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Speaker 1: You covered Indiana politics and government for a long time.

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Speaker 1: When you were approached with this story. Because obviously, I

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Speaker 2: You know, so when I if I'd come into this

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Speaker 2: But yes, I have some reporting about how time keeping

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Speaker 1: All right, so you are actually here. We talked with

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Speaker 1: All right, wrap it up here, let's come back to

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Speaker 1: investigations in the Marion County Prosecutor's office. I'm it's gonna

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Speaker 1: Or does say six months around, I'll be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I looked into it. Nothing there. How I go about their.

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Speaker 2: Business, It's very hard to go after elected officials as

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Speaker 2: the given what the requirements. Which seems more likely to me,

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Speaker 2: if there are any charges brought in anything they decided

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Speaker 2: And again I don't want to get out ahead of

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Speaker 2: likely unless they find that some unless in their investigation

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Speaker 2: they find something pointing directly to Micah directing it. And

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Speaker 2: that's all hypothetical. I do not have any evidence of that,

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Speaker 2: but those are kind of the those are the barometers

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Speaker 2: of this. So what is what I suspect at this

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Speaker 2: point would be if there's prosecution, it would be of

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Speaker 2: the staff, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, And everybody is innocent until proven guilty. No one's

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Speaker 1: been charged with anything thus far, no one's been alleged

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Speaker 1: to have been charged with it. And we say this

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Speaker 1: all the time. A grand jury investigation does not mean

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Speaker 1: an indictment, and an indictment does not mean a conviction.

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Speaker 1: Exact Tom Labianco again, real quick work. Can everybody find you?

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