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Speaker 5: Here's the snap field and kicks the ball.

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Speaker 6: Indiana will take over the football.

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Speaker 7: It's third down six. Fernando takes it back to throw,

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Speaker 5: You are a legend in this state.

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Speaker 5: Indiana Hoosiers are the undisputed, unblemished Big Ten Football champions

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Speaker 5: Java House Peel and poor guest line and Don, I'm

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Speaker 5: to Kurt Signetti, there was never really a doubt in

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Speaker 5: your mind as to what the ceiling was going to

437
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Speaker 5: be for this team and how impressed you were. But

438
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Speaker 5: if you could for me, Don just summarize, I guess

439
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Speaker 5: the emotion or not just for you, but just for

440
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Speaker 5: that building and for that fan base of seeing it

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Speaker 5: all collectively come together on what was literally an unbelievably

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Speaker 5: special night at Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Speaker 11: Well, the culmination, of course, was the third down pass

444
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Speaker 11: that Fernando Mendoza through to Charlie Becker, who made a

445
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 11: terrific catch and the throw was perfect. At that point,

446
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Speaker 11: you knew this game was going to belong to Indiana.

447
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Speaker 11: And I have my twin brother in Salt Lake City

448
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Speaker 11: calls me up the next day and says.

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Speaker 2: You guys are a little bit too giddy there at

450
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Speaker 2: the last minute and a half. Something could have happened.

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Speaker 11: I said, no, it can't, because Signetti is our coach,

452
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Speaker 11: and at any rate, I can just tell you from

453
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Speaker 11: my perspective, of course, hugely emotional ballgame, a great win

454
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Speaker 11: for Indiana Athletics, but more importantly a tremendous win for

455
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Speaker 11: the Hoosier Nation. A group of people, and I'm not

456
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Speaker 11: talking about everybody that's jumped on board here in the

457
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Speaker 11: last you know, a couple of years now. I'm talking

458
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Speaker 11: about the people who bought season tickets for year after

459
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Speaker 11: year after year back in the sixties and the seventies

460
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Speaker 11: and the eighties and nineties. The two thousands people who

461
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Speaker 11: have been coming in they out of football games forever,

462
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Speaker 11: and for me, those are the people that And I'm

463
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Speaker 11: not saying that the people who have jumped on board

464
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Speaker 11: shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 2: They should be there.

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Speaker 11: But my point is the people that have gone through

467
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Speaker 11: this for all these years and the struggles that Indiana

468
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Speaker 11: football has had. That to me is the most important

469
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Speaker 11: faction of folks that I want to think and stay

470
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Speaker 11: of hanging in there and staying with us and going

471
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Speaker 11: through all of what we've gone through and still continue

472
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Speaker 11: to buy tickets and spend the money that it took

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Speaker 11: to put to watch football at Indiana and a support

474
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Speaker 11: football at Indiana. And those are the people that I

475
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Speaker 11: feel the best for.

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Speaker 5: Don you know, Bill Benner's going to join me coming

477
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Speaker 5: up in about an hour. I mean, he's a guy

478
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 5: that sat through countless numbers of sleet storms watching Lorenzo

479
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 5: White run for two hundred and sixty yards. And you know,

480
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 5: I mean on and on right, I mean right, And

481
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Speaker 5: it's those folks, right. And I think also about and

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Speaker 5: I'd mentioned this on Friday, and you and I've talked

483
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Speaker 5: about this. You know, Terry Hepner was a guy that

484
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Speaker 5: took that Indiana job and had this belief of kind

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Speaker 5: of what Kurt Signetti has delivered. And I don't mean

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Speaker 5: that to say one is that, you know, I mean

487
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Speaker 5: they're two separate men. I understand that, But but Hepner

488
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Speaker 5: had this belief of like, no, this is where this

489
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: program could go. And I think most of us probably

490
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Speaker 5: thought he was a little bit crazy back then, and

491
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Speaker 5: then unfortunately he got sick and he never got a

492
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Speaker 5: chance to see it to fruition and I'm watching that

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Speaker 5: on Saturday night. And that's what made me so happy

494
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Speaker 5: for Kurt Signetti was the fact that here's a guy

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Speaker 5: that came in with his own also his own vision

496
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Speaker 5: and his delivery of his own vision. But it was

497
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Speaker 5: parallel with that vision and belief that we had seen

498
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Speaker 5: preview of before and I never thought i'd see it, Don,

499
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Speaker 5: But that, to me is what made it so special

500
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 5: was the number of people there and there were those

501
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Speaker 5: people that believed that was possible. And even still, I'm

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Speaker 5: not gonna lie to you, Don, when you said unbelievable,

503
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: I thought to myself, no, I still don't believe it, right,

504
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean, it was that incredible.

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Speaker 2: It was there's no question about it.

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Speaker 11: And look all I can tell you, and you're right

507
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 11: about Terry Hefner. He knew he could get this program

508
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 11: turned around, and he never got that opportunity because of

509
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 11: the glioblastoma cancer that he suffered brain tumor and died

510
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 11: in June, after his second season. And to me, that's

511
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 11: heartbreaking because and I know his son, Drew was at

512
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 11: the ballgame on Saturday, and my wife told me about

513
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 11: it yesterday, and I started blubbering because I.

514
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Speaker 2: When I think of Terry Hepner, all I can do

515
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: is get emotional.

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Speaker 5: Well, I know what he meant to you, don I

517
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: mean I don't. I wasn't there firsthand, but you can

518
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 5: hear it. And I think that for those that don't know,

519
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: anybody that was around him would understand why you feel

520
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 5: that way? Right? And I feel like yeah, And it's

521
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 5: like Kurt Signetti walks and exudes the energy and the

522
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 5: confidence that Terry Hepner tried to introduce to people. That's

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Speaker 5: the best way I can say it. If that makes sense, No.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. It makes perfect sense. And that's the

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Speaker 2: way to put it because.

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Speaker 11: Hep was a guy that believed in Indiana football and

527
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Speaker 11: I know he knows he could have turned it around,

528
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Speaker 11: and he would have done it had he lived, but

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Speaker 11: he did not. And Kurt Signetti has followed whatever his

530
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 11: vision was, whatever vision that Terry had, he's fottled that up.

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Speaker 11: And you put it perfectly. That's exactly the way I

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Speaker 11: feel about.

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Speaker 5: It, Don, when you look at you know, I thought

534
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Speaker 5: it was interesting after the game, Don, the voice of

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Speaker 5: the Hoosiers is our guest Joba House peeling, poor guest

536
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: line when when Kurt Signetti said, and he kind of

537
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: flippantly said it, which I enjoyed, but he said, you know,

538
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: now I got two weeks to get these guys to

539
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Speaker 5: turn around and refocus. And yeah, I had to laugh

540
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 5: because I thought to myself, I don't know that I

541
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: have seen a football team that has more in step

542
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: bought into everything his coach said to the point where, yeah,

543
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Speaker 5: I mean, are they going to go in and win

544
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 5: the Rose Bowl? I don't know that. But what I

545
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 5: do know is this, I don't think they're going to

546
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: go in and shoot themselves in the foot and not

547
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 5: show up, because that's just been I mean, you'd be

548
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: an idiot at this point to think anything other than

549
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 5: Indiana is going to go put their best foot forward, right,

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Speaker 5: And you know, were you able to see anything after

551
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: the game and the celebration, et cetera that was any

552
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Speaker 5: different in terms of their standard operating procedure from the

553
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Speaker 5: way he's always done things.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 11: I mean, here's the thing. He did allow his team

556
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 11: to stay out there in the field and celebrate it,

557
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 11: which you would expect that any coach would do that.

558
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 11: And so everything that I saw from Kurtzignetti postgame.

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00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 5: And he had all kinds of.

560
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Speaker 11: Responsibilities with the media. Fox interviewed him, of course, and

561
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 11: of course the Big ten network interviewed him, and he

562
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 11: had to do all these other things involved in that.

563
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 11: But the other thing about that is he took time

564
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Speaker 11: at the very I mean, we were on the air

565
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 11: for about forty five minutes after the game. We're usually

566
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 11: about twenty minutes after a ballgame in normal circumstances. It

567
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 11: was at least forty five, maybe fifty minutes that we

568
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 11: were still on the air after the ballgame was over with.

569
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 11: And he finally got to us, and I knew he

570
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 11: would if he had the time, if he had the opportunity,

571
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Speaker 11: And he finally got to us and got to talk

572
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 11: to our people on the air, and who's your nation,

573
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 11: so to speak, that listens on the radio. So I

574
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 11: just think the guy is first class in every way.

575
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Speaker 11: He's the greatest coach I've ever been around in the

576
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 11: sense of what he's accomplished, and without doubt, I think

577
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Speaker 11: this is a phenomenal for Indiana football that we've never

578
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 11: seen before. It's historic in every way, and it's a

579
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 11: renaissance for the program. And without question, I can't wait

580
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 11: for the rest of this season to fill itself out

581
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 11: because I think I think fans are going to be

582
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 11: just as excited about what we're about to see in

583
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 11: the college football playoff as they were through this twelve

584
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 11: wins season.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny, don when people say, you know,

586
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: is so and so the best player of the century,

587
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: and you think, oh, gosh, I forget we're only a

588
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: quarter the way through this century, right. I mean when

589
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: I think century, I still think the nineteen hundreds.

590
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 12: Right.

