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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday. Later, industrial

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Speaker 1: psychologists Doctor Edwin Nichols will be back in that classroom. Now,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Nichols will he will use his expertise and explain

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Speaker 1: why the official House of Will aspects I can't speak

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Speaker 1: this morning of cultural differences. Before doctor Nichols, o DC

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Speaker 1: activists and journalist Brother Obi will preview a program for

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Speaker 1: Kwame Teray Momentaro the Friends of the Congos. Paul Pumphrey

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Speaker 1: will join us. But first let's get Kevin to open

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Speaker 1: the classroom doors. Its hum day, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson the Carl Nelson Show University

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Speaker 2: doors are officially open. After I get ready to get set,

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Speaker 2: We're going to learn a lot. Hey Carl, So how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, brother, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: They say that learning leads to peace, and peace leads

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Speaker 2: to here. I am, yeah, yeah, exactly, And so it's

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Speaker 2: another day. It's like I said, the Wednesday of the

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Speaker 2: twelfth of November. As the monk continues to go on,

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Speaker 2: airlines are still being canceled, and they say airlines are

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Speaker 2: expected to cancel six percent of their flights at forty

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Speaker 2: of the busiest airports in the United States and to

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Speaker 2: comply with an order from the Federal Aviation Administration amid

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Speaker 2: the government's shutdown. Because now, speaking of the shutdown, the

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Speaker 2: House now has it right, this is day forty three

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Speaker 2: of the shutdown. A vote in the House could bring

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Speaker 2: the impass to an end. And one more thing about that.

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Speaker 2: The House of Representatives is expected to approve the bill

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Speaker 2: and it extends funding levels for the government through January thirtieth,

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Speaker 2: which includes a trio of appropriation bills for some federal

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Speaker 2: programs like Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program also known as SNAP

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Speaker 2: through number thirtieth. Payments for SNAP, which provides food assistance

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Speaker 2: to nearly forty two million people, have been locked in

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Speaker 2: a court fight as a result of the shutdown. Any

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Speaker 2: thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: Car, Yeah, when you just said that until January, I don't

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Speaker 1: just have a feeling we're going to go through this

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Speaker 1: again in January. I don't know why I get that feeling.

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Speaker 1: What day January is? Is it the end of January?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: January thirty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just around the corner, you know, right right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just feel we're going to go through this all

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Speaker 1: over again coming January. Oh you probably have a different outcome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because this was the longest shutdown in history.

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Speaker 4: Right it sure is?

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Speaker 2: Man forty three days and you've got that kind of

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Speaker 2: a feeling. How are you feeling about the Powerball nine

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars?

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Speaker 4: You've got a number for Risco.

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Speaker 1: I wish let me ask you this if you if

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you played, but I didn't play,

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Speaker 1: But if you played and you won, would you quit

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Speaker 1: your job?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I've asked myself that many times.

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Speaker 2: Not only would I not quit my job, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: tell people like one nine hundred million dollars either.

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Speaker 4: But all of its.

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Speaker 1: Hard to hide though, Kevin, I know, I know you

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Speaker 1: couldna be a new car, new clothes, flashy and look and.

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Speaker 2: Look, newsflash. I would start with a brand new watch.

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Speaker 2: You know it was a real nice watch. It's just

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Speaker 2: so that people who know and no watches would know.

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, where'd you get that cartier? You see

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But it would be subtle changes like that.

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Speaker 4: Is what it would be. You know.

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Speaker 1: All right, family folks at the station. Now you see

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Speaker 1: Kevin with a new watch. He's got an expensive not

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Speaker 1: of all my watch, right, Mickey mouse watch. He's got

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Speaker 1: a brand new watch, and that a new rolex, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, and not that typical rolex, not the one for

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Speaker 2: sports you know where they it has the timer on it,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I guess me, Kevin, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to stuff like that, I see people buy knockoffs

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Speaker 1: fake rolex. Why would you? Why would you? I asked

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Speaker 4: It's because Snoop dog Snoop Dogg told him.

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Speaker 2: I got a roller over my arm and I'm drinking

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Speaker 2: what is it gen Dome or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you can't have the real thing, why

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Speaker 1: That's not me. But you know, and this guy was

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Speaker 1: They thought it was a real wine. Well, as long

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Speaker 1: as it makes you feel good, that's the point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably made him feel well.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of feeling good, the the Democratic Socialist mayor,

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Speaker 2: according to News One, if the phrase Muslim Democratic socialists

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Speaker 2: is the accelerant to an explosion, they say this time,

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Speaker 2: over Zaran Kwame Mandani, the Ugandan born, South African raised

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Speaker 2: Queen's Bread Muslim Democratic socialists say that five times real quick,

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Speaker 2: who has been elected mayor of New York City. The

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Speaker 2: pundit class that spent years fear mongering about affirmative action,

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Speaker 2: victory is their nightmare.

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Speaker 4: You know. He's got brown skin, African name, Muslim.

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Speaker 2: Faith, socialist politics, and perhaps most scandalous of all, he

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Speaker 2: if I'm saying that correctly, and that's the college out

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Speaker 2: of Maine founded in seventeen ninety four from what do

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Speaker 4: Do we teer? Do we keep an eye on this guy?

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Speaker 1: He's there, He's a nightmare. Everything they despise so embodied

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Speaker 1: in one person. And he's the mayor, Mary elect, you'll

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Speaker 1: be the mayor of the nation's biggest city. So that's

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Speaker 1: what's that's what's frightening to them.

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Speaker 4: They say, he's.

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Speaker 1: He won the lot of he did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, he's too They say he's too woke, too global,

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Speaker 4: So I guess the only thing he didn't win is

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Speaker 4: Man of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Yet, right, that's probably down the road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, a man born in Uganda, raised partly

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Speaker 2: And they don't see the promise of a racial democracy.

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Speaker 2: They see the death of their dominance. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess they just isn't America great? Only in America?

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Speaker 1: Don King?

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Speaker 2: Don King was exactly man. So that's all all the

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Speaker 2: time I take from you. And it's again the twelfth

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Speaker 2: of November, and we've got your illustrious guests standing by

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Speaker 2: an old friend of mine and yours from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin, Thank you, carl family. Let's bring in Paul

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Speaker 1: Pumphrey Grand Rising. Paul, Welcome to the.

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Speaker 6: Program, good boy, happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Paul is a member of French of the Congo, which

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Speaker 1: on About Africa with Kevin. Mama Charlie. How did you

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Speaker 1: the French of the Congo. How did that come about?

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Speaker 6: Well, it came about the fact that I pay a

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Speaker 6: lot of attentions about what's happening in other parts of

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Speaker 6: And then I looked at why were they being killed?

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Speaker 6: And the Congo happens to be an area, the second

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Speaker 6: largest country in the continent of Africa. It's located right

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Speaker 6: those minerals are located. And I, being a product of

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Speaker 6: work with the different movements out of Southern Africa, the

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Speaker 6: And as with the Part eight, the US businesses in

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Speaker 6: the US government was very much involved in what was

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Speaker 6: And so there is a real need for the people

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Speaker 6: of the United States I understand what's going on, because

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Speaker 6: you're not going to stop what's happening if you don't

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Speaker 6: know what's happening. If you don't know you have cancer,

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Speaker 6: you're not going to make an effort to do something

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Speaker 6: about your cancer. So we decided to create this nonprofit

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Speaker 6: to do this educational campaign around the Congo and to

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Speaker 6: that the US government and its corporations are playing a

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Speaker 6: for the minerals that they happen to live on top

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Speaker 6: of us. And you find that the only.

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Speaker 1: Right there Paul at fourteen at that's out there family

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Speaker 1: just waking up. As Paul Pumphras is a member of

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Speaker 6: Yes, And speaking of the Roman in the Jungle. Back

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Speaker 1: And you see the first second, hold thought right there,

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the main reason is that US corporations

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Speaker 6: they don't make bullets. Where they're coming from. These weapons

438
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 6: are coming from developed countries like that of the United

439
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 6: States and Europe. And why are they getting these weapons?

440
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 6: And like where did they get the money to buy

441
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 6: all these weapons? I mean they're nowhere near any ocean

442
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: where someone could shift the stuff into them. And they're

443
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 6: not made the equipment. Those weapons aren't made in the

444
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 6: United I mean made in Africa. So obviously it means

445
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 6: that these weapons are being supplied from US and European

446
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 6: countries that I've been used to carry out the massive slaughter.

447
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 6: I know. I was in the eastern part of the

448
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 6: Congo just last year, and while I was there, I

449
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 6: was in a town called Goma. Well, at the time

450
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Speaker 6: I was there, the m twenty three was on his

451
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 6: march towards Goma, and after I left, about three weeks later,

452
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Speaker 6: they took over Goma. And when they took it over

453
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Speaker 6: UN peacekeeping forces in Goma. Interestingly enough, the United States

454
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Speaker 6: uses its vital power at the UN Security Council to

455
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Speaker 6: make sure that the UN peacekeepers cannot use their weapons

456
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Speaker 6: to protect the lives of women, children, and men in

457
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Speaker 6: the Congo. The only time they can use their weapons

458
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Speaker 6: is if these external forces are shooting directly at the

459
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Speaker 6: UN forces, then they can use their weapons to protect themselves,

460
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Speaker 6: but not the people of the Congo. And one has

461
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Speaker 6: to ask the question why would the United States use

462
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Speaker 6: its vital power in the Security Council to put that

463
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Speaker 6: restriction in there. If they're supposed to be peacekeepers, then

464
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 6: one would assume the way they be peacekeepers is to

465
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Speaker 6: in fact protect the people of the Congo, because that's

466
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Speaker 6: where they are and said they're only using their weapons

467
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 6: to protect themselves if they are directly threatened themselves. And

468
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 6: so when they took over M twenty three took over Goma.

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Speaker 6: Three of the peacekeepers from South Africa under UN Peacekeeping Force.

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Speaker 7: Were killed.

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Speaker 6: And the city of over one and a half million

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Speaker 6: people Goma. And why is that city hit such a

473
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Speaker 6: large population because many of the people living in that

474
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Speaker 6: city where people who have been displaced from their homes

475
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Speaker 6: in the community surrounding Goma by these same forces. And

476
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Speaker 6: you have the United States using our tax dollars to

477
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Speaker 6: supply weapons to countries like Uganda, like we wander who

478
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 6: have close working relationships and often find that their troops

479
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 6: are working hand in hand with M twenty three as

480
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 6: they invade the mentally rich area of the eastern part

481
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Speaker 6: of the Congo. And so we say, people of the

482
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Speaker 6: United States, you need to understand how our tax dollars

483
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 6: are being spent. They're demtum Island. They're telling us that, oh,

484
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 6: we don't have money, and we got to cut back

485
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Speaker 6: on healthcare, and we got to cut back on aid

486
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Speaker 6: to the universities and colleges here, which drives up tuition. No,

487
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 6: we need to pay attention to how our tax dollars

488
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Speaker 6: are being spent in the Department of Defense. When we

489
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 6: look at our national budget, about fifty percent of every

490
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Speaker 6: tax dollar that people pay in this country to the

491
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: federal government goes to the Department of Defense, and so

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Speaker 6: the question has to be asked, how is it that

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Speaker 6: we have our Department of Defense sending weapons to Bwanda,

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Speaker 6: sending weapons to Uganda when they're carrying out wars of

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Speaker 6: aggression against the people of the Congo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, Yeah, these are questions we need to answer.

497
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Speaker 1: But you know what, we got to step aside real

498
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: quick and get caught up with the latest news, trafficking,

499
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: weather in our different cities. It's twenty four minutes away

500
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: from the top day. Our family just waking up with us.

501
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's Paul Humphrey. Paul is part of the

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Speaker 1: group called the Friends of the Congo. He's telling us

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the Congo, also giving us some history. Paul,

504
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Speaker 1: when we get back, can you please tell the folks

505
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: about Purtise la Mumba. I mean a lot of people

506
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: know the name, they've heard the name, they mentioned the

507
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: name they don't know and they some people know about

508
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: his demise, but they don't know what really happened all

509
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: of that. So if you can share that with us

510
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: when we get back so people understand really what you're

511
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: talking about. The fight is for the minerals in I'm looking, yeah,

512
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: the fight is for the minerals in the Congo. Twenty

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Speaker 1: three away for the top of the out Fami. I'm

514
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: distracted here, but we got to step away for a

515
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: few moments. If you want to get in on this conversation,

516
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: reach out to us eight hundred and four to five

517
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

518
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: calls after the news that's next and Grand Rising family,

519
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning

520
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: at seventeen minutes away from the top of the hour.

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00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's Paul Pumphrey. Paul is a member of

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Speaker 1: the group the Friends of the Congo. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Congo in Africa, the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to the olymbits, remind you. Coming

525
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: up later this morning, we're going to be joined by

526
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Speaker 1: doctor Ed Nichols. Doctor Ed Nichols is an industrial psychologist.

527
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: He's going to share his expertise on the philosophical aspects

528
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: of cultural differences. Before we get to doctor Nicholson, brother

529
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Obie's an activist and a journalist in Washington, DC is

530
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: going to preview a program for kwameteray and tomorrow Sima TAPS.

531
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Speaker 1: Doctor James McIntosh will be here along with clinical psychiatrist

532
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: doctor jerome E. Fox. So if you are in Baltimore,

533
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: make sure your radio is locked in tight on ten

534
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: ten WLB, or if you're on the DMV, run it

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00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: AM fourteen fifteen WL. So Paul before we take caff Field,

536
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Speaker 1: because it's I think it's important that people know the

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00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: story about Patrice Lamumas. Can you share that with us

538
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: before it can cause.

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00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 6: Okay? Patrishul Mumu was a postal worker in the Congo

540
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Speaker 6: and the fervor of pushing for independence from control over

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Speaker 6: the Belgiums. And I talked earlier about King Leopold. When

542
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 6: the story got out around the world that King Liopol

543
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 6: was responsible for killing over thirteen million Congolese, the solution

544
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 6: that was given was not that to take the King

545
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Speaker 6: of Belgium out from controlling the local politics of the Congo,

546
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Speaker 6: but to turn over the control of the Congo to

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Speaker 6: the government of Belgium. Chi was king, of of course,

548
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 6: continually the lobver and other raw materials out of the

549
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 6: Congo was still going to the same companies that were

550
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 6: using them around the world, and the people began to

551
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 6: get organized, in which Patrisse La Mumber was head of

552
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 6: one of the organizations, the mobilizing the conomists people to

553
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 6: demand that they be allowed to control their own country

554
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 6: and not have a European country thousands of miles away

555
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 6: making all the major decisions about which happened to their country.

556
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 6: As that movement built, Belgium was forced to have an

557
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 6: election to decide whether or not the people themselves wanted

558
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Speaker 6: to have independence from Belgium, and then would they decide that,

559
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 6: but also would decide who would they want to hit

560
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 6: that new government, and overwhelmingly Patrice Lamumber was voted in

561
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Speaker 6: as the first elected Prime Minister of Belgium. Now, immediately

562
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Speaker 6: after he wins this election, he makes it very clear

563
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Speaker 6: that he does not want external governments controlling the domestic

564
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 6: policies of the Congo. But he had a small problem,

565
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 6: and the problem was that the under the Belgian government,

566
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Speaker 6: very few people in the country of the Congo. Now

567
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: remember this is the second launch of the country in Africa. Today,

568
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 6: very few people had actually even gone through college. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I understand it was somewhere close to like six to

570
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 6: eight Congolese out of the millions of people in that

571
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 6: country had actually even gone to college. And so he

572
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 6: moved forward to push again that the country cut its

573
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Speaker 6: ties from having the Belgian military and the Belgian government

574
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Speaker 6: making the major decisions of the country, and that the

575
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Speaker 6: country had to stop making its own decisions. Now patrisa mumbo.

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Speaker 6: In his study, Bud had seen a copy of the

577
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Speaker 6: US Constitution and he's like, oh, this looks like a

578
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Speaker 6: good example of what we need to do. So he

579
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Speaker 6: made his first appeal to the US government for their

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Speaker 6: assistance in helping the Congolese people set up a government

581
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Speaker 6: similar to the one here in the United States as

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Speaker 6: he understood it from what he could read and looking

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Speaker 6: at the Constitution. Well, the US ambassador wanted no parts

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Speaker 6: of that, and so since he could not work through

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Speaker 6: the US ambassador, he literally chartered a plane and flew

586
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Speaker 6: to Washington, d C. To meet directly with the US

587
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Speaker 6: president at that time, it was Osenhower in his last

588
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Speaker 6: year in office. Well, Eisenhower refused to meet with him

589
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 6: and had him meet with some lower level people in

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Speaker 6: the State Department, and being frustrated, he then left the

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Speaker 6: cock to the Congo. And as he went back to

592
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Speaker 6: the Congo, there were a number of attempts inside the

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Speaker 6: Congo to get these quote unquote unruly Congolese who wanted

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Speaker 6: their independence to actually follow the instructions of the Belgians

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Speaker 6: and the US government soldiers. At the same time, Katango,

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Speaker 6: which is in the southern part of the Congo, which

597
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 6: had the uranium and the copper belt on the Congo,

598
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Speaker 6: they encouraged the people living in that region to ask

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Speaker 6: for independence away from the Congo because at the time

600
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Speaker 6: that was a major industry of raw materials that was needed.

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Speaker 6: That was of copper and of uranium. As I mentioned earlier,

602
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Speaker 6: the uranium used in the atom ball.

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Speaker 1: Give us a short version, you're going to go real

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Speaker 1: deep on it, Okay.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, so what happened, what ended up happening was that, yes,

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Speaker 6: what ended up happening was he put Patrica Mumba on

607
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Speaker 6: the house arrest. He escaped out of house arrest and

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00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 6: they caught him. And when they caught him, they then

609
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Speaker 6: decided they had to get rid of him, so they

610
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Speaker 6: threw him over to the southern part of the Congo

611
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Speaker 6: and killed him, And not only did they killed him

612
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Speaker 6: and two of his top leaders, but they decided that

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Speaker 6: they wanted no evidence of even his remains to be

614
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Speaker 6: found inside the Congo, so they none killed him, but

615
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Speaker 6: they then chopped up his body and put his body

616
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Speaker 6: into a barrel of acid so that there would be

617
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Speaker 6: no memorial place that the Congolse people could come and

618
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Speaker 6: even get inspiration to again to push for the independence

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Speaker 6: that was pushed under his leadership. And so that's what happened.

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Speaker 6: And then the United States played a major role not

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Speaker 6: only in the killing of him, but also in choosing

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Speaker 6: his successor, which was a gentleman by the name of

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Speaker 6: Mbutu who was a sergeant in the old Congolese Belgian army,

624
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Speaker 6: and made him president for over thirty some years. And

625
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 6: the major aid the United States gave Abutu was military

626
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Speaker 6: aid to control the people of the Congo from challenging

627
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 6: the colluption that was happening inside the country. And of course,

628
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Speaker 6: during that time, billions of dollars of diamonds, billions of

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Speaker 6: dollars of popper, billions of dollars worth of uranium was

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Speaker 6: leaving the country, and very little that was being used

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Speaker 6: to benefit the lives of the people of the Congo,

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Speaker 6: and so to.

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Speaker 1: Nine away from the top there, I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be the long version because we're don't have

635
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Speaker 1: time for all of that. As I mentioned Snine away

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Speaker 1: from the top them be it's holding from Atlanta. Once

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Speaker 1: you get in, all this conversation is online too, Grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: being you're on the Paul Pumphrey.

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Speaker 5: Grand Rise and blah blah call Grand Rising Paul. Hopefully,

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Speaker 5: if everyone's doing well and the answers extense around both

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Speaker 5: of you, all My question is, as I to hear

642
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Speaker 5: my elders speak, do you have blah blah Paul, do

643
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Speaker 5: you feel like this a momentous task for us as

644
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 5: Africans here? And I call African Americans stole Africans many times,

645
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 5: these tasks are so momentous, and the energies to shift

646
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: them take generations. And when I look at what's going

647
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: on in the Motherland for over there, it's like we

648
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 5: fight on one side to remove the imperiless. However they're

649
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: on the other side there here the imperialists put leaders

650
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: that look like us, but controlled by whiteness. So it's

651
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: a tug of war. Also when we have our brothers

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00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 5: and sisters that come here since they don't understand the

653
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Speaker 5: system of white supremacy, and as our elder nearly for

654
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Speaker 5: Queen Mother Francis taught us, they adopt sometimes DoPT that mentality.

655
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 5: So they vote for Trump, which Trump is pro all

656
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 5: the mining companies.

657
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 7: They vote for Reagan.

658
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 5: So so, just studying it and setting at the feet

659
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 5: of my elders, it seems like it's come to this

660
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: tugging war where we want in say, hey, let's get

661
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 5: rid of Cia, Let's get rid of that leader. And

662
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 5: you may have people over here that come when I

663
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 5: was to come over here, they adapt addicted to whiteness

664
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Speaker 5: and they don't understand the true understanding. Now those as

665
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 5: you say, still on the congo fighting and understand it.

666
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Speaker 5: But say once they get here, it almost you do

667
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 5: a time war. And it just seems history it has

668
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 5: always been this tug of war. We're filing hey, because

669
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Speaker 5: I got a kind of these grand that voted for Trump,

670
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: and he said Trump gonna be good for business. And

671
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 5: I'm looking at it and I'm talking. I'm telling about

672
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 5: the book White Malices, and he I'm telling no, And

673
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 5: we kind of back and forth like well it would

674
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 5: be good, and it just you be understanding like wow, Like, so,

675
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 5: how can a people shift? How can I just plainly

676
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 5: simply say it. If you don't handle the work in

677
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 5: your house, how can I come in your house? If

678
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: you don't clean the dirt in your house? How can

679
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 5: I come and clean the dirt in your house if

680
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 5: you don't want the dirt remove? And I know that

681
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 5: don't speak for all kinds of leaders. I'm talk about

682
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: those who over here. It's come to this shift and

683
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 5: it's a spiritual, psychologist biological shift. I mean fight. I

684
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 5: could constantly hear that on this radio. We on this side,

685
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: so like, hell, that's wrong, get rid of with system

686
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 5: white supremacy. But we me and you bah Blahkarl cannot

687
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 5: control those leaders that make these deals and as bah

688
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 5: Blah calls say, that make deals that other people controlled resource.

