1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: I think we're kicking off December right, fingers, the whole 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: holiday season Hanukahs around the corner. Christmas is not too 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: far after that, then the New Year's I think, I 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: think we're hitting our December in a beautiful, beautiful way 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: with a little bit of Maker's Mark s drink smoke. 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz and that is Fingers mLOY. He is 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: America's favorite amateur drinker. Find everything wherever it is you 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: want to get your podcasts. Get the podcast at Eat 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: drink smoke, eatrinksmokeshow dot com, social media, eat drink smoke. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: But not just any maker's mark. Oh no, no, no, no, no, 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: no no. What do they call this? They call this 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: special Fingers Maloy, They call this special proof. This is 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Maker's Mark one oh one coming in at Do I 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: have it right? Do I have it right? Did I 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: give it all away? One hundred and one proof? Look 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: at that, Fingers Mailloy applauding for anything that is over 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: one hundred right there. It's fifty point five percent fifty 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: point five percent alcohol by volume. So this is the 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: special proof. Now, makers Mark, I think is a standard. 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: I think Maker's Mark is a standard in every liquor cabinet. 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about a basic, easy understandable bourbon right here. 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: That does not mean you don't have it. Oh no, 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: it's not cool enough, it's not hip enough, it doesn't 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: have enough of this. Stop being silly and get into 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: some of these basics. Remember we've been doing this show 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: now for six years. Fingers woayt I had. I did 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: not bring this up with you. I have a whole 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: no que cards. If you're talking about a basic bourbon 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: over the six years we've done that, you must have 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: in your liquor cabinet, a basic. 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: Bourbon, uh, no frills anything else. What is that bourbon? Well, 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: it's either Old Granddad one fourteen. It's Old Granddad one fourteen. 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was. What was the other one? 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: I would put Maker's Mark in that category. 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: There are so many good bourbons at these lower price points. 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: One of the bourbons we did a few years fact 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: that still people talk to me about Johnny Drum. Johnny 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Drum was stupendous. It's terrific. You're gonna love it. Maker's 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: Mark is one of those. It's it's fine, it's good 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: in the cabinet for sure. This coming in a one 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: hundred and one proof. We got the poor worst lines 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: right here. Go ahead. You mentioned the holidays. I did. 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: There's something about the red wax on top of the 44 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: Maker's Mark bottle that just screams to me, Christmas. Is 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: it the red wax? That's how I topped my tree. 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: Oh you dep in red wax and bourbon. You you 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: are great Christmas. So this is the Maker's Mark one 48 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 2: on one. 49 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: First of all, that color is so near the classic 50 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: there right, it's it's a little darker, it's a little 51 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: more in that orange, not so much in the reds there, beautiful, 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: beautiful look. Not much viscosity on this, not really sticking 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: to the glass there. It is that is just that 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: is just pleasant for all the things where we're picking 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: out these notes and picking out these flavors. And don't 56 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: get me wrong, I love it. I love the artistic 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: expression of bourbon. It's why I love this so much. 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: It isn't the drinking. I'm not a bourbon drunk. I'm 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: not a bourbon drinker. I'm a siper. I've always has 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: been same things with Rye and everything else. It's the 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: art that moves me every single time. What it is 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: this industry does. I am in awe of these people 63 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: and very often their palettes. But that nose, fingers, yeah, yeah, you. 64 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: Get the caramel, you get some oak. I've seen other 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: people talk about there's a nice little bit of fruit 66 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: on there. 67 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: There is. I can see that. 68 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: One hundred and one proof to me, Tony, no ethanol, 69 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: alcohol at all on the nose. 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: If you know, I have my nose a little different 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: than yours. If I go in, if I go in deep, 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: I can catch it right, really catch that ethanol for sure. 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: But that kind of tinge of citrus, that little bit 74 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: of sugary undertone, that that basic caramel there. It's just 75 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: a nice, nice, nice expression for sure. On the maker's 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: mark one on one what they call the special proof. 77 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: But fingers, malloy, enough of the sniffany sniffs. You ready 78 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: for this, Tony? I haven't ready for this all day. 79 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: He is doing what is known as the Kentucky chew 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, taking a sip, moving it around the palate, 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: really trying to get a feel for the bourbon. I'm 82 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: a believer in the two SIPs methodology. The first sip 83 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: to set the taste buds, the second sip to really 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: get an idea of where those flavors are and fingers 85 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: Horatio Maloy. 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: It's nice. There's nothing wrong with nice. It's great for 87 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: the holidays. It's got a little bit of spice to it. 88 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: That caramel is there, there's oak. You know, you could 89 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: talk me into fruit, but it's it's I don't know 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: what you you said, citrus. I'll buy that on the nose, 91 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: not so much on the palate. It's it's hard to 92 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: describe what that is, but it's good. Uh, And it's 93 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: it's it's just you would never guess. 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: That's one hundred and one proof. I'm going in. I'm 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: going down here. It is. He's a Maker's Mark, special Proof, 96 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: one on one. 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: He's going in ladies and gentlemen, and he's doing what 98 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: we like to call the saganaw swish, the Memphis munch, 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: the chat mule. 100 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: It was actually a little hotter than I thought it 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, oh yeah, it is in a bad way, 102 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: in a surprising way. Okay, Oh that is fruity, isn't it. 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: But what would you say that is? It's not like 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: a juicy fruit. 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: Melon. Yeah, that's what that This is gonna sound so stupid. 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: There is a little bit of like a tangerine candle 107 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: up thing happening. Okay, I'll buy that. That's where I'm 108 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: at home. 109 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: I'm going back in because I was struggling to I 110 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, there's a fruit there, but it's not. 111 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: It's not orchard, you know, it's yeah, no, it's it 112 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: is a citrusy kind of thing happening. The caramel is 113 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: not really I wish it was a little bit more there. 114 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: There's a cinnamon heat that's really on the tongue. There's 115 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: nothing hold on, wait wait a little to the left 116 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: and no, there's no heat whatsoever that it doesn't really exist. 117 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a lot of that's a lot of 118 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: melon on the tongue. That's exactly what it is. And 119 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: a finish that's what is that? What is the finish there? 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: That's a good question, you know how sometimes we'll drink 121 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: something and the finish really hits you. This isn't that, 122 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: but does have a little bit of like a wine finish. 123 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: It's subdued, like like like the tannin kind of feel 124 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: on wine and wine is not my expertise at all. 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: My Palt's much better for bourbon and far superior when 126 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: it comes to cigars. 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: Oh that's pleasant, that's just nice. You forget sometimes you forget. 128 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, that'll work. You don't have 129 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: to think, you don't have to overdo. But definitely I'm me, 130 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: I like more open, I like that caramel. But this 131 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: is a nice presentation for sure. Actually the finish gets 132 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: now a touch dry. Now that's interesting too. 133 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: They may not have the one hundred and one proof, 134 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: but you know, when you go to a restaurant and 135 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: you want maybe an after dinner bourbon, there's a good 136 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: possibility they'll have Makers Mark. 137 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, a really good possibility. Fingers molloy, the make Go's 138 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: Mark Special proof one on one. Is this in your 139 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: liquor cabin I don't remember you pick this up, but 140 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I've got an MSRP on this at about forty one 141 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: forty two dollars. 142 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: I think I spent thirty five of on it, thirty 143 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: five all day. 144 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: There's no question. It just goes in the liquor cabinet 145 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: and easy. And you want to use it for an 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: old fashion which would be kind of interesting because it's melon, 147 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: and then you're adding the you know, the cherry there 148 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: would be interesting that modeling, and you're adding some of 149 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: the citrus fruit, but the the the thirty five dollars. Yes, 150 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: it's just a it's just a guaranteed, no question gonna work. 151 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: Glad you have it. Yes, people want to get all 152 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: special and think that they got to find the most 153 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: esoteric and odd thing. No classics work, maker's mark works, 154 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: really really does. This is in your liquor cabinet. Absolutely, 155 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: and it is, by the way, in the liquor cabinet. 156 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: We are now in the place where we can't trust 157 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: anything anymore. And I gotta tell you it's annoying. And 158 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: we've discussed this before, but I'll bring it up again. 159 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this many recalls in your entire life? 160 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Fingers Maloy, I don't recall. Well, look what he did, 161 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: look at him. We didn't even rehearse that or nothing. 162 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: And it shows Ze Drink Smoke. That was funny on 163 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: Tony Katz. That's fingers. Will I find it all at 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: Eat Drinks Smoke Show dot com. Our books Let's Go Bourbon, 165 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: Let's Go Barbecue, Let's Go Bbq. They're available at Amazon 166 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: dot com. Great Christmas Gifts, Great Honukah gifts. Get them now, 167 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: let's go bourbon and let's go barbecue. Totally safe. 168 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: By the way, no possibility of those two books being recalled. 169 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. One point five million bags of shredded cheese 170 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: sold at Ald, Walmart and Target have been recalled. There 171 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: was my weekend. First of all, I want to say 172 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: for the record, that is a tremendous amount of cheese. 173 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: So the USDA issuing this urgent update about a mass recall. 174 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: The Great Lakes Cheese Company of Hirom, Ohio issued a 175 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: voluntary recall back on October third over possible contemn nation 176 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: of metal fragments. What this happens a lot. December first 177 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: comes and the FDA reclassifies the recall risk to Class one, 178 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: so it may cause temporary or medically reversible adverse health consequences. Oh, 179 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: that's just not the kind of word to you. Anytime 180 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: you hear health consequences, you know you don't want this. 181 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: Five different varieties sold under dozens of brand names, Target, Walmart, Aldi, 182 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: US and Puerto Rico. And we got to post this 183 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: over at the Drink Smoke Show dot com. Borden, Brookshire, 184 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: Cachet Valley, Chestnut Hill. It's all the same cheese, Coburn Farms, Food, 185 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: Lion Food, Club Good and Gathered. I think that's the 186 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: target brand right there, Great Lakes Cheese, Happy Farms AGB, 187 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: which is a suit supermarket. It goes on and not Lucerne. 188 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Is there Public Shredded low moisture part skim Matzarell Shooks, 189 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: which is a Midwest supermarket, Sprouts Stater Brothers. I haven't 190 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: heard State of Brothers in a while, and that's just 191 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: one of them. There seems to be a recall now. 192 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: Sometimes the recall is stupid. It's like when Costco has 193 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: to recall butter because for some reason the label doesn't 194 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: say contains milk, and you realize, oh, civilization is over. 195 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: It's done. Is it already? Is it already done? I'm 196 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: looking at my fletaman von Reeste watch and my fletaman 197 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: von Ree's time, and that time says society's done right here, 198 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: Von reesed ri E s t e von Rees dot com. 199 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: Use my last name, Kats and get your discount. No 200 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: milk in there, No, no nothing but good old fashioned 201 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: time piece. It's gonna last throughout the generations. That was 202 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: such a shameless plug. I feel good about it von 203 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: rees dot com, but it's it's it's everywhere, And so 204 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: the question is are we better at detecting these things 205 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: or are we worse at the manufacturing of these things? Both? 206 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: As you know, Tony, I like to say it all 207 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: the time, Live leftlove that hope floats and everyone is 208 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: terrible at their job. 209 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: But who's responsible for something like this? This isn't the 210 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: machinery and just using it too long and eventually things 211 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: grind off into the provolone. 212 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: There has to be some sort of at the end 213 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: of the line, some sort of quality control, like a 214 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: metal detector. I guess it's come to that. 215 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: You run it under a magnet and if the cheese 216 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: floats up, then you know we got metal in this 217 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: one right here. This is. 218 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: It's disheartening because, like you said, it feels like we 219 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: are getting these notices of food recalls. Every week there's 220 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: a new one, and they aren't small. It seems like 221 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: they're always huge recalls. And the question needs to be asked, 222 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Like you said, is it that we're getting better at this? 223 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: Is it that information is getting out there and people 224 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: are paying more attention to this, and then they're confronted 225 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: because it's on these announcements are made and the next 226 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: thing you know, it's on social media all over the place, 227 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: where before you just have to read it in a 228 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: newspaper or you're here on the radio on TV. Or 229 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: is it the fact that we're having more of these 230 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: because you know, every company is trying to cut costs, 231 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 2: trying to figure out ways to not spend as much 232 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: money making the product because things are getting more expensive 233 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: that maybe some quality control, some people are getting cut 234 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: out of that department, and we're seeing more and more 235 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: of these recallss. We could sit here and speculate till 236 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: the cows come home and make cheese. Having said that, 237 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: though this is depressing, you can't even trust cheese anymore, 238 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: Tony Cheese. 239 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: There was a milk recall in the Midwest last week. 240 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: I believe it was. It is there's there's this there's 241 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: a concern that I have about what it is that 242 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: we're seeing. You know, there's a it's a story about Boeing, right, 243 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: and how they're supposed to be this certain material they use, 244 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: this liquid they use when they're seating the doors on 245 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: an airplane, and they didn't have that that special liquid, 246 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: so they used dog dish soup. That's no, no, no, 247 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: it's not what you do. And then of course things 248 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: like doors falling off mid flight, et cetera. So you 249 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: can argue that everyone's terrible at their job. But I 250 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: think the greater, the greater question is what made them terrible? 251 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: Things peaked and then fell, and I think that's the 252 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: way people feel that it fell, that the that the 253 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: idea of of of valve you and the idea of 254 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: standards has fallen. Now that isn't true all over the place. 255 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: There's still tremendous growth, for example in the United States, 256 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: and there's there's creation, and it happens in medical and 257 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: it happens, for example, what the consane investment in AI. 258 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: No matter where you are with artificial intelligence, but there's 259 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: this real feeling that it's like quickserve outside of Chick 260 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: fil A. Do you ever feel like you're getting service? 261 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: And when you do, aren't you amazed? Aren't you just 262 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: so shocked? Well, thank you, my gosh, you didn't spit 263 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: my drink. You actually looked me in the eye. You 264 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: knew how to make change. It's a maybe America is 265 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: saved right here, but it is this feeling of the 266 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: best moment peaked, and we talk often about generations and where. 267 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: For example, we spoke about housing the other day and 268 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: the lack of affordable housing, and I made the argument 269 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: that affordable housing if you if you are a first 270 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: time home buyer and you've decided you need thirty five 271 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: hundred square feet and granite countertops, you're the problem. And 272 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: you said, and I've been thinking about it, that the 273 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: problem is is that the home builder is not incentivized 274 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: to build the one hundred and eighty two thousand, two 275 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen thousand dollars house. They're incentivized to build 276 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the five six, seven hundred thousand dollars house. There are 277 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: no new homes to buy. And then there's a whole 278 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: other conversation, but culturally about that. But it's it's to 279 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: the idea of the things that the natural progression of 280 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: things isn't progressing. Now, maybe that's a growing pain of 281 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: a society, Maybe that's what it is. But certainly the 282 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: growing pain that we're in stinks because the decline part 283 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: just food safety, the decline part is frightening and disappointing. 284 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: I would love to know, you know, how the metal 285 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: got into the cheese. Was it the shredding process? Have 286 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: something before that? Do you buy shreaded cheese or do 287 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: you always buy the block and shread it yourself? 288 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: No, I bought shredded cheese, right. It depends on what 289 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: it's for sure. 290 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: Isn't there some kind of like anti caking compound that 291 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: they put in the shredded cheese that's not supposed to 292 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: be good for you? 293 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: Isn't it that what's going on? I swear to you 294 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: right now, Fingers, so help me God. If you ruin 295 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: shredded cheese for me, this will be your last show. 296 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: What do I know? Just a cave man. I'm take 297 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: food advice from you. Eat, drink smoking? Is is your cigar 298 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: bourbon food extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz. That is Fingers molloy. 299 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: We are smoking the battle Born. This is from Ernesto 300 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: Perez Carreo or ep Coreo. This is their ode to 301 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: the military. Was done in conjunction with one of their 302 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: employees who spent twenty years in the US military. Six 303 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: by fifty six Cigar Connecticut Broad Relief. That double binder 304 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: with the Mexican sign andreas nice stick, easy easy smoke, 305 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: not the prettiest cigar, but a nice, easy smoke. But 306 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: they said, everyone says, oh, it's a full bodied cigar. 307 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: No it is not. That is a medium with a 308 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: little bit of a kick, and that's fine. It is 309 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: what it is. It doesn't play in too many notes. 310 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: It smokes very well. It smokes very nice. I'm not 311 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: down for it for twenty three bucks, but I will 312 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: say this your job. I mean, we've been taking our 313 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: time with the show today. You are just about done. Yeah, 314 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: it's been a good cigar, man, it has. It's been 315 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: really solid. 316 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: You know that that it's tobacco, that tobacco forward, very 317 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: rich tobacco. It is not as spicy as I thought 318 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: it was going to be. Getting a little bit of chocolate, 319 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: some wood throughout the smoke. It has been, you know, 320 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: very low maintenance. Really haven't had to touch it up 321 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: at first. The draw was a little tight, but that 322 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: went away very quickly, Very very happy with it. Okay, 323 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: the price, we've already touched on it. Twenty three dollars 324 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: a stick, so it's a little higher than I would 325 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: like for this. But when you factor in that, you know, 326 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: some of it is going to a good cause, then 327 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: it's like okay, I. 328 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: Believe it like called Fisherhouse Foundation, and both fingers and 329 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: I felt that the cigar was dry when we touched it. 330 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Was something wrong with my humid or what have you. 331 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: The instinct might be, well, I gotta I gotta kind 332 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: of break it up a little bit and loosen it 333 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: up a little bit. You don't know what you need 334 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: to do until you're smoking it. Don't prejudge it. Light it, huff, 335 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: see how it goes. It has been a very good draw. 336 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: It has been easy to work with this ep creo. 337 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: The battle Born also knows the battle Born warriors. They 338 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: refer to this size as the warrior size. So battle 339 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Born Warriors check that out for yourself. And we're drinking 340 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: the Maker's Mark special Proof one on one, one hundred 341 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: and one proof. And I've got a cube right here. 342 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: It's been melting. We're gonna move mine to it. A 343 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: little bit of melon there was on the on the 344 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: on the pallet, Uh oh right, I just poured it 345 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: into the one thing. Let's put the cube in that. 346 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: I had a little thing for my cube right there, nice, 347 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: nice easy bourbon, not too much caramel, not too much oak, 348 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: but a basic thirty five forty bucks before the bottle. 349 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: You added a little bit of water. Tors Uh, No, 350 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: you didn't know. I forgot to get your water. That's okay, 351 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: that's all right. I'm just gonna bring it to a cube. 352 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: There he goes. He's going in, ladies and gentlemen, he 353 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: is doing these. I gonna swish on the cue. Now, 354 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: I said, there was a little bit more heat on 355 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: this than I thought. The heat is down, and the 356 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: cube gave it a little bit of syrupy. So water 357 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: brings down the proof. It's the only thing that can 358 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: bring down the proof. And then water will change the complexion. 359 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: Some flavors more pronounced, some flavors will be more diminished. 360 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: It added a little bit of syrupiness to this. That's 361 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: pretty groovy. That's pretty groovy. It also added a little 362 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: you get a little more let's say, there's a little 363 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: more oak going on. That's I can work with that, okay. 364 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: And as I as I stated, you know, it's just 365 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you need a basic you should not shy away from. 366 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: Oh it's maker's mark. Oh I would. That's for amateurs. 367 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: That's where beginner screw that. It's very very good juice. 368 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go in again. You're going in again, 369 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: Joe my day. He just finished it. He just finished it. 370 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: You know. 371 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: When you take the whole shot like that, Yeah, you 372 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: notice there's a lot more oak and not much else. 373 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: Well, and you just throw it back. 374 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: Man, I have not seen you do that in a while. 375 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: Has it been a day, It's been a year, It's 376 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: been a year. I'm really looking forward to New Year's Eve, 377 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: New Year's Day, bringing in a new year, twenty twenty six. 378 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: With each drink smoke Nation, I think we're gonna have 379 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: a lot of exciting things coming up in the new year. 380 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 2: And it's a time to rejuvenate, time to make resolutions 381 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: and and and not follow through on them. It's it's 382 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: very exciting. 383 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Are you just desperately clinging onto something? So there's still hope? Tony? 384 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: I resent that people who know me call me fingers 385 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: glass half full malloy, that's. 386 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: What they call you, Yes, that's what they call you. Yeah, Johnny, 387 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: good news. What's in your glass right now? It's it's 388 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: it's fully empty. 389 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah right, oh wow, well you just you just dropped 390 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: a three megaton truth bomb there. 391 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: That's what you did. The Maker's Mark Special proof one 392 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: on one, definitely in the in the liquor cabinet and 393 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: this the battle Born from ep Korea. That price is 394 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: hard for this cigar. That price is twenty three dollars 395 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: is difficult. It does go to a good cause. Portion 396 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: of proceeds go to Fisher House Foundation. So does that 397 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: to get the heart strings? Three dollars is a bit high? 398 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: But that does? Man, I mean this, I could see 399 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: this moving people and working for people to try. Sure, sure, 400 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: I appreciate the effort here. They've been doing some really 401 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: really good stuff. The Encore, I think is a great smoke. 402 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Many we were in Vegas last we had the Pledge 403 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: and the Allegiance, two different cigars that they do. I 404 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: liked the Pledge. I was not a fan of the Allegiance, 405 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. 406 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: But the Encore, Oh, Daddy, Like I'm always amazed because 407 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: people ask me all the time about, you know, the 408 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: show behind the scenes stuff, Like I always freely admit 409 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: that I'm a cigar fan. But you have a real 410 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: passion for cigars. The fact that you can remember that stuff. 411 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: It's been almost two years since we were at we 412 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 2: were at the Four Queens, yes exactly, and that's where 413 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: you had that cigar. Yes, you remember that. 414 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: I remember that. I was. I was sufficiently disappointed in 415 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: the allegiance. And I'm like, I don't know why, because 416 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: I had the one that's called the Pledge. I'm like 417 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: the this was very very good, and then I had 418 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: the encoret. I actually have some more excellent, excellent, excellent smoke, 419 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: and so it's possible that I just it was me. 420 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: And that's why we always discuss when you're smoking a cigar, 421 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: you gotta smoke it again. You don't know what, you 422 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: don't know. A million things could be wrong. First, the 423 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: cigar itself could have a problem. These are hand rolled products. 424 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: Something could be off. It could be you. What did 425 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: you eat, what did you drink? The weather, the mood, 426 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: how tired are you? What else is going on with you? 427 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: Were you coming down with the cold? Are you getting 428 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: off of colder? Were you not even aware something was 429 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: happening where you had? Did you have an imbalance? Everything 430 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: is possible. So that's why you got to go back 431 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: and you got to do it again. You can't have 432 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: one to be like, I'm never touching that again. This 433 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: is not tequila. When you were in college, This is 434 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: the art is worth giving it your time. It really 435 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: and truly is so. Yeah, yes, I do remember, you 436 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: remember things like you you have. I remember the steak 437 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: at the Four Queens. Ah. Yes, you go, sellar, you 438 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: go sellar. Now we have had we have had good steaks. 439 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: We've had steaks in Des Moines together, which I think 440 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: is I mean, no offense to to the Peter Lugers 441 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: crowd or the late great Sammi Romanian Steakhouse in New York, 442 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: which was one of the most insane places I've ever 443 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: eaten ever. Adawan Chop House des Moines, Iowa might be 444 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: the best steakhouse in America. And it's been a lot 445 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: of years, but Fingers and I did the Iowa Caucuses there. 446 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: We went in winter. We drove out from Indianapolis and 447 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: we stayed in in Des Moines and went and followed 448 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: these politicos and we're reporting back on it and went 449 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: to eat at adah One Chop House and it's like 450 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: the whole staff from Fox is over there, and everybody 451 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: from NBC has ever broke CAUs over there. This was 452 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: twenty This was like a decade ago, twenty sixteen. Yeah, 453 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: so it was just just cuckoo crazy stuff. Yeah, it 454 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: was a decade ago, and then and then you sit 455 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: down to what really this? It was probably it's probably 456 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: the best day cause I've ever been to. It's crazy. 457 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: I had a slab of prime rip had to have 458 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: been eighty four ounces. It was just the size of 459 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: my torso, and I didn't want to order it. Tony 460 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: made me. He said, listen, you gotta do this. There's 461 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: no way I'm going to eat this, not in a millionaires. 462 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: And there's a picture of me looking at this huge 463 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: piece of meat and you could see the expression on 464 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: my face basically how I get myself? 465 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: He looks at a young Sally Field. Sally Field. 466 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: So for those of you keeping score at home, we've 467 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: done Jack, Benny and a Sally Field reference today. 468 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: I didn't bring it up from the Gidget days. I 469 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: just said sally Field. Now, Gidget's a good reference is 470 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: gidgets world class? Oh eight on one chop house? Where's 471 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: your favorite steakhouse? We'll go pay a visit. Which reminds me. 472 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: You need to talk about Memphis fingers maloy. Two words 473 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: for you. Road trip where we're going to Memphis. Outstanding drink, smoke, 474 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. That is Fingers Maloy find everything at 475 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: Eat Drink Smoke. That's where you get the podcast at 476 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: E Drink Smoke show dot com. I'm on the social media, 477 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: is on the Twitter ex at Tony Katz and I 478 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 1: was discussing something that was happening here in our beloved Indiana, 479 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: something political, and and this guy was commenting. I commented back, 480 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: and I noticed he had an interesting link in his 481 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: in his bio. I click the link and it goes to, uh, 482 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: this company he owns and his name is Barry at 483 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: at a out of Memphis where you can listen on 484 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: k W A M. And I guess it's it's it's 485 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: this company he has and it's kind of like holding 486 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: company for all these different things that he does. And 487 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: what is one of the things he does, King Jerry 488 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: Lawler's Memphis Barbecue Company. We're talking about the wrestler, Jerry Lawler, 489 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: King Jerry Lawler's Barbecue. Fingers pack the car. I'm excited. 490 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: We're taking a road trip to Memphis and we're gonna 491 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: have ourselves some serious ribs. Now, don't tell my Rabbi 492 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: because it ain't ain't nothing beef there are gonna be 493 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: no beef ribs in Memphis. But we haven't been yet, 494 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: we haven't done that. This is going to happen, Barry, 495 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: if you're listening, someone tell Barry over there at Lawler's 496 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: rib Shack Imporium. That's not the name of it. It's 497 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: King Jerry Lawler's Memphis Barbecue Company. And and we're coming. 498 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: Would you say that they put the barbecue competition in 499 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: Memphis and a sleeperhole? 500 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting? I think that if you have a slab 501 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: of King Jerry Lawler's Memphis Ribs, you can take the turnbuckle, 502 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: no problem. 503 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: I'm very I'm a big Jerry Lawler fan. Are you 504 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: really all back of the old Memphis days when he 505 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: teamed up with Andy Kaufman and they did that whole 506 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: run where Andy Kaufman was wrestling. 507 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: Sure, and then and then the David Letterman most dangerous 508 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: moment in television is Jerry Lawler slapping Andy Kaufman allegedly 509 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: on that show. 510 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: And neither one of them would well, Andy Kaufin said, 511 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: Jerry Lawler dead, Oh gosh, no, no, he's the last 512 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: alive good Man. 513 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: Good Man. So we're road tripping to Memphis, right that's 514 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: where we're gonna get the pork. When it comes to beef, 515 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: we go to Defiance Beef, Defiancebeef dot com right here 516 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: out of Indiana, from the farm directly to you. Twenty 517 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: one day age, the ribbis, the strips. I pulled out 518 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: some strips to make this week, the tenderloins, all of it. 519 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: You ordered the quarter cow, they have cow, the whole cow. 520 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: It comes to you, cut to your specifications. It's so good, 521 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: it is so incredibly good. The flavor is just there, 522 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: that beef flavor. Those things you can't get from the store. 523 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: The cut you can't get from the store. The freshness 524 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: can't get from the store. They age at twenty one days. 525 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Then the phone call comes, Okay, how do you want 526 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: to cut? Do you want this? Do you want that? Flank? Stakes? 527 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: All this, and then it comes to you individually frozen. 528 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: It's done perfectly in dry ice boom right into the 529 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: chest freezer and the rest is history. If you go 530 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: right now to Defiance Beef dot Com and use promo 531 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: code Eat Drink Smoke, you get one hundred and fifty 532 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: dollars off your order. Go to Defiance Beef d E 533 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: F I A N ce defines beef dot com use 534 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: promo code eat drink smoke, get one hundred and fifty 535 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: dollars off your order from Indiana to you defiance beef 536 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: dot com. 537 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: That's another road trip we have to make. Oh gosh, yes, 538 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: all right now it's cold. 539 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh, it'd be warmer in Memphis. That's true, we're going. 540 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm all in. I've never been to Memphis. I've never 541 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: been to Memphis. 542 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: Are we gonna go to Graceland too? Well, we're there. 543 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: The ribs there not as good. You don't know that. Well, 544 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: what can be what can be better than King Jerry 545 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Lawler Barry were coming? You thought I was kidding. I don't. 546 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: I don't care about much. Uh you had a story 547 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: fingers lor. But I'm always amazed. 548 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: At people's behavior, especially completely oblivious to the fact that 549 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: there may be a camera on them. 550 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: There's always a camera on you. 551 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: Everywhere, especially when you're on someone's front porch. 552 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: And if it's not a camera made by man, it's 553 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: the camera of the Lord. Oh wow, take that tear 554 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: tear sleeping. Take that tear sleeping. He says, it's a 555 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: great turn of phrase, that it looked great on a 556 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: bumper sticker. 557 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: The New York Post has the story Tony, a door 558 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: dash driver dropped a chicken wing on the concrete, put 559 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: it back in the box, licks his fingers engross caught 560 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: on camera scene stop. 561 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: I have a question, how did the chicken wing drop? 562 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: So he was pulling it out of you know, they've 563 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: got that door dash sleeve, that little canvas thing with 564 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: a little pouch that they make sure that your food 565 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: stays warm. And so he was pulling all of the 566 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: food out and a boneless wing fell out of the 567 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: box of boneless wings. He decided a quick thinker to 568 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: pick the chicken wing up, put it back in the 569 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: box with the untainted wings, licked his fingers and then 570 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: tried to stamp the sauce stain, just kind of rubbed 571 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: it into the concrete and then walked away. Well, unfortunately 572 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: for this door dass driver in Florida, he was caught 573 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: doing this on a ring camera and now it has 574 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: made national news. The customer was interviewed and says that 575 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: she would like to see more training, and I don't 576 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: know what you could possibly do to basically say don't 577 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: do that. 578 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: See, see this is the problem. More training. This is 579 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: this is not This is not more training. What this 580 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: means is that we have to bring back the death penalty. 581 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: You know, I used to be a guy absolutely in 582 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: favor of capital punishment, and actually, over time and through consideration, 583 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: I have turned on that and I'm no longer in 584 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: just about every case, I am no longer in favor 585 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: of capital punishment. U this term me right around jail, jail, 586 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: hard labor. We North Korean prison camp look like summer camp. 587 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: There there isn't there isn't enough because in every part 588 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: of this there is such a failure of decency, rationality, 589 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: and humanity that we have to call a time out 590 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: and set everybody straight. 591 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: I just don't know what goes through a person's mind 592 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: that forget that you could possibly be on camera, just 593 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: the idea that even if you're not on camera, you 594 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 2: don't behave this way. 595 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: You just don't behave this way. You don't do this. 596 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: You knock on the door and you apologize, you say, listen, 597 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. One of your wings dropped out onto the concrete. 598 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: I picked it up. It was delicious, Uh, and then 599 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: that's the end of it. 600 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: Or do you have a waste paper basket where I 601 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: could throw this out. You know what, take a little 602 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 2: off the tip. Instead of ten wings, you've got nine wings. 603 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 2: I apologize. Instead of trying to cover your tracks because 604 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: accidents happen, you would much be much more appreciative if 605 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: a door dash driver said, listen, I screwed up. I'm sorry, 606 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: I dropped a wing instead of this wing gate is 607 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 2: what people are calling it now. This this this total 608 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: cover up. I don't think you understand death penalty. 609 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: But he has to go to jail because what he 610 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: did was try and poison. Was pick the word another person. Yeah, 611 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't know what's on the ground. He put it back. Sorry, 612 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: that's the crime. 613 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 2: Here's I will throw this out there because you know 614 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 2: why not. I never blame the victim. Ever, boneless wings 615 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: does does that person take a little responsibility for if 616 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 2: if it were a drumstick, maybe it doesn't fall out 617 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: of the package. That's all I'm saying. That's not No, 618 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 2: that's not what I'm saying. No, you don't know. 619 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: You tried, and God bless you for they aren't wings, 620 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: by the way, they're nuggets. That's true. Boneless wings were 621 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: not wings. That is fact. That is fact. Death penalty, 622 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: labor camp. Certainly jail. Do you prefer the labor camp 623 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: after the death penalty. Yes. The makers mark special proof 624 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: one oh one thirty five to forty bucks a bottle. 625 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely in the liquor cabinet. Dude, you don't need special, 626 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: you don't need fancy, you need good. This will do 627 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: you do you just fine? And the epikoreo. This battle 628 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: born a cigar right here, six by fifty six, a 629 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: nice stick. Definitely give it a shot and supportive of 630 00:36:48,840 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: the troops. This is eat rink smoke fi