591
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: What he's done is I don't care whether you're talking

592
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: nineteen hundreds or two thousands. It's the greatest college football

593
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: coaching job I've ever I think anybody walking the planet

594
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 5: right now has ever seen We've never seen anything like this. Now,

595
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 5: having said all of that, do you feel done that

596
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: there is still that there are still wrinkles to this

597
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 5: football team that can be presented, or new looks that

598
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 5: they can come up with for the playoffs, or are

599
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: they at the point now of this is who we are,

600
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Speaker 5: this is what we do, and we're confident in the

601
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 5: way we do it, and we don't need to readjust

602
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: game plans.

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Speaker 11: Well, every game plan needs to be adjusted, there's no

604
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 11: doubt about that because of who you're playing, so that

605
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 11: factors into it. But here's the thing. It's not going

606
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 11: to change philosophically and it's not going to change process

607
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 11: wise for this Indiana football team.

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Speaker 2: That's just a fact. He's been like this since he's.

609
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 11: Gotten here, and I trust everything that he does in

610
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Speaker 11: that sense. His game plans are ridiculously good. And I

611
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 11: say that because I'll tell you who I thought was

612
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 11: the best offensive coordinator Indiana's ever had, and that was

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Speaker 11: Kaylin de Boor. Now how long ago was that? Not

614
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 11: that long ago? Right, But here's the thing about Kaylen

615
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 11: de Boor. He did a tremendous job here at Indiana

616
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 11: in one season, the COVID season with Michael Pennix, and

617
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 11: what he produced to that year was astonishing to me

618
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 11: because I thought, this guy really knows what he's doing.

619
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Speaker 11: And I still think that Kaylen de Boor is a

620
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 11: great football coach and he's getting all kinds of guff

621
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 11: at Alabama from the fan base because they've lost three times.

622
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 11: That kind of thing, and the fact that they made

623
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 11: the college football Playoff is in a lot of people's

624
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 11: minds is very very I don't know what the right

625
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 11: word would be, but a lot of people would say

626
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 11: they don't deserve to be there. I don't know if

627
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 11: they should or not, but I will say this that

628
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 11: Indiana is capable of beating anybody they play in this

629
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 11: college football playoff because Kurt Signetti's that good.

630
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: And if we played.

631
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Speaker 11: Kylen de boor or if we played Kirby Smart or

632
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 11: whoever the coach is, I will not take anything away

633
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 11: from Kurt Signetti's ability to dominate that football game with

634
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 11: his thinking process and how he goes about things. The

635
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 11: only way Indiana is going to get beat in this

636
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 11: college football playoff in my mind, because the other team

637
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 11: has more talent, because Indiana's talent is not what it

638
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 11: is to some of these programs, but the coaching is

639
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 11: beyond it.

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00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: Don I got a kick out of it. I got

641
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 5: a good buddy of mine went to James Madison, and

642
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: you know, James Madison obviously got into the college football

643
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 5: plaoff as well, and he sent me a text that said,

644
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 5: it's great to be a JAMU fan because we have

645
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 5: two teams in the Big in the College Football playoff,

646
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: you know, after the Big Ten title game, because you know,

647
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: obviously some of the great players that say and that's

648
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: to me, that's such a tribute to Kurt Signetti because

649
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 5: when you look at players that started at James Madison

650
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Speaker 5: and now they're beating all you know, their key players

651
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 5: in beating Ohio State for crying out loud in the

652
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 5: Big Ten title game, and so much of that just

653
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Speaker 5: comes down to coaching belief, all the things we've talked about.

654
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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you this, you had the ability

655
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Speaker 5: and you did both games, which was I mean, you

656
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 5: are the You're the lou garig right, You're the iron

657
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 5: horse of broadcasting. Because you did both games on Saturday,

658
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 5: you should probably have some sort of a throat lows

659
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: and endorsement. But but I will for those that don't know,

660
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 5: don and I got to give you that the ultimate

661
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: tip of the cap because people will say, well did

662
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 5: his voice hold out? That is mentally exhausting. I mean,

663
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 5: honestly doing broadcasting for that long and having to move

664
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 5: that quickly for those for games back to back is unbelievable.

665
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: Having said that, in doing basketball and football, you have

666
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: seen two legendary coaches India a lot of coaches, but

667
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 5: two legendary ones and Bob Knight and kurtz Signetti. The

668
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: reason I bring it up, Bob Knight was a coach

669
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 5: that when you went into a game, you thought to yourself,

670
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: the other team might have players, but they're not going

671
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 5: to be more prepared than Indiana. From an x's and

672
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 5: o's standpoint, the personalities aside, do you ever see or

673
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: feel similarity in terms of listening to the coaches in

674
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Speaker 5: terms of their preparation talk between those two guys that

675
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Speaker 5: you've had to do so many pregame shows with.

676
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Speaker 11: Well, no, I don't see a difference. Coach Knight was

677
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 11: demanding on players of basically anybody in his program. Wasn't

678
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 11: emitting those people to be what they should be and

679
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 11: what they can be. That kind of thing you get

680
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 11: the same thing from Kurt Signetti. He hires the right people,

681
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Speaker 11: number one, because he vets them all. He knows who

682
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 11: they are before they get there, and he knows what

683
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 11: he's going to get from those people and they produce

684
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Speaker 11: for him. And that's the trust he has and the

685
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 11: people that he gets because he, like I said, he

686
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 11: vets everybody that's in the program. So and Bob Knight

687
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 11: did exactly the same thing. He wanted guys that were

688
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 11: going to buy into his philosophy, his thoughts, how to

689
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 11: play the game, those kinds of things. He did it

690
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 11: with players, he did it with coaches, He did it

691
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 11: with the people that he surrounded himself with. So, yeah,

692
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 11: they are so much alike in that vein. They are

693
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 11: totally different personalities. And I say totally different only from

694
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 11: the standpoint that coach Nias everybody knows was so controversial

695
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 11: and so many different ways. And Kurt Signetti, I don't

696
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 11: think is in that context. His personality is different in

697
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 11: that way Noll he handles players is different than what

698
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Speaker 11: Bob did. That's not a negative on either guy. It's

699
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 11: just the way it was at the time that they

700
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 11: were coaching and has been. So those kinds of things

701
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 11: change over the years, too, but they never I don't

702
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 11: think they ever changed with coach Knight and with coach

703
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 11: Signetti after his twenty six I think it was twenty

704
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 11: six years he was an assistant and learned a lot

705
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 11: of things from a lot of different coaches, and then

706
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 11: got his own programs at Indiana Rivers to Pennsylvania and

707
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 11: then Elon and that of course James Madison and now Indiana.

708
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 11: He doesn't vary from it, and in his philosophy and

709
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 11: his thinking process and how he goes about running the

710
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 11: program is as good as I've ever seen. And it's

711
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 11: simply so, very again, very simply like a lot of

712
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 11: what Bob Knight did, because he ran the program the

713
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 11: way he thought it should be run and it was

714
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 11: hugely successful.

715
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Speaker 2: And vice versa with Kurt Signetti.

716
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Speaker 5: Okay, lastly, Don, I wanted to ask you this. There

717
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 5: were a lot of people, understandably and rightly so person

718
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: being one of them, it talked about how happy they

719
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 5: were for Don Fisher to see that moment on Saturday Night.

720
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: So I'd like Don Fisher to say what individual or individuals.

721
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 5: I realize the fan base in general is all encompassing,

722
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 5: but was there anybody specifically that you thought of as

723
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 5: that game was ending that you thought to yourself, that's

724
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 5: who I'm happy for.

725
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 11: Well again, and there's no individual.

726
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: That I thought about that for I thought about that.

727
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: For the Who'sier Nation? I really did.

728
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 11: I wanted this program to take off at some point

729
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 11: football wise, and even when it got started early and

730
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 11: looked like it might change, it has not. In all

731
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 11: those years, and that there have been a humongous number

732
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 11: of people coaches that I've enjoyed immensely at Indiana, Guys

733
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 11: that I had the greatest amount of respect for, Obviously

734
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 11: Bill Mallory and Bill Lynch and Terry Hepner and those

735
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 11: type of people. I loved all those people. They were

736
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 11: just great folks and they were really good coaches. They

737
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 11: just didn't hit it at the right time, and unfortunately

738
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Speaker 11: for all of us, Who's Your Nation suffered because of that,

739
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 11: And now it's changed completely. And that's why I'm really

740
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 11: happy for the entire Hoo's Your Nation because these people

741
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 11: have gone through a lot over the years.

742
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 5: Well, don for the Who's Your Nation? You've been the

743
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 5: town crier for many years and that was more crying

744
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 5: probably than actual town bugle blowing. But so the time

745
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: is now and celebrate it and enjoy it. And January first,

746
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 5: at four o'clock, you will be calling a college football

747
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 5: playoff game in the Rose Bowl for the Indiana Hoosiers,

748
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 5: and we certainly look forward to it. I always appreciate

749
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 5: the time, Don, and I certainly hope you were able

750
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Speaker 5: to continue to enjoy what took place on Saturday.

751
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Speaker 2: Absolutely appreciate it.

752
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Speaker 5: Thanks ja Don Fisher joining us. The voice of the

753
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 5: Hoosiers will come back Mike Chapel in about twelve minutes.

754
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 5: There is one thing I wanted to play for you

755
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 5: that I heard after the game on Saturday, and right

756
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 5: then I just went, that's it. That's the reason. I'll

757
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: let you hear it next by Chapel by eight minutes

758
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 5: from now. So after the Indiana game, I saw this

759
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 5: clip and I said to myself, this is it right here,

760
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: This is how and why when you think about football

761
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 5: coaches and you think like, oh, okay, you know, their

762
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 5: job is to go out there and they come up

763
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: with the game plan. And then they're on the sidelines

764
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 5: and they're crouched over and their hands on the knees

765
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 5: and they're watching the game and they're figuring out what's

766
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: going to go on. And Kurt Signette's got that little

767
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 5: notepad and he's doing all that and like, what in

768
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: the world is he doing? Kurt Signetti was asked about

769
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: the Indiana situation on third down and the pastor Charlie

770
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 5: Becker with just over two and a half minutes to

771
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 5: go in the game, and listen to what he said

772
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 5: in his explanation on Indiana going all out on that play.

773
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 10: When we started to drive, they had time and timeouts,

774
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 10: you know, enough time with their timeouts for about sixteen

775
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 10: plays at the start of our drive and then they

776
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 10: use their timeouts, and that you know, I wasn't going

777
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 10: to play not to lose. We were playing to win.

778
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 10: And the one thing, you know, we do spend a

779
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 10: lot of time on the clock, how many players are

780
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 10: left in the game, things of that nature. We've kind

781
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 10: of figured we had to get about three first downs.

782
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: That's why I full of the team, so you got

783
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: to get a first down.

784
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 10: I wasn't going to punt the ball back to him

785
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 10: with two minutes ago and no timeouts. We had to

786
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 10: give our guys an opportunity to make plays. We are

787
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 10: getting on top of them at certain points in that game,

788
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 10: and Fernando was throwing great deep balls and it was

789
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 10: great play.

790
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: So this guy during the course of a game, when

791
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: everyone else is button down and they're looking at it

792
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 5: and they're like, oh gosh, you know, maybe they should

793
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: run the ball, maybe just past whatever. He has the

794
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: presence of mind in the course of a game to

795
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 5: be able to look at the clock and immediately associate

796
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 5: how many plays in the game are remaining, and to

797
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 5: be able to say this game has sixteen plays left

798
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 5: in it or twenty. Later he went on to say

799
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 5: he thought that that game had twenty plays left in it,

800
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 5: and that he thought if they could have and run

801
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: sixteen of those twenty plays, it would run the clock down.

802
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 5: Most people start thinking clock management with like forty five

803
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 5: seconds left. This guy's doing it with more than two minutes.

804
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 5: That like, with three minutes to go in the game.

805
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 5: He knows to the finite point, give or take a

806
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 5: play or two, how many plays are left in the game.

807
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 5: That is absolute chess. That is chess. And if you

808
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: wonder what it is that he's doing and why he

809
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 5: is brilliant, there is your answer right there.

810
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: I go back to one of his first press conferences, Jake,

811
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: I think I don't know if it was Big ten

812
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: Media Day, I think it was there. They were talking

813
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: about just like IU and how they were picked at

814
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: the bottom and like there was a lot of games

815
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: that would decide by one score. He goes, look at

816
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: my track record, like that's what I do. Like, I

817
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: win these one score games because we spend a lot

818
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: of time researching how to manage the clock, how to

819
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: win games late. And it's just really come to fruition

820
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 3: an Iola against Oregon Penn State, and again on Saturday

821
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: against Ohio. You saw why they win games late in

822
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: these one score possessions.

823
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Speaker 5: I mean I heard that, and I'm like, Okay, that's

824
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 5: that's the behind the scenes nuanced Mike Chapel.

825
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: Next it's Querry in Company. I'm gonna be keeping you

826
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: company for the next few hours. You are not going

827
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: to believe the company.

828
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: This company. You're in a bankrupt your mama's company. At

829
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: least I have the radio to keep me company.

830
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: On ninety three to five and one oh seven five

831
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: the fan, here's.

832
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Speaker 8: An RPO and it's an interception and it's picked off

833
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 8: by Devin Lloyd. Lloyd started right cutting too, has left.

834
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 8: He's going to be chopped down another twenty one yard

835
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 8: line by Josh Downs. Daniel Jones is down. Daniel Jones

836
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 8: can't even make it over to the sideline.

837
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 5: If you looked at he is seated on the.

838
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 9: Turf and he just slams his helmet to the grass

839
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 9: in frustration.

840
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones has an achy lease could be season ending.

841
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 8: I don't have the full details on it, but we'll

842
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 8: get more clarity on that.

843
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: But it's not looking good.

844
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 8: Or inside of the gun bawling the right hash and

845
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 8: he's going to give off right side to etn slashes

846
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 8: inside the thirty.

847
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 5: He's got an avenue. He's going to go down the

848
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: right sideline.

849
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 8: You know the touch in the info for a touchdown untouched.

850
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 8: Final score at EverBank Stadium in Jacksonville, it's the Jacksonville

851
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 8: Jaguars thirty six. At the Indianapolis Colts nineteen. We got

852
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 8: everything we want in front of us, still at eight

853
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 8: like we're you know, we got to go, So we

854
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 8: got to get this thing cleaned up and get ready

855
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 8: for Seattle.

856
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: We got a big one on the road. And that's

857
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: the message right there.

858
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: It is true that everything is still before them. But

859
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 5: for the Colts, do not look in the rear view mirror,

860
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: because now have dropped three in row four of five,

861
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 5: and certainly there are question marks all over the place.

862
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: Some of those questions we will address now with Mike Chapel,

863
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: who joins us on the job house Peel and poor

864
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 5: guest Line Chap of course, with CBS four WXI in

865
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 5: Fox fifty nine, and the dean of Colts Writers chap

866
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Speaker 5: I'm going to begin with we'll start here. Clearly, I

867
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: think we all are under the assumption the understanding that

868
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: we will get confirmation on the Daniel Jones Achilles injury.

869
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 5: And pardon my ignorance on this, having been on the

870
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 5: air for the last hour, has there been any official

871
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: word yet today?

872
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 13: No, it was my understanding. He was supposed to getting

873
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 13: an MRI at noon, and for those of us who've

874
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 13: had MRIs, they take about thirty thirty five minutes and

875
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 13: then I have no idea how long it takes to reading.

876
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 13: But no, but when Shane Stiken said what he said

877
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 13: last night from the podium, I mean, you.

878
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I mean everyone knows that, right.

879
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 13: So confirmation will be you know, the door slamming. But

880
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 13: but this is where they are and it makes this

881
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 13: a perfect storm that didn't turn out well for George Clooney.

882
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 13: If if you saw the movie, I don't know, I

883
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 13: don't know what a worse a worst case scenario might

884
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 13: be than to be where the Colts are now, and

885
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 13: how it's funny here. Okay, I was mister positive a

886
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 13: minute ago on Twitter on X using the lex playoff simulator.

887
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 13: They've still got a thirty percent chance to make it

888
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 13: the playoffs. It drops to twenty five percent if they

889
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 13: lose at Seattle, and then if they win their last

890
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 13: three games they make a playoffs. So it is right

891
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 13: there in front of them. But we talked last week

892
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 13: that I had a hard time seeing how they came

893
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 13: out of this death spiral with Daniel Jones, you know,

894
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 13: and playing well, and now without him, I just I

895
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 13: just don't see it. You're asking a rookie to come

896
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 13: in and play who was a developmental quarterback. He'll give

897
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 13: them what he can give them, but it's just, I mean,

898
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 13: kind of court the odds are with all these simulators,

899
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 13: it's just a tough road to go, and I just

900
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 13: don't know how they do it.

901
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 5: Okay, Chap, Let's get to this. Okay, a couple of

902
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 5: angles here. I'm gonna go piece by piece. We'll begin

903
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 5: with Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones, and you know, he is

904
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 5: obviously out for the rest of this year. So the

905
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 5: first question with that is about Daniel Jones, and that

906
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 5: is he is a free agent. If there's one I guess,

907
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: and I hate to say this because I don't mean

908
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 5: this as a knock on him personally, but if there

909
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 5: is one silver lining, it's that the Colts had not

910
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 5: yet extended him, so they're not on the hook to

911
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: pay him for next year. Would you agree that this

912
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 5: would indicate that probably Daniel Jones has played his last

913
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 5: game as.

914
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 13: A cult No, I would think, well, will.

915
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: You shine him in l Do you sign him for

916
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 5: a dead cap year knowing that eventually you'll get him

917
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: back and that's your answer.

918
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 13: That's the thing is, first of all, he lost his

919
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 13: shot at a really good multi year deal. He was

920
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 13: going to make fifty million guaranteed probably somewhere and that

921
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 13: whatever for year, contract whatever. And now I think you

922
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 13: bring him back on one of those prove it contracts,

923
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 13: so for a year, because you know it's like a

924
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 13: nine to ten month ideally rehab and that's that's ideal

925
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 13: and position specific probably quarterbacks to probably do it. But

926
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 13: that's that's the start of the season with no off season.

927
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 13: Uh So I think I think you're bring him back

928
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 13: because it'll be the best spot for him. But I

929
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 13: don't know what your next three or four questions are.

930
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 13: But then you still have to go out and get

931
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 13: your quarterback. Well that's okay in the off season, right.

932
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 5: So, because here's the thing, I mean, I just I

933
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 5: my personal thought, Chap, I guess I'll respectfully disagree a

934
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: little bit here, and the fact that I get if

935
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 5: you want to sign him. The question is then the

936
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 5: timeline on when he's even able to play again, right,

937
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 5: and whether or not he's able to play next year

938
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 5: at the level that you need. But the second question

939
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 5: then would be for this year, is Anthony Richardson a

940
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: possibility at some point to play? And secondly, when Anthony

941
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 5: Richardson is cleared, does he automatically become their starter?

942
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 13: Well, he's cleared to practicing, cleared to play are two

943
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 13: different things. And as of last week, Shane Sichin told

944
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 13: us at All that Richardson was able to do is

945
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 13: work in the weight room because with that fractured orbital

946
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 13: of bone, you just can't be jarring the body around,

947
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 13: your head around. So I and there's only four weeks

948
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 13: to go, so I unless if they open the window

949
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 13: to practice this week normally it's been two weeks or

950
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 13: so to play, then you got one game to go

951
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 13: or whatever. I don't think the timeline works. I really don't.

952
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 13: And let's say he's ready to go for the final

953
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 13: game of the season in Houston, and everything probably will

954
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 13: be decided about then as far as what you're doing

955
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 13: and where you're going. I I never thought he was

956
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 13: going to play again anyway because of the injury and

957
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 13: all that. And now I just don't see what what

958
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 13: the purpose would be but the cefs to see what,

959
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 13: to see what in the game, to see what in

960
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 13: two games. First, I don't think he'll be medically cleared.

961
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 13: I just don't. And then I you know, the timeline

962
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 13: doesn't work, and I'm not sure how enthusiastic the team

963
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 13: would be to put him back out there.

964
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 5: So does he come back then next year as the

965
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: camp as you're opening camp.

966
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 13: Starter, God, my first reaction is no, because I think

967
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 13: they showed this year they didn't think that was a

968
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 13: viable option. They meaning the coaching staff, I think I think, uh.

969
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 13: And then to say, well, and then can you imagine.

970
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 5: The backdrack, the chap Here's the thing. It wasn't a

971
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: viable option at the beginning of this year because they

972
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: had another option. I know, I know, so next year

973
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 5: and maybe Riley Leonard maybe the you know, maybe this

974
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 5: is Rock Purty two point zero, right, maybe it's like,

975
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 5: oh gosh, you know what, we have something here this

976
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 5: Maybe it's Kelly hulkem. Hey, this guy's not bad. Let's

977
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 5: let's grow him. And maybe that gives you. But do

978
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 5: they really do that next year?

979
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 13: I mean no, now what, you threw a lot of

980
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 13: things out there first. I don't think Rygery Leonard goes

981
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 13: into next season as maybe he's the guy. And I

982
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 13: don't want to dump on rodgiy Leonard at all. He

983
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 13: was putting a really bad situation yesterday, which backups, that's

984
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 13: the job of a backup. But I just don't see

985
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 13: they view him as Rock Purty, I just don't or

986
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 13: or one of those late ground or you know.

987
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 2: Pairs, right.

988
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 13: But no, But so I guess the timeline would be

989
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 13: is is instead of wanting to get Daniel Jones resigned

990
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 13: pre injury before he's a free agent, before the middle

991
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 13: of March, whatever it is you'd want, you'd want to

992
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 13: get that done now there's no hurry to resign him.

993
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 13: So your first priority, if everybody's back and all that,

994
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 13: either way, I guess is who's your quarterback going into

995
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 13: the off season. I don't want the list is Mac Jones,

996
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 13: Kyler Murray. You want Kyler Murray here?

997
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: Really?

998
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 13: Uh? But that that's what you have, jameis Winston. Uh,

999
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 13: that's where you are again, and we saw how that

1000
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 13: worked last time. It doesn't unless you get Philip Rivers

1001
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 13: for one year. So the first priority would be figuring

1002
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 13: out who your quarterback is, and then then you can

1003
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 13: sign Daniel Jones to be almost a red shirt until October. Uh,

1004
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 13: and then he's your I guess he's your backup if

1005
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 13: you're if you're the guy you bring in as your

1006
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 13: is your starter. It's just a mess. Uh. And the

1007
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 13: what what everyone will talk about, and we will i'll

1008
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 13: talk about, is is who's who's who's in line to

1009
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 13: lead this group? What does Carlyer say, Gordon do? And

1010
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 13: that's not a simple question. It really isn't the easy answers.

1011
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 13: You blow it up. But there are circumstances that the

1012
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 13: fan base is not going to want to hear. But

1013
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 13: this is not going to be a slam Dunta. You

1014
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 13: just blow it up.

1015
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 5: Jab. If you're Alec Pierce, why would you come back?

1016
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 13: We have money for one thing.

1017
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 5: He's going to get that money elsewhere.

1018
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 13: He's gonna get the money. Yeah. Yeah, I understand you're

1019
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 13: be coming back to a place with a totally unsettled

1020
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 13: quarterback situation when you can go to Gosh, Buffalo. I mean,

1021
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 13: can you imagine him as Kansas City?

1022
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 9: Uh?

1023
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 13: Good point, although I will say that you know the

1024
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 13: old bird in the hand if they come to him

1025
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 13: in March first and give him pookoo bucks, that's a

1026
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 13: really really good point. While you come back when you're

1027
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 13: a deep threat receiver, when you have no clue who

1028
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 13: your quarterback is going to be loyalty, I don't want

1029
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 13: to hear that any player that's loyal to where he

1030
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 13: gives a team a discount is not thinking straight. That's

1031
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 13: a good point, but I still think they make a

1032
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 13: hard push to resign him.

1033
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 5: Okay, Chap, last week we went through and believe you me.

1034
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, when you're you're more in tune with

1035
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 5: this than I. I'd still get confused by this. I

1036
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 5: believe that you told us that when it comes to

1037
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 5: the def Con ranking that def Con won was kisseryer

1038
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: in Goodbye, right, wasn't that what you said? Okay, yep,

1039
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 5: and you said that like you put it. I think

1040
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 5: their season at def Con two point five going into Jacksonville,

1041
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 5: they went down to Jacksonville, they lost. They now have

1042
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 5: Seattle San Francisco too, to quote Hugh Lewis and Eddie

1043
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 5: Garrison upcoming. And then now you have your quarterbacks gone,

1044
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: You've got a rookie in there that is learning on

1045
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 5: the job. What deaf Con are we on now?

1046
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 13: One and a half? Just because you know the bomb

1047
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 13: hasn't dropped yet, it's we make light of this because

1048
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 13: that's what we do. And the problem is people's you know,

1049
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 13: they're still playing and people's jobs drew on the line.

1050
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 13: So I don't want to make too much light of it.

1051
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 13: But I'm just being we're just being realistic and and

1052
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 13: it's just hard to see how this team comes out

1053
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 13: of this. And if you're not, you know, if you're

1054
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 13: in the inside, you're you're you're locked in on Seattle.

1055
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 13: Who is who might be the second best first bet

1056
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 13: that may be the best team in the league right now.

1057
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 13: The way they're playing and you're going on the road

1058
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 13: and that's tough. So yeah, you try to say it's

1059
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 13: somewhat optimistic, but then reality slaps you in the face.

1060
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 13: So if you're not Kevin, Kevin Bacon is sort of

1061
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 13: that is that defcon one with Animal House, stay calm.

1062
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: Or whatever it is.

1063
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 13: There's so many There's so many little little stippets. But

1064
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 13: I'm just being realistic and they I don't think they

1065
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 13: can take that approach at all, uh inside the complex

1066
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 13: because this is their job. And I'm not going to

1067
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 13: tell Quentin Nelson that this season is toast because he'll

1068
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 13: he'll in my life. But I just think, really, really,

1069
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 13: really realistically, it's hard to see a path forward for

1070
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 13: the next month. And it's really hard to get into

1071
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 13: Carli Ercy's mind and see what she sees as far

1072
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 13: as why this happened? Again, is is it Chris Baller

1073
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 13: and Saint Stych And is it the injuries? And I

1074
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 13: could argue the injuries have been a major detriment, although

1075
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 13: they were, you know, taking on water certainly before Tanger

1076
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 13: Jones went down.

1077
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 5: Chap my thing, I'm going to play contrarian here, Okay,

1078
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 5: I'm doing this to point out both sides. It doesn't

1079
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 5: mean necessarily that I'm intentionally trying to be the bad guy.

1080
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 5: But with that said, my chap on my guest by

1081
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 5: the way, Java House Peel and poor guest line from

1082
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 5: CBS four and wxin when you look at evaluating, for example,

1083
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: if the trajectory of the franchise should still be guided

1084
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 5: by the same person, and Chris Ballard, the reality is, yes,

1085
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 5: the injuries, and I get it, but he somewhat mortgaged

1086
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 5: the future by taking a position with the player who

1087
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 5: does have injury history and committing to him by sending

1088
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 5: not one, but two of the picks that are usually used.

1089
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 5: If that's the position that you need, that's where you

1090
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 5: get after it. In a first round, they sent both

1091
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 5: of their next two first rounders away to New York

1092
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 5: for a corner, not a pass rush a corner. Do

1093
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 5: you not look at that and say or would you

1094
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 5: not be somewhat correct if you were looked at and say,

1095
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 5: I understand the gamble, but you knew the risk when

1096
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 5: you took it, and you lost the risk, and therefore

1097
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 5: we got to blow the whole thing up.

1098
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 13: I understand that, and you're right, I think what's more

1099
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 13: damning personnel wise, is it quity pay in Lyle too

1100
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 13: law to have not been what they need to be.

1101
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 13: And that's it was a.

1102
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 5: Bad day for him yesterday because they lost a quarterback

1103
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 5: and they had no pass rush.