689
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 5: So like, is this a momentous tad that we should

690
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 5: not be fighting or we should be helping those understand

691
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 5: who really run it, not us? I think more times

692
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 5: they may not know who really control the streams and power.

693
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Speaker 5: As we have been doing this study thin William that

694
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Speaker 5: was back in the Congo, or the fact that we

695
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 5: were fortunately w the board. We know what we're dealing with,

696
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Speaker 5: and sometimes I think they don't understand the depth the

697
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: duality of being an African in this world. So I

698
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Speaker 5: hope we have a great day.

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Speaker 1: People. Thank you, thank you for that question.

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Speaker 6: I thank you for that question. One thing you have

701
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 6: to keep in mind, and that is, no person of

702
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 6: another country comes into the United States with our first

703
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 6: getting permissioned from the United States. They can't participate. Nobody

704
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 6: from another country legally comes into the United States without

705
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 6: getting permission from the United States. So you have to

706
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Speaker 6: be questioning what kind of questions are the United States

707
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Speaker 6: asking refugees coming in from another country, especially from the Congo,

708
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Speaker 6: and which they approved them the visas to come into

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Speaker 6: the US. Secondly, you have to keep in mind that

710
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 6: there's a lot of confusion going on. For example, but

711
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Speaker 6: Trace the Moumber clearly was voted in by the majority

712
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Speaker 6: of the people of the Congo, but since he was overthrown,

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Speaker 6: that has not really been in an election that were

714
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Speaker 6: free and fair inside the Congo. I observed an election

715
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Speaker 6: in two thousand and six, and what was interesting about

716
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Speaker 6: that election was that you had the United Nations supervising

717
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Speaker 6: the election. The person who was head of the UN

718
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Speaker 6: supervision of the election in two thousand and six was

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Speaker 6: a gentleman by the name of William Swing. I encourage

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Speaker 6: you look up his name. Google his name William Swing.

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Speaker 6: Who is William Swing?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: William Swing was a US ambassador in Congo Bosville right

724
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Speaker 6: at the time Congo Bosaville had a coop to Utar.

725
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Speaker 6: Then he moved to be ambassador the US ambassador in

726
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Speaker 6: Libylia when Libylia had a coop to DeTar. Then he

727
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 6: was sent down to South Africa right before South Nelson

728
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Speaker 6: Mandela became president, in which he encouraged the white regime

729
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Speaker 6: of South Africa to spend all the money in the budget.

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Speaker 6: So when Medela gets there, he would not have money

731
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Speaker 6: to pay the military or the police, which was of

732
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Speaker 6: course the white military of South Africa and the white

733
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Speaker 6: police of South Africa, which would have meant a blood path.

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Speaker 6: So now Mandela, as he's getting ready to become president,

735
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Speaker 6: has to negotiate with international banks to get the money

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Speaker 6: to take payroll. And of course.

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Speaker 1: Right there we got to step aside and get caught

738
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Speaker 1: up in the trafficking weather. Our different cities and interesting

739
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Speaker 1: story of the family. Paul Pumphreys, I guess if he's

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Speaker 1: just wanted who's speaking. He's a member of the Friends

741
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Speaker 1: of the Congo. We're talking about the Congo this morning.

742
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Speaker 1: You want to join discussion, reach out to us at

743
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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

744
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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls after the trafficking

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Speaker 1: weather that's next and grind rising family, thanks for starting

746
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Speaker 1: your Wednesday with us. Halfway through the work with our guest,

747
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Speaker 1: Paul Pumphrey. Paul is a member of the group the

748
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Speaker 1: Friends of the Congo. He's given us a story of

749
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Speaker 1: background story about the Congo. So Paul, I'll let you

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Speaker 1: finish your story.

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Speaker 6: Oh so, basically, William Swing then becomes the ambassador in Nigeria,

752
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Speaker 6: and of course why he's in Nigeria, there's a cud deeta.

753
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Speaker 6: He leaves Nigeria, he goes to Haiti at the time

754
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Speaker 6: that President of State is being returned to Haiti from

755
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 6: the United States from the attempted cu deetal. That's when

756
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: I meet him in nineteen ninety five. And that's when

757
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 6: I found out because I asked him a simpook question

758
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 6: like both this is a history in the State Deparliament.

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Speaker 6: So I'm back in Haiti in ninety eight and I

760
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 6: asked a friend of mine, what is this guy up

761
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 6: to now that, Oh, he's not here anymore? Where is he?

762
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 6: Oh he's in the Congo And what is going on

763
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Speaker 6: in the Congo and attempted military coup They're not successful

764
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Speaker 6: because Zimbabwe, Namibia and Angola send their truths in to

765
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Speaker 6: defeat the Truce of Yuganda Mwanda in the Congo. Okay,

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Speaker 6: So he stays.

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Speaker 1: Before before was this Williamson was her brother?

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, he was an Anglo American and.

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Speaker 1: Moving around on these black countries.

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Speaker 6: You know exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's what aad Okay, that's important.

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Speaker 6: And so then so then he stays honors ambassador to

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Speaker 6: the Congo until two thousand and one January twentieth to

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Speaker 6: two thousand and one, and at that point he left

775
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Speaker 6: his post as ambassador and retired from the State Department.

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Speaker 6: But guess what, the President of the Congo was killed

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Speaker 6: on January sixteenth, two thousand and one. Now one may

778
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 6: think that this is all coincidence that just everywhere this

779
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 6: guy seems to go ahead of State is overthrown. But

780
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Speaker 6: this is the history and you can look it up.

781
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Speaker 6: His name is William Swing. Google his name and they'll

782
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Speaker 6: tell you every place he was located in the around

783
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Speaker 6: the world as an ambassador for the United States States Department. Now,

784
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Speaker 6: what is even more interesting is that in two thousand

785
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Speaker 6: and six, the Congos had an election, and so I'm

786
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Speaker 6: going over to the being international observer to the election.

787
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Speaker 6: And guess who is the head of the UN supervision

788
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Speaker 6: of the election in the Congo. William Swing.

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Speaker 1: Wow out right there, because we're just about out of time.

790
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Speaker 1: Now you get into the lead of things, Paul, We're

791
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Speaker 1: going to have to come back and pick up on

792
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Speaker 1: this story. And I got to look at this guy,

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Speaker 1: William Swing.

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Speaker 6: He moved around and here's everybody to look him up.

795
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we will, you know. And he was not

796
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: dead finding people, you know, you just walk around like that.

797
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: He couldn't blend in with the brothers on the content

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Speaker 1: or in Haiti. He stood out like that.

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Speaker 6: And well, obviously he must have been sent there for

800
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Speaker 6: specific cash to do, and that's exactly what he did.

801
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Speaker 6: If there was a government that the United States did

802
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 6: not like because they wanted certain business deals that they

803
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 6: weren't getting it seemed that his job was to go

804
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 6: down and get rid of that captain and hit state.

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Speaker 1: And he was working for the States.

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Speaker 6: That's what happened. Wow, Yes, he was sent in Bashlor.

807
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 6: He was out of the State Department. In fact, he

808
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Speaker 6: retied from the State Department. And two thousand was a

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Speaker 6: two twenty twenty one. Oh that's fine, change that two

810
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Speaker 6: thousand and one. He betis.

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Speaker 1: But there's a deal. Paul. We got to stop right

812
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: there because brother Obie's up next, and this is this

813
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: is interesting. Listen, we got to pick this up next

814
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: time you come on and talk about the friends of

815
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: the Congo to pick it up with his brother, this

816
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: dude called William swing Find you know, pick it up

817
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: the story from there. But I want to thank you

818
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: for sharing this information about the Congo. A lot of

819
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: people don't know about the Congo. Again, many came on

820
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Speaker 1: up people's radar with the Rumble in the Jungle with

821
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Speaker 1: with George Foreman and Muhammad Ali and Muhammad Ali did

822
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Speaker 1: the ropid dope. They remember that fight and that's what

823
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Speaker 1: the people think about the Congo.

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Speaker 6: So listen, let's do thiscourage everybody to please go to

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Speaker 6: our website Friends from the Congo dot org and as

826
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 6: well as free Congo dot org to get updates on

827
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Speaker 6: things that may be happening in their community. If they

828
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: can then meet folks and ask more questions about what's

829
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Speaker 6: going on in the Congo.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating study. Thank you, Paul, thank you for sharing your

831
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Speaker 1: thoughts with us. Man, let's do this again. Let's pick

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Speaker 1: it up next time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, by no, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's Paul Pumfrey from the Friends of the Congo and

835
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Speaker 1: eight after the top there I was bringing brother Obi.

836
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Speaker 1: I know he knows all about the Congo Grand Rising.

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Speaker 1: Brother Obi, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: You don't know brother girl.

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Speaker 1: Mhm, it's good. All is good, brother Obie. How about yourself?

840
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: Everything good on your end.

841
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: We wake up to serve. We wake up serving the people.

842
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: That's always a good thing. And once again we have

843
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: the Kwanmeter Ray Society on with us. We have our

844
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 3: sister Latrees Johnson.

845
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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Latrese. We're still learning. He's learning a lot.

846
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: He is learning about a guy named William Swing. But

847
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: Brother Obi, tell us about the program you have for

848
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Speaker 1: Kwame Terrae.

849
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Speaker 3: Where there's a Latrese and the Kwanmeter Ray Society are

850
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: organized in the Sovereignty Conference. So she's going to give

851
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: the backdrop on that, and then we're gonna talk specifically

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00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: about what we have going on Sunday with them, the

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00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: flame work of that. That's okay, sure, you know, we

854
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: always want to promote these young people who are here

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00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: working and I'll be a so go ahead, sister Latrice,

856
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: begin to talk to the audience about the historic conference

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Speaker 3: all I have coming up?

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Speaker 8: All right, So, the Kwames Ray Society for Africana Studies

859
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 8: is a Pan African work study group that is an

860
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 8: extension of the Afro American Studies Department at Howard University,

861
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 8: and the executive board has designed a four day Sovereignty

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00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 8: Summit beginning Tomorrow, November thirteenth, and it will primarily be

863
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 8: taking place in the Browsing Room of Founders Library. We

864
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 8: have an exciting series of panels and interactive activities that

865
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 8: are grounded in the tradition of black radicalism and Black studies.

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Speaker 8: So we'll be talking about the theoretical implications of black

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00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 8: studies as well as the practical applications, which of course

868
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Speaker 8: is to free our people and to assume political responsibility.

869
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: To detail us.

870
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: On campus. Are people aware? Are you gained a lot

871
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: of support from you know about kwameterrae alumless of Howard?

872
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: Are people encouraging? Are you seeing a lot of people

873
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: signing up to get involved in your project?

874
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

875
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 8: We have a pretty consistent general body attendance, so maybe

876
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 8: about fifteen to twenty people come to our meetings every week.

877
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 8: When it comes to events, people definitely come out. So

878
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 8: our side of event which took place about two weeks ago,

879
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 8: which we came on here and promoted, we had about

880
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 8: fifty people who came to attend, So I'd say we're

881
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 8: pretty successful.

882
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: What are the major concerns? What are they concerned about

883
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: when they talk about especially with Kwameterray. I mean, there's

884
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: so much history behind Kwameterra. What are some of the

885
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: concerns that these young people are concerned with these days?

886
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 8: I think people come to CATS wanting to understand more

887
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 8: about our history as a people. I think people come

888
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 8: to our space to read and learn more about how

889
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 8: to let's take the next steps so that we're not

890
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 8: just reinventing the wheel. I think lots of people that

891
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 8: communicate to us are frustrated with the current material conditions

892
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 8: of our people and the way that society is running.

893
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 8: So people just come in search of knowledge for how

894
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 8: to Be's take these next steps.

895
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: Do you study Brother Kwamaterray like a class study or

896
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: how does that work?

897
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 8: We do our readings based on like a voting system,

898
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 8: so if someone is interested in reading something, they can

899
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 8: kind of propose the text and then we'll all read

900
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 8: it together. I think the last time we read Kuama Terray,

901
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 8: and it was a couple of semesters ago, but we

902
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 8: read his Sophie Speaks book which has his essays and

903
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 8: speeches inside of it, and of course we make reference

904
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 8: to him as well throughout the year.

905
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: And the reason I asked that question and family just

906
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: waking up as twelve after the top that was assistant

907
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: Latria how the university part of the Kuamaterray group at

908
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: Howard and also Brother Obie's really have a program taking

909
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: place there this week. But again thetrese the reason why

910
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: I asked that question his book about black power. Uh.

911
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: And I was a youngster then when that book kind

912
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: of came out and I was trying to read it,

913
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: it was so it was difficult, it was it wasn't

914
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: easy it wasn't an easy to read. Have you guys

915
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: have done that book yet?

916
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 8: No, you haven't, but it's on my show, so I

917
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 8: can definitely get to it in time.

918
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well yeah, when you get to it, let

919
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: let us know, because I guess we're kind of young

920
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: and didn't understand a lot of the terminology in the book.

921
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: But you know, trying to figure out what's what's he

922
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: telling us, what's he teaching us? But yeah, that's a

923
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: great book after reading it, you know, I got to

924
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: read it more than once to understand what was going on.

925
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you, thank you, and thank you for

926
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: what you do on campus, you know, making these young

927
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: folks aware, because not all of our young people aware

928
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: of our history. I spoke to a person who was

929
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: head of the African American Studies department, uh was it

930
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: uh in in Florida, University of Central Florida, and I'm

931
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: not sure if they haven't it because because a lot

932
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: of the students would not, he couldn't get the students

933
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: to do that, even to come to those classes, to

934
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: join the courses so that he was taking. He says,

935
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: these young people today and maybe and maybe you know,

936
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: just just for that area that we're not interested in that.

937
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking about black students, we're not interested in hearing

938
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: about that. In fact, I had brother Tony Browner at

939
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: the time, and also doctor Welson speaks to the class,

940
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: and so it perked up when they came out because

941
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: they had heard all their parents if somebody had heard

942
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: about both of those folks. So they showed up in

943
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: mass for that. But the professor told me that, you know,

944
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: usually he's pulling teeth so much so that they want

945
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: to combine the African Studies upon with the Hispanic Studies department.

946
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: And so it was like a job thing for him

947
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: that trying to figure out how to get all these

948
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: students because a lot of black students on campus, but

949
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: just couldn't get them to come into these courses, take

950
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: some of these courses, or you know, hear some of

951
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: these discussions. But you say, you don't have that problem.

952
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 8: Today, right, Yeah, I think Howard is a little bit different.

953
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 8: People are more likely to just have passion for black

954
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 8: people in black history.

955
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 9: Then.

956
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 8: Also, like when you take a class of doctor Carr,

957
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 8: when you take a class with doctor Myers, you just

958
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 8: get so enamored with black studies just because of how

959
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 8: they do it. So, yeah, we don't have that issue

960
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 8: at Howard look good.

961
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: So tell us about what you know you've did research

962
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: in brother Kwame Trae. What is anything in his background

963
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: that stood add to you?

964
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 8: I know for me personally, I came to know of

965
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 8: Kwame Toe through the slogan Black Power, of course, which

966
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 8: I kind of came across doing my own independent study.

967
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 8: When I was a teenager. I found myself very frustrated

968
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 8: with liberal grassroots organizing, you know, trying to encourage people

969
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 8: to vote or to use you know, the system to

970
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 8: try to win our liberation. And when I heard him speak,

971
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 8: I remember watching some of his lectures and again like

972
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 8: it was just this kind of like spiritual, like emotional

973
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 8: like it just touched me. So that's how I came

974
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 8: to note about commentary.

975
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: And you know, he was one of these smart brothers

976
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: as well. You know, he could have gone to any

977
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: school Ivy League school because high school went to Bronx

978
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: High School of Science. So you got to be real

979
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: smart to get in into science back then. Even now

980
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: it is, it's one of the top schools in New

981
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: York City. That Commentary asked Stope call Michael who went

982
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: to but he chose to go to Howard. Do you

983
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: guys discuss that?

984
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

985
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course the Commentary Society is named after him

986
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 8: because of his excellent work in the A p r

987
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 8: P and his just development as a Pan African organizer.

988
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 8: So his principles is definitely what the society is rooted

989
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 8: in him. But we study any and all people who

990
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 8: are a part of the black radical tradition.

991
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: All right, did you guys ever talk about a side

992
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: of Shakur?

993
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 6: Of course?

994
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, now's the tribute to her?

995
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool, because I've been hearing people now all.

996
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: Of a sudden, Remember we came on and promoted that.

997
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. You know, it's the same group.

998
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: But you know, people are now recognizing her. It's a

999
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: shame they should have recognized it before she made a

1000
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: transition because she did so much work as well. But

1001
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: it seems like that that happens quite a bit after

1002
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: you make a transition, people you know, start doing these

1003
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: tributes to you. But you guys are doing one for

1004
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Kwame Terrae. How did that come about? Latrese? Whose idea

1005
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: was that?

1006
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 8: Well, the event the Sovereignty Summit isn't going to be

1007
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 8: honoring Kwame Terrae exactly, that's the name of our group.

1008
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 8: But the Sovereignty Summit will be discussing black student movements,

1009
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 8: which of course we know about the one at Howard

1010
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 8: University that resulted in the Afro American Studies Department. But

1011
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 8: this time around, we'll be inviting the organizers from the

1012
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty nine takeover of the Administration building to learn

1013
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 8: more about their student demain and why they pushed for

1014
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 8: a more afrocentric curriculum at Howard. We're also inviting some

1015
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 8: black student organizers from North Carolina. These are current undergrad

1016
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 8: students who are waging a struggle against their campus officials

1017
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 8: for better housing. And we also will be having a

1018
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 8: panel discussion with Malcolm X Grassroots Movement to talk about

1019
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 8: how why it's important to you know, move campus based

1020
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 8: organizing past the Ivory Tower to connect with those who

1021
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 8: are in the community and those who don't have the

1022
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 8: privilege to attend university. And our last two events of

1023
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 8: social events will be with Halo Green Garden, which is

1024
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 8: our campus organization that does food sovereignty. They plant their

1025
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 8: own food and they distribute their harvest, which is really beneficial.

1026
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 8: We're keeping the people fed, and we will be talking

1027
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 8: about why it's important to rely on institutions less which

1028
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 8: we're seeing what this government shut down, people not having

1029
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 8: access to snap benefits. Where do you go for food

1030
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 8: when the government isn't giving it to you? And lastly,

1031
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 8: we'll be doing this interactive activity. We'll be doing a

1032
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 8: Theater of the Oppressed, which is a collective performance where

1033
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 8: we'll be trying to stress the importance of cross cultural,

1034
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 8: well across ideological lines. How do you organize with people

1035
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 8: to reach the same objective?

1036
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,479
Speaker 1: All right, literally so and thought right there, and Brother

1037
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: Obi stay with us. We've got to step aside for

1038
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: a few moments and we come back to the trees.

1039
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: Tell us if you know, since you're discussing what took

1040
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: place on campuses in the sixties, these issues still at

1041
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: play right now. The students are going to Howard and

1042
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: let us know what's your thoughts about that family. You

1043
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: want to join this conversation with sistant latrees from Howard

1044
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: University and Brother Obi reach out to us at eight

1045
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight to seventy six, and

1046
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: we take all your phone calls. Next and grand Rising family.

1047
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning. It's

1048
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: a hump day. We're halfway through the work week of

1049
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes after the top day out insisted of

1050
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: l the Trees from Howard univers She and brother Obie

1051
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: and sister Latrica. They have an event taken place this weekend.

1052
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: But one of the issues you're going to discuss is

1053
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: what took place on the campuses in the sixties. The

1054
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: same issues that were there in the sixties are there

1055
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: there today.

1056
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say so. I think the issues that

1057
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 8: were addressed in the sixties and in the eighties, respectively

1058
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 8: dealt with the core contradictions with the university in terms

1059
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 8: of it exploiting students for tuitions, making partnerships with entities

1060
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 8: like the CIA and the FBI, having certain sketchy figures

1061
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 8: on the boarder trustees. I mean, these are the things

1062
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 8: that make the university what it is, which is a

1063
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 8: colonial apparatus designed to train black students to one day

1064
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 8: be a part of the ruling class. So in order

1065
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 8: to do that, I mean, there are certain contraditions that

1066
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 8: must take place, and those students who were conscious enough

1067
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 8: to see these things went down on and outright resisted

1068
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 8: these contradictions. They weren't okay with it, even though they

1069
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 8: were paying tuition themselves, even though they wanted a degree

1070
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 8: from Howard University so that they could go out in

1071
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 8: the world and do the work that was important to them.

1072
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 8: I think we all have that sentiment, and we all

1073
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 8: take issue with that core contradiction. So it's just important

1074
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 8: for us to call the university out, I think as

1075
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 8: it continues to do work that is harmful for our people.

1076
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1077
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: Well, the sixties group they did more than just call

1078
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: them out. They went and took over buildings and you know,

1079
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: had sittings.

1080
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 10: That's true, Yeah, true.

1081
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: Do you see that taking place now with the students

1082
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: on campus today.

1083
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 8: I think the issue about today is that Howard has

1084
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 8: really ramped up its ability to surveil and control students

1085
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Speaker 8: and suppress any type of any type of disruption or

1086
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 8: you know, kind of ultimately pushback against the university apparatus.

1087
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 8: So they've and that's what I'm saying is that they've

1088
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 8: learned from these previous takeovers, in the most recent one

1089
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 8: being in twenty twenty one. So the current climate at

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 8: Howard is is a precarious one. And I'll just leave

1091
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 8: it at that.

1092
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Okay. Twenty three minutes after topic, brother Obi tell us

1093
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: about the famous taking place this weekend.

