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Speaker 1: Sporting News as well as Big ten Networking, joins us

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Speaker 1: now on the program. Hi Ike, how are you great?

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Speaker 4: Jake?

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Speaker 1: How are you? You know what it's I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: It's a great time year. We've kind of made it,

435
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Speaker 1: at least for now into the false Spring, and college

436
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Speaker 1: basketball is invigorating it. And I want to give you

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Speaker 1: an observation, Mic, and then I want you to tell

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Speaker 1: me if the observation is off base, because it may

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Speaker 1: well be. But it seems to me like this year,

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Speaker 1: if you were to look at teams that you're slotting

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Speaker 1: on the one seed line, the two seed line, as

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Speaker 1: we start to kind of look at that towards the tournament,

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Speaker 1: that it is tighter, let's say, one through eight or

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Speaker 1: ten than it has been in years past. In other words,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me like there's a higher number of

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Speaker 1: teams that continue to kind of throw their hat in

447
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Speaker 1: and out of the ring of that one seed line

448
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Speaker 1: than we see in most years. Is that my own

449
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Speaker 1: imagination or is there some accuracy to that?

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Speaker 4: Well in terms of the actual seed line, I think

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Speaker 4: what you're saying, what probably would be slightly more accurate,

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Speaker 4: is that that many teams have shown they are of

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Speaker 4: the quality that could perhaps win the national championship. My

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Speaker 4: one seed line has been has been on autopilot up

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Speaker 4: until today, by the way, because like I'm crowdsourcing, does

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Speaker 4: anybody know who the fourth number one seed is? Now

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Speaker 4: that Yukon couldn't handle it out at Creyton, Because there's

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Speaker 4: it's funny because there were times earlier in this year

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Speaker 4: when I'd have like five or six teams for one

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Speaker 4: for the one seed line, and now I have three.

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Speaker 4: So but I do think like Houston, I could easily

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Speaker 4: promote them to the one line if they hadn't kind

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Speaker 4: of let it get away the other night, and I

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Speaker 4: could put Iowa State there, except that they have multiple

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Speaker 4: losses that do not portray a one seed and a

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Speaker 4: lot of their accomplishment it contained some Hilton magic. And

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Speaker 4: I don't mean, I don't mean anything to necessarily negative

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Speaker 4: about that I just mean that they played at home,

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Speaker 4: and so like finding the fourth one seed right now

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Speaker 4: is a real challenge, and that may straighten itself out

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Speaker 4: in the next two three weeks. But the problem is

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Speaker 4: that I could just put anybody down there and be

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Speaker 4: okay with it myself. But the committee's coming out with

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Speaker 4: their partial bracket on Saturday and like to kind of

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Speaker 4: try to get as close to that as possible. So

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Speaker 4: guessing what the committee is doing right now probably up

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Speaker 4: the road from you a ways. I just don't know

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Speaker 4: what to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that's fascinating Mike, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: how this balances itself out over time. But if you

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Speaker 1: look at and let's go with the college football model,

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Speaker 1: you know, when the whole nil roof was blown off

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Speaker 1: right now and transfer portal and everything else, and the

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Speaker 1: narrative from a lot of people was, well, this is

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Speaker 1: just you know, Ohio State and the rich are just

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Speaker 1: going to be the richest and it's over. And yet

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Speaker 1: you had an Indiana that showed no, actually, if you

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Speaker 1: if you know, I mean, we saw what happened there.

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Speaker 1: From the basketball standpoint, what is the most fascinating to me?

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Speaker 1: And I think the portal has a big part of this,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted you to kind of piggyback off what

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Speaker 1: I'm about to say. To your point, there are so

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Speaker 1: many teams that have numerous one seed quality wins, but

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Speaker 1: that's then offset by a couple of where did that

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Speaker 1: come from slip up losses? And I think that speaks

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Speaker 1: to a balance of college basketball across the board that

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Speaker 1: maybe we didn't have twenty years ago. But am I

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Speaker 1: off base and is the recency bias there?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 1: I think there's some truth to that.

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Speaker 4: I think that we've always had teams that lost games,

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Speaker 4: even great teams that would lose games. We haven't had

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Speaker 4: undefeated all the way through since nineteen seventy six, and

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Speaker 4: so there have been those. But I think you're right

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Speaker 4: about the fact that the change in the landscape of

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Speaker 4: college basketball has made it more balanced. The barriers to

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Speaker 4: entry are not as extreme now, and the teams and

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Speaker 4: programs that once had significant advantages because there was basically

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Speaker 4: no pay. I mean, there was certainly compensation in terms

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Speaker 4: of education and eventually cost of attendance and all of that,

511
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Speaker 4: but everybody was kind of the same in that they

512
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Speaker 4: gave you a free education and then you might value

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Speaker 4: the free education at one school more than the other,

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Speaker 4: or you may value the proximity one more than the other,

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Speaker 4: and all those things. Or you may value the tradition

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Speaker 4: or the coach in place at one of the schools.

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Speaker 4: And that tended to be where the best players congregated. Kentucky, Carolina,

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Speaker 4: Indiana for a time, you know, back in Bob's prime

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Speaker 4: and and and other places like that. Well, now that

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Speaker 4: people can say, you know what, we can offer you

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Speaker 4: more money than than they're going to Kentucky's appeal is

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Speaker 4: still there, but it's offset by somebody else offering that

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Speaker 4: particular player a better deal, or maybe they're both offering

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Speaker 4: the same And then you say, well, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of good players here. I know those players, I like them.

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Speaker 4: It's closer to Hall, whatever it might be. And so

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Speaker 4: the incentive to go to Kentucky or go to UCLA

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Speaker 4: or Alabama in football is not as the difference is

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Speaker 4: not as profound. And that's why a really brilliant coach

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Speaker 4: like Kurt Signetti can come into college football and win

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Speaker 4: a national championship at Indiana in two years, and why

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Speaker 4: we have seen a greater variety of teams that are

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Speaker 4: powerful in college basketball. I mean, Florida winning the championship

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Speaker 4: last year. I mean, it's not like they've never won before.

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Speaker 4: But they're not one of those brands in college basketball.

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Speaker 4: You look at the fact they played Houston. Houston hasn't

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Speaker 4: been one of those brands. Since nineteen eighty four. Everything

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Speaker 4: has changed. I argue it's for the better. Do I

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Speaker 4: think it would be better for the athlete if there

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Speaker 4: were some controls on the number of times you could

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Speaker 4: transfer immediately? Yes, But I don't think we get to

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Speaker 4: that without finding some way to do collective bargaining.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the Big Ten. Mike. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he is my guest. He's on the Joba House Cold

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Speaker 1: Brew Coffee guest line. Of course, Mike with TSN, that's

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Speaker 1: Sporting News as well as Big Ten. All right, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I'll get to Illinois a second. I watched them last night.

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Speaker 1: I thought they were fantastic. But I want to begin

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Speaker 1: with this in the Big Ten. Is the pressure getting

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Speaker 1: to Mick Cronin.

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Speaker 6: I think I think it's hard to say.

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Speaker 4: I haven't gotten a chance to speak with him, but

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Speaker 4: I think his disappointment is certainly being reflected in how

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Speaker 4: he is operating. He's disappointed in this group. I don't

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Speaker 4: think there's any question and frustrated. Maybe frustration is even

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Speaker 4: a greater component of it than disappointment.

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Speaker 1: But they're both at work.

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Speaker 4: This team a year ago and then there were some

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Speaker 4: personnel changes and Dai Mara going from UCLA to Michigan

560
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Speaker 4: unexpectedly after he'd already basically committed to stay at UCLA

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Speaker 4: and giving UCLA no time to replace him has had

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Speaker 4: a profound effect on them. But a lot of the

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Speaker 4: same guys are not playing in the way that they

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Speaker 4: did a year ago. They're not playing with the same

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Speaker 4: passion and energy. And they brought in Donovan Dent, who

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Speaker 4: was a star at New Mexico and expected to be

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Speaker 4: apprized of the transfer portal. Then it hasn't worked out

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Speaker 4: that way. Whatever, whether it's the chemistry between the coach

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Speaker 4: and the player, or the player and his teammates, or

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Speaker 4: the elevated level of competition, he's not handled it. And

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Speaker 4: so I think you can see all of that reflected

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Speaker 4: in some of the way he's done business now. I

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Speaker 4: don't have a problem with his snapping at a bad question.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, come like I'll give you a story. In

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, Chuck Tanner. You ask anybody who was

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Speaker 4: in baseball around then, Chuck Tanner was the literal nicest

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Speaker 4: person in the history of sports. But I asked him

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Speaker 4: a question one night in New York about and I

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Speaker 4: was like twenty two years old, doing my first beat,

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Speaker 4: and I tried to ask very diplomatically about the fact

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Speaker 4: that Omar Moreno had a ball hit over his head.

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Speaker 4: And I Omar Morino could run like no one in

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Speaker 4: baseball ever, and he didn't look like he was running

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Speaker 4: like that on this ball. And so I tried very

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Speaker 4: diplomatically to say, did you have any way any problem

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Speaker 4: with the way Omar played Bachman's ball? That's all I said.

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Speaker 4: And he said, well, no, we always play backman in

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Speaker 4: and I said, that's not what I meant. And then

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Speaker 4: he figured out what I meant, and he reamed me

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Speaker 4: for five minutes and it was over.

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Speaker 6: It's why is that a big deal?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 4: Like, I'm sure there were I know there were other

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Speaker 4: people in that office, and I had probably somebody recorded it.

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Speaker 1: I thought, But I thought was Mike. The only issue

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Speaker 1: I had with Cronan, And I had to think back.

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Speaker 1: Derek Schultz had to remind me we interviewed Cronin once

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Speaker 1: and he was fabulous. He was kind, he was engaging,

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Speaker 1: he was nice, he was you know, all of that,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's a heck of a basketball coach.

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Speaker 1: The only issue I have with the reporter is when

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Speaker 1: he said, are you raising your voice at me? And

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Speaker 1: he talked to him like he was a five year old.

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Speaker 1: And I did not think the guy was raising his voice.

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Speaker 1: He was doing what you naturally do in a scrum,

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Speaker 1: which is to elevate, just to enunciate over the three

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Speaker 1: people trying to get a question in, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. That was my issue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that that was necessary. I'll agree

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Speaker 4: with that, but it wasn't a great question. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the guy just got his team's behind kicked by twenty

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Speaker 4: plus for the second time in a row, and he's

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Speaker 4: supposed to be worried about the fact that the other

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Speaker 4: team students were chanting for a player. I don't know

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Speaker 4: why anybody want to ask that.

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Speaker 1: Mike de COURSEI my guest, Mike, Let's get to Purdue

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Speaker 1: real quick, and before we talk about Purdue Indiana produced specifically,

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Speaker 1: you know, is this a team that started out the

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Speaker 1: year and obviously accumulated and had really good contests and

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Speaker 1: got good wins, is produce simply in a rhythm where

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Speaker 1: they're just not playing at their peak right now, and

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Speaker 1: that is something that can be overcome or has the

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Speaker 1: familiarity with the way Purdue plays with this particular group

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Speaker 1: caused now there to be an achilles that has been

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Speaker 1: exposed that you can't come back from.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, let's remember Jake that, I mean, we're

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Speaker 4: less what we're five days removed from them going out

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Speaker 4: and beating it NCAA tournament quality Iowa team on the

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Speaker 4: road by nineteen or no, I'm sorry, twenty one points.

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Speaker 1: And coming off that Nebraska game, right, So that is

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Speaker 1: an impressive two step, and that in Iowa, I think

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Speaker 1: is a really good win.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and you know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so they did not play well against Oregon obviously,

636
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Speaker 4: and that was you know, that was not a great performance,

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Speaker 4: but they were coming off the night or the week

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Speaker 4: before beating Maryland by thirty. Now, Maryland's not ay good,

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Speaker 4: but at least they were doing what they were supposed

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Speaker 4: to do.

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Speaker 6: So in the past.

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Speaker 4: Five games, they've delivered three times and not delivered twice,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not sure that they didn't deliver against Michigan.

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Speaker 4: I will We'll see in time, but Michigan seems to

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Speaker 4: be really tough to compete with.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Michigan State kept it together longer then Purdue did. Purdue

648
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Speaker 4: was behind early and tried to fight back and never

649
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: fully did, whereas Michigan State kept in the game until

650
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 4: the final seven minutes and then got smoked.

651
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 7: So which of.

652
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: Those two is a better result? They both lift the

653
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: same on the you know, they're both els. So I mean,

654
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Speaker 4: I think that this Purdue team has some limitations. I

655
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: never understood why they were voted preseason number one. I

656
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 4: never understood why particular figures who were prominent in covering

657
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: college basketball developed the championship or busts approach to this team. Well,

658
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: I could have said, then, probably get a bus then,

659
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: because who are their NBA draft picks. I've said this

660
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 4: so many times that I'm sure people are tired of

661
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: hearing me say it. But we haven't had a champion

662
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: if NCAA Men's basketball without a first round NBA draft

663
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Speaker 4: pick since nineteen eighty seven. I think the people listening

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Speaker 4: know which team that was.

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00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: You know it, but that's how long it's been. Yeah,

666
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: you know it. And by the way, and might I

667
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: add there were three second rounders at least we could

668
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: say that on that team, right, But no first round

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Speaker 1: is correct, Mike, I thought last night, you know, I

670
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: watched and to me and you tell me that I'm wrong,

671
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: And again maybe a recency biased because I'm going by

672
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Speaker 1: what I watched last night. I think a team that

673
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Speaker 1: could that is just kind of lurking right there and

674
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: is ready to make a move is Illinois. I think

675
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: Brad Underwood's got that team. Playing the way they space,

676
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: the way they can shoot. I think they have all

677
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: areas that you that you would like to see. I

678
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: know Michigan's outstanding, obviously, but is Illinois kind of sneaky

679
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: possibly the second best team in the league.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think they are the second best team in

681
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Speaker 4: the league. Best doesn't really move the needle for me,

682
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: because in the end, it's about what you accomplish, and

683
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: right now, Illinois is creeping up on that in terms

684
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Speaker 4: of being the second most accomplished team in the league,

685
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Speaker 4: if not already there. With Purdue losing this week and

686
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Speaker 4: Michigan State struggling lately, they may already be the second

687
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: most accomplished team. What they did last night was astounding.

688
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: You look at Kylon Boswell returning to the lineup and

689
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 4: starting to get a feel for it. Eight assists last

690
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: night was tremendous. They have been while Kylan was out,

691
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: a lot more reliant on Keaton Wogler than they had

692
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: to be last night. Some of it was because they

693
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: got ahead so early and because they found the ball

694
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: moving through their offense comfortably enough that they didn't have

695
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Speaker 4: to go as often to the pick and roll and

696
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: see what Keaton could create. They're a much better defensive

697
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: team with Boswell back. That was the one thing that

698
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: had become somewhat problematic was their backcourt defense ailed Elijah

699
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: Arenas to eight points last night. That you know that

700
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 4: he only played eighteen minutes, but that teams have not

701
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: been doing that to him.

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Speaker 1: He had been.

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Speaker 4: I think he'd been on a roll of three consecutive

704
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 4: games of twenty four points or more. That didn't happen

705
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: last night. Everything that Illinois has is promising now. The

706
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: question for Illinois at this point will be their three

707
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 4: point balance. They shoot an awful lot of threes for

708
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Speaker 4: a team that can throw three seven footers at you.

709
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Speaker 4: I would like to see them maybe change up a

710
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: little bit so that they're playing inside the lane a

711
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: little bit more. But I think last night was an

712
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: example of where they started to do that, do that more.

713
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: Last night they earned twenty six free throws and converted

714
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: twenty four of them, and they shot more slightly more

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00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: from three, excuse me, from two than three. Think that

716
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 4: balance starting to suggest that they understand that you don't

717
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 4: want to make it reliant on being hot from deep.

718
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: You wanted that to be a component, but you don't

719
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Speaker 4: want that to be the only component, because they have

720
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: other options. They're they're they're very big, they're very powerful.

721
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: They've got so many big guys and so you and

722
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: also guys who can get the ball to the rim,

723
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Speaker 4: with both Woggler and Boswell being examples of that.

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Speaker 1: I love you want to take advantage. I love how

725
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: Boswell's vision is never impeded like late in a possession,

726
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, so like just when you think that he's

727
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: run out of space or the possession is running late,

728
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: he can he has eyes in the back of his head,

729
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And he's he has such

730
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: a control of where the ball is going to go

731
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Speaker 1: for that offense. I thought it was fun to watch

732
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: last night. Lastly, Mike, Indiana Purdue, your thoughts on it,

733
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: notably from the Indiana side since we talked about Purdue.

734
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's going to be a home game for Purdue,

735
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: which and they're obviously going to be very hungry because

736
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: they're they're they're coming off the disappointment of not competing

737
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 4: at the level that they would have wanted to with

738
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Speaker 4: Michigan and so, and also the disappointment of having dropped

739
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: the first of these of this rivalry. So Indiana's going

740
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Speaker 4: to have to withstand what I would expect to be

741
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 4: a pretty furious, intense effort, something similar to when they

742
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 4: went to Kentucky back in December, and Kentucky was playing

743
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 4: what was almost an existential game. I mean, they were

744
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 4: playing for their lives down there, with all the struggles

745
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: they'd had early, they had to get a win, and

746
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: they played the second half with a ferocity that very

747
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: few teams have matched this year anywhere. And so I

748
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: think they're going to Indiana's going to have to cope

749
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: with that up there, and they're they're going to have

750
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 4: to I talked before about Illinois having to have some balance.

751
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 4: I don't think that's an aspiration for Indiana. Yeah, you

752
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: want to get the ball deep when you can, but

753
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: they're going to have to make shots. They're going to

754
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 4: have to shoot the ball at a really high level,

755
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: and some of that involves getting deep and kicking out.

756
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 4: But I don't see them winning the game without hitting

757
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 4: a significant number of three pointers.

758
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Speaker 1: I think any broadcast that involves a reference to Omar

759
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: Moreno means they should ship me to Marconi tomorrow. I

760
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: loved Omar Moreno. Omar Moreno one of my favorites as

761
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: a kid, and so two different franchise Ul Washington as

762
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: well with his toothpick those guys. You get him on

763
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: the base bats man. I was Omar Moreno a plenty

764
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: in the backyard over on Haynes Avenue. I can assure

765
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: you about Mike. Assure you that.

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Speaker 6: Awesome.

767
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time as always, Mike again TSN Mike

768
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: is the ex post Twitter account for Mike de Corsi

769
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: Big ten Network sportings as well. Appreciate it man, my pleasure, Jake,

770
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: thank you all right, Mike to Coursy joining us on

771
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: the Java House, Colbrew coffee guest line. A lot to

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00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: get to today, including we have not mentioned it, a

773
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: big one down in our nation's capitou to quote Forrest

774
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Gum not tonight. Yes that's big, but tomorrow night as well.

775
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: Two step. Who are we talking about? We'll get to

776
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: it next. What are we doing here? What we didn't

777
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: have a meeting? I think after the show about some

778
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: of the musical selections, right, what what are we going with?

779
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: Nothing but like kitty bop music, bubble gum stuff.

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Speaker 3: No, I played more money, more problems last time. I

781
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: thought I was appropriate talking about college basketball.

782
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Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. Right. When you think of Washington,

783
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: d C? What music do you think of? What song

784
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: makes you think of Washington d C? I think of

785
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Freedom, And that's Philadelphia, not DC. That's even weirder.

786
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what what the only person I know,

787
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: like famous person that that is born and raised in

788
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: d C. I mean, I'm sure there are a gabillion,

789
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: especially maybe you know political airs type thing, but Sondra

790
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: Bullock I think is born and raised in Washington, d C.

791
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Can you look that up, Eddie? Look up the birthplace

792
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: or the childhood home of Sondra Bullock. For some reason,

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00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking she's from Washington, d C. I have no

794
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: idea how or why I know that, but or like

795
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: famous people from Washington, d C. She was born in

796
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Arlington County, Virginia. Okay, Metro DC at least, But I

797
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: can't think of it. Maybe there's one that I'm spacing

798
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: on and people are like, dude, you're a moron. How

799
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: do you not know that blank band is native to Washington,

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00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: d C.

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00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: She actually lived in West Germany and Austria for twelve years.

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00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Pacers in Washington, d

803
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: C tonight taking on the Whiz at seven o'clock. Same

804
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow at seven Rick Carlyle on who may or may

805
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: not be available, and what we will see moving forward

806
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: after the break from the Pacers beginning too that next

807
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: now a lot of morisseat is Canadian? Correct?

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00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: Yes?

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00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Not Washington d C? Correct? Yes? This song? Are you?

810
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: Are you intentionally playing the songs that drive me nuts?

811
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Speaker 6: Yes?

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00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: I saw you smirk when you play this. Yeah? Yeah,

813
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: and I love a lot us morisset. See.

814
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: Those are the only two that I know. I got

815
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: to figure out the others. I need to call up

816
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: Derk Schultz, consult.

817
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Just play his voice Bill Nye.

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Speaker 2: Bill Nye, the science guy born and raised Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of us. Morisset, by the way, who

820
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: I love. I thought Jacket Little Pill was an awesome album,

821
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: and I think she's actually really hot. But it may

822
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Speaker 1: be she's brilliant because the irony of the song ironic

823
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: is that nothing about it is ironic. Maybe that's maybe

824
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: the joke was on all of us pacers and actions

825
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: that I taking on the Wiz in Washington. Uh, nobody

826
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: beats the Whiz. Nobody beats the Wiz. That's actually a

827
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: commercial for a hi fi store that I think is

828
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: still in New York City. But it's not necessarily been

829
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: true when playing the Washington Wizards in the NBA, however,

830
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the U because everybody beats the Whiz, and especially now

831
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: because Washington has if you want to talk about tanking

832
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: and you want to make issue with it, you know,

833
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: Washington has acquired pieces that are not going to see

834
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: the floor of the rest of the year. And they

835
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: clearly and they may have pretty decent foundation once everybody's back,

836
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, a year from now. But they're another one

837
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: that are probably in that running and taking a long

838
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: hard look at it. But for the pacers, they got

839
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Speaker 1: fined for interesting rotation, selection of eyes not being on

840
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: the floor. Okay, fine, no pun intended. If you want

841
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: to nitpick the fact that they rested Pascal Siakam against Utah,

842
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: that TJ. McConnell's hamstrings are prone to tightness a lot,

843
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: that Aaron Nee Smith missed a lot of time with

844
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: an injury, maybe more than he could or would or

845
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: should have, et cetera, et cetera. But as I had

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00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, it does feel to me like the pacers

847
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: in jazz getting fined is not far from the Jerry

848
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: Tarcanian quote, the great quote every time that Kentucky breaks rule,

849
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: Austin pe gets punished harder. It feels that way because

850
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, I realized the League has stepped in before

851
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: and blocked trades if they thought it created in balance.

852
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: But Oklahoma City tanked for years and no one seemed

853
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: to notice. And they're the ones that allegedly blew the

854
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: whistle on all of this and complained about it. The

855
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: Knicks maybe didn't intentionally tank for years. They didn't even

856
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: have to per se because they're just terrible, right, but

857
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: or they were. I mean, I don't know about now,

858
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: but Jim Dolan is that's a whole different talk show.

859
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: But there are two players that come into play here

860
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: with the Pacers and whether or not they're putting their

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00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: best foot forward. The availability of the newly acquired Aviza Zubats,

862
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: who of course also is on paternity leave and has

863
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: the ankle injury, and then Obi Toppin, who had the

864
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: fractured foot at the beginning of the year and has

865
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: continued to miss time. Yesterday, interestingly enough, the Pacers' social

866
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: media channels posted pictures of both of them working out

867
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: and dunking. But Rick Carlisle, when asked, had this to

868
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: say about an update on Topping and Zubots.

869
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 8: They're both making steady but gradual progress and it's going

870
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 8: to be a while.

871
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: Okay, you know that's not unlike some of the improvements

872
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: in this building.

873
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: Right, steady, gradual process. It's gonna be while. You may

874
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: want to let the digital team know, so they're not

875
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: posting photos of the players working out in practice dunking

876
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: I think right, yeah, Zubats was dunking and Topping was

877
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: currently drinched in sweat from practicing, all smiles thrown up

878
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: peace signs. I love Topping, but I did notice they

879
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: were smart. That came off the wrong way with it. Somebody,

880
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 3: somebody who's I love Obi, somebody who who is not

881
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 3: playing tonight, was not in any of the photo dumps

882
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: the past two days from practice.

883
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: That would be Pascal Siakam. You say he is playing tonight, No,

884
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: he is not playing today. He's out. See Siakham is

885
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: the one that then, can you remind me that the

886
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: next time that I mentioned how much I like Obie

887
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: Topping to just stick with Obi instead of saying that

888
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: the other way around, because that comes off the wrong way.

889
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: What is Siakam's ailment? Eddie?

890
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: Personal?

891
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? Personal? Okay? I did you recall? And it

892
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: was about this time of year.

893
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: I'll be looking by the way it's a night on

894
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: the bench to see if he's even there, because if

895
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: he's not there, that means he's not playing tomorrow.

896
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. Okay, So you have android Imhart's back though, right, yes, yeah,

897
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: nim Hard. Nie Smith is going to be in right

898
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: and maybe he's questionable, Okay. Who else is listed on

899
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: the injury report?

900
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: Micah Potter questionable left ankle spring and by the way,

901
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: the designation for Aaron E.

902
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: Smith, Jake lumbar string or sprain? Sorry, lumbar sprain, okay, TJ.

903
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: McConnell questionable, right hamstring soreness.

904
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: You know there are certain cars that don't offer great

905
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: lumbar support. Yeah, you know that. Yeah, he must drive

906
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: one of those, maybe, Okay, Potter NEI Smith? Who else

907
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: did you say?

908
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 6: Well?

909
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: N Smith was getting and the game before Brooklyn, I

910
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 3: can't remember who they were playing before the break, New York.

911
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: That game in New York, he left briefly with the

912
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: back ailment and then he returned. Rick Carlisle said after

913
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: that game in Madison Square Garden that he was getting

914
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: acupuncture in the locker room really immediately after the game.

915
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Potter new Smith, give me the other ones here,

916
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: Potter new Smith, McConnell questionable. And what's McConnell's injury, right

917
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: hamstring soreness? That that hamstring that has been a tough deal, right, Yeah, and.

918
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: Then you've got mount zoobots out for fee out, topping

919
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: out Tyrese out.

920
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: Okay. So so basically what we're getting at is second verse,

921
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: same as the first right.

922
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say that, and you can also say

923
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: that you know that one hundred thousand dollars finds not

924
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: stopping them.

925
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: One of the things that was peculiar to me, and

926
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: I appreciated it was Kevin Pritchard has been a lot

927
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: more active on social media lately, kind of gauging from

928
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: fans where they stand of what is the thought process.

929
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: And I think, by and large, Eddie, I've seen the

930
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: phases of Pacer seasons, the different the variation. I remember

931
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: the Brown Curtain days. I remember the days of Jose

932
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Slaughter and Brooks Steppe and Steve Stapotovich and be sure

933
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: to come out to see Julius Irving and cool in

934
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the gang will perform afterwards. I remember those days. I

935
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: remember the days of competitive and then late injury and gosh,

936
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: darn it so close, get into the playoffs and that's great,

937
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: and then get swept by New York in the early nineties.

938
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: And then I remember the days of of course, the

939
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: post brawl years and the we have to trade our

940
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: test and at least we got Paso Stayakovic years and

941
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: ikedagu and you know, Mike Dunlevy and guys that you're

942
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: hoping grow into becoming franchise players. And in those times,

943
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: there were times where the Pacers seasons were lean out

944
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: of necessity, and there were times where the Pacers seasons

945
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: were lean out of you know, bad fortune, and there

946
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: were times where the Pacers seasons were lean out of ineptitude.

947
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: And this is one where it's the combination of bad

948
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: fortune and then potentially flipping that into for a rarity

949
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: with this franchise the way things have worked in the

950
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: draft fortune. And so for that reason, as they play

951
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: tonight in Washington and tomorrow night in Washington and then

952
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: they come home Sunday for kind of a matinee with Dallas,

953
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: I think that there is patience amongst the fan base.

954
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: I think people understand and are totally in for it.

955
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for fans here, but I

956
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: go to the games, Eddie, and I'm lucky enough and

957
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: blessed enough to go, and I appreciate it. But I

958
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: go to the games and I look at the crowd,

959
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: and the crowds are good, and there are people that

960
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: are there, and I mean, they're still getting eighteen a night,

961
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's because they are still being rewarded

962
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: for the magic they gave us, and because for now

963
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: there is that goodwill continuation of people understanding, Look, your

964
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: franchise player went down. It was a heartbreak to everybody.

965
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: You're one of the more popular above the rim guys

966
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: went down, and we understand that it's going to take

967
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: a while to get him back. And your center defected

968
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: on you, so we understand it. And it seems to

969
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: me like this fan base this year is totally invested

970
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: in the punt and they're there for it now. Speaking

971
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: of therefore, and I want to get to the other

972
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: thing that I talked about earlier today, and this has

973
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: all happened in the last day where this has really

974
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: come to a head. Last night, I got back from

975
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: Tarah Hood at about ten thirty, and again, thank you

976
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: to Indiana State and the Spirit squad there for allowing

977
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: me to fulfill my lifelong dream of being a mascot.

978
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: And I got to be Sycamore Sam in the pregame.

979
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I handed the duties over once the game

980
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: began and the introductions and everything else to the real

981
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: kid that does it, and he's fantastic, and I loved

982
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: every minute of it. I loved everything about it. And

983
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: I also have a total appreciation for those that do

984
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: that on the regular because as much as I loved

985
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: being in that uniform, and as surreal as it is

986
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: to have this anonymity because no one knows who it

987
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: is inside of it and they can't see or whatever else.

988
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: Having said all of that, immediately it was hard to breathe.

989
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: It's hot and you sweat, but it was hard to breathe.

990
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: And the athleticism that goes in it's a workout. It

991
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: really is a workout. Because I had it on for fifteen,

992
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen minutes, maybe I wouldn't say twenty, probably fifteen minutes,

993
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, by the time it was done,

994
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: it was like I had been on the treadmill for

995
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. It was. It was that I sweated

996
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: that much. I mean, it was fat, but it was

997
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: I loved it. Thank you to Tammy at Indiana State.

998
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: Thank you to the support staff there that were so

999
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: accommodating and so welcome and so welcoming, I should say,

1000
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: and a great arena. You know, I've been obviously to

1001
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: the Holman Center. But it was a great night. And

1002
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I got back from that and when I got back,

1003
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking on social media and I see a report

1004
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: from our colleague ab Duel from our sister station WIBC,

1005
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: where he's saying that the Indiana Ways and Means Committee

1006
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: is going to have an announcement today regarding the Chicago

1007
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: Bears and a move potentially to I'm in Indiana, and

1008
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, Abduel's got to stay in his lane.

1009
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this is it's been a couple of weeks

1010
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: since we've heard anything on this. What is he talkt

1011
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing that's going to happen tomorrow and then lo

1012
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: and behold what happens. But he was totally right. So

1013
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: kudo's to Abdul. And I mean, who am I to

1014
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: say that he wouldn't know what's going on within things

1015
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: at the state House. And I don't even know. I'm

1016
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: not smart enough to know what an Indiana Ways and

1017
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: Means Committee is, but I know that what that means

1018
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: is that the state government in Indiana has said to

1019
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: the Bears the following. Because when I was thinking about it,

1020
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you exactly as I said

1021
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: it earlier today, when I was thinking about it, and

1022
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: in mulling over and sitting there wondering if, in fact

1023
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: I needed to redirect today's show and talking about the

1024
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: possibility of not one, but two NFL franchises calling Indiana

1025
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: home and how bizarre and surreal that is and at

1026
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: the same time cool. To be honest with you, I

1027
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. It just had my brain going, and I

1028
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. And so finally, instead of just sitting there

1029
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: and allowing brain roppings hit me, at three forty eight

1030
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: in the morning, I got up and went into the

1031
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: other room and turned on the tap and I was

1032
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: still wacky on the vibes and the juice and the

1033
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: mojo and the love of being, of being Sycamore Sam

1034
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: truth be told. I mean, that really was what was

1035
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: keeping me up, and I turned on Seinfeld thirty year

1036
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: old show. I get it, but I think most people

1037
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: still are aware of Seinfeld. They've seen it on Netflix,

1038
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: they see it whatever else. Thirty years old. I get it.

1039
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: But the episode that I turned on was the one

1040
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: and humor me if you heard me mention this earlier.

1041
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: But I think it's the best way that I could

1042
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: use to understand what's going on with the bears in

1043
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: the state of Indiana. There was the episode where Jerry

1044
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: and Elaine were riding out a couple that was together

1045
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 1: that Elaine has always had a crush on the guy

1046
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: and Jerry has always had a crush on the female,

1047
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: and so they're talking about it, and Elaine got word

1048
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: that the relationship was rocky, and they both say, we

1049
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: got to figure out a way to make a move

1050
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: on this. Now is our time. Now is our and go.

1051
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,479
Speaker 1: And Elaine comes up with the incredible game plan. Let's

1052
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: both call them and simply say I heard things might

1053
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: be rocky, and I'm there for you, and I'm just

1054
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: going to continue to let them know I'm there for you.

1055
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: And then once they break up and they're ready to

1056
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: move on with their lives, guess what, I'm no longer

1057
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: there for you. I'm just there. And they both say

1058
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: that is a brilliant plan. And that's what the state

1059
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: of Indiana has done with the Chicago Bears. If you're

1060
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: not aware of the backstory here, or if you're wondering why,

1061
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: or if, like many people myself included, you're saying, are

1062
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: the Bears really moving to Indiana? Let me explain. The

1063
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: Bears have had a rocky relationship with the city of

1064
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: Chicago and the government of Illinois for years because the

1065
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: Bears have always talked about going to a new stadium.

1066
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: This is not new in Chicago. The Cobs have talked

1067
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: for ever about moving out to Schomberg in different places

1068
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: and leaving Wrigley Field, and how can you do that.

1069
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: It's a historic venue. No way you can leave Wrigley

1070
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: And in the end it always works itself out where

1071
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: the Cubs stay. But the Bears have talked about over

1072
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: the number of years, whether they wanted renovations like the

1073
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: spaceship that was dropped on the Soldier Field, whatever it

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01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: may be. The Bears want a new stadium for their football,

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, for the franchise. And they secured three hundred

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: acres a parcel of land in Arlington Heights in suburban

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01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: Chicago and said, we want to build a stadium here.

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01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: We want to stay in Chicago, the Chicago land area.

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01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: We want to stay in Illinois. But what we're asking you,

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: the state of Illinois, is this, we want a forty

1081
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: year property tax freeze. We have this land where we're

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01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: going to build this stadium. We want forty years of

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: no property taxes. We're not going to pay a property

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01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: tax for forty years. If you want us to stay

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Speaker 1: in Illinois, and you want us to stay in the

1086
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: Chicago Land, then you'll promise us that. And in addition

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01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: to that, you also will help fund eight hundred and

1088
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars for a new stadium. Eight hundred and

1089
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars for a new stadium. Now, they've gone

1090
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: back and forth with this for years, and as they

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: went back and forth and their demands were never necessarily

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01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: emphatically met or promised, Indiana kept saying, you know what bears,

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: if things go south with the state of Illinois or

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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: the City of Chicago, we just want you to know,

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: as your neighbors, we're there for you. And so here's

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Speaker 1: where we stand. Mike Brown, the governor of Indiana, and

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: the legislature in the state of Indiana have said this

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: could be a financial boom to the region, the Indiana

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: Chicago Land region of Hammond. Notably, there's been some mention

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: of like portage was mentioned at one point. I've heard

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: a couple of different towns, but it appears as though

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01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: Hammond is the deal, and they have gone to them

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01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: and said, if in fact you want to send that message,

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01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a place to go, then why

1105
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: not Indiana. We're there for you. So now Indiana has

1106
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: basically put it into overdrive by saying, yes, we are

1107
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: here for you if you would like to do this.

1108
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: And the Bears today issued a statement to basically say emphatically,

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01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: you know what we have now an option. We have

1110
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: an option, and we are committed to moving forward with

1111
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: that option. They issued a statement today, did the Bears.

1112
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: So too did the State of Indiana. But the Bears

1113
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: and a statement said, quote, we are committed to finishing

1114
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: the remaining site specific necessary due diligence to support our

1115
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: vision to build a world class stadium near the Wolf

1116
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: Lake area and Hammond, Indiana. We appreciate the leadership shown

1117
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: by Governor Braun that it mentions other politicians in establishing

1118
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: this critical framework can path forward to deliver a premier

1119
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: venue for all Chicago land and a destination for Bears

1120
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: and visitors from across the globe. We value our partnership

1121
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: and look forward to continuing to build our working relationship together.

1122
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: Indiana replied with the following statement, quote, Indiana is open

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01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: for business and our pro growth environment continues to attract

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01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: major opportunities like this partnership with the Chicago Bears. We've

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Speaker 1: identified a promising site near Wolflake and Hammond and established

1126
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: a broad framework for negotiating a final deal if approved.

1127
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: The proposed amendment to Senate Bill twenty seven puts forward

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Speaker 1: the essential framework to complete this agreement, contingent upon site

1129
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: due diligence proceeding smoothly. That from Mike Braun. Here's what

1130
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: this all comes down to and why this is more

1131
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: now than just a power play. Last night, as I

1132
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: was watching that Seinfeld episode and I mentioned this earlier,

1133
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: I had just gotten done watching the end of a

1134
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: game on the West Coast that ended like close to

1135
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: midnight between Illinois and USC. Illinois and USC. It was

1136
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: a conference game in the Big Ten. Think about the

1137
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: absurdity of that USC in the Big Ten. UCLA in

1138
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: the Big Ten sounds absurd. It's a reality we know

1139
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: that still feels weird. Oregon and Washington came in just

1140
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: after they did, because the commissioner of the Big Ten,

1141
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: who had carried the Big Ten through COVID, said, you

1142
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: know what, there's opportunity here UCLA and USC and the

1143
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, the PAC twelve network has not delivered for

1144
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve teams. So I the commissioner of the

1145
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: Big Ten, I'm going to reach out to the power

1146
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: teams in the PAC twelve, notably USC because of their

1147
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: football brand, and Oregon as well because of their football brand,

1148
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say to them, we know things

1149
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: aren't going well with the PAC twelve network and with

1150
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: your conference. So if the conference starts to dissolve, just

1151
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: so you know, we the Big Ten are there for you.

1152
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind. And then if the PAC

1153
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: twelve dissolves or the PAC twelve network goes away and

1154
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: you need a place to go, We're no longer there

1155
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: for you. We the Big Ten are just there. And

1156
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: USC and UCLA jumped to the Big Ten. Why is

1157
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: this guy on radio in Indianapolis when talking about the

1158
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: Bears pivoting and talking about UCLA and USC joining the

1159
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: Big Ten. This guy's ad d's driving me crazy? Understood

1160
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: the commissioner that facilitated that move, that had the foresight

1161
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: for the Big ten to say, let's just plant the

1162
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: seed in case the PAC ten dissolves, of the PAC

1163
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: twelve and its most lucrative members need a place to go,

1164
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: let's plant that seed because it's about expansion and what's

1165
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: best for our league. And the commissioner of the Big

1166
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: Ten that did that got UCLA and USC on board,

1167
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: then left for another job, but already had greased the

1168
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: wheels for Oregon and Washington to come as well, which

1169
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: they did, and the Big Ten then, as a result

1170
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: of getting that West Coast footprint, the Big Ten then

1171
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: signed a seven billion dollar television contract that has every

1172
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: other conference in the country scrambling and chasing it and

1173
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: figuring out what they're going to do. And that commissioner

1174
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: of the Big Ten that left left the Big Ten

1175
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, his name is Kevin Warren. After

1176
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: a career in the NFL that led him into the

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01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: Big Ten, he went back to the NFL, and he

1178
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: did so by taking a job as the chief financial

1179
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: officer of the Chicago Bears. So the precedent tells you

1180
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: right there that the man making the decisions, pulling the strings,

1181
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: driving the bus for the Bears in terms of their vision,

1182
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: is the one that already has history of doing something

1183
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: of listening to and in his case, he was the

1184
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: one that said we're there for you, but making things

1185
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: happen by seeing where the dollar signs are. And for

1186
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: the state of Indiana, for an area that has financially struggled,

1187
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: the steel mills of Chicago are a shadow of what

1188
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: they once were. The commerce and the factory and the

1189
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: jobs and the industry and the revenue in northwest Indiana

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01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: is a fraction of what it once was. Do I

1191
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: believe personally that the Bears would be the answer to that?

1192
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: I do not do I believe personally that people are

1193
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: going to say that live in Arizona. If the Cardinals

1194
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: get to the NFC title game against the Bears and Hammond, Indiana,

1195
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: that they're going to say, let's go right now and

1196
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: book ourselves a three night at Wolf Lodge in Crown Point. No.

1197
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: I think they're going to say, let's go stay on

1198
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: the Miracle Mile in Michigan Avenue in Chicago and enjoy

1199
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: all of it. And then on Sunday we will take

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: a train into Hammond and take a train right back.

1201
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people that live in

1202
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, Lake Zurich and Lake Forest and we'll met

1203
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: and all of the areas of the North Shore that

1204
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: have money are going to basically drive down park their

1205
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: car for the day drive home. I don't think they're

1206
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: going to be suddenly spending money and surplusing it in

1207
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,480
Speaker 1: some entertainment aspects at avenues all around the stadium in Hammond, Indiana.

1208
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: But that's a different that's for another time. What is

1209
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: interesting to me now is now we're starting to hear that,

1210
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: in fact, Indiana may be willing to put in some

1211
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 1: public dollars. That's where I have opposition to it, because

1212
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: at least in this area, Indianapolis and the Doughnut Counties.

1213
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: I can love Lucas Oil State as much as anybody,

1214
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: but I could also say that it was a terrible

1215
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: fleecing of the taxpayers in this town because we were

1216
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: told that it was going to be a one size

1217
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: fits all. You don't have to worry about it again.

1218
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: Option if we build that stadium and then what happens.

1219
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: But now we're going to build another one for soccer. Oh,

1220
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: I thought we already built our You sold it to

1221
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: me as a one size fits all. But that's a

1222
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: different talk show. I'm simply here to tell you that

1223
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: the Bears moving to Indiana. While I thought it absurd

1224
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: two to three weeks ago, the more that I've dug

1225
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: into this. The more that I've looked at it, and

1226
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: the more that I think in the end they probably

1227
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: end up getting what they want and staying in Arlington Heights.

1228
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: But Chicago and in the state of Illinois are two

1229
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: areas that are notorious for red tape, lagging everything behind

1230
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: politically speaking, and getting things done. And Indiana just simply

1231
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: said we're there for you. And it appears as though

1232
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: now they're there and that's where things stand. And I

1233
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: think a big reason why you have to look at

1234
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: this as distinct possibility is because of the man from

1235
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: the Bears standpoint that is overseeing it. Big one in

1236
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: college basketball tonight. We'll get back into that and big

1237
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: events last night in college troops that I'll tell you about.

1238
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: I think you know what I mean, but we'll do

1239
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: so next. There are a lot of wrinkles that we'll

1240
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: get into with James Boyd when he joins us coming

1241
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: up top of the hour about what it could mean

1242
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: for the Colts if and I know that it's very

1243
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: easy to say it doesn't impact the Colts at all

1244
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: if the Bears were to move to northern Indiana, and

1245
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: there's probably some truth to that. One thing that I

1246
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: think I learned when I went to IU. You know,

1247
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: when you draw a map of the state of Indiana

1248
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: and you put that little curve up in the top left,

1249
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: because that's where Lake Michigan comes down. The reality is

1250
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: that little curve is like a whole punch that you

1251
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: can extend another two inches into your little map and

1252
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: just lop off. Because when you get to just north

1253
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: of the wind farms, if you're driving to Chicago, when

1254
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: you get to Fair Oaks or just north of that,

1255
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: let's say Winnimac and north. Everyone up there when they

1256
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: go on a vacation and they're on a cruise and

1257
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: they sit down with the couple from another area of

1258
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: the country for dinner and they say, where are you from,

1259
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: all of those people say just outside Chicago. Like none

1260
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: of them say, oh, yeah, I'm from Indiana. You know,

1261
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: there's that whole area that is still Bears country and

1262
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: Bowls country. Truth be told, that's just the reality of it.

1263
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: And so that to me is the one thing that

1264
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how much the Bears being in Hammond

1265
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: would take a bite out of the fan base of

1266
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: the Colts in that area because it's mostly Bears fans anyway,

1267
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: but I get it and that what would that mean?

1268
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: Would the Colts then feel less allegiance to the state

1269
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: of Indiana. That's probably a better way of asking it.

1270
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: The I think the I don't know this. I want

1271
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: to be very clear that I don't know this, but

1272
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: it is my belief and I know that I'm probably

1273
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: alone on this island, and I don't want to be

1274
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: correct in this. I'm not saying I am. It is

1275
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: my belief that the ownership stability of the Colts, and

1276
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: by that I mean who owns it is not as

1277
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: one hundred percent lockstock and barrel past, you know, for

1278
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: the next year as people assume. I think the daughters

1279
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 1: would absolutely. I think it is their hope and desire

1280
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: and love of the franchise. But I also think there

1281
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: is the possibility that there are financial things that could

1282
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: come into play that would make it more viable, like

1283
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: you saw with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, to have an

1284
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: ownership change. It's just the reality. If you look again

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: precedent Denver Broncos, Seattle Seahawks, and with in the state

1286
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: of Indiana, what is a challenge is Timberwolves too? Yeah,

1287
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: I mean you know, you get to a point where

1288
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: the days of individual owner purchase are fewer and further between.

1289
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: It is now conglomerate group, investment group, and then they

1290
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: they would do what's best. The one thing that's good

1291
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: for the city of Indianapolis, I believe is that if

1292
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: there was an ownership change, and even if the sisters

1293
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: held the daughters, you know, the RSA girls, even if

1294
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: they held a portion of the ownership, there's not a

1295
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: lot of places to go unless you were going to

1296
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: expand Mexico City, Toronto, you know, Europe. In the States itself,

1297
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: San Antonio would be an option. But the Saints were

1298
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: lock stock and barrel moving to San Antonio, moving after

1299
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean literally moving after they couldn't get a new

1300
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: renovation deal or whatever on the Superdome, and they were

1301
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 1: playing already, they were doing renovations I think to the Superdome,

1302
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: and they were playing some games anyway in San Antonio.

1303
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: And I can tell you the staff of the Saints

1304
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: were told they were going to San Antonio, and then

1305
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: Katrina happened, and they realized that from a pr standpoint,

1306
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: they could they had to stay in New Orleans. But

1307
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: san Antonio, I would think if you really were going

1308
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: to move a franchise there, Jerry Jones would have something

1309
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: to say about it. The Texans would have something to

1310
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: say about it. That's my assumption, Jerry Jones notably. Then

1311
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: outside of that, I you know, Saint Louis, okay, But

1312
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: I can tell you as somebody who worked in Saint Louis,

1313
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of challenges from a corporation standpoint

1314
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis of that kind of back Indiana Purdue

1315
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, that game in West La Faiette, pregame at

1316
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: seven PM on our sister station, WIBC, game tips at

1317
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: eight interesting because it does feel like Purdue. This happens.

1318
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: It happens where teams put it all together and you

1319
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: go back. I still remember if you listen to the

1320
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: audio of the nineteen eighty one national championship that Indiana

1321
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: won and Max Skirvin after Don Fisher says, you know,

1322
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: Indiana's won the national championship, and Max Skirvin says, boy,

1323
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: this basketball team. Think about their season. They were absolutely

1324
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: horrible out in Honolulu. You know, they were twenty six

1325
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: and nine, They lost nine games, and it wasn't until

1326
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: late in the year when night basically said to Isaiah Thomas,

1327
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm just handing you the offense. And then they were

1328
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: often running and they were a juggernaut in the tournament.

1329
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: But that was it conceivable in November, December, even in

1330
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: early January. Now we are obviously much later into the

1331
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: year than that. I mean we're two weeks from March

1332
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,919
Speaker 1: or ten days or whatever is from March. But Perdue,

1333
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: it feels like now you have a much clearer idea

1334
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: of what they're ceiling is. And I don't know that

1335
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: they are a national title team. I do think they're

1336
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: a Final four contender, but they are more matchup dependent

1337
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: and there was a time this year where I truly

1338
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: did feel that matchup dependent was not the case for

1339
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: them because it didn't matter who they were going to face.

1340
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: And I think now Perdue, you could look at it

1341
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, they have deficiencies, notably guarding the three

1342
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: point line. They have deficiencies that have made them vulnerable,

1343
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 1: and that is of concern Indiana. On the other hand,

1344
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: you tell it different story when it comes to Indiana,

1345
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: because any ceiling that Indiana gets is like gravy, because

1346
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: they basically had to completely piece me of their roster together.

1347
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying any of this to lean towards nor

1348
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: be an apologist for Indiana versus Purdue. I really like Purdue.

1349
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: I thought when Purdue went to the championship game was

1350
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: Zachi Edie. I thought though it was one of the

1351
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: better storylines we've covered. And I think people can tell

1352
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: by having Elliott Blumont that I've had on and the

1353
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: way I speak a Matt Painter. I've just got a

1354
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: ton of respect for Purdue basketball. And I don't know

1355
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: as much about Darren Devrees and Indiana basketball, but I

1356
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: think they I think they are a better team than

1357
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: they were at the beginning of the year, and I

1358
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: think we've learned a little bit more about Indiana. I

1359
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: think we've learned that Tucker Devrees is not very athletic

1360
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: and can't get his own shot, and maybe he's maybe

1361
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: that's somewhat limited by injury. I think we've learned that

1362
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: they have a flat out score in Wilkerson, and then

1363
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: they had the ability to get second and third scores,

1364
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: whether it be Alexis or Dorn or DeVries at times,

1365
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: but they just don't get the consistency of scoring one

1366
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: through three that they need in order to be, you know,

1367
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: where they've always where they could potentially go, and they're

1368
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: still a year away from that when they can build

1369
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: truly their own roster, because this was a piecemeal roster.

1370
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: But I do think they play pretty well. You know,

1371
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: I think given the circumstances, they've had a good year.

1372
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: They've worked their way into the tournament. I don't think

1373
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: they're going to play the way out of the tournament,

1374
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: but they're probably a nine to eight team that wins

1375
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: a coin flip game if they win a tournament game.

1376
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: And this is a big one though, going into Purdue,

1377
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: because Perdue is sure they would like to have the

1378
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: Michigan game back, and they did not play well in

1379
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: that game, and they certainly did not guard the perimeter well.

1380
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: And if Indiana is able to shoot well from the

1381
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: periter on the outside, then advantage Indiana. But it just

1382
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: it seems to me like Perdude does have a higher ceiling,

1383
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: but it is I think we now have a clearer

1384
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: understanding of where that ceiling is. I mean, that's the

1385
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: big thing now. Last night, Indiana state in that I

1386
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: haven't talked abut you know, I talked so much about

1387
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: being the mascot, and it was awesome everything about it.

1388
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, I watched them against Northern Iowa, and you know,

1389
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: I really want and I know that this year because

1390
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: of Matthew Graves with the health complications, it's kind of

1391
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: difficult to fully assess where they are. They have lost,

1392
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: and everybody pointed out to me how many close games

1393
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: they lost last night was fascinating because Northern Iowa. I

1394
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: just think the Mobile is such a well coached league.

1395
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Just everybody in that league seems really on it and

1396
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: well coached, but Northern Iowa no exception to that. And

1397
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: it was a really close and fun and entertaining and

1398
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of back and forth game for the first eighty

1399
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: percent of it, and then all of a sudden, like

1400
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: the floodgates opened and Northern Iowa and the last quarter

1401
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: of that game, or last eighth of that game, it

1402
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: was like watching Indiana in football with Bernana Mendoza. Where

1403
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: they were. It was a five point game, and then

1404
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: you turn around, it was an eight point game, and

1405
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: then you tied your shoot, it was a twelve point game,

1406
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: and then before you know what, you blinked in it's

1407
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: a twenty point game. And it's over and that's how

1408
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: it got away from Indiana State last night. But speaking

1409
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: of Bernanda Mendoza, one of the most authoritative voices about

1410
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: the quarterbacking position and analyzing the NFL, and one who

1411
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: at times has been polarizing and being very vociferous of

1412
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: his support for certain quarterbacks where it wasn't the right

1413
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: support or maybe the wrong support. On the other side

1414
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: is a big believer in Mendoza, and yesterday let the

1415
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: world know it. We'll let you hear what he had

1416
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: to say next. Okay, So, Fernanda Mendoza apparently gonna speak

1417
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: at the Combine, at least tentatively planned one week from tomorrow.

1418
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: I think we will be there. At least the show

1419
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: will be at the Combine, not to say that the

1420
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: that will be therefore that aspect of it. Not sure

1421
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: what time he is supposed to speak, but melkiper Junior

1422
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: is and I always feel compelled to mention this. When

1423
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: I was working at Channel six and we would cover

1424
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: the NFL draft, I mean, in those years, the Colts

1425
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: typically were picking pretty high, and of course Channel six,

1426
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: being the ABC affiliate, was somewhat you know, affiliated with ESPN.

1427
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: But Dave First would go and cover the NFL Draft

1428
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: each year, and of course we did Sunday Sports Extra

1429
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: back then, you know, the forty minute sports shows on

1430
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: Sunday Night. I don't know, and I think Dave would

1431
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: back me up on this. In the years that Dave

1432
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: and I worked together, and Dave worked at Channel six

1433
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: much longer than DENI, but in the years that Dave

1434
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: and I were in the trenches together, I don't know

1435
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: that there was anybody at ESPN that was more accommodating

1436
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and willing to help than Melchiper Jr. During the raft.

1437
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: I mean he anything we ever needed. Oh, absolutely, guys,

1438
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: whatever you need, and he would do sit downs with

1439
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: Dave each year and go over all the Colts picks

1440
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: and everything else. I mean, he was tremendous and he

1441
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: made his name, of course, kind of ironically, I mean

1442
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: largely in part due to his famous spat with Bill

1443
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: Tobin when he went after the Colts for not selecting

1444
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: Trent Dilfer and instead taking Trev Alberts. And he called

1445
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: Trent dil for a franchise quarterback and Bill Tobin later

1446
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: of course, that was the famous who in the hell

1447
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: is Melkiper? Anyway? He has no more qualification than the

1448
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: guy that delivers my mail, and that kind of put him

1449
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: on the map. But he has been, you know, clearly

1450
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: the lead scout in terms of the NFL and breaking

1451
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: down prospects and helping out with the draft at least

1452
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: the most consistent one now for what three decades. And

1453
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: he was asked recently about Bernando Mendoza and the likelihood,

1454
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: the probability at this point, probably the certainty that he

1455
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: goes number one to the Las Vegas Raiders and what

1456
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback he could be and what may be

1457
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,959
Speaker 1: in place for him, and in doing it, he compared

1458
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: it to a guy that everybody is familiar with here

1459
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 1: in terms of situation in Peyton Manning. Here is melkiper

1460
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: Junior on Bernanda Mendoza.

1461
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 5: He reminds me a lot when you look back, you

1462
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 5: think about Peyton Manning, how he's studied all right, you

1463
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 5: can't get him out of till he hitt him with

1464
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 5: out of the evaluation of the opponent. He always says,

1465
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 5: I'm trying to crack I love trying to crack the code.

1466
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 5: That was a Fernando Mendoza comment back during the season,

1467
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 5: crack the code, and he did it.

1468
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 2: And he did it regularly.

1469
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 5: You think about where we are right now in terms

1470
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 5: of ranking, would be historically great. No, because he talked

1471
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 5: about everybody says he does have elite traits. Well, you

1472
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 5: don't need elite traits to be the greatest of all time.

1473
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 5: Tom Brady didn't have anywhere near elite traits and he

1474
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 5: had seven Super Bowl rings, went to ten. Right, No,

1475
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 5: he's to be close to that number. So for me,

1476
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 5: Fernando Mendoza, as you say, checks every box. There's no

1477
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 5: question about that. In any draft, I don't care what

1478
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 5: draft you're talking about, he would be right there. Now

1479
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 5: what a guy would have, maybe more talent than like

1480
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 5: Cale Williams and the Jayden Daniels and guys like that,

1481
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:29,759
Speaker 5: would they have met been ahead?

1482
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: Who knows.

1483
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 5: But to say that this guy's not worthy of being

1484
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 5: the number one pick is ridiculous. It's nonsense to say

1485
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 5: he's not the best player in this trend. I don't

1486
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 5: know who's better because you're getting to guaranteed start at

1487
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 5: the quarterback position, which the most important position and any

1488
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 5: sport in the world.

1489
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1490
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,919
Speaker 5: And the Raiders to have that pick be so fortunate,

1491
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 5: be so think about how lucky they are. Sometimes you

1492
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 5: can have the number one pick, there's no quarterback, you know,

1493
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 5: you have to force it or you have to take

1494
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 5: somebody else or wish you in another year they got lucky,

1495
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 5: as the Colts did with Peyton Madding. Remember they end

1496
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 5: up with Andrew luck another year when they were fortunate,

1497
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 5: Land Drew Locke. So the end of the day, having

1498
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 5: number one pick, desperately needing a quarterback, raiter Nation be

1499
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 5: happy because now the Jets are on the clock.

1500
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree with what he said the thing about

1501
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: first off, about Mendoza. If there's a knock on Mendoza,

1502
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not melkiper, I'm not, but if there is

1503
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: a knock on him, it would be this. And that's

1504
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: not to say that he's not capable of acquiring this

1505
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: set of skills. But the Indiana offense was such that

1506
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: it ran I think faster in terms of the way

1507
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: that they would they would draw up plays. Very seldomly

1508
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: was Mendoza going to his third or fourth read option.

1509
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: And so when he would go out and you think

1510
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: of it like the sprinkler right and you got to

1511
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: go left right and then back across the field again.

1512
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: Mendoza more often than not. Whether it be and he

1513
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: was able to put the football exactly where it needed

1514
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: to be, but whether it be Omrokoper Junior or sarat

1515
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: or even EJ. Williams. You know, EJ. Williams is a

1516
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: guy that could have been probably a primary receiver at

1517
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of places, but he comes to Indiana, so

1518
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: you've got a good even third option there, and then

1519
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: obviously you know you go you're tight end as well.

1520
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: But Mendoza I don't think had to necessarily also because

1521
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: of the fact that he could run at the college level.

1522
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: He didn't have to sit in the pocket while all

1523
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: hell was breaking loose and go through all of his

1524
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: progressions and then back again before deciding to run. And

1525
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: that's something he's going to have to do in the

1526
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: NFL level, and the windows and the understanding of when

1527
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,879
Speaker 1: that clock is go time is much shorter in the NFL.

1528
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: But he does have or will have presumably you know,

1529
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: he's got a dynamic back behind him in Ashton Gentz,

1530
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: who really came on as the ear went on. And

1531
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: then the position for a young quarterback that I think

1532
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: is the most critical is tight end because you need

1533
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: a bailout guy, and they have that in Brock Bowers. Now,

1534
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: does does that mean automatically that he comes in? You know,

1535
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: the line is probably I don't know the Raiders line

1536
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,520
Speaker 1: in depth, but I would imagine it needs to be bolstered.

1537
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, they they certainly this past year they couldn't

1538
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: do anything right offensively, and they had weapons. But he

1539
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: is correct when he talks about Peyton Manning. As great

1540
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 1: as Peyton Manning was, and We've talked about this a

1541
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: million times, Peyton Manning walked into a situation where not

1542
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: only did he have Marshall Fulk and Marvin Harrison already

1543
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: on the roster, they drafted for him, is it EJ?

1544
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Or E? G. Green out of Florida State and Jerum

1545
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: Pathon out of Washington, So they im meetate tried to

1546
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: give him weapons. They then bolstered that obviously by then

1547
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 1: getting Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark and signing Brandon Stokely

1548
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: later and whatever else. But the bigger thing is Peyton

1549
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: Manning had the same offensive coordinator. He had Bruce Arians

1550
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 1: as a quarterback coach right out of the box. He

1551
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: also had the same O coordinator for the entire time

1552
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: the language was the same, the vernacular was the same,

1553
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 1: and for the most part, the line was the same.

1554
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: And yes, you could certainly make the argument that Peyton

1555
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Manning facilitated for them to have consistency of personnel, but

1556
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: chicken an egg, consistency of personnel also goes a long

1557
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: way in making and developing a Peyton Manning. James Boyd

1558
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: can talk about that and more from the Morning Show.

1559
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: He took a nap. He's going to join us next

1560
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: James Boyd in just a second here wanted to answer

1561
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: this from Charles, And by the way, congratulations to fad

1562
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: Mada on career win number five hundred and Charles says, Hey, Jake,

1563
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: your thoughts. I feel Butler maybe out of their league

1564
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: in the Big East. They really haven't made an impact

1565
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: since they joined. I feel they were feeling the hype

1566
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 1: from their two Final Four appearances and it went to

1567
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: their head. Would it be better for them to go

1568
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: back to a lower conference or they just needing to

1569
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: grow better? Charles, good question, and I have said all

1570
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: along my concern with the Big East is that, and

1571
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 1: I know that this is less applicable in today's era

1572
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: of college basketball, but to get players that are growing

1573
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: up in the shadows of Butler, you know, to play

1574
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: the style that's necessary of like Eastern Seaboard basketball, and

1575
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: then vice versa to get Eastern Seaboard players to want

1576
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: to come to play in Central Indiana. It seems an

1577
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,759
Speaker 1: odd fit, admittedly, but the reality is this. I always

1578
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: thought the A ten was the perfect league for Butler,

1579
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: but the monetary aspect of being involved in the Big

1580
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: East is too much to walk away from, no doubt

1581
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 1: about it. I totally understand why they went there, and

1582
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley was right, They've got to financially commit, not

1583
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: just that Mounu is a heck of a coach, but

1584
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: you got to give them resources, and I do it

1585
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: is my belief, not concretely, simply a gut feeling, and

1586
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: my guts bigger than the ust to be. But my

1587
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: belief would be that now that that model has five

1588
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: hundred wins, it wouldn't surprise me if he says, all right,

1589
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm cool now, because I think there are

1590
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: obstacles there in terms of resources. But anyway, we can

1591
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: discuss that also more as the college basketball season winds down.

1592
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Java House Colebrew Coffee guest line.

1593
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: You hear them on the Morning show James Boyd, who

1594
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,679
Speaker 1: is native of the Chicago Land area. So James, let's

1595
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: get to this right away. I did two different long

1596
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: soliloquies on my thoughts on the Bears and north West Indiana.

1597
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: This is the closest that I have felt of this

1598
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: actually being more than just a power play your thoughts

1599
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: overall the developments the latest as it stands.

1600
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 6: I think anytime you see a team put out a

1601
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 6: statement saying they're working in conjunction with the state to

1602
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,799
Speaker 6: perhaps you know, build a stadium and move their playing

1603
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 6: venue to this new place, that to me made it

1604
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 6: seem like, oh my gosh, this is actually kind of real,

1605
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 6: because before today there was all these reports and different

1606
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 6: little things going on in courtrooms, whether it be in

1607
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 6: Indiana or Illinois. But the statement from the Bears themselves,

1608
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 6: I was like, Wow, this might have more legs than

1609
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 6: I thought. And honestly, personally, I look at it twofold,

1610
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 6: you know, being an Indiana resident. Now, I think it

1611
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 6: would be comical if the Bears moved to Indiana technically,

1612
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 6: even though they be a Chicagoland area, but as a

1613
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 6: Chicago area native. I'm thinking to myself, how can the

1614
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 6: Chicago Bears, one of the NFL's you know, founding teams,

1615
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 6: one of the oldest teams in the league move You

1616
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 6: don't want that on your legacy. I would thinks you're

1617
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 6: a George McCaskey, the Bear's owner.

1618
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Now, the thing to me, James, that I talked about

1619
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: earlier that makes this the most intriguing is the guy

1620
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: that is the chief financial officer of the Chicago Bears,

1621
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren, is the same commissioner that managed to get

1622
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: UCLA and USC to move into the Big Ten and

1623
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: got a financial windfall for the Big Ten. In other words,

1624
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: thinking outside the box of moves that seem uncomfortable at

1625
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: the time but turn out to be financial windfall moves

1626
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: are in his resume. So that's why, to me this

1627
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: would be plausible. The question I have for you, if

1628
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: you can put on your Chicago childhood hat for me

1629
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: is what does it do to the fan base of

1630
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: the Bears if they are playing even though it's realistically

1631
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: in the same market, but if they're playing away from

1632
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: downtown Chicago and in a different state, what does it

1633
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: do to the fan base?

1634
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 6: I think it definitely turns off a lot of the

1635
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 6: fan base, But at the same time, Bears fans are nuts,

1636
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 6: so I feel like they would still support the team.

1637
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 6: I mean, they have one of the biggest brands in

1638
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 6: football and really across the world when it comes to

1639
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 6: the NFL, So I don't think that the Bears don't

1640
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 6: necessarily lose any money, but traditional fans will certainly feel

1641
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 6: a type of way about them moving because again, you

1642
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 6: have to think for the Bears, they have been honestly

1643
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 6: kind of mediocre or bad for so long. I mean

1644
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 6: they had to Bowl Run when I was a kid,

1645
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 6: but in the year since then, there hasn't been a

1646
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 6: lot of success. And it's like, Okay, we finally get

1647
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 6: our quarterback in Killer Williams, finally make the playoffs, we

1648
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 6: actually you know, won a game, and then now you're

1649
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 6: trying to move, you're taking away like the thing that

1650
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 6: we finally have built. So from that perspective, Jake, I

1651
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:47,879
Speaker 6: just feel like a lot of fans will be very upset.

1652
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 6: But as of most things, once you change something and

1653
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 6: it's real, people adjust to it over time and you know.

1654
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 7: It is what it is.

1655
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 1: The Colts can pretend and I'm not saying they have.

1656
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not trying to miss cast the Colts here,

1657
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: but if the Bears were to move to Ham in Indiana,

1658
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: it is my belief that does impact the Indianapolis Colts.

1659
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,719
Speaker 1: What say you, I don't.

1660
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 6: Think it impacts them that much because it's still so

1661
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 6: far apart. Now if you were telling me they were

1662
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 6: moving to you know, West Lafayette or Bloomings or something

1663
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 6: like that. Wait, wait a second, but I still look

1664
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 6: at northwest Indiana as Illinois adjacent as an additional Chicago

1665
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 6: area place. I mean, everyone up there that I know personally.

1666
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Totally agree with that. So totally agree with that. But

1667
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I think the notably like the Pacers as well. I

1668
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: think the teams like like the Colts do, do James,

1669
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: They do do an Indiana Knights, you know sub theme, right,

1670
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: they do do like a marketing campaign around like the

1671
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Indiana aspect of it. Does that? Is that a concerted

1672
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: effort of being able to say, don't kid yourself, it's

1673
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: still our state.

1674
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 6: I do think though to a certain degree. I mean,

1675
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 6: you've been here since nineteen eighty four, so why wouldn't

1676
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 6: you claim the entire state of yours. But the reality

1677
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 6: is that when you're in a different time zone, you're

1678
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 6: most likely not going to be fans of that team.

1679
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 6: And that's just as real as I can put it. Man,

1680
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 6: When you can drive across I mean, I worked in

1681
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 6: that region for a long time and off with Indiana.

1682
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 6: When you can drive from ham into Chicago in the

1683
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 6: same time that it would take to go from here

1684
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 6: to Bloomington or even less, I mean, it is what

1685
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 6: it is, and so I'm very curious to see again

1686
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 6: how concrete all of this becomes. And like most of us,

1687
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 6: when did they put a sub on the ground. When

1688
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 6: did someone put a sub on the ground and say

1689
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 6: this is what we're building.

1690
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,919
Speaker 1: And what's it going to cost the taxpayers of Indiana?

1691
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's my question. That's right, That's the.

1692
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 6: Part I keep it skipping over. But yeah, man, it

1693
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 6: ain't free.

1694
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Okay, James, let's talk about the combine that's upcoming. Obviously

1695
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: the Colts now first round pick this year or next.

1696
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: We'll begin with this. Is there a position room or

1697
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: player that would tempt Chris Ballard into trying to find

1698
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: his way back into Round one?

1699
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 6: Oh, that's a great question. I've thought about this and maybe,

1700
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 6: and I probably wouldn't do it because you're trying to,

1701
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 6: I guess, build on what you had last year, so

1702
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 6: you don't change too much. But you know, could you

1703
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 6: look at someone like Quentin Nelson, for example, who's been

1704
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 6: a perennial All Perennial pro bowler, perennial All Pro, and say,

1705
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 6: would someone want a first round pick for this guy?

1706
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 6: I don't know if he would even fetch that as

1707
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 6: a left guard, but is it him? Is it the

1708
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 6: Forest Buckner. He's come off the neck injury, so I

1709
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 6: don't know if he will get be Fretch's first round pick.

1710
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 6: But is there a veteran that you love that has

1711
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 6: produced that you would think about trying to swing a

1712
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 6: trade to get a first round pick, because that is

1713
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 6: something that you at least have to inquire about. But

1714
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 6: I don't think it's very feasible, Jake, just because in

1715
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 6: a sense they've decided to run it back, and so

1716
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 6: I don't see offensively, at least making a whole lot

1717
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 6: of changes to that side of the ball. And if

1718
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 6: you look at defensive defensively, the only player that's worth

1719
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 6: the first round pick when healthy is the Forest Buckner

1720
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 6: And he's not healthy, so he's some position to be in.

1721
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: James, do you believe that Fernando Mendoza in any game? Yeah,

1722
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,719
Speaker 1: we just heard from Mel Kuiper. We played some audio

1723
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: from Mel Kuiper on this. But I want your thought.

1724
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Do you think that that Fernanda Mendoza is going to

1725
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,759
Speaker 1: be the number one pick because he is a can't

1726
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 1: miss quarterback prospect? Or does he happen to simply be

1727
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 1: the the loan quarterback prospect and the Raiders need a

1728
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: quarterback and he's the one guy that's NFL worthy But

1729
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean number one overall pick worthy in most years.

1730
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 6: I think the latter. I think he's a very good player,

1731
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 6: and I actually think that he played better as the

1732
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 6: season went on, and he made a lot of NFL

1733
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 6: type throws and I was watching them throughout their National

1734
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 6: championship run. But yeah, this war the Caleb Williams draft.

1735
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 6: This were either that Drake may or James Daniels and

1736
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 6: old gold guys are coming out that perhaps he isn't

1737
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 6: the number one overall pick. But what helped Foranda Mendoza

1738
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,560
Speaker 6: is that he does have a size. He's a very

1739
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 6: like I said, he can make every throw. It's just

1740
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 6: a matter of being can't miss that. That's that's a

1741
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 6: hard label to put on a guy when you have

1742
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 6: had prospects in recent years, like you know, Joe Burrow

1743
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 6: and others who I believe are more in that category.

1744
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 6: But he listened himself very well. And the Raiders, I mean,

1745
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 6: they can't afford to pass on him by any means,

1746
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 6: and so I think it's a formality that he will

1747
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 6: be the number one pick, and at this point when

1748
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 6: he comes to you know, the Indiana Convention Center here

1749
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 6: in a couple of days, that'll be the extent that

1750
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 6: I believe of his pre draft stuff. I don't except

1751
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 6: him to do any on field work, only at his

1752
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 6: pro day because he proves enough for himself. And honestly,

1753
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 6: the only thing that can happen to me, this stock

1754
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 6: goes down if people fourth badly throwing the ball. But

1755
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 6: he wouldn't do that anyway.

1756
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,799
Speaker 1: James Boyd my guest Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line.

1757
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Of course, you hear him on the Morning show. All right,

1758
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Holder,

1759
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: but in a little bit of a variation. James, You're ready,

1760
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 1: It's It's late October, early November, and you are sitting

1761
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 1: there on a Sunday night, getting ready for your Monday show,

1762
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: and you're looking over the highlights of the NFL that week,

1763
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: and in the highlights you see that Anthony Richardson has

1764
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 1: thrown his first touchdown pass of the twenty twenty six

1765
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,759
Speaker 1: NFL season. What color jersey is he wearing?

1766
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 6: Purple? For the Vikings, I think they're in a unique

1767
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 6: situation where they can't trust Jajim McCarthy. He had an

1768
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 6: abysmal first season in the NFL, and I think they

1769
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 6: should definitely try to look at other options this year,

1770
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 6: one of them being Daniel Jones potentially in free agency.

1771
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 6: And if not, you know, could you swing the trade

1772
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 6: for someone like Anthony Richardson, who Kevin O'Connell, their coach,

1773
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 6: so very highly of after he got benched a couple

1774
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 6: of years ago, And is that somebody they been willing

1775
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 6: to take a swing on just to see, Okay, he's

1776
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 6: still got the physical talent, can he be something for

1777
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 6: my team that you know hasn't had an answer at quarterback?

1778
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 6: So that, to me is the most realistic scenario. But

1779
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 6: even then, I still think Anthony with his eye and

1780
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,879
Speaker 6: things like that. I'm very curiously where he's in that process,

1781
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 6: which is why I can't wait talk to Chris Ballard

1782
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 6: next week.

1783
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Okay, last thing, because I know you got to run James.

1784
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned Daniel Jones, and this is what's interesting to me.

1785
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: I think that we all just assume that it's a

1786
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,799
Speaker 1: slam dunk in. Daniel Jones has no interest in talking

1787
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: to anybody else but the Colts. How do we know

1788
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 1: that Minnesota, where there is familiarity He was there, He

1789
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: knows their doctors, knows their quarterback room, knows their staff

1790
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: and the assistant GM used to be in Indianapolis. And

1791
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 1: probably there's no love loss with Chris Ballard what it

1792
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: would do to Indianapolis if Daniel Jones was to sign

1793
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: to Minnesota. How do we know the Vikings are not

1794
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: going to make him a blockbuster deal?

1795
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 6: We don't. But I think that hesitancy there is. He's

1796
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 6: coming off the Achilles injury. Yeck. If you were asking

1797
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 6: me this same question and he had stayed healthy even

1798
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 6: they had made the playoff, but just stayed healthy, then

1799
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 6: maybe that's a bigger conversation. But yeah, I would say

1800
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 6: that the Colts are more in love with Daniel Jones

1801
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 6: than he is with them. And I'm not saying that

1802
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 6: means that he doesn't want to come back. But when

1803
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 6: hearing from christ If he's saying, oh, he's our sore

1804
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 6: and long tarm answer at quarterback, whereas we're talking with

1805
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 6: Daniel at the end of the year, he's like, oh,

1806
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 6: I like my time yere. I'd love to come back,

1807
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 6: but I'll have a representation have with everything else. So

1808
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 6: I think he'd be very smart too, at least, you know,

1809
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 6: try to drive the price up in his market by

1810
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 6: saying I have other suitors, and I think that in

1811
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 6: this scenario is desperate. The vikings might be he could

1812
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 6: seriously have another suitor that could change jectory of his

1813
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 6: offseing a little bit. So it'll be very interesting to

1814
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 6: see what the Colts do, because, as you know, Jake

1815
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 6: go and tag one player in theory him or Alec Peers,

1816
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 6: and I would lean toward Alex Peers, but that doesn't

1817
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 6: mean that it's for certain that Dans almost be back

1818
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 6: until he signs it bad line.

1819
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: I would lean towards Alec Pierce because the number that

1820
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 1: he would get with a franchise tag is more realistic

1821
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 1: of the number that he would get anyway with a contract,

1822
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: whereas Jones, you'd be way overpaying, albeit for one year.

1823
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: James will be of course with the guys tomorrow morning

1824
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: on the Fan Morning Show, and then the combine will

1825
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: get into full swing. They'll have it all covered as well.

1826
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 1: James appreciate it, man, thank you, you have a good one.

1827
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: James Boyd joining us on the Java House Cold Brew

1828
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: Coffee Guest Line. Two things wanted to point out, by

1829
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: the way. First off, when it comes to the Java

1830
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: House Cold Brew Coffee guest Line, you hear that and

1831
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: you think, well, Jake, that's great. I like a nice

1832
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 1: warm cup of coffee, especially this time of year. Cold

1833
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: brew coffee is not necessarily even even though I drink it.

1834
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 1: The cold brew is fabulous that I get from Java House.

1835
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 1: But the cold brew is the process by which it's made.

1836
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 1: And that process in a cold brew process, which is

1837
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: well beyond my intellectual capability, but that's what smoothens it

1838
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: out and gets rid of that like kind of bitter

1839
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: taste with coffee. And you know, I'm somebody that never

1840
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: drank coffee and I absolutely love it. And so the

1841
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: cold brew process is what is making it amazingly smooth

1842
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: as it's known. One other note I wanted to share

1843
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: and pass along, and I say this a lot on

1844
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 1: this show. You know, we talk about obviously today we've

1845
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: talked about the Bears and that move, and I've given

1846
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: two different kinds of soliloquies on it, one of which

1847
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: I'll probably post later today in case you wanted to

1848
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: if you didn't hear it earlier. And the explanation or

1849
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: where I think things stand or how this has come

1850
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: to be that the Bears could move to Indiana. But

1851
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: we talked about that, We talked about obviously college basketball.

1852
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: Congratulations again to Tedmata and last night my dream of

1853
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: becoming Sycamore Sam, the Indiana state mascot, which was just awesome.

1854
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 1: And Tony East is going to join us in just

1855
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:30,719
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes because we're going to talk about

1856
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 1: the Pacers being in Washington tonight. But I've mentioned before,

1857
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's important again to mention, and I

1858
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 1: know that you know, everybody on the station feels the

1859
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: same way. Certainly I know J ANDV does with each

1860
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: and every you know, company that he represents. It's really

1861
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: important to us folks, listen, here's the reality. We're aware

1862
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: of it. I'm aware of it. Eddie's aware of it.

1863
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: John's aware of it, Kevin's aware of it. James and

1864
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: Jeff are aware of it. We are aware of in

1865
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: today's day, the number of options you have to get

1866
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: information or entertainment. I'm aware of it. I don't need

1867
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 1: to sit here. It would be unwise of me to

1868
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: list for you and remind you of where all of

1869
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: them are. But what we are aware of is that

1870
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 1: you have a lot of options, and you choose to

1871
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: spend part of your day with us, which is greatly appreciated.

1872
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, that means that our advertisers

1873
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: have options on where they can go and who they

1874
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 1: can partner with. And so that's why it is truly

1875
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 1: you know when you have those relationships and those partnerships

1876
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: what it means to us. And because we are speaking

1877
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: to you and because you have a lot of places

1878
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 1: you can go, the number one thing of importance is

1879
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that you know that when

1880
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about a product, we're talking about a brand,

1881
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 1: we do have the right of refusal to say no.

1882
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather not advocate for that company for that business.

1883
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 1: We do have that ability because it's important that you

1884
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 1: know that we are authentically believing in what it is

1885
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 1: that we're telling you. And if you are kind enough

1886
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: to give us part of your day, then I want

1887
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: to make absolutely certain that you know that when I

1888
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 1: am telling you about a company, that I'm not sending

1889
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 1: you somewhere just because of a quick fix. You know.

1890
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you know you can

1891
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: trust it. So let me tell you what happened last night.

1892
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm driving back from tera Hote and I'm driving back

1893
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, it's later, you know, the game ended,

1894
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was probably ten thirty. And my mom

1895
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: calls me. My mom's a night owl, so that's not unusual.

1896
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: And Hi, Jake, it's Mom. No, I know, Mom, I

1897
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: can read them on my phone. I can see it,

1898
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: says Mom. Sell you know. And she says, are you

1899
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: in town? And I said, well, yeah, I just got

1900
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 1: back from tera Hote and she says, okay, well I

1901
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: think my furnace just went compute. Now this isn't surprising

1902
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 1: to me because the last time that I was at

1903
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:07,799
Speaker 1: my parents' house, the I was sitting in the family

1904
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:10,639
Speaker 1: room and it sounded like they were doing the Beast

1905
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: from King's Island in the garage. I'm like, what's going

1906
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: on over there? My mom was like, that's the furnace

1907
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: and was it rather chilly as well? You know, I

1908
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: don't think last night it was warm, fortunately, right, but

1909
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 1: my mom likes room temperature to be ninety seven degrees

1910
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 1: and so yeah, she was probably chilly, but she was

1911
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: more worried that. She said, I think the pilot light

1912
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 1: went out on my furnace and I'm not hearing anything,

1913
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: and I'm worried about a gas leak in the furnace.

1914
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 1: Now I don't know anything about I mean, I literally

1915
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 1: I'm about to buy a Shinola watch, but I don't

1916
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: know anything on the other side from Shinola, right, And

1917
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 1: so I'm like, I only need another watch. I just

1918
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: I did buy one yesterday. By the way, twenty four

1919
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: now in the collection. Oh gosh. So to answer your question, no,

1920
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't. But but either way, I grew up with

1921
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 1: Christian John Love of Love heating an Air, and my

1922
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: mom's said, can you call Chris or John? And you know,

1923
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean, my mom's known Chris and John also since

1924
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: we were in the second or third grade or whatever.

1925
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: But I said, well, Mom, it's ten thirty at night.

1926
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call Chris and John at ten

1927
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: thirty at night. So I called Love Heating and Air

1928
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 1: three one seven, three five three twenty one forty one.

1929
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: And they answered because they have twenty four hour on

1930
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:26,600
Speaker 1: call maintenance. And I explained, hey, listen, you know my

1931
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: parents are customers, my my you know my mom's furnace

1932
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: went out. YadA, yah, YadA. We'll have a tech call

1933
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 1: you within ten minutes. Within ten minutes, Bobby calls me

1934
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: from Love Heating. I've never met Bobby, right, And he says, okay,

1935
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: what's the deal. And I said, well, here's and I

1936
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 1: explained it to him and he said, all right, we'll

1937
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: be out there within he said, I'm on the west side.

1938
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: I'll be out there in like forty five minutes. Not

1939
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: only did Bobby go out and take a look at

1940
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 1: the furnace and take photos and take them back for

1941
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 1: this morning to Love Heating and Air and everything else,

1942
01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: but this morning, by the time I woke up, I

1943
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: had a message from John Love that just said give

1944
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: me a call when you wake up. When I woke

1945
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: up at nine thirty this morning. They already have had

1946
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 1: a complete work order ready, They had everything ready to go.

1947
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 1: They had every option, and he said, you can go

1948
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 1: with option a option because I mean, my parents need

1949
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: a whole new, you know, outfit whatever. But and he

1950
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 1: had you know, you can go this full throttle. You

1951
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 1: can go this. He had every option presented for me.

1952
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: He had everything ready to go and and said here's

1953
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: what's going to cost, and here's the price, and you know,

1954
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 1: we can have you out there. We can get this

1955
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:34,560
Speaker 1: going right away whatever. That's the kind of thing I

1956
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: can't tell you the peace of mind that comes with,

1957
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, just knowing those sorts of things and knowing

1958
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: that you've got that kind of the twenty four hour

1959
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 1: on call maintenance. Someone like Bobby that doesn't know me

1960
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: from Adam and still called me and said, hey, here's

1961
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: the rundown, here's what I saw here, here's here's what

1962
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: needs to be done. That's the kind of stuff that

1963
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 1: there is no price tag that goes with that, and

1964
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: the price tag isn't even high, which is also great

1965
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: about love heating and air. But I just felt almost

1966
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: a responsibility to let people know that because I want

1967
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: to let make sure that people are aware that when

1968
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 1: you're listening to this show or the Fan Morning Show

1969
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 1: or JMV, whatever it may be, that when we're telling

1970
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 1: you about a place, we are telling you because from

1971
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: our own experience, we know they're going to treat you

1972
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:29,679
Speaker 1: the same way and it's greatly, greatly appreciated, and there's

1973
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: no price tag you can put on it, that's for

1974
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: certain now, Edie. For me, if my mom's house had

1975
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 1: cooled off, that would have been okay for me to

1976
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: go over there, because I was still sweating a little

1977
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 1: bit from being in the mascot outfit right now.

1978
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 3: If you needed just to kind of wind down a

1979
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 3: little bit, you could have gone into your fridge, looked

1980
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 3: in there, realized I've got my Java house. Feeling poor, pods,

1981
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 3: I've got Java house in there. Services I was about

1982
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 3: to say, open up a nice can of surf side

1983
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 3: there no carbonation, so it's very and especially with you

1984
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 3: know this weather, you're on the beach.

1985
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: Totally you're right about that. Now. You have never been

1986
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: a mascot, correct.

1987
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 3: Nope, even though I have the big head, No, the

1988
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:14,640
Speaker 3: walking mascot.

1989
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 1: Change, So I can't tell you. Just again, it was

1990
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: a great night altogether, because to go over there to

1991
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Indiana State. And you know, David Crumbley's my buddy that

1992
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: we met through the IndyCar circles. He's a huge race

1993
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: fan and he grew up in speedway and he went

1994
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 1: to Indiana State for school. And so when I knew

1995
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 1: that we were going to be going to the game,

1996
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: and then Shannon was worried that she wasn't going to

1997
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 1: be able to swing at work wise, and so I

1998
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 1: called David a couple of months ago or something and said, Hey,

1999
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 1: I've got tickets to this game. Do you want to go?

2000
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:47,559
Speaker 1: And so we met over He had to work yesterday

2001
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 1: in Terre Hate, and we met in Terre Hate and

2002
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: we went to the Holman family plot in the Cavalry

2003
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 1: cemetery in Tara Hate. I had never been to Tony

2004
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 1: Holman's resting place, and of course Mary Fendrick Holeman is

2005
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: resting there well as well as Tony Holman's parents. Just

2006
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: bran for you.

2007
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 3: You know, you go somewhere and you got to check

2008
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 3: out a cemetery, well correct, especially with the five hunder

2009
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 3: connections and then.

2010
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 1: Totally and and you know Mary Holman George is now

2011
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: resting there as well, and I mentioned this earlier. I

2012
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize that Tony Holman and Mary Fender Coleman, who

2013
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: of course the parents of Mary Holman George and the

2014
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: grandparents of Tony George. I didn't realize that they apparently

2015
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: had a daughter named Mary that basically, you know, I

2016
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 1: don't know the circumstances, but the two dates are matching

2017
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 1: on the headstone of date of birth and date of passing,

2018
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: so I you know, I don't know what took place there,

2019
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,719
Speaker 1: but that was four years before Mary Holman George was born.

2020
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:54,719
Speaker 1: So so apparently Mary Holman George was the second child

2021
01:52:55,280 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: of Tony Holman and Mary Fender Coleman, and then you know,

2022
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 1: was named for her older sister, who would have passed

2023
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 1: upon birth four years prior. But anyway, we did that,

2024
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 1: and then we went over to the arena and the

2025
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 1: Hollman Center is fantastic. We went to the bar that

2026
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 1: JMV had mentioned, which is right across from the Holman Center.

2027
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 1: I believe it's bally Who's is the name of it.

2028
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: Watched actually, while I was inside the bally Who tavern,

2029
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 1: watched the United States win the hockey game over Sweden,

2030
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 1: which was cool. Walked over and that's when I got

2031
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: to put on the mascot outfit for the pregame for

2032
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes, and it was I couldn't believe how

2033
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 1: hot it was and how almost claustrophobic it was. But

2034
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: that's offset by the fact that you just when you

2035
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: walk out, and especially with kids, you just realized that

2036
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: we're just walking around and being goofy in that thing,

2037
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:56,720
Speaker 1: and nobody has any idea who you are. That's the

2038
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 1: anonymity of it is a little bit unique. But the

2039
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 1: joy that it brings to every person you're walking up

2040
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 1: to was awesome. That was the best part about I

2041
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 1: went over and directed the band for a little bit

2042
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: and did you know, showed off some of my stellar

2043
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: dance moves. I posted a video of me doing the

2044
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: dance moves on the baseline and you could tell right there,

2045
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:18,719
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's a reason that the ladies

2046
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 1: would flock to broader Pool back in the day. But

2047
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: everything about it was awesome. And the folks at Indiana

2048
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: State I know that they would have liked to have

2049
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 1: won the game last night. It was still an entertaining game.

2050
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 1: The facility is beautiful, but I cannot think enough Tammy

2051
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 1: the Spirit Squad at Indiana State and all of them

2052
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: for letting me be Sycamore Sam. It was everything about

2053
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Pacers in action tonight taking on the Wizards.

2054
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 1: They are doing the same tomorrow night as well. Tony

2055
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 1: E's gonna join us other side. We will recap for

2056
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 1: you who's in, who's out tonight and where things go

2057
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 1: in terms of being like a mascot and tanking, but

2058
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 1: trying to make sure you're doing it with anonymity. We'll

2059
01:54:56,280 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: explain and discuss next. There's an action tonight taking on

2060
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: the Wizards in our nation's capital. Same for tomorrow night.

2061
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 1: But the question becomes who's in and who's out and

2062
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 1: who made the field trip if you will, because let's

2063
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: say tomorrow Tony East joining us on the Java House

2064
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 1: Colbrew Coffee guest line. Tony of course with locked on

2065
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 1: Pacers Forbes a number of different places where you can

2066
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 1: see and hear his work. He is in Washington, d C. Tony,

2067
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: did you go to DC when you were a kid

2068
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 1: on any sort of a school trip.

2069
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 2: I didn't.

2070
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 8: Actually, that was a rare nun had experience for me

2071
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 8: until I was like twenty two years old.

2072
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So I went in the eighth grade, and I

2073
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 1: remember going to the Smithsonian and all we heard about

2074
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: was the world's largest diamond, the Hope Diamond, and I,

2075
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: for some reason, I thought that it was going to

2076
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: be the size of like a billboard. Then we got there,

2077
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it. It's ridiculous. It was very disappointed.

2078
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:00,840
Speaker 1: But I remember vividly being on the field trip. So

2079
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to know this what pacer players may not

2080
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 1: be on any field trips they have because they maybe

2081
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 1: didn't even make the trip. Are there any that definitively

2082
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: we can say didn't even make the trip for.

2083
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 7: This didn't even come out.

2084
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 8: I mean, we'll see about the guys who are for

2085
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 8: sure not playing Zubots topping Furfee Halburn not going to

2086
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 8: play out here at all.

2087
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 7: They've been coming outside of Zubots.

2088
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 8: Who we don't know much about what his travel situation

2089
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 8: will be, just had a kid. All the rest of

2090
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 8: those guys have been traveling. But Furfee was already in

2091
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 8: New York for their game's pre All Star break because

2092
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 8: that's where his you know, acl e Val is, so who.

2093
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 7: Knows if he'll be here. And then the obvious other.

2094
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 8: Guy you wonder about is Taskal Yakam, who's listed is

2095
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 8: out tonight's game for personal reasons. I won't speculate as

2096
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 8: to what that is, but you know, if it's something

2097
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 8: that will not be resolved by the end of today,

2098
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 8: you wonder if he'll even be out here for the

2099
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 8: second game of this. It is a back to back, right,

2100
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 8: and there's some obvious reasons to play him. There's some

2101
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 8: obvious reasons to not, as the Pacers who were fined

2102
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 8: for his non par anticipation in a Resa game. So

2103
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:04,080
Speaker 8: the length of his absence will of course be very Nowherey,

2104
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 8: regardless of if he plays tomorrow or not.

2105
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Tony, I'm gonna show my cynicism here, okay. And I

2106
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 1: say this actually in defense of or support of the Pacers, Okay,

2107
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 1: But when you hear that, and I'm not trying to

2108
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 1: diminish or dismiss the possibility that there's something you know

2109
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: that Pascal Siaka may have a personal reason. You could

2110
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 1: have you know, somebody in the families ill who knows, right,

2111
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 1: But if the Pacers already have gotten a slap on

2112
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 1: the wrist from the NBA about their decision or rotation

2113
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 1: of injury or not playing players that are perceived to

2114
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 1: be available. Is this the safest way to just say? Fine,

2115
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 1: then we'll just make it personal and come and get

2116
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,360
Speaker 1: us now if you'd like you know what I mean?

2117
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:50,120
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

2118
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2119
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 7: I get what you're asking.

2120
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 8: And the thing about the player participation policy is there

2121
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 8: is a line about like what counts as excused, you know,

2122
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 8: guy away from game, and there is I'm going to

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Speaker 8: look up the line where I'm talking to you, but

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Speaker 8: there is something about personal reasons in there. Yeah, if

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Speaker 8: a star player has a bona fide personal reason for

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01:58:07,680 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 8: the absence there, well they won't have to review.

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Speaker 7: Is like actual non participation in a game.

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Speaker 8: It's insane that something called the player participation policy even exists,

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Speaker 8: by the way, but if he has a legitimate reason,

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Speaker 8: or won the NBA deems to be legitimate, then there's

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Speaker 8: no issue with this.

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Speaker 7: There's nothing that he can do about it. The Pacers

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Speaker 7: can't be fine for it.

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Speaker 8: So again, we'll need to hear more from Carlisle and

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Speaker 8: perhaps Jackham to know more about how long this will

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Speaker 8: be or what it really means. If then they don't

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Speaker 8: have to share its personal reasons obviously, but that is

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Speaker 8: of course a way to say, Okay.

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Speaker 7: This is not this is no longer a violation. It

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Speaker 7: can't be by the rules.

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Speaker 1: Tony East is my guest. He's on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Cold Brew Coffee guest line. All right, Tony. So here's

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01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 1: the bottom line. I thought Kevin Pritchard was, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was. I'm not gonna say out of character because

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01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's known to be on social media from

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01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:57,440
Speaker 1: time to time, but he was very interactive on social

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Speaker 1: media in the last few days, notably in responding to

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Speaker 1: or inquiring about some of Mark Cuban's posts regarding tanking.

2149
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to kind of sip through

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01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:11,760
Speaker 1: that in and gauge where the Pacers are coming from

2151
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 1: or there I guess approach to all of this sense

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Speaker 1: they were fined.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I read some of them, and I found it

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Speaker 8: interesting that he was kind of surveying the you know,

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01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:27,840
Speaker 8: competing thoughts of like, look, every even fans who want

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01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 8: every the Pacers to win every single game they suit

2157
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 8: up for, recognize the benefits of this draft and the Pacers' current.

2158
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 7: Situation, like if they won and with the Bolls current

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Speaker 7: record and they're the tenth ars team.

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Speaker 8: I think the Patriers have to win like eighteen games

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Speaker 8: in a row that have the same win percentage the

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Speaker 8: fifteen wins total.

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Speaker 7: Right, they're not going to play in the postseason. And

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Speaker 7: then Johnny Purpy's injury just happened.

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Speaker 8: And that's even if you are again a win every

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01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,160
Speaker 8: game kind of person, you recognize the risk of that

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01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 8: you don't want to damage next season.

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Speaker 7: When Tyry Talburn is back.

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Speaker 8: So everyone recognizes the need for reducing minutes on the

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Speaker 8: high minute guys or the starters for next year and

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Speaker 8: being long term cautious with them and figuring it all out.

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Speaker 7: And they've been doing that.

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Speaker 8: This year, right, the back to backs have been already

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Speaker 8: that kind of situation. So I understand why KP was

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Speaker 8: saying things like asking, you know, hey, what do people

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Speaker 8: think of this, Like we might have to do some

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Speaker 8: of these minutes things. It's a prudent thing for them

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Speaker 8: to do, like it objectively is it's not even subjective anymore.

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Speaker 8: But he also included I thought this was interesting in

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Speaker 8: his reply to Dustin do Pirak about remembering when he

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Speaker 8: went to a game as a kid and the players

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Speaker 8: and the star players in particular that he saw that

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Speaker 8: made him want to pursue basketball as his life, and

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Speaker 8: star players are the ones that people want to see, right,

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Speaker 8: So they have the balance of that, Like I think right.

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Speaker 7: Now, I did this list last night on my own podcast.

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Speaker 8: Trey Young, Anthony Davis, Jaron Jackson, Demonte Sabonis, Ce Colovine,

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Speaker 8: John Morantz, Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 7: All these eyes on the bottom eight teams are out

2190
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Speaker 7: except for Siakam.

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Speaker 8: He's playing for the Pacers, So they probably have the

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Speaker 8: best player and best team of these bottom eight teams.

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Speaker 8: So how they manage to do what is best for

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Speaker 8: them now and the rest of the season and for

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Speaker 8: next year while also recognizing the importance of the draft

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Speaker 8: is like maybe the biggest storyline for the rest of

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Speaker 8: the season. And I think Kevin was kind of exploring

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Speaker 8: both sides of the thinking there and kind of explaining,

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Speaker 8: like maybe not explaining. He didn't outright say what he

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02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 8: thought they should do or anything like that, although he

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Speaker 8: did talk about their future draft picks and what could

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Speaker 8: happen if they lose the pick this year, what could

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Speaker 8: or should happen for them the rest of the way,

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Speaker 8: and kind of feeling out the fan base his thoughts

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Speaker 8: on it, and I thought it.

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Speaker 7: Was very interesting to see him replying to a lot

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Speaker 7: of people.

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Speaker 8: He was very clearly reading all their replies, which I

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Speaker 8: really respect.

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Speaker 1: I really respect that you anticipate seeing the debut of

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Speaker 1: Zubats as a pacer win.

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Speaker 8: Great question, I would I mean, Carlisle said that two

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Speaker 8: days ago. What is there's the two days ago that

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Speaker 8: he and top and are still a while away. I

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Speaker 8: do they want both of those guys to play this

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Speaker 8: season at some point, specifically when I don't have a

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Speaker 8: great deal for that. I will say, like we could

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Speaker 8: see them a brief moments of the last two practices.

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Speaker 7: In normal jerseys and not just.

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Speaker 8: Like standing off to the side or in green or

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Speaker 8: anything like that, which is like a you know, a

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Speaker 8: third unit guy, and so they might be like, I

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Speaker 8: don't think they're full participants by any measure. And when

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Speaker 8: we were talking to Andrew Nemhart, he said something like

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Speaker 8: he got a few live reps in with Zubots.

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Speaker 7: But not the full amount. So I think they're progressing tour.

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Speaker 8: Playing Chad you Caannon told me that the plan is

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Speaker 8: to play them at some point this season, but what

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Speaker 8: is the right time is.

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Speaker 7: A good question. How many games is a good question.

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Speaker 7: I just estimate, like early March, they have a couple

2232
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Speaker 7: of home games in a row before going on the

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Speaker 7: road trip.

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Speaker 8: Maybe Zubats wants to play in LA against the Clippers

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Speaker 8: that's on March fourth, right, something in that range right

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02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:54,080
Speaker 8: now makes some sense to me, but a while might

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Speaker 8: mean more than that. And we'll see when this actually

2238
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Speaker 8: comes or what makes the most sense for them to do.

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Speaker 8: And if they play their every game the rest of

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Speaker 8: the way after they return, or if they just play

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Speaker 8: a few, get their sea legs.

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Speaker 7: You know they fit in the new environment, and then.

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Speaker 8: Okay, you know, focus on what needs to be focused

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02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:07,960
Speaker 8: on the rest of the way.

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Speaker 1: That is the voice of Tony East. He's on the

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02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 1: Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. Get a reminder use

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02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:16,280
Speaker 1: the app, the Java House app. Download it, and when

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02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,480
Speaker 1: you pre order your beverages and or food from any

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Speaker 1: of the brick and mortar locations, then you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent off with the code Jake twenty five. Tony. Lastly,

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Speaker 1: as we start, and I know it sounds weird to

2252
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:32,640
Speaker 1: say the second half of the season, because you know

2253
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:35,400
Speaker 1: they've played more than that but coming off the All

2254
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 1: Star Breakdow, is there realistically anything left to learn for

2255
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Speaker 1: the Pacers or is this a matter of simply playing

2256
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Speaker 1: out the games and then seeing where the chips fall

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Speaker 1: in terms of personnel That.

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Speaker 8: Is, yeah, the personnel part, well, it'll certainly be more

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02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:56,080
Speaker 8: learned in the summer, but you know, it's not nothing.

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Speaker 7: For example, whether.

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Speaker 8: Or not they do get a draft pick in the

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Speaker 8: first round this year, It's very possible to me that

2263
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Speaker 8: some combination of Ben Shepherd, Jarris Walker and Quinton Jackson

2264
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:08,320
Speaker 8: are like fighting for a rotation spot next year.

2265
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Speaker 7: Anything they can prove.

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Speaker 8: The rest of the season would of course be valuable

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Speaker 8: in their pursuit to be a part of that, right, Like,

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Speaker 8: I think that's totally reasonable, and I think you also

2269
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:17,760
Speaker 8: want to know over hear the Pacers some of these

2270
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 8: back end guys like Rick Carlisle talked about some of

2271
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 8: their two way guys see and then play.

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02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 7: A little more in coming, you know, down the stretch.

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Speaker 8: Eathan Thompson and Peter cam Jones and Michael Potter, that

2274
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 8: group that didn't play much when the Pacers were Potter

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02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:33,240
Speaker 8: played a good amount but didn't play it a ton

2276
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Speaker 8: for the pacers while they were, you know, on this

2277
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,720
Speaker 8: bitch stretch recently, like can are they in the mix

2278
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:40,960
Speaker 8: for like back end of the second unit next year?

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Speaker 8: Are they going to be development projects still? Should they

2280
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 8: even be on a team? Right, These are things that

2281
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:47,240
Speaker 8: they need to figure out about those guys too, because

2282
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,560
Speaker 8: their contractors are cheap and if you have achieved good players,

2283
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:52,080
Speaker 8: that's very important. So figuring out what they are and

2284
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 8: what they can do is also part of this. And

2285
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,240
Speaker 8: so there's some development to learn about a lot of guys,

2286
02:04:56,280 --> 02:04:58,160
Speaker 8: and you also want to see them in context of

2287
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:01,360
Speaker 8: playing with the team's best players, Like learning about Furfy.

2288
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:03,160
Speaker 7: And Tiakam together was a big thing that happened this year.

2289
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 8: But how much they can do that and still set

2290
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:07,720
Speaker 8: them up for success is a tricky.

2291
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 7: Balance to strike down the stretch.

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Speaker 8: So that's why I think they would say that they

2293
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 8: would hope to learn in these final twenty seven you know, up.

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Speaker 1: The guys that you mentioned, the one that when I

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02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 1: watch and sometimes I fall in love with with the

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Speaker 1: play of a guy and then I realized, like, yeah,

2297
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 1: I was kind of played that guys. You know there

2298
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 1: was circumstantial and not in mainline stuff, but Potter, to me,

2299
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Speaker 1: looks like a guy that there is going to be

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Speaker 1: a place for him. I mean, like tenth to eleventh guy.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but I think he is somebody

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Speaker 1: that next year could still be in rotation. You agree

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Speaker 1: or disagree, No, I do agree.

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Speaker 8: But they just played New York in New York and

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Speaker 8: they started him go guard Carl towns Man. Like you know,

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Speaker 8: he did a fine job in that game, and he's

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02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 8: probably at best competing to just stay on the team

2308
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:55,800
Speaker 8: as the third big and not pass Jay up as

2309
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Speaker 8: the backup. But the thing that always strikes me about

2310
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Speaker 8: him is like he may not be a exceptional in

2311
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 8: any one thing, but he doesn't stink at any skill

2312
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 8: that is asked of him or centers in the NBA.

2313
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:06,920
Speaker 7: Like he can move pretty well, he.

2314
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Speaker 8: Can shoot well enough, he doesn't hold the ball for

2315
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 8: very long. But all that stuff that really matters for

2316
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 8: the Pacers and makes him a good fan, he does

2317
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,800
Speaker 8: it every night, right, so he he'll certainly emaner. He

2318
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:17,960
Speaker 8: miss his shots and makes some defensive mistakes and things

2319
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 8: like that, like this is his first in or contract ever.

2320
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Speaker 7: But yeah, I agree that he's looked.

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Speaker 8: At least intriguing for the role he's auditioning for and

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Speaker 8: the role he currently has, and when Zoo bopped out,

2323
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:28,920
Speaker 8: he's gonna play. He's played some four too, like that

2324
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 8: versatility matter, So I agree that he's looked interesting and

2325
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Speaker 8: will continue to get chances to do so.

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Speaker 7: I'd imagine, you know.

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Speaker 1: Eddie, that's kind of like this show. That should be

2328
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Speaker 1: the new mantra for this show. We'd like to say

2329
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Speaker 1: educate and entertained, but the reality is this, this is

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Speaker 1: the show that we don't do anything really well, but

2331
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:47,120
Speaker 1: we overall don't have an area where we suck. That's

2332
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Speaker 1: basically it. Right here we go. I like that that's

2333
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Speaker 1: the new motto for the show, courtesy of Tony's.

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Speaker 8: Say about something when you say it about something else,

2335
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:57,680
Speaker 8: I'm like, am I being insulting? I don't know, I'm

2336
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:59,240
Speaker 8: trying to say it as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: No, I I took that as a compliment, and on

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Speaker 1: this show I would take it as a compliment too.

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Speaker 1: Nothing I do really well, but I don't suck anywhere either,

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? All right, Tony enjoy Uh.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna be there obviously for both games Pacers

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Speaker 1: Whiz right, I.

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Speaker 8: Will and the only thing you guys at poorly today

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Speaker 8: was the guest you guys had on.

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Speaker 7: At two thirty I would say.

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Speaker 1: Technically he was two thirty four. I think so you're safe, right,

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Speaker 1: all right, Tony, appreciate it. Go enjoy, uh, go walk

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Speaker 1: around the mall and enjoy all of the fabulous things

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Speaker 1: that Washington, DC has to offer. It is a fabulous city.

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Speaker 1: A question about it.

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Speaker 7: Thank you. I sure will thank you.

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Speaker 1: Tony East joining us on the program We Come Back.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Love Heating and Air and the great work

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Speaker 1: that they did and bailing me out big time. Uh

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Speaker 1: and my mom notably. But they also sponsored the crossover

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Speaker 1: Love Heating an Air, Love Dash HVAC dot com is

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Speaker 1: the website three one seven, three five three twenty one

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Speaker 1: forty one. The crossover with JMB where we find out

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02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,160
Speaker 1: exactly what it is and he's got cooking on his program.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out exactly that we'll do it. On the

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Speaker 1: other side. Eddie had big plans tonight.

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Speaker 3: Back to the grind Pacers, Jake back to producing with

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Speaker 3: on the network for Mark Boyle, Eddie gil Pat Boyling

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Speaker 3: and Eddie Waye.

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Speaker 1: That game getting underway. Pregames of what six thirty. Yes,

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Speaker 1: tip off just shortly after seven crossover is here with

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Speaker 1: JMV getting ready to hand it off. Yes, John's big program.

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Speaker 1: You gotta make a show line up.

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Speaker 9: You get a big show lined up. Matt Taylor, Tom Crean,

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Speaker 9: Mike Chappel. So there's obviously three big time subjects we

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Speaker 9: could talk about. Matt's got one of those Indiana sports

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Speaker 9: trivia things going on later on tonight at the Ale

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Speaker 9: down in Greenwood, too, so we'll talk that up.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Matt. He's taking that show on the road

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Speaker 1: for a couple.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm going to get Dusty Mace coming on tomorrow too,

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02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:51,880
Speaker 9: Dusty and Michigan getting ready for Duke. And I called

2378
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:54,560
Speaker 9: him yesterday. I go, hey, man, I know you're busy

2379
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:56,880
Speaker 9: this week. Ituse Yeah, I got Tom, let's do it.

2380
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 9: He goes where you been? And I said, well, you guys, really,

2381
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:02,160
Speaker 9: I haven't thought about you until just now.

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02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:03,760
Speaker 1: We kind of laughed about that a little bit. But

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02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:10,280
Speaker 1: the how about and I mean we how far into

2384
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 1: it will we be before people quit asking or quit

2385
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:15,400
Speaker 1: wondering what could have been? With that? Now?

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02:09:15,560 --> 02:09:20,360
Speaker 9: Forever probably for until Darren da Frees does something significant

2387
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 9: again with that program. Or takes it to a place

2388
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 9: to where people want it to be. That's going to

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02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:29,120
Speaker 9: be the timetable. Dustin and I did talk about how

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Speaker 9: his one of his brother in law actually got the

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Speaker 9: snow off my mom's driveway when it snowed, and then

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Speaker 9: another brother in law.

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Speaker 2: Cut his leg open with a chainsaw. Really yeah, down

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Speaker 2: there me.

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Speaker 1: You know last night when I was at the Indiana State.

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Speaker 2: Game, Yes, did you see Greg Lancing?

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Speaker 1: I did see Greg Lancings.

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Speaker 2: The hell of a game to go back to.

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Speaker 1: Right there. They honored at the half, they honored the

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Speaker 1: is it twenty eleven mo Val team? Yeah? And Lansing

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02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:03,960
Speaker 1: was there for that. He looked good and he did

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Speaker 1: the deal at the beginning. The one thing I noticed

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Speaker 1: is a lot of people that I talked to there

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Speaker 1: was certainly some talk about just Green County in general.

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02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 1: And I did not see your photo in Bally Who's

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Speaker 1: I Do.

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Speaker 2: You believe that I know?

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02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:19,480
Speaker 1: Is there one up there? Anyway?

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Speaker 9: I had one of the greatest moments of my life

2410
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:23,360
Speaker 9: is when I was hanging out with a girl and

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02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 9: she threw up in Bally who back in the courtyard area.

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Speaker 2: It was and it was like a fountain.

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Speaker 9: It was like this, it what up like like you

2414
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 9: know when a volcano erupts. Oh, that's what it looked like.

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02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,920
Speaker 9: And I couldn't go on hanging out with her after

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02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:39,360
Speaker 9: that point.

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Speaker 1: We had to end it. Yeah, I believe me.

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02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:43,320
Speaker 2: I was desperate as hell too, but not that desperate.

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02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:45,880
Speaker 1: It's usually a deal break, right that. Or then when

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02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:47,440
Speaker 1: it's closing down, they flup the lights side and like

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Speaker 1: wha wait a minute.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's always the famous quote, especially when you're having

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02:10:51,080 --> 02:10:54,920
Speaker 9: like Boone's Farm wine, is when you say, hey, I've

2424
02:10:54,920 --> 02:10:57,160
Speaker 9: had so much of this and I don't feel a thing,

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02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:59,560
Speaker 9: and the moment I don't feel a thing comes out

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02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:00,000
Speaker 9: of your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Something else's next.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And then she she did the fountain and I said,

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Speaker 9: you know, I'm desperate as hell here, but I'm not

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Speaker 9: that desperate at all.

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02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:10,640
Speaker 1: On it all hits it once, right. It was fun

2432
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:12,360
Speaker 1: last night though. It was fun to be Sycamore Sam

2433
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Speaker 1: as well. And I do like Holman Center cool are uh?

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Speaker 9: I love Tera hate their basketball team. You probably could

2435
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:22,720
Speaker 9: have been out there playing. They're not good. Yeah, they're

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02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:24,440
Speaker 9: not good at this timing. It looks like they're kind

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02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:26,560
Speaker 9: of done. That's not good either.

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02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they I mean they were competitive for eighty

2439
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:30,520
Speaker 1: percent of the game and then once it went south,

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02:11:30,520 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 1: it went south quick, yeah, quick.

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Speaker 9: And that's not good for Masks, not good for Mark

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02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:36,880
Speaker 9: and problematic.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear Eddie there? No, I heard that. Yeah,

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02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:42,120
Speaker 1: Eddie said, we got to stop talking tomorrow at least

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Speaker 1: I will do that.

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Speaker 2: You think you guys that Daddy White in the post

2447
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:46,240
Speaker 2: game show?

2448
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:48,600
Speaker 1: Why not?

2449
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:49,839
Speaker 2: Why do you treat us differently?

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02:11:49,880 --> 02:11:51,280
Speaker 1: Then, I'm just trying to get you.

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02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 9: I'm here, I'm here to whip you, man, I'm not

2452
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 9: here to So basically what basically.

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02:11:55,320 --> 02:11:56,880
Speaker 1: What we're getting at is if we just sat here

2454
02:11:56,920 --> 02:12:00,160
Speaker 1: and went holmeen holmen the whole time, he would ever

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02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:02,240
Speaker 1: tell us to shut up, he would think of Teddy White. Yeah,

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02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 1: all right, John's.

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Speaker 2: Taking his head in there.

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02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:06,800
Speaker 1: That's right. He knows he's going to catch some tonight. Now,

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Speaker 1: we will be back with you at noon tomorrow. And

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Speaker 1: I thank you for listening to Quarry Company.