1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Things take time. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Casey, Yes, just like the song is saying, there is 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: a season for everything. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: Things don't especially in the government, they don't always get 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: revealed right away. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: And it's just we're. 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: Dealing with legal, legal stuff, and we're going to give 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 3: you a great example of this. 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: So last week. 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: We had a little fun I said I had asked 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: from some information from the State Police, and they were like, 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: please smooch both of our butt cheeks and fill it 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: out through this portal. And I said, come on, like 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: I asked for some very straightforward stuff. 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: You could have just given it to me. 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: But you're not special. Rob Kendall, do it the way 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: everybody else has that. 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: And I said, I can't tell you what it is 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: because I got to get the documents back before I 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: know this thing took place. But I've got to get 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: the documents. And this is the thing right on this 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: program when we hell you stuff's going down, I think 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: we're batting about one thousand when we tell you stuff's 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: going down, and then the stuff goes down. And what 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 3: we were looking into now Capitol Chronicle, which good on them. 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: They've got a you know, an army of people that 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: they can dispense it's just with us. 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: It's just me in case. 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: So you know, if there's if the daddy daycare service 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: runs a little long one day, we don't get to 31 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 3: things as fast as other days. But so India Capital 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: Chronicle has a big article out. Let's just remind everybody 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 3: of who Tom Kleinhlter is because this is very important. 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: So Tom Kleinhlter is the Dubois County sheriff, that is 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: the home county of Mike Braun. Clinhelter is a close 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: political ally of Governor Braun. And last year, while Holcombe 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: was still the governor and Doug Carter was still the 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: state Police superintendent, klein Helter was in an eighty page 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: probable cause Avid David accused of misusing money from the 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: commissary that's the money inmates pay into in the jail, 41 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: which the sheriff has basically control over. 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: Use some of these funds for employee gifts. 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: But the big one was he paid for his allegedly 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: paid for his wife to go on these trips with him. 45 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: State police looked into it. 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: A guy by the name of Jeff Heron was the 47 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: was the officer who was put in charge of the case. 48 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: It was he was the guy that helped lead the 49 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: Jamie Nole investigation. He did the Sean Reid investigation, basically 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: one of the top guys in state Police. A special 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: prosecutors brought in from Orange County. 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: They present this. 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 3: Eighty page probable cause Abidavid. Everything seems to be moving swimmingly, 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: you know, and these allegations of public corruption, and then 55 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's this radio silence. Braun becomes 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 3: the governor, who keep in mind, Braun and client Helter 57 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: are close political allies. Braun becomes the governor and a 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 3: new police superintendent comes in to Carter leaves, and all 59 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: of a sudden, not only are the is client Helter 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: cleared of all wrongdoings, but an eighty page probably cause affidavit. 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: They basically let him write his own press release saying 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: that he didn't do anything wrong, and the investigative officer 63 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: gets disciplined here. 64 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: In reassigned by the state Police. 65 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: And so Doug Carter came on our program this has 66 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: been a little over a month ago now, I believe, 67 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: and spent the hour with us talking about this case 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: because he said, look, there's all of this stuff that 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: tells me this guy did some pretty serious This guy, 70 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: being Klinelter, did some pretty serious stuff and I don't 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: understand how it could have gone away. I don't understand 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: how he could not be charged with anything. And the 73 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: even bigger thing is how this decorated, thirty plus year 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: officer is being punished for simply doing his job. Yes, 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: so state, obviously everybody knows about WIBC. So media outlets 76 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: across the state started catching onto this and have been 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: running stories about it. 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: Capitol Chronicle did a big expose on it. 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: And now this is what I was requesting information on. 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: I'm just going to read you to make sure we 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: relay the information accurately from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. The 82 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: state body that oversees police certification is now considering whether 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: du Boys Kendy Sheriff Tom Kleinhelter should be stripped of 84 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: his law enforcement credentials. The Indiana Law Enforcement Training Board's 85 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: Decertification Subcommittee was asked last week to review the case 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: following a request from the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy and 87 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: its executive director Tim Horty. 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and under Indiana law, you can be decertified even 89 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: without a criminal conviction. 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: Well right, and it's mind standing, and I'll have to 91 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: have Doug come back on again and explain to us 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: how all this works, but that would take away his 93 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: arrest power. The board accused Clienthlter of perjury, alleging that 94 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: the sheriff signed a nepotism compliance for months after he 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: approved his wife as a special deputy. 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: The training board claimed that that. 97 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 3: Could be a violation of the county's policy around quote 98 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: hiring and supervising relatives. Clientelter is further accused of false 99 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: informing for telling state police investigators that he received an 100 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: Airline e credit for a canceled work trip, although the 101 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: airline confirmed he was actually issued a direct refund. 102 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 103 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: So look this is and we got into this with Carter. 104 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out how I want to say this. 105 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: I think there's I think there's still a bunch of 106 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: moving parts on this thing, and so I don't want to. 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to in any way. Does this sound familiar? 108 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: There's a bunch of moving parts and a bunch of 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: people are doing stuff, and you don't want to reveal 110 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: what certain people. Does this sound fully familiar to anyone? 111 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 3: Like anything else going on right now? Look, I've gotten 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: to know Doug Carter and we have some Look, I 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: vehemently disagree with him on DELFI right, I still disagree 114 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: with him about whether the whether Allen acted alone or not. 115 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: I've gotten to know Doug Carter pretty well over the 116 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: past several months, and I don't think Doug would mind 117 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: me telling this now. Doug had initially reached out to 118 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: me about this even and this. I think this said 119 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: a lot about Doug Carter, because we said some pretty 120 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: bad things about Doug. 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: Carter on this program. 122 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, but Doug Carter reached out to me and 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: and he basically said, look, nobody calls it straighter than 124 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: you do. And here's what I know. I met him, 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: when we met for about an hour, we talked about this, 126 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: and he said, here's what I know, here's my concerns, 127 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: here's what I like to look into. And I spent 128 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: it was probably a month before Doug ended up on 129 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: the show with us verifying the things that Doug had 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: told me in our initial meeting with you, and through 131 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: multiple sources. 132 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: All the stuff that he had said checked out. 133 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: And so I think we as a state have got 134 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: to look take a real hard look here that you 135 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: have a guy who the sitting State Police superintendent at 136 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 3: the time, who has no I couldn't find any reason 137 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: this guy would have a grudge against Clin Helter. I 138 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: don't see anything in their past where they've crossed paths 139 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: that he would have some deep seated hatred or gotcha 140 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: attempt or whatever. This guy Klein Helter peers to have 141 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: appears to have done. And it seems like these other organizations, 142 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: at least some of them are starting to share that 143 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: view publicly did some pretty shady stuff. 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: And when you look at an eighty. 145 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: Page probable cause aviidavit by a decorated law enforcement officer 146 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: who's been very well thought of, I've tuck to multiple 147 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: people in State Police or somebody source I have inside 148 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: State Police who said Jeff Heron is the best of 149 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: the best. And when you look at an eighty page 150 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: probable cause affidavit, the evidence in front of us, and 151 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: the fact that, according to Carter, there were no red 152 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: flags from the special prosecutor until Mike Braun became the 153 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: governor and a new State Police superintendent was appointed, and 154 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, all of this just goes away. 155 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: And when the Capitol Chronicle reached out to Huddleson I 156 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: think is their name, the special prosecutor. She couldn't give 157 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: a reason, went away, like when you don't charge somebody, 158 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: you'll say, look here's the you know, here's the reasons. 159 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: Da da dada da. 160 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: She wouldn't give you or give them a reason. 161 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: I think this is a massive story at this point, 162 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: and the fact that you have law enforcement now basically 163 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: backing that up, or at least some committee of law 164 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: enforcement backing that up. This needs to be something that 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: every media out in the state, outlet and the state 166 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: is on because the fact that you've got a. 167 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Very close political ally of the governor. 168 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: Who is the who is at the epicenter of all 169 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: of this, and the thing goes away once Braun becomes 170 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: the governor. That's a heck of a coincidence. 171 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: Casey, it is a little sus isn't it. 172 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: So there's going to be hearings. There's no timeline set 173 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: for him. It could take several months. This is again 174 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: one of those things that yes, information will come out, 175 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: just maybe not as quickly as you would like. Client 176 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: Helter has not been scheduled for a hearing, but an 177 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: official notice was recently sent to him and his attorney. 178 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: Now you've got the Indiana Law Enforcement Training Board. They're 179 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: going to be making the final decision on this. And 180 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: these board members are appointed by the governor. None of 181 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: the current ones were appointed by Braun Client. Helter himself 182 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: serves on this board, although he won't have a vote 183 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: on his own case. 184 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: All right, So that's the latest on that. And look, 185 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: I just want to reiterate we sometimes get put in 186 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: bad positions because we get information, and when we get information, 187 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: we want to give stuff to you. We have to 188 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: have a balancing act of being able to give you 189 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: our audience information on things and yet still working to 190 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: protect our sources and confirm things and also not endanger 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: the ability to give you more information in the future. 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: So there's some times where people will be like, where's this, 193 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: where's that? Why isn't this here? Why isn't that here? 194 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: That here? We are a lot of times working on 195 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: three or four different things at the same time, and 196 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: we're trying we always make our best effort to give 197 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: you every bit of information we can without damaging one 198 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: damaging the people who if they give it to us. 199 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: Without wanting to be named. 200 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: We got to try to confirm it and then give 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: it to you and not and not out those people, 202 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: and then also not out our ability to give you 203 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: more information in the future. 204 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: So, uh, there you go. That's the latest on that