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Speaker 1: It was the same that don't mean it's trash rap.

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Speaker 2: That's all we're saying. Judge the judge the rapid. But

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Speaker 2: they have it.

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Speaker 1: We heard the album, bro, that's an Okay album about albums.

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Speaker 3: On the album, I put you like this, if they

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Speaker 3: got him at okay, if they had him.

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Speaker 1: Make good, I went, I went on, that's.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 3: In hip hop conversations, you see the whole crew is here,

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Speaker 3: so no need for formal introductions. But today we're having

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Speaker 3: a conversation based off of the YouTube channel duply and

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Speaker 3: the seven Levels of Rappers. So this came across Ken's

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Speaker 3: YouTube algorithm, put it in the chat and we was like, well,

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Speaker 3: this is interesting, let's talk about.

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Speaker 1: So that can kind of guide where he wants to

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Speaker 1: go this thing. You know when you see something like

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Speaker 1: seven Levels of rappers, like, well, what what are the levels?

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Speaker 1: How you're breaking this n seven? It was very precise number.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I was curious. And then

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Speaker 1: I saw shout Out and j Nolan. I saw that

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Speaker 1: he actually was doing a reaction to I din't get

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Speaker 1: a chance to watch his video when it popped up.

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Speaker 1: I was curious, So that's why I said, you guys

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Speaker 1: like just kind of talk to you guys about it

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Speaker 1: and see what you guys get, you guys thoughts on

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Speaker 1: a different label levels that he has, and I also

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Speaker 1: give you the examples from the video. And then if

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Speaker 1: y'all want to ask some people in there, y'all can

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know y'all on this PC

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Speaker 1: ship these days.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, we could probably add some.

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Speaker 1: But I thought it was it was it was really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was dope. I thought the video was

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Speaker 1: actually low key kind of funny.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with level one. He calls trash.

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Speaker 1: His definition of that is artists who produced consistently bad

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Speaker 1: rap with no redeemable qualities, characterized by poor flow, annoyed voices,

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Speaker 1: and stupid lyrics. And the example was Birdman, WHOA that

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Speaker 3: Can don't just give one because he gave He gave

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Speaker 2: We can't just say Birdman.

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Speaker 1: That that's the name that we know all one context.

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Speaker 5: Dude, Ice JJ fish is a perfect example.

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Speaker 2: What is you talking about? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't only take that serious. We can't even call

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Speaker 3: But that's why in the video he was giving levels

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Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so Girlman was the best level of trash, and

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Speaker 3: I JJ fish.

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Speaker 2: Was the lowest.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay on the.

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Speaker 2: List too, thank you.

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Speaker 3: And that's why you just can't say Birdman because you

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Speaker 2: He said, Oh okay, what doesn't even matter.

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Speaker 4: He does.

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Speaker 1: Levels of trash matter, levels of trash. Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: for every level he gave so many rappers, so that

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Speaker 1: I ain't no levels of trash. Was the thing it

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Speaker 1: is that you think there's levels of trash.

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Speaker 4: Be put trash? Yeah, what would you put real trapping?

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Speaker 4: The levels of trash? He's just trash the.

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Speaker 1: Way this guy broke it down to the second level. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let me get let me give you some additional context.

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Speaker 1: What is talking about. He has the girl boss, the artists,

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Speaker 1: for different characterizations of like the different levels, and Soldier

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Speaker 1: Boy was the pop star and bird was the old school.

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Speaker 5: He puts Soldier Boy in level one trash trash.

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Speaker 1: There's no way you soldier boys and the trash rappers.

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Speaker 5: Soldier Boys absolutely not have had this.

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Speaker 1: I have had this conversation with them with how was

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Speaker 4: That is crazy, y'all.

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Speaker 2: He's level two, then you gotta be at.

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Speaker 4: Least level two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so level two is what give me?

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Speaker 4: Is a name?

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Speaker 2: You know what, he's a name.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that's why you have the pop star,

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Speaker 1: that's why he's he's a pop star.

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Speaker 2: Trash rappers. He was in that level to level two

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Speaker 1: I know you still scratched up about Soldier Boy.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 2: That you offended that Soldier Boys.

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Speaker 4: Because you think he is.

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Speaker 2: I think he's at least level two. So you're that

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Speaker 2: he's not trash, but he's not. Can he be trash? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Well bad?

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Speaker 4: It's Soldierboy.

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Speaker 2: You you could.

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Speaker 5: You had a whole country.

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Speaker 5: He had kid doing the you but he's trash.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's trash them You got kid, he's a pop star.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, how do you You wouldn't to me, you wouldn't

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Speaker 6: even entertain trash can entertain soldiable millions of people entertained

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Speaker 6: Soldier Boy.

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Speaker 1: But this might be a long trash he said, somebody that.

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Speaker 4: Internet. U.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't even matter. Be why it doesn't even matter?

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Speaker 1: So bad Rod is probably where you think Soldier Boy

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Speaker 2: However, their ability.

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Speaker 1: Is limited also to one sound or flow, and that

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Speaker 1: may resort to gimmicks, especially and the example that fight.

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Speaker 2: Yes and Will Smith that Soldier Boy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you think so, well, well, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: fresh Prince. We're talking Will Smith's not fresh Prince, not

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Speaker 1: back in the day that heart. Will Smith is the

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Speaker 2: He's just dropped.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, if you said a new ship.

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Speaker 5: When I saw when I saw it, I was like,

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Speaker 5: it's bad.

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Speaker 4: I think the new she is kind of trash. She's

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Speaker 4: kind of trash. Yeah, yeah, it's trash.

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Speaker 1: But he said bad Smith he said, yeah, it's example,

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Speaker 1: Soldier Boy would get played more than the new Will Smith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: But y'all he's bad bad, He's.

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Speaker 2: In that category. Look, he's not trash. You can't call

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Speaker 7: He's in the bad I get this if if get so,

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Speaker 8: To and y'all trash and Ice Spice just described as

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Speaker 5: Yes, she's bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, though, because I think this is revision is history, man, I.

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Speaker 2: Thought she had a career based on the video.

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Speaker 3: He played three different songs and it was the same flow, Bro,

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Speaker 3: it was the same ship.

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Speaker 1: That don't mean it's trash either way.

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Speaker 2: So next level three rides we got. Level three is mid.

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Speaker 1: This level describes rap that is neither good nor bad

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Speaker 1: off the serve. That's background music and suitable for situations.

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Speaker 1: We're not offending people is the goal. These artists may

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Speaker 1: but their lyrics are blanding forgettable. Examples are Tiger money

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Speaker 1: Bag you know and trap this Scott.

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Speaker 4: I've never listened cra Yeah as a rapper, what what?

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: That based off of that base off I think you're

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Speaker 2: going by name right. I think you keep focusing on

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Speaker 2: what's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they can still be a.

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Speaker 1: Man sounds show me he's a pop star, mid artist?

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Speaker 2: Is he not rapper?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What does he do?

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Speaker 5: Always purely talking about rap?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah out there.

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Speaker 1: That's why you get confused because you're thinking of like

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Speaker 1: the totality.

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Speaker 2: We're talking ability, we're talking about the people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, every level of rapping.

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Speaker 2: We're not going that's what I'm saying. I think he

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: We're not We're not going over the spectacle.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to rap rap. That's all we're saying. Judge

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Speaker 2: the rap. Judge the rap, not.

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Speaker 4: Rash.

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Speaker 2: We're not judging how much you can sell. We're not judging.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not judging.

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Speaker 2: None of that. And ry it's trash. That's right. If

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Speaker 2: I tell this.

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Speaker 5: Nigga rapt me going here.

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Speaker 2: Rap alright, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I get it now, Okay, because I was about to say,

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Speaker 1: what the fucking mind of Twilight on Travis Scott rules,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that this was God seven levels a rapper.

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Speaker 1: Then you read that, Yeah, but I don't remember rappers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the the mid rappers are who again?

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Speaker 4: Can Travis Scott right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tiger and Travis Scott.

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Speaker 5: Yes, all right, that niggas is men.

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Speaker 2: So next stuff is okay? Level four? Okay, okay rappers.

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Speaker 1: Level four rappers are respected rappers, could be introspective, you sass.

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Speaker 2: Flows are impressive rhyme schemes.

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Speaker 1: They are generally well regarded by casual listeners and o D,

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Speaker 1: but they're still considered decent rather than great.

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Speaker 2: Any can y'all guess it was? Okay? I think they

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Speaker 2: put in there Big Shine, I can't remember the third.

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Speaker 1: Big Shane is definitely in the okay level. They got Cordon,

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Speaker 1: that's Jack Carlow. I think Jack Carlow Jack Carlow level.

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Speaker 2: Three the next level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you all agree with Jodan Lucas albums.

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Speaker 4: As okay?

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Speaker 3: Joiners a tear above that?

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Speaker 2: What's the So you think Jordan the local Joiner would

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Speaker 2: be in the good level? Level five? Yes, Joiners a

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Speaker 2: good rapper, So level five rappers?

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Speaker 4: You don't think Big Shan is a good rapper?

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Speaker 1: I think Big Sho always know he's okay.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely level four because he balances.

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Speaker 1: That's weird because earlier it's like but like recent, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he has a lot of moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this rabbit.

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Speaker 2: You know what we heard the album, Bro, that's an

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Speaker 2: okay album. Talking about albums on the album was was mid.

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Speaker 4: I could Sean and the good.

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Speaker 2: Junk rapping on his album.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about totality of the rapper. I said rapping,

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Speaker 1: rapping on his last album was good. We've heard Big

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Speaker 1: Sean wrap up next to Kendrick. We've heard him wrap

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Speaker 1: up next to to Apps, So we've heard him rap.

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Speaker 5: You know, just you don't just put Big Sean on

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Speaker 5: the on.

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Speaker 1: Records with these guys that can rap if he can't run.

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Speaker 2: Rapp with good rappers.

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Speaker 1: Bro, but that's not the same King, But it's not

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Speaker 1: the same, like like Big Sean consistently rapped with other

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Speaker 1: good rappers. Yeah, but then what happens when he rapped himself?

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Speaker 5: I put you like this, if they got him at okay,

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Speaker 2: Had him make good, I went, I went on that

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Speaker 2: he would like That's what I say under and that's

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Speaker 1: Said he's okay. If you would have told twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: Big Sean out of be like you also, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's fine for that.

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Speaker 5: I gotta put him one, UND say he's fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: He could be good, but he's also okay.

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Speaker 4: It's right, you feel like he's good, like you feel

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you think that.

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Speaker 1: So you guys think Big Shan is as a level

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Speaker 1: five rapper. Rappers at this level possessed undernovel skill that

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Speaker 1: can hold it on against most others. Yes, and selling

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Speaker 1: wordplay double entendres storyteller earned respect from most of the sure,

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Speaker 1: though some purists might just consider them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's big, Yeah, that's big, that's big. Sure, that's

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Speaker 2: that's description. We just.

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Speaker 1: We just said, and he killed the Red Bulls ship.

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Speaker 1: So some of the examples of Kanye, DM Drake and

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Speaker 1: Chance the Rapper good level five rappers, which are good

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Speaker 1: that one time, MS Drake, Chance the Rapper, and Kanye

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Speaker 4: I can keep them there.

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Speaker 3: I put Big Shan there, Yeah, because the purest wouldn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily like love them, but they're undeniable.

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Speaker 4: Like they're good, all right, So yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's too should be easy.

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Speaker 1: Great artists are highly this level sis artists are highly intricate,

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Speaker 1: and the man attention when they're rapping. They can master

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Speaker 1: various fees and never lose their timing. They command instaged

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Speaker 1: from hip hop and fans that often remain relevant in

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Speaker 1: the underground for decades, inspiring future generations.

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Speaker 2: Examples are m F. Doom Common and RICKI, MF.

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Speaker 4: Doom Common and Rock Kim. It's a level above that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one more level. This is level six rappers.

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Speaker 4: And you're saying that these rappers aren't level six?

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Speaker 2: These are?

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Speaker 1: These are You're saying that these rappers aren't level seven?

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Speaker 1: These are They're not level seven, they're level six.

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Speaker 2: We're saying m F.

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Speaker 5: Doom is at level seven rappers six.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not saying you're saying what are y'all saying? Are

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Speaker 1: y'all me personally?

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Speaker 4: Me?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you think level six and not seven?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Do you think that too?

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Speaker 2: I think he could be a could be considered a

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Speaker 4: He absolutely is a fucking level seven rapper.

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Speaker 2: When we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: The description in the level seven Ken level seven rappers

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Speaker 2: These rappers appear once in a generation.

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Speaker 1: Can perform at an elite level across all aspects of rap.

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Speaker 2: This is all rare rap.

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Speaker 4: He's respected on every level at this point.

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Speaker 1: But he can't perform on all aspects of rap, so

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Speaker 1: so let me finish. They see rapping four D capable

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Speaker 1: of complex and simple five flows, thriving in both.

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Speaker 2: Underground and mainstream scenes.

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Speaker 1: Their unique voices are instantly recognizable and impossible to copy,

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Speaker 1: and the examples are Pre Kardashian, Kanye Andre three thousand,

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Speaker 1: Jay z, Kenjil Lamarin, Prime, Eminel, Ghosts. Right, MF Doom

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Speaker 1: has to go in this category because MF dude does

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Speaker 1: it cross over.

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Speaker 4: To the commercial.

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Speaker 1: And I said, that's bullshit, to to this, to this

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're just exactly, I think exactly. I think

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Speaker 1: that I think this is skewed because you only give it,

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Speaker 1: you're only giving mainstream rappers an opportunity to know that

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Speaker 1: that's not about But I do understand why he why

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Speaker 1: he's doing that, because he's like these guys are like

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Speaker 1: the MJ's of the game, like household name.

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Speaker 4: No no no no no no no no no no.

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Speaker 1: What he said in describing it is that you can

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Speaker 1: you do the commercial ship and you have hell respect

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Speaker 5: Aspect of the game. But yeah, that's why I feel

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Speaker 1: But it's not skewed because if you're not, but if

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Speaker 1: you're level seven, that means you master it all. The

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Speaker 1: only thing about the level seven is well not because

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Speaker 1: he had black thought seven. Black was in the roots

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Speaker 1: and he crossed over put that pool from m F Doom. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So so here here's what I think that So we're

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Speaker 2: So okay, see that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So let's do this, let's do this, let's do this,

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Speaker 1: let's do this because this is due plays rappers, this

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Speaker 2: So we need to come up with our own listen,

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Speaker 2: because clearly we have our own version of that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, because so we need to come up with

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Speaker 1: And we talked about rappers, So you're saying Car isn't

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. We need to crazy.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I think for us, the definition

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Speaker 1: of level seven rappers would be different. Yes, so that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, this is what he had.

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Speaker 4: That's why I said, excuse.

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Speaker 1: So based on his definitions, I don't disagree with it,

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Speaker 1: but I think our descriptions would be different.

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Speaker 4: I think we absolutely what this should be. Absolutely bro.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna say if anything y'all can do, y'all

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Speaker 7: can revisit this and actually actively do the tearless like

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Speaker 7: y'all actually sit there and decide which rappers like or

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Speaker 1: His description isn't given like, actually, we're talking about rapping, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Y'all got me corrected early on.

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Speaker 1: If we're talking about rapping ability, the motherfuckers.

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Speaker 5: Can wrap m F doom Ca, all them niggas can

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Speaker 4: All them niggas are elite rappers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're not. But that's what y'all

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Speaker 1: But but but we were talking about crossover appeal underground.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I was trying to do, but I wasn't

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Speaker 1: talking about crossover appeal.

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Speaker 4: That's what.

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Speaker 1: His description is, saying that they mastered the game regardless

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Speaker 1: of whatever it is that you put them.

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Speaker 2: On driving underground and mainstream.

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Speaker 1: So but whit why you're throwing in underground and mainstream

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Speaker 1: if we're only talking about the rapping because their rapping

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Speaker 4: But m F.

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Speaker 1: Doom and all those guys, they didn't have a desire

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Speaker 2: Okay, And that's fine. And so you didn't master all

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Speaker 2: seven levels of the game. Oh my god, it's simple.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. But you know they had a fucking

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Speaker 4: But they have it, damn it.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard rock Barcia on the radio and

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Speaker 1: rock BARSI now, Jesus Christ, he ain't love, he ain't

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Speaker 1: mastered all seven levels?

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Speaker 8: Oh god, God, that's fat, that's fat ship.

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Speaker 4: Yoo God, damn.

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Speaker 1: Look in the defense, all I'm saying is there's one

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Speaker 1: thing that all of those rappers that you name have

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Speaker 1: bro because they because because they can dabble, because they're here,

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Speaker 1: so they could dabble in the under ground if they

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Speaker 5: But you got rappers like the MS Duds, and the

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Speaker 9: That doesn't mean that they can't fucking do it all right, man,

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Speaker 9: conversation right, hey, man, let us know what you guys

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Speaker 9: think when you plays definitions of what these levels, these

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Speaker 9: seven levels of rappers are whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I think we need to revisit this and do

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Speaker 2: our own thing. But let us know what you guys think.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: We'll cut you guys necessary. We all Jesus crazy video.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god,