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: It's within the framework of this Sovereignty conference, and we

1095
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 3: congratulate the Clime to Ray Society for doing it. But

1096
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 3: we're going to have on Sunday at four o'clock in

1097
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 3: the Digital Auditorium and the Blackburn Center, the Mass Emphasis

1098
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: Children's History and Theater Company, Serafina Khan and some other

1099
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 3: children ensembles are going to be having a children's tribute

1100
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: to Brother Kwame and Brother Kwame transition to the Ancestors

1101
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: on November fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight. So within the calendar framework,

1102
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: that's why it's being done this weekend, which ironically November fifteenth,

1103
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty five is when the Berlin Conference ended, where

1104
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 3: Mother Africa was sliced up like a pizza by its

1105
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: former colonizers, so you have that contrast. So we're gonna

1106
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: be just but we're not doing the play for a

1107
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: lot of people who have not seen some of the

1108
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: documentaries that we've done. For some of the people who

1109
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 3: haven't seen the children perform in person doing poetry and

1110
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: other things of that nature. That's what we're going to

1111
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 3: be highlighting. So it'll be some music, it will be

1112
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: some videos of some of our catalog of work, so

1113
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: people will get a chance to see our work in

1114
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 3: connection with the Thomas and Car Center in Burkina Fasso,

1115
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: with the African Pride Club in South Carolina, United African

1116
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 3: Diaspora in Calgary, Alberta, which are all children's vehicles and outlets,

1117
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: and so people will get a chance to see the

1118
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 3: role of children's vehicles in this decolonization process. And of

1119
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 3: course it's a working tribute to Brother Kwame. Interestingly enough,

1120
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: there's this interesting connection between Brother Kwame and mass Emthhesis.

1121
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: We picked him up from the airport thirty years ago.

1122
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 3: He was coming to the University of Maryland Baltimore County

1123
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 3: and the University of Maryland College Park, which were both

1124
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 3: the last time he spoke of both of those institutions.

1125
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: And when he got in the car, we were listening

1126
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 3: to a Santana Tate and it was Santana pe homage

1127
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 3: to Ole Tunja and his classic nineteen sixty four album

1128
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: Drums of Passion, and so brother Kwame is like, who's

1129
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 3: that doing only Tunja song? And we said o Carlo Santana.

1130
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: So Kwame is teasing us, and he's talking to us

1131
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 3: about the importance of returning to the source, quoting Emil

1132
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 3: Khar Cabral, the great fighter out of Guinea Bissau and

1133
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 3: the father their revolutionary struggle. But he's telling us that

1134
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 3: art moves more rapidly, touches more people quantitatively than political

1135
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 3: work does, even though everything emanates from our culture, and

1136
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 3: even though one of our challenges is to make our

1137
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: cultural and political expressions synonymous.

1138
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 6: So he sang that to.

1139
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: Us in the car, and he's talking about the importance

1140
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 3: of art, and fifteen minutes later he smacks me on

1141
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: the shoulder and he said, oh, I'm so sorry, And

1142
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 3: I said about what And he said, your father was

1143
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 3: doing that when we were babies in struggle. We were

1144
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: organizing on the political front, but he was already writing

1145
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 3: plays and short stories and novels. Because before my father

1146
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 3: helps get the Black Panther Party off the ground and

1147
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 3: ignite the Black Power movement in London, he has a

1148
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 3: book called Win Versus Polygamy three years before, which is

1149
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: transcript into a play, and Britain submits that to the

1150
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: historic first the world Arts Festival in Dukhar, Senegal in

1151
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six, and he's the first African playwright to

1152
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: have his work showcased on VBC, which create opened the

1153
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 3: lane for the Ingougi Watngos and the Willie sel Incas

1154
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: and the Chenoa champions of the World. So Kwame noong

1155
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: that history. Then he says to me, when you're gonna

1156
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 3: get serious and continue to work, It's in your blood

1157
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 3: whether you know it or not. I'm twenty five years

1158
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 3: old at the time. This is nineteen ninety five, Carl,

1159
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 3: and listeners, this is thirty years ago. So who would

1160
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: know that thirty years later we would have over thirty

1161
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 3: plays under our belt and our work has been showcased

1162
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 3: by children in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in

1163
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 3: Burkina Faso in Haiti and highlighted and recognized by the

1164
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 3: National Black Theater Festival three years ago in North Carolina.

1165
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 3: Maya Angelous started during her tenure at Winston Salem University.

1166
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 3: So it's a full circle thing for us. So anytime

1167
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 3: that we have the opportunity and one of the most

1168
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 3: celebrated performances we've done, brother Carl was called same neighborhood

1169
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: different perspectives the conversation between General Colin Powell and Kwameterrae.

1170
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 3: And we performed a play twelve years ago, eleven years

1171
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 3: ago for the first time at Howard University, and that

1172
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 3: was the first time we ever collaborated with the Kwameterray

1173
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: Society and the African Student Union, the Caribbean Student Union

1174
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 3: and the student government all came together and did that

1175
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 3: event in an organization which is a staple at how

1176
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 3: and Howard Student acted this culture called ubiquity. So anytime

1177
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: we get a chance to collaborate with the Kwameter Ray Society,

1178
01:09:53,520 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: especially highly kwanme it's all. So we're going to showcase

1179
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 3: on Sunday Is. A few years ago, we had a

1180
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 3: ten and thirteen year old do a mixtape in Kwameterray's

1181
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: honor to compliment the Black Power Mixtape which was out

1182
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 3: around the same time. And so its brother Kwame's speeches

1183
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: mixed to jazz, mixed to rhythm and blues mixed to rega.

1184
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 3: So we'll be showing a sample of that. It was

1185
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 3: about an hour long, so we'll show at least a

1186
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 3: few minutes of it. We really want to highlight a

1187
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 3: lot of the work that the children have done in

1188
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: mass emphasis, but the attention is on brother Kwame, but

1189
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: we are also doing this. We're celebrating Asada that will continue,

1190
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 3: of course, but we're also celebrating the courageous people of

1191
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 3: Venezuela who are resisting US imperialism militarily at this exact moment.

1192
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,480
Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing to contribute to the Sovereignty

1193
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: conference that the Kwame Terrae Society is doing. And we

1194
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 3: will also announce on Howard's campus something which is very

1195
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,440
Speaker 3: historic in our humble opinion. We have established we're establishing

1196
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: a memorandum of understanding with the iconic scholar, doctor Carrol

1197
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 3: Boyce Davies, who is the chair of the Language Arts department.

1198
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: We've agreed in principle to establish a memorandum of understanding

1199
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Speaker 3: with them, which means that every time that we perform

1200
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 3: on the campus, they will promote the event. And she's

1201
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 3: also on the board of the Caribbean Studies Association, which

1202
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 3: is the largest umbrella of African teachers who teach African history.

1203
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 3: Our presence in the Caribbean all over the world. So

1204
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 3: it's a very special weekend for us and we're humbled

1205
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,440
Speaker 3: at the Kwameterra Society is providing us with this golden opportunity.

1206
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: All right, family, just checking into the voice you here

1207
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: at twenty nine minutes away from the top abelongs the

1208
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: brother Obie. You know, I'm an activist in Washington, d C.

1209
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: And international journalists. Also, he's got sister Latrice with us

1210
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: from the Kwame Toay Society at Howard University. The AMN

1211
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: the event this weekend at Howard. We'll tell you more

1212
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: about that. But Brother Obie, something you said that we

1213
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: having the conversation Brother Kwame, that that struck me when

1214
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: he said the message can get out better by using

1215
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: the arts something like that. I'm just paraphrasing what you said.

1216
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: And I think about today's part the wrapping industry. The

1217
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: rappers have their message got out. If we could flip

1218
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: that around, or if we someone had heard what you

1219
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: told you back then, maybe you wouldn't have the situation

1220
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: we have now with some of our young people.

1221
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: It's part that's why we call this the liberation struggle.

1222
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: It's funny you bring that up because one of the

1223
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 3: last conversations I have with Brother Kwame, he had just

1224
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 3: come from the Honorable Minister Lewis far Khan's house after

1225
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: the notorious Vig also known as Big and Smalls was

1226
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 3: killed and Mark nineteen ninety seven, a year and a

1227
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 3: half in ninety six, I'm sorry, not even a year,

1228
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 3: a few months after Tupac Shakur was gunned down in

1229
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. So Brother Kwame was invited in and they

1230
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: sat down with an assortment of hip hop artists. Fat

1231
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 3: Joe was there, Kamen was there, Ice Cube was there,

1232
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 3: to name a few. So Brother Kwame was telling me

1233
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 3: that he wanted to know what could we do with

1234
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: the hip hop artists. And ironically, this is six years after,

1235
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 3: in my opinion, the best boogie down productions hip hop album, Edutainment,

1236
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,919
Speaker 3: where karas One has Brother Kwame sampled his voice sampled

1237
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: on the album three three separate occasions. And so he's

1238
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 3: talking to us about what can we do? And I

1239
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 3: told him that hip hop is a microcosm of the

1240
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: African community. So at that particular point in time, what

1241
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 3: the hip hop artist was doing were voting, and they

1242
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 3: were functioning from the understanding their voting was the most

1243
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: effective outlet of political expression, which if we say it

1244
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 3: like that, it can be objectively and honestly discussed, but

1245
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 3: when we give the impression that voting is the only

1246
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: outlet work pursuing. And then I started talking to them

1247
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 3: about our time during a Millionaire March when we worked

1248
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 3: on the National Youth Organizing Committee. In the first meeting

1249
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: we had, doctor ben Chavis said we were going to eat,

1250
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 3: sleep and drink voter registration and we smiled and told

1251
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 3: them all of the students who do that work, we're

1252
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 3: here to do this day of APIs this day of

1253
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 3: action and bring the country to a complete stop. That's

1254
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 3: our objective for being here, well getting back. So thirteen

1255
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 3: years ago we collaborated with matulu O Lubaba, affectionately known

1256
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 3: as m one of the internationally acclaimed hip hop group

1257
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: Dead Presence, and we did three albums called The Battlecraft

1258
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: for Cuban Zimbabwe, and we had an artist from all

1259
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 3: over the world, hip hop artists, R and B artist,

1260
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:03,440
Speaker 3: reggae artist, the gospel artists, jazz artists who created songs

1261
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 3: calling for the lifting of sanctions on Zimbabwe and the

1262
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: blockade on Cuba. So I thought about brother Kwame because

1263
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: we also him and I were both very fond of

1264
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 3: the secretary quote our Mase squitary leader of the Guinea Revolution.

1265
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 3: To be part of the African Revolution, it's not enough

1266
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 3: to write a revolutionary song. You must fashion the songs

1267
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,879
Speaker 3: with the people, and the songs will come of themselves

1268
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: and by themselves, which means that we must have protest artists.

1269
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 3: We have art with a message, but we also have

1270
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 3: art with a protest art representing a cause. And right

1271
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 3: now we are working the Kwame Terray Society is assisting

1272
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: us because we are identifying artists all over the world

1273
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 3: who are going to help us put together a tribute

1274
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 3: album for Asida Shakur and Pauline Lamoomba as part of

1275
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: this healthcare project that we're doing to help Cuban doctors

1276
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 3: in Africa in Assada's honor and in Pauline mumbus honor.

1277
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 3: And for the record, the Kwame Terrai Society was the

1278
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 3: only student group to speak at that plus conference we

1279
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 3: had in July, so they were already working under ASADA's

1280
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 3: banner before she passed away. Just in response to what

1281
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 3: you said earlier, So we work with hip hop artists,

1282
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 3: but we do it by coming up with projects they

1283
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 3: can collaborate on. And when we first announced the Assada

1284
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 3: Shakur Cuba Defense Campaign, Brother Karl Common, Killamite Talib Kwali

1285
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 3: and the actor Orlando Jones had a quick private meeting

1286
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 3: with us, telling us we could count on them whenever

1287
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: we need them. And someone else we've collaborated with as

1288
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: of late in our Cuba work has been the hip

1289
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 3: hop artist's immortal technique. So we do work with hip

1290
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 3: hop artists, we work with gospel artists, we work with

1291
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 3: jazz artists. We work with any musicians who want to

1292
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 3: lend their voice to our resistance, which history obligates them

1293
01:16:58,600 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up right there, We got to check

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Speaker 1: the news. It's twenty four minutes away from the top.

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Speaker 1: Their family just heard the voice of brother Obi. Also

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Speaker 1: sister Latricea. She's with the Kwame Terra Society on Howard

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Speaker 1: University's campus. They have an event this weekend and everybody's invited,

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Speaker 1: and we'll go into that. Latricia, we ain't come back

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01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: because we wanted to know if it's going to be

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01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: it's going to be online, So I'll let you respond

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Speaker 1: to that when we get back. And also John in

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Speaker 1: DC has a question for you guys. Family. You two

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01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: can join the conversation. Reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: we'll take you phone calls after the news. Trafficking weather

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: that's next, and Grand Rising Family sixteen minutes away from

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01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: the top. They are on this Wednesday morning. I guess

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01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: is a sister. Latrice's sister latreceis from Howard University. She's

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Speaker 1: part of the Kwame Terrae society on the campus and

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Speaker 1: they're having a sovereignty conference this weekend. Brother Hobi is

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Speaker 1: with us as well. Before we go back to them,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you Cornuple. Later this morning, I'm

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Speaker 1: gona speak with industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nichols. He's back

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: in our classroom. He's going to share his expertise on

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Speaker 1: the philosophical aspects of cultural DIFFERENCEY. This will answer a

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: lot of questions, you know, when some of us can't

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Speaker 1: get along, on why we don't get along, and well

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01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 1: he'll be here, so take notes. Also coming up tomorrow

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Speaker 1: you get hear from Sema tav doctor James McIntosh. Also

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01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: clinical psychiatrist doctor Jermy Fox will join us. So if

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure your radio is locked

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01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in

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01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: the DMV family Ron fourteen fifteen w L Sister Latrise.

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Speaker 1: The question we had before we left for the news

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01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: update was we wanted to know if it's going to

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: be streamed this event has taken place of this weekend.

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Speaker 8: Yes, please have a pen and paper ready because I'm

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 8: going to give the information for our live stream. So

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Speaker 8: we will have certain events, especially the ones in the

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Speaker 8: evening from five to seven on Thursday, Tomorrow and Friday,

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01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 8: will live stream them on YouTube and likely after the

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01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 8: live stream is over, we can just upload the video.

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Speaker 8: So even subscribe to our YouTube channel as kwame Teray

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 8: Society HU ten fifty two. Let's call me to a

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01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 8: society h U ten fifty two to subscribe there you'll

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01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 8: be able to see our content and watch it from

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01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 8: at home.

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01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: All right, we'll let you give that for you.

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01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 3: Also, Syster Latrese, Sister Latrese, if you all have a flyer,

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: we can get it to brother call and one of

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 3: the things he does so diligently, this is why we

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01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: appreciate him so much. He'll post the flyer on the

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01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 3: Facebook page so it has streaming link on there. He'll

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01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 3: post it on his Facebook page and everybody who wants

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01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 3: to log going to get a chance to check it

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01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: out off every day that you're having.

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Speaker 1: That'd be great for the folks who are on the

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Speaker 1: road driving the country. This morning at fourteen away from

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Speaker 1: top Out, that was brother Obie aus I mentioned John's

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01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: calling us from DC. He wants to join the discussion.

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Speaker 1: He's on line one. Grand Rising Johnny or his sister

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01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: Latrese and brother Obi.

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Speaker 7: Grand Rizon. Brother Obie, I just want to say, brother,

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01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 7: we love you. We appreciate you for what you have

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01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 7: done and what you're going to continue to do with

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01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 7: our young people. Brother Quasi had Less Brown on his

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Speaker 7: show one time and he said something very profound that

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Speaker 7: the most effective human being in America from his advantage point,

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Speaker 7: was Elijah Muhammad. And what I want to ask you

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01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 7: is we see that you do very excellent with the

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01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 7: culture and you focus on mathematics. When do you ever

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Speaker 7: think that there is a time And I don't know

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Speaker 7: if you're not doing it, I'm just trying to raise

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01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 7: the conversation level of it, when do you think it's

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Speaker 7: a time to focus focus on the economic blueprint of

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Speaker 7: our perspective, meaning land finance devid's credit savings, where there's

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Speaker 7: a focus on the economic side. In my vantage point,

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Speaker 7: that's what made Elijah Muhammad the person he was, his

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Speaker 7: economic blueprint. So that's what I just want to add that.

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Speaker 3: Qut Okay, that's that's an excellent question, and I want

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Speaker 3: to thank you for answering it. And you may not know,

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Speaker 3: but I tought at Muhammad University of Islam for six

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Speaker 3: years and it's one of the greatest honors I've had

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Speaker 3: as a teacher of children. And if you know the

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01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: Honorable Minister Lewis Fara Khan's history, in nineteen eighty two,

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Speaker 3: our ma secretary, leader of the Guinean Revolution and president

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Speaker 3: from nineteen fifty eight to nineteen eighty four, he came

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Speaker 3: to Howard and the Honorable Minister Lewis Farkun introduced him

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 3: and he said that all these years people know without

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01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 3: question he's the spiritual incarnation of the most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

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Speaker 3: But he wanted people to know that Secretaray was his

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 3: political father. And I bring him into this because he

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: said something that we live by. He said, it is

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Speaker 3: not the adaptation of political action to economic action. On

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Speaker 3: the contrary, it is the use of economic activities for

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Speaker 3: political ends. So for us, when it comes to dealing

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Speaker 3: with the question of economics, that represents us just being organized.

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Speaker 3: The human being is the most important resource. When we

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Speaker 3: come to organize and we do things of the economic

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Speaker 3: nature with the economic focus, it's the question of if

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Speaker 3: it's in a harmony with our political objectives. For example,

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Speaker 3: the fact that every civil and human rights organization at

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Speaker 3: this historical moment has a CEO component to it. Reverend

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01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 3: Al Sharpton is not the president of the National Action

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Speaker 3: Network only he is also the CEO. Whoever leaves the

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Speaker 3: National Council of Negro Women, they're also the CEO INAAC.

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Speaker 3: The same thing Urban League, same thing. That means that

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Speaker 3: they're depending on corporate dollars to advance their political programs.

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01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 3: Where if you ask most people about the NAACP, they

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01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: will tell you the most effective contribution they've ever made

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01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: was the Brown versus Board of Education case. And when

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 3: they did that, Thurvid Marshall and Oliver Hall and Constance

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01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 3: Baker Martley were going around sleeping on our people's couches.

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01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 3: So when we finance our organizations and finance our resistance,

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01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 3: Our resistance intensifies and our resistance has the best results.

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01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: So that's one thing we remember. Over twenty years ago,

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01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 3: Kochi Anan reaches out to Coma Danta Fidel Castro and

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Speaker 3: when the Millennium Fund was created to deal with HIV

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Speaker 3: AIDS and tuberculosis on the African continent. So Kofi Anane

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Speaker 3: reaches out to common doctor Fidel Castro and says, does

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Speaker 3: Cuba have any money to contribute to the event, to

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Speaker 3: that institution, and he says, you Knowumber one, we're socialists

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Speaker 3: number two under a blockade. But if the money was

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Speaker 3: ever made available, we would send four thousand of our

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Speaker 3: best HIV AIDS doctors, researchers and specialists and they would

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Speaker 3: remain in Africa until our stuff was until HIV AIDS

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Speaker 3: was eradicated. A few years ago, Brother Carl had us

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Speaker 3: on with Reverend Willie Wilson and we were dealing with

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01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 3: the cyclone that ravage Zimbabwe, Malawi and Mozambique. You may

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01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 3: remember that. And at Willie Wilson's church we raised five

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars in forty five minutes and we were saying

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Speaker 3: to ourselves, reaches the bachs, not our presbateritarian churches, not

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01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 3: our Catholic churches, not our Lutheran churches. What if our

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01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Baptist churches every month gave five thousand dollars a piece

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Speaker 3: towards humanitarian crisis in Africa? It would end overnight and

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Speaker 3: George Bush wouldn't be in Africa parading as a born

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01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 3: again humanitarian, where the largest highway in Ghana is named

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01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: after him. So for us, it's a question of and

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01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 3: so that, but it let us know that it's something

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01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 3: we could do every month, and not only would we

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Speaker 3: end the humanitarian crisis on the African continent, we would

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Speaker 3: make sure DC no longer is the face of food

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Speaker 3: insecurity in the United States, where one out of five

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Speaker 3: children go to bed without food, which is why we

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01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 3: have a history class and feed children every month, and

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Speaker 3: we financed that ourselves. We don't have any grant so

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01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 3: anything like that, And we know that some of our

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Speaker 3: organizations there's a distinction between those who'd organized to remain

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01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 3: grant eligible and those who organized to be historically responsible.

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01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 3: So once again, economic activities for political ends. I hope

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Speaker 3: I answered your question, and I purposely wanted to get

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Speaker 3: some concrete examples of how we can all.

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Speaker 1: Right, seving away from the top. I want to go

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01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: back to Laterresa from Howard as she's part of the

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: Quameter Ray Society. Laterreesa give us some more information about

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01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: this the Sovereignty Conference. What time does it start? And

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01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: can folks will listen to us in the DMV or

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01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: folks from Baltimore or I want to roll down to

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01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: the district, can they do so?

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01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, anyone is able to access the you to to

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01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 8: watch the live stream. Our events are going to be

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01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 8: all day long. So tomorrow at ten thirty will have

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01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 8: a drum circle, At eleven we'll have a lecture by

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01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 8: doctor Myers, two thirty will be around table discussion and

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01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 8: five pm will be the nineteen eighty nine Howard Takeover

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01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 8: Student Organizer panel. And it's the same structure in terms

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01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 8: of time the next day. Yeah, but ten thirty event,

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01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 8: eleven event, two thirty event and five pm event?

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Speaker 1: Was it?

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01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 3: Let me get this strang is this to Our event

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01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 3: is the last one and so La Trees our event

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01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 3: on Sunday is the last one. Right that's part of responsible.

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01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 8: From five to seven and.

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Speaker 1: Brother Obi with your Evan consists of one.

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Speaker 3: It is a children's tribute to Kwame Terrae once again. Yes,

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01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 3: So you will see a variety of different things that

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01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 3: Mass Emphasis has done throughout the years. We'll have some

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01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 3: children there alive. We'll have some of our documentaries done.

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Speaker 3: People who never saw our work with the children in Bikina,

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Speaker 3: Fasso at the Thomas and Car Center, the United African

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Speaker 3: Diaspora in Canada, the African Pride Club, they will see that.

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Speaker 3: People who've never seen the Kwame Terray mixtape, since we're

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01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 3: honoring him that weekend, they will get a chance to

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01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 3: see that and an additional assortment of things we've done.

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01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: The iconic drum and dancing ensemble, Farrapina Khan is supposed

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01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 3: to be there, and we have some other surprises. So

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01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 3: doors open at four point thirty and we'll begin at

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Speaker 3: five o'clock and people are going to really enjoy that event.

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01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 3: And once again, we're so humble that the kwameter Ray

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01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 3: Society is including us in there. So four point thirty

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Speaker 3: in the Blackburn Center in the Digital Auditorium. When you

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01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 3: come into the Blackburn Center, you make that first left,

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01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 3: you go to the back hallway. The Digital Auditorium is

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01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 3: right there. That's where we will be on Sunday and

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01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: it will be a children's artistic tribute to the Pan

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01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 3: African and Black powered gigantic icon Kwame Chakrature formerly known

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 3: as Stokely Carmichael, who transitioned November fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha five away from the top letter. You said, what

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01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: year are you in school and what's your major and

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01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: what are your plans when you graduate.

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01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 8: I'm a senior Afro American Studies major and I plan

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01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 8: to go to grad school after I graduate's.

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Speaker 1: You know, because I told the story about the students

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01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: at the University Central Florida, and that's one of the

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01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: things I said that what am I doing with a

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01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: degree in African American studies? They couldn't figure out, say

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01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I can't make money with this? Is that what they're

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01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: telling me, So I want to get your reaction to

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Speaker 1: that too. This is where the path that you're taking.

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01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: But we got to step aside and get caught up

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01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: in the ladies' trafficking weather in our different cities. It's

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Speaker 1: four minutes away from the top. They are family, just

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01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: checking in and sister of Latreci's part of the Equamtory

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01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: Society at Howard University. They're having a sovereignty conference this

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01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: weekend and also Brother Obi is going to be involved

1507
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: in they'll tell us more about that when we get back.

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01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: If you want to join this conversation, they'll hit us

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01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: up at eight hundred and four to five zero seventy

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01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls after

1511
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: the Traffic and Weather Together and grind rising family. Thanks

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01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: are staying with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a

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01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: hunt day. That means we're halfway through the work week.

1514
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 1: I guess right now. Sister Latresa, she goes to Howard University.

1515
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: She's part of the Quomitory Society. And also Brother Obi

1516
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: is with us to have an event this weekend. And

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01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Latrecea's major in as she mentioned before we left for

1518
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: the Traffic and Weather updated in African American Studies or

1519
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Black Studies at whatever. It's basically the same thing. But

1520
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: and I told her that some of the students that

1521
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: at the University of Central Florida back in the day

1522
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't want to do that as a major because they

1523
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: couldn't make any money in it. Did you ever get

1524
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: to any of that pushback for Literresea anybody, your family,

1525
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 1: friends and asking why you're majoring in African American studies.

1526
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 8: Well, my family's very supportive with me doing Black studies.

1527
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 8: So not for my family, but I definitely wondered my

1528
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:30,480
Speaker 8: own self, you know, as I made this decision. But ultimately,

1529
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 8: I'm not really trying to be rich. I'm not really

1530
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 8: trying to make a whole lot of money. I just,

1531
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 8: you know, of course, want enough to have a roof

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01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 8: over my head and food on the table, and I

1533
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 8: do think that a degree in Black studies can give

1534
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 8: you that. But that is also why I'm deciding to

1535
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 8: go for a graduate degree and eventually a PhD, because

1536
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 8: I know that it will allow me to have, you know,

1537
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 8: a higher paying salary. But I'm also just interested in

1538
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 8: Black studies, Like it's just my passion. I'd rather do

1539
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 8: something for the rest of my life, where like my

1540
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 8: job doesn't really feel like work. It's just something that

1541
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 8: I'm I just am interested in, so we.

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01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: Go for it. I love that, of course that's your passion,

1543
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Go ahead and snatch it, Go ahead and do it. Yeah,

1544
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: go get that PhD. Work on that, because I see

1545
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: that you have the right spirits and you can pass

1546
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: that on to some of our young people. Brother, O

1547
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: be before we let you guys go, tell us again

1548
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: that the schedule that's going to take place this weekend.

1549
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 3: She LATREESA you could go over to schedule all the

1550
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 3: way up into law event and I'll just highlight eyes

1551
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:38,959
Speaker 3: in particular.

1552
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm going to read off every line. So Tomorrow Thursday,

1553
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 8: beginning at ten thirty we have a drum circle on

1554
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 8: the yard. At from eleven am to one pm, we

1555
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 8: have a brief history of the Black Student Movement with

1556
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 8: doctor Joshua Myers. From two thirty to four thirty pm Thursday,

1557
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 8: we have a Black Student or Organizer round table with

1558
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,959
Speaker 8: comrades based in North Carolina, Boston, and the DMB. Tomorrow

1559
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 8: from five to seven pm, we have the nineteen eighty

1560
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 8: nine Howard Takeover panel with the eighty nine Direct Action Organizers.

1561
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 8: Friday the fourteenth, at ten thirty am, we have a

1562
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 8: drum circle on the yard. Then at eleven am to

1563
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 8: one pm, we have a panel titled Past the Ivory Tower,

1564
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 8: Integrating Campus and Community based Organizing with Malcolm X Grassroots Movement.

1565
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 8: From two thirty to four thirty pm, we have a

1566
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 8: panel discussing food, sovereignty and relying on institutions plus with

1567
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 8: Hu Halo Green Garden. From five to seven pm on Friday,

1568
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 8: we have a Theater of the Oppressed, which is a

1569
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 8: collective performance that is not taking place in the Browsing

1570
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 8: Room like the other events. It's in Douglas Hall, Room

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01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 8: one twenty. On Saturday mornings, we have a Deep Study

1572
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 8: event which is something that has been occurring all semester,

1573
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 8: but we'll be discussed in chapters three and four from

1574
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 8: a Black Study by Joshua Myers that will be taking

1575
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 8: place in the Moreland Reading Room their founders. Then Sunday

1576
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 8: to sixteenth, from five to seven we have the Mass

1577
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 8: Eventist Children's History and Theater Company performing in the Digital

1578
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 8: Auditorium in Blackburn.

1579
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 3: That and that's how humble contribution to this fantastic event.

1580
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,600
Speaker 3: So on Sunday doors open in four point thirty. But

1581
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 3: for all people in the DMV area that hear us,

1582
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 3: come on here, see us in the streets and thank us.

1583
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 3: But have never seen these children, please come and watch

1584
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 3: them and think about how many children you can get

1585
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 3: involved in mass emphasis. Because as we were subjected to

1586
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 3: fascist Gustapo occupation by the National Guard which was supposed

1587
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 3: to be in the words of the imperialist and the oppressor,

1588
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:05,440
Speaker 3: their justification for the chaos in our community. The reality

1589
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 3: of the situation is we need to collectively come together

1590
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 3: and support the outlets, especially the ones that are focused

1591
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 3: on uplifting and empowering the African child. Not in response

1592
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 3: to what they were doing. They're doing, but it's our

1593
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 3: historical responsibility to do just that. So thank you very much,

1594
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 3: brother Carl. It's always a pleasure to get on here

1595
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 3: and share the little bit we know and the little

1596
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 3: bit we do with so many of our people. Thank you.

1597
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 1: All right, sits in literacy before you go, can you

1598
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: give us the website again?

1599
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 8: Yes, on YouTube. It's going to be Quameter Ray Society.

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01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 6: HU one zero five to two.

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01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: One more time.

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01:34:54,439 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 8: Quameterrat Society HU one zero five two family.

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01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 1: My sister of Latrese from Howard University. She's part of

1604
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: the Qualmetory Society having their Sovereignty conference this weekend.

1605
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 3: We're brother is the president oh society.

1606
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me give you some respect on her name,

1607
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: grandising this president. Thank you for sharing your information with

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01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 1: us this morning. Thank you, Lortis. All right, thank you,

1609
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: thank you all right, family, eight after the top there,

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01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Let's bring it now Doctor Edwin Nichols. Doctor Nichols is

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01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: an industrial psychologist. Grant rising, Doctor Nichols, Welcome back to

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01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: the program.

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01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 10: Warning, how are you?

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01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: We're good. We're still learning though, I know we're going

1615
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: to learn a lot today from you. Family. You got

1616
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: some friends out there, Tell them to turn on the

1617
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: radio to tell me that doctor Edward Nichols is on

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01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 1: the radio. You talk about You're going to share his

1619
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: expertise on the philosophical aspects of cultural differences. You know,

1620
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: we're not all monolith think we're different, and he's going

1621
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: to explain why and how the differences and how we

1622
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,679
Speaker 1: can celebrate our different as well. But first I got

1623
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: to ask you, doctor Nichols, what is an industrial psychologist.

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01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 10: Well, I'm a combination of the clinical and industrial. The

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01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 10: industrial psychologist is now called organizational psychologists. These are psychologists

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01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 10: that take their knowledge of human behavior into corporations and

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01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 10: into executive offices. And we can look at the structure

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01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 10: of an organization to see whether it's functional or dysfunctional

1629
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 10: by various means. That is, how it may be something

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01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 10: as simple as how one department interacts with another, how

1631
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 10: many paper transactions are there? Or sometimes what I use?

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01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 10: Kind of old fashion, but a lot of fun. I

1633
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 10: have different colors of string, and for all the different

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01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 10: departments in a second words, for you'd have department of

1635
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,640
Speaker 10: whatever it is, and in that department you might have

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01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 10: ten sections. And for each of those ten sections, I

1637
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 10: give a different colored string, and I say, in order

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01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 10: to get the approval of your section, to whom do

1639
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 10: you have to give this report? To get the approval? Well,

1640
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 10: as the string comes only to one person, If all

1641
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,480
Speaker 10: those ten strings are coming to one person for approval,

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01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 10: that tells you that that's a dysfunctional organization because one

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01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 10: person can be responsible for all ten of those or

1644
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:46,480
Speaker 10: those things. So it says, as a leader of that department,

1645
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 10: you are not investing time and energy and making sure

1646
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 10: that each of those ten individuals can do the work,

1647
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 10: do it properly, and have to supervise them so that

1648
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 10: when they turn in a report, it's correct, it's ready,

1649
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 10: it's ready to use.

1650
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 6: You don't have to.

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01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 10: Now, you can spot check from time to time, but

1652
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 10: you don't have to spend your time reviewing all ten

1653
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 10: and checking all ten of the reports. So that's one

1654
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 10: of the type of functions that we do. In terms

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01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 10: of the structure of organization itself, there are also things

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01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 10: such as how do groups interact with each other? And

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01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 10: it's very important to see that sometimes groups of people

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01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 10: within in a set. That's the work that I do,

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01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,799
Speaker 10: they have to work together. And so you have women,

1660
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 10: and you have men, and you have different ethnic groups

1661
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 10: and different language groups all working together. So they constitute

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01:38:56,200 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 10: a multi ethnic, pluralistic, and linguistically diverse organizational structure or team.

1663
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 10: And in order for them to work efficiently together, they

1664
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:12,480
Speaker 10: have to understand that they will see a problem differently,

1665
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 10: they will determine how to resolve it differently, and then

1666
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 10: they will evaluate whether the problem, whether the problem has

1667
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 10: been solved or not solved. So in order to do that,

1668
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 10: we know that teams that are are pluralistic, that is,

1669
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 10: teams that have women, men, different ethnic groups all working

1670
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:43,440
Speaker 10: together are more efficient and more creative than the traditional

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01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 10: all white male team. So that's another aspect of the

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01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 10: work that I do. And then the final thing is

1673
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 10: executive coaching. Sometimes you have a person that has been

1674
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 10: put into a position as an executive coach. They're at

1675
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 10: the very top and their behavior. Their personal behavior is

1676
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 10: disruptive to how they get along with the other ten

1677
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 10: sections that they're responsible for. They have ten departments they're

1678
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 10: responsible for, and there's always some disagreement between that person

1679
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 10: and the other people. It can be that they feel

1680
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,679
Speaker 10: that they're the only one that can give the right answer,

1681
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 10: and therefore, if it isn't my answer, it's wrong. It

1682
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,520
Speaker 10: can be that they're having personal problems like a divorce

1683
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 10: or something like that at home, and it's interfering with

1684
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 10: their ability to work efficiently with their ten groups within

1685
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 10: the organization or ten departments. And sometimes it's that the

1686
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 10: ten departments really just don't like that person and they

1687
01:40:56,120 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 10: do everything they can do to undercut that person. So

1688
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 10: the job then of the in the executive coaching is

1689
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 10: to help this person to make a differential awareness.

1690
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 11: Is it me?

1691
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 6: Is it then?

1692
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 10: Or what can the two of us do together to

1693
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 10: improve our way of doing things. Sometimes it's communication skills.

1694
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 10: Some people have poor communication skills. They don't communicate very well.

1695
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 10: They just simply they do it and they For an example,

1696
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 10: in the black community, we say as a parent, we

1697
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 10: say I told you to do it, and don't give

1698
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 10: me no back.

1699
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 11: Talk.

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01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 10: Well, that's not two way communication, that's well a communication,

1701
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 10: but that's how we're trained as black children. You don't

1702
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 10: talk back to your parents. My opinion is you might

1703
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 10: get slept into tomorrow. But in organizations you have to

1704
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 10: do differently. And of course, as children get older within

1705
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 10: the black family, they can tactfully voice their opinion about something.

1706
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 10: But still you don't cross that line being defiant against

1707
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 10: your parents. So I hope that gives you an idea

1708
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 10: of what organizational psychology is previously called industrial. See I'm

1709
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 10: so old that it was called industrial when I got

1710
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 10: my degree, and then subsequently maybe ten to fifteen years later,

1711
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 10: they changed it to organizational psychology.

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01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: Family fourteen after top they have the voice. You hear

1713
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 1: that as a doctor Edwin Nichols. He is a psychologist,

1714
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols. So this attack on di does does that

1715
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Speaker 1: go counter to what you teach or what you help.

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Speaker 10: Yes, you know what would be helpful? If you can

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01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 10: call me on the landline, then I can hear you better.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what we're coming up on a

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01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: break real soon and we'll do that. We'll switch over.

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01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 1: Family just joined us. I guess is doctor Edward Nichols.

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01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: As he mentioned, he's industrial psychonscious as part of the job.

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01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 1: I was just fascinating to hear how he does, you know,

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01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: how they really how he works, how he breaks it down.

1724
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 1: And also he's going to share his expertise on how

1725
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: the philosophical aspects of cultural differences because now we're in

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01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: an era where they don't want de I as you mentioned,

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01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: they want a homogeneized set of folks who don't don't

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01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: of them don't look like us to run the country

1729
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: because you know, they think that we're somehow we're in

1730
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 1: fearor because of that colorasque game, we're not smart enough

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01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: to do what we do and we need a help

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01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: in hand, or we're not educationally enough. It's enough to

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01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: have the jobs that we have, and that's why there's

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Speaker 1: attack on de I tell what, we'll take the break

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01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: that doctor Nichols when we come back. Phil and DC

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01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,560
Speaker 1: also has a question for you family our conversation.

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Speaker 10: Yes, sir, do you do have the landline number.

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01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give it to Kevin. I'll give it the

1739
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: landline knowing to Kevin and he'll call you sixteen Off

1740
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: to the top of our family, Doctor Nichol's going to

1741
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: change his phone and when we come back, you can

1742
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: speak to him at eight hundred four or five zero

1743
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and will take you calls next

1744
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: and Grant Rising family twenty minutes after the top there

1745
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: with our guest, doctor Edward Nichols is psychoscious and he

1746
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 1: told us what he does, some of the work that

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01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 1: he does. And my question to him before we left

1748
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 1: the break, was this call for the end of DII

1749
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 1: that goes against what you teach or what you get involved.

1750
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Am I correctly saying that, doctor Nichols?

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01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, yes, very much. Let's develop why that's important. Diversity,

1752
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 12: equity and inclusion is the only way that we can

1753
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 12: function as a nation and really take advantage of being

1754
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 12: a multi ethnic, pluralistic, and linguistically diverse society. When we

1755
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 12: cut out different people, we lose. So what I'm going

1756
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 12: to do is I'm going to develop for you, first

1757
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 12: of all, why. Scott Page, the University of Michigan professor,

1758
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 12: back in two thousand and seven somewhere in there, wrote

1759
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 12: a book called The Difference, How the Power of Diversity

1760
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 12: creates a better group. Now he has you just go

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01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 12: online and look for doctor Scott E. Page, University of Michigan,

1762
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 12: and you will see lectures that he gives. And these

1763
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 12: lectures say to you that there are heterogeneous groups and

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01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 12: homogeneous groups. The tradition in this country has been the

1765
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 12: homogeneous group, all white male in corporate positions making decisions

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01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 12: about everything. Now they get started quickly on the task,

1767
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 12: and that's because they all share the same epistemology, axiology,

1768
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 12: and logic system. And we'll go into that in a moment.

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01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:22,639
Speaker 12: But he also found that you have teams that are

1770
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 12: comprised of women and men and minorities, and people speak

1771
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 12: different languages or English is not their first language. And

1772
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 12: when he saw all that, it took a while for

1773
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 12: those teams to get started, and in order to get started,

1774
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 12: they had to work out some things. But once they

1775
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 12: got started, they were more creative and more productive. Be

1776
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 12: those are the two words in business and money. They

1777
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 12: were more creative, they can get you a new product,

1778
01:46:56,360 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 12: and more productive. We can produce it faster than the

1779
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 12: all white male team. The homogeneous team. Organizational structure has

1780
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 12: changed from a vertical and hierarchical organizational structure too flat

1781
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:23,560
Speaker 12: and horizontal. You'll get that in your mind, vertical and hierarchical.

1782
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,599
Speaker 12: Step one, step two on top, step three on top

1783
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 12: of that, step four, step four, all these steps on

1784
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 12: top of each other. Okay, So that's a vertical and

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01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 12: hierarchical structure, and the very top is the boss of

1786
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 12: the whole organization, and the horizontal n flat says, all

1787
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 12: those steps are reduced to maybe two, maybe three. You

1788
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:55,560
Speaker 12: got a top loss and you have an intermediate boss,

1789
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 12: and that boss is responsible for one, two, three, four,

1790
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 12: five teams. That's horizontal and flat. So it means, let

1791
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 12: me give you an example. I was at GS fifteen

1792
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 12: when I was working with the government, well, and I

1793
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 12: had two fourteens working under me and some twelves and

1794
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 12: what have you. Well, now with the system is, if

1795
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 12: I'm the GS fifteen, I don't have any fourteens anymore,

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01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 12: and I may not even have any thirteen, but I

1797
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 12: will have us maybe four or five sections of GS

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01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 12: twelve that I'm responsible for. So it has moved from

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01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 12: vertical and hierarchical where you had the teams, then you

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01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 12: had the thirteens over them, and then you had the

1801
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 12: fourteens over them, and then you had Nicolas fifteen over

1802
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 12: it all. Well, that's vertical and hierarchical. That's changed. They

1803
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 12: cut out all those middle places. That has dropped down

1804
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 12: to one person's responsible for more teams. Now workers must

1805
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:07,600
Speaker 12: possess the skills in a multi multi area of experience,

1806
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 12: enabling to transition across the workplace matrix. Now what does

1807
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 12: that mean. It means that you work on a team

1808
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 12: until you get a project done. When the project is done,

1809
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 12: your team is disbursed. Let's say that again, based on

1810
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 12: the skills that you have in your organization and your company,

1811
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 12: there is an announcement we need this product or this

1812
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 12: new team to come and do this one specific thing.

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01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 12: We want you to do project A. Well, you have

1814
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:56,759
Speaker 12: a pool of people in the company that have similar skills,

1815
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 12: same skills, different skills, and the goal is to get

1816
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 12: on one of those teams. Because if you can't get

1817
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 12: on a team after a month in an organization, they

1818
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 12: dropped you from the organization. Go through that again. The

1819
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 12: way this structure is based. It says we have different

1820
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 12: projects that we have to get out to get our money,

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01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 12: and in order to do project A, we need skills one, two, three,

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01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 12: four five. We have a pool of people that can

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01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 12: do the work. But in that pool of people, they're

1824
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 12: all competing to get one of those jobs. So if

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01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 12: I have skill three and go or I have a

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01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 12: better chance of getting on getting on that team. I

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01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 12: got two of the skills that they need. Now that's

1828
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 12: the new system it is. You've got a pool of

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01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 12: people that can do the work. You've got projects coming

1830
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 12: in that require people to do the work, and you

1831
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 12: have to hustle to get on one of those teams.

1832
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 12: So team membership is the unit of production workers with

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01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 12: specific skills necessary to meet the requirements of the new project.

1834
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:32,839
Speaker 12: Are as symbol from across the workplace. Now that's across

1835
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 12: the workplace, and the word that they use in there

1836
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 12: is matrix. That's the word they use for the whole workplace.

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01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 12: And team is forum going across the matrix. So the

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01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 12: body of people that you have that are available to

1839
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 12: do the job, that is the matrix that you run

1840
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,640
Speaker 12: back and forth across the matrix define the people that

1841
01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 12: you need to do those jobs, and that you pick

1842
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 12: out these people and you form a team to complete

1843
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 12: a specific project. For an individual to say on a team,

1844
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 12: I've done my part, that's no longer acceptable because if

1845
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:22,639
Speaker 12: the team fails. Everybody failed, and when your team fails,

1846
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:25,799
Speaker 12: you lose that job. You go back to that big pool.

1847
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 12: So people used to say, well, I've done my job,

1848
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 12: not teams. Team's got to get it done. So when

1849
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 12: we talk about DEI, if you don't have people that

1850
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 12: can do those different jobs and you don't, you just

1851
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 12: sit there and talk about what I did, and you

1852
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:53,559
Speaker 12: don't work together so that everybody did, then you lose.

1853
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 12: Your team loses, and you lose your job. You go

1854
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,200
Speaker 12: back into the big pool to try to think, find

1855
01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 12: yourself a new job. And if people always see that

1856
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 12: you're the only person that just comes out and do it.

1857
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 12: I did my power, and you don't work for the

1858
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 12: team growth, you won't be chosen to work on somebody

1859
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:15,120
Speaker 12: else's team. Now, upon completion of project, the team is dissolved.

1860
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,719
Speaker 12: We're used to working with the same group of people

1861
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 12: for twenty or thirty years that ain't working no more.

