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Speaker 1: Los Calaveras.

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Speaker 2: This is Crowned Heads. This is their yearly release. They've

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Speaker 2: been doing this for twelve years now. This is the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. This is eat drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers, my boy,

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Speaker 2: and look at this beauty. This is the green label,

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Speaker 2: different colors, different years, the green label. We are doing this.

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Speaker 2: It's not a toro. I don't know what size they

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Speaker 2: refer to this as. No, they do do it as

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Speaker 2: a toro. It's a six x fifty four, which means

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Speaker 2: it's six inches long. Tea always makes fingers one boy laugh.

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Speaker 2: And the ring gauge is the fifty four that's the

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Speaker 2: diameter of the cigar, or how thick it is around

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Speaker 2: again with the laughter.

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Speaker 1: A sixty four ring gauge is a full one inch round.

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Speaker 2: This is really the top of the mark of where

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Speaker 2: I like to be with mouthfeels.

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Speaker 1: So they do one.

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Speaker 2: Every years Calaveras, and this one is using a Mexican

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Speaker 2: San Andreas rapper.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at.

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Speaker 2: This cigar, if you're watching the video, if you're looking

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Speaker 2: at it because you're holding it, that is way lighter

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Speaker 2: that is much more in that Colorado claro. So this

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Speaker 2: is a mid priming of a Mexican San Andreas rapper.

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Speaker 2: So you're getting the lighter look mid priming, which means

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Speaker 2: it's not at the top, which means it's not as

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Speaker 2: getting as much sunlight and getting all that darkness and

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Speaker 1: So you're definitely gonna have a different.

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Speaker 2: Flavor profile because Mexican San Andrea's fingers will known for

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Speaker 2: being a little bit of that sweetness, a little with that cocoa,

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Speaker 2: a little with that chocolate, a little bit of those

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Speaker 2: kinds of flavors.

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Speaker 1: But we just lit this puppy up and fingers.

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Speaker 3: What say you not getting the chocolate, the coco, the

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Speaker 3: coffee that you may be expecting right away.

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Speaker 1: But like you said, we just lit this cigar.

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Speaker 3: So far, just a slight a hint of a peppery

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Speaker 1: That that's really about it so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the peppery note is indeed there. We really did

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Speaker 2: just light this thing up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is as of yet. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna take a little bit of time. There's a it's

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit woody. A little bit hay is

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Speaker 2: what I'm getting. But I think more woody than anything else,

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Speaker 2: and that's really enveloping the tongue.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait to see what develops with every cigar

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Speaker 1: that we do.

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Speaker 2: Guys, grab your notebooks. What did you eat today? What

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Speaker 2: did you drink today? All of that goes into your

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Speaker 2: notebook because it affects your palette. The weather spectacular day

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Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis, Indiana. When we've recorded, right, we record

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Speaker 2: the show perfect weather. Why aren't we doing the show

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Speaker 2: outside fingers on? It's criminal that we aren't doing the show. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: smooth criminal.

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Speaker 3: See what you did there? Go ahead, I see what

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Speaker 3: you did there. I'm not doing smooth Criminal. More of

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Speaker 3: a prince guy. Oh, Michael Jackson, you would have said

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Speaker 3: something prince related.

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Speaker 1: I would, but I didn't.

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Speaker 2: By the way, there are only two acceptable Michael Jackson

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Speaker 2: songs because I have issues with Michael Jackson's life.

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Speaker 1: Smooth Criminal, Pyt actually not even Smooth.

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Speaker 2: Criminal, but I'll allow it, Billy Jean Billy Jean Pyt,

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Speaker 2: Smooth Criminal, and of course one of the best songs

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Speaker 2: ever written, We Are the World The Lost Calavaris twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five is what we are smoking. You got your

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Speaker 2: notebook out, what'd you eat, what did you drink?

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Speaker 1: The weather, and.

