1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Casey, I have a question for you. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that, Rob? 3 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 3: Do we play Kate a pointless venture if the cause 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 3: is decent? 5 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Oh that sounds like a very Democrat thing to say. 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Means well, no, no, no. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean like, if somebody has an idea that like 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: theoretically is a really good idea and would actually if 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 3: it could be an act at help humanity, do. 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: We encourage them to do that if. 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: There's zero chances they're going to succeed at it. That's 12 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: really what I'm asking you. 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Sure give it a shot. 14 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 3: Okay, very good, go for it. Well, that's what we'll do. 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: And hot dang, it just happens to be our opening segment. 16 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Right. If you'd have said no that at this point, 17 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: it really would have screwed up the segment. 18 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: It's good to go along with that. 19 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: Joe, Thank you for Blaylock. 20 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: So our old friends of the Indiana Capitol Chronicle had 21 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: an interesting. 22 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: Article that there is a new group. 23 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: Being formed and their whole mission is to elect independent 24 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: candidates in the state of Indiana, not third parties, people 25 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: actually running without a party affiliation. The group is called 26 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: Independent Indiana. And I thought this was interesting because in 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: an ideal world absolutely absolutely an ideal world. The Democrats 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: and Republicans have absolutely just totally let everybody down. They've 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: lied to everybody in their respective corners of the political universe. 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: And we need people to be elected who are done 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: with both teams and they say I'm going to work 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: for you. 33 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: Rather than the teams themselves. 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's your theory. It sounds great, Yes, it's phenomenal. 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: This article goes through how you know what percentage of 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: voters they actually believe are truly independent, even though you know, 37 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: if you got a that don't vote in Republican or 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: Democrat primaries, that set it out. Blah blah blah. Here's 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: the problem with this. The system is set up to 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: protect the two parties. Is being set up to protect 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: one party? Well, yeah, right, I mean we're in the 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: process and we'll get to the map, the new wacky 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: alleged map here in just a little bit. But yes, 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: certainly Republicans control everything, so they're going to try to, 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: in the case of congressional districts, draw them in. 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Favor of Republicans. 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the two parties 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: really just care about themselves existing. 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: They don't want anybody. 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: They'll pretend fight with each other and whatever, but they 51 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: don't want anybody else in treating on their territory. And 52 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say libertarians are a joke. 53 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Well I was. 54 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: Gonna say, what about libertarians? 55 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: Well they how many opportunities of the libertarians had, especially 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: in a post twenty twenty world where it's like, Okay, 57 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: everybody's kind of sick of you guys, or of the 58 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: two existing guys. There's an opening here with the success 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: of a Donald Rainwater, and all you got to do 60 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: is walk. 61 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: Through the door. Right. 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: You got to have just a base level of competency, 63 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: a base level of organization, a base level of fundraising, 64 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: and you guys could permanently enter that ten percent of 65 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: the vote and start costing people elections and start getting 66 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: people's attention. 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: They couldn't do it. They didn't fund raise. They don't. 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: I had this conversation with people over the weekend at 69 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: the at the party that I was bartending, because a 70 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: lot of Libertarians were there, and they agree with me 71 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: on this, including guy who used to be the main guy. 72 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: I think it was the whatever they call it, head, 73 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: I don't executive director, whatever the thing is called the 74 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: main the main guy of the Libertarian Party. We were 75 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: talking about this and and he he agreed. It's like 76 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: there's just no there is no there is no organization, 77 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: there is no a on a broad scale, there is 78 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: no fundraising to speak of that would move the needle 79 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: on candidates, there is no there is no ability to collaborate, 80 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: et cetera things you would have to do to start 81 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: getting people not even elected, but start making these these 82 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: major sort of accidental gains that Rainwater stumbled into, which 83 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: was as we now see, just purely an I hate 84 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: Holcombe vote. Right, So the Libertarians have bad access in 85 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: the sense of they don't have to get these signatures. 86 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: We I'll get to in just a second. So that's 87 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: a big thing for them. But the part the brand 88 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: is so stained. People were just like, oh the Libertarians, 89 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: Oh here they are again, right, isn't that cute? Whereas 90 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: an independent person who's not stayed by either of the 91 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 3: parties or the third party, the Libertarians, maybe that person 92 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: might have a chance. Here's the problem with all this. 93 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: The Capitol Chronicle did some math on what it would 94 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: cost just to run for statewide office as an independent, 95 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: and this is where we just we halt the entire thing. Right, So, 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: in order to get on the ballot, you would as 97 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: an independent candidate, you would need two percent of the 98 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 3: registered voters from the most recent Secretary of State's race, 99 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: and that comes out to about thirty seven thousand people. 100 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: So you would need to get thirty seven thousand what 101 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: they called verified signatures. 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: Valid signals. 103 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: They have to be valid. You got to live where 104 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: you say, live blah blah blah, say they have to 105 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: be real people. Yes, yes, some of our other friends 106 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: have found out you can't just make the names up 107 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: and they said that you really need a professional to 108 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: help you. There are people who do this for a living, right, 109 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: They know how to do this, and they charge roughly 110 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: fifteen dollars of valid signature. So signature gets verified, you 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: get billed fifteen bucks. That comes out to about seven 112 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars to just get on the ballot to run, right, 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: Just to run, you would have to be able to 114 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: raise seven hundred thousand dollars. 115 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: And that says nothing about about being competitive, especially in 116 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: Indiana's media market. 117 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: No, that's just to run. 118 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: The Republicans and Democrats, even the Libertarians don't I don't 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: have to do any of that because they have the 120 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: automatic ballot access and independent Kennedy. Now you don't have 121 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: to use professionals. You can try to do it on 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: your own. I tell you that people. That fails all 123 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: the time when people try to do it on their 124 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: own because they don't know, no fold to their own, 125 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: they don't know what they're doing. So this is what 126 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: this group what are they called Independent Indiana is going 127 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: to run up against. And they're touting these local mayors 128 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: or council people across the state who have been elected 129 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: to various things. 130 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: Since two hundred and forty four. 131 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: Independents ran in twenty three to twenty four and partisan 132 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: races fifty two percent of them one, which is more 133 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: than half, but nearly one in three who lost still 134 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: received between thirty and forty nine percent of the vote. 135 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 136 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: Look, I'm just making up a place. I've no oded 137 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 3: that this is right or not. I mean, this place 138 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: really exists, but I have no idea if their town 139 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: board is structured this way, if you're an independent and 140 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: you're on the town board in Coatesville, population eight, you might. 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Actually be able to pull that off. 142 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: Good and good for you, right, and by the way 143 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: Hendricks County life are in no way to meeting the 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: people of Coatesville. 145 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Very fine people. 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure just the first name, small town name 147 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: that came to my large cranium, Kendallville or Reelsville or. 148 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: New Harmony, or you don't pick any of them. Right. 149 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: You might be able to pull that off, but. 150 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: You're not moving the needle in terms of how the 151 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: state views breaking the stranglehold that Republican and Democrat parties 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: have on our electoral system. And order to do that, 153 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to win a big one. You're gonna 154 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: have to score a big perch. Here's the other problem 155 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: with this. We've seen these quote unquote independents pull this 156 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: off before. Jesse vent Tura comes to mind. Technically at 157 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: a party, but he was an independent ross pro. Technically again, 158 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: had a party, he was independent. The problem is there's 159 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: no down ballot organization that happens as an independent because 160 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: you're just that, you're independent. You're on your own. You 161 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: don't elevate anybody with you. 162 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: And you don't get elevated by anybody that's right top 163 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: of the ballot. 164 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: That's right. 165 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: So say a me goes out and does this, which 166 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: if anybody could pull it off, it would be me. 167 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Sure nobody's gonna be l elevated because of this. 168 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: That's why if I did it, would probably do it 169 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: as a libertarian because I wouldn't have to get the signatures. 170 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: I could save all that money and I'm going to 171 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: be running as an independent anyway. But God bless these 172 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: people for trying. And if they can, you know, make 173 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: any dent in the two party asphyxiation of the voters, great, 174 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: I just I don't see it happening when we're talking 175 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: about how the math actually works. 176 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: Okay, So they say their goals of Independent Indiana are 177 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: to highlight success stories. They have two hundred and forty 178 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: four to choose from, according to their own billboard. They 179 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: also want to educate and support independent candidates, support how 180 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: support financially Just at a boy, pat on the back, 181 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: were supporting you. They also want to push for electoral reforms. 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: And you know today is a big day with the 183 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: Secretary of State. He's got that election study public meeting, 184 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 4: Oh wow, happening today at twelve o'clock at the Indiana 185 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: Government Center south off the Harrison Hall, Room seventeen. If 186 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: you're you know, completely interesting. 187 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: What is it? What is it called? 188 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: It is the Election Study public meeting. 189 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: Oh, what is the chance to discuss potential election changes 190 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: and ensure Indiana keeps leading the way in election integrity.