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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Best of the Fan Morning

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Speaker 1: show on ninety three five and one oh seven five

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Speaker 1: the fan Mark coming through early on a Thursday morning.

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Speaker 2: Here you go, there's a bitching now it's been played.

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Speaker 3: It's a cool show. You should check it out.

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Speaker 2: Man, if I knew where to stream it at these days,

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Speaker 2: you need it. I can't. I don't have any DVD

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Speaker 1: You can watch it all kinds of there's all kinds

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Speaker 1: of channels to play a Man Magnum Man Tom Selleck vehicle,

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Speaker 1: and the vehicle was the star of that one of

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Speaker 1: the stars of the show too.

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Speaker 2: Then get your vehicle Outmark, be kind rewind shout out

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Speaker 2: to my grandma. You have off it.

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Speaker 4: You can't record over it?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: That's what they always said. I was always confused by

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Speaker 1: But Mark continuing today to play some TV themes as

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Speaker 1: we did yesterday, we got a lot of reaction from that.

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Speaker 1: People like that looks like, I did you put out

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Speaker 1: the whole list like you always do yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Sundance channel apparently has Magnum p I reruns.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I get that channel.

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Speaker 4: I have to look that up the Sun Dance channel.

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Speaker 5: That sounded like something I would sound trick to you

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Speaker 5: to watch a round of thirty two game during the tournament.

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Speaker 6: And say, if they ever expand the tournament, sounds like

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Speaker 6: we'll get games on that.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 1: So, the Indiana Pacers still looking for a win. Last night,

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Speaker 1: they they came close but couldn't quite get it done

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Speaker 1: against the Dallas Mavericks. And we'll take a look back

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Speaker 1: at that game as the Pacers Playback is presented by

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Speaker 1: Pacers cnjwater dot Com. We saw some G League type players,

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Speaker 1: but we also saw just tough free throw shooting, a

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Speaker 1: tough shooting night for the Pacers all the way around.

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Speaker 1: And the chance was there for him because Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: left the game early after a few minutes and Kyrie

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Speaker 1: Irving was not playing. Their number one overall pick Cooper

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Speaker 1: Flagg did play had a double double with fifteen to ten.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder how many opportunities like that that the

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Speaker 1: Pacers are gonna get as we roll through the season here.

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Speaker 6: Kevin, Yeah, I mean, I guess Friday, we'll see about

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Speaker 6: Tree Young's status, but you know he left last night,

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Speaker 6: so you know, potentially he could catch a break there.

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Speaker 6: And let me throw in the caveat. I fully understand

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Speaker 6: the Pacers are in a far worst injury situation, but yeah, honestly,

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Speaker 6: I thought the last night the G League guys gave

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Speaker 6: you more than you could have asked for. Frankly, I

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Speaker 6: thought the game really turned in a positive direction for

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Speaker 6: the Pacers. Win Quintin Jackson and ray J Dennison, even

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Speaker 6: mac McClung got in there in the first half and

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Speaker 6: they built a double digit lead, and you know, really

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Speaker 6: it was kind of your your starters that shot it

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Speaker 6: really poorly. And I guess it's not the most shocking

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Speaker 6: shephard those three in particular, they've never been this high

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Speaker 5: No No, And to that point, Kevin think also, we

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Speaker 5: to Kaitlin Cooper, who is incredible when it comes to

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Speaker 5: Pacers basketball covers.

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Speaker 4: For basketball, she wrote, I'd encourage you. I'll check out

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Speaker 4: her work.

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Speaker 5: But she's kind of laid it out there, especially with

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Speaker 5: like clips and things like that, just the shot quality

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Speaker 5: you get when it's not Tyr's Halliburton running your offense.

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Speaker 6: They look a little unorganized. Yeah, with so Shepherd, I

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Speaker 6: wouldn't mind seeing a point guard with the starting unit.

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Speaker 4: I get that.

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Speaker 6: If you were listing your five best players, Ben Shepherd

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Speaker 6: just I mean, he wasn't a point guard at what

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Speaker 6: And again maybe that's not going to solve anything, but

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Speaker 6: really it was your starting lineup that was the issue

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Speaker 1: You guys talked about the kind of a roller coaster

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you know this benefit somebody like that. And what

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Speaker 6: Well, he made my heart do some things at ten

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Speaker 6: I mentioned on yesterday's show, I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 6: If I can look forward to anything with the Pacers

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Speaker 6: right now, it would be the Walker is gonna get

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 6: Mark, I don't know if you've ever felt this way

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Speaker 6: with any of your children, but like watching Jaris Walker

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Speaker 6: last night, I felt like it was like watching Max

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Speaker 2: The number of times I've had to sprint across the

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Speaker 6: I like want him to get stuck on the first bar.

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Speaker 6: That's how I feel about Jaris Walker of like, wait,

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Speaker 6: he's got the ball in this one on one situation

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Speaker 4: How is this going to end?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it is an odd, odd time to watch

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Speaker 6: our audience was deep in rem sleep of the final

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So again is that the scene?

