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Speaker 1: Lie from ball Hartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: So we have all these things going on with Iran,

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Speaker 3: all these conversations going on regarding communists getting elected in

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Speaker 3: the United States. We still are talking about the southern border.

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Speaker 3: We've got a midterm coming up. But our life is

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Speaker 3: still happening, and within our life, we still have people

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Speaker 3: Not just asking questions about gun rights, but still under

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Speaker 3: this belief that you can get rid of all the guns,

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Speaker 3: that somehow you should not be able to protect your family,

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Speaker 3: the ones you love.

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Speaker 2: It's maddening on every level.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, an absolute pleasure to be

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Speaker 3: with you. We see in the courts that the Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment continues to win. It does continue to win. We

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Speaker 3: see success here, but it doesn't stop at all those

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Speaker 3: who want to say that somehow you're wrong in your

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Speaker 3: own defense. And we see that more than anything, that

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Speaker 3: when you're involved in your defense, people get really bothered

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Speaker 3: as if somehow you should not be allowed to defend yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's an issue.

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Speaker 3: Guy Ralford joins me right now, Guy Ralford a Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment attorney in Indiana known as the Gun Guy, does

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Speaker 3: a radio show of the same name a ninety three

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Speaker 3: point one FMWIBC, and has also worked on the creation

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Speaker 3: of laws here in the state of Indiana and things

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Speaker 3: that have been modeled in other places, consulted in other places.

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Speaker 3: Firearms instructor and one of my go to experts on

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Speaker 3: a lot of these subjects. But what you really do, Guy,

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Speaker 3: you're there in the courtroom and you're engaged in the

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Speaker 3: protection of people's rights. And very recently there was a

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Speaker 3: person you were defending found not guilty, as the reporting goes, locally,

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Speaker 3: got into a fight outside of a bar where he

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Speaker 3: was a back and forth. He was found not guilty.

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Speaker 3: I want to start with this case, and I'd like

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Speaker 3: some of the particulars.

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Speaker 2: Here, if you would, sir, absolutely, this is a case.

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Speaker 1: In Marion County, Indianapolis, and my client was out at

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Speaker 1: My client turned around and said, hey, man, she doesn't

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Speaker 1: The Marion County Prosecutor's office decided that my client had

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Speaker 3: So I should say, like in many places across the country,

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Speaker 3: and we have a very left leaning prosecutor here, and

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of issues with this prosecutor. His

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Speaker 3: But let us start where we're start, and this is

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Speaker 2: But in this case the prosecutor did. Is this because

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Speaker 3: And you can argue that it's cynical, I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this is what I'm noticing.

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Speaker 3: The idea of self defense for some segment of the

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Speaker 2: It's the craziest thing in the world to me, But

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Speaker 3: You are the guy who was representing ELI a shooting

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Speaker 1: There absolutely is, and I can give you a very

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Speaker 1: Tony at least, this is my confirmed belief, and I

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Speaker 1: But it's more than that. It's this aggressive attack on

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Speaker 1: That he's seen his office has seen an increase in

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Speaker 1: the very few we've lost have been self defense cases.

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Speaker 1: And so this whole area of self defense, well, he

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Speaker 1: You haven't even offered in voluntary manslaughter, and he said

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Speaker 3: Ralford Law dot com. You can find him on Twitter

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Speaker 3: xat Guy Ralford. Let's before we lose our minds on

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Speaker 3: the idea that no plea was offered. I'm certainly glad

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Speaker 3: you didn't take a plea on any level. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: about what the law is and this concept of self

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Speaker 3: an expertise on the law. Here there is a question

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Speaker 3: are offshoots that maybe don't fit into that category.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's a great question, and that is the law

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Speaker 1: of self defense in Median's I'll codified. Somebody wants to

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Speaker 1: look it up, just google thirty five, dash forty one,

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Speaker 2: And so wait, this is there.

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Speaker 3: There's a difference between what Indiana might do and what

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Speaker 3: I should say, et cetera exactly.

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Speaker 1: And most self defense laws in most states are based

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Speaker 1: asking a comment, for instance, on self defense cases out

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Speaker 1: of the state of Indiana, but Indiana statutes is codified.

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Speaker 1: Self defense law is right there in the statute and

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Speaker 3: Anytime we can answer the question with we have to

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Speaker 2: Guy Ralford R E. L F O r D.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the moments to be with us.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk again soon. Keep it here. This is Tony

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Speaker 3: Katz today, the President having an Oval Office presser as

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Speaker 2: But there are no signs that Iran is ready to

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Speaker 4: Give up their no signs? What do you know something

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Speaker 4: You don't get that when you listen to your fake station.

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Speaker 4: But you don't know, you don't know anything. You know

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Speaker 2: We'll tell us. I will tell you.

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Speaker 4: They want to desperately meet, and until they're ready to

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't be meeting at all. We should end the regime. Tony,

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Speaker 3: you warmonger. Oh stop it, Tony Katz. Tony Katz. Today,

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Speaker 2: From being in existence. That's the.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my logic is pretty unassailable. There.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's just oh sorry, there's a little bug

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Speaker 3: trying to fly near me. The Iranians sent it there

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like the guy and Raiders are the

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Speaker 2: That's the way this ends.

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Speaker 3: It ends with the Iranian regime ending, and you will

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Speaker 2: It's not true with Iran. They do things with I

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Speaker 3: Iran is the destabilizing force and Iran with a nuclear

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Speaker 2: Trump knows this. I'm asked, whose troops are you going

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Speaker 3: Ah, this is the boots on the ground conversation, Israeli, Bahrain, UAE, Saudi.

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Speaker 2: We'll get some French troops in there. We can do

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Speaker 3: Happening behind the scenes, but that has to be one

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Speaker 2: And if it's not, well, that's just nuts. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 3: Three more things Tony Katz Tony Katz Today in absolute

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Speaker 3: at tonykats dot com, live streaming, YouTube and rumble Tony

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Speaker 3: It's Tony Katz Radio, What are three more things? These

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Speaker 3: Yahoo will not be arrested. Of course it's communist? Is Lomist?

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Speaker 3: I should say is Lomist? Zarn Mamdanni? The mayor of

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Speaker 3: the International Criminal Court. Who cares? It's the International Criminal Court?

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Speaker 3: What authority do they have? That's like the United Nations

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Speaker 2: And the mayor of New York athetic so what Netna?

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Speaker 3: What Trump is saying is that nya who's not gonna

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Speaker 3: These are broken people, unserious people.

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Speaker 2: And when he talks about it, he talks about it

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Speaker 3: And it's very, very, very odd and a lot of

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't be allowed to operate heavy machinery. The bigotry

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Speaker 3: The Democratic Socialists are going to start feeling serious pushback,

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Speaker 3: Black New York City politician slams DSAY as white supremacists

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Speaker 3: And he wrote, white supremacy comes in all forms.

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Speaker 3: Is that is beautiful, just absolutely positively beautiful. Of course

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Speaker 2: going to take place.

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Speaker 3: And Van Jones pushing back saying, you guys are going

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Speaker 3: to destroy this party, and he's getting attacked. No, it's

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Speaker 3: interesting about van Jones, as I always thought van Jones

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Speaker 3: associated with the communists. Maybe that isn't the case, maybe

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Speaker 3: things have changed, Maybe that was a fool's errand friend,

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Speaker 3: I can't have the answer.

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Speaker 2: Disagreed with van Jones more than I've agreed with.

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Speaker 3: Him, But yes, this should break the Democratic Party. Who

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Speaker 3: would want to be connected to these communists? Only John

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Speaker 3: Fetterman makes the very agree assive argument. And then there

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Speaker 3: are people like gott Heeimer, a representative I believe, out

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Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania, making arguments because the bigotrey of the Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party is palpable. I don't know how someone like Gottheimer

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Speaker 3: could ever still be a part of the party. Can

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Speaker 3: you really root out this stuff? I don't think you can.

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Speaker 3: It's been years of this. I don't think you're gonna

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Speaker 3: be able to make it go away. And so the

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Speaker 3: case to de Van Jones was made that eventually you

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Speaker 3: realize you're not a Democrat anymore, you're a moderate Republican.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that is true. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I could accept such a thing. I certainly could

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Speaker 3: say you're not a conservative. Well, I can say that

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Speaker 3: to many Republicans right now. I'm a conservative, not a Republican.

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Speaker 3: I get this, I understand this, but I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's what it means. I don't know if it

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Speaker 3: means you're actually a moderate Republican if you simply state

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Speaker 3: that I want nothing to do with these anti Semitic,

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Speaker 3: anti Western bigots and freaks and these dangerous, violent people.

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Speaker 3: But if you are looking for a place that will

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Speaker 3: fight this and a place where you're not going to

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Speaker 3: have it, then there's only.

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Speaker 2: One place to vote. For a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Some may go libertarian side other things like that, but

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Speaker 3: in the main, there's only one answer, and that's an

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Speaker 3: undeniable You can't you can't be part of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: Think you could vote for these Democrats and think that

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Speaker 3: somehow it's going to work out well for Western civilization,

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Speaker 3: for a society to remain. When these socialists say that

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Speaker 3: they want to do away with the Senate and the.

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Speaker 2: Article five are the Article five.

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Speaker 3: Article five of the US Constitution states that the representative

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Speaker 3: representation suffrage and in the Senate isn't going to change

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Speaker 3: two senators from each state. Well, they're goal is to

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Speaker 3: do away with the Senate. Their goal is to do

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Speaker 3: away with the Constitution. You shouldn't even see these people

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Speaker 3: if they should win, but you recognize what their goal is.

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Speaker 2: Their goal is the end of.

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Speaker 3: The United States Constitution. And they have to lose. They

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Speaker 3: have to lose large. And then there's the reality that

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Speaker 3: this incoming cromp of communists they really don't care about

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Speaker 3: the Democrat Party. Is that woman Chevalier who could end

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Speaker 3: up being a member of Congress from New York, avowed communists.

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Speaker 2: This is the woman who.

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Speaker 3: Said that if you can't find a napkin, she'll just

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Speaker 3: wipe her hands on the US flag, right on the

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Speaker 3: American flag. Listen to this about support of a Keem Jeffries,

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Speaker 3: the Democrat leader in the House.

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Speaker 6: I asked you when you were here for the main

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Speaker 6: debate of how King Jeffrey should be speaker, and you

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Speaker 6: said it was too early because you were focused on

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Speaker 6: the race.

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Speaker 2: The race is over. Should he be speaking?

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm still working to build out, you know,

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Speaker 6: the structures of co governance, and I'm so excited to

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Speaker 6: model for other across the country, but for this district

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Speaker 6: in particular, and to have those conversations with the community,

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Speaker 6: because I think the first vote that I make will

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Speaker 6: set the tone for the kind of leadership that the

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Speaker 6: district will have, and I want to make sure that

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Speaker 6: I'm making that vote with the considerations of the community

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Speaker 6: in mind.

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Speaker 2: Hakim Jeffries is on the shopping block. We said it.

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Speaker 3: There's no leadership amongst the Democrat Party. There's no question

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Speaker 3: of the leader of the Republican Party, is right, that's

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And if you take a look at all

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Speaker 3: the people who are going to look to succeed Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: we got a lot of people. Now the Democrats are

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Speaker 3: going to run a crap load of people. Everybody in

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Speaker 3: their mother is going to run for president as a Democrat.

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Speaker 3: There is no leader none. Hakim Jeffries is no Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say Nancy Pelosi was worthwhile. What a horrible leader,

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Speaker 3: iron fist and all the last all the rest. But

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Speaker 3: there's no question she was in charge, no question at

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Speaker 3: all that she was in charge. Democrats don't have that,

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Speaker 3: and that's going to lead to massive, massive issues.

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Speaker 2: Then there is the tariffs.

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Speaker 3: As you heard, President Trump is going to levy a

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Speaker 3: fifty percent tariff on Canada because of trade policies. The

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Speaker 3: purchase of alcohol bourbon, specifically, the purchase of g is,

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Speaker 3: the purchase of automobiles, and they are not they're engaged

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Speaker 3: in trade discrimination. So it's gonna be a fifty percent tariff.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows. He's full of it, right, Look, look, look, look, look, look,

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Speaker 3: look I voted for the man three times. They'll say

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Speaker 3: anything I want. He's full of it. None of this

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Speaker 3: has to do with trade. He could have put in

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Speaker 3: those tariffs a month ago, three weeks ago, five.

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Speaker 2: Months ago, a year ago. No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 2: This is the wildfires.

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Speaker 3: President Trump said that these wildfires are a problem. They're

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Speaker 3: an issue, and we should you know, there should be

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Speaker 3: some kind of recompense.

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Speaker 2: They're poisoning our air, that's what he said. He said, they.

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Speaker 3: Are poisoning our air and something has to be done

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Speaker 3: about this.

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Speaker 7: Oh I could, but I told him, I mean, you

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Speaker 7: got to stop these fires from coming in and you

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Speaker 7: know poisoning our air. Our air has been poisoned. Have

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Speaker 7: a good relationship, please Mark Karney. But you know we

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Speaker 7: got to stop the fires up there. We can help them,

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Speaker 7: help them, but maybe they should fay us some damages

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Speaker 7: or something.

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Speaker 2: Or that's the tariff kids.

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Speaker 3: That was Sunday after the World Cup match there in

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Speaker 3: New Jersey. He's there at Joint Bass Andrews got off

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Speaker 2: That's what this is. And everybody knows it because.

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Speaker 3: Hours earlier he was standing next to Mark Karney watching

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Speaker 3: the World Cup final. It no buddy is buying this

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Speaker 3: story about unfair trade practices. This is about the wildfires.

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Speaker 3: Just say it the way it is, sir. It's important

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Speaker 3: Much more show is coming up this right here, This

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Speaker 3: is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 5: Five days away from the midterm elections. In last hour

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Speaker 5: we revealed our power rankings for the House, and now

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Speaker 5: we do it not let last out. We did it

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Speaker 5: for the set, and how we do it, obscure, is

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Speaker 5: how we can always change. One hundred and five days ago,

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Speaker 5: still primaries underway in different parts of the country, especially

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Speaker 5: on the Senate side. But the sixteen tossups that you

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Speaker 5: see right here in the middle more on the House

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Speaker 5: side for Republicans than on the Democratic side. But we

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Speaker 5: see at the moment sixteen toss ups with the House

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Speaker 5: on the line.

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Speaker 3: So what is Bill Hemmer saying there at Fox is

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Speaker 3: Democrats down of a lock in the House, exactly what

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Speaker 3: we've been discussing. We're one hundred and five days from

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Speaker 3: the midterms and they don't have it yet. This this

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Speaker 3: is the summer, this is when the opinions get formed.

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Speaker 3: They don't have it yet exactly what we've been saying.

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Speaker 3: Don't think that it's all lost, cause you got to

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Speaker 3: get out. You gotta vote Tony Katz to any cats today.

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Speaker 3: An absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 3: I want to share this story about Nicaragua because it

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Speaker 3: is the Nicaraguan a strong man.

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Speaker 2: Do we call him a strong man? Now?

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Speaker 3: Daniel or Tega his wife, by the way, is the

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Speaker 3: vice president adorable. He has announced that the country will

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Speaker 3: not be holding any elections. He doesn't want the political

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Speaker 3: right having any chance to take any power. He has

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Speaker 3: canceled the elections which were scheduled in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: His Congress extended his term a year. Didn't even know

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Speaker 3: you could do such a thing. There is a problem

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Speaker 3: for Nicaragua. Here about Nicaragua, and it is the United

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Speaker 3: Nations that just elected China, Cuba, Nicaragua, Saudi Arabian Sudan

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Speaker 3: to their Committee on NGNGOS Non Governmental Organizations, which oversees

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Speaker 3: the works of human rights groups at the UN. How

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Speaker 3: could anyone vote to have China, Cuba or Nicaragua anywhere

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Speaker 3: near that? Never mind Saudi Arabian Sudan. The guy just

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Speaker 3: promised yesterday no elections, and today the UN's like you are.

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Speaker 3: You're a good member of the community. I'm paying attention

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Speaker 3: to this Nicaragua sty because you guys know, I'm a

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Speaker 3: cigar smoker. I host Eat, Drink, Smoke, the largest cigar

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Speaker 3: and bourbon radio review radio show in the country.

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Speaker 2: And we already don't recognize our tega.

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Speaker 3: We've already seen tariffs on Nicaragua.

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Speaker 2: It's going to affect this industry. Guys. This move is

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Speaker 2: going to because it's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Get response from the US. It's going to get a

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Speaker 3: tariff response, could get other responses. It is going to

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Speaker 3: affect cigars. I'm ready for this. Is Tony Katz today,