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Speaker 2: Then break the scar up into thirds, first, third, second, third,

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Speaker 2: final third. Write down the flavors what is it that

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Speaker 2: you're experiencing, and do that for each third. When you

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Speaker 2: go back to that cigar a month from now, six

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Speaker 2: months from now, whatever it is, you do it again.

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Speaker 2: You compare your notes, you see your through line, really

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Speaker 2: get an idea of the flavors that pepper is starting

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Speaker 2: to build. It's a little surprising because not only is

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Speaker 1: It's back of the throat. Yep, that's weird. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing too.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, and this is not really a

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Speaker 3: criticism because it's barely noticeable, but to me, does it

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Speaker 2: Being a fifty four Yes, for being a fifty four

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Speaker 2: ring gauge. Yeah, I think that's a that's a legitimate

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Speaker 2: I'm curious if that was a purposeful in in his

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Speaker 2: in his development, in John Hubert's development, of this.

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Speaker 1: Did he seek this out?

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Speaker 2: Was it trying to be a little less upfront with

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Speaker 2: those bigger flavors and let things build and grow, Because yes,

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Speaker 2: there is a bit of tobacco. Uh, there is that

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Speaker 2: that spice. To me, there's this seasoned wood thing going

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Speaker 2: don't know if if it's the the natural intention, because

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Speaker 2: I know that when when they talk about it they

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Speaker 2: talk about a toffee. No, for me, that's a very

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Speaker 2: hard note to find. Yeah, it's not where I naturally go.

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Speaker 2: There's no I have. I have no basis and no

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Speaker 2: baseline to it. So that's is that a butterfinger? That's

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Speaker 2: a heath bar?

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Speaker 1: Heath bar? Sure, I don't know if there's toffee.

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Speaker 2: In a Yeah, they probably meant not candy bar. But

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Speaker 2: best we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 3: Eighty five percent of what I eat comes from a

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Speaker 3: gas station or a vending machine. So when you hear

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Speaker 3: toffee in my head, I think, uh, heath candy bar.

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Speaker 2: So his argument is that this wrapper allows for that toffee, coffee,

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Speaker 2: funny thing is we've discussed about Mexican San Andreas, which

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Speaker 2: maybe the fat is gone. For a couple of years

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Speaker 2: there it was everything, everything was a Mexican San Andreas wrapper.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's been the case recently.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we have been smoking a lot less

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Speaker 3: Having said that, one thing, getting back to this cigar

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Speaker 3: man that draws nice, isn't it Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Very I'm I would almost say a touch tight, but no,

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's probably the mouthfield being in that fifty four,

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Speaker 1: I'm really stunned by the amount of heat I'm getting.

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Speaker 2: The the the the cedar spice, and that pepper, which

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Speaker 2: like a bouncing black pepper, not hints of red.

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Speaker 1: Pepper, like I say red pepper flake. Yeah, but I'm

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Speaker 2: So when I say bouncing black pepper, I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: playing towards that, but I'm not yet. You know, shaker

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Speaker 2: on my pizza in New Jersey, red pepper flake, the

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Speaker 2: lost calaveras, the odyssi on the matata. This is the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five lost Calavius from Crowned Heads.

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Speaker 3: But it is something you mentioned that the pepper. It's

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Speaker 2: It has Now the question, fingers Willoi is in is

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Speaker 2: this the lost Calaveras twenty twenty five in your humid

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Speaker 1: Twenty five cents a stick. Okay, here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we have a long way to go right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to spend twelve dollars on this

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Speaker 2: spread ten thousand percent, ten thousand percent. Right now, the

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Speaker 2: John does the Lipotia, which in a torpedo to me

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Speaker 2: is one of the most enjoyable cigars I've ever had,

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Speaker 2: the Lipotasia, which he sent us a box he was

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Speaker 2: it on the show. I smoked them while did even

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Speaker 2: share him my fingers. I adore that cigar, So I

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Speaker 2: really I'm a fan of John and of crowned heads.

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Speaker 2: This just might be more, This might be too much bigness. See,

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Speaker 2: I'm not there yet.

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Speaker 1: It's tough for the me. Let's not get crazy, all right,

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Speaker 1: You're not tough for them me, So fingers will win.

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Speaker 2: I made my purchase of the Charbroil Infrared OILSS turkey fryar.

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Speaker 1: That's outstanding. I think I bought an air fryer and

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Speaker 2: I think I think that's what happened, because I have

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Speaker 2: no idea why they call it Infraredit's eat drink smoke.

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Speaker 3: And now I feel like being that you just bought this, Uh,

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Speaker 3: this sair fry.

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Speaker 1: When is Let's go air fry? Come out?

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Speaker 2: Do you want it's it's right there, It's right through

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Speaker 2: the door. If you want to go, take a look

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Speaker 2: at it, grab it.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 2: So so I I was. I was minding my own business,

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Speaker 2: and I was. I was at a cigar lounge and

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Speaker 2: lovely cigar lounge, and I was talking to somebody who

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Speaker 2: talking about making brisket for for Thanksgiving, which which I do, uh,

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Speaker 2: and how they also they do it infra red turkey.

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Speaker 2: And I said, I'm sorry, what kind of witchcraft are

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Speaker 2: it in this it's infrared and it comes out great.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I'm buying this, and I bought it on.

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Speaker 3: The spot and so selling them like you haven't, No,

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Speaker 1: The trench coat and say.

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Speaker 2: So it was it came from the the one of

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Speaker 2: those online retailers that does the delivery.

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Speaker 1: And so I get it. And it's basically it's a tub, right.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's a round thing and you hook up

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Speaker 2: propane to it.

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Speaker 1: You can't make gin in it, can you? Oh? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's not like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh. And you hook up propane to it, right, and

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Speaker 2: you add the legs. It's it's it's fairly easy. Maybe

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Speaker 2: there's fourteen screws in all. And then it's got this

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Speaker 1: Wow. And I moved the right right. It was made

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Speaker 2: The skin was crispy. I did not brind the bird.

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Speaker 2: People could do it without. It's kind of nutty to

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Speaker 2: completely on the air Frier train. Now, the air fryer

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Speaker 2: This is a convection of it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you that it's not as good as

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Speaker 1: Is it good? And holy crap, is that easy?

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Speaker 3: Well you just kind of sold me on getting something

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Speaker 2: Yes, but here allow me, as a man who is

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Speaker 1: Okay, it is not a deep fried turkey.

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Speaker 2: And if you want a deep fried turkey, you have

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is going to be the easiest

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Speaker 1: If it's the main bird, well you could be that.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing two different kinds of birds, well now

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Speaker 1: All seriously fantastic, super impressed.

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Speaker 3: So is there any other meat that you can put

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Speaker 3: in it, really, no question. I am going to try

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Speaker 3: a top round in it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I've talked about top rounds before and how we do

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Speaker 1: It really does get terrific salt and pepper crust. It's great.

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Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer in using some sort of device

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Speaker 3: So if this is just another option for people to

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Speaker 1: I think I.

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Speaker 2: Paid one hundred and thirty five one hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 2: They have some versions that are two hundred and twenty dollars. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Did you have to babysit it? You feel like you? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I was watching football with the kid, okay, every now

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Speaker 2: So well done, Charbroyle, well done. This has been an

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I figured I needed a name that's

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Speaker 1: good enough for me. There it is.

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Speaker 2: Eat Drink Smoke. It is your cigar Bourbon Food, the Extravaganza.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. That is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy.

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Speaker 2: And this right here is the Lost Calavaris twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It's an annual release Mexican San Andreas rapper.

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Speaker 1: It's Nicaraguin in the binder and filler, right. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Nicaraguin in the binder and the filler coming in at

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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars and twenty five cents six by fifty four

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Speaker 2: man peppery very close to pepperbomb, way more so than

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Speaker 2: I was ever anticipating for this cigar.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what are you pairing it with right now?

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Speaker 1: That is a twenty twenty five diet.

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Speaker 3: Coke, okay, because I'm not getting that pepper bomb you're

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Speaker 3: talking about. It's nice bit of pepper, but it is

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Speaker 3: And I'm pairing it with a hot steamy cup of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Do you have the hot steamy cup of Joe? Good

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Speaker 1: for you? Now?

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Speaker 2: I was just curious if we're way way more pepper

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Speaker 1: I am not opposed.

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Speaker 2: This isn't my normal flavor profile, but I want to see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're still into the first third of the cigar.

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Speaker 2: Does any level of cream hit because right now, no,

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Speaker 2: the pepper would little tobacco, that's all. And I love

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Speaker 2: tobacco forward. I am all in for the tobacco forward.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the conversation about price, because you

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Speaker 1: Fifteen dollars and twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I am still going back.

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Speaker 3: And forth about this because, as you know, everything has

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Speaker 1: Prices continued to go up.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen dollars, fifteen dollars now the new twelve dollars. Have

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Speaker 1: Has that happened? Maybe? Maybe it is frustrating.

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Speaker 3: It does stink that I feel like we're two old

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Speaker 1: I hate that stuff so much. Can I talk to

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Speaker 2: Where was I where someone jokingly referred to me as

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Speaker 1: Your cane? Well, first of all, I have a cane.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, I'm about to order another cane, a good one

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Speaker 2: I think this whole idea of saying, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with me, but I

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Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. It's a question of did you

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Speaker 2: Like angry about it if you lost the use of

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Speaker 2: and Fingers.

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Speaker 1: Is like, sh hey, hey, Tony Fingers, I'm right here, Tony,

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Speaker 2: And he looks around like like he's Donald Sutherland and JFK.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, doone's pills? Was that a movie? Yes? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was a movie. Done's pills?

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Speaker 2: It works, wonders Tony, I'm on them right now.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't even tell, could you? And then he went

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Speaker 3: It's like you painted a completely accurate picture of what

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Speaker 1: But what the what else with like like do you

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Speaker 1: back hurts? No, I'm used to it by now. Ah,

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize you were so sensitive about people pointing

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Speaker 2: But none of it bothers me. I'm tired of them

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Speaker 2: complaining about it like a bunch of little pansy.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I understand what you're saying, and normally i'd agree

439
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 3: with you, but my gout is flaring up.

440
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: True enough, true, true, true enough?

441
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: Is is this in your humid or? At fifteen dollars

442
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: and twenty five cents a stick?

443
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: If I saw it for thirteen fifty on sale, it

444
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: would definitely be in my humid or?

445
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: All right, Monty, all, let's make a deal. Speaking of age.

446
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't smoked enough of it to

447
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: know it's it. By the way, you're right, draws great

448
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: smoking beautifully. Not really my mouthfeel at a fifty four

449
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: ring gauge. It's just not my flavor profile. That's my

450
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 2: only issue.

451
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: It's just a value conversation in my mind, and.

452
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 3: I'm leaning towards Yes, it is, because this is the

453
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 3: world we live in now, not the world that I

454
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: want to live in.

455
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: You've really and and I can't, I can't deny what

456
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: you're saying. And I think that that you've been on

457
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: this now for a couple of months. I was in

458
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: a humidore yesterday and there was an opus, Yeah, twenty nineteen.

459
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: I think it was a it wasn't Maybe it was

460
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: a BBMF, I don't know. It was one hundred and

461
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: sixty five dollars, and the attendant was like, yeah, that's

462
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: that's steep.

463
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Speaker 1: I'm not spending that. And what I said was, in

464
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: the days when a thirty dollars cigar was only twenty

465
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: two dollars, you could see your way clear to a

466
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: splurge like that because it only would have been one

467
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty dollars. But when the.

468
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Speaker 2: Twenty two dollars twenty two dollars cigar is now a

469
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: thirty dollars cigar plus one hundred and sixty five becomes

470
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: impossible to reach. And so to your point you've been

471
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: bringing up here for months, Yeah, it's it is absolutely

472
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: time to recalibrate where our numbers are and what we

473
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: look at as dollars.

474
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Speaker 1: Everyone I know that's anecdotal.

475
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Speaker 2: Of course, is saying, holy cality, cigars are expensive. Yeah,

476
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: Holy cality, cigars are expensive. My level of searching for deals,

477
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, I get a ton of emails like you do,

478
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: like everybody does, about what deals are available.

479
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: I got finally an email today where I'm.

480
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: Like, yep, I spent an average of five dollars and

481
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Speaker 2: twenty five cents a stick.

482
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Oh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be all right.

483
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be good for a while, but it's it

484
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: doesn't stop me from still buying a thirty dollars cigar.

485
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: I do what I do, but these numbers, the average

486
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: number is now out of control and you're forced to

487
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 2: rethink it and every way.

488
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Speaker 1: So you're right, you're right if you so. If you've

489
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Speaker 1: found this for thirteen.

490
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Speaker 3: T twenty five stick thirteen to fifty, I definitely buy fifteen.

491
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it a little bit more, but I'm

492
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: probably going to buy it at fifteen, just because that's

493
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: the world I live in now.

494
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: But you like this Slaver profile, You're cool with it. Yeah,

495
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it.

496
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: And you know the fact too, that the construction's great,

497
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: nice to even burn pleasant. Draw has not been testy

498
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: at all. We have been smoking at very low maintenance.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean we can get into it. I

500
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: know I'm up against time.

501
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: There were elections that took place this week across the country.

502
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: I know you've got that in News of the week,

503
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: and I don't mean to rush you. And it was

504
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: a clean sweep for Democrats across the country. And there's

505
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons for this, including you know, in

506
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 2: an off year election where one party has the White

507
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: House and the Senate and the House of Representatives usually

508
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 2: goes the other way. That's a pretty standard thing. How

509
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: much do you think the economy played in this election

510
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, Virginia, New York, some other mayor's races

511
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: across the country.

512
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, specifically when you get to Virginia, I

513
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: think the government shutdown played a big role in it,

514
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: which I don't know if people are talking about that

515
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: as much, but you know, Virginia being so close to Washington,

516
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: d C. And the suburbs and in the game working, yes, exactly,

517
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: I think that had a lot to do with it.

518
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: I think that New York, I don't know what's going

519
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: on with New York.

520
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: That's an evergreen statement.

521
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 3: It's just a shame because you know, you and I

522
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: have both been there recently, and I just don't want

523
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: to see things go downhill there, and I hope, I

524
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 3: hope that it doesn't.

525
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: I hope it will be safe and prosper well. I

526
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: think that's for New Yorkers to decide, and they made

527
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: some decisions. I sure did. I'm staying in Indiana. That's okay,

528
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: but that's fine by me, Fingers Maloy.

529
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: As you know, I was supposed to be in Vegas

530
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: last week for a conference.

531
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Speaker 1: Didn't make it.

532
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: Too many things were happening, and I believe that I'll

533
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: be in Vegas at the end.

534
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: Of the year for a quick jaunt. You are a

535
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: lover of Vegas. I was, what did Vegas do to you?

536
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: What did they do to me? They charged me twenty

537
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: five dollars for a bottle of water to drink smoke.

538
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. That is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy.

539
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: Vegas is having problems, and the only way to fix

540
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: your problems, Las Vegas is to advertise right here on eat, drink,

541
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: smoke that's your only way out right now, Fingers Maloy

542
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: doing ads for you, talking about how important it is

543
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: to go to Vegas.

544
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: And he's the guy, he's the gambler.

545
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 2: And right now there's a story that over there at

546
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: the MGM, they're like, yeah, we screwed up with.

547
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: Pricing this summer. What did they screw up this summer?

548
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 3: This has been going on for years, and you know,

549
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: there's been talk about the Caesar CEO making some comments

550
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: about how they're basically trying to get the riff raff

551
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: off the strip. And by riff raff, I mean people

552
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: like me.

553
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: You yes, the.

554
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: People that go there, and they aren't whales. They wanted

555
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: to go and play a little bit at the casino,

556
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: maybe have one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars in

557
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: their budget, play the machines, hope to get a steak

558
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: dinner out of it, hope to get a hotel room,

559
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: maybe go see one of the free shows. They want

560
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: all of that gone. They want to and the way

561
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: to get rid of these people, people like me, is

562
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: to nickel and dime them to death.

563
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: So one of the things that he wrote here, when

564
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: we think about pricing and things that got everyone's attention.

565
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: Whether it's the infamous bottle of water at Starbucks, coffee

566
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: at Excalibur that costs twelve dollars, shame on us. Twelve

567
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: dollars is insane. We should have been more sensitive to

568
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: the overall experience at a place like Excalibur. To those customers,

569
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: you can't have a twenty nine dollar room and a

570
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: twelve dollars coffee. We've gone through the organization, we think,

571
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: we hope, we believe we've priced corrected.

572
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm impressed that you're saying.

573
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: The words I stayed at ex Caliber back in two

574
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: thousand and nine.

575
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: It well, it's so much nicer telling two thousand they

576
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: redid on tower still there.

577
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: It's true there were twenty nine dollars rooms that didn't

578
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: have the huge resort fee, and you felt like you

579
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: were getting something out of it because you're spending a

580
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: little bit of money on the room, and then you know,

581
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: when it's that cheap. A lot of times, if you

582
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: gambled enough, they would say, oh, to make you happy,

583
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: we're going to take your room charge off.

584
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: Forget about it.

585
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: You could have a thirty five dollar room, you know,

586
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: which isn't there anymore. But then the resort fee will

587
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: be fifty five dollars, right, And it's like, okay, what

588
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: are you telling me? You're you're saying that, oh, well,

589
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: the resort fee includes Wi Fi.

590
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Well, I get Wi Fi for free at any other hotel.

591
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: What makes your WiFi so special? It's not.

592
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: Uh, you get the resort pool, which some of the

593
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: hotels have very nice pools. Obviously, people go to Vegas

594
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: for the one of the things of the pool experience,

595
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: but a lot of these hotels don't have the best

596
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: pool in the world. And yet they're still charging you

597
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty five dollars. Oh, and our world class

598
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: fitness facilities. And you look and you know half the

599
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 3: machines are broken and it's not being maintained. And you're

600
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: asking yourself, as a you know, someone who's in the

601
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: middle class, how can they possibly justify these fees? And

602
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: a lot of people are saying they can't justify them.

603
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm done, I'm not going back.

604
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: They had done a big sale where like big deals

605
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: in Vegas, and I thought some of them were okay,

606
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: But when you did the math, you realized that it

607
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: was just all right, you save over here, but you'll

608
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: spend over there right?

609
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: Just where did you want to where did you want

610
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: to put it? But what's what is right? So a

611
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: twenty nine dollars room and a twelve dollars cup of coffee?

612
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: That is that is a solid observation why a coffee

613
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't be twelve dollars.

614
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: You're just screwing me.

615
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: And people don't want to feel that way, but they

616
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: are clear that they're going to pay seven dollars for

617
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee, right, meaning where is what is

618
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: the number? That for the psyche of your kind of gambler?

619
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, you show up more with more

620
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: than a couple hundred dollars in your pocket.

621
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: Anyway. But the problem is for people like that, I

622
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: didn't say you showed up with fifty grams.

623
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: I certainly do not. But for people like me who

624
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: remember the way it used to be, and I'm not

625
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: talking about thirty years ago, ten years ago, it is

626
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: very hard to go to Vegas and see what they

627
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: have done. It's not just the the fees that hotels charge,

628
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: it's they've gotten rid of a lot of the other

629
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: things that you could get, Like you know, there would

630
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: always be at the diner at a hotel, there would

631
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: be a secret five dollars ninety nine cent or three

632
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: dollars ninety nine cent steak dinner where you get you know, steak, eggs, whatever.

633
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: And of course, is it the best steak in the world.

634
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely not what I know, it's shocking, but you thought, wow,

635
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm really getting a deal. I'm getting a steak dinner

636
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: for three ninety nine and oh, by the way, it'll

637
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: fill me up, and you'd be walk away feeling like

638
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: you're getting something. They've taken all of that away, and

639
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: now you're hearing reports that they're being a lot more

640
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: strict about drinks while you're gambling. It used to be

641
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: that it was no problem at all. If you're gambling,

642
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: what do you want to drink? It'll be back in

643
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: you know, three four minutes and you'll have your drink

644
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 3: there and everybody's happy. But when you're going to bake

645
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: is one of the things. One of the draws for

646
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: people if you're a gambler and you like this lifestyle

647
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: is hey, at least you may be losing your money,

648
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: but you know you're gonna get some free drinks. Now

649
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: they're even starting to clamp down on that stuff. At

650
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: that point, Why am I getting on a plane? Why

651
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: am I flying across the country. There are so many

652
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: regional casinos in the area that were sure, you're gonna

653
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: have to pay for your drinks, but you don't have

654
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: to deal with all the airfare and all the other

655
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: stuff involved in traveling. And the other thing too, is

656
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Speaker 3: younger people are just doing their gambling on their phones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they need to be more enticing to people

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Speaker 2: who want the experience. And you have to create experiences.

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Speaker 2: And you're saying that they took all the experiences away.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you no longer get a ticket to the buffet.

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Speaker 3: What buffet? There are no more buffet. Oh, there are some,

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Speaker 3: but not what they used to be. And every hotel

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Speaker 3: had a buffet. They've eliminated a lot of that. The

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Speaker 3: other thing too, and this is only anecdotal. I've seen

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Speaker 3: a few YouTube in Vegas influencers talk about it. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're they're trying to draw on whales, the big time

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Speaker 3: money to come into Vegas and gamble. Well, part of

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Speaker 3: the allure for the whales is the vibe of the city,

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Speaker 3: the vibe of going into a vibrant casino floor and

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Speaker 3: they're coming to Vegas and in a lot of areas

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Speaker 3: it's like a ghost town compared to what it used

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Speaker 3: to be, and so that vibe has been taken away.

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Speaker 3: So there's gonna be some there's there's there's there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be some uh self reflection. Whether they're actually gonna do

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Speaker 3: anything about it though, because these are all corporate run

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Speaker 3: casinos now, it's not like the old days when the

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Speaker 3: when the mob was running it and they knew your

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're gonna be able to easily

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Speaker 3: turn back and make it a little bit more affordable

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Speaker 3: for uh, the middle class traveler.

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Speaker 2: But there there's these casinos aren't going under, are they.

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Speaker 2: We're not go to see a couple, you know, say

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Speaker 2: it's been fun by Now. I've got the place there

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Speaker 2: Macao in China, and a couple other locations, and I

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Speaker 2: don't need this anymore.

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Speaker 3: I wish I had the name of the casino front

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Speaker 3: of me that just went under recently on the strip.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't one of the big boys, It wasn't Caesar's

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Speaker 3: property or an MGM property. But it's gonna be interesting

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Speaker 3: to see how they compete, because as the strip and

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Speaker 3: their properties and gaming go down, the off site properties

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Speaker 3: where locals go to the gaming is actually going up

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Speaker 3: because the gamblers are looking for value and they know

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Speaker 3: at off strip properties they're gonna get much more value

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Speaker 3: out of their dollar than they are on the strip.

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Speaker 3: It's a shame because you and I have gone on

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Speaker 3: the strip and had some wonderful dinners and and you know,

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Speaker 2: If Fingers molloy was going to recommend one fix to

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Speaker 3: Stop charging for parking, bring down the resort fees, and

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Speaker 3: stop charging twelve dollars for a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 2: So free parking. Yes, the resort fee nonsense needs to stop.

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Speaker 2: And coffee seven bucks. I guess I mean it's no

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