1104
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 13: Right, yeah, zero sex and zero quarterbacks. He dropped back

1105
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 13: thirty times or thirty two times with a couple of scrambles.

1106
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 13: So that's what I'm saying. It's very and that's what

1107
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 13: Carlier has to decide. She's got it, and I tell

1108
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 13: you she is. She's just not big visible so she

1109
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 13: can think and say, hey, look at the owners out there,

1110
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 13: really involved. No, she's she's more dialed in now than

1111
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 13: her father was over the last couple of years for

1112
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 13: a lot of reasons, and she will probably be more

1113
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 13: analytical and be led by the brain more than by

1114
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 13: the heart than maybe her her father would. So in however,

1115
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 13: she whatever she decides, and I'm sure she will, she

1116
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 13: needs to sit up there and say this is what

1117
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 13: we're doing and this is why, and whether you agree

1118
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 13: or not, I think she's going to have very good

1119
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 13: reasons for what she does now, whether the fan base

1120
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 13: agrees or disagrees, that's part of being you know in

1121
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 13: that seat as you deal with the bullets that come

1122
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 13: your way. So but as easy as this decision might

1123
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 13: seem to be, if they end up, they'll find a

1124
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 13: way to win another game. I just believe that. So

1125
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 13: they finished nine and eight, than what I mean, you've

1126
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 13: been five hundred for the last three years, which isn't

1127
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 13: good enough. It just isn't so. But this is this

1128
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 13: is really gonna be interesting to see what her first

1129
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 13: major decision is. Either way, it's going to be franchise shaping.

1130
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 13: And if you blow it up, if you blow it

1131
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 13: up with no first round draft picks for two years,

1132
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 13: can you trade back in the first round next year

1133
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 13: and get you mortgage whatever you can do to get

1134
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 13: up there. And if you blow it up, what do

1135
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 13: you do? You just can't get rid of fifty three

1136
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 13: players who are your core players like you talk with

1137
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 13: the Alex Pearce's, Jonathan Taylor, Quinton Nelson, on and on

1138
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 13: and on. That's why this is not just so easy

1139
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 13: as you nuke it and then start over next year.

1140
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 13: That's not the way it works. So this is I

1141
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 13: would love to spend an afternoon just sitting her in

1142
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 13: her office and listening to her discuss all these different

1143
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 13: scenarios because the easy it's, like I say, with any player,

1144
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 13: the easiest thing is to get rid of it, and

1145
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 13: the hardest thing and then the hard thing is they're replacing.

1146
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 13: But now you know factor that by fifty three and

1147
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 13: I realize you can. You can replace the bottom half

1148
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 13: of your roster. You can. There's always good players available,

1149
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 13: but those top ten twelve players who mean everything. What

1150
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 13: do you do? And I tell you, like we always say,

1151
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 13: until you get the quarterback fixed, it doesn't matter. So

1152
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 13: priority one, once you decide what's what direction you're going,

1153
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 13: is who's your quarterback? And as we've seen, that's a

1154
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 13: tough decision when when you're always reaching for somebody else's discards,

1155
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 13: they were discarded for a reason.

1156
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 5: Chap when you look, Eddie points this out players that

1157
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 5: are free agents at the end of next season, okay, right, Pittman,

1158
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 5: Taylor Butner, Nelson, Rover Stewart, Anthony Richardson, Josh Downs. You

1159
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 5: know all of those players, right. And then in addition

1160
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 5: to that, obviously you have the question at quarterback they

1161
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 5: do have Like for Pierce, for example, I guess they

1162
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 5: could tag him, but I don't know how much that

1163
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 5: you know, we'll see if whether that pays dividends. But

1164
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 5: it does feel like maybe this is the football God

1165
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 5: saying it's time for a redirect. Okay, if that's the case,

1166
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 5: when you look at the change in ownership and Carl

1167
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 5: ursa Gordon and I say this not because of just

1168
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 5: because of the fact that this is the first year

1169
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 5: that we have seen her at the helm, and yes

1170
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: she has been around, and yes he's been carrying the clipboard,

1171
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 5: and she's listening on the radio and all of those things.

1172
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 5: If it comes down to it where she needs to

1173
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 5: make a decision as to the direction of the franchise

1174
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 5: and she parts ways with Chris Ballard, is there a

1175
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 5: team of people you think that would consult with her

1176
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 5: as to who they would have their eyes on from

1177
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 5: around I'm not saying that she wouldn't have her footprint

1178
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 5: or her ear to the ground found on league wide this,

1179
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 5: but she's not her father, who was around it for

1180
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: forty five years and knew everybody. She will eventually, but

1181
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 5: maybe not yet. Would there be people within the building

1182
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 5: that would be able to guide her through that process

1183
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 5: or is it literally I'm making this call?

1184
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 12: Oh?

1185
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 13: I think I think should reach outside the building with

1186
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 13: with the and the usual suspects, the Bill Pullians, the

1187
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 13: Tony Dungee's people like that that she trusts. I assume

1188
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 13: she trusts those people. I think you have to go

1189
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 13: outside the building and I have all the trust in

1190
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 13: the world with Ward and people like that. But you know,

1191
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 13: looking for a new coach or a GM that's not

1192
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 13: their specialty. It would be uh, let's not get into

1193
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 13: those search groups that some maybe there's more college or

1194
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 13: what everybody. No, she'll have three or four voices that

1195
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 13: she'll reach out to, and if that's the direction she goes,

1196
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 13: this won't be that would be like, I'm the smartest

1197
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 13: person in the room. I don't need to listen to

1198
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 13: Tony Dune or Bill Poli or whatever. I don't think

1199
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 13: that's her at all. You have to have confidence confidants

1200
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 13: that you that you trust and will listen to, not

1201
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 13: saying you just take their word. You know, no knowing

1202
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 13: how I think she is, She's probably in her head

1203
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 13: is thinking, well, if we do this, this might be

1204
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 13: the direction we need to go. I'm talking personnel, I

1205
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 13: mean names that she's got. Jim or so. I told

1206
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 13: me that you've always got, you know, in the right

1207
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 13: hand of your desk, You're always had an index card

1208
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 13: with coaching possibilities and GM possibilities because you never knew

1209
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 13: when you might need them. So this will not It's

1210
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 13: like she didn't become an owner Steward the day her

1211
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 13: father passed away. This has been in the works, you know,

1212
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 13: whether it was a year or two years, or five

1213
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 13: years or ten years. She's been working ship working towards that.

1214
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 13: And if the time comes and she that she resets

1215
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 13: the friends, it won't be okay, Now what do I do? No,

1216
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 13: she she's she knows what she's doing, and she knows

1217
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 13: what her options are. The difficulty is going to be

1218
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 13: deciding whether it's option one, two or three. And I'm

1219
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 13: not sure what three would because you know, one to

1220
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 13: blow it up and two is to bring everybody back

1221
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 13: and and go that way. So uh, I believe he

1222
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 13: is up for it, But I don't think this will

1223
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 13: be a of the daughter's decision alone. They will reach

1224
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 13: out and they will talk with people who have been

1225
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 13: through this, who who who've who know a lot and

1226
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 13: have a great experience, and then they'll make decision. Whatever

1227
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 13: the decision is.

1228
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks that would be available as free agents for

1229
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 5: next season. Daniel Jones heads the list, but obviously we

1230
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 5: know the situation there after that, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,

1231
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 5: Marcus Mariota, Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, former Coleton, Joe Flacco,

1232
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 5: and then Eddie right there, widow Hands, Jimmy Pickett, Kenny

1233
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 5: Pickett in his little hands, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell Trubisky. If

1234
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 5: that gives you an idea of what we're that's.

1235
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 13: What I'm saying.

1236
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.

1237
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 12: Mac.

1238
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 13: I thought Mac Jones is going to be available. But

1239
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 13: I'm not looked there. I'm not done that yet. But

1240
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 13: that that's our point. And you name and name all

1241
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 13: these names, and that's the point. Uh, where do you

1242
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 13: go to bring in? I guess it would be a

1243
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 13: stopcap until Jones gets ready. I don't know, but it's

1244
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 13: not enticing. So and again, as we've talked, if you

1245
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 13: decide to reset and and just start over, what's that process?

1246
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: Two years?

1247
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 13: Three years? This isn't. This isn't n I l to

1248
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 13: where Kurtz Signetti comes in and all of a sudden,

1249
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 13: you're you're going to play for the national championship. You know, yes,

1250
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 13: you can buy players, but not quite like not quite

1251
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 13: like they do in college.

1252
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 5: So if it's kurtig, if we're doing the Kurt Signetti model,

1253
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 5: then that means the Colts hired the head coach of

1254
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 5: the Saskatchewan rough Riders and he brings half the roster

1255
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 5: with him. I know, right, I know.

1256
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 13: So again, as much as the simple answer as you

1257
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 13: blow it up, it's not simple. Well no, that's as

1258
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 13: simple to blow it up, but there are so many

1259
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 13: ways that that you have to figure out. Well, then

1260
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 13: what you know, after the dust settles, then what you got.

1261
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 13: You know, you get the frame of a house and

1262
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 13: that's it. So I and again until you get the

1263
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 13: quarterback done. And it doesn't look to me like the

1264
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 13: twenty twenty six and director is going to be all

1265
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 13: that great quarterbacks after all. So where do you go?

1266
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 13: I don't know, I don't and we'll all speculate about it,

1267
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 13: and it's interesting discussion, but it's not easy.

1268
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1269
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 13: The easy thing is to blow it up and start over.

1270
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 13: And then again, you've already had your your fan base

1271
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 13: be frustrated and anxious over the lacks of success over

1272
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 13: the last gosh, ten years and now they're going to say,

1273
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 13: you know, but we can fix this. Just stick with

1274
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 13: us for two or three more years. And you're not

1275
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 13: building around Andrew Lucker, Peyton Manning, you're building around what again.

1276
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 13: You can read the names again, there's just there's just

1277
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 13: nobody even remotely where you can say, you know, this

1278
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 13: would be interesting. Who which one of those guys would

1279
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 13: you say, you know this atur some interest. I didn't

1280
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 13: hear one name on there. They say, you know, maybe

1281
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 13: I didn't hear one name.

1282
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 3: Chap on the mac Jones front, He'll be entering the

1283
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 3: last year that's to your deal. He just signed this

1284
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: passed off season with San Francisco, so the Colts would

1285
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 3: have to trade for him if they wanted to go

1286
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 3: that about And I know you talked talked about this

1287
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: with Jake that at noon. It was Daniel Jones having

1288
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: that Mr. You guys have to meet, as in the

1289
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 3: media beat machine psych in half an hour, so I

1290
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 3: would assume that is when we will find out the

1291
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 3: determination on the seriousness of the tear, if it's a

1292
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 3: complete terror or just a partial tear.

1293
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think we got Shane at twelve twenty two twenty.

1294
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 13: I just would assume he's gonna say, he'll, you know,

1295
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 13: close the door on that, because it to not do that,

1296
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 13: it makes no sense. And I'm telling you a lot

1297
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 13: of injuries you don't know what it is really with

1298
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 13: knees and all this. I think with an achille, you know,

1299
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 13: he reached right down for the back of his leg.

1300
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 5: It was so classic, right, you tried to take the

1301
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 5: two steps, then you go back down again.

1302
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1303
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah.

1304
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 13: It's some of them. You don't know this one. You know,

1305
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 13: I'm ninety nine percent sure, and the one of the

1306
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 13: person I was texting last night is yeah, that's what

1307
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 13: we think. But we're gonna wait for the MRI. And

1308
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 13: and that's when the MRI I'll come back and say

1309
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 13: this is what it is, and they move forward.

1310
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 5: Mike Chapel CBS four, WXI in Fox fifty nine will

1311
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 5: have it all covered as we continue with this story

1312
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 5: as it develops. And then tomorrow night, it is my

1313
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 5: favorite night of the year. Nobody but Chap and I

1314
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 5: probably care, but it is our I believe it's tomorrow

1315
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 5: night is our dinner, correct.

1316
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 13: Chap six o'clock. I will be there. I would walk

1317
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 13: from Beechcrove to there, and I can't walk very well,

1318
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 13: so I always afford to that.

1319
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 5: I do as well. Chap We look forward to seeing

1320
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 5: you then and I appreciate it as always. We'll lay

1321
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 5: well my chapel joining us. He will get his course

1322
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 5: light on ice tomorrow when we have our And I

1323
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 5: have always said to me, it is the thrill of

1324
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 5: all thrills, the honor of all honors. That what began

1325
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 5: with Robin Miller putting together at dinner with all of

1326
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 5: the former Indianapolis Star writers, and I began my time

1327
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 5: in indie media wise, in the job that Robin helped

1328
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: facilitate as one of the grunts on the AGAP bureau.

1329
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 5: I basically took in box scores and typed him into

1330
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 5: a computer that ended up going on on the backpage

1331
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 5: year sports pages. And even with that, they were always

1332
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 5: gracious enough to include me. And I just sit like

1333
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 5: a fly on the wall and listen to the legends

1334
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 5: tell stories.

1335
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you tell me the score of South DA,

1336
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: Kona State and Wyoming. I need to know if to

1337
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 3: cover the thirteen and a half, we used to get a.

1338
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 5: Lot of that.

1339
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you happen to know that it's.

1340
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 5: Always like two in the morning. One of the guys

1341
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 5: that helps put together that dinner has sat through more

1342
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 5: Indiana football games over the last half century than anybody

1343
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 5: should care to admit, and he's one of the most

1344
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 5: influential and powerful writers of this town has seen. Bill

1345
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 5: Benner joins to celebrate next. Obviously, he has been a

1346
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 5: guest on this program for many a reason over the

1347
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 5: course of the years. Obviously a veteran to the Indianapolis media,

1348
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 5: both from a radio and print standpoint, and has worked

1349
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 5: tirelessly the champion this city and its franchises for many

1350
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 5: many a year and decade. But there is no sport

1351
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 5: and no team. I don't want to speak for him,

1352
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 5: but I'm going to do it nonetheless that I think

1353
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 5: Bill Benner would tell you that he was more anxious

1354
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 5: to see and more thrilled to see finally breakthrough and

1355
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 5: get their due than the Indiana Football fighting Hoosiers. Because

1356
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 5: when you think about those days when Blake Ezor were

1357
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 5: running for like five touchdowns and you know Eric Hunter

1358
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 5: was carving them up in whatever it might be in

1359
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 5: forty degrees sleet storms in November with a two and

1360
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 5: five team, you'd see like three people in the crowd,

1361
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 5: and one of them was Bill Benner, And so I said,

1362
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 5: you know what, I got to have him on, to

1363
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 5: give him his flowers and give him his moment. And

1364
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 5: he joins us now on the Java House Peel and

1365
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 5: poor guest line the former Indianapolis Star columnist, among many

1366
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 5: other responsibilities he's had, Bill, how are you.

1367
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 12: It's hard to be better, you know, trying a lot

1368
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 12: to I can't I can't wait. The spine off my face,

1369
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 12: still trying to get my voice back from Saturday night,

1370
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 12: enjoying the u of the moment, scut the Maury with

1371
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 12: high blood pressure as I made our flight, hotel and

1372
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:15,839
Speaker 12: ticket reservations for the Rose Bowl, and just thoroughly enjoying

1373
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 12: this moment and what it means, both in them now

1374
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 12: and both in the history of indian and university athletics.

1375
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 5: Okay, let's go to the history of it. Bill and

1376
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 5: I want to begin with this. For those that are unfamiliar,

1377
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 5: you have been going to Indiana football games for a very,

1378
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 5: very long time. You've seen a lot of bad football. Truthfully,

1379
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 5: when you look back over the you know, just just

1380
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 5: looking through the photo album of games, you've attended. What

1381
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 5: is the point where you say to yourself, If I

1382
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 5: could go back to that moment and get in the

1383
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 5: ear of Bill Benner in that moment and say, in

1384
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, you're going to be the number one

1385
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 5: ranked team in the country going to the Rose Bowl,

1386
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 5: what is what was the low point? What is the

1387
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 5: one point where you say to yourself, that was where

1388
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 5: it most tested me whether or not I wanted to

1389
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 5: continue to torture myself.

1390
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 12: I think I think it was Ah not till I

1391
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 12: Kevin Wilson. I believe it was the coach and Indiana

1392
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 12: lost to Rutgers, and I think it was like fifty

1393
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 12: six to fifty two something like that, and I don't

1394
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 12: remember the exact year, but it was, you know, twenty fourteen, fifteen,

1395
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 12: something like that. And I remember getting in the car

1396
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 12: with my lovely wife, Sherry, who was set there next

1397
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 12: to me during all of this, and I said, we're

1398
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 12: not going to listen to Fish, We're not going to

1399
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 12: listen to the post game. We're just going to turn

1400
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 12: off the radio and I need to be silent until

1401
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 12: at least we get the four sixty five. And that

1402
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 12: was probably the moment where I wondered if there ever

1403
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 12: ever would be a moment like the one that occurred

1404
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 12: Saturday night. And I know I speak for so many fans,

1405
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 12: so many of us who have been there for the years.

1406
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 12: And you know, Jake, I had to sustain my fandom

1407
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 12: during my years as a sports trial and the columnist

1408
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,879
Speaker 12: for the Indianapolis Star. Sometimes I was able to express

1409
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 12: my frustrations and anger and imprint and opinions about the

1410
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 12: direction or misdirection of the AU football program. But now

1411
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 12: to see how has said, how it's evolved so quickly

1412
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 12: under Kurt Signetti, it's just it's, you know, for even

1413
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 12: for an old journalists, it's beyond I don't have the words. It's,

1414
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 12: you know, amazing.

1415
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, Bill, And by the way, the

1416
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 5: game of which you're speaking October seventeenth of twenty fifteen,

1417
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 5: Indiana losing fifty five fifty two to Rutgers. And actually,

1418
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 5: you know what's funny is you mentioned that that for

1419
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 5: you was like the darkest moment. I asked your wife

1420
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 5: the same question and she said, well, actually, the greatest

1421
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 5: moment Indiana history was the time Bill didn't want to

1422
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 5: talk in the car for forty minutes and I said, yeah,

1423
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 5: that's probably weird. So I worked out. But you know,

1424
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 5: it's a nice balance there, you know. Bill, We're driving

1425
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 5: down Saturday, and Shannon says to me, you know, she's

1426
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 5: and she's a sports fan. She gets and understand sports.

1427
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 5: But she said, now, Jake, just put this in perspective

1428
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 5: for me, like just this curse signette and all this.

1429
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 5: And I said, Shannon, and Bill, I want you to

1430
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 5: tell me if you think this is hyperbole. I said

1431
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 5: it literally. Shannon would be the equivalent if you consider

1432
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 5: that for fifty years, if the Pacers went twenty five

1433
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 5: and fifty five every year, and maybe they had a

1434
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 5: glimpse for three or four seasons where they made up

1435
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 5: playoff and got swept in three games by the Nets

1436
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 5: or something, but for the most part, they have been

1437
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 5: the downtrodden of the NBA for a lifetime. And then

1438
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 5: they just decided to do something different and they hired

1439
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 5: the head coach of the Reno Renegade of the G

1440
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 5: League or the CBA. And the guy comes in and

1441
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 5: brings with him two of his best players from Reno,

1442
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 5: and they literally turn around and in the first year

1443
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 5: they go fifty five and twenty five. In year two,

1444
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 5: they're sixty and twenty and then the number one seed

1445
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. That literally is what we're talking about,

1446
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 5: is it not?

1447
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 12: Well, it is. It's one of the most incredible sports

1448
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 12: turned around. Turnaround is not just a major college history,

1449
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 12: but in sports history. To imagine where Indiana was. And again,

1450
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 12: they've had their moments. I thought Tom donand was going

1451
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 12: to be the right guy, and but that's flame burned

1452
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 12: brightly for a short time and then and then it

1453
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 12: went out and we returned being a football. Kevin Wilson

1454
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 12: had a couple of moments. We Cam Cameron had the

1455
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 12: greatest offensic player in the history of the Big Ten,

1456
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 12: a Kwan Rangel. Well, I thought that was going to

1457
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 12: be the moment, and they never even went to a

1458
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 12: bowl game, certainly other Bill Mallory, I just there have

1459
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 12: been moments where you thought, yeah, yeah, yeah, But to

1460
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 12: have this evolved so quickly, and with you know, the

1461
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 12: self described misfense, it's just it's beyond beyond description. It's truly.

1462
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 5: It's the bad news Bears, right, it's the bad news Bears.

1463
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 12: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah.

1464
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 5: Okay, let me ask you this, Bill, when you were

1465
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 5: and I asked Don Fisher this earlier, but I want

1466
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 5: you to really think about this, okay, And I read

1467
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 5: you know, I know that you have a dear friend

1468
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 5: that also was driving in you know, an hour per game,

1469
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 5: one thousand times over the course of fifty years, whatever

1470
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 5: it might be. But as you were sitting there watching it, Bill,

1471
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 5: and the can Fetti's flying through the air, and Kurt

1472
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 5: Signette's holding up that trophy, and Bernanda Mendoza's like spew

1473
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 5: and spit everywhere and singing songs on national television and

1474
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 5: everybody's soaking it in. Bill Betner thought of who.

1475
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 12: I thought of all my close friends who have gone

1476
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 12: through this with me, including the person that I mentioned

1477
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 12: to you in a text last week, who have who

1478
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 12: have gone through the low mines, who have hung in there,

1479
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 12: who have we've enjoyed the tailgates. We found uh, we've

1480
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,480
Speaker 12: found fun even in We've found light even in the darkness.

1481
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 12: And so I thought, I thought of my pals. And

1482
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 12: you know, I'll get emotional too, I thought, Uh, of

1483
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 12: course he was standing next to me and so we're hugging.

1484
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 12: I thought of my wife, who was endured by passion

1485
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 12: for are you football who's set there next to me

1486
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 12: in miserable weather and sunshine and hot and wants to

1487
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 12: just lose another game and wondering what the hell will

1488
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 12: we get? Why the hell were we doing this? And

1489
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 12: I and I don Fisher mentioned him. I did think

1490
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 12: of Terry Hener because the person that I quote more

1491
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 12: often than not when it comes to are you football

1492
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 12: Heep's famous quote was if you think you can or

1493
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 12: you think you can't, you're right. My wife has heard

1494
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 12: that quote hundreds of times. And Kurt Signette thought we

1495
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 12: could even when we thought we couldn't. And now he's

1496
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 12: gone out improven it with these with these guys who

1497
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 12: have bought into this program, who bought into this belief,

1498
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 12: and now here we are headed tour the number one

1499
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 12: right team in the country, hadn't the Rose Bowl and hopefully.

1500
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 5: Beyond now Bill, as a fan, you have to ask this,

1501
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 5: do you have a preference whether it's Alabama or Oklahoma?

1502
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 12: No, I don'tkay them on, but wind them up, line

1503
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 12: them up. I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't

1504
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 12: care who he is.

1505
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 14: I think Indiana can win. I think again, if you

1506
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 14: think you can't, you think you can't You're right. I

1507
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 14: think in Indiana can beat Alabama Oklahoma. I think they

1508
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 14: can beat whoever comes out of the other bracket. I

1509
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 14: think this team that won the national championship and truly

1510
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 14: truly shock the entire world once again.

1511
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 5: It would be I can't even imagine it if they

1512
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 5: were to win it all. It truly is. You know

1513
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: that somebody pointed this out to me. Bill, There is

1514
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 5: no way in God's green Earth times a thousand lifetimes

1515
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 5: that I ever would have guessed that Indiana football would

1516
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 5: win the Big Ten football turn you know, title game

1517
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 5: championship and go into a college football playoff before are

1518
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 5: Indiana would win a Big Ten basketball tournament?

1519
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I mean yes, that's another astounding fact that

1520
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 12: this football program. You know, and I believe in the

1521
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 12: reason I think he's going to get this basketball program.

1522
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 12: But yeah, I mean, you can't read any national publication

1523
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 12: that doesn't refer to Indiana's basketball background, right there's there.

1524
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 12: Every football story refers to Indiana, as you know, this

1525
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 12: quote unquote basketball school. And now that is that has

1526
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 12: changed for the moment moment. Hopefully we'll uh we'll become

1527
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 12: a basketball and a football school again.

1528
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 5: Bill will see you tomorrow night. I look forward to it.

1529
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 5: I have mentioned before on numerous occasions that to me,

1530
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 5: I certainly understand the fly on the wall nature of

1531
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 5: the dinner that you put on, in the fact that

1532
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of like the you know, I'm a

1533
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 5: plus one. But nonetheless it is great fun. Chap just

1534
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 5: talked about how much he looks forward to it as well,

1535
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 5: and I look forward to it. And we'll have to

1536
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 5: buy you an extra celebratory drink tomorrow night for Indiana.

1537
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 12: In celebration and memory of our late great power Robin Miller,

1538
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 12: my dearly beloved brother David, who would have loved this

1539
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 12: moment so much. And yeah, I really look forward to

1540
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 12: seeing her by tomorrow night, Jake, and glad you're part

1541
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 12: of the group.

1542
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 5: Bill will see you then and go Hoosiers. Bill better

1543
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 5: joining us, Java House, Peeling Port guest Line. Indiana was

1544
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 5: a great story. There were two not so great stories

1545
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 5: when it comes to football in the state. And as

1546
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 5: I mentioned up the top at one o'clock tailor of

1547
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 5: two cities, we'll get back into that next. This is

1548
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 5: the theme song right now for Notre Dame football, not

1549
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 5: just Notre Dame, and this is the theme song on

1550
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 5: West fifty sixth. I'm not sitting here trying to forecast

1551
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 5: doom and gloom. I don't even know that I need

1552
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 5: to forecast it. It is just the reality. And the

1553
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 5: reality is that the Colts are in a world hurt

1554
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 5: because they have no quarterback and now they have no

1555
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 5: first round pick in the next two years, and they

1556
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 5: have players that are going to be aging and some

1557
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 5: contracts that are up, and it is hard pressed to

1558
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 5: think that they are going to be able to even

1559
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 5: get into the playoffs this year. They have lost three

1560
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 5: of four or no. Three in a row, four or five, sorry,

1561
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 5: and yeah, the playoffs are still within play for them.

1562
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 5: But Riley Leonard, nothing against him, is going to be

1563
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 5: the quarterback the school in which he departed last year

1564
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 5: or came out of Notre Dame. Obviously he had played

1565
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 5: at Duke as well. But you know, they electing not

1566
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 5: to even go to a bowl game because they were

1567
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 5: omitted from the College Football playoff. And I certainly understand

1568
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 5: the frustration from Notre Dame fans about that. I said,

1569
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 5: my I think they're one of the best eight best

1570
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 5: teams in college football, but there's a reason they were

1571
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 5: left out. We'll get into that and we'll talk about

1572
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 5: the Tale of Two Franchises, one city, three franchises, one

1573
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 5: state next. That's how it sounded over the course of

1574
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 5: the weekend, starting with Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium,

1575
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 5: Indiana the Big Ten champion, the number one seed in

1576
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 5: the College Football Playoff. Don Fisher on the call you

1577
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 5: heard from Kurt Signetti from when he was first hired,

1578
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 5: Google me I win, and he has done that as

1579
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 5: the Hoosiers now are the champions of the Big Ten

1580
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 5: and head on to the Rose Bowl on January first

1581
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 5: to take on Alabama or Oklahoma. Now it is, in fact,

1582
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 5: like Charles Dickens said in the Tale of Two Cities,

1583
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 5: it is the best of times. It was the worst

1584
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 5: of times. It was the age of wisdom, it was

1585
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 5: the age of foolishness. It was the epic of belief.

1586
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 5: Kurtz Signet he had that belief right and incredulity, that

1587
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 5: meaning a disbelief and for certain even though it was,

1588
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 5: as Charles Dickens said, the season of light talking about

1589
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 5: Indiana and this new horizon they've reached, it was also

1590
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 5: the season of darkness, perhaps for the Colts, because what

1591
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 5: we now know is this You heard Matt Taylor, you

1592
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 5: heard Lara Overton on the Colts Radio Network. In Daniel

1593
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 5: Jones the injury in Jacksonville, Eddie Garrison, if we could

1594
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 5: please the breaking new sounder, it is now official. Daniel

1595
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 5: Jones in fact does have a torn achilles. He is

1596
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 5: officially done for the season for the Indianapolis Colts. And

1597
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 5: in fact, these are two teams and two different directions,

1598
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 5: two storylines that are massive storylines. Here on this Monday,

1599
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 5: good afternoon to you Jake Quarry along with Eddie Garrison

1600
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 5: here on Query and Company, and I talked about out

1601
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 5: from the IU standpoint what you saw in that game.

1602
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 5: And I know Ohio State can sit here and say,

1603
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 5: well the buck Eyes. I mean, you know, they got

1604
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 5: bigger things to worry about. They got bigger fish to fry.

1605
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 5: They're coming off Michigan. That was their big priority. Okay,

1606
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 5: keep in mind that the last time that Ohio State

1607
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 5: won the Big Ten Championship, they only got in because

1608
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 5: they changed the rules in mid season because it was

1609
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 5: the COVID year to prohibit Indiana from going in and

1610
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 5: playing in it. Because they wanted Ohio State the opportunity

1611
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 5: to go into the College Football Playoff. I get it,

1612
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 5: but they needed a tweak. That's how long it's been

1613
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 5: since they've won the Big Ten title. It's not like

1614
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 5: this is a FATA complete that they do that every year.

1615
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 5: Usually they lose to Michigan and can't even get to

1616
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 5: that opportunity. Indiana came out. All we heard about going

1617
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 5: into that game. All we heard about the Ohio State

1618
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 5: front four Mendoza's never seen a defense like Indiana's. Indiana's

1619
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 5: going to be quaking in their boots and looks. I

1620
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 5: love the receiving corp of Ohio State, but what do

1621
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 5: we hear from everybody? Oh Man different cylinder would just

1622
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 5: wait that this offense is unbelievable. And you know what

1623
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,799
Speaker 5: Indiana's defense was the storyline of that game. Indiana flat

1624
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 5: out punched Ohio State right in the mouth and kicked

1625
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 5: their damn teeth in and Ohio State, for the first

1626
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 5: time this season, tasted their own blood and had no

1627
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 5: idea how to react to it. You can tell me

1628
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 5: till the cows come home that Ohio State Sam bagged it.

1629
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 5: You can tell me that Ryan Day didn't want to

1630
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 5: show in open his whole playbook. Maybe that's true. I

1631
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 5: don't know, and maybe, in fact, if they meet in

1632
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 5: the national title game, Ohio State beats him by twenty

1633
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 5: one points. All I know is on Saturday, there was

1634
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 5: one team that went out there, took a huge hit

1635
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 5: early in the game to their quarterback. Everybody was sitting

1636
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 5: there saying, holy cow, holy cow, it was the season

1637
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 5: of light and now it's the season of darkness. Because

1638
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 5: as Indiana fans were sitting there and looking at it

1639
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 5: and watching it, they were thinking it was going to

1640
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 5: be a winner of despair, like Charles Dickens said in

1641
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 5: the Tale of Two Cities, because Mendoza was laying there

1642
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 5: on the turf, and yes, his younger brother comes in

1643
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 5: for a play, right, And the whole time you're saying

1644
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 5: to yourself, this went from belief to incredulity and the

1645
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 5: sake of one play, just like it says in that book.

1646
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 5: But Indiana comes back, punches Ohio State right back in

1647
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 5: the mouth and wins in an epic game. Now, as

1648
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 5: for the Colts, I'm not saying that we're at the

1649
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 5: point now that this is a winter of despair, but

1650
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 5: it's starting to feel that way. And for Chris Ballard,

1651
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 5: who just a month ago we were talking about like

1652
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 5: you've got to extend it now. He and Shane Stikeen,

1653
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 5: this holy trinity of Stikeen, Ballard, Daniel Jones, symbiotic nature,

1654
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 5: general manager, quarterback, all of it, all of it right.

1655
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 5: But yesterday was a really bad day for Chris Ballard.

1656
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 5: It was I'm not trying to kick a guy when

1657
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 5: he's down. But when they were seven and one, we

1658
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 5: were rightly and understandably giving Chris Ballard his flowers. Hey,

1659
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 5: everything's worked out, all the buttons pushed were working. But

1660
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 5: I go back to this, I talk a lot about

1661
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 5: precedent and when Daniel Jones was on the field, and

1662
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 5: I was at googmin House brewing yesterday for our Franciscan

1663
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 5: Health November celebration Men's Health Fair, and it was awesome.

1664
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 5: Those that came out, Thank you for coming out. It

1665
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 5: was a great turnout, great show. Good seeing everybody and

1666
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 5: getting hell screening done and everybody's sitting there watching and

1667
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Daniel Jones. You see him bang

1668
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 5: in the field and banging his helmet and trying to

1669
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 5: walk and send him back down. And I thought of

1670
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 5: two things instantly, Like many of you. I thought of

1671
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 5: Tyrus Haliburt in Oklahoma. Holy cow, are we cursed? Is

1672
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 5: a curse of cutting Peyton Manning? What is it with

1673
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 5: this town? Can't have nice things except for Tale of

1674
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 5: Two Cities, Best of times and worst of times. The

1675
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 5: best of times had happened just the night before, right

1676
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 5: there in the Colts Home Stadium with Indiana. But to

1677
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 5: focus on the Colts. As I was watching that, I

1678
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 5: thought to myself, there's something about the turn of luck

1679
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 5: which made me think of Andrew Luck. And it made

1680
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 5: me think of precedent of where I think what we're

1681
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 5: seeing now we've seen before. And that's why it was

1682
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 5: a bad day for Chris Ballard. Because when Andrew Luck

1683
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 5: had his rookie year, and I remember it, I covered it.

1684
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 5: I did the Reggie Wayne Show. Then we did a

1685
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 5: show with Reggie Wayne every year. I think it was

1686
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 5: either Tuesday or Wednesday night. And yes, the year started

1687
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 5: out with terrible news of Chuck Pagano's illness and then

1688
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 5: Bruce Arians coming in is the interim head coach. But

1689
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 5: Bruce Arians and Andrew Luck had this weird symbiotic thing

1690
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 5: where every button Bruce Arians pushed Andrew Luck was able

1691
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 5: to respond. And Andrew Luck's a generational talent, no doubt

1692
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:22,839
Speaker 5: about it. But suddenly the Colts found themselves in position

1693
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 5: where they were exceeding expectation, and that caused the Colts

1694
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 5: to make a huge error. And Jim mersay rest his soul,

1695
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 5: I think was the driving influence of this, even though

1696
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 5: Ryan Grigson was the one that kind of was labeled

1697
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 5: with it. But what the Colts did and where they

1698
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 5: aired then, and the precedent that we saw for yesterday

1699
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 5: was this. The Colts, when Andrew Luck had immediate success

1700
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 5: as a quarterback, didn't allow it to organically grow. They

1701
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 5: didn't build organic lee the pieces before him in terms

1702
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 5: of an offensive line, and get him young same age

1703
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 5: as he wide receivers not one, but like multiple, and

1704
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 5: they went out and they pushed all in too early,

1705
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 5: and over the course of a season or two, they

1706
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 5: went out and they signed Goster Shareless and Eric Walden

1707
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 5: and Ricky jan Rancois and Lron Landry, and they got

1708
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 5: Andre Johnson and they got Frank Gore and these guys

1709
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 5: that were like in literally it was one am past

1710
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 5: midnight of when they turned into a pumpkin, and the

1711
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 5: Colts mortgaged their future for an immediate payoff, and it

1712
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 5: blew up on them. And you saw what happened with

1713
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 5: Andrew Luck with Daniel Jones. The Colts started seven to one.

1714
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 5: Everything was working perfectly. It exceeded expectations. It was this

1715
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 5: incredible storyline and it was the symbiotic nature between coach

1716
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 5: and quarterback and then the general manager. And Chris Ballard

1717
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 5: got his flowers because it was like, man, you know what.

1718
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 5: He built an offensive line, he did the things. This

1719
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 5: is paying off. This is a good roster. And then

1720
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 5: where I think they aired, and I understand it. I

1721
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 5: don't think it was egregious, but we can look back

1722
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 5: and say it was bad when they made the trade

1723
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 5: at the deadline for Sauce Gardner, a corner and a

1724
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 5: very very good one and may still well be a

1725
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,879
Speaker 5: fabulous player. That is Dion Sanders and and Bob Sanders

1726
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 5: wrapped into one for this town and fans will love him.

1727
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 5: But they traded two first round picks to get him.

1728
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 5: They pushed all in and I think they went too

1729
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,759
Speaker 5: aggressive too early. And I'll give Chris Ballard this much credit.

1730
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 5: They have not yet signed Daniel Jones to a big extension.

1731
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 5: Can you imagine the additional buzzkill of yesterday if they

1732
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 5: had just signed Jones to a four year, one hundred

1733
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 5: and thirty million dollar deal. They can get out of

1734
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 5: it now if they need to, because he's a free

1735
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 5: agent at the end of the year, and what we

1736
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 5: now know is next year already big time in question.

1737
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 5: At the very least, he's not actively running around making

1738
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 5: