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Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to

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Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun show.

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Speaker 2: Monday Gun Day with the gun.

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Speaker 1: Just watch up with the guns.

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Speaker 2: They'll get you, guy, Stop calling your arms gun you ever?

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Speaker 2: Nigel Show WIBC.

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Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with

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Speaker 1: the very special guys on the hotline to.

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Speaker 3: A attorney, firearms instructor and the host of the Gun

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Speaker 3: Guys Show. Here at ninety three WIBC. Guy Ralford joins us, Guy,

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Speaker 3: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am great guys and thanks us always to our

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Speaker 3: So guy, the biggest store in Indiana right now. Is

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Speaker 3: what happened in my hometown of Beech Grove, Indiana last night?

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Speaker 3: And the question I have for you is during the

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Speaker 3: four hours the manhunt, where nobody knew where this armed

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Speaker 3: and dangerous suspect was and he was deemed armed and

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Speaker 3: dangerous and there was a lock in shelter in place order,

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Speaker 3: like the high school was locked down, people were told

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Speaker 3: not to go anywhere. If a citizen were to see

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Speaker 3: this guy and take a shot at him because they

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Speaker 3: feared for their own life, would that citizen then be

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Speaker 3: charged with something considering the suspect was deemed armed and dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it depends on what's called the totality

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Speaker 2: of the circumstances, and so it would really depend on

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Speaker 2: what the person was doing at the time. For instance,

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Speaker 2: if you just had heard a report the guy's armed

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Speaker 2: and dangerous, he's not threatening you, he's trying to hurt you,

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Speaker 2: he's not displaying a weapon, pointing a weapon at you,

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Speaker 2: or anything along those lines, it'd be hard to justify

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Speaker 2: just shooting him. In other words, we're not the police

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Speaker 2: officers the authorized to use ford simply to apprehend a

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Speaker 2: suspect seemed to be dangerous. So if he would threatened you,

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Speaker 2: if he was doing anything that made you fear curious

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Speaker 2: bodily injury or death, the fact that he was beamed

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Speaker 2: armed in dangerous, that you know, the police had put

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Speaker 2: out a bulletin that he's armed in dangerous would certainly

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Speaker 2: factor in whether you had a reasonable belief you are

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Speaker 2: preventing serious bodily injury to you or someone else. It

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Speaker 2: would definitely be a factor. But I don't think just

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Speaker 2: seeing the guy matching the description and taking a shot

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Speaker 2: at him without him threatening you in some way would

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Speaker 2: be would be legal for a private citizen to do.

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like this would be such a Marion

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Speaker 3: County thing to do. Like I could see Ryan Meers

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Speaker 3: or some squorely you know, judge at a lower level

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Speaker 3: making the citizen who saw this lunatic running into an

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Speaker 3: you know, running from the police, somebody shoots that guy

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Speaker 3: because they know he's already shot at least two police officers.

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Speaker 3: I could totally see some woke prosecutor some weasel judge

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Speaker 3: making that citizen the bad guy in the situation. Does

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And so I would definitely

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Speaker 2: want to be able to enunciate what he was doing

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Speaker 2: that threatened me or threaten someone else with that imminent harm,

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Speaker 2: rather than just a general sense that well, this is

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Speaker 2: a bad guy who shot someone else. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and shoot him. Interestingly enough, we do

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Speaker 2: have citizens arrests in Indiana that are legal, and all

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Speaker 2: you need is a belief that felony has been committed

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Speaker 2: and probable cause to believe this person committed it. Then

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Speaker 2: as citizen can arrest a person that circumstance, and that

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Speaker 2: we have a crime called pointing a firearm. But one

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Speaker 2: of the exceptions to the crime of pointing a firearm

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Speaker 2: is if you're justified in using reasonable force as part

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Speaker 2: of a citizen's arrest. So if I saw the guy

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Speaker 2: that I draw down on him, point my gun at him,

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Speaker 2: tell him, you know, to lay out on the floor,

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Speaker 2: absolutely I could do that, but I'm not justified in

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Speaker 2: using deadly force unless otherwise justified. So he would have

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Speaker 2: to have that reasonable belief I'm preventing serious bodily injury.

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Speaker 1: Guy, could you just talk a minute about law enforcement

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Speaker 1: in general and how I pointed out earlier that these guys,

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Speaker 1: these men and women, run towards gunfire, They run towards disturbances,

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Speaker 1: which is what happened last night at domestic disturbance, and

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Speaker 1: some of the awful rhetoric. Rhetoric we've been hearing for

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Speaker 1: the past few months on a federal level, a state level,

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Speaker 1: how much that factors in and and really just underappreciated.

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Speaker 1: I feel like these guys are, and these men and

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Speaker 1: women are underappreciated sometimes and last night just really just

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Speaker 1: an awful tragedy and kind of showcasing what I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: About absolutely, And you know all the hate that infesters

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Speaker 2: online and communicates through social media and otherwise, and you know,

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Speaker 2: in you really describing them as something subhuman. That's got

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Speaker 2: a factor in that. You know, that that mentality that's

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Speaker 2: just so vicious out there. Man, here, these folks, even

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Speaker 2: in that environment, are are putting themselves in harm's way

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Speaker 2: for the protection of their fellow citizens and the defense

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Speaker 2: of their community. And hey, I know you're going to

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Speaker 2: have our buddy rick On here in a little bit

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Speaker 2: uh specifically about fop's perspective. But man, as a private citizen,

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Speaker 2: it just makes me appreciate those folks all the more

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Speaker 2: and really want to be able to express both gratitude

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Speaker 2: and a little love to these folks whenever you can

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Speaker 2: just because they get so much at the opposite out

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Speaker 2: there on social media and otherwise.

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Speaker 3: Monday Gun Day with gun Guy Guy, Relford Guy. We

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Speaker 3: got about two minutes left here. A lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: going on, but I do want to talk about something

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Speaker 3: else that IMPD is involved in, and that's getting some

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Speaker 3: national recognition for their stance on firearms at protests.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was impressed by this. You know, there's a

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Speaker 2: website called Bearing Arms and this was started by Cam Edwards,

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Speaker 2: you see with NRAATV. I worked with him there and

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Speaker 2: he's established his website and Bearing Arms is very pro

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Speaker 2: Second Amendment website and they create articles, multiple articles every

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Speaker 2: day and they do a really nice job with this.

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Speaker 2: An article out saying IMPD gets it right when it

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Speaker 2: comes to guns at protests, and really, you know, after

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Speaker 2: we saw some really disappointing comments from the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: about basically implying there's no such thing as peaceably carrying

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Speaker 2: a gun at a protest in the wake of Alex

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Speaker 2: Pretti's shooting, the IMPD just did the opposite and they

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Speaker 2: put out a statement regarding some protests that were planned

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Speaker 2: for this last weekend and this next week in Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: IMPD put out a statement and they said, the presence

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Speaker 2: of guns at a protest is both not a reason

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Speaker 2: for it is most not a crime. Rather, the presence

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Speaker 2: of guns at a protest is both not a crime

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Speaker 2: and not a reason for law enforcement to intervene. Our

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Speaker 2: team recognizes the visible presence of firearms can make some

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Speaker 2: community members uncomfortable or concerned, but the IMPD recognizes and

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Speaker 2: respects the constitutional rights of all members of the community.

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Speaker 2: And so I love that. And Cam Edwards called them

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Speaker 2: out on our national level and two thumbs up to

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Speaker 2: IMPD for respecting not only First Amendment rights people can

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Speaker 2: protest if they want to, but being able to exercise

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Speaker 2: their Second Amendment rights at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Guy, we appreciate you taking the time on a Tuesday

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Speaker 3: to do Monday Gun Day with us as we had

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Speaker 3: a holiday and we were off the air yesterday. Where

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Speaker 3: can somebody find you at?

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Speaker 2: I really the website for the office is Ralford Law

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Speaker 2: dot com. Check it out at Ralfordlaw dot com.

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Speaker 3: Guy, Ralford the gun Guy, You are the best, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys,