Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to a new episode of the Frans per
Speaker 2: Second Podcast.
Speaker 1: We are here to review.
Speaker 2: DTF Saint Louis, recommended by Spike. My name is Kennethy,
Speaker 2: and I'm here with Spike. I'm here with Mike, and
Speaker 2: I'm here with Rod and whatever. Man So yeah man
Speaker 2: uh d T of Saint Louis another Jason Bateman uh special.
Speaker 3: I think is he on a bit of a heater
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: Is man? He is? At this point, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'll just watch anything.
Speaker 4: Anything, and I'm just gonnam signing. I've been like that
Speaker 4: for a many with him, though, you well, yeah, I've
Speaker 4: been for me Black Rabbit, yes before that. Like I've
Speaker 4: always liked his humor, even before Ozark.
Speaker 1: I like the darker side. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean I've watched other stuff he was in, but
Speaker 2: the more serious sort of stuff that he's been doing lately,
Speaker 2: because he used.
Speaker 5: To do comedy more yeah right, yeah, right, yeah, I
Speaker 5: think anything I think he must see. He a list
Speaker 5: for me. As far as TV, I don't really know
Speaker 5: so about movies, but if he's gonna be on the
Speaker 5: TV show I'm watching, it.
Speaker 6: Is at least give it a show to.
Speaker 2: See him do, like a movie in this sort of
Speaker 2: new kind of space that he put himself in. I
Speaker 2: wonder how that would would translate. But now he's so far.
Speaker 2: He's picking some really good roles and he's killing it.
Speaker 2: But DTF. Saint Louis is a dark comedy mini series
Speaker 2: created by Stephen Conrad for HBO. Stars Jason Bateman, David Harbor,
Speaker 2: Lender Cardinelli, Richard Jenkins, Joyce Sunday, Arlen Roff, Peter scar Sarascar,
Speaker 2: and Chris Prafetti. Premiered on March first, twenty twenty six. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's what we have. And it's about a love
Speaker 2: triangle with three adults in a middle age crisis and
Speaker 2: one ended up dead and they have two detectives that
Speaker 2: are on the case trying to crack the case.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Ron, how'd you like this one? I did?
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 4: I liked I thought the performances were really good.
Speaker 1: I forgot to do. That plays Harper. You know that's
Speaker 1: his name, David. It's funny that dude that plays Harper,
Speaker 1: I said Harper.
Speaker 4: He plays hop Hopper. Hopper, Yeah, I said Harper, but
Speaker 4: I mean hot Hopper and Stranger Things. But yeah, when
Speaker 4: I saw that, I was like, oh, yeah, this this
Speaker 4: should be this should be good.
Speaker 1: But no, it was. It was. It was good overall.
Speaker 1: It was good. Was it a hard watch for you?
Speaker 4: It wasn't a hard watch. It made you feel it was.
Speaker 4: It was a it was a it was an interesting hanging,
Speaker 4: it was an interesting way. Some feel about it, y'all,
Speaker 4: y'all are dumb, y'all are dump.
Speaker 1: All of those things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but but nah, man, I thought they I thought
Speaker 7: they did a really good job of telling like a
Speaker 7: story of like love and and I thought that was good.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, this is this is really good writing.
Speaker 4: This is really good writing. Yeah, what about you make?
Speaker 1: I was. I was pretty bored for about four episodes.
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is Spike talking about? Like
Speaker 1: this is fine? But but he did say to be fair,
Speaker 1: He's like, I think you'll like the way it ended,
Speaker 1: and that is that is that's the case. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't for the ending, I would have thought this was
Speaker 1: a very mediocre show.
Speaker 2: Though, Spike, how did you end up watching the show?
Speaker 2: And I didn't think it was a good idea to recommend.
Speaker 1: It to me?
Speaker 6: Jason Babe it was Jason Babman.
Speaker 5: I saw Jason baban in the previews when we were
Speaker 5: reviewing something else on HBO Max, and.
Speaker 6: I was, I think the opposite of him.
Speaker 5: I liked it more in the beginning because it was
Speaker 5: more of a murder mystery, which was what I thought
Speaker 5: we were getting, but it turned out less to be
Speaker 5: my I'm curiously about what y'all, but I think I
Speaker 5: figured it out in the fourth or fifth episode what happened.
Speaker 5: I think I was pretty sure, and I was right
Speaker 5: at the end, But once the mystery of who done
Speaker 5: it was gone, it kind of didn't do a lot
Speaker 5: for me. I liked, to Rodge's point, the storytelling of
Speaker 5: like male friendship, and he was just a.
Speaker 6: Nice guy overall. I didn't hate that, but I was
Speaker 6: kind of bored getting closer to the end.
Speaker 2: Mike, you said episode six and seven. Oh five, six
Speaker 2: and seven were the ones that it was that.
Speaker 1: They got me. It was just like I was just
Speaker 1: kind of but then when it got to like episode
Speaker 1: five or six, I was like, Okay, well it's almost over.
Speaker 1: Because at that point I started to just getting a
Speaker 1: little annoyed because I was like, all right, I don't
Speaker 1: know who killed him. I'm pretty certain it wasn't Jason Bateman.
Speaker 1: The white cop whose name I can't remember, Uh, Homer, Homer,
Speaker 1: he was getting all my fucking nerves. I liked the
Speaker 1: black cop Plumb, I liked it. I liked her, but
Speaker 1: she seemed I can't I can't place it. But this
Speaker 1: seemed like the dynamic from another show we already reviewed,
Speaker 1: where it was like there was an older white cop
Speaker 1: that thinking, that thought he knew everything, and then the
Speaker 1: black cops showed up and it was just amazing. What
Speaker 1: was the show we just did was that Task Task
Speaker 1: where it was like the very unassuming I think she
Speaker 1: might even ball head it too, the very unassuming black
Speaker 1: cop shows up and they know everything and they're so good.
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is so good about this?
Speaker 1: I think I think Jason Bateman and David Harber are
Speaker 1: acting their asses off, but I don't think I really
Speaker 1: care about this story until the end. Then I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: all of this had meaning. You know, there were metaphors here.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of ideas being pushed through this,
Speaker 1: which I didn't connect until the very end of the show.
Speaker 2: I liked it for both of those things. Actually, I
Speaker 2: loved the conversation that was being put out there at
Speaker 2: the end. I liked how they used the murder mystery
Speaker 2: and the other stuff intertwined in it to kind of
Speaker 2: keep people around. And I think they created enough for
Speaker 2: people to want to figure out who actually done it
Speaker 2: towards the end, and they kind of, you know, definitely
Speaker 2: made it messy, sensationalized it to a certain degree to
Speaker 2: get people talking with some of the things that they
Speaker 2: were doing. But I remember it was about episode two.
Speaker 2: I tested Spike and I was like, what in the
Speaker 2: fuck you got me watching? Like, what the hell is this?
Speaker 2: But Spike told me he was like he's he said
Speaker 2: I would like and it was gonna be messy, and
Speaker 2: he was right. I was definitely into.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was kind of like the what what?
Speaker 1: What did Homer say? Then? It was like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on out here? But everything looks normal?
Speaker 1: What do you say? Everything looks normal from across the
Speaker 1: street or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, And so you know, I'm watching
Speaker 2: it in the beginning with the first episode, and you know,
Speaker 2: they're kind of setting everything up. Everything is kind of
Speaker 2: the story is told out of order, and they started
Speaker 2: to kind of put it back in sinquits us as
Speaker 2: it went on. But how much of an old ship
Speaker 2: moment was was that for you guys? At the end
Speaker 2: of episode one, after they introduced us to the two characters,
Speaker 2: they're talking, they're talking about getting on this site to
Speaker 2: go meet other people. They explained to us that the
Speaker 2: relationships and there there.
Speaker 1: It is not good.
Speaker 2: They're not having sets and ship like that, so they're
Speaker 2: not being loved, so they're going to seek it elsewhere.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of episode when we found
Speaker 2: out that old Boy is dead, was that was that
Speaker 2: old ship moment to kind of say, Okay, let me
Speaker 2: see what's going on with episode two that ship.
Speaker 4: For me, I wasn't expecting him to end up dead,
Speaker 4: So that was the old ship moment for sure.
Speaker 1: For me, I was like, oh damn. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you know he's an old damn moment?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, So yeah, yeah it was for me personally.
Speaker 3: Did they reveal what the DTF was?
Speaker 1: Oh? And I was also like, oh, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: This whole time, I did not know that's what it was.
Speaker 1: He never watched Jersey Shore, That's where he said that.
Speaker 2: All the time, I didn't know what it was. But
Speaker 2: as they were talking, I started the kids used acronym
Speaker 2: so fucking much.
Speaker 1: I figured it out.
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 1: I didn't till he said, oh, you weren't familiar with
Speaker 1: the termin all. I wasn't familiar with I was so long.
Speaker 2: I was like, I felt.
Speaker 1: Like dumb. When he said it, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: damn yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that that that hooked me.
Speaker 5: At the end of episode one, the Mystery port, okay, like, man,
Speaker 5: he died, Like what okay, you know what happened?
Speaker 6: Who we meet off the site? So that was definitely
Speaker 6: the old ship moment for me.
Speaker 1: No, no old ship moment because when it when it
Speaker 1: kept popping up as a recommended thing on Netflix, that's
Speaker 1: like the first thing they show is him dead. So
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well here, I guess he's gonna die.
Speaker 3: I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 1: Count yourself lucky, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, it was like, because I thought
Speaker 2: it was just okay, upset with you know, marriages, you're
Speaker 2: not connected as much, You're gonna go whatever, whatever. I
Speaker 2: did not expect it to be like death at.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, so I was like, oh, well, what then happened?
Speaker 3: I was like I'm here now, man.
Speaker 1: One thing I will point out is this show is
Speaker 1: very validating. I've been saying to myself and I thought
Speaker 1: I said it to y'all too. There was something about
Speaker 1: Hawkeye's wife. I'm almost positive I said something to y'all before.
Speaker 6: That's the girl, did Jason Baby?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you wouldn't know. Yeah that from Avengers. She's
Speaker 1: Hawkeye's wife. And I've been saying for years there's something
Speaker 1: about her like.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 2: The first time, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, man, I knew it.
Speaker 2: She's a free.
Speaker 5: I believed her when she was talking about the rocket exposure.
Speaker 1: I believed her. Girl right there Snaggett.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, baby, if you're listen, just ignore
Speaker 1: all this. That's my kind.
Speaker 2: I love that you're talking about so too. It's fine
Speaker 2: because we because like, the story is a story, so
Speaker 2: trying to you know, go through it, so you know,
Speaker 2: just talking about it as a whole as we flow
Speaker 2: through it is fine. You know, I'm not big on
Speaker 2: always having to go in sequendal order. But the episode
Speaker 2: two is when you were like, oh no, this's on
Speaker 2: her like she.
Speaker 1: Went after pushing it on bro babman face. It was
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 3: I was like, why are you playing?
Speaker 9: Bro?
Speaker 1: He was flabergasted. He was like, all right, that might
Speaker 1: make sense to me because like, how do I pick
Speaker 1: this up from day once? Oh? Yeah, we should go
Speaker 1: to a game together. Invite your woman. She didn't invite her. Man,
Speaker 1: you might you bro with the car.
Speaker 2: She was like, I bet you if you you're just
Speaker 2: touching and just start right.
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm like this.
Speaker 1: Man, he knew what you know?
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, out right.
Speaker 2: She was left ahead.
Speaker 3: Not because he said something just exposed she was.
Speaker 1: She was, she was on her ship. She killed this.
Speaker 1: She was like, n had a little breastless showing too.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you the second hawk I came home,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I see what's uping.
Speaker 9: When she vanished in the snap, he was he was devastated.
Speaker 9: It wasn't about his kids. He was like, yeah, my wife,
Speaker 9: where is my wife?
Speaker 8: That bro.
Speaker 1: Fuck him up so bad he went evil. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, Nagget. I didn't realize that was her the
Speaker 1: same person, but.
Speaker 2: That's that snagger ship. I was like, yo, they did this.
Speaker 2: They did it so nice.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: There was no need. She had a beer in her hand.
Speaker 2: She could have just gave him one.
Speaker 1: Of them she had in her hand, had to.
Speaker 2: That was like.
Speaker 8: I wish up man.
Speaker 2: And I think they did a good job of like
Speaker 2: showing like Clark Forest the weather man, and then they
Speaker 2: showed how like, uh, Floyd can appear to be such
Speaker 2: a goofball and a funk up, you know, because he was.
Speaker 1: Doing these R and B dances and stuff and like that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was a loser, Like yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't think he was a loser. I think that's what
Speaker 5: they were trying to tell us. I don't think, like
Speaker 5: I didn't look at him personally as a loser, but
Speaker 5: I think in the story they were trying to say,
Speaker 5: like life's tough for him, like jobs he couldn't keep.
Speaker 1: He was a interpreter, like.
Speaker 2: There was some jobs. I think he was going to
Speaker 2: do the financial training ship and he just found a
Speaker 2: high purpose. Yes, al and.
Speaker 1: He became really a well known asl guy.
Speaker 6: But that didn't make a living for them, that was
Speaker 6: the whole point.
Speaker 1: Didn't.
Speaker 2: And she had to be the umpire to bring money in.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of kind of flipping of
Speaker 2: the rolls to where she was like even she had
Speaker 2: to take the bus. He was taking the car, you know,
Speaker 2: and and all his other shit.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: But I think they did a good job to your point,
Speaker 2: Spike a kind of portray him as a loser to
Speaker 2: make it seem like this is why she would want
Speaker 2: to go have an affair early on in the show.
Speaker 2: Unbeknownst to us, that's not how that ship really went down,
Speaker 2: you know, but they kind of set it up that way.
Speaker 2: But what got me, Mike where the damn sexual acts
Speaker 2: and ship bro? And this motherfucker said what do they
Speaker 2: call it? A? Wait? Wait something? He said, I want
Speaker 2: you to sit on my work And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: he just talking to him?
Speaker 3: Mean that ship?
Speaker 2: She When that motherfucker was sitting there having a meeting,
Speaker 2: you're making calls and ship bro.
Speaker 1: He loved this ship. I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 1: He was into all kind of kinks on this show.
Speaker 3: I was like, I ain't looking up, but is that
Speaker 3: ship real?
Speaker 4: I'm sure all you can think of it because because
Speaker 4: the detective says it towards.
Speaker 1: The end, like like yeah you got this now that now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: People like all that ship?
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, because she was loky, like I want
Speaker 2: to say what she was talking about the water scenes.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, it's a friction in the water. It's
Speaker 1: not as school as this sign don't work right because
Speaker 1: that's not true.
Speaker 3: But she did say that you said what she was.
Speaker 1: She was saying that she was sex positive. I thought
Speaker 1: that was cool.
Speaker 3: But what was like the craziest like ship out of
Speaker 3: this different things they showed.
Speaker 1: Him the show that position that she put him in
Speaker 1: my Amazon.
Speaker 4: That was all, Oh, my goodnait, that's not the sense Robot.
Speaker 1: I thought the sense Robot was Amazon. That was just
Speaker 1: him acting like Amazon had his legs up. Oh, I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing as Kings. I thought that's
Speaker 1: where they were calling it. The Amazon.
Speaker 3: Is called the Amazon. Oh, trust.
Speaker 8: Said Trust, that's how you get.
Speaker 1: Everything makes sense now, everything all your pause, all this
Speaker 1: ship makes sense up. That's how you get busy.
Speaker 3: It's not how I get.
Speaker 1: But I've seen it before, Nasty, when I saw this
Speaker 1: legs it's crazy, yo, That ship was crazy. And that's
Speaker 1: how you always seemed like he that's how you always
Speaker 1: liked to do it.
Speaker 4: Like it didn't seem like he liked to do it
Speaker 4: any other way. Like every scene was her just like
Speaker 4: basically on top of and like yeah, it's right. I'll
Speaker 4: take your work.
Speaker 1: I take your work. It's a cartoon. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. You won't try it, No,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to try. That is vulnerable as hell.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: It was that ship looks vulnerable.
Speaker 8: No, I'll be like.
Speaker 2: Vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Put my legs down.
Speaker 4: That ship is crazy because I gotta always think about
Speaker 4: like if something happened in the crib, but I got
Speaker 4: my legs up, they could come in here and just
Speaker 4: sucking up with us.
Speaker 8: Yeah, be ready, kids, ready. I kind of I don't
Speaker 8: know it.
Speaker 6: Because the woman is in the position of power.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking about the company, but delivering packages
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Package all right, package off. That was definitely the craziest
Speaker 1: part because he was loving it.
Speaker 4: He was the craziest part with him in the closet
Speaker 4: watching well that's what that's like a way or something
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, that's like Amazon.
Speaker 2: And you know, that kind of made made sense when
Speaker 2: they kind of revealed that because because another cliffhanger at
Speaker 2: the end when he signed language I know you're my wife, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm like, He's like, no, no, no, it's cool,
Speaker 1: it's okay. We don't know he was. He just like
Speaker 1: he was the nicest dude.
Speaker 2: I know, you're we found out he.
Speaker 3: Was cool one five or six.
Speaker 2: But when he first did I was like what Spike
Speaker 2: got me watching? But Damnazon, I was like what, you know.
Speaker 2: I was like, I test, you have to wait.
Speaker 1: Ship was like what?
Speaker 2: And Spike was like, oh, you ain't seen.
Speaker 1: Ship told you the wait. Things seemed tame to the
Speaker 1: rest of this man, because I can see I can
Speaker 1: see a dude asking for some ship like that ship
Speaker 1: sit on my face? Yeah, I mean, are you here
Speaker 1: mental all the time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a different type of sitting in your face.
Speaker 2: She wasn't doing ship, she had to.
Speaker 1: She was just sitting there.
Speaker 2: He just I think he just liked the fact that
Speaker 2: he can breathe or whatever until he started doing stuff
Speaker 2: and then she can concentrate.
Speaker 6: She was so cool with everything, Yeah, except except her husband.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was well, there's a lot of weight on topic,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're smothering me and she knew dude
Speaker 1: was watching. It was kind of a low blow. She
Speaker 1: was very mean to him, which was sad. You think
Speaker 1: she was mean. I think she was frustrated with him.
Speaker 1: I think she was mean to him.
Speaker 4: Well, I think she was very mean to him, even
Speaker 4: giving the circumstances. I thought they did a good job
Speaker 4: at showing the circumstances. Uh So one could say that,
Speaker 4: say that, but if you look at the stuff that
Speaker 4: he's doing, like the fact that she's umpiring is because
Speaker 4: he's not picking up his way around the house.
Speaker 1: I mean, she could cheat on him and treat him, but.
Speaker 6: He had the nerve to like be telling the umpire
Speaker 6: ship was not sexy.
Speaker 1: I don't think he told her. He told he told
Speaker 1: Jason Babman.
Speaker 4: He kept bringing it up. He's like, He's like, she
Speaker 4: so intermind. She's like, that's what you keep talking about.
Speaker 4: You're not talking about the fact that I'm out here
Speaker 4: doing this extra work that I don't really want to do,
Speaker 4: and you're more concerned with how I look, how it's
Speaker 4: making you feel. You're not concerned about my feelings and
Speaker 4: everything that I'm going through. So I thought that was
Speaker 4: good writing because him. Huh, she was still mean to him.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but that's what he's being mean
Speaker 1: as well. But sure, but y'all's favorite ship. Two things
Speaker 1: can be true. Things can be true.
Speaker 4: That he was he was the perfect man. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying she was very mean to him. That's why I
Speaker 4: like the writing, because two things can be true, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 3: Really mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was episode four, and then they added
Speaker 2: more like, you know, we got the car situation, we
Speaker 2: got the umpire situation.
Speaker 1: Then him talking.
Speaker 2: About how sexy or onsets she is, you know, wearing
Speaker 2: an outfit and shit like that, and he was just
Speaker 2: constantly doing things that one maybe not look she would
Speaker 2: not look at him as a man, quote unquote, and
Speaker 2: then just simple things like in the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, can you cancel the law lawn
Speaker 2: service because we can't afford it, and then she's having
Speaker 2: he Then after that, after he said, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: find you setsy wearing the shit or whatever these motherfucker
Speaker 2: rival leaf flowers, and she just completely just felt lost.
Speaker 8: Part.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw they left the little
Speaker 1: bill on the Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they did a good job of kind of
Speaker 2: I think of kind of showing him always messy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but but and that's why she was mean
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: But I thought the whole thing, this love triangle between
Speaker 2: the three three was like approved from the beginning, Like
Speaker 2: Floyd went to Carol.
Speaker 6: Now he didn't know it first, he didn't he signed
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just started watching until later.
Speaker 2: Cause I know she said he said the way they
Speaker 2: because they told everything out of order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought that when he said can I watch?
Speaker 1: That was later that I know it was later, but
Speaker 1: I thought that you thought it came earlier.
Speaker 2: Story. Yeah, I thought that it was all kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't say that as for her, you oh no,
Speaker 2: you guys are right. I think when he found out
Speaker 2: then they went to her and said, hey, he wants
Speaker 2: to watch since.
Speaker 1: He came here because he apologized to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, you're right. Yeah yeah, if that
Speaker 2: was the case, she wouldn't have been as aggressive as
Speaker 2: she was in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, spending fifty six fucking.
Speaker 2: You got a nerve to complain about me and you
Speaker 2: spending fifty six fucking dollars some fucking smoothie see and.
Speaker 1: Not even just the smoothies, Like she was going shopping
Speaker 1: and ship like remember when she came out with all
Speaker 1: them bags and stuff.
Speaker 2: So when was that?
Speaker 3: But after that was later?
Speaker 1: It was But I'm saying she was still pissed off
Speaker 1: because he was not canceling stuff and wasn't making all
Speaker 1: this money. But you out here spending money on stupid ship.
Speaker 2: But I think that was for to get some good
Speaker 2: stuff for her son. You still ain't got the money though,
Speaker 2: Well she had worked, say yeah that was later she
Speaker 2: got her check for umpire, but.
Speaker 1: Y'all still don't have money.
Speaker 2: I think maybe that was the money thing. He was
Speaker 2: all about it, because at that point.
Speaker 1: The money never got resolved. Jason started paying them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he started. I missed that. When was he paying them? Oh,
Speaker 1: he started helping out.
Speaker 5: She said she didn't want to know about she like
Speaker 5: she alluded to it in the conversation with him. She
Speaker 5: was like, well if that word that happened, and that
Speaker 5: was that was for the life insurance. But they included
Speaker 5: payments like to help out, help out around the house, for.
Speaker 1: Him to help Floyd. But yeah, she was trying to
Speaker 1: He helped her too. Are y'all sure he was Jason
Speaker 1: Babman was giving them money.
Speaker 2: He was giving with like appearance to seemingly take advantage
Speaker 2: of Clark to get the life insurance ship. Yes, I
Speaker 2: remember then it started the flip to where Floyd was
Speaker 2: kind of taking advantage of Jason's kindness.
Speaker 5: As well, because the wife said, if you were remember
Speaker 5: like she was like, I just can't do this. I
Speaker 5: can't concentrate with all the stuff that's going on in
Speaker 5: the house, like always having to worry about bills and
Speaker 5: I always have. And that's when the life insurance stuff came.
Speaker 5: But also in addition to that, from that, she was like,
Speaker 5: it would sure be graded for help around the house,
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't want to know about it. Then he
Speaker 5: approached the husband, it was like, I can help you out.
Speaker 5: I can pay you money and this that and the
Speaker 5: third paying money.
Speaker 1: I just remember, I can help you out and figure
Speaker 1: out this life insurance ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was very manipula, so I think she was
Speaker 2: convincing him to go to him, but make it seem
Speaker 2: like he was like doing this out of the kindness
Speaker 2: of his heart, sure, and then actuality he wasn't. So
Speaker 2: he just kind of got Floyd to because he never
Speaker 2: wanted to do it anyway to lower his kind of
Speaker 2: guards about his so called manly I don't know how
Speaker 2: I missed that, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but.
Speaker 2: But nah, but what about the dude that he met
Speaker 2: on the Yeah modern lover, her lover whatever. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: kissed him and didn't want to kiss him.
Speaker 1: See this is what made me actually kind of fuck
Speaker 1: with this show because I was like, at first, I
Speaker 1: was like, bro, what not even on some HOMOPHOBI shit,
Speaker 1: it was just like what do you mean?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: But then when you start analyzing his character is so
Speaker 1: he would do yes because he does not want to
Speaker 1: make anybody feel as uncomfortable as everybody makes him feel
Speaker 1: or how he makes himself feel. So I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's deep. He French kissed this dude in the streets
Speaker 1: just to not hurt his feelings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, I would have done that. I would
Speaker 4: have politely declined. I mean because I politely declined before,
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, like advances to kiss
Speaker 4: me being no, not that said not to kiss me,
Speaker 4: but just like I was confused too, not that I
Speaker 4: wouldn't judge, you.
Speaker 1: Don't I sounded judged story before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could have swell said that here like being
Speaker 4: working at mid y'all, I told secure, Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: get a man in uniform I used to get advance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be advances all we got your advances.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not kissing, nobody not. Nobody's been that
Speaker 4: close to me to try to kiss me. No, it's somewhere.
Speaker 1: Now. You work in Midtown and you're I just got
Speaker 1: the I just stopped even saying anything about it. You
Speaker 1: feel good about yourself. I did both you feet, they're gross.
Speaker 1: I did because the dudes in Midtown are forceful. Well,
Speaker 1: they weren't forceful. They just would just make comments or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're lucky. Yeah, they weren't forceful. They just make comments.
Speaker 1: It would be flattering comments or whatever like.
Speaker 4: Gray yeah, yeah, oh no, No one never touched me.
Speaker 1: No one's ever touched me. No, y'all laughing. But it's
Speaker 1: not a good time. That ship is not a good time.
Speaker 1: That's exactly.
Speaker 3: Before I know that.
Speaker 4: No, I thought it was like my situations. I thought
Speaker 4: it was just they would just saying slash it because
Speaker 4: they used to say, hey, uh, what's up?
Speaker 1: Dreads that that was the prostitutes, But there were like
Speaker 1: the actual you know yeah yeah, yeah, dudes that were
Speaker 1: just out in the They would be like, no, I never.
Speaker 3: Got your full yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think it fit his character. He was still in
Speaker 2: shock and all when he was leaving and you know, uh,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was admirable. I wouldn't do it,
Speaker 2: but I thought for the character, it just made total sense.
Speaker 5: It made since his character, especially when he when he
Speaker 5: I was confused, like you said, when I watched it
Speaker 5: in real time, but what he explained it, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: that makes.
Speaker 6: Sense what I'm looking at for him.
Speaker 1: I mean, because there there's certain things like like you're
Speaker 1: like you were just gonna allude to you would be
Speaker 1: respectful as to not hurt their feelings. I would be
Speaker 1: respectful even to the motherfuckers that weren't respectful to me.
Speaker 1: I would still be respectful because I don't want to
Speaker 1: come off a certain way. Now, if they were like
Speaker 1: can I kiss you? No, that's a bit much. But
Speaker 1: some guys, if they am not gonna do it to you, Spike,
Speaker 1: but they like grab your wrists, some guys might fuck
Speaker 1: you up for that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: They probably was like, he can't fuck me. Get your
Speaker 1: little lass over here, boy, Amazon.
Speaker 2: I wish I could find that Twitter video.
Speaker 1: What Twitter video you got to see this ship?
Speaker 6: This was?
Speaker 1: But no, this was like that to a to an
Speaker 1: in degree of you just really want to make sure
Speaker 1: this person is comfortable. I thought that was dope, and.
Speaker 2: Even even mynel lover was like I knew he wasn't
Speaker 2: he is messed up because you know, you just want
Speaker 2: to get your rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's but see that kind of goes to what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Like these motherfuckers be like are you sure?
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I'm positive. Are you sure? It's like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, let me alone, Like you know he's
Speaker 1: not into that, but you still asked if you could
Speaker 1: French kiss him?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which you know I think it's so now we're
Speaker 2: getting into like I think kind of like a bit
Speaker 2: of the core what the show. That's what I call
Speaker 2: a quandry was talking about. But before we get into that,
Speaker 2: did you guys like the two questions? Did you guys
Speaker 2: like the rap number?
Speaker 1: They did? I loved it. I hated that.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: I hate I loved it.
Speaker 3: It was really good.
Speaker 1: It was it was good that almost ruined.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: I was like, that didn't need to be there, this
Speaker 1: was really it didn't. It didn't, but I liked it though.
Speaker 1: It was like what but I don't know something about it?
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 2: I don't know because I'm kind of with you. I
Speaker 2: didn't think it was that bad.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that bad. It just didn't
Speaker 1: make sense in the context of what was it. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what if that was a dream sequence,
Speaker 1: I might have been okay with it.
Speaker 4: I could just see them being silly like that, though,
Speaker 4: But the rapp was too good for this beating it
Speaker 4: was okay, so you could say, yeah.
Speaker 6: I was like, that is weird.
Speaker 1: In this moment.
Speaker 4: It was weird, but they executed it really well, and
Speaker 4: that's that's what I appreciated about it.
Speaker 1: I was like this, this is stupid, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: gave it grace. I was like, man, you know what
Speaker 1: the boys like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the sense of the show and who they
Speaker 4: were and how they were because they were doing like
Speaker 4: silly ship, Like you know what I'm saying, So why
Speaker 4: not let them do that. We're gonna pass the mothers.
Speaker 6: I like.
Speaker 4: I like, like, sure, stupid, but it's the show. A
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of different moments like that. When
Speaker 4: he did a little gymnast ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was yeah.
Speaker 2: The d D ship, yeah, I did like it because
Speaker 2: when I first saw this, this is goofy as fun.
Speaker 2: But when I saw why he was doing it.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship the dance. I thought it
Speaker 1: was cool. Yeah, trying to lose weight. But he was
Speaker 1: also doing it for rap concerts. Yeah, because he wanted
Speaker 1: to be able to be that the best as. I
Speaker 1: thought that was really really cool. And she was crying.
Speaker 1: Didn't tell what she started crying when he realized that
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Yeah, yeah that was I thought that
Speaker 1: was really cool. Yeah, so he just cared about people.
Speaker 1: He wanted people to be happy. M I don't want
Speaker 1: to just sign the words. I want to like convey
Speaker 1: the emotion with this guy. Because there's that woman that
Speaker 1: was like that, that white woman. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember those interviews.
Speaker 4: Yeah anyway, yeah, yeah it was a black woman like
Speaker 4: that too, right maybe, yeah, it's a black woman.
Speaker 3: I used to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was getting never said they did they did?
Speaker 1: What did he because he was having sex with his
Speaker 1: mom and walked in on him down kind of he
Speaker 1: thought he was didn't he say something like he thought
Speaker 1: he was cheating or something. Yeah, Well that was just
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing.
Speaker 2: The back part, The ba part was it sounded like
Speaker 2: hurting the mom. I heard hurting the mom or something
Speaker 2: like that. So he thought he was hurting, So I thought,
Speaker 2: but I feel like this show would have been very direct.
Speaker 2: I don't think they would have anyway. Yeah, they said, yeah,
Speaker 2: he just hit him in it, but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: he just thought I was hurting his mom. He just
Speaker 2: went in because that boy was crazy. Yeah, we had
Speaker 2: a condition after getting hitting the dick. Yeah, he had
Speaker 2: a condition all right.
Speaker 1: About Richard. That boy's name was Richard. Yeah, so a.
Speaker 4: Little around the dick, dick with a big old bat, so.
Speaker 2: Right around they started to kind of unravel and we
Speaker 2: were like, all right, so we know, Uh, Clark didn't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 6: I never thought he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought he did. I started to suspect anybody.
Speaker 5: I suspected the wife after the smooth wife. Yeah, after
Speaker 5: the smoothie thing, I was like, Okay, something's up with this,
Speaker 5: but then.
Speaker 2: Not care of but Clark's wife because we never really
Speaker 2: saw it carried until the Yeah, she got the fuck
Speaker 2: up out of there.
Speaker 1: Like fresh prince.
Speaker 6: I thought the wife.
Speaker 5: And then for a split second, well I thought the wife,
Speaker 5: and then I said he killed itself, and then I
Speaker 5: said they got me.
Speaker 6: For a split second at the end on the last episode,
Speaker 6: I thought the little boy did.
Speaker 5: I was like, the little boy couldn't. They're gonna switch
Speaker 5: this on me, and I was like, the little boy
Speaker 5: did it. But then I went back to he killed itself.
Speaker 1: I never thought he killed himself till they said it.
Speaker 3: Really really, that was one of the things.
Speaker 4: I ain't mean to say it like that, but that
Speaker 4: was one that was one of my first suspicions that
Speaker 4: he did it, and so I never thought it until
Speaker 4: they said it.
Speaker 1: So when they said it, it fucking killed me. I
Speaker 1: was like, what it was just the way he was
Speaker 1: slumped over. I was like, I think he did it himself.
Speaker 3: It was something he said, got the little did it
Speaker 3: take for you to get to that he did it himself?
Speaker 1: Five? For me, Oh, it was just it was just
Speaker 1: one of my initial thoughts.
Speaker 4: After five, I was like, yeah, it was my initial thought,
Speaker 4: and then they started making me think it was the wife,
Speaker 4: and then at some point I thought it was When
Speaker 4: I saw the sun on the bike, I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: it's probably the sun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of yeah with Mike a little bit in
Speaker 2: terms of like really towards the end when they started
Speaker 2: to really kind of unravel everything, because they did a
Speaker 2: good job of painting Carol as the person that did it.
Speaker 2: They did life insurance money. She was an absolute asshole,
Speaker 2: but then they started to kind of humanize her a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as well, I'm gonna tell you what they did.
Speaker 5: It made me think he did it is they never
Speaker 5: considered that as the police. They never they never considered
Speaker 5: maybe he killed himself. Yeah, and what maybe took too
Speaker 5: much of the stuff himself. So that's what made me think,
Speaker 5: like he probably did that. Shit, what was the fucking
Speaker 5: can you speak up?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 5: That's a that's a power thing, yes, like if you
Speaker 5: read sales books and stuff like that, that that submit
Speaker 5: that that they teach to do, like help people repeat
Speaker 5: themselves and ship like that when you go in the room.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a power thing. And I also
Speaker 1: thought that it was her like delaying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what she could think. This attack you can
Speaker 6: think too, ye, that.
Speaker 1: Was making me so mad.
Speaker 6: Could you speak up?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 2: And you heard you heard?
Speaker 1: He was like, thank you god, damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I like not racism, but I can't help
Speaker 2: but think racism, like you just why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: Terrible When she did to the old white man I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, ship, she's just the ass on. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that ship was frustrating the fun out cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found out a buddy of mine built the
Speaker 1: bikes for that show. Really while I was watching the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my boy, Jeff, I've known him since the nineties. He
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, HBO hired me to build some weird
Speaker 1: bikes for a show they're filming called DTF Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: Wait, those are not real bikes.
Speaker 1: No, there there's a version of this bike, but this
Speaker 1: one that that they this is not a bike you
Speaker 1: need to go buy off the street. He's here the
Speaker 1: new show.
Speaker 6: Somebody got one of those on the new show that.
Speaker 2: Palmer was in.
Speaker 6: She got She's into like a little horror show on
Speaker 6: Peacock and one of the dudes is just like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna tell Jeffy said he was a liar. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: right now, Hey, jeff, my boy said the show lot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was like, what, that's crazy. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much he got paid for that. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is dope.
Speaker 1: That is dope. Shout out to him. The filming here,
Speaker 1: part of it, I would imagine, like some of it
Speaker 1: was here. Yeah, so much ship is filmed here. The
Speaker 1: only other part I want.
Speaker 2: To mention just for the record of the Danny's playing
Speaker 2: the Danny's play when he was gonna pay old Boy
Speaker 2: to give him an ariusal arousal as basically, yeah, you
Speaker 2: know he was, you know the coffee thing that thought
Speaker 2: was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Actually it was.
Speaker 1: It was I don't really think I want to do that. Man,
Speaker 1: when he hired that guy and then the guy saw
Speaker 1: him and just couldn't do it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why didn't he lie? He's like, is that the guy
Speaker 1: that was supposed to meet me?
Speaker 8: Just say no?
Speaker 1: I mean it was in his line of sight though,
Speaker 1: and he said he nixed it, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: But he didn't know exactly what knitsing was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knew that.
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be able to read
Speaker 3: their lips because he's as l but to do it.
Speaker 1: But I think it's only if you're kind of born deaf.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think regular people. Yeah he's not.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not that the story about him rushing
Speaker 2: out to say that kid that was about to walk.
Speaker 1: In the pool, I didn't really get that because that
Speaker 1: sounds like bad parenting.
Speaker 4: Your kid can't fucking see and you just dropped him off.
Speaker 4: What's the because he wanted to feel independent, what he
Speaker 4: wants to feel. I'm not dropping my blind kid off.
Speaker 4: I'm saying yeah in the right direction, like they just
Speaker 4: let him get out of the car, like you gotta
Speaker 4: act like you like you at least act like you're
Speaker 4: not looking, like yeah, go ahead, but you're still looking
Speaker 4: at the kid.
Speaker 1: I was like, he can't look about the parents.
Speaker 4: Like you ain't looking if you're dropping them off yet,
Speaker 4: like you're not looking at it. It wouldn't make a
Speaker 4: difference he can't see you, but make a difference for them.
Speaker 1: It makes a difference for them.
Speaker 4: They'll see if he's like yeah, he should act like
Speaker 4: you ain't there, act like you're not because.
Speaker 1: So he can feel like he's being regardless. He can't
Speaker 1: see you or here. He doesn't. He couldn't.
Speaker 8: You're pretending her.
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't know, but you know, as a parent,
Speaker 1: you know if he's in here.
Speaker 2: No, he was.
Speaker 1: I thought he was deaf too.
Speaker 6: How did he talk to him?
Speaker 1: Then he didn't? He was he was like I thought
Speaker 1: he was signing on his hand or some weird ship. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: couldn't that Mocker couldn't see or hear. He could talk,
Speaker 1: though he didn't.
Speaker 8: Ship.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, walker was the only thing. Yeah, that ship
Speaker 2: was weird, the placement of it or them parents. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did didn't make sense that. And yeah, because he
Speaker 2: said no cane and ship like that, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: you need that ship.
Speaker 1: I it was so weird that I thought it was
Speaker 1: fake because they kept jumping out of order. So I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that story just didn't happen then, and
Speaker 1: when the show ended, I was still thinking that show
Speaker 1: did not that scene didn't happen, but clearly it did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But anyway, So the the boy, Richard M I think
Speaker 2: it was episode six or whatever, had this freak out.
Speaker 2: He just walked outside and just bust the reindo. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, shaved that motherfuckerhead.
Speaker 8: Bro.
Speaker 2: Y'all need to check that motherfucker bro for the numbers.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm telling you flipping out.
Speaker 6: Did they end up saying what was wrong with him
Speaker 6: like he did?
Speaker 1: They did, but I don't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I don't neither do I.
Speaker 1: They did say that he had some kind of like
Speaker 1: developmental disability I just don't remember the details.
Speaker 2: Fuck damn.
Speaker 1: I thought it had something like something happened after his
Speaker 1: birth dad either left or died. I don't remember.
Speaker 6: I do vaguely remember them saying that.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah they said something, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to find but y'all, I don't.
Speaker 1: It was clearly touched.
Speaker 6: Which you think about the dancing in the underwi wash, Well.
Speaker 3: That's what screw Richard over was a bit much.
Speaker 1: It was a little too long.
Speaker 6: The scene was a little.
Speaker 2: I don't that ship was sad though, Like when Richard
Speaker 2: he said he did the I love you, he didn't
Speaker 2: know what it meant.
Speaker 3: I said rock on. I thought he said rock on bro.
Speaker 3: I was like, broh, my god, I was that was
Speaker 3: That was a lot poor Richard.
Speaker 1: But he probably forgot about this. No he no, that's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt him when he's older.
Speaker 2: It looked like he moved right on Mike walked off
Speaker 2: like damn, that's what that meant, you know?
Speaker 1: But no, that was sad.
Speaker 2: But I think I think for me though, watching this
Speaker 2: is like this conversation about purpose middle age friendship. It's
Speaker 2: like you were talking about Rod a sort of uh
Speaker 2: intimacy without you know that that men in this show
Speaker 2: were having it can't have without all the other all
Speaker 2: you gay type of stuff, you know, and they kind
Speaker 2: of playing around with it a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: to make it seem like it was something more romantic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was. It was strictly platonic.
Speaker 1: No, it was cool.
Speaker 3: They did a really good job with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like even all the way up to the end,
Speaker 4: Like even though because you thought that it might was
Speaker 4: gonna turn romantic, but it still didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I thought it was cool that you can like
Speaker 4: literally strip these men down and still be a platonic
Speaker 4: type of situation, like he just wanted him to feel about.
Speaker 6: It wasn't anything nothing else, like I love you as
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: Willing to go to extreams to accomplish that, you know,
Speaker 2: to try to give him an arisal by, you know,
Speaker 2: put himself in that position. I don't know where he
Speaker 2: got all that money from, but he was paying for
Speaker 2: life insurance.
Speaker 3: He was popular.
Speaker 1: Billboards. Yeah, but that's a lot.
Speaker 6: He's a celebrity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he had all he knew the life insurance
Speaker 4: game too well.
Speaker 1: And then I think we found out in sister seven.
Speaker 2: I think it was seven that he was lonely, you know,
Speaker 2: because it seemed like he was doing all this Floyd
Speaker 2: and then when he sat down, he.
Speaker 1: Was like, man, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
Speaker 1: That was a lot too, That was yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 1: in that final moment, that was the only time I
Speaker 1: thought he killed him. That's the only time I thought Jason.
Speaker 4: Bateman killed Floyd. I never thought he killed because I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, he went there.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, he's gonna he's gonna fuck
Speaker 1: him because the way they're acting, he's gonna fuck him
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna freak out and kill him. But
Speaker 1: when that didn't happen, I was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a much better ending. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I never Yeah, that would have sucked, but
Speaker 4: but no, I didn't. I never thought that that was
Speaker 4: gonna be the case because he was just so honest,
Speaker 4: genuine about everything, like with the with the police department.
Speaker 3: He was just like.
Speaker 5: Everything he said, it was even in what he didn't
Speaker 5: say because he didn't want to ruin interpretation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, he was No, it was cool.
Speaker 4: I liked his character a lot, even even when he
Speaker 4: was saying like, he started off looking at the woman neighbor,
Speaker 4: and then he said, I started looking.
Speaker 1: At the God. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But again it wasn't in a sexual way. It was
Speaker 4: just like, no, I was just admiring the fact he
Speaker 4: ain't got no kids. I was like, God, damn, this
Speaker 4: dude is complex. He was a really complex character. Like
Speaker 4: I really liked his character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the show kind of tapped into those
Speaker 2: sort of male insecurities or things that happen when you
Speaker 2: age and when you lose purpose and lot. Right, you know,
Speaker 2: Floyd found a purpose, but then he was dealing with
Speaker 2: these other things that he couldn't do. He felt like
Speaker 2: less of a man because of the financial situation. Clark
Speaker 2: had all the money in the world, but he didn't
Speaker 2: have these other things at home, so he felt less
Speaker 2: than a man.
Speaker 3: And to your point, wherey like, in the end, we had.
Speaker 2: Them both in this very vulnerable, strip down positions, you know,
Speaker 2: and both were just like really open and honest and
Speaker 2: dancing with each other to the point, but his actions
Speaker 2: on trying to have him reach a place of comfortence
Speaker 2: of love and security ended up killing him because Richard
Speaker 2: came and saw that and it broke Floyd so much
Speaker 2: that he just took all the shit, drunk all of
Speaker 2: it and just died because Yeah, because he was just
Speaker 2: crushed by what the kids saw.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it was just that. I think
Speaker 1: he was ready to call it a day anyway. I
Speaker 1: think that's what made that part so fucking impactful, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't just Richard. He didn't have anything. He was
Speaker 1: uncomfortable himself. That's why he died with that picture next
Speaker 1: to him. When he remember when he was, when he
Speaker 1: was the shit, when he was that dude, and he's
Speaker 1: not that anymore. His wife is not interested in him sexually.
Speaker 1: He has his friend, you know, Jason Bateman's character. He
Speaker 1: has him, sure, but he doesn't have anything else. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have his own children. He can't even get anybody
Speaker 1: on a hookup app. And a lot of people will
Speaker 1: tell you, like, anybody can get something on a hookup app,
Speaker 1: but he can't even get that. I mean, from the
Speaker 1: moment he agreed to meet Tiger, Tiger just because he
Speaker 1: got a match, didn't matter if he was interested in him,
Speaker 1: didn't matter if this person was not his sexual type.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to meet him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they made it very clear that he wasn't
Speaker 2: even gay, but because of his loneliness and all the
Speaker 2: other stuff, and yeah, damn, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Richard was just the tip of the eye,
Speaker 1: not the tip of the iceberg, but the straw that
Speaker 1: broke the Campbell's back. That was the last piece. It
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, now Richard is disappointed in me because
Speaker 1: he just made that connection with him. You know, they
Speaker 1: had just started to get closer. And now Richard's like, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: you're cheating on my mother. And I like how they
Speaker 1: didn't even focus on the fact that you're cheating on
Speaker 1: my mother and you're being gay. It's like, you're cheating
Speaker 1: on my mother, and I'm pissed. And that was the
Speaker 1: end of it. And he was just like, well, fuck it, man,
Speaker 1: I got nothing, So what am I here for?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That ship was crazy, man.
Speaker 4: So today ever showed him saying the stuff that he said.
Speaker 4: He said to him, No, he said that's where he
Speaker 4: was going. Yeah, but he never got because he's so.
Speaker 3: That's what he was thinking.
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure that he can see that that's
Speaker 1: what he's probably thinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting, And he didn't care.
Speaker 2: He just told me to rock on and drunk the
Speaker 2: beer and continue getting drunk man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a lot.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was a really good like
Speaker 1: story here in terms of like.
Speaker 2: Maw Ego and vulnerabilities in the CEA, et cetera, and
Speaker 2: packaging it up by using all these sexual acts and
Speaker 2: stuff to keep people around the interests of the watch
Speaker 2: the show to hopefully take away the deeper meaning.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it was well done as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, the smart show. I wish I
Speaker 1: cared more during the show. So yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: smart show. I was trying to articulate how it made
Speaker 1: me feel, but yeah, I was smart. It was. It
Speaker 1: was definitely a smart show. Yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 6: I liked it.
Speaker 4: I don't know who I could recommend it to. I
Speaker 4: feel like I could recommend it just about anybody really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I would have recommended it to Spike. I would
Speaker 1: have just warned him that there's a lot of digs
Speaker 1: in it. Don't be a baby about all the dicks
Speaker 1: in there. But I think overall it's a good show,
Speaker 1: and I think it does push the idea of being
Speaker 1: close platonic friends without this romantic preconceived idea of sexuality
Speaker 1: without that even being involved. Even though I don't think
Speaker 1: Jason Bateman was a good friend, I don't not he
Speaker 1: was his wife, I forgot, but they kind of they
Speaker 1: kind of brushed that aside. Once Floyd wants to watch,
Speaker 1: what was his not saying that there's any reasoning for
Speaker 1: but what was his? What was his reason and what
Speaker 1: made him just go? Because it wasn't anything at home?
Speaker 1: He wasn't he didn't feel comfortable at home.
Speaker 4: But did she say something to him, like about Floyd
Speaker 4: to make him to make him in like, okay, well
Speaker 4: I guess we can't go through with this. No, it
Speaker 4: wasn't anything never never it was it started off from
Speaker 4: a selfish act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it might not have been. She just didn't
Speaker 1: talk about from from his sample to hers, from his Stampa.
Speaker 1: He wanted to. He just didn't feel like he was
Speaker 1: getting He felt empty. And I think that's that's what
Speaker 1: we learned at the end, is he didn't feel fulfilled.
Speaker 1: So I think he was just trying to find something
Speaker 1: to make him feel fulfilled. But he used his friend's
Speaker 1: wife to get that.
Speaker 2: So and then developed a closer friendship with Floyd in
Speaker 2: the meantime, they just met at Carnhole and she was
Speaker 2: more aggressive, but I don't even think they were really
Speaker 2: really close friends then righted.
Speaker 6: Afterwards, Yeah, she was giving him attention he didn't wasn't
Speaker 6: getting as well. Yet.
Speaker 1: I think they could have done a slightly better job
Speaker 1: pushing that point, because again, we got nothing out of
Speaker 1: Jason Bateman's wife. I mean, that could have been intended
Speaker 1: to be like, well, the audience didn't get anything, so
Speaker 1: what do you think he got? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: they could have pushed that idea a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, when it's all said
Speaker 2: and done, it's a tragic story from his perspective, because
Speaker 2: that emptiness was still there, which is why he walked
Speaker 2: to the empty house and they showed him with the
Speaker 2: empty swing and him swinging up stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So that was good. Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 3: He lost the one thing that he finally founded, this
Speaker 3: old age, the one.
Speaker 1: Person that saw real value in him killed himself. Yep, damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot to get to that last episode. But
Speaker 1: in that last episode, didn't happen this show, I would
Speaker 1: not care about the show at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't messy for messy sakes. You know, I
Speaker 2: think it was a purpose and I think a show
Speaker 2: like this, with a story like this, you kind of
Speaker 2: have to find ways to keep people interested. I think
Speaker 2: it did it, and I think you know, it was
Speaker 2: it week to week Spike, Yeah, yeah, so it's enough
Speaker 2: for people to talk about the show and keeping everybody watching.
Speaker 2: And then kind of landed at landed plane at the end.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so sex robot last thing I got nobody
Speaker 2: doing the sex robot.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, that shit was it might be fun.
Speaker 1: Maybe you being a boss I stay in the box.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They did a lot of freaky said he was like
Speaker 1: a pool boy at one point. Oh yeah yeah, the
Speaker 1: pool pool boy, sexy pool boy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: It was like she said, you don't even know how
Speaker 4: to you don't how to clean up something like that.
Speaker 4: She seems like a humiliated, humiliating him episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting though. She played the hell
Speaker 1: out of her part.
Speaker 8: She did.
Speaker 3: She played.
Speaker 1: What Spike you.
Speaker 2: Anyway, man, let us know what you guys think about this?
Speaker 2: This uh the DT of Saint Louis man and we'll
Speaker 2: catch you guys. That's time we off piece.
Speaker 1: What he said, down the funk I was like