1862
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 12: Come together, you solve a problem, and you disperse. Team

1863
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 12: members must search for search the workplace matrix that's that

1864
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 12: pool at the bottom, to find a new project that

1865
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 12: most closely fits their skill, because sometimes they got something

1866
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 12: up there. You don't have one hundred percent of that skill,

1867
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 12: but you have enough of it that you can learn

1868
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 12: the parts that you don't know. So the worker must

1869
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 12: dwarph this vocabulary. You need to learn now morphing from

1870
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 12: one skill to another to accommodate the requirements of the

1871
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 12: new project. What does morphing mean? Well, you ask your

1872
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 12: youngest child or your grandchild. When the monster from out

1873
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:16,719
Speaker 12: of space comes into the into the universe, into the earth,

1874
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:20,600
Speaker 12: in order to disguise themselves so that you don't know

1875
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 12: that they're the monster, they morph. It's like walking through

1876
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 12: a membrane, or they walk across a line and electrically

1877
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 12: the line and their change from looking like the monster

1878
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 12: from out of space into the very common person that

1879
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 12: you see in front of you, mister Joes. So that's morphing.

1880
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 12: Now that that's by that to the skill. You have

1881
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 12: a skill in this due project that you don't have

1882
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 12: all the parts to but in order to get that job,

1883
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 12: you have most of them. So you have to then morph,

1884
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 12: which means you need to learn those skills as fast

1885
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 12: as you can. Now, where do you get the most

1886
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 12: current skill? Well, I got my degree, you know, thirty

1887
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 12: years ago. Twenty years ago, I don't know.

1888
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 13: I don't know this, all these new things, all this

1889
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 13: new technology, and they're asking me can I do so

1890
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 13: and so on the computer? And I'm all confused, and

1891
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 13: the reports have to be on that platform, and oh

1892
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 13: my goodness. You go to the community college, doing your college,

1893
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 13: they'll offer a course. Okay, that's where you go keep

1894
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 13: your skills. So I can sing, I am an expert

1895
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 13: with word perfect, I mean with with Microsoft word or

1896
01:55:55,240 --> 01:56:01,879
Speaker 13: two thousand and five. Now what good is Nichols?

1897
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 12: Even though I'm an expert, I know everything about Microsoft

1898
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 12: two thousand five. A young person coming out of college

1899
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 12: does twenty twenty four twenty five experts. Who's going to

1900
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 12: be a competition because he can do things for twenty

1901
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:30,360
Speaker 12: twenty five in one or two strokes that even if

1902
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 12: I could, with the software that I had, do what

1903
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 12: he does, it would take me hours. So we have

1904
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 12: to keep our currents are skilled currents. And your community

1905
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 12: college is give projects there. You're not going there for

1906
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 12: a degree. You're going there to do a project to

1907
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 12: learn the project. That's what they have classes. Now if

1908
01:56:56,160 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 12: they don't, then you have all of these colleges around

1909
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:04,680
Speaker 12: here and you have young people specializing in these different

1910
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 12: these different categories. You hire one of those students but

1911
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 12: tutor you. They'll come to your house and sit down

1912
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 12: and tutor you, and you give them a fee. Okay,

1913
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 12: you can do twenty five dollars an hour, some of

1914
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 12: them you can do fifty dollars an hour. But just

1915
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 12: think what you're getting with that private tutorial in that

1916
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 12: apple and they will sit there and work with you

1917
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 12: until you do it. Wrote you can do it that

1918
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 12: quickly and you understand all the aspects of it. But

1919
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 12: don't talk about well, I don't know what I can

1920
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 12: do it. I don't know how to do it. Whether

1921
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 12: you call one of those students, they'll come. They specialize

1922
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 12: in communication skills or whatever it is that you need,

1923
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 12: and they'll come and they will work with you and

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Speaker 12: you'll get it. Ours University, said this young woman talking

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Speaker 12: from Howard University. You've got brilliant young students over there,

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Speaker 12: and they is hungry. Not just hungry, they is hungry

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Speaker 12: and he needs money extra thing. Oh, you can get

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Speaker 12: them as young people to do the toutory all right now.

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Speaker 12: Upon completion of the project, the team is dissolved, and

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Speaker 12: this is where you have to morph into another team. Now,

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Speaker 12: if you fail, you'll be accepted into another team and

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Speaker 12: morph with those new sets is killed. Then you go

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Speaker 12: back into the pool at the bottom and hope that

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Speaker 12: you can get on another team, and they generally give

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Speaker 12: you thirty days to be in that pool. If you

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Speaker 12: haven't gotten something in thirty days, you are dismissed from

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Speaker 12: that job. So what I've been working with them to

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Speaker 12: for fifteen years, Well, if you don't have the most

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Speaker 12: current skills, you're not worth anything to them. So you've

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Speaker 12: got to go. And that's the painful part because people say, well,

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Speaker 12: I've worked with them, I was loyal, I was Well,

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Speaker 12: this system that we're working with today doesn't care. They

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Speaker 12: only want the product. Now, if team membership is your

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Speaker 12: survival skill, then team composition is crucial who is on

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Speaker 12: that team And of course that's when we go to

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Speaker 12: Scott's Page's work. Do you want to be on an

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Speaker 12: all white male team you want them to lead you? No,

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Speaker 12: you want a multi pluralist and linguistically diverse team okay

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Speaker 12: to work with you. And those diverse teams are more

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Speaker 12: creative and more productive. And that Scott Page's work, the

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Speaker 12: different poland how the power of diversity creeds bet are

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Speaker 12: work groups two thousand and seven. Now the industrial psychologist

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Speaker 12: wants to know why the teams differ in their ability

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Speaker 12: to organize and get started quicker, and why the diverse

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Speaker 12: teams are more creative and productive. And that's when you

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Speaker 12: go into Nichols. That's when I use my axiology systemology.

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Speaker 12: That's when I talk about why that diverse team is better.

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Speaker 12: Okany is that Let's have some comments or questions?

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Speaker 1: All right? Twenty four way for the Top, Pheel has

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Speaker 1: a question for you. He's online one car from DC

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising fail your question for.

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Speaker 14: Doctor Nichols, Hey, Grand Rising, Carls Grand Rising, Doctor Nichols, Hey,

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Speaker 14: I just want to say thank you very much for

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Speaker 14: the for the for the rules that you laid out

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Speaker 14: for for career in twenty twenty five real The question

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Speaker 14: I have is what have you found racism or the

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Speaker 14: idea of white over over non white the impact of

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Speaker 14: that on teams and organizations and their ability to work

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Speaker 14: together and be productive.

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Speaker 6: Okay, hope that thought.

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Speaker 1: Ry at Dodtor Nichols. We've got to take a short

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Speaker 1: break and Phil, thank you for that question. Twenty four

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Speaker 1: minutes away from the Top the so much, you've got

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Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments. We come back

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Speaker 1: doctor Nichols answer Phil's question and also answer a question

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Speaker 1: if you have one. You can reach us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning with our

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Speaker 1: guest doctor Edward Nichols. Doctor Nichols is discussing discussing the

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Speaker 1: aspects of cultural differences. He said, it's a good thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's been an attack on DEI. Before we go

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Speaker 1: back to doctor Nichols and they'll respond to Phil's question.

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Speaker 1: Just warring mind you tomorrow coming up with Speak with

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Speaker 1: Simo Taps doctor James McIntosh and also clinical psychologist doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeromy Fox is going to be here as well. Dtr

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Speaker 1: Fox from his best selling workbook Addicted to White The

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Speaker 1: Oppressed in League where the oppressor are shamed, based the

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Speaker 1: lines that I'll be here tomorrows. So if you are

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure your radios locked in on ten

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Speaker 1: ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV or on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty WL Hi doctor Nichols. I'll let you respond

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Speaker 1: to Phil's question, Okay.

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Speaker 12: I do a lot of work with organizations. Actually I

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Speaker 12: go physically out and I have workshops, and in the workshops,

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Speaker 12: I'm trying to get at the very point that you

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Speaker 12: were talking about. So I say, I have two white men,

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Speaker 12: stand up, and I say to one of them, the

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Speaker 12: two of you went to high school together. You were

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Speaker 12: on the track team together, the football team together. You

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Speaker 12: went to college. You were both roommates in college together.

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Speaker 12: You were in the same fratornity together. You dated girls

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Speaker 12: that were sorority sisters. You married, you were investment in

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Speaker 12: each other's wedding, you were the godfather to each other's children.

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Speaker 12: And one of them is a little smarter than the other.

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Speaker 12: So one A is the smart one and B is

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Speaker 12: the one that's not too bright. But as A enters

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Speaker 12: into the organization and begins to move up, he brings

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Speaker 12: B into the organization. And as A moves up be followed,

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Speaker 12: a moves up be followed. But A sometimes has to

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Speaker 12: do some of the work for B because B is

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Speaker 12: not not rep too tight. Okay, but he's good, but

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Speaker 12: he's just not able to do everything too well. Now

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Speaker 12: the new organizational structure comes into B. Okay, you have

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Speaker 12: to work on team, and your team has to be

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Speaker 12: number one. So the bright one is going to move up,

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Speaker 12: but he knows that his best friend in all the

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Speaker 12: world B is not able to do the work it

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Speaker 12: is necessary. Yeah, hem a member, this job. Now over here,

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Speaker 12: we have this black woman. And you know that black

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Speaker 12: women are considered to be at the bottom of the barrel,

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Speaker 12: even though there is very often the best educated, most educated,

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Speaker 12: and everything else. And the question is, mister girl has

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Speaker 12: all of the qualification and she can more than do

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Speaker 12: the work, she can make him look good. Now, I

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Speaker 12: ask team member, as these two white men are standing up,

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Speaker 12: and I got a sister standing over in the corner,

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Speaker 12: and I asked this teamate member. I say, teammate, you

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Speaker 12: know that if the work isn't done like it's supposed

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Speaker 12: to be done, you're gonna lose your job. Now, whom

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Speaker 12: are you going to take with you on this new project?

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Speaker 12: And he says the black woman. I say, now, wait

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Speaker 12: a minute, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.

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Speaker 12: You mean to tell me that you're going to choose

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Speaker 12: this black woman over your friend that has been with

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Speaker 12: you from high school, you were in college together, your

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Speaker 12: best friends. You godfather, I go through all that litany

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Speaker 12: and he says, no, I'm choosing her. Now. That's when

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Speaker 12: you have real equity, diversity, and conclusion. And we were

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Speaker 12: getting to that. And the reason is that our society

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Speaker 12: is confronting globalization. So globalization has compelled us to adapt

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Speaker 12: a new organizational structure. See that vertical hierarchical structure. He

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Speaker 12: could keep pulling him up, he could keep pulling b

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Speaker 12: up right on up the chain. But with this new

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Speaker 12: organizational structure that has gone from vertical hierarchical to horizontal

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Speaker 12: and flat, ain't o hiding place on the team. When

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Speaker 12: it comes your turn to do what you got to do,

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Speaker 12: you've got to be able to do it. And if

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Speaker 12: you can't do it, then the team failed. Remember I

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Speaker 12: told you you can't talk about a can't talk about

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Speaker 12: I did my powert Obe didn't do Betpark. So as

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Speaker 12: far as they're concerned, the team failed and he could

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Speaker 12: lose his job his job. So that is why that

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Speaker 12: whole process is being attacked because the structure that made

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Speaker 12: the inadequate white male continue to be pulled up by

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Speaker 12: the adequate white male is now destroyed by the new

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Speaker 12: structure from vertical and hierarchical organizations to horizontal and flat.

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Speaker 12: I hope that answers the question.

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Speaker 1: All right. Thirteen away from the topic, Brother College is

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Speaker 1: checking in from Waldorfie's online too as a question for you.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising brother calls you're on with doctor.

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Speaker 15: Nichols, Grand Rising, Grand Rising, My dear brothers and doctor Nichols.

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Speaker 15: I appreciate that deep, deep explanation. I want to add

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Speaker 15: an addendum to that, diversity and equity inclusion. That's what

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Speaker 15: we call in the European the Cronus complex, which I

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Speaker 15: hope you're familiar with, and it seems to prevail that.

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Speaker 15: For example, when you have a professor by the Naval

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Speaker 15: Arnold Tornbee, considered to be the master of history, playing

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Speaker 15: that when we classify mankind by color, the only one

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Speaker 15: of the primary races that had not made a creative

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Speaker 15: contribution to anyone about twenty one civilizations is the black race.

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Speaker 15: And he goes on to say within the first six

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Speaker 15: thousand years, the black race has not helped create any civilization.

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Speaker 15: But then follow up on that, Murray and Hearnstein and

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Speaker 15: the Bell Bell curve says that the black brain is

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Speaker 15: inferior and this seems to prevail throughout the European dynamic.

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Speaker 15: Can you can you give me an explanation of how

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Speaker 15: we overcome that that theme that seems to prevail in

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Speaker 15: that European dynamic when we go out there to uh,

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Speaker 15: to go out into into the business world and to

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Speaker 15: try to to try to move forward in this society

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Speaker 15: to fulfill our aspirations. I'll take my answer off unless.

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Speaker 12: You have a question. All right. In the the last

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Speaker 12: part of the eighteen century, seventeen something in through there,

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Speaker 12: you had people in the middle of h and the

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Speaker 12: middle of Europe trying to develop a way to justify

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Speaker 12: the colonialization of Africa. Okay, you had this mark you

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Speaker 12: opinion when we go out there too.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kevin, can you drop a line too for us?

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Speaker 3: Kevin?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 12: Oh? Okay? So what you had was you had that,

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Speaker 12: you had the Conference of Berlin, and that divided Africa

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Speaker 12: into different places. And now you've got to but before that,

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Speaker 12: you had slavery. Okay, the Portuguese bringing slaves into Brazil,

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Speaker 12: and the Spanish into the the New World, and then

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Speaker 12: the British interview into America and so on. You have

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Speaker 12: to justify that you have people who are very religious,

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Speaker 12: and at that time, particularly in Catholicism, is the if

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Speaker 12: the priest did not give you absolution, you would die

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Speaker 12: and go to Hell. And people were very, very very

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Speaker 12: conscious of hell and its ramification. So how can you

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Speaker 12: treat your brother in this way unless he's not really human?

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Speaker 12: So what you have to do is you have to

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Speaker 12: say that in the history of mankind, this group of

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Speaker 12: people have not been able to produce anything. So therefore

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Speaker 12: they are not as intelligent, as as motivated, as as

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Speaker 12: christian as, and therefore they are not human. They are

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Speaker 12: a little less than They're like a small child that

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Speaker 12: has to be disciplined to have some First of all,

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Speaker 12: we've got to teach them how to work, all right, Now,

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Speaker 12: that's that's the that's the justification for all that craziness

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Speaker 12: that went on. And if you look to see who

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Speaker 12: some of these writers are in they lived in one

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Speaker 12: part of Germany and they never left Germany. They never

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Speaker 12: saw anybody, any anybody and other white people can make

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Speaker 12: all these decisions about what they heard or what they

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Speaker 12: have read from people who travel. That's how they did

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Speaker 12: the work. That's one of the examples of that. No,

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Speaker 12: he's not the bad guy. He did some pretty good things,

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Speaker 12: but he did some bad things too. He wrote what

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Speaker 12: he saw everybody else writing, which is these these racists

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Speaker 12: are in are not period. What we have to do

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Speaker 12: is we have to teach our own history. If we

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Speaker 12: teach their own history, then we know that the foundations

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Speaker 12: of the society is the foundation of Greek side in

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Speaker 12: the civilization of Europe is built upon the reality of

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Speaker 12: chemic and the Chinetics signe all right now, how difficult

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Speaker 12: is it for them today to deny all this history

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Speaker 12: that you constantly see. You see things on television that

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Speaker 12: talk about the structures within Africa and the belief systems

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Speaker 12: and all these things, and they're telling you that these

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Speaker 12: are very smart people, very very smart. And you are

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Speaker 12: in class with somebody that's not looking like you and

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Speaker 12: they're very smart too. So you're getting too much cognitive dissonance.

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Speaker 12: So what does the system now have to do? Well,

2138
02:12:56,280 --> 02:13:00,600
Speaker 12: it'ller burned the book written by you and books that

2139
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:04,800
Speaker 12: did not conform to what he wanted. Today in this country,

2140
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:07,480
Speaker 12: they have pulled those books off the library shelves. They

2141
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:11,360
Speaker 12: are not to be read, and they have substituted them

2142
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:15,040
Speaker 12: with what they want if you pick up a textbook

2143
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:19,879
Speaker 12: from Texas. Now, remember the Texas buys of all France.

2144
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 12: So in Texas in their printing of books, print high

2145
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:32,240
Speaker 12: school textbooks. Then a small state like Rhode Island, or

2146
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:35,160
Speaker 12: a state with a very poor population, a very limited

2147
02:13:35,200 --> 02:13:39,600
Speaker 12: population like North and South Dakota and Iowa, they don't

2148
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:42,080
Speaker 12: have the money to print their own textbooks, so they

2149
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:48,320
Speaker 12: buy the textbooks from Texas. Now, what does Texas say

2150
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:53,240
Speaker 12: about slavery. Well, we don't want to upset white children

2151
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:57,720
Speaker 12: and make them feel guilty and start crying. So we

2152
02:13:58,520 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 12: give a picture of a black man on a ship,

2153
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:08,800
Speaker 12: is a slave ship arriving, and he is not for

2154
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:15,120
Speaker 12: the loincloth. He is dressed with a suit, a coat

2155
02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:21,040
Speaker 12: and a shirt, trousers and a hat, and he is

2156
02:14:21,120 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 12: shaking hand with a slave owner. And he is now

2157
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:35,320
Speaker 12: indenturing himself. He becomes an indentured servant. That is, I

2158
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:38,840
Speaker 12: have come here to pay for my passage coming here,

2159
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 12: and I've also come here to learn things from you.

2160
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:50,840
Speaker 12: And what are they learning agriculture? They're learning how to fire.

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02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:56,480
Speaker 12: That's what is in the textbook of a text book

2162
02:14:57,160 --> 02:15:01,400
Speaker 12: of Texas today. On one of two pages or a

2163
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:06,920
Speaker 12: half page on slavery. So the perception of children is

2164
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:10,120
Speaker 12: the perpetuation of that idea that black people didn't know anything.

2165
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:13,080
Speaker 12: You just arrived from Africa and you don't know how

2166
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:16,080
Speaker 12: to fire. That you need to be taught at the farm.

2167
02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:18,600
Speaker 12: We have to put you on a plantation and teach

2168
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:21,720
Speaker 12: you how to pick consonants, broke cotton into brow, cross

2169
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:25,160
Speaker 12: the stone. That's why you were here. You didn't know anything.

2170
02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:28,960
Speaker 12: So you see, it is the erase thing that this

2171
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:35,080
Speaker 12: current wave is doing of our history and substituting it

2172
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:39,040
Speaker 12: with the myth of the path that back of blacks

2173
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:43,680
Speaker 12: are inefficient incompetence. Now, let me give you an example.

2174
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:48,920
Speaker 12: There was a man who was running a Republican. This

2175
02:15:49,080 --> 02:15:55,120
Speaker 12: is now maybe fifteen years ago, maybe even longer. He

2176
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:57,760
Speaker 12: was running for governor and he was a big time Republican.

2177
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:01,520
Speaker 12: He was a lawyer, and he would stand on the

2178
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:08,760
Speaker 12: stage and he would talk about the getting privilege, defermental

2179
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:11,080
Speaker 12: privilege based on race. You should not give it on

2180
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 12: based on race. It is beyond merit. It should beyond

2181
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:19,320
Speaker 12: merit because you let people with substandards things come into

2182
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:21,520
Speaker 12: the program and they should not be there. Oh, he

2183
02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 12: went on and on, and you had a black woman

2184
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:28,560
Speaker 12: who was in the same class with him, and she

2185
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:32,600
Speaker 12: had come through one of these programs. Please let me in.

2186
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:34,400
Speaker 12: I can prove I can do it when you let

2187
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:40,360
Speaker 12: me in. And she would go to his rallies and

2188
02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:46,840
Speaker 12: she would say, when the graduating class was, where did

2189
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:49,840
Speaker 12: you stand? What was your rank in the graduating class?

2190
02:16:51,160 --> 02:16:56,880
Speaker 12: I was in the upper upper one percent, and I

2191
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:00,640
Speaker 12: think you were in the lower half of the percent.

2192
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:08,920
Speaker 12: Is that true? Kind of Then she said, I passed

2193
02:17:08,959 --> 02:17:14,440
Speaker 12: the California Bar the first time, and if I'm correct,

2194
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:18,200
Speaker 12: it took you three times to try to pass. Is

2195
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 12: that correct? So tell me how it is that I

2196
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:28,280
Speaker 12: got in based on my race and I'm not entitled

2197
02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:28,840
Speaker 12: to be there.

2198
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:31,080
Speaker 6: And you got a story.

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Speaker 1: Right there, doctor Nichols. I step aside for a few

2200
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:35,720
Speaker 1: moments so our stations can identify themselves down the line.

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Speaker 1: I let you finish that story. Interesting story. Family, you

2202
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 1: two can get in all this conversation with doctor Nichols.

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02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:42,760
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

2204
02:17:43,400 --> 02:17:45,920
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six will take your phone calls next

2205
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:48,440
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us and

2206
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:50,720
Speaker 1: our guest doctor Edward Nichols. Doctor Nicholas is one of

2207
02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:53,840
Speaker 1: the top psychologists that we have at in our community,

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02:17:53,879 --> 02:17:55,800
Speaker 1: and he's given us a story as well. Before we

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02:17:55,879 --> 02:17:57,400
Speaker 1: left though, he was tell us a story about the

2210
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:00,320
Speaker 1: black woman who confronted a white man who thought she

2211
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:03,640
Speaker 1: did not was not qualified to hold the same position.

2212
02:18:03,800 --> 02:18:06,200
Speaker 1: He was currently if I'm wrong, if you can continue

2213
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:07,440
Speaker 1: that story for you to appreciate it.

2214
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Speaker 12: Doctor Nichols, Okay, once you have you have two lawyers,

2215
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:15,359
Speaker 12: both graduates of one of the top law schools in California,

2216
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:19,120
Speaker 12: and the white man was around. He was trying to

2217
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:23,160
Speaker 12: run for governor of California, and his pretext was that

2218
02:18:23,800 --> 02:18:27,720
Speaker 12: the letting minorities into these programs based on the fact

2219
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:31,800
Speaker 12: that they were just minorities, letting a quota that's what

2220
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:33,920
Speaker 12: he's saying, a quota of black people and just because

2221
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:39,360
Speaker 12: they're black rather than qualified, was destroying the system. And

2222
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:41,720
Speaker 12: it was what he was saying in quotes, was the

2223
02:18:41,800 --> 02:18:45,040
Speaker 12: system of white supremacy. That's what he's saying. He's a

2224
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:49,280
Speaker 12: code words, he's a dog was. So the reality was

2225
02:18:49,360 --> 02:18:52,400
Speaker 12: sister Girl went around and asked him these very embarrassing

2226
02:18:52,480 --> 02:18:56,720
Speaker 12: questions like, well, since I was one of the minorities

2227
02:18:56,800 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 12: let in based on a quota unqualified. Let's see how

2228
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,360
Speaker 12: well it worked once we get into the program. Once

2229
02:19:02,400 --> 02:19:04,320
Speaker 12: I get a chance to get in there, what do

2230
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:06,959
Speaker 12: I do. I'm at the top of the class. You

2231
02:19:06,959 --> 02:19:09,880
Speaker 12: were at the bottom of the class for the graduating class.

2232
02:19:10,520 --> 02:19:15,320
Speaker 12: I passed the California Bar first time. As I recall,

2233
02:19:15,400 --> 02:19:18,640
Speaker 12: it took you three times to pass the bar, and

2234
02:19:18,680 --> 02:19:22,920
Speaker 12: you passed it at the minimum level. So you see,

2235
02:19:23,320 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 12: when people are confronted with that reality, they have to

2236
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:31,440
Speaker 12: change the roofs back to what they were before. So

2237
02:19:31,600 --> 02:19:33,720
Speaker 12: let me kind of give you a little history here

2238
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:38,520
Speaker 12: the twentieth century. In the twentieth century, the United States

2239
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:42,360
Speaker 12: of America was the wealthiest and the most powerful nation

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Speaker 12: in the world, and we had the most affluent middle

2241
02:19:48,879 --> 02:19:54,600
Speaker 12: class of citizens in the world. And that was because

2242
02:19:54,640 --> 02:20:00,720
Speaker 12: we developed a vertical and hierarchical organizational structure. When these

2243
02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:04,200
Speaker 12: people we're going back to eighteen something and the first

2244
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:08,840
Speaker 12: part of nineteen oh five nineteen six, when when the

2245
02:20:08,879 --> 02:20:12,520
Speaker 12: Americans that were born here, they all got an eighth

2246
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:18,920
Speaker 12: grade education. Now, that eighth grade education was tremendous, and

2247
02:20:18,959 --> 02:20:21,240
Speaker 12: if you don't think the exam for the eighth grade

2248
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:25,040
Speaker 12: education was something you'd be embarrassed because you probably wouldn't

2249
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:28,520
Speaker 12: pass it even with your college degree. I'm not I

2250
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:31,000
Speaker 12: ain't talking to you. I just you didn't hear it

2251
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:34,360
Speaker 12: from me. But go take it. The look on the

2252
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:40,959
Speaker 12: web for Iowa eighth grade examination for passing or something

2253
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 12: like that, and they'll give you the test that they

2254
02:20:44,440 --> 02:20:48,520
Speaker 12: gave them. If you can pass it, then you feel

2255
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:52,600
Speaker 12: much better. But don't be embarrassed if you don't pass it, okay,

2256
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:55,120
Speaker 12: because that's how rigorous it was. In other words, the

2257
02:20:55,160 --> 02:20:58,800
Speaker 12: eighth grade education really made you literate in the English language,

2258
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:03,760
Speaker 12: who had all the skills of a division, multiplication, addition

2259
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:07,280
Speaker 12: in ruction and percentage, who knew how to do all

2260
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:11,840
Speaker 12: those things, okay? And well, the people coming from Europe

2261
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:17,080
Speaker 12: did not have free public education. So those people who

2262
02:21:17,160 --> 02:21:20,680
Speaker 12: came like like trumps or bears and thought they weren't educated,

2263
02:21:22,040 --> 02:21:25,200
Speaker 12: they came here, many of them. If you look to

2264
02:21:25,240 --> 02:21:29,600
Speaker 12: see how educated they were when they came here, they

2265
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:34,240
Speaker 12: couldn't spell their last name. So what happens is you

2266
02:21:34,360 --> 02:21:44,959
Speaker 12: have one the the the the the poor. Authority would

2267
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:49,160
Speaker 12: very often spell a name for them. So you have

2268
02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:52,520
Speaker 12: the first generation that comes, and then the younger brothers

2269
02:21:52,520 --> 02:21:56,439
Speaker 12: and cousins that come later, their name is spelled differently.

2270
02:21:57,200 --> 02:21:59,400
Speaker 12: So you got in one family one set of spelling

2271
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:04,760
Speaker 12: and other set of spelling because they were semi literate.

2272
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:07,240
Speaker 12: Now they may be able to X or something like that. Now,

2273
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:10,440
Speaker 12: the only exception would have been Jews. And the only

2274
02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 12: exception for that is because Jews at thirteen receiver of

2275
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,720
Speaker 12: our mythsful betweens, they are able. You have to be

2276
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:23,080
Speaker 12: able to read the Torah. You have to be able

2277
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:28,600
Speaker 12: to read the Jewish Bible, and it is written in Hebrew.

2278
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:33,920
Speaker 12: Now that Hebrew alphabet, that's what you can now use

2279
02:22:33,959 --> 02:22:40,680
Speaker 12: it to write in Yiddish. That was the lingua franca

2280
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 12: for European Jews, lingua franca for European youth. The most

2281
02:22:46,280 --> 02:22:52,640
Speaker 12: Jews spoke was Yiddish, and they wrote Yiddish in Hebrew letters.

2282
02:22:53,640 --> 02:22:56,160
Speaker 12: So when you get off the boat in New York,

2283
02:22:57,600 --> 02:22:59,600
Speaker 12: you are one of the few people that can pick

2284
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,160
Speaker 12: up a new newspaper, all right, the Takisplat, that's what

2285
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:07,920
Speaker 12: it was called, they lead newspaper, and you can read

2286
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,039
Speaker 12: and in there it will tell you where you can

2287
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:13,039
Speaker 12: go and get a place to live. If somebody died

2288
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:14,680
Speaker 12: on the ship, and you've got to bring them off.

2289
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:17,400
Speaker 12: Where can you get where can you take them so

2290
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:21,840
Speaker 12: they'll clean the body for for the ritual ceremonies for

2291
02:23:21,879 --> 02:23:25,480
Speaker 12: the dead, and so forth. So all that information was there.

2292
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:29,040
Speaker 12: So the one group of people of adult men get

2293
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:31,920
Speaker 12: off the boat and pick up a newspaper and know

2294
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:36,400
Speaker 12: what to do. Were Jews because they could read Yiddish

2295
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:40,960
Speaker 12: and they had Yiddish newspapers. Now, the other people thereby

2296
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:44,160
Speaker 12: have been newspapers in German or French or something, but

2297
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:46,800
Speaker 12: they were of little avail to them, because most of

2298
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:49,200
Speaker 12: them would have been in English anyway, and they probably

2299
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:53,880
Speaker 12: could not have read to any degree of sufficien, satisfaction

2300
02:23:54,280 --> 02:24:00,600
Speaker 12: and sophistication their own mother tongue. All right, Now, the

2301
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:03,640
Speaker 12: United States in the twenty first century and the twentieth

2302
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:06,800
Speaker 12: century rich is the most powerful nation in the world,

2303
02:24:08,120 --> 02:24:10,959
Speaker 12: the most affluent middle class of citizens in the world.

2304
02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:15,920
Speaker 12: The organizational structure was that vertical hierarchy. If I get in,

2305
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:18,120
Speaker 12: I'll bring you up. I get in, I'll move you up.

2306
02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:22,880
Speaker 12: As I move up, you move up. Now, that organizational

2307
02:24:22,920 --> 02:24:27,800
Speaker 12: structure was based on education, research, and technology. That's the

2308
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:33,680
Speaker 12: three legged stool of that thing and the education, because

2309
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:36,320
Speaker 12: people were not educated coming to this country. When they

2310
02:24:36,320 --> 02:24:39,120
Speaker 12: came here and they found out that they were in

2311
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:46,440
Speaker 12: competition coming from coming from Ireland, Italy, they were not

2312
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:50,160
Speaker 12: prepared to deal with this system where people had an

2313
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:55,240
Speaker 12: eighth grade education. So the Catholic school system was developed

2314
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:58,879
Speaker 12: to give you an eighth grade education. So if you

2315
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:02,360
Speaker 12: look in you or old cities like Detroit and some

2316
02:25:02,480 --> 02:25:06,200
Speaker 12: of these other cities, Ohio and places, you will find

2317
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:12,800
Speaker 12: a Catholic church rectory for the priests, and a content

2318
02:25:12,959 --> 02:25:17,120
Speaker 12: for the nuns, and a school, and the nuns taught

2319
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:22,760
Speaker 12: first to eighth grade, which meant they are now able

2320
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:27,600
Speaker 12: to compete for the job that the indigenous Americans have

2321
02:25:28,840 --> 02:25:34,119
Speaker 12: eight free education. So now if you have an eighth

2322
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:37,200
Speaker 12: grade education, I have an eighth grade education, and I

2323
02:25:37,240 --> 02:25:40,440
Speaker 12: don't keep my advantage. So what we do is we

2324
02:25:40,520 --> 02:25:45,240
Speaker 12: always change rules. So because I always have the eighth

2325
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:47,640
Speaker 12: grade education, you're just not getting it through the Catholic

2326
02:25:47,720 --> 02:25:53,680
Speaker 12: school system. I say, you know, yes, well that's interesting.

2327
02:25:53,720 --> 02:25:55,920
Speaker 12: We have an eighth free education, but I have a

2328
02:25:56,080 --> 02:26:01,760
Speaker 12: high school education. So now we're changing rule in order

2329
02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:05,480
Speaker 12: to be the manager an eighth free education is beginning.

2330
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:09,039
Speaker 12: You now have to have high school bom. So you

2331
02:26:09,080 --> 02:26:12,280
Speaker 12: see this group of people are still behind. And so

2332
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:16,119
Speaker 12: now you see these Catholic high Catholics becoming your Catholic

2333
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:19,520
Speaker 12: high school. But these people say, but you know you

2334
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:22,080
Speaker 12: don't have any college. You have to go to college.

2335
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:25,760
Speaker 12: So now you begin to see the University of Detroit,

2336
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:31,640
Speaker 12: University of Denver, all these places are Catholic college. It's

2337
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:34,959
Speaker 12: always one step behind. And what that was trying to

2338
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:43,959
Speaker 12: accomplish was to make the American Protestant Christian Okay, ahead

2339
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:48,520
Speaker 12: of any of these undesirable people that were coming from Europe.

2340
02:26:49,959 --> 02:26:53,160
Speaker 12: Two books you want to look at. One is when

2341
02:26:53,400 --> 02:26:57,880
Speaker 12: the Irish became white and the others when Jews became white,

2342
02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:02,240
Speaker 12: meaning that when those two groups first came to this country,

2343
02:27:02,280 --> 02:27:08,720
Speaker 12: they were not considered to have white privilege. The whiteness

2344
02:27:08,760 --> 02:27:12,320
Speaker 12: did not mean your complexion. It meant we accept you

2345
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:16,680
Speaker 12: or we don't except and so they were not accepted

2346
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:21,800
Speaker 12: until they were a culturated and the next generation then

2347
02:27:21,879 --> 02:27:27,320
Speaker 12: could be as similar. Now as black people, we have

2348
02:27:27,480 --> 02:27:36,519
Speaker 12: been a culturated since slavery and before. Unlike black them,

2349
02:27:36,760 --> 02:27:40,440
Speaker 12: we've been a culturally. But as blacks we have never

2350
02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:46,280
Speaker 12: been a similar and we have always been in a

2351
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:55,880
Speaker 12: situation where we have been punished or success punished or success.

2352
02:27:56,920 --> 02:28:03,520
Speaker 12: So it doesn't matter how well you are a culturated,

2353
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:11,280
Speaker 12: we're not going to be a similar thanks as that

2354
02:28:11,320 --> 02:28:16,160
Speaker 12: which means to give given white persons that words things read.

2355
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:23,200
Speaker 1: I just went to Okay, right off the top of

2356
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,160
Speaker 1: the family, doctor ed Nichols is cast I hope you're

2357
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:29,520
Speaker 1: enjoying this discussion that we're having with doctor Nichols. You know,

2358
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:35,640
Speaker 1: we're explaining the physic philosophy, philosophical aspects of cultural differences,

2359
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:38,240
Speaker 1: and the difference is especially between the races as well.

2360
02:28:38,600 --> 02:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2361
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:43,520
Speaker 1: six twelve. At the top there, bert Is John has

2362
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:46,360
Speaker 1: a question for doctor Nichols. Grand rising. Bert your question

2363
02:28:46,440 --> 02:28:48,160
Speaker 1: for doctor Nichols.

2364
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:52,680
Speaker 16: Grund rising. Colin grund Rising, Doctor Nichols, I need for

2365
02:28:52,680 --> 02:28:57,120
Speaker 16: you to help me understand the dynamics of afro Centric

2366
02:28:57,480 --> 02:29:01,800
Speaker 16: versus Eurocentric in the light of today you know political climate.

2367
02:29:01,959 --> 02:29:05,400
Speaker 16: You know, we've got conservatives and marga, and we've got

2368
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:08,640
Speaker 16: black conservatives and black marga and black stut.

2369
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:13,600
Speaker 9: You know, it's it's confusing when you know, we have

2370
02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:19,240
Speaker 9: these conflicts and I see people taking different sides. I'd

2371
02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:24,240
Speaker 9: like to know where, you know, the dynamics of afrocentricity

2372
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:27,360
Speaker 9: and eurocentricity comes into play here.

2373
02:29:27,800 --> 02:29:28,600
Speaker 7: Can you help me with that?

2374
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:35,440
Speaker 12: All right, I'll do my best. Okay, just talking about

2375
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:47,520
Speaker 12: being assimilated and a culturated, A culturation means into European standards.

2376
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:54,800
Speaker 12: So let's see how that works. It comes to my house.

2377
02:29:57,040 --> 02:30:04,560
Speaker 12: A culturation is the top of European ac culturation. I

2378
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:08,360
Speaker 12: will invite you to a dinner party, and in the

2379
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:11,160
Speaker 12: dinner party, I will have the first course will be

2380
02:30:12,280 --> 02:30:13,959
Speaker 12: first of all. When you come in, I'll give you

2381
02:30:13,959 --> 02:30:17,400
Speaker 12: an a pair of ee and there will be a small

2382
02:30:17,480 --> 02:30:20,920
Speaker 12: tray of our dus so that we sort of talk

2383
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:23,640
Speaker 12: to each other and wait for the other guests to arrive.

2384
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:30,640
Speaker 12: Then when it's time I hire someone to come and serve.

2385
02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:34,800
Speaker 12: That individual comes out. And so these are all these

2386
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:37,480
Speaker 12: are these are personal friends of mine. They'll put on

2387
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:42,280
Speaker 12: the white nicholause you're so bad shape. They will put

2388
02:30:42,480 --> 02:30:45,520
Speaker 12: the white the white coat. They will serve for me.

2389
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:48,960
Speaker 12: And these people have they have all kinds of degrees.

2390
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:50,959
Speaker 12: They don't need to be doing it. And you see

2391
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:53,560
Speaker 12: if in an office, you'd be embarrassed as what was

2392
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:56,120
Speaker 12: he doing in Nichols serving, he's in this top position.

2393
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:59,920
Speaker 12: But they love, they love doctor Nichols, they love to nick,

2394
02:31:00,280 --> 02:31:01,920
Speaker 12: so they'll come and do it all.

2395
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:02,120
Speaker 7: Right.

2396
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:05,680
Speaker 12: Now we go into the We go into the dining room,

2397
02:31:06,320 --> 02:31:09,040
Speaker 12: and the first course will be the super course course,

2398
02:31:09,959 --> 02:31:12,119
Speaker 12: and then the next course will be the fish court,

2399
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:16,240
Speaker 12: and then the next course will be sometimes the salad

2400
02:31:16,320 --> 02:31:18,800
Speaker 12: course in a French court in an American system, but

2401
02:31:18,959 --> 02:31:21,039
Speaker 12: in the French system you will have that, then you

2402
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:24,360
Speaker 12: have the main course. Now with each of these courses

2403
02:31:24,440 --> 02:31:27,240
Speaker 12: there is a wine that goes with it. So now

2404
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:34,039
Speaker 12: Nichols is thoroughly a culturated in European table manners and

2405
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:43,200
Speaker 12: dinner survey. Okay, thoroughly culturated now, but Nichols is still

2406
02:31:43,240 --> 02:31:46,880
Speaker 12: not assimilated the max into the mainstream. Because I'm black,

2407
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:50,360
Speaker 12: So it doesn't matter how much a culturation. I can

2408
02:31:50,400 --> 02:31:54,080
Speaker 12: play classical piano, I can I have friends that seen

2409
02:31:54,120 --> 02:31:56,840
Speaker 12: classical musically everything that European we can do at all.

2410
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:02,200
Speaker 12: So we are Eurocentric in our behavior, but we have

2411
02:32:02,360 --> 02:32:06,600
Speaker 12: not been accepted. In other words, we are culturated, but

2412
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:16,360
Speaker 12: not assimilated into the white world. Okay, now because black

2413
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:21,120
Speaker 12: people and psychologists. I'm one of the getting of the psychologists.

2414
02:32:22,520 --> 02:32:26,840
Speaker 12: We in We said, look, we're not putting up with

2415
02:32:26,920 --> 02:32:32,160
Speaker 12: this crap with the American Psychological Association anymore. We are

2416
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:36,800
Speaker 12: going to form our own organization. We are the Association

2417
02:32:36,920 --> 02:32:40,320
Speaker 12: of Black Psychologists, and we're going to look at the

2418
02:32:40,360 --> 02:32:45,080
Speaker 12: psychology of black people. And about this time there's kind

2419
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:47,520
Speaker 12: of an awakening of what is in Africa. We have

2420
02:32:47,640 --> 02:32:52,080
Speaker 12: in Chroma who goes to Ghana and he's setting it

2421
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:55,800
Speaker 12: up and he's making it move, but it's moving too fast,

2422
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:58,520
Speaker 12: so they have to get rid of it. We have

2423
02:32:58,600 --> 02:33:03,200
Speaker 12: Patrice la Mumba. He's moving the congo too fast and

2424
02:33:03,240 --> 02:33:06,400
Speaker 12: the CIA kills him. He said, it's not I'm talking

2425
02:33:06,440 --> 02:33:11,320
Speaker 12: some secrets. It's well known. So what you have then

2426
02:33:11,480 --> 02:33:13,879
Speaker 12: is well, why are all these things happening to Africa?

2427
02:33:13,879 --> 02:33:17,120
Speaker 12: As Africa kinds awakens and have you, well, then you

2428
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:23,000
Speaker 12: have scholars that force you to look at Africa and

2429
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:26,640
Speaker 12: see the contributions that are me And out of that

2430
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:32,760
Speaker 12: movement comes a pride. I mean, there comes a sense

2431
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:34,959
Speaker 12: of pride in being black.

2432
02:33:36,400 --> 02:33:36,480
Speaker 11: You.

2433
02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:39,160
Speaker 12: When I was growing up, people looked at me and

2434
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:44,119
Speaker 12: said hmm. He got that bad nappy hair, okay. And

2435
02:33:44,360 --> 02:33:47,039
Speaker 12: I used to get it cut off almost Paul, because

2436
02:33:47,080 --> 02:33:50,680
Speaker 12: I did not want the bad nappy hair. That imprint

2437
02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:54,520
Speaker 12: is still in ninety four year olds nipples because I

2438
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:57,000
Speaker 12: go and get it almost all of the cutoff, because

2439
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:00,120
Speaker 12: the hair around. I have this little ring around on

2440
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:03,800
Speaker 12: the side of my head that grows this little gray hair.

2441
02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:07,000
Speaker 12: And I look at that and I think Uncle Reemas.

2442
02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:10,520
Speaker 12: Uncle Reemas had this little gray hair all around the

2443
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:13,920
Speaker 12: side and ball right down the middle. And that imprint

2444
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 12: is still in nichols at ninety four years of age.

2445
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:19,400
Speaker 12: I should be able to just grow it out and

2446
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:21,400
Speaker 12: have an afro if I could grow it with no

2447
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:24,560
Speaker 12: hair down the middle. I have some friends and I

2448
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:26,560
Speaker 12: look at them and I say, I don't think cut

2449
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:30,959
Speaker 12: that off. He's got dreadlocks and no hair in the middle.

2450
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:33,320
Speaker 12: All the hair in the middle's gone. He's got a

2451
02:34:33,320 --> 02:34:37,280
Speaker 12: few dreadlocks hanging around the side. I'm thinking because I

2452
02:34:37,320 --> 02:34:40,560
Speaker 12: have been imprinted with this old European way of looking

2453
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:47,440
Speaker 12: at things. But he has an afroscentric thought process. This

2454
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 12: is the natural way that my hair look, this is

2455
02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:52,920
Speaker 12: the way it functions, and this is what I have

2456
02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:57,120
Speaker 12: you see when you look at all these young men

2457
02:34:57,360 --> 02:35:02,000
Speaker 12: with hair all the way down to their ways. When

2458
02:35:02,040 --> 02:35:04,880
Speaker 12: I was coming along, I never never had a clue

2459
02:35:04,879 --> 02:35:08,160
Speaker 12: that it would even grow that long, nor did I

2460
02:35:08,200 --> 02:35:10,240
Speaker 12: give it an opportunity to grow that long because it

2461
02:35:10,320 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 12: was bad in napian Kinki. So Afrocentric says, I am

2462
02:35:17,320 --> 02:35:22,400
Speaker 12: proud of who I am. I accept who I am.

2463
02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:25,760
Speaker 12: I have some people that they can either or a choice.

