We'll talk about this all day long. We've

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Speaker 3: to your texts, your calls, yet your reactions as Colts

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Speaker 3: It's all straight ahead, and we'll tell you a little

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Speaker 3: next on ninety three, five and one. Well, I'm in

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Speaker 6: For all Kim numbers or James eighty catches for seven

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Speaker 3: Is that is that way out of the of the possibility,

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Speaker 3: because I think this guy is incredibly talented. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: about that's about five catches a game.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think you're getting five catches a game.

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Speaker 8: That's a lot. He'd be a number one receiver.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 12: No, you send Sauce Gardner to Indianapolis, Indiana first round

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Speaker 3: Send him to the Jets. I'm in on eighty emerging,

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Speaker 8: I'm in there.

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Speaker 6: Let's just say, if he has, you know, thirty five

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Speaker 3: A couple of tuths now, I think it'd be more

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Speaker 5: I'll own it.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind.

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Speaker 3: I still think he's an incredibly talented guy. He's incredibly

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Speaker 3: When he figures it out, he's going to be a

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Speaker 6: I'm picturing the scene from et ad Mitchell forwards the

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Speaker 3: One out for him.

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Speaker 4: He's in pouring something out for him.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, they traded ad for sauce gardeners around.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Mark, Let's get some reaction to Colts Nation over

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Speaker 3: the the trading of a d Mitchell for Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 3: Good to John, John, Good morning, and welcome in to

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Speaker 3: the Fan Morning Show. Give me your thoughts and first

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Speaker 13: First reaction trying not to laugh to that image of

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Speaker 13: you and the boy. But you know, Sauce has shown

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Speaker 13: He's going to be a good fit and lose offense,

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Speaker 13: and ultimately this is the next best thing after getting

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Speaker 13: of talk, especially national media, about what the Colts gave up.

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Speaker 13: I think in the case of any trade, you have

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Speaker 13: it's going to be in the twenties. What would you

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Speaker 13: eight or hopefully thirty two. Well, here's your guy. This

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Speaker 13: is a moment when you got to put all chips

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Speaker 13: you just have to be, you know, a bit shocked,

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Speaker 13: Big three have chosen to do. And you know, as fans,

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Speaker 13: we're very motivated. Let's let's show him what we got

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Speaker 13: Let's get after him, show him what we got. Thanks, guys, John,

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Speaker 13: can we get one more?

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Speaker 6: All chips in? I thought the first one was next one? Gosh,

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Speaker 6: I was really hoping we get chips. Was that Jim

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Speaker 4: You know, I can only do it Quinn?

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Speaker 10: Okay, I did go back and watch the video though,

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Speaker 10: use it in my story and period.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, see, I don't know if I could do that

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Speaker 6: That didn't really seem to play out to all chips

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Speaker 10: I mean it took a few years to get there,

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Speaker 3: We've got a text here from Elliott who wants to

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Speaker 3: know did Ballard get hit over the head? The Chris

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Speaker 3: Ballard I've been bashing the last few years has gotten

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Speaker 3: double down trade for Sauce Ballard. I am now off

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Speaker 3: your back. You put the Colts on the map yesterday

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Speaker 3: saying we are all in congratulations for making Colts fans

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Speaker 6: You know, I think certainly I would add two defensive philosophy.

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Speaker 6: It takes a lot, I think, when your positions of authority,

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what you've seen from Chris Poward

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Speaker 6: But you got Drake London this week, you got Rashid Rice.

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Speaker 6: And so you know your cornerback room getting to this life.

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Speaker 6: I think paramount that you try to address the area

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 6: I try to look at Ballat's ten years. Let's evaluate

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Speaker 6: each individual move by no means. I think Chris Baward

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Speaker 6: You know, even as great as Jonathan Taylor's been in

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Speaker 6: to me, one of the more elite positions that you

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Speaker 6: can take a swing for is something that makes it

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Speaker 6: makes a lot of sense. Even though the price tag

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Speaker 6: is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in

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Speaker 6: franchise history.

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Speaker 3: Two through nine, ten seventy number to call, let's go

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Speaker 3: to Matthew next on the Fan Morning Show, Matthew, let

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Speaker 3: it out, What do you got for me today?

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Speaker 14: Hey, good morning fellas. I don't have too much to

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Speaker 14: talk about today, to be honest with you, I do

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Speaker 14: work every weekend, so I don't get to see a

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Speaker 14: lot of the Colts games. I haven't called in a

447
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Speaker 14: few months, so I thought I would at least call

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Speaker 14: to acknowledge the Colts trade is definitely solid. I don't

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Speaker 14: want to give Balord a ton of credit for it.

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Speaker 14: I'd rather give credit to Carly. I think it was

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Speaker 14: more her hands than his.

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Speaker 8: Hmm.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. I appreciate the phone call. What about the people

454
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Speaker 3: James that are saying this is all Chris Ballard's thinking

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Speaker 3: all changed once THEERSA Girls took over.

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Speaker 4: That's a hard one answer. I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 10: I just think that they're a lot better than anybody

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Speaker 10: something to be So, I don't know if you know,

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Speaker 10: any owner is going to sign off on this move

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Speaker 10: if you're five and four versus being seven and two.

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Speaker 10: So I pushed back on that, I think, and I

462
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Speaker 10: think that would insinuate that Carl Air say Gordon is

463
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Speaker 10: like this super hands on owner where and I get

464
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Speaker 10: that she wears the headset, she's on the sideline, and

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Speaker 10: that kind of makes the headlines. But in reality, from

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Speaker 10: everything I understand about her ownership style and what I've

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Speaker 10: gleaned from people who work with her every day, it

468
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Speaker 10: seems like she's very much allowing people to do their

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Speaker 10: jobs and allowing them to do, you know, what they

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Speaker 10: have to to hopefully make this team better. Now, I'm

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Speaker 10: not saying she doesn't have a saying who you know

472
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Speaker 10: comes and who goes. Obviously their ownership group has to

473
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Speaker 10: pay the players you bring in, and saws Gardner is getting,

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Speaker 10: you know, a nice bag to come over to the Colts.

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Speaker 10: But no, I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you bring up the bag that Sauce Gardner has.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty friendly the first year or two, but it

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Speaker 3: starts to escalate. By the end of his contract, You're

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Speaker 3: looking at over thirty million dollars of salary. So it

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Speaker 3: really is let's see how these first couple of years

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Speaker 3: work out and then we'll go from there.

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Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, absolutely, And then I look at it, like,

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Speaker 10: what's the guaranteed money that's left on the deal? I

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Speaker 10: think it's forty And then when's you're out, meaning when

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Speaker 10: does the guaranteed money in and you know, after whatever season,

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Speaker 10: because honestly, if you're not a quarterback, you rarely ever

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Speaker 10: get all of the money anyway. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 10: this is a fairly team friendly deal. I would have

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Speaker 10: to go back and look at the specifics of it,

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Speaker 10: but from what I understand. You know, if you look

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Speaker 10: at the salary cap and the way that position group

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Speaker 10: is getting paid. I mean, sarros Gardner a few months

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Speaker 10: ago sign of the richest deal ever for a cornerback,

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Speaker 10: and then you know how it goes Kevin in a year,

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Speaker 10: that'll be the fifth highest paid cornerback in the leg.

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Speaker 10: And it looked very good, especially if Sauce is.

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Speaker 6: Able to return to an all pro form James big picture,

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Speaker 6: yesterday's move says what to you? And let me throw

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Speaker 6: a couple of Oh okay, Chris Bout and Chane Stiking.

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Speaker 6: I guess we want to tie them at the hip.

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Speaker 6: Let's just talk to Ballard because he's a longer term guy.

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Speaker 6: He's going nowhere. Now, you're here to stay, brother. We'll

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Speaker 6: see about the extension he is, I believe through twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty six. We'll see how that plays out Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 6: Oh you're.

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Speaker 4: Here, brothers.

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Speaker 10: It's either a franchise tag or an extension and Sam

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Speaker 10: with Alec Pierce. Yes, I mean because you drafted in

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Speaker 10: theory in the past. You drafted Ady Mitchell with the

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Speaker 10: idea that he would morph into a number two type

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Speaker 10: of receiver, possibly number one, and he hasn't amount to

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Speaker 10: any of that.

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Speaker 4: He isn't even close to that.

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Speaker 10: So with Alex having the year that he's having, yeah,

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Speaker 10: I definitely than he's somebody you got.

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Speaker 6: To pay anything else I missed.

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Speaker 10: I guess my question that I've been wrestling with is

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Speaker 10: what would be a successful season now? Meaning is this

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Speaker 10: we have to get to the Super Bowl or it

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Speaker 10: was all a waste? Or in my mind, I'm like,

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Speaker 10: is the AFC Championship Game enough for you to say

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Speaker 10: this was worth it and we're building something here and

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Speaker 10: we are close to breaking through.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question. I definitely wrestle with the

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Speaker 6: same thing last night as well, And I've kind of

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Speaker 6: come back to these three things in defining the success

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Speaker 6: of this trade. One Sauce Gardner getting back to be

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Speaker 6: an all pro. I don't want to act like he's

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Speaker 6: been a bad corner by any means here over the

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Speaker 6: last couple of years. But you are sending a message

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Speaker 6: by sending two first round picks for him that you

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Speaker 6: think you are one of the best players period at

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Speaker 6: your position. So that's for Gardner individually as a defensive unit.

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Speaker 6: As a whole, you got to have a top five defense.

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Speaker 6: I'll go back to what I said earlier in the show.

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Speaker 6: I would argue there's not another defense in the NFL

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Speaker 6: that has more first, second, third round picks, either where

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Speaker 6: they were drafted or how they were required. Then the

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Speaker 6: Colts plus all the contractual money involved in that unit.

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Speaker 6: And lastly, I don't know if you necessarily say, James

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Speaker 6: like super Bowl or bust this year, but at some

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Speaker 6: point here and however, you wanted to find this window

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Speaker 6: two to three years. I don't know what you know

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Speaker 6: how long this window is open.

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Speaker 4: I get especially in football, it changes so fast.

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Speaker 6: I mean, hell, two months ago it was blow everything up.

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Speaker 10: And now my story was the window was boarded up

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Speaker 10: after you missed the know you missed the playoffs at their.

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Speaker 4: Four straight year.

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Speaker 6: Uh, and at some point you gotta you gotta, you

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Speaker 6: gotta win a super Bowl, period. I mean you don't

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Speaker 6: trade to first you know, you don't make the move

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Speaker 6: for Jalen Ramsey or AJ Brown and the Rams and

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Speaker 6: the Eagles just to you know, make it to January. No, no, no,

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Speaker 6: you do it to hoist it, to use the Chuck

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Speaker 6: Pigano phrase. So that I think is a very fair barometer.

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Speaker 6: And I get that it's as lofty as it comes

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Speaker 6: from a team's success standpoint, but I mean it is

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Speaker 6: very rare for teams to trade two first round picks

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Speaker 6: and consecutive drafts, And like, I don't want to act

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Speaker 6: like Ady Mitchell has obviously done much in the NFL,

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Speaker 6: but to other teams around the NFL, Ady Mitchell is

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Speaker 6: an attractive piece.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean I'd be hard pressed in my whatever thirteen

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Speaker 6: years covering the Colts to find a player that has

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Speaker 6: been more universally talked about for his individual talent by

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Speaker 6: the coaching staff than Adie Mitchell. Yeah, I mean, Jimbob Couter,

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Speaker 6: Reggie Wayne James, they almost weekly go out of their

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Speaker 6: way to express what they feel in ad Mitchell. I

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Speaker 6: think you draft them thinking a little project, like absolutely,

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Speaker 6: and we're only a year and a half into it,

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Speaker 6: so obviously the two first round picks are ten years

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Speaker 6: of team control. Yeah, I mean that's a big deal.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 6: Mitchell of course is already you know, nearly halfway through

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Speaker 6: his rookie contract. But yeah, that's where I would go.

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Speaker 6: Saus Gardner back to an all pro defense being a

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Speaker 6: top five unit. And I don't know about this, I

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Speaker 6: mean this year, yeah, AFC title. Yeah, that's probably where

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Speaker 6: I would go. But at some point in this era,

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Speaker 6: you gotta win it all absolutely.

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Speaker 10: And then one thing to make clear on the trade

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Speaker 10: that involved Adie Mitchell from my guy at the Athletic

585
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Speaker 10: our Jets reporter Zach Rosenblatt, who will talk to in

586
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Speaker 10: nine o'clock hour, he reported that initially the trade did

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Speaker 10: not include Adie Mitchell. In the Jets push for him

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Speaker 10: so they believe in his talent, physical gifts, and I

589
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Speaker 10: think I wrote that in my story yesterday he is

590
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Speaker 10: or was the most physically gifted wide receiver on the roster.

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Speaker 10: I don't think that was even a question. I mean,

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Speaker 10: the guy if you look at his what was the

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Speaker 10: RAS the relative athletic score we all look at, and

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Speaker 10: for those who think I'm not speaking English, that basically

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Speaker 10: is on a ten point scale how athletic are you

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Speaker 10: for your position? And I believe Adie Mitchell is like

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Speaker 10: a nine point ninety nine, so you know, he's big, fast, strong,

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Speaker 10: can run like the wind, so to speak.

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Speaker 6: But Chris Bollenz the Bible and then Ras book exactly right.

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Speaker 10: But I think the issue that has plagued Adi Mitchell

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Speaker 10: so far in his career is the mental side of

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Speaker 10: the game. Can you lock in enough to be an

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Speaker 10: actually productive player? And that's the challenge that he will

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Speaker 10: face in New York. And to be quite honest with you, yes,

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Speaker 10: they might believe in your talent, but at the same time,

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Speaker 10: you're going to the situation where it's going to be

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Speaker 10: harder in my opinion, to show that Joe Case that talent.

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Speaker 10: The Jets have pleaded the third fewest passes in the league.

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Speaker 10: You're not going to an offense that airs it out

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Speaker 10: like with the Colts. And when I was going back

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Speaker 10: and reading the story, when I talked to Adie Mitchell

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Speaker 10: about the fumble, his mindset afterwards, and he said, you know,

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Speaker 10: my biggest takeaway from dropping the ball in LA was

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Speaker 10: not just holding onto the ball. It was oh, I'm expendable.

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Speaker 10: And he used those words, he literally said, quote, they

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Speaker 10: don't need a wide receiver, they already have some.

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Speaker 4: And you know, lo and behold, you're getting moved.

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Speaker 6: And if you believe the Jets GM who spoke yesterday,

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Speaker 6: he pretty much said that the Colts deal kept on

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Speaker 6: getting richer and richer. It was not. And again, believe

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Speaker 6: what you will, but you know, I think, based off

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Speaker 6: where I was at the trade deadline from a York standpoint,

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Speaker 6: I had heard quinnin William's name more than I had

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Speaker 6: heard sauce Gardner's now, right, And basically, once the deal

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Speaker 6: got to two first round picks, and as James just

626
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Speaker 6: said right there, it did sound like the ad Mitchell

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Speaker 6: aspect to it kind of said, all right, now, it's

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Speaker 6: just not the pure picks, it's also the player thrown

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Speaker 6: in there.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the phone lines two, three, nine,

631
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Speaker 3: ten seventy on the Fan Morning Show, the Colts trade

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Speaker 3: two first round draft picks and ad Mitchell to the

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Speaker 3: New York Jets for cornerback Sauce Gardner, a two time

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Speaker 3: pro bowler, all pro, I should say too, coming off

635
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Speaker 3: concussion though, So we'll wait and see if his availability

636
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Speaker 3: is good for Sunday in Berlin. Jinja Ninja joins us

637
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Speaker 3: next here on the Fan Morning Show. You got to

638
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Speaker 3: live up to that name.

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Speaker 9: Now, what's up, wells, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning?

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Speaker 6: What's up?

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Speaker 8: All right?

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Speaker 9: Tupac had the juice, we got the sauce. We know that.

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Speaker 3: Now it's good to start.

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Speaker 9: Start Mark, feel free to hit me on the ones

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Speaker 9: and twos.

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Speaker 10: JB.

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Speaker 9: I'm killing you in the chat. You look good, dog.

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Speaker 9: I'm kidding anytime you feel I uh, I'm getting killed

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Speaker 9: in the chat too. I really think A d Mitchell

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Speaker 9: is gonna George chickens us right here. As long as

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Speaker 9: the Jets can get any sort of a quarterback in

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Speaker 9: the draft. Tank this year gets quarterback. Ad Mitchell is

654
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Speaker 9: borderline all pro. Next year, guarantee it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy you lunch. Did you know you hire

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Speaker 3: you for this callbut to say you know, but I will.

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Speaker 9: Hey, if we're going with a nine point nine r

658
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Speaker 9: A s that man can ball, let's set. He's just

659
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Speaker 9: mentally not there, Like, let's get this man problem.

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Speaker 4: You gotta.

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Speaker 9: Trade and the scenery is gonna I'm telling you it's

662
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Speaker 9: gonna help him and the blonder He's kid's gonna come

663
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Speaker 9: in work his butt off. I'm gonna go to a

664
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Speaker 9: news I think that's gonna happen. But it's all on

665
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Speaker 9: the Jets and because they are horrible now he can

666
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Speaker 9: play as good as he wants to play, but they're

667
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Speaker 9: tremendously bad and can't get him the ball.

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Speaker 6: You think fans would feel it? Jinga Ninja, thank you

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Speaker 6: for the call, Jeff will venmo you here shortly. Do

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Speaker 6: you think fans are feeling differently if it was Anthony

671
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Speaker 6: Richardson in the trade versus Adie Mitchell. Thank you to

672
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Speaker 6: Heath for that.

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Speaker 4: I think it would be probably more of a some

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Speaker 4: fans that would I think it would be more.

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Speaker 10: Of like a bigger reaction to hey, this is the

676
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Speaker 10: number four pick you're punning on him.

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Speaker 4: He sold he was a future.

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Speaker 10: But honestly, Kevin I flay, that's a conversation that we'll

679
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Speaker 10: have at the end of the season. I don't see

680
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Speaker 10: a world where you give up two first round picks

681
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Speaker 10: and you hold on to a quarterback who, by the way,

682
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Speaker 10: is not going to be your guy moving forward. So

683
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Speaker 10: do you try to recoup some of your draft capital

684
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Speaker 10: that way, but probably grab more headlines if it was

685
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Speaker 10: ar but player for player, I mean, who's more valuable

686
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Speaker 10: at this point in their career.

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Speaker 6: I did think about this yesterday, going back to the

688
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Speaker 6: Deforce Buckner trade. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Buckner

689
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Speaker 6: and Sauce Gardner kind of similar ages in their respective

690
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Speaker 6: NFL careers upon these trades. Buckner was traded for the

691
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Speaker 6: thirteenth overall pick, so obviously a higher pick than what

692
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Speaker 6: you think the Colts will be this year, but that

693
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Speaker 6: was it. That was the only pick he was traded for.

694
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Speaker 6: With Sauce, you are trading another first round pick. And

695
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Speaker 6: then again, however you want to define Ady Mitchell's trade value,

696
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Speaker 6: like I think Buckner's been a really really good player,

697
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Speaker 6: and to kind of make the equivalent of like what

698
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Speaker 6: does Sauce Gardner then need to play at to make

699
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Speaker 6: you think the same way you do about the Forest

700
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Speaker 6: Buckner trade.

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Speaker 3: You want him to come back and be an All

702
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Speaker 3: Pro again?

703
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Speaker 6: Yeah, which again which is very high, high praise. And

704
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Speaker 6: I think there's an element of team success like people

705
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Speaker 6: would call the Buckner trade. I think if you did

706
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Speaker 6: a poll, people would say the Buckner trade was a

707
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Speaker 6: good one, right, Yeah, I like it, And the team

708
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Speaker 6: success has been what nothing.

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Speaker 3: But that's one player out of twenty two as well.

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Speaker 6: Right, but again, when you make these trades, when you

711
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Speaker 6: raid first round pick, and now this being picks plurally,

712
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Speaker 6: there is a team component you can't ignore. You can't

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Speaker 6: just sit here and say, oh yeah, you know, checking

714
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Speaker 6: a box of January and putting up a wild card

715
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Speaker 6: participant banner is enough.

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Speaker 10: I will say this to your point about what it

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Speaker 10: means to the rest of the team. What does this

718
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Speaker 10: move mean for your pass rush? You guys got to

719
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Speaker 10: get home. If Sas Gardner returns to an all pro level,

720
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Speaker 10: Javarius Ward returns and he's back to an all pro level,

721
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Speaker 10: you got two guys who are studs.

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Speaker 4: On the outside.

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Speaker 10: You have Kenny Moore, the second in the slot, who,

724
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Speaker 10: by the way, is a stud as well. If you

725
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Speaker 10: cannot get home, which has been an issue for them

726
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Speaker 10: this year, if you can't bring consistent pressure and make

727
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Speaker 10: life miserable on the opposing qbs, moving forward, Lord have mercy.

728
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Speaker 10: I will have a lot of doubt moving forward about

729
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Speaker 10: this past Russ group, because this.

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Speaker 6: Is a dream.

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Speaker 10: If you're if you are a defensive end right now

732
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Speaker 10: today on the coach roster, you're thinking all right, these

733
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Speaker 10: guys can go pressman and we can just go get

734
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Speaker 10: out to the quarterback.

735
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Speaker 4: And that's the idea.

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Speaker 10: I do think that it'll allow Luinarumo, the colt, the

737
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Speaker 10: defensive coordinator, to be more aggressive with some of his

738
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Speaker 10: play calls because he trusts the back end more. But

739
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Speaker 10: you got to get home. I mean this is, hey,

740
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Speaker 10: we didn't go get a defensive end. We believe enough

741
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Speaker 10: in you guys, so make me right.

742
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the beauty of Russian cover is that you

743
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Speaker 6: do have the ability even though you didn't acquire specifically

744
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Speaker 6: a pass rusher too, and James, you just laid it

745
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Speaker 6: out perfectly to still impact that part of the game,

746
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Speaker 6: which you know again when we have these conversations to

747
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Speaker 6: pass whatever week or two, I was a little bit

748
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Speaker 6: more team pass rush than corner. But they do go

749
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Speaker 6: hand in hand to a degree. Right, Obviously the pass

750
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Speaker 6: rusher can insert himself into the game. I would, I

751
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Speaker 6: would argue easily acts like well, first off, that's not

752
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Speaker 6: a word. Secondly, you know TJ. Watts probably the best

753
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Speaker 6: example of it the last Sunday. You know, you just

754
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Speaker 6: don't throw out a corner for example, So yes, he

755
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Speaker 6: impacts the game. But the pass rusher can literally go

756
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Speaker 6: get the football a little bit easier.

757
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Speaker 3: I think it's also clear looking back at the trade deadline,

758
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Speaker 3: all the big names that people talked about for pass rushing,

759
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Speaker 3: and some of them were already said to not be

760
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Speaker 3: on the market.

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Speaker 12: Right.

762
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Speaker 3: We knew that Max Crosby and Miles Garrett were said

763
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Speaker 3: by their teams, they're not going anywhere. Brian Burns didn't

764
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Speaker 3: get moved by the Giants. I didn't even hear a

765
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Speaker 3: lot of chatter about that. That didn't seem like it

766
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Speaker 3: was going to happen. Trey Hendrickson, you know. So I

767
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Speaker 3: also wonder if after kicking the tires and looking around

768
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Speaker 3: at defensive end and edge rusher, there really wasn't a

769
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Speaker 3: huge upgrade guy to be had, so then you turn

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Speaker 3: your attention to corner and go all in at that position.

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Speaker 3: I think kind of feels like that's kind of how

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Speaker 3: it went down.

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Speaker 11: I think what Sauce Gardner got basically like the market

774
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Speaker 11: Michael Parson's trade means that the demand for pass rusher

775
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Speaker 11: or the compensation for pass rusher was so outlandish people like,

776
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Speaker 11: we can't even go there, it's too crazy.

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Speaker 3: Two first rounders and a wide receiver for a corner.

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Speaker 11: Right, But so then what was that going for Trey

779
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Speaker 11: Hendrickson or Max Crosby starting to a three first round

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Speaker 11: picks or something.

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Speaker 6: Have the Colts been in the position Green Bay was

782
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Speaker 6: in back in the start of September? Do you think

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Speaker 6: they would have been in the mix for that Michael

784
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Speaker 6: Parson's type of deal.

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Speaker 3: If they knew they had the a quarterback?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think for sure.

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Speaker 6: Right, if you knew, you uture view pass rush like

788
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Speaker 6: that or they view corner like that. I think they

789
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Speaker 6: view pass rush like that. I think every team has to. Yeah,

790
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Speaker 6: like that, Micah is Michaeh because they've been much more

791
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Speaker 6: active at corner. Yeah here in the last two months.

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Speaker 6: But the second plas I love Sauce Gardner. But if

793
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Speaker 6: you put them on a list, who's more valuable? I

794
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 6: think you say Michael Parson is not even close.

795
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Speaker 11: Pass rusher is the second most important position in football

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Speaker 11: in my opinion.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely agree.

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Speaker 3: Let's go talk to Dave next to two three, nine,

799
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Speaker 3: ten seventy on the Fan Morning show. You go, oh,

800
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Speaker 3: we got to take a break already, and we we

801
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Speaker 3: got rolling there?

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Speaker 6: H Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Holder coming up next, we'll get some phone calls

804
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Speaker 3: on the other side of that. It's the Fan Morning

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Speaker 3: Show at ninety three five.

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Speaker 4: And one seven five.

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Speaker 3: Mark Dyke, outstanding work. And the question today is are

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Speaker 3: the Colts in fact back? And where are they back?

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Speaker 4: They are shout out to the wire.

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Speaker 8: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the payless Lookers hotline right now. One

812
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Speaker 3: of our favorites. He covers the cults at ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 3: Steven Alder joining us on this fine Wednesday morning. Steven,

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Speaker 3: are the cults in fact back? And what does that mean?

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Speaker 15: Even well? Mark Dyson, first of all, the MVP with

816
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Speaker 15: the wire reference first thing in the morning. Look, I

817
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Speaker 15: think they they are definitely onto something here. They think

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Speaker 15: they are excuse me, that's some allergies going on, so

819
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Speaker 15: bear with me here. But they think this is their time.

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Speaker 15: I agree with that, and now they've got to go

821
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Speaker 15: prove it right. This is the boldest move they have

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Speaker 15: made since I don't even know for sure, the boldest

823
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Speaker 15: move under Chris Ballard. And I think you have to

824
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 15: take the context here. Chris Ballard someone who is more

825
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Speaker 15: likely to trade out of the first round and try

826
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Speaker 15: to collect more picks and values his picks more than

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Speaker 15: perhaps anybody in the NFL. That's the guy who did this.

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Speaker 15: So imagine the conviction they must have for him, of

829
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Speaker 15: all people to make this deal. So I think they

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Speaker 15: are thoroughly convinced that they have a shot here. And

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Speaker 15: I don't think they I don't. I don't think there's

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Speaker 15: anything wrong with them seeing it that way. I think

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Speaker 15: they're right to feel that way.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'll tell you what, Steven, you better get those

835
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Speaker 10: allergies together. Brother, you can't be allergency the sauce. The

836
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Speaker 10: sauce just got here, okay, so get it together.

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Speaker 15: Today.

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Speaker 4: I sound terrible, I'll be on TV.

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Speaker 15: Sounding like a like an allergy commercial.

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Speaker 4: But anyhow, that's all right.

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Speaker 3: You're a pro.

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Speaker 10: You know again, I won't snitch to anybody about how

843
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 10: you get things done. I remember a few times, you know,

844
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 10: the the upper torso was all dressed up and then

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Speaker 10: he had a couple of you know, shorts of sneakers

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00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 10: on it underneath. That's a little you know, secret there

847
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Speaker 10: for those listening from home. But all seriousness, Stephen, when

848
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 10: you look at what this move means beyond just the

849
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Speaker 10: position it's elf bringing in sauce, Gardner's find to bulls

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Speaker 10: of your secondary What do you think it says about

851
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 10: the faith Carly Ersa Gordon has in the regime, that

852
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 10: being Chris Ballad and Shane Styking.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think she's a lot like her father. I mean,

854
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 15: she wants to win, all right. I will tell you

855
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 15: she's not spending all those hours in the building and

856
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Speaker 15: putting in all that work just to be eight and nine.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 15: That woman works hard from every indication, right, we all

859
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 15: see her all the time, and you can agree or disagree,

860
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Speaker 15: or like or dislike how she goes about her job.

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Speaker 15: We don't even know anyway, right, But the point is

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00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 15: she's not doing all of that just to be average.

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Speaker 15: And she was very clear about that, I thought when

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Speaker 15: she spoke to us in her initial press conference. Right.

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Speaker 15: I mean she was raised by the man, a man

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Speaker 15: who cared more about winning than anybody perhaps in that building. Right,

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Speaker 15: Jim Ersay, he wore his feelings on his sleeve, and

868
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Speaker 15: this is his offspring. Okay, so why would she be

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Speaker 15: any different? So I think it reinforces what we probably

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Speaker 15: should have known about Carlie Ersa Gordon, which is that

871
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Speaker 15: she wants to win, and she wants to win Big.

872
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 6: Steven Holder ESPN where you can find his work. Steven,

873
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 6: this is a great trade if what happens.

874
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 15: It's a great trade if Sauce can play like Sauce

875
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 15: is capable of playing. Because he's been a little inconsistent,

876
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 15: that's just a reality. Now. Do we attribute some of

877
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 15: that to the ups and downs of playing for the

878
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 15: Jets abound mord bound franchise? Maybe?

879
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: Uh?

880
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 15: Is he just this? Was he just disinterested at times?

881
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 15: I don't know, But I think if there's anything that

882
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 15: can get you to lock in and to be the

883
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 15: player that you can be, it's an opportunity to go

884
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 15: win the Super Bowl. So I think the cults are

885
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 15: counting on that here. They're counting on him to come

886
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 15: in and to reset and to be the guy that

887
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 15: he knows he can be. And the reason I say

888
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 15: it'll be a success if that happens is because if

889
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 15: he can get back to being that guy, and he's

890
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 15: not that far away, but if he can be that guy,

891
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 15: they have potentially an elite defense with that secondary. I

892
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 15: don't think that's a stretch. I mean an absolute chance

893
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 15: to be elite. That secondary could be the best in

894
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 15: the game. If this guy comes out and plays the

895
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 15: way he knows how to play.

896
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: We've been talking about that this morning. But also the

897
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: fact that does that secondary allow your pass rush that

898
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: extra half second, as James says, to get home. Does

899
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: any of it matter if they still can't pressure the

900
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: opposing quarterback.

901
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's for sure, right, And I would say this,

902
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 15: I've been on a record and I'll say it again.

903
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 15: I really think the pass rush has been adequate and

904
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 15: would have been more consistent if they did not have

905
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 15: what has been, you know, essentially at times a practice

906
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 15: squad level group of cornerbacks. You know, the injuries really

907
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 15: were devastating. Now they're getting better, they're getting healthier. Kenny

908
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 15: Morre's back, Jalen Jones finally makes his debut last week,

909
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 15: so that that has changed, But they still have had

910
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 15: at times one or two frankly bottom up the roster

911
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 15: guys out there playing cornerback in on Sunday against Aaron

912
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 15: Rodgers of all people. Right, So that's gonna change. And

913
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 15: then after the bye week, we would hope, I presume

914
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 15: that mooney Ward comes back. I mean that is to

915
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 15: think about it. Patrick Mahomes may have to go in

916
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 15: and game plan with Andy Reid knowing that he's gonna

917
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 15: face Sauce Gardner and Mooney Ward on the other side,

918
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 15: and then Kenny Moore floating around doing what he does.

919
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 15: That is a game changer that has a whole different

920
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 15: game plan. So I really do think if you're playing

921
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 15: up front, if you're the Forrest Buckner, if you're leat

922
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 15: tou Latu, you got to feel like this is the

923
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 15: best thing that's happening to you in a long time.

924
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 10: So, Steven, and again we have Stephen Holder Coach's esper

925
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 10: and Porter joining us on the pay Less Slickers hotline. Stephen,

926
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 10: I would think because of this move, when you give

927
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 10: up two first round picks which could have been used

928
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 10: on quarterbacks if you wanted to go a different direction,

929
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 10: this means that you believe in Daniel Jones. And so

930
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 10: do you consider that just a formality at this point

931
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 10: that he is going to be the quarterback not only

932
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 10: this season, but beyond and for the foreseeable future.

933
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 15: I think it's a reasonable, you know assumption. Well, you know,

934
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 15: it's got to play out obviously, but I think it's

935
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 15: a reasonable assumption. One of the things that but the

936
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 15: one thing I would say is that there is some

937
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 15: sentiment here that this is about going to win this year. Now,

938
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 15: Sausagartner's not a rental type of acquisition, right, He's going

939
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 15: to be here because the contract kind of dictates that.

940
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 15: I mean, you don't give up to first round picks

941
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 15: and then you know, cut a guy a year later.

942
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 15: So I think they're they're all in with sauce. But

943
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 15: I think this is about this year too to some degree.

944
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 8: You know.

945
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 15: One of the things that that I was told just

946
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 15: not to say that Daniel Jones won't be here. All

947
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 15: I'm saying is I think that is likely to happen.

948
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 15: But I also think this their preoccupation is right now

949
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 15: because this is an opportunity they've not had. One of

950
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 15: the things I was.

951
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 5: Told is that this move is as much about the

952
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: Forest Buckner and Kenny Moore and you know, Zire Franklin

953
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 5: and guys who have been here a long time and

954
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 5: held out waiting for their their time, and they feel

955
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 5: like this is their time and this is to give

956
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: them an opportunity to say, hey, let's finish this job.

957
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 15: I remember, coming out of last year, I wondered if

958
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 15: this if this this group of veterans, they had if

959
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 15: it had run its course, we all wondered, right, and

960
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 15: I thought that they might blow it up, and they

961
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 15: decided to run it back one more time with some changes,

962
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 15: of course, and it has paid off. So I think

963
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 15: this is now giving them an opportunity to say, hey,

964
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 15: here's another piece, go get it done.

965
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 10: We'll hear from this team later today or at least

966
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 10: some of the players. If Sauce Gardner isn't made available,

967
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 10: I would imagine that if he's in Indianapolis by now,

968
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 10: he'll be talking today or at least tomorrow. But nevertheless,

969
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 10: even when this trade went through and after I had

970
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 10: done all the stories, one of the reactions I had

971
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 10: was thinking of the guys like the Forest Buckner and

972
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 10: Quenton Nelson, And for those two in particular, what do

973
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 10: you think it does for them to reinvigorate maybe their

974
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 10: belief in a franchise that they've been great for but

975
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 10: haven't had the overall team greatness.

976
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 15: I mean, it's a it's not even a shot in

977
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 15: the arm, man, I think it's a I think it's

978
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 15: a it's a shot in the veins that seems like

979
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 15: I don't know if that makes any sense, but I

980
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 15: mean it has to just be a complete rejuvenation for

981
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 15: those guys. I mean, you know, think about it. You

982
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 15: leave all this blood, sweat and tears on the field

983
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 15: man and they have nothing to show for it. You know,

984
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 15: They've got all pro selections, they've got awards, they got

985
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 15: a lot of money, certainly, but not a lot beyond

986
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 15: that to show for it. And that's a tough thing

987
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 15: to have to swallow year in and year out. And

988
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 15: that could finally change, you know. And I think that

989
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 15: is a big part of the motivation here. And I

990
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 15: give the colts credit, you know for thinking of it

991
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 15: in those terms, because they deserve it. I feel like

992
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 15: that they really do think they deserve it.

993
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: Steven Holder, always great to get your thoughts. Thanks for

994
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: joining us again on a morning show. We know you

995
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: have a valuable day ahead of you and we will

996
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: talk to you again soon.

997
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 15: All right, guys talks, We bring in.

998
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: Our next guest, Zach Rosenblad, who covers the team for

999
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: the Athletic and is kind enough to get up early

1000
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: and join us on the Fan Morning Show and the

1001
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: pay Less lookers high this morning. Good morning, Zach, kept

1002
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 3: you busy yesterday, didn't we.

1003
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, they always do. It's nothing new around here.

1004
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: How's this going down in New York right now?

1005
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I think, as a Dust has said

1006
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 7: a little bit, I think the general reaction has been

1007
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 7: positive because of the amount of draft capital they got,

1008
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 7: not only with this trade, but with the Quinn Williams

1009
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 7: on with the Cowboys and just kind of reset the

1010
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 7: board and now they have five first round picks of

1011
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 7: the next two years. So but in the moment, you know,

1012
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 7: and even now still honestly, it was pretty shocking.

1013
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 8: I don't think there's.

1014
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 7: Any inkling that Sauces available or even potentially going to

1015
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 7: get traded. I mean, he just signed a new contract,

1016
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 7: so like that. The moment it happened, it was one

1017
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 7: of those moments where you're looking at the tweets and

1018
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 7: making sure they're not fake.

1019
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's certainly the case at least a mind as

1020
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 10: well as Zach. And again, thanks for joining us on

1021
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 10: the show. So reading through your story this morning, and

1022
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 10: we collabed on a bunch of stuff yesterday, a lot

1023
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 10: of Slack messages after that trade went down. But one

1024
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 10: of the things you were able to report is that

1025
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 10: this was not some last minute and it approached from

1026
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 10: the Colts. This was something that had been working, They

1027
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 10: had been working toward over a number of weeks. So

1028
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 10: what can you tell us about just the process of

1029
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 10: first reaching out to the Jets about Sauce and then

1030
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 10: getting it over the finished lines to finally get him

1031
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 10: in the Colts at uniform.

1032
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I mean, I think it was more like

1033
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 8: a couple of weeks ago.

1034
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 7: They just had conversations, like all teams, do you know,

1035
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 7: the Cults were calling around the league looking for a

1036
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 7: corner and they called the Jets to ask them about

1037
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 7: their corner backs, not Jets sauce, but Sauce was the

1038
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 7: main part of the conversation. And the Jets were like, yeah,

1039
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 7: we're not really training him unless somebody blows us away

1040
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 7: with an offer.

1041
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 8: And the Cults were like okay.

1042
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 7: And then you know, you get back to now this

1043
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 7: week and the Colts call again and they start offering

1044
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 7: a little bit more, and as they keep having more conversations,

1045
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 7: now offer more and more to the point where they're

1046
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 7: in Mouji. The Jets GM couldn't really say no anymore.

1047
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 7: And you know, they agreed on the draft picks, and

1048
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 7: then Mouji wanted to throw in Ady Mitchell. I think

1049
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 7: he was really high on his potential, so you add

1050
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 7: him into that. And you know, Mouji kind of interestingly

1051
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 7: said in his press conference yesterday, and this was kind

1052
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 7: of you could kind of see it at the time,

1053
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 7: but I didn't think they would train him right away,

1054
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 7: but they structured in a way that would allow them

1055
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 7: to trade him if the opportunity arose, essentially, which is

1056
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 7: pretty crazy thing to admit, not crazy, but pretty interesting

1057
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 7: thing to admit, because you know, that's the star player,

1058
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 7: and that's someone who you built around and you just

1059
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 7: announced that your cornerstone a few months ago.

1060
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 6: Zach, thanks for the time this morning. If we had

1061
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 6: this conversation yesterday at nine oh five and I told

1062
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 6: you saus Gardner was about to get traded, you would

1063
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 6: have thought the compensation. Compensation would have looked like what.

1064
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 8: Man, that's a good question.

1065
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 7: Multiple firsts for sure, Like that's what I would have thought,

1066
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 7: like that, Yeah, yeah, probably, yeah. I mean, I it's

1067
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 7: hard for me to even answer that because I just like,

1068
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 7: it wasn't a thing not even considered. So you know,

1069
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 7: like if you asked me like the same question about

1070
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 7: Garrett Wilson right now, I don't know that I would

1071
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 7: have a good answer probably two first three first in

1072
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 7: a player or something like something crazy like that. So

1073
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 7: you know, it's rare that non quarterbacks gets traded for

1074
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 7: multiple first It takes a really special player. I do

1075
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 7: think Sauce is maybe better than some of the perception

1076
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 7: that's gotten out about him at this point. He is

1077
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 7: a flawed player, like he's not Patrick Sartan, but I

1078
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 7: think he's been one of, if not the top five

1079
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 7: best corners in the NFL over the last five years.

1080
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 6: So could you delve a little bit deeper into that?

1081
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 6: And I hate to throw out letter grades, but I

1082
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 6: am the son of two teachers, so I tend to

1083
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 6: kind of do that. You know, maybe early in his

1084
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 6: career he was what a plus type of player and

1085
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 6: maybe I don't know, this year it's you know, a

1086
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 6: minus B plus if you want to get super technical there.

1087
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 6: And also, could you hit on the how much shadowing

1088
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 6: did he do for? You know, a variety of defenses

1089
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 6: he played for?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'll answer the second part first. You know,

1091
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 7: with the Robert Solid defense, they had their guys staying

1092
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 7: on their side, so they had sas Gardner on one side,

1093
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 7: d d read on the other and he almost never traveled.

1094
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 7: With this new defense, he was traveling a little bit

1095
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 7: more and still wasn't like one hundred percent of the time,

1096
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 7: but he was traveling and he was doing a pretty

1097
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 7: good job of it.

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00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 8: And then oh, you asked about like the grades, so

1099
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 8: I'd say.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, eight plus the first two years. I mean, in

1101
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 7: all pro, your first year in the NFL is pretty crazy.

1102
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 7: And I think in retrospect, Jets fans, in realistes spoiler

1103
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 7: they were and what that did was it raised the expectations.

1104
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 7: So the last two years, where I'd say he was

1105
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 7: a BB plus, probably they.

1106
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 8: Thought that he was bad and that was not the case.

1107
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 7: The reality of Sauce is like fans, not only Jets fans,

1108
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 7: but especially Jets fans, focused on the things that he

1109
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 7: doesn't do, which is he doesn't really get interceptions and

1110
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 7: he hasn't historically been a great tackler, But they don't

1111
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 7: focus on the thing that he does do, which is

1112
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 7: keep the receiver from catching the ball, and he does

1113
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 7: it as well as anybody in the NFL. Quarterbacks do

1114
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 7: not throw it in his direction, which is why harder

1115
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 7: for him to get picked a lot of times because

1116
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 7: you know, I think he think he averages a catch

1117
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 7: against him every twenty snaps, which is the best rate

1118
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 7: in the NFL in terms of like how how rarely

1119
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 7: he gives up the catch, and in terms of targets,

1120
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 7: he's like top ten this year as well. So quarterbacks

1121
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 7: just don't throw it in his direction. And you know,

1122
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 7: when when the Colts get healthy and they have various awards,

1123
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 7: it's gonna be very interesting to see how that goes.

1124
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Speaker 4: Zach.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure you haven't been able to catch up with

1126
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 10: saus just yet, and I'll probably do it on my

1127
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 10: end here if he's available today in Indianapolis. But do

1128
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 10: you get the sense that he even thought that was

1129
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 10: a possibility on his end, or that he was open

1130
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 10: to that idea.

1131
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: I know he tweeted about, you know, all love to

1132
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: New York.

1133
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 10: But it is quite the flip from you know, a

1134
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 10: couple months ago being the highest paid, richest contract in

1135
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 10: cornerback history.

1136
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, when I understand he did not see

1137
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 7: it coming at all. I don't think it was something

1138
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 7: that was really broached to him at all. But I

1139
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 7: think he'll take it in stride. I think he's somebody

1140
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 7: that is highly motivated already. Anyway, He's somebody who has

1141
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 7: been taking a lot of the losing that he's had

1142
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 7: a deal with pretty bad. And I imagine that he's

1143
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 7: as he sits down and thinks about what's going on

1144
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 7: in Indianapolis and how good they are right now, like

1145
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 7: he hasn't been on a team with this kind of record.

1146
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 7: The best the Jets were with him were six and

1147
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 7: three to start the twenty twenty two season, and then

1148
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 7: they won seven games whole season. So I imagine he's pretty

1149
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 7: excited for the opportunity to play meeting for football at

1150
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 7: this time of the year.

1151
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 6: A flight plan that is a podcast listened to last

1152
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 6: night was Zach Rosenblatt from The Athletic. He joins us here, Zach,

1153
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 6: I thought I heard you, And if I misheard you,

1154
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: I don't know, blame it on my dumb brain. But

1155
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 6: did you say at some point this offseason you went

1156
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 6: to Detroit to do a little bit more of a

1157
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 6: future story on Sauce?

1158
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 8: Yeah? I sure did it. So I went to Detroit.

1159
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 7: The main goal was to do in Aaron Glenn story,

1160
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 7: which I did, but while I was there, I wanted

1161
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 7: to also dig into sauce in his background.

1162
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 8: I went to his high school. I walked to the.

1163
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 7: School with the AD. I talked to his coach, I

1164
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 7: talked to, you know, one of his old teammates. Like

1165
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 7: I was getting ready to do it. I focused on

1166
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 7: Aaron Glenn Want the lead end of the season, and my

1167
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 7: plan was to write the Sauce story early in the

1168
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 7: season after a win. And so, as you can imagine,

1169
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 7: the Jets just got the first win a few days

1170
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 7: ago and Sauce wasn't even playing. So I just like

1171
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 7: have not had the opportunity to write it. And then,

1172
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 7: you know, as it happens in this job, sometimes you

1173
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 7: put a lot of work into something and then you know,

1174
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 7: events happen and that keep you from me able to

1175
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 7: pursue it. But maybe I'll write it down the line

1176
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 7: if the if the Colts go on like a Super

1177
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 7: Bowl run this.

1178
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 6: Year, maybe a snippet of your boots on the ground

1179
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 6: reporting I selfishly, I love to see Sauce Gardner now

1180
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 6: all of a sudden obsessed with the game of golf.

1181
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 6: But I'm sure your your boots on the ground led

1182
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 6: to some other things there.

1183
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'd said.

1184
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 7: The funny thing about him, was you know he's a

1185
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 7: guy that they had him at receiver in early in

1186
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 7: high school and he was like buried on the depth chart.

1187
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 7: They had a cornerback that like got injured, and you know,

1188
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 7: I have desperation the like maybe we should just try

1189
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 7: Sauce there. They throw him out there. He like dominates

1190
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 7: that game and he never looks back. And one of

1191
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 7: his coaches told me that like before that had happened,

1192
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 7: like he has all these old dms on Twitter from

1193
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 7: Sauce where Sauce is like, coach, I think you should

1194
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 7: play me, like I think I'm pretty good.

1195
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 8: I think your guys are making mistake not playing me.

1196
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 8: Like he had the confidence like that.

1197
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 7: The coach said he like he had confidence before he

1198
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 7: even had the skills necessarily, Like he just believed in

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00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 7: himself completely from the beginning. And then you know he

1200
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 7: was off for the race when he got Cincinnati. I

1201
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 7: don't even think he ever let up a touchdown and

1202
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 7: and yeah, you know he's a guy that you you

1203
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 7: guys are gonna love there in that lot, especially the

1204
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 7: media for the locker room wise, the fans will like

1205
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 7: him until they get mad about him by any interceptions.

1206
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 8: I guess, like Jets fans.

1207
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Speaker 3: I'm just curious before we let you go, Zach, as

1208
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: a follower of the NFL day in, day out and

1209
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: an objective guy, how are the Colts viewed right now?

1210
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 7: That's a good question. I you know, I think they

1211
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 7: were kind of a laughing stop going into the season.

1212
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 7: It felt like, and you know, you bank on Daniel Jones,

1213
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 7: and but I think the reaction I've heard just you know,

1214
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 7: listening to podcasts about trades and kind of just you know,

1215
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 7: canvassing Twitter, I'd say outside of Indianapolis, I think they're

1216
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 7: getting pretty criticized for this deal because what they're what

1217
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 7: they're doing, and it's a statement that they believe in

1218
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones, and you know, it's a risky proposition, as

1219
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 7: the Giants saw. So I think they're getting criticism for that.

1220
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 7: But the Colts believe in what they have. They're you know,

1221
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 7: they're whatever, what are they seven to two? And just

1222
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 7: field like a team that can go on a run.

1223
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 7: So I don't blame them for doing it, especially because

1224
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 7: I personally am pretty high on slus Gardner.

1225
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for stopping by. We again appreciate your time

1226
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: and your insights, and we will run into you down

1227
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 3: the road as they say, have a good one, yeah,

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00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: you two guys.