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Speaker 5: And Pascal basically passed it. I wonder if he would

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Speaker 6: It's a three down six, you cut it two three,

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Speaker 6: Dallas comes down. They can theoretically ice the game with

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Speaker 6: the scout. That's pretty deep into the scout. But like

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Speaker 6: circus sackt on these you know, miss free throws. Ray

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Speaker 6: and he immediately sprints to the right wing, which I'm like, whoa,

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Speaker 6: He's not even going for the rebound here. So it's

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Speaker 6: like a mini scrum. And as James said, there, Pascal

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Speaker 6: There were so many crazy day April last year. That

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Speaker 1: So many crazy things about that game. And I love

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Speaker 1: looking at box scores. It's one of my nerdy things

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Speaker 1: that I like to do. Craziest box score you're ever

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Speaker 1: going to see last night, the Pacers outshot that just

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Speaker 1: a number of shots they took. They took one hundred

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Speaker 4: You know all that? He said?

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Speaker 1: Hey, one other thing, I think that game to one

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Speaker 1: Because there's so much pressure being taken off him from

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Speaker 5: One of the ten best quarterbacks in football this year

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Speaker 6: James, I know Shane Stikeen I gives kind of the

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Speaker 5: were asking me, like when I'm getting over there, But yeah,

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Speaker 5: never worried. I mean, hey, the player will get there

438
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Speaker 5: when it gets there. I mean, I'm not one of

439
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Speaker 5: those ones who really get mad at delays or whatever.

440
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Speaker 5: It's like, don't put me in the air. If there's

441
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Speaker 5: unsafe possibilities up there.

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Speaker 3: Just don't leave me on the tarmac for six hours.

443
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Speaker 3: That's all I want.

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Speaker 4: Hey leave me there if it means stand alive. I'll

445
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Speaker 4: be honest.

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Speaker 6: That weather in Colts practice yesterday I had me thinking

447
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Speaker 6: I was in Germany.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it's an outdoor stadium and they told

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Speaker 5: us it's an outdoor press box as well, similar to

450
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Speaker 5: last time. So last year I remember having to have

451
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Speaker 5: the gloves and the hat on because it might have

452
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Speaker 5: been about fifty degrees and maybe a little bit lower

453
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Speaker 5: as the game went on. But I mean overall, it's

454
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Speaker 5: a good environment. So I'm looking forward to that experience.

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Speaker 5: Talking to Bernie actually yesterday about that left tackle Bernard Ryman,

456
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Speaker 5: and he was telling me, who'll have a lot of

457
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Speaker 5: family there as well, and he was encouraging me to

458
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Speaker 5: go out and see Berlin because he said it's a

459
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Speaker 5: more touristy city I guess than Frankfurt. I'll take his

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Speaker 5: word for it. I told him, Hey, you're talking to

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Speaker 5: a guy who's only been across the pond once in

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Speaker 5: my life. But it was good to catch up with

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Speaker 5: him yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Obviously historic stadium in Berlin there, but yeah, first game there.

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Speaker 4: And overseas are always weird.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to just credit this Falcons match

468
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Speaker 5: up and tell all the Falcons they've been up and

469
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Speaker 5: down this year it's an easy win.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 5: I feel like every time you go overseas, the game

472
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Speaker 5: is either a'll blowout or it's like very very close.

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Speaker 5: I think it's weird and it's ugly. Yeah, I don't

474
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Speaker 5: try that to be hot. I was to take the

475
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Speaker 5: under them pretty much, and.

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Speaker 4: The Colts will play.

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Speaker 6: You know, I was sitting there or staying there at

478
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Speaker 6: practice yesterday and again it was I mean, we all

479
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Speaker 6: experienced it. It was what forty eight degrees in spitting

480
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Speaker 6: rain yesterday in Indy. The Colts will play five of

481
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Speaker 6: their next six games outdoors, which is kind of unique

482
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Speaker 6: based off the schedule they've had so far. So again, obviously,

483
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Speaker 6: a trip to Pittsburgh, trip to Germany, you come back,

484
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Speaker 6: you're at Kansas City, you got a home game with Houston,

485
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Speaker 6: and then at Jacksonville and at Seattle yesterday looked like

486
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Speaker 6: Seattle whether too.

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Speaker 2: Probably that was wild when they said on the last

488
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Speaker 2: game that, oh, the Coults will be back at Lucas

489
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Speaker 2: Hool Stadium in November thirtieth.

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Speaker 6: I'm what, yeah, right, and then after that mark they

491
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Speaker 6: aren't at home again until December twenty six.

492
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Speaker 2: Crazy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is you know, if there's one big change

494
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Speaker 6: for the Colts upcoming, it is where they will play

495
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Speaker 6: these games. You will be playing many more of them upcoming,

496
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Speaker 6: either out like outdoors and road environments. I get Berlin

497
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Speaker 6: is not you know, it's actually the cult home game,

498
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Speaker 6: but that is what is upcoming. Here is tonight elimination

499
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Speaker 6: game for one of these two teams? Can we right off?

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Speaker 7: Like hell?

501
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Speaker 6: Probably a lot of people have already written off the

502
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Speaker 6: Miami Dolphins. Is tonight elimination game for the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I think you've only got two wins so far, and

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Speaker 1: we're getting we're getting to the point where what wins

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Speaker 1: they go to seven?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question.

507
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

508
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Speaker 4: The AFC North might be a nine win division.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think the Steelers are taking a

510
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Speaker 2: step back a bit. And I think, I mean, the

511
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Speaker 2: Ravens are still the betting favorite to win the division.

512
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Speaker 2: It only two wins and they still again if they lose,

513
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Speaker 2: that's going to be crazy. Well, the Ravens are still

514
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Speaker 2: the betting favorite to win the AFC North. I'm trying

515
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Speaker 2: to check to see what the odds are since this morning,

516
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Speaker 2: but yeah, they were as of yesterday, they were still

517
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Speaker 2: the betting favorite to win the division. It's just two

518
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Speaker 2: wins well, which is insane, but that shows you the

519
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Speaker 2: state of the division because the Browns stink. The Bengals

520
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: don't have Joe Burrows, so that's not looking very good.