2464
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:29,200
Speaker 12: Either you're going to be European or you're going to

2465
02:35:29,240 --> 02:35:36,840
Speaker 12: be African, and that's silly. We're both okay, So either

2466
02:35:36,879 --> 02:35:41,160
Speaker 12: you're white or you're black. And I tell people on

2467
02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:46,199
Speaker 12: the job I work white. I'm Eurocentric, and do hold.

2468
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:48,920
Speaker 1: That thought right there. I'm going to I'm so grosseding

2469
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:51,440
Speaker 1: this w just blew past the time. Kevin did never

2470
02:35:51,480 --> 02:35:53,959
Speaker 1: remind me nineteen minutes off the top of our family

2471
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:57,400
Speaker 1: got take a quick break. We're running late, doctor Nicholas.

2472
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:59,720
Speaker 1: I guest eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

2473
02:35:59,720 --> 02:36:01,600
Speaker 1: eight seventy six to speak to him. We'll take your

2474
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:04,000
Speaker 1: calls now, and thanks for rolling with this. Family are

2475
02:36:04,040 --> 02:36:06,920
Speaker 1: so locked into a doctor Nichols are saying, we just

2476
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:10,320
Speaker 1: just missed that the break right there. But hopefully doctor

2477
02:36:11,000 --> 02:36:13,720
Speaker 1: Nicholas apologize for the abrupt break. But I'll let you

2478
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:16,320
Speaker 1: continue because we're so locked into what you were saying.

2479
02:36:16,320 --> 02:36:17,120
Speaker 1: But go ahead.

2480
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:22,080
Speaker 12: Okay. We're looking at being eurocentric or being afrocentric, and

2481
02:36:22,120 --> 02:36:24,879
Speaker 12: that's dichotomy. But we don't want dichotomy. We want to

2482
02:36:24,879 --> 02:36:29,240
Speaker 12: be able to be diunital. That is two things ostensively

2483
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:33,080
Speaker 12: in opposition coming to one. And the way I explained

2484
02:36:33,080 --> 02:36:39,320
Speaker 12: it to you is that on the job, I'm eurocentric. Okay,

2485
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:45,879
Speaker 12: I work by but when I come home, I am afrocentric,

2486
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:50,840
Speaker 12: I'm black. Let me give you an example. At work,

2487
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:54,120
Speaker 12: when you walk in, you may say good morning, you

2488
02:36:54,200 --> 02:36:57,520
Speaker 12: may not. You may go directly to your desk and

2489
02:36:57,560 --> 02:37:03,280
Speaker 12: start working. Well, if you're going carrying afrocentric thinking into

2490
02:37:03,320 --> 02:37:06,840
Speaker 12: your workplace, you're very upset. A someone has said good morning, hello,

2491
02:37:06,920 --> 02:37:09,119
Speaker 12: how are you? Did you sleep well? How's your family?

2492
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:13,400
Speaker 12: They haven't said anything before, just jumping onto the task

2493
02:37:13,440 --> 02:37:17,400
Speaker 12: to do the work well. You can get your feelings

2494
02:37:17,440 --> 02:37:19,800
Speaker 12: hurt if you walk in you say good morning, hello,

2495
02:37:19,879 --> 02:37:22,160
Speaker 12: how are you, and nobody says anything because they're focused

2496
02:37:22,200 --> 02:37:26,920
Speaker 12: on the task. That's what they're focusing on, and you

2497
02:37:26,959 --> 02:37:29,920
Speaker 12: think well, why didn't they speak. Well, don't get your

2498
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:34,360
Speaker 12: feelings hurt. Go in thinking youro I got to get

2499
02:37:34,360 --> 02:37:36,840
Speaker 12: the job done. If somebody says good morning, well grunt,

2500
02:37:38,400 --> 02:37:42,440
Speaker 12: that's it. It's nothing personal. You just get the job done.

2501
02:37:43,080 --> 02:37:48,240
Speaker 12: The object. Now, if you go in and you're dealing

2502
02:37:48,280 --> 02:37:53,720
Speaker 12: with your black colleagues or your Hispanic colleagues, I'm gonna

2503
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:56,080
Speaker 12: say good morning, hello, how are you in house? Family?

2504
02:37:56,680 --> 02:37:59,800
Speaker 12: Because all that is necessary before you can start to work.

2505
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:03,160
Speaker 12: Got to make sure that everybody is okay and then

2506
02:38:03,160 --> 02:38:05,400
Speaker 12: you can start on the task. In the European culture,

2507
02:38:05,640 --> 02:38:07,600
Speaker 12: I don't care whether you're okay or now. I'm going

2508
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:09,760
Speaker 12: to do what I have to do. But I'm doing

2509
02:38:09,800 --> 02:38:16,080
Speaker 12: my part. And so again, Now, Afrocentric is much deeper

2510
02:38:16,120 --> 02:38:19,360
Speaker 12: than just the clothes and hairstyle and what have you.

2511
02:38:19,879 --> 02:38:24,840
Speaker 12: It says with in my core, I know that we

2512
02:38:24,959 --> 02:38:30,480
Speaker 12: are people of the history of the world. I know

2513
02:38:31,400 --> 02:38:37,520
Speaker 12: that we have superior intelligence. Now, if you look at

2514
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:42,160
Speaker 12: England right now, the smartest kids in music, in anything

2515
02:38:42,200 --> 02:38:46,119
Speaker 12: that you can name, all these little geniuses are African,

2516
02:38:46,200 --> 02:38:50,960
Speaker 12: primarily Nigerian children who are raised in England. I don't

2517
02:38:51,000 --> 02:38:56,480
Speaker 12: think that doesn't upset them over there in English. I'm

2518
02:38:56,520 --> 02:38:58,800
Speaker 12: sharing that with you because it isn't just the clothes

2519
02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:03,040
Speaker 12: and the hairstyle. The afrocentric says in my core, I

2520
02:39:03,080 --> 02:39:09,560
Speaker 12: am proud of who I am. Okay, my hair is

2521
02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:14,080
Speaker 12: the way my hair is, my skin is the color

2522
02:39:14,160 --> 02:39:18,200
Speaker 12: that it is. My complexion is who I am, and

2523
02:39:18,280 --> 02:39:22,240
Speaker 12: I'm proud of who I am. I know. Well, let

2524
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:26,039
Speaker 12: me give you another example. Nicholas's Catholic. So they asked

2525
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:28,879
Speaker 12: they have this one, you know, black history Vounce and

2526
02:39:28,920 --> 02:39:31,960
Speaker 12: they want history of black Catholics. Well, it always starts

2527
02:39:31,959 --> 02:39:36,640
Speaker 12: with the slaves that were the enslaved people down in

2528
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:41,480
Speaker 12: Maryland that converted to Catholicism because the Jesuits owned them

2529
02:39:41,640 --> 02:39:47,080
Speaker 12: as slave and then they just sold them to plantations

2530
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:51,520
Speaker 12: in Louisiana to get enough money to keep Georgetown open

2531
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:53,720
Speaker 12: because there was so much in debt. Or you didn't

2532
02:39:53,720 --> 02:39:58,720
Speaker 12: know that one. I was on that committee too, all right.

2533
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:04,880
Speaker 12: So if you then become Catholic, right, then your thought

2534
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:11,240
Speaker 12: about African people and Catholicism starts with sixteen nineteen or

2535
02:40:11,240 --> 02:40:15,400
Speaker 12: when there was the black people came. But when Nichols gave

2536
02:40:15,440 --> 02:40:17,560
Speaker 12: his report to the church, I told him, I said,

2537
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:26,359
Speaker 12: some of the first popes were African. Pope Saint Victor

2538
02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:34,360
Speaker 12: was a one who prevented the system between the Eastern

2539
02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:38,000
Speaker 12: Orthodox Church which later became the Eastern Orthodox Church and

2540
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:45,600
Speaker 12: the Roman Catholic Church. He is the one that excommunicated

2541
02:40:45,959 --> 02:40:50,240
Speaker 12: the top of the Eastern Orthodox Church because there was

2542
02:40:50,840 --> 02:40:56,080
Speaker 12: an argument about the dolphin and this black brother. Pope

2543
02:40:56,120 --> 02:41:00,440
Speaker 12: Saint Victor said, you are wrong. I am the Pope,

2544
02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:06,000
Speaker 12: and you're excommunicated until you get yours act together. And

2545
02:41:06,120 --> 02:41:08,000
Speaker 12: he got his act together and he came back into

2546
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:14,879
Speaker 12: the church. There were three black popes who don't start

2547
02:41:14,920 --> 02:41:21,360
Speaker 12: talking about black history at slavery oh beyond. You see now,

2548
02:41:21,360 --> 02:41:23,960
Speaker 12: how many black Catholics know that with the first dream

2549
02:41:24,320 --> 02:41:30,800
Speaker 12: among the first pote three or more black. And what

2550
02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:33,520
Speaker 12: did they do in terms of writing the things that

2551
02:41:33,560 --> 02:41:36,560
Speaker 12: we see every day and reads as part of Catholicism.

2552
02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:40,360
Speaker 12: What were their contributions in the liturgy of the church.

2553
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:47,880
Speaker 12: So that is my afrocentric reality. I know who I am.

2554
02:41:48,360 --> 02:41:52,680
Speaker 12: I know my African root. Okay, now I still have

2555
02:41:52,760 --> 02:41:55,840
Speaker 12: some residual because you know, I don't let his hair

2556
02:41:55,879 --> 02:41:58,400
Speaker 12: go out because this what is bad and Nappy and

2557
02:41:58,480 --> 02:42:02,200
Speaker 12: Kingki get it cut off. But that's that's because I

2558
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:05,840
Speaker 12: ain't worked that through yet psychologically. So when you come

2559
02:42:05,879 --> 02:42:08,240
Speaker 12: to see me in the coffin, you tell those people

2560
02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:09,920
Speaker 12: be sure to cut that hair off and have all

2561
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:12,560
Speaker 12: that great hair on this side around there in this

2562
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:14,959
Speaker 12: ball head down the middle. Sure to cut it all

2563
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:18,760
Speaker 12: off so it just looks nice and plain. And don't

2564
02:42:18,760 --> 02:42:23,120
Speaker 12: be putting on now Noah on my face, okay, or

2565
02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:26,000
Speaker 12: nut brown. I need to see that the complexion of

2566
02:42:26,040 --> 02:42:30,200
Speaker 12: all all black people had nut brown face power. All right, enough,

2567
02:42:30,280 --> 02:42:33,080
Speaker 12: what's that next?

2568
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:36,800
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question, doctor Nicholas, Doctor Nichols.

2569
02:42:37,080 --> 02:42:40,879
Speaker 1: When we talk about d but the d I, but

2570
02:42:40,959 --> 02:42:42,760
Speaker 1: the people who are some of the people who are

2571
02:42:42,840 --> 02:42:46,400
Speaker 1: presenting d I, they like black folks. I mean, they

2572
02:42:46,879 --> 02:42:49,680
Speaker 1: don't like black boys, but they like a rhythm. They

2573
02:42:49,800 --> 02:42:52,640
Speaker 1: like our music of food. They're like a vibe how

2574
02:42:52,680 --> 02:42:55,720
Speaker 1: we roll speech. Even some of them I hand on TV.

2575
02:42:55,879 --> 02:42:58,720
Speaker 1: We're calling each other brother STU. White boys on TV.

2576
02:42:58,840 --> 02:43:02,080
Speaker 1: The anchor thank you. I'm like, wait a minute, all

2577
02:43:02,360 --> 02:43:05,840
Speaker 1: all all of the stuff that we have, they've taken it.

2578
02:43:05,879 --> 02:43:07,920
Speaker 1: But they don't like our black skin. Some people say

2579
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:10,920
Speaker 1: they like rhythm, but they don't like our blues. Can

2580
02:43:11,000 --> 02:43:13,360
Speaker 1: you can you evaluate that for us.

2581
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:17,120
Speaker 12: Well, what they do is they have the ability to

2582
02:43:17,200 --> 02:43:22,320
Speaker 12: pick and choose because they are they are assimilated into

2583
02:43:22,360 --> 02:43:28,800
Speaker 12: the industry, so they can look at our culturation. We

2584
02:43:28,920 --> 02:43:34,280
Speaker 12: are culturated, and ta can choose. See they they took rap.

2585
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:40,600
Speaker 12: H that was a creative thing. It's such a creative thing,

2586
02:43:40,680 --> 02:43:43,600
Speaker 12: the concept of rap that they teach it as courses

2587
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:47,840
Speaker 12: at Columbia University. Wow, these white people teaching about rap

2588
02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:51,840
Speaker 12: at Columbia and other other white university because it's a

2589
02:43:51,879 --> 02:44:00,280
Speaker 12: completely different construct of intellectual thinking and music. So they

2590
02:44:00,280 --> 02:44:03,320
Speaker 12: need to be codified and find out how it works

2591
02:44:03,600 --> 02:44:05,280
Speaker 12: and put it in the little parts as you can

2592
02:44:05,320 --> 02:44:08,160
Speaker 12: count and measure, so they can attempt to recreate it.

2593
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:14,760
Speaker 12: So the reality is that you have people who pick

2594
02:44:14,959 --> 02:44:18,240
Speaker 12: and choose because they have the capacity to do that

2595
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:23,440
Speaker 12: what they want, but they don't want that other partner.

2596
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:27,280
Speaker 12: Let me show you how crazy that is. I live

2597
02:44:27,320 --> 02:44:34,640
Speaker 12: in a house that was built in nineteen forty seven, Okay,

2598
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:40,520
Speaker 12: And this house has a room in the basement where

2599
02:44:40,560 --> 02:44:46,560
Speaker 12: the maid stays and her own bathroom, a tub of sink,

2600
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:49,800
Speaker 12: and a toilet, all right.

2601
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:50,720
Speaker 4: Now.

2602
02:44:50,760 --> 02:44:54,840
Speaker 12: The reason she has that down there is because the

2603
02:44:54,879 --> 02:44:57,280
Speaker 12: white people who lived here did not want her to

2604
02:44:57,400 --> 02:45:03,960
Speaker 12: use their what their bathroom? Now you want to see

2605
02:45:03,959 --> 02:45:07,800
Speaker 12: how crazy that is. Here's a woman who is cooking

2606
02:45:07,840 --> 02:45:18,320
Speaker 12: their food. About now, if she is so nasty, filthy, unclean,

2607
02:45:19,280 --> 02:45:25,280
Speaker 12: how can she cook their food every day? See how

2608
02:45:25,320 --> 02:45:31,120
Speaker 12: irrational it is? You you had situations where you had

2609
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:35,000
Speaker 12: they didn't have a separate toilet for the uh, the

2610
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:38,600
Speaker 12: main that came to work on the plan to work

2611
02:45:38,600 --> 02:45:41,160
Speaker 12: on the place, he had either hold it or gold

2612
02:45:41,320 --> 02:45:43,959
Speaker 12: out in the garage or some other place and do

2613
02:45:44,040 --> 02:45:47,480
Speaker 12: what she needs to do. And yet she'd come right

2614
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:53,360
Speaker 12: back in and make their biscuits. Now is there any

2615
02:45:53,680 --> 02:45:58,440
Speaker 12: any sense you see? How how how much cognitive dissonance

2616
02:45:58,520 --> 02:46:02,520
Speaker 12: there is between wanting a portion of what you know,

2617
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:05,680
Speaker 12: it's picking and choosings like a la carte. I like this,

2618
02:46:06,680 --> 02:46:08,920
Speaker 12: you know, I like these things, but I don't like

2619
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:11,600
Speaker 12: them fixing it. In other words, all that spread of

2620
02:46:11,640 --> 02:46:14,080
Speaker 12: food is out there on the counter, and when you

2621
02:46:14,120 --> 02:46:17,520
Speaker 12: go to a lovely restaurant, ballas that everything's out there,

2622
02:46:18,440 --> 02:46:20,400
Speaker 12: but you don't want to look at the hands that

2623
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:26,959
Speaker 12: made it, because they're black. And that's cognitive this, It says,

2624
02:46:27,480 --> 02:46:31,519
Speaker 12: as long as I look at them as different from myself.

2625
02:46:33,720 --> 02:46:40,160
Speaker 12: I am better look at all the things that are

2626
02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:48,120
Speaker 12: happening to the fact that SNAP went all. The percentage

2627
02:46:48,120 --> 02:46:51,119
Speaker 12: of black people on SNAP by the comparison of white

2628
02:46:51,160 --> 02:46:56,840
Speaker 12: people on SNAP is just crazy. If we even fifteen

2629
02:46:56,879 --> 02:46:59,480
Speaker 12: percent of the people that are on SNAP as opposed

2630
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:05,680
Speaker 12: to any of the white people that are. Yet, whom

2631
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:09,039
Speaker 12: do you picture every time in these lines that need

2632
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:12,160
Speaker 12: food and talking about the food and security and their jobs,

2633
02:47:13,400 --> 02:47:16,560
Speaker 12: you pick black people? And why is that? That's to

2634
02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:20,440
Speaker 12: reinforce the idea that this is something that is happening

2635
02:47:20,480 --> 02:47:28,320
Speaker 12: to them, not to us, and therefore I am better

2636
02:47:28,760 --> 02:47:32,720
Speaker 12: than they. And as long as you can keep that

2637
02:47:32,920 --> 02:47:39,640
Speaker 12: myth going, then the present government and continue to do

2638
02:47:39,720 --> 02:47:45,480
Speaker 12: what it does. People are beginning to wake up, and

2639
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:47,920
Speaker 12: they've tried to wake up. And the reason they tried

2640
02:47:47,959 --> 02:47:53,920
Speaker 12: to wake up is because their children and grandchildren are

2641
02:47:53,920 --> 02:48:00,960
Speaker 12: not experiencing what happened to the Great Generation after the

2642
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:06,000
Speaker 12: war was over World War two. Through the sacrifices, the blood,

2643
02:48:06,120 --> 02:48:11,160
Speaker 12: the sweat, the tears, that Great Generation they defeated the

2644
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:15,600
Speaker 12: Axis hours at the end of World War Two. Once

2645
02:48:15,640 --> 02:48:19,520
Speaker 12: they came home, they were very hard working and the

2646
02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:22,400
Speaker 12: purpose was to make America the most powerful nation in

2647
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:26,760
Speaker 12: the world. Their efforts were aided at creating a better

2648
02:48:26,840 --> 02:48:31,240
Speaker 12: life for themselves and their family because they had been

2649
02:48:31,280 --> 02:48:33,959
Speaker 12: in the war for two three four five years, they

2650
02:48:33,959 --> 02:48:38,000
Speaker 12: were trying to catch up. They sought better housing. They

2651
02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:42,039
Speaker 12: moved to the suburbs. They built new community, but just

2652
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:48,000
Speaker 12: stopped there. They sought better housing, though they built housing

2653
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:54,400
Speaker 12: in the suburbs, Tileytown and all his other places, Semonicola, Semicole,

2654
02:48:54,480 --> 02:48:58,600
Speaker 12: and however, Coama. Could black veterans get the loan to

2655
02:48:58,640 --> 02:49:03,879
Speaker 12: move out into those places? He answers, what, No, But

2656
02:49:03,959 --> 02:49:06,920
Speaker 12: you could get alone to buy a used house in

2657
02:49:07,080 --> 02:49:11,200
Speaker 12: the city where white people had moved out of the

2658
02:49:11,280 --> 02:49:14,680
Speaker 12: price had gone up for the property. You could get that,

2659
02:49:15,680 --> 02:49:18,119
Speaker 12: but you had to do repairs and update and everything

2660
02:49:18,120 --> 02:49:22,279
Speaker 12: else in this raggedy asshole hose flk sorry, and this

2661
02:49:23,240 --> 02:49:27,640
Speaker 12: deteriorating building. But that's what we were because it was

2662
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:29,640
Speaker 12: red lighted and we were forced to stay in that

2663
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:36,240
Speaker 12: ghettled area. Now, the efforts were aimed at creating a

2664
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:38,920
Speaker 12: better life for their families. They sought better housing. They

2665
02:49:38,959 --> 02:49:42,720
Speaker 12: moved to the suburbs, their children of the areas of

2666
02:49:42,840 --> 02:49:47,760
Speaker 12: wealth and opportunity were the baby boomer all rightn't They

2667
02:49:47,800 --> 02:49:51,600
Speaker 12: had the best schools, the best nutrician and for graduation,

2668
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:55,520
Speaker 12: very often they asked for a car, all right, not books,

2669
02:49:55,560 --> 02:50:00,520
Speaker 12: not tuition, a car. The great generation was re warded.

2670
02:50:00,600 --> 02:50:04,280
Speaker 12: All these people were rewarded by the unions getting races

2671
02:50:04,280 --> 02:50:08,640
Speaker 12: for them. They got bonuses. And when they've finished at

2672
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:12,880
Speaker 12: like fifty, you know, twenty five years of working at

2673
02:50:12,920 --> 02:50:17,040
Speaker 12: Ford Motor Company, they were eligible for retirement. So they

2674
02:50:17,080 --> 02:50:19,959
Speaker 12: got a nice retirement package. And they weren't that old,

2675
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:23,640
Speaker 12: and for the years of their loyal service they received

2676
02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:27,520
Speaker 12: this pitch. They were very happy about. Now their children,

2677
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:31,600
Speaker 12: the baby boomers try to exceed the work habits of

2678
02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:36,480
Speaker 12: their parents. They worked longer out most of them have

2679
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:39,560
Speaker 12: those have a degree now and so they work in

2680
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:42,120
Speaker 12: offices and they work. They hear the model was don't

2681
02:50:42,120 --> 02:50:45,640
Speaker 12: go home until after the boss goes home. You say,

2682
02:50:45,640 --> 02:50:48,520
Speaker 12: they're working until he goes home, and then you go home.

2683
02:50:49,320 --> 02:50:52,560
Speaker 12: They relocated their families for the job. The job says,

2684
02:50:52,600 --> 02:50:56,360
Speaker 12: your next step to move up. And this corporation requires

2685
02:50:56,360 --> 02:51:04,279
Speaker 12: that you move from from from Washington, d C. To Syracuse,

2686
02:51:04,320 --> 02:51:06,400
Speaker 12: New York, or to North Carolina.

2687
02:51:07,200 --> 02:51:08,800
Speaker 1: Right and how I thought right there, Doc, No, I'll

2688
02:51:08,879 --> 02:51:10,560
Speaker 1: let you finish up on the other side, twenty three

2689
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:13,280
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top. Day with doctor Nichols going deep,

2690
02:51:13,320 --> 02:51:16,039
Speaker 1: deep deep this morning, family like you got a question

2691
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:17,840
Speaker 1: for him? Reach out to us at eight hundred four

2692
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:20,440
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take

2693
02:51:20,440 --> 02:51:23,480
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grand rising family seventeen away

2694
02:51:23,480 --> 02:51:25,520
Speaker 1: from the top there, I guess psychono just start to

2695
02:51:25,640 --> 02:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Edward Nichols got a question from reach out to us

2696
02:51:27,959 --> 02:51:31,440
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Dog,

2697
02:51:31,480 --> 02:51:33,200
Speaker 1: I let you finish your thought. I got a quick

2698
02:51:33,280 --> 02:51:35,400
Speaker 1: question for you in Eric in California also has a

2699
02:51:35,480 --> 02:51:37,119
Speaker 1: question for you. But I'll let you finish your thought.

2700
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:38,080
Speaker 12: Okay.

2701
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:38,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

2702
02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:42,840
Speaker 12: With the great generation you had the baby boomers, and

2703
02:51:42,879 --> 02:51:46,039
Speaker 12: the baby Boomers were the one that tried to do

2704
02:51:46,200 --> 02:51:49,280
Speaker 12: outdo what their parents had done. They worked harder, they

2705
02:51:49,320 --> 02:51:52,320
Speaker 12: worked more hours, they sacrificed their family, they did all

2706
02:51:52,400 --> 02:51:56,240
Speaker 12: kinds of things to move up into the corporation. Then

2707
02:51:56,280 --> 02:52:00,720
Speaker 12: you got to semicole and however come and that was globalization,

2708
02:52:01,440 --> 02:52:05,600
Speaker 12: and globalization began to take hold, and the baby Boomers

2709
02:52:05,640 --> 02:52:11,240
Speaker 12: found themselves in an insecure work environment. Their jobs were

2710
02:52:11,320 --> 02:52:16,920
Speaker 12: being outsold, their companies were failing. They were going overseas

2711
02:52:17,959 --> 02:52:23,560
Speaker 12: to other places because it was cheaper to operate there

2712
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:29,720
Speaker 12: and import the product here. Those baby boomers lost their

2713
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:33,800
Speaker 12: four oh one K investments. There was a downturn in

2714
02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:37,360
Speaker 12: the economy and they were forced to take any kind

2715
02:52:37,400 --> 02:52:41,720
Speaker 12: of job they could find, and their sense of retirement

2716
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:48,360
Speaker 12: and tension that was remote. Now they're children that you

2717
02:52:48,440 --> 02:52:52,320
Speaker 12: have great generation, the Baby Boomers. They have the next generation,

2718
02:52:52,480 --> 02:52:55,000
Speaker 12: the millenniums. They said, We're not going to go through

2719
02:52:55,000 --> 02:52:58,320
Speaker 12: all those changes. I'm a top in my field. I'm

2720
02:52:58,320 --> 02:53:00,920
Speaker 12: doing what I want to do. I will work for

2721
02:53:00,959 --> 02:53:03,560
Speaker 12: you and you need me because I have skills in

2722
02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:06,760
Speaker 12: nobody else hands. And if I don't like it, I

2723
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:10,640
Speaker 12: can go someplace and give me another job. Now, in

2724
02:53:10,680 --> 02:53:14,240
Speaker 12: a capitalist society, you can't have that much independence with people.

2725
02:53:15,240 --> 02:53:16,480
Speaker 12: But what you have to do is you have to

2726
02:53:16,520 --> 02:53:20,080
Speaker 12: kind of clip their wings too. And what they've done

2727
02:53:20,959 --> 02:53:26,640
Speaker 12: is they have now changed the model of the workforce.

2728
02:53:27,440 --> 02:53:32,160
Speaker 12: In other words, they have now gone to this globalization.

2729
02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:37,800
Speaker 12: That's what killed everybody. See when that when the globalization

2730
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:41,560
Speaker 12: took place, how are we going to compete, and that's

2731
02:53:41,600 --> 02:53:46,600
Speaker 12: where our sense of being black people is very important

2732
02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:51,480
Speaker 12: because we have a different way of knowing and problem solving.

2733
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:57,520
Speaker 12: In our European counterpart, the Asian population, different way of

2734
02:53:57,560 --> 02:54:00,760
Speaker 12: knowing and problem solved. And if all of us get

2735
02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:04,600
Speaker 12: together on a team, we can win. But if you

2736
02:54:04,720 --> 02:54:08,920
Speaker 12: go back to that all white male at Regina, homogeneous

2737
02:54:08,959 --> 02:54:12,600
Speaker 12: group of workers that dissolved from and that's what is

2738
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:16,560
Speaker 12: now happening. If you look to see the top heads

2739
02:54:16,560 --> 02:54:20,480
Speaker 12: of the military, four star general kicked out, woman who

2740
02:54:20,560 --> 02:54:24,880
Speaker 12: was in charge of the navy, admiral kicked out, and

2741
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:31,560
Speaker 12: the self command kicked out. Now you have Trump saying

2742
02:54:32,280 --> 02:54:34,640
Speaker 12: that we have to go into Nigeria to protect a

2743
02:54:34,720 --> 02:54:40,680
Speaker 12: Christian Is that really what's going on? Or are they

2744
02:54:40,720 --> 02:54:48,080
Speaker 12: trying to put American troops into Nigeria so that they

2745
02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:53,080
Speaker 12: can go into the hell and replace where the French

2746
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:57,720
Speaker 12: troops were. French troops were kicked out and this hell

2747
02:54:57,879 --> 02:55:02,800
Speaker 12: has its own currency backed by go They have paid

2748
02:55:02,840 --> 02:55:08,320
Speaker 12: off all their debts. President of the Hell of Molly

2749
02:55:08,440 --> 02:55:13,080
Speaker 12: has created housing for people. There's some work like housing

2750
02:55:13,400 --> 02:55:17,800
Speaker 12: people owned, and he's creating more. In other words, what

2751
02:55:17,840 --> 02:55:20,200
Speaker 12: he's doing is he's taking the money and wealth of

2752
02:55:20,240 --> 02:55:24,680
Speaker 12: his country and he's investing it in your country. And

2753
02:55:24,760 --> 02:55:28,160
Speaker 12: they have projects and things that they're building and what

2754
02:55:28,280 --> 02:55:33,280
Speaker 12: have you. So that is just too much of the

2755
02:55:33,440 --> 02:55:37,160
Speaker 12: resources that the West needs in the hands of black

2756
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:41,480
Speaker 12: people telling you you have to pay for it. So

2757
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:45,320
Speaker 12: what are we going to do about it? Well, they

2758
02:55:45,320 --> 02:55:50,120
Speaker 12: have kicked the French troops out, so who has a

2759
02:55:50,120 --> 02:55:54,160
Speaker 12: bigger army to go in there? You need a pretext. Oh,

2760
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:57,600
Speaker 12: the Christians are being killed. We have got to go

2761
02:55:57,720 --> 02:56:03,160
Speaker 12: in and say the Christians, so be mindful of how

2762
02:56:03,240 --> 02:56:07,879
Speaker 12: we move forward, and we're constantly being attacked and undercut.

2763
02:56:08,280 --> 02:56:14,640
Speaker 12: Hep us in our play. Questions from the audience, right.

2764
02:56:14,520 --> 02:56:17,280
Speaker 1: That my question real quick, doctor, because you mentioned the

2765
02:56:17,360 --> 02:56:20,440
Speaker 1: fact that the white folks they like us swag, like

2766
02:56:20,480 --> 02:56:23,640
Speaker 1: how we talk, we roll music and everything like that.

2767
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Speaker 1: Some of us confused that I'm talking about sisters now

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02:56:26,680 --> 02:56:28,840
Speaker 1: because they want to be like them. White folks want

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02:56:28,840 --> 02:56:30,240
Speaker 1: to be like us, and we got sisters with all

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Speaker 1: this blonde hair. How do you see that? Are they

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02:56:34,680 --> 02:56:36,080
Speaker 1: on the illusion of inclusion?

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Speaker 12: No, hairstylers is hairstyl is just what's what's in bolgue? Okay?

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02:56:44,879 --> 02:56:50,280
Speaker 12: If you saw some pictures of me. I had a throw, okay,

2774
02:56:50,959 --> 02:56:53,480
Speaker 12: because that's what was in style. Nicholas had a throw.

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02:56:54,680 --> 02:56:56,520
Speaker 12: Then you know, if you look at early pictures of me,

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02:56:56,640 --> 02:56:58,560
Speaker 12: like when I was in the army in nineteen fifty

2777
02:56:58,600 --> 02:57:02,280
Speaker 12: and fifty two, it's all cut off, you know. Then

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02:57:02,320 --> 02:57:05,080
Speaker 12: you see me in the eighties or what it was

2779
02:57:05,080 --> 02:57:09,080
Speaker 12: the seventies, I got a frow. So it's hairstyle and

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02:57:09,160 --> 02:57:11,920
Speaker 12: hair color. You can tin it. And I mean it's

2781
02:57:12,120 --> 02:57:16,440
Speaker 12: like the it's like the peacock. It's the notice me.

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02:57:17,080 --> 02:57:21,039
Speaker 12: You know, I want blonde. I can have these streamers

2783
02:57:21,080 --> 02:57:23,520
Speaker 12: of what have you. And then it's going to change.

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02:57:23,560 --> 02:57:25,760
Speaker 12: If you look at certain pictures you see black women

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02:57:25,800 --> 02:57:29,360
Speaker 12: with frows. Then it went to all the straight hair,

2786
02:57:29,400 --> 02:57:32,080
Speaker 12: and then it went to extensions, and now it's it's

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02:57:32,120 --> 02:57:34,520
Speaker 12: placid braids, and it's different colors and what have you.

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02:57:34,920 --> 02:57:37,480
Speaker 12: And it's just temporary. It's not it's not going to last.

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Speaker 12: I mean it's not. It's not a statement of anything

2790
02:57:41,360 --> 02:57:46,680
Speaker 12: other than the style is the style. And if you

2791
02:57:46,760 --> 02:57:50,480
Speaker 12: look begin to see white girls with you know, white

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02:57:50,480 --> 02:57:53,359
Speaker 12: girls have how many of you see with the purple hair.

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Speaker 1: Threads too? Yes, I get it, but it's away from

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Speaker 1: the tab. Eric in California has a question for you,

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Speaker 1: John Line one, Grand Rise and Eric with doctor Nichols.

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Speaker 17: All right, good morning doctor Nichols.

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Speaker 6: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 17: Okay, yes, sir, Yeah, maybe maybe you can help me

2799
02:58:15,600 --> 02:58:18,160
Speaker 17: out with this since you spoke a little bit about

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02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:22,680
Speaker 17: the how the Europeans are more of the population on

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02:58:22,760 --> 02:58:27,640
Speaker 17: the snap benefits than than we are. And I looked

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02:58:27,640 --> 02:58:31,560
Speaker 17: at when they reopened the government, and I think those

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02:58:31,640 --> 02:58:36,959
Speaker 17: eight Democrats did that because I know on Instagram and

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02:58:36,959 --> 02:58:40,960
Speaker 17: and in TikTok, it was a lot of videos showing

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02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:45,280
Speaker 17: a lot of those Maga Trump supporters down in those

2806
02:58:45,360 --> 02:58:47,640
Speaker 17: red steaks that was standing in those.

2807
02:58:47,440 --> 02:58:51,119
Speaker 7: Food lines to get food and they didn't have on.

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02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:52,720
Speaker 17: Their Maga hat.

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Speaker 11: And I think that those those europe I think those

2810
02:58:55,760 --> 02:59:00,400
Speaker 11: white folks in the Senate and those the Democrats was like, yo,

2811
02:59:00,520 --> 02:59:04,160
Speaker 11: wait a minute, it you know, just starting to show

2812
02:59:04,520 --> 02:59:07,520
Speaker 11: the real stuff that our people are are home to,

2813
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:11,400
Speaker 11: especially the Trump supporters. I think they decided to reopen

2814
02:59:11,400 --> 02:59:14,480
Speaker 11: the government because those pictures, those images was looking pretty

2815
02:59:14,520 --> 02:59:19,560
Speaker 11: bad on Instagram and and hiptop. So what's what's your

2816
02:59:19,560 --> 02:59:20,240
Speaker 11: take on that call?

2817
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Speaker 14: Can I remain on the line for a quick second

2818
02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:22,800
Speaker 14: to hear the.

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02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:25,520
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Doc.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's you see, what you're doing is you

2821
02:59:28,959 --> 02:59:34,080
Speaker 12: have to show images. So when you show images from Washington,

2822
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:37,360
Speaker 12: d C. We see black images because we're primarily the

2823
02:59:37,480 --> 02:59:41,160
Speaker 12: largest population in the Washington area. But when you show

2824
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:44,160
Speaker 12: out in Iowa and out in California and other places

2825
02:59:44,600 --> 02:59:47,760
Speaker 12: that the populations are predominantly white, and they show white

2826
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:51,520
Speaker 12: images and the scene of white images in line asking

2827
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:54,680
Speaker 12: for food, it is not something that you want to

2828
02:59:54,680 --> 02:59:57,160
Speaker 12: say when this is the richest country in the world,

2829
02:59:57,320 --> 03:00:01,680
Speaker 12: and it's not saying that U. It doesn't corroborate what

2830
03:00:02,480 --> 03:00:06,640
Speaker 12: you are hearing from this administration about where the best country,

2831
03:00:06,640 --> 03:00:09,200
Speaker 12: we're the most riches, were all these other things. And

2832
03:00:15,879 --> 03:00:20,959
Speaker 12: because of that dissonance, you have to do something about it.

2833
03:00:23,280 --> 03:00:25,000
Speaker 12: And so that's why you have the people. But now

2834
03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:28,640
Speaker 12: look the people, the ten that did it, they don't

2835
03:00:28,680 --> 03:00:32,320
Speaker 12: come up for reelection, not this cycle. But it's you know,

2836
03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:35,600
Speaker 12: four years from now. Others are a couple of them

2837
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:39,600
Speaker 12: resigning and some of the others are leading government too.

2838
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:45,879
Speaker 12: So you see that that ten, even though they they're

2839
03:00:45,879 --> 03:00:48,840
Speaker 12: in safe positions. What I'm saying, they won't reap any

2840
03:00:48,879 --> 03:00:54,440
Speaker 12: repercussions from from the from the boss of the Senate,

2841
03:00:55,240 --> 03:01:00,720
Speaker 12: or having pulled away from the mainstream. And of course

2842
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:04,360
Speaker 12: it looks bad. Trump knew it would look bad. And

2843
03:01:04,400 --> 03:01:08,440
Speaker 12: because when we had all these people winning, and these

2844
03:01:08,480 --> 03:01:17,439
Speaker 12: predominantly like the governor of New Jersey, the governor of Virginia,

2845
03:01:18,200 --> 03:01:22,400
Speaker 12: and then the mayor of the City of New York,

2846
03:01:22,440 --> 03:01:25,240
Speaker 12: that's too much cognitive distance. These people are winning. We

2847
03:01:25,360 --> 03:01:29,240
Speaker 12: got to change the rule. So that's what they did.

2848
03:01:29,320 --> 03:01:33,039
Speaker 12: They had to say something to bring it all back around.

2849
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:36,959
Speaker 12: But now, look, there's a punitiveness here that we have

2850
03:01:37,040 --> 03:01:42,600
Speaker 12: to look at. There's a whole lot of punitive. The

2851
03:01:42,640 --> 03:01:48,000
Speaker 12: two of the courts said, now right now, pay for

2852
03:01:48,040 --> 03:01:51,640
Speaker 12: the full month or whatever it is. Immediately you go

2853
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:57,959
Speaker 12: to the court and you get well, we're filing an objection. Well,

2854
03:01:57,959 --> 03:01:59,920
Speaker 12: the court has to give you time to develop the

2855
03:02:00,040 --> 03:02:04,680
Speaker 12: ejection and then present it to the court. That's structure.

2856
03:02:05,879 --> 03:02:09,200
Speaker 12: So what you've done is, even though a lower court

2857
03:02:09,280 --> 03:02:14,280
Speaker 12: says give it to them now, because of the punitiveness,

2858
03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:17,879
Speaker 12: we're gonna punish you. So we will wait till the

2859
03:02:17,920 --> 03:02:22,080
Speaker 12: court tell, the Supreme Court tell. And of course the

2860
03:02:22,120 --> 03:02:25,560
Speaker 12: Supreme Court is balanced in a way that you're going

2861
03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:28,640
Speaker 12: to get more things asked that are in line with

2862
03:02:28,680 --> 03:02:31,160
Speaker 12: what the administration wants.

2863
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:36,800
Speaker 1: You know, before run out of time, just saying another

2864
03:02:36,920 --> 03:02:40,200
Speaker 1: incident that came out this morning, Doctor Nichols, that the

2865
03:02:40,240 --> 03:02:42,400
Speaker 1: New York Times, all the newspapers are reporting this is

2866
03:02:42,440 --> 03:02:44,080
Speaker 1: going to be the biggest story for the day. Family,

2867
03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:46,119
Speaker 1: So I'll just drop it on you say that Epstein

2868
03:02:46,200 --> 03:02:50,560
Speaker 1: a legend emails that Trump knew about his conduct. Sometimes

2869
03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:54,720
Speaker 1: you wonder the timing your thoughts on that real quick, Dr.

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Speaker 12: Nichols, Well, it's a game.

2871
03:02:57,400 --> 03:02:57,720
Speaker 1: You know.

2872
03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:03,000
Speaker 12: What What was most striking to me is when Trump

2873
03:03:03,080 --> 03:03:08,160
Speaker 12: went to meet Putin in Alaska and all before, if

2874
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:10,520
Speaker 12: you listen to the days of the conversation. We have

2875
03:03:10,600 --> 03:03:12,160
Speaker 12: to end this, we have to end this. We have

2876
03:03:12,200 --> 03:03:16,880
Speaker 12: to end this. And then Trump meets him and within

2877
03:03:16,920 --> 03:03:20,200
Speaker 12: an hour it I'll change it. But my question is

2878
03:03:22,080 --> 03:03:27,040
Speaker 12: what you got on Trump? What you've got? What pitches

2879
03:03:27,080 --> 03:03:29,920
Speaker 12: you got? He must have some pitches in there somewhere

2880
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:34,560
Speaker 12: with nobody won't or he's got some contracts or something

2881
03:03:34,600 --> 03:03:38,760
Speaker 12: that people don't want. You don't change from one statement

2882
03:03:38,800 --> 03:03:41,080
Speaker 12: as you get on the plane and within five minutes

2883
03:03:41,120 --> 03:03:44,000
Speaker 12: after you get off, you change it, you have to

2884
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:48,800
Speaker 12: think about it. They're scandal there, but you know it's

2885
03:03:48,959 --> 03:03:51,039
Speaker 12: it will hardly come to the light of day of

2886
03:03:51,120 --> 03:03:54,720
Speaker 12: it if it's all possible to keep it hidden. They're

2887
03:03:54,760 --> 03:04:00,280
Speaker 12: scandal there. But with this situation, people excuse me whatever

2888
03:04:00,280 --> 03:04:05,800
Speaker 12: he did, because people are single voter issues. As a Catholic,

2889
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:09,320
Speaker 12: what with the Catholics wanting Catholics wanted the right to

2890
03:04:09,560 --> 03:04:15,440
Speaker 12: like no no abortion. Okay, that's their Catholic Catholic dogment, right,

2891
03:04:15,480 --> 03:04:19,039
Speaker 12: that's what the Catholic and they voted for him because

2892
03:04:19,080 --> 03:04:23,520
Speaker 12: that's what they want in spite of the character, that ethics,

2893
03:04:23,560 --> 03:04:25,880
Speaker 12: the morality and everything else that you could look at

2894
03:04:26,360 --> 03:04:28,560
Speaker 12: that if anybody else was running for it and not

2895
03:04:29,000 --> 03:04:31,560
Speaker 12: the single issue that you wanted, you would have said,

2896
03:04:31,560 --> 03:04:35,040
Speaker 12: I don't want them, but to get the single issue,

2897
03:04:35,080 --> 03:04:37,400
Speaker 12: you see, that's the That's the way Europeans are in

2898
03:04:37,480 --> 03:04:41,040
Speaker 12: terms of the object. I want that object and whatever

2899
03:04:41,080 --> 03:04:47,200
Speaker 12: it takes, I don't care as long as I get back, okay.

2900
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:50,400
Speaker 12: And there were other groups that had that object that

2901
03:04:50,480 --> 03:04:54,360
Speaker 12: they wanted and they voted for him too. And don't

2902
03:04:54,360 --> 03:04:57,680
Speaker 12: be fooled about you know, Christianity, because a lot of

2903
03:04:57,720 --> 03:05:00,080
Speaker 12: these Christians ain't Christians, ain't got nothing to do.

2904
03:05:00,280 --> 03:05:05,680
Speaker 1: Right, all right? Thank thank you doctor Nichols. Thank you

2905
03:05:05,720 --> 03:05:07,800
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Folks, we

2906
03:05:07,959 --> 03:05:10,280
Speaker 1: learned a lot. If you didn't hear the entire conversation,

2907
03:05:10,400 --> 03:05:12,600
Speaker 1: make sure you get a copy of the podcast. Thank you,

2908
03:05:12,680 --> 03:05:15,119
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols again for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

2909
03:05:15,560 --> 03:05:18,080
Speaker 12: Okay, you're very welcome, and send me a copy of

2910
03:05:18,120 --> 03:05:19,040
Speaker 12: the podcast.

2911
03:05:19,320 --> 03:05:22,279
Speaker 1: We'll do all right. That's doctor Edward Nichols. He's a psychologist,

2912
03:05:22,360 --> 03:05:24,880
Speaker 1: foundly one of the best psychologists we have in our community.

2913
03:05:25,160 --> 03:05:27,280
Speaker 1: But that's it for the day. Class is dismissed, and

2914
03:05:27,360 --> 03:05:30,880
Speaker 1: stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see

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03:05:30,879 --> 03:05:33,600
Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB and also on the DMV on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL.