1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,119 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun Show. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: This Monday Gun Day with the Gun Guy. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 3: Just watch up with the guns. 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 4: They'll get you. 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Guy, stop calling your arms gun you ever? 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Nigel Show. 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: My name is Nigel Chasing Hammers here also live in studio, 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: Guy Relford, host of The Gun Guy Show Saturdays. Here 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 3: on ninety three wib C Second Amendment Attorney Licensed Firearms Instructor. 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 4: Guy, how are you? 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: I am great, and thanks as always to our sponsor 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere Arms in Brownsburg, the 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: largest selection of New Houston historic firearms in the Midwest 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: and p Jeles located in the farmhouse right out front. 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: Check them out at thirty seven and fifty four South 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: Green Street in Brownsburg or Premiere Arms dot com. 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: So, Guy, how does it feel that we've made you 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: sit in the middle? Do you feel like you're a 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: bitch right now? 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: Guy? Well, I've kind of been that. I don't know, 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 4: that's not news. Yeah right, No, I like this. 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: I had no idea where that comment would have came from. 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: Like I could have either got a laugh or a 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: gun pointed in my face. 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: One of the two directions right there. 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: No, I laughed. 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: No. 29 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: I like this. 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: In fact, when I did my show for the first 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: time from the new studio on Saturday, I'm looking around 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: and going I'd get more guests in here. It's kind 33 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: of a cool interactive environment for having guests in here. 34 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to look forward to doing that. 35 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: We have more microphones available for guests now we do 36 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: a full round table. We just got to get the 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: streaming issues figured out. But hey, baby steps, baby got 38 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: to learn to crawl before you can walk. 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: And we're almost there. Yeah, you know what I mean. 40 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: People are working hard. It's coming together. There's growing pains, 41 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: I get it. 42 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: But dude, our engineer team, bless their heart. They are 43 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: working around the clock. Every two seconds there's a new 44 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: fire for them to put out. 45 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: So that's walking around here. 46 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: He looks like one of these guys that's like got 47 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: PTSD from non. 48 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: Man. 49 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: If you go up to him in the hallway, hey 50 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: our YouTube stream isn't working, he just kind of has 51 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: a slow turn to you and a SIG's kind of 52 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: dangling out of his mouth and he's looking off into 53 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: the distance like, Okay, you can fix it. 54 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 4: When you're ready. 55 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: You know, in my show's a calling show on Saturday, 56 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: I did not have a single caller. Ether my show 57 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: is completely ignored by all my listeners because usually half 58 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: my show is callers and I get a single caller, 59 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: So I have a little cynicism about whether the phone 60 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: lines are working. But hey, well we'll get through all 61 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: that stuff. They're working hard and we'll be all right. 62 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: Guy, what I think the most you sent us a 63 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: bunch of stuff, yeah, to talk about during your segment. 64 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 4: We'll probably push this into two segments. 65 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: I thought the most interesting one you sent me were that, uh, 66 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: this link that says private citizens are over five times 67 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: less likely to shoot an innocent bystander in public than police. Interesting, 68 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: and there's a piggyback with that that armed civilians stop 69 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: mass shootings much more than FBI or the media have 70 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: previously reported it. 71 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: And more than the police. 72 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: These these two kind of go hand in hand. Can 73 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: you break down what this means? 74 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? You bet. This all comes out of research done 75 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: by the Crime Prevention Research Center. This is doctor John R. 76 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: A lot and he's a statistician. It's been involved a lot. 77 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: He's the author of More Guns Less Crime, So that 78 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: kind of tells you where he's coming from. But you know, 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: we hear a lot of people that oppose either national 80 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: reciprocity or the opposed constitutional carry. And they said, well, 81 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: we can't have all these civilians walking around, these untrained, 82 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: irresponsible civilians walking around with guns, because what are they 83 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: going to do. They're gonna shoot each other, They're gonna 84 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: shoot us, you know, and I unsafe. You know that 85 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: you hear the liberal byline all the time because you 86 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: know these people are walking around with guns. And and 87 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: so doctor A. Lott did a study and looked specifically 88 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: at the numbers of times that a private citizen in 89 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: a public shooting scenario will actually hit a bystander, comparing 90 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: that to the number of times the police in a 91 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: public shooting have hit an innocent bystander. 92 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: And this is not to say we're bashing police, and. 93 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: He made that point in the article. When I published 94 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: it on my social media, I made that point. This 95 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: is not criticizing police at all. And police were involved 96 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: in a lot more public shootings, and so that you know, so, 97 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: but the ratio is still is still important. And it 98 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: turns out that police are five point seven times more 99 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: likely to shoot an innocent bystander than a private citizen 100 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: based on the numbers. And this is going back to 101 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: I think six years ago. 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: I've always if I were in a nightclub or a 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: restaurant and something should happen and some crazy lunatic should 104 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 3: open fire, and there's a civilian with a gun nearby, 105 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: I would much rather have a shot at him, you know, 106 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: I'd much rather I'd rather have somebody in there armed 107 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily as well as trained as a police officer, 108 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: you know, rather than nobody at all. See, And that's 109 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: what and that's the thing you were getting at. You 110 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: were like, well, I don't want just these crazy guys 111 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: with no training with it. 112 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 4: I'd rather have that than nothing at all. 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Well, and it's a time factor too, right, Like the police, 114 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: as you know, fast as they can get there are 115 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: still minutes away. 116 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: For the most point, there are minutes away. They have 117 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: to get to the location, they have to make entry 118 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: to the location, they have to find the bad guy. 119 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: And that's exactly the advantage. And an armed citizen has 120 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: Jason exactly your point. They're there there present. This is 121 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: like Eli Dickon in the Greenwood Park Mall. He's there now, 122 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: in that case, he was forty three yards away across 123 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: the food court. But he's there, He's present immediately, and 124 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: I went to this awesome presentation. I've talked to you 125 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: guys about this before. Guy named Ed Munk. He has 126 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: studied every mass shooting, public shooting in US history, with 127 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: a focus on school shootings, but he's looked at every 128 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: public shooting in America and its history, and he says, 129 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: you know what, I can calculate within a range, but 130 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: with a lot of specificity. I can calculate the number 131 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: of casualties in any mass shooting based on two things. 132 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: He says, time and math. That's it, time and math. 133 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: You know what time and math means. It means the 134 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: amount of time it takes for the first armed responder 135 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: to arrive, and then multiply times known ratios, and they'll 136 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: give you your expected range of casualties. So it's the 137 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: amount of time it takes for someone with a gun 138 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: to respond to that mass shooting. And every single time 139 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: he can predict within a range, how many how many 140 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: casualties you're going to have. 141 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: It's Monday Gun Day with the gun guy Guy Relford 142 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: and Guy Trump. President Trump's been talking a lot lately 143 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: about possibly or at least being open to the idea 144 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 1: of reclassifying marijuana. Now, this has been a hot topic 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: in Indiana for a while because seemingly all of our 146 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: neighboring states have some sort of legalization of marijuana. I 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: know the police aren't really too excited about that idea here, 148 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: but let's talk about gun owners. What would a potential 149 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: reclassification of marijuana mean for legal and responsible gun owners. 150 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: It's a perfectly phrased question, Jason, And yeah, President Trump 151 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: came out with an executive order and essentially directed the 152 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: FDA to look at reclassifying marijuana because right now, it's 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: his Schedule one, which is right up there with heroin 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: and cocaine, you know, as the the most dangerous. 155 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 4: Seems a little extreme. 156 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, it's completely and look, that's not on my agenda. 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: I learned in college that marijuana and I don't get along, 158 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: but for a lot of people, there's a legitimate medicinal 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: purpose behind it, right, and so it's ridiculous as classify 160 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: as Schedule one. So President Trump came out with his 161 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: executive order just last week and said, hey, let's reclassify 162 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: this to Schedule three. If they do that, that means 163 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: you can get a prescription for marijuana that would be 164 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: legal under federal law. That's huge because federal law right 165 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: now says you cannot possess a firearm if you are 166 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: a user of or addicted to any illegal drug. And 167 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: since marijuana is still illegal at the federal level as 168 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: a Schedule one, then there's no way to legally both 169 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: be a user of marijuana and possess a firearm in 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: the US. And that's true even in those states that 171 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: have legalized marijuana at the state level. So if federally 172 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: they reclassify it to a Schedule three, and then you're 173 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: in a state, and this is where it puts pressure, 174 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: I think on Indiana politicians. If you're in a state 175 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: that has legalized medicinal marijuana, then you get a prescription. 176 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: Now you can be a legal gun owner and use marijuana. 177 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: As a lot of people I know and love dearly 178 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: who are veterans, are you know suffering from PTSD? People 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: have a guess trientrological problems. There's a lot of issues 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: that marijuana apparently remedies very well, including veterans with pain 181 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: or PTSD. Those people would then be able to legally 182 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: be users of marijuana if this goes through, but only 183 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: in Indiana. If Indiana legalizes medicinal marijuana, and. 184 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Real quick, we got about thirty seconds here the chances 185 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: of that happening. You're a guy that has gone to 186 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: the state House, You've written legislation, So what's the priority there? 187 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, look, we've got Eli Lilly in town apparently 188 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: opposes it. You don't have a lot of momentum behind it. 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: But I think Indiana frankly looks ridiculous. With all these 190 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: states around us that that have done the right thing 191 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: in my mind and legalized at least medicinal, if not recreational, 192 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: Indiana is starting to look as stupid as we did 193 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: with no Sunday sales on alcohol for so many years. 194 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: We're starting to starting to look exactly like that. I say, hey, 195 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: let's join the twenty first century here. 196 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: If somebody wants to ask you a question, hire you, 197 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: or anything and in between, where can they go? 198 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: No? 199 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: Contact me on Twitter, give me a follow while you're 200 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: on there. I'm just at Guy Relford on Twitter. 201 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Guy, you're the best man. Appreciate you, Merry Christmas to 202 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: you and your family. 203 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you guys. Man, have a great time 204 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: at the Colts Games tonight. Man, I'm jealous of you guys. 205 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: Will it's to have our Nigel Show.