521
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Speaker 2: And you know, the Steelers seem to be taking a

522
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Speaker 2: step back. The Ravens are minus one twenty five to

523
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Speaker 2: win the AFC North.

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Speaker 4: They're two and five, right, No, that's absurd.

525
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Speaker 2: I would say if the Dolphinins lose, that's pretty much

526
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Speaker 2: it because obviously the Patriots are having quite the resurgence.

527
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Speaker 2: The Bills are the Bills, and I'm the Jets stink,

528
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Speaker 2: but I don't think. I don't think three teams from

529
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Speaker 2: the AFC East are getting in there. But if the

530
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Speaker 2: Ravens lose, I don't discount that the Ravens are still

531
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Speaker 2: gonna win the division.

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Speaker 6: Now again, nine thirty Today, we usually have Jason hammer

533
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Speaker 6: Mark if you want to pull up a little bit

534
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Speaker 6: of that info. Usually we have him getting a set

535
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Speaker 6: for Thursday Night Football. Nine thirty Eric name who covers

536
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Speaker 6: the bucks for the Athletic and join us talk Miles

537
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Speaker 6: Turner and making his return here to Indiana coming up

538
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Speaker 6: on Monday. Jason Hammer on vacation mark. But he did

539
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Speaker 6: send in his play, Oh he.

540
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Speaker 2: Did, Yes, he sent them to me yesterday from the

541
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Speaker 2: Sunshine State.

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Speaker 4: Maybe a tease of.

543
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Speaker 6: Two of them for our seven o'clock audience for tonight.

544
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Speaker 2: Sure, do you want the main bet that he sent me?

545
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Speaker 2: Or do you want some of the prop bets? He said, Sure,

546
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Speaker 2: let's go. The main bet, he said, was over fifty

547
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Speaker 2: and a half in the game. Oh, we're cheering for points,

548
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: Dolphins cheering for points.

549
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Speaker 4: Boy, fifty is a big old number.

550
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Speaker 2: That's a huge number for a Thursday night too, he said.

551
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Speaker 2: Lamar should be back, and both defenses stinked. The Ravens

552
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: are thirtieth and the scoring in scoring defense and Dolphins

553
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Speaker 2: twenty ninth against the run Lamar back. That will be

554
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Speaker 2: what we are banking on, hopefully getting it close to

555
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Speaker 2: the offensive effort we got from Miami last week. Fun

556
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Speaker 2: fact the last two years and the Ravens are road

557
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Speaker 2: favorites and the over under is forty seven and a

558
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Speaker 2: half or more they are cashing seven and oh they're

559
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Speaker 2: undefeated when the over under is forty seven and a

560
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Speaker 2: half are higher.

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Speaker 1: The only pushback I'd have on that is, if Miami

562
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Speaker 1: is so bad against the run, maybe this is the

563
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Speaker 1: week the Ravens really try to get Derek Henry going

564
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Speaker 1: again and take a little pressure off off Jackson's returning

565
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Speaker 1: from a hamstring.

566
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Speaker 2: That could be too, but you also hopefully get some

567
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Speaker 2: big time rush is from Derreck Henry and some end

568
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Speaker 2: zone trips, so that would also boost the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we needed Derrick Henry highlight where he

570
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Speaker 1: just pummels somebody three feet into the ground on the

571
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Speaker 1: way to the end zone.

572
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Speaker 2: One of those stiff arms that just sends that guy

573
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Speaker 2: flying like he did a few years ago.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so we have a drop set for Halloween tomorrow,

575
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Speaker 6: the twelve year old just stiff arman, the seven year

576
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Speaker 6: olds as they're moving house to house.

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Speaker 2: We have a couple of prop bets we can get

578
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Speaker 2: into later as well, some Colts bets as well, so

579
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Speaker 2: we can dive into more. Jason Hammer plays as the

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Speaker 2: show rolls along by the way, speaking running backs. Jamiir

581
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Speaker 2: Gibbs Halloween costume huge fan, Big Big, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Hardy, the.

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Speaker 4: Super bar back. That was fantastic, all right, coming up

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Speaker 4: at a moment more from the cults and practice. I think

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Speaker 4: Mark enjoyed. Maybe the significant other.

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Speaker 2: Kaya was a very good leading Mark tried to escape.

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Speaker 4: He brought us right back inbs really looked good. Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 2: I did watch that. I was like this video six

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Speaker 2: hours long. Yeah, when you look at it over and

589
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Speaker 2: over and over again, it is all right. More in

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Speaker 2: a moment here as we continue in ninety three five

591
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Speaker 2: one oh seven five of the fan com back for

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Speaker 2: your childhood here?

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Speaker 3: All right, Mark, what's.

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Speaker 6: Going on here?

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Speaker 2: Malcolm in the Middle also a great show. They're rebooting that.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch that. But yes, that was a

597
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Speaker 2: great show, especially a show about just a family full

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Speaker 2: of brothers. My brothers and I love that show. It's

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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 1: We have been kind of going through memory lane a

602
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Speaker 1: lot of TV theme shows throughout the day because Mark

603
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Speaker 1: felt like at the last couple of days we got

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Speaker 1: a good feedback, so we thought we'd keep it going today.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, it's time to talk about the NBA,

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Speaker 1: specifically the Indiana Pacers. They lose one o seven, one

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Speaker 1: oh five to Dallas last night, had a chance to

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Speaker 1: win it at the very end there, and it was

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Speaker 1: a weird game. And you're looking at it and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of G League type guys out there, and

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis goes down, there's no Kyrie irving for Dallas,

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Speaker 1: and it was kind of a strange game all night long,

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Speaker 1: but an interesting one. And to tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about that and what lies ahead for the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: we are joined by Scott Agnes Fieldhouse Files on the

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Speaker 1: Payless Liquors Hotline this morning. Good morning, Scott, how would

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Speaker 1: you describe that game last night?

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Speaker 8: I think the whole thing was weird and which is

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Speaker 8: made for a weird start to this season. But the

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Speaker 8: biggest thing overall, beyond the shortage of players, is certainly

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Speaker 8: the poor shooting on all three levels from the field,

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Speaker 8: from three and at the free throw line ultimately doom

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Speaker 8: them even though they had that chance.

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Speaker 5: So Scott, besides, you know, perhaps looking at flights to

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Speaker 5: get out there Dallas because he needed to back up

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Speaker 5: for you know, point guard position.

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Speaker 4: I would have loved to see you out there.

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Speaker 7: You didn't get the call.

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Speaker 5: I didn't get the call either, you know, I gotta

630
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 5: I gotta text some people and tell them, hey, I

631
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 5: got my Halliburns.

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Speaker 4: I'm ready.

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Speaker 5: But on a more serious note, what did you think

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Speaker 5: of the way the starters have produced in that game

635
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Speaker 5: in particular? And I say that because I feel like,

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Speaker 5: through the first four games of the year, we're starting

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Speaker 5: to see the effect of not having Halliburton out there

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Speaker 5: because of not the shots that they're getting, like the

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Speaker 5: number of, but the shot quality.

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Speaker 8: If that makes sense, it does right now, James, everyone's

641
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 8: having to over exert themselves and play beyond their means.

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Speaker 8: And I thought, to your point about the guards, I

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Speaker 8: thought it was interesting they did not have been Shepherd

644
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Speaker 8: finish the game last night, instead going with a couple

645
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Speaker 8: of their two way guards to play the final four

646
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Speaker 8: or five minutes down there. It just seems like everybody's

647
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Speaker 8: a little bit burned out, a little bit playing a

648
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Speaker 8: beyond their means, and so what they do great is

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Speaker 8: a little bit of a struggle right now because of

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Speaker 8: everything else. I mean, we think about Shepherd's defense and

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Speaker 8: three point shooting, and he and Aaron Neithmith, they just

652
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Speaker 8: don't look comfortable or confident in their shot out there,

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Speaker 8: and so one takeaway in the short term from that

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Speaker 8: game just last night in particular, was just how much

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Speaker 8: more comfortable I thought the reserve guards as a whole

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Speaker 8: played more free, a little bit more healthy when you

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Speaker 8: add mac McClung in there. But that's one of the

658
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Speaker 8: many things they've got to shore up here in the

659
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Speaker 8: short term, just because there was such a drop off.

660
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Speaker 8: And then I even go to and we knew this

661
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 8: was happening all along, but that center spot still is

662
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 8: just such a big question mark.

663
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Speaker 7: You don't finish with the center.

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Speaker 8: Isaiah Jackson continues to deal with foul trouble to the

665
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Speaker 8: point where you can't even evaluate too much what he's

666
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Speaker 8: doing on the court because he's not out there very

667
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Speaker 8: long due to foul trouble. So so much for this

668
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Speaker 8: team to address here.

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Speaker 6: Scott Mercifully, I think the storyline is about to come

670
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Speaker 6: to a close or at least quiet down big time.

671
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Speaker 6: But obviously the Miles Turner, the storyline's been a big

672
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Speaker 6: one over the last X amount of months, and he

673
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Speaker 6: will make us return here coming up Monday night. He

674
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Speaker 6: struggled a lot really shooting the basketball here early with

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Speaker 6: the Bucks. I wanted to share this with you. I

676
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Speaker 6: just literally came across it during the break. I guess

677
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Speaker 6: Miles appeared on thanis Is podcast and naas fanasas if

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Speaker 6: I'm reading this correctly, here Jannis's little brother. Here a

679
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Speaker 6: direct quote here from Miles. I'll just read it and

680
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Speaker 6: let you react to it. He's explaining his contract situation,

681
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 6: basically saying, the Pacers change their mind. He goes Pascal's

682
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 6: on the contract here, McConnell in the contract here, Nie Smith.

683
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Speaker 6: I could go down the list, but you go through that.

684
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Speaker 6: We had a great run. Everybody got taken care of,

685
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 6: everybody got paid because he won. Then the next year

686
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Speaker 6: we surpassed what we did. We went to the finals,

687
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Speaker 6: and all everybody told me was, Miles, just keep your

688
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Speaker 6: head down, keep your head down to work. You're going

689
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Speaker 6: to get taken care of. Then the unfortunate situation happens

690
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Speaker 6: in the finals with Tyrese, and I guess the front

691
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 6: office and ownership just changed their mind. It was like, yeah,

692
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Speaker 6: we told you all those things, and yeah you helped

693
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Speaker 6: us get to the Eastern Conference finals and the finals,

694
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Speaker 6: but we had to pivot. That was basically the sentiment,

695
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 6: and we were just very far apart on what we

696
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 6: thought the future should be. End quote. Thoughts on Miles

697
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Speaker 6: Turner and his explanation, I guess of the Pacers having

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Speaker 6: a change of heart seemingly post Tyrese Haliburn injury.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that probably most referenced how high they

700
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Speaker 8: were willing to go, how much they were willing to

701
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Speaker 8: stretch themselves, how much if all, they had to go

702
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 8: into these luxury tax in order to reassign him. And

703
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 8: the reality is nobody saw this coming KB because no

704
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 8: true team had salary cap space. So from a business standpoint,

705
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Speaker 8: at least initially, you kind of understand what the Pacers

706
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Speaker 8: are doing, because why jack up the price when you're

707
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Speaker 8: the only one buying the goods Right now, now, with

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Speaker 8: that said, you would have liked to see, I think

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Speaker 8: to try to try you would have liked to see

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Speaker 8: maybe more.

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Speaker 9: Of a realistic price out there.

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Speaker 8: I've been told all along that they were never willing

713
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Speaker 8: to go above sixty six million over three years, and

714
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Speaker 8: so he ultimately got one hundred and nine. That is

715
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Speaker 8: just such a significant difference there. Now, from the Pacers standpoint,

716
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Speaker 8: they believe they kind of just got off to a

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Speaker 8: starting point with that salary offer, and then we're never

718
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Speaker 8: even able.

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Speaker 7: To get the chance to make a second offer.

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Speaker 8: That Miles was so frustrated, so disrespected by that offer.

721
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Speaker 8: That's when things completely changed on the side of all

722
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Speaker 8: of that, which which makes sense. But I do understand

723
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Speaker 8: Miles a standpoint here because that was the same exact

724
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Speaker 8: scenario to an extent that played out for Buddy heel is.

725
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Speaker 8: Everybody got paid around him, and He's sitting there going, hey,

726
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Speaker 8: what about me. I'm a regular starter, I don't miss

727
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 8: any games whatsoever?

728
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Speaker 7: What about me? And he never got paid.

729
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Speaker 8: So ultimately he said, Okay, I want to be traded

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Speaker 8: so I can have a better opportunity to start or

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Speaker 8: play and then get paid when what could be one

732
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Speaker 8: of his later contracts. So I understand that feeling as well.

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Speaker 6: Bearre with my hypothetical here for a second. Scott agnesfield

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Speaker 6: House files with us Payless Slickers hotline. If Tyrese doesn't

735
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Speaker 6: tears Achilles, is Miles still a pacer?

736
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Speaker 7: Gotta believe so, I think, because I would assume.

737
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Speaker 6: Milwaukee still offers what they offer, right, I mean, Milwaukee

738
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Speaker 6: wanted to do their thing.

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Speaker 8: Well, the question is, doesn't even get to that point, right,

740
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Speaker 8: do you even mess around with Miles too much and

741
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Speaker 8: you know, meaning in a negative light and just raise

742
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Speaker 8: the price a little bit.

743
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Speaker 7: I mean to the whole conversation here. It certainly didn't.

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Speaker 8: Probably help Miles has caused that finals performance, right, it's

745
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 8: to see what happened there. But yeah, if Haliburton was healthy,

746
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Speaker 8: you're one hundred percent bringing him back, and he's gonna

747
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 8: want to bring back because if you take him at

748
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Speaker 8: his word, he wants to be on a championship contending

749
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Speaker 8: roster that has a chance to compete, and this team

750
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Speaker 8: absolutely would have done that.

751
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Speaker 1: Just curious, Scott, going back to last night real quick,

752
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Speaker 1: what was your overall impression and breakdown at Jaris Walker.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the main number one thing Jeff was that three

754
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Speaker 8: point shot. And I think he really benefited that first

755
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 8: year from playing in the G League because that's where

756
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Speaker 8: I saw his shot. His confidence and stepping into it,

757
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Speaker 8: shooting it confidently really grew and I thought that was

758
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Speaker 8: the positive that was really on display.

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Speaker 7: The challenge was just in some of his decision making.

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Speaker 8: It felt like he really started off strong and then

761
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Speaker 8: kind of petered out the rest of the game, went

762
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Speaker 8: to the went to the basket many times and didn't

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Speaker 8: finish strong or was kind of questioning out in what

764
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 8: manner he was going to finish uh, which was a

765
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Speaker 8: little bit concerning. But I think we're seeing he's one

766
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Speaker 8: of the players. We're starting to see some positives I

767
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Speaker 8: think from and now with him in the starting lineup

768
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Speaker 8: and ample opportunity given Obi Toppins concerning injury.

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Speaker 7: Right now, he's got to take advantage.

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Speaker 5: One more Scott, and we'll let you go. I believe

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Speaker 5: the next time we talked to you it will be

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Speaker 5: after Miles Turner makes his return to Indiana. What type

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Speaker 5: of reception do you expect and do we where should

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Speaker 5: we How should we remember Miles Turner? If that makes sense?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the first of all, a guy that

776
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Speaker 8: has that has been there through and through, that was

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Speaker 8: the biggest jokester, prankster UH that embraced the rookie duties.

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00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 7: And then happily was the one that was handing them out.

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 8: I think he was a guy that was the backbone

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Speaker 8: of the defense so many times, especially and kind of

781
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Speaker 8: like the twenty twenty twenty twenty one when the defense

782
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 8: was atrocious and they purposely filtered defenders to him at

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Speaker 8: the rim, but also a wildly complicated guy, a guy

784
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Speaker 8: that was fiercely loyal. The most complicated thing to me

785
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 8: and all this was he was seemingly fiercely loyal to

786
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Speaker 8: his teammates and this team and everything, and then how

787
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Speaker 8: easily this decision to move on was. Now, if it's

788
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Speaker 8: purely from a money standpoint, I think we can all

789
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Speaker 8: understand when he got basically double what the.

790
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Speaker 7: Pacers offer James.

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Speaker 8: But on the other side of that, there were so

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Speaker 8: many good years. I think back to him hosting Turner's

793
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Speaker 8: Block and really embracing the community as a guy, as

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Speaker 8: an eighteen year old, lengthy kid that people were questioning

795
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 8: his running style and had they had to commission a study.

796
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Speaker 8: So for him, I think he's going to hear all

797
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Speaker 8: the booze in the world because I think fans and

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00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 8: the team felt like, despite last year's run, he took

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Speaker 8: the took a road out and didn't want to come back,

800
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Speaker 8: and that badly hurt them to the point that James,

801
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 8: we're still waiting on the first teammate to wish.

802
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Speaker 7: Him well publicly.

803
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Speaker 8: So it's a it's a complicated return, but I'm thinking

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Speaker 8: it'll it'll mostly be boozed because fans were blindsided by

805
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 8: this decision.

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Speaker 5: Do you think when they boo him, he'll just think

807
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Speaker 5: about the money, because I would.

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00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think given the length of time, given the fact

810
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Speaker 8: that he was just a kid, basically a teenager, it

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Speaker 8: was it's you know, he's spent half his life Indiana.

812
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 8: He chose to live downtown, so it's not like he

813
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 8: was on the suburbs either. I think it's a much

814
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Speaker 8: more emotional, and understandably so because of the ten years here.

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Speaker 3: Always going to talk to you, Scott.

816
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Speaker 1: Have a great Thursday, big couple of games coming up.

817
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Speaker 1: We got a Commission Cup game against Atlanta tomorrow, and.

818
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: Then you have what we doing I know, right, and then.

819
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Speaker 1: You've got Steph Curry on Saturday night and then the

820
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Speaker 1: return of Myles Turner on Monday.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be busy over there at the field House.

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Speaker 7: Yep. Absolutely, I wouldn't want it any other way.

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Speaker 1: Step by step only, but a goodie right there.

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Speaker 2: Mark Dacton, Man, oh man, what a show that was?

825
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Speaker 3: Such time did you spend rounding all these up?

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Speaker 2: I just remember that show. Big fan of the sisters

827
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Speaker 2: in that show. Suzanne Summers got it done as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's a good looking family here.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, what was your favorite TV show of all

830
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: growing up?

831
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Speaker 3: Kevin?

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Speaker 6: Oh boy, I watched a lot of Nickelodeon. I mean

833
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Speaker 6: we've gone over several of them today. I mean I

834
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Speaker 6: watched a lot of Hey Arnold, a lot of Rocket Power,

835
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Speaker 6: Stoop Kids trying to get up to stup Kid A great,

836
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Speaker 6: great one there, Mark what I say, saved by the

837
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Speaker 6: Bell earlier. I feel like I watched a lot of

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Speaker 6: Family Matters. Yeah, Marcus covered it beautifully these last two days.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, James, was streaming stuff or online stuff

840
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Speaker 1: more popular when you were, like in high school, middle

841
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: school than just regular TV shows?

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Speaker 3: What was your recollection there? When did it change?

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Speaker 5: I want to say it was probably when I was

844
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: in college, when streaming kind of became a big thing

845
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 5: in my own life. I'm gonna get my first Netflix subscription.

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Speaker 5: Maybe when I was a freshman of sophomore and for

847
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: the most part throughout high school and middle school, you

848
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 5: watch whatever on TV, whatever time it came on. If

849
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Speaker 5: you missed it, that is what it is. And I

850
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Speaker 5: think I want to say, like DVRs and all that

851
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 5: were kind of TVO yeah, yeah, on the move or whatever,

852
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: so you could record things, but nah, you couldn't just

853
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 5: pull up and watch whatever. And honestly, I kind of

854
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 5: miss some of that stuff because I remember watching every

855
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 5: single Bulls game growing up because it was on local television,

856
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: whereas now I think Chicago's similar to how it is

857
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: with the Pacers, where they have like the streaming subscription,

858
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: so you have to pay to watch the Bulls. And

859
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Speaker 5: I still I love my guys with Red Fandel Sports

860
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 5: and what they do, but just the over we're all

861
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Speaker 5: circus that you have to go through sometimes to watch

862
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 5: your local team still bugs me.

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Speaker 2: It does bother me too with all that, because like

864
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: you have to have like your own the own app

865
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Speaker 2: for the service, so it's like you can't even watch

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Speaker 2: like regular TV.

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Speaker 4: And I was doing with that last night.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like you're kind of like, I don't really

869
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Speaker 2: want to do that, so then it's like it kind

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Speaker 2: of defeats the purpose because I don't want to have

871
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Speaker 2: to go to a separate app when I want to

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Speaker 2: watch something.

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Speaker 5: Here, I'm miss being able to hit like the last button, yeah,

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Speaker 5: the TV and going from channel to channel back and forth.

875
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: I couldn't do that last night.

876
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: I've got to go back home.

877
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 5: Yes, a series on my phone and then like the

878
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 5: Pacers the game on my TV.

879
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: So all right, let's check in on the Pacers and

880
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: specifically the Milwaukee Bucks. The Return of One Miles Turner

881
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: will come on Monday night over at the field House

882
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: and we check in with our intrepid athletic reporter, reporter

883
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: who covers the Milwaukee Bucks, and that would be Eric

884
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: name who joined us on the the Payless Liokers hotline

885
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: right now and Eric h. You know, we we heard

886
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: some podcast stuff from Miles turn in the last day

887
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: or two and it sounds like at the end of

888
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: the day it wasn't just about the money, although it

889
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: was a much better offer I was like from the Bucks,

890
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: but at the last minute, maybe the Pacers kind of

891
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: changed direction on Miles Turner.

892
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: What are you picking up on that right now?

893
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean talking to Miles at the you know

894
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 9: that training camp in Miami.

895
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 7: The Bucks took a.

896
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 9: Trip down there. Yeah. To me, it really has felt

897
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 9: like throughout all of this that when Miles left to

898
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 9: go on vacation to go to Hawaii, I think he

899
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 9: thought he was going to be a pacer. Like I

900
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 9: thought talking to him that he thought at some point

901
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 9: his agent was going to call him and say, hey,

902
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 9: here's the deal. We're going back to Indiana, and Miles

903
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 9: was gonna be pretty happy with it. And it just

904
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 9: seems like that that offer from the Pacers never came,

905
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 9: or the offer that he was hoping to get from

906
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 9: the Pacers never came, and the Bucks obviously swooped in

907
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 9: and had a larger offer. To me, that still feels

908
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 9: like most of it. Maybe, you know, you try to

909
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 9: figure out how many answers the paints were given or

910
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 9: not given, But to me, it just felt like from

911
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 9: the start it wasn't the number that you know, Miles

912
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 9: was expecting, and I think that led to him thinking

913
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 9: about going somewhere else.

914
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 6: Eric named does excellent work on the Milwaukee Bucks feat

915
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 6: for the Athletic Keys with us here on the Payloff

916
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: Stickers hotline. Eric, just to put numbers behind that, I

917
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 6: want to give our audience a little bit of I

918
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 6: guess numerical value best, you know, three years for sixty

919
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 6: six million was the Pacers offer, and then what was it?

920
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 6: Four for one oh seven is what he ended up

921
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 6: getting from Milwaukee.

922
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, he gets four ends up being one oh eight

923
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 9: point nine in Milwaukee, But yeah, three sixty six is

924
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 9: the best I've heard from the painters side of things.

925
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 6: How would you again, it's October thirtieth, We've played what

926
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 6: three four games of basketball this season, but the raw

927
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 6: numbers would say some rough shooting for Miles early on.

928
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 6: How would you describe the experience for him individually?

929
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 9: Early? I think overall the team would like him to

930
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 9: shoot more. And I know that's a strange thing for

931
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 9: me to say when you know he's shooting thirty one

932
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 9: percent from the field, he's shooting twenty two point seven

933
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 9: percent from three. But you kind of look at all

934
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 9: these games and the thing everyone kind of remarks on is,

935
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 9: you know, they just need him to be looking for

936
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 9: a shot and to be aggressive and to shoot the

937
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 9: shots that are there when they're open. I think you

938
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 9: go back to you know two or yeah, Tuesday's game

939
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 9: against the Knicks, there's there's two in particular. I was

940
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 9: shocked that he didn't shoot. They both ended up being

941
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 9: assists to better shooters, and like, it's nice that that's

942
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 9: a play, But you know, I had asked Doc specifically

943
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 9: about it, and there's one of the third quarter Miles

944
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 9: of the wide open corner three. He passes it up

945
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 9: to throw a pass back behind his back to the

946
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 9: corner that he just vacated to Ryan Rollins, who's to

947
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 9: Ryan Rolinds credited, you know, like a forty four percent

948
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 9: three point shooter, and he knocked it down and he

949
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 9: had it going and and it was good that Miles

950
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 9: is feeding them. And you know, my my talk to

951
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 9: Doc about after the game, Doctor was like I wanted

952
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 9: to kill him, like we need him to shoot. But

953
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 9: it talks kind of to how selfless Miles can be

954
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 9: at times where he knew Ryan Rollins had it going,

955
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 9: so he made an extra pass and he made an

956
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 9: extra play. Once it went in, I was happy, But

957
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 9: at the time I wanted to kill him because you know,

958
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 9: he's got to take these shots, like that's that's got

959
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 9: to be something that we get from him. And I

960
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 9: think when you you kind of talked to Miles, I

961
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 9: think he's still trying to figure out, uh, you know,

962
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 9: how to insert himself into the game plan, uh, and

963
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 9: how to find his shots. What are his shots? When

964
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 9: does he need to take those shots? I think he's

965
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 9: struggling a little bit with that, but uh, you know

966
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 9: what he does instead of taking those shots is make

967
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 9: an extra pass or try to get someone else open.

968
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 9: So it's not a thing where players are up set

969
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 9: with him because of what he ends up doing, because it's,

970
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 9: you know, trying to help the team. But I do

971
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 9: think overall they're like, dude, you got to shoot, Like

972
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 9: we're gonna need you to shoot, And that's kind of

973
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 9: been an interesting thing to watch through four games.

974
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 8: Eric.

975
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 5: I'm sure that flight is probably already if it's a

976
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 5: flight or a drive or whatever, it's probably already booked

977
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 5: from Monday. So I'll see you over a gamer field

978
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 5: house when Miles returns. But as far as what the

979
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 5: Bucks did to acquire Miles, do you think that weighs

980
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 5: on him at all? Knowing that they did something I

981
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 5: was kind of impressed in it, and waiving a future

982
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer and stretching his remaining millions and millions

983
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 5: of dollars to acquire you, and also knowing you're joining

984
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: a future Hall of Famer whose future is in the

985
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 5: balance of whatever you all do this season.

986
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's interesting. I don't get the sense that he

987
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 9: thinks about Damian Lillard at all, or the move that

988
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 9: was made to make it possible to acquire him. I

989
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 9: don't think he thinks about that part at all. I

990
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 9: think that's something that John Horse has to think about

991
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 9: every day and sleep with at night, that you know,

992
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 9: there's twenty two and a half million down the books

993
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 9: and dead money for the next five years. I think

994
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 9: that's more of a administrative thing. I think what weighs

995
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 9: on Miles is literally just the fact that he spent

996
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 9: ten years in Indiana. Like, you know, when I had

997
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 9: done my you know it one on one interview with

998
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 9: him that we put out on you know, during the

999
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 9: season opener, I did think it was noteworthy that I

1000
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 9: didn't bring up going back to Indiana. I didn't bring

1001
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 9: up the date. I didn't bring up any of that,

1002
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 9: and Miles, off the top of his I was able

1003
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 9: to rattle off November third, and it was like, oh, okay,

1004
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 9: I I'm a little worried about I don't know, like

1005
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 9: the homecoming aspect of it, Like, I don't know, I

1006
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 9: don't know how people in Indiana will react. I do

1007
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 9: think there's you know, as more details have come out

1008
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 9: about it, I think maybe there could be some pacers

1009
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 9: fans that don't love how much he was offered, and

1010
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 9: maybe it wasn't enough. But I also know that every

1011
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 9: night there are Pacers fans in my mentions on Twitter

1012
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 9: screenshotting his box score and sending it around and showing

1013
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 9: how little Miles Turner does.

1014
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 7: So that's and those could just see bad apples, right.

1015
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 9: Like, I'm not here to say what the reaction will

1016
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 9: be on Monday, but I do know that that was

1017
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 9: a place he loved, right like he was there for

1018
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 9: a decade. That's when he learned. I mean essentially, like

1019
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 9: you from college, you go to a new place and

1020
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 9: you learn how to you know, become a man, you

1021
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 9: build a family, like you do all of those things.

1022
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 9: So there's a lot of love there and I am

1023
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 9: very very very very very curious to see what the

1024
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 9: reaction will be on Monday.

1025
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 5: Well, Eric is someone who can see the future. I

1026
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 5: can guarantee you this. They will boo that man.

1027
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, Eric, I would expect a

1028
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 6: large amount of boots based off and just a again,

1029
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 6: I'm relaying info from our listeners. I think the phrase

1030
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 6: of go where you're celebrated, I think that really rubbed

1031
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 6: the Pacers fans the wrong way. And I'm not asking

1032
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 6: you to sit here and whatever defend Miles or anything

1033
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 6: like that. I'm just relaying what I think the atmosphere

1034
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 6: will be like in there on Monday.

1035
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I don't even think I need to

1036
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 9: defend it. They get he was clearly talking about the organization.

1037
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 9: They gotta. I understand that when you say go where

1038
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 9: you're celebrated, you're going to be thinking about like the fans.

1039
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 9: But I think Miles was pretty clearly talking about an

1040
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 9: organization that didn't pay him. Is he thought he should

1041
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 9: be paid? But yeah, that's unfortunate. I think, like you know,

1042
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 9: obviously I've I've gone through many homecomings over the years,

1043
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 9: and uh, I'm I'm sad to hear that that will

1044
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 9: be the expected outcome.

1045
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 7: Eric.

1046
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: I mean, what you just explained right, there is nuance

1047
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: when you're paying for the tickets and all that.

1048
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 9: Man, very sure, for sure, I agree, I agree. It

1049
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 9: just it makes me sad because I do. I do

1050
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 9: really think it's it's kind of I think one of

1051
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 9: the things that is so kind of incredible to me

1052
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 9: about Miles over the years is that obviously I wasn't

1053
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 9: in Indiana, right I only hear from you know, league

1054
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 9: source about what's going on in Indiana, and man, every

1055
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 9: trade deadlineer was like, Oh, they're about to trade them,

1056
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 9: They're about to trade them, They're about to trade them.

1057
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 9: And then man, like at that moment when they're going

1058
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 9: to the finals and Miles is on the mic, like

1059
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 9: that was so cool, Like that was so cool that

1060
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 9: he got to like have that moment after ten years

1061
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 9: of trade rumors and you're thinking, like, all right, this

1062
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 9: is great. The franchise is in a place that hasn't

1063
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 9: been before, or it hasn't been in a while, Like

1064
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 9: this is so cool. He's getting to like he will

1065
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 9: solidify himself in the Indiana and then it doesn't happen,

1066
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 9: and now this man's getting booed. It's gonna be that's crazy,

1067
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 9: but I understand it. Like that. That is how how

1068
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 9: fan base is and fans operate.

1069
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: It's okay, Eric is always thanks for stopping by. We

1070
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: appreciate your time, and maybe we'll all catch up on Monday.

1071
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1072
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 9: I can't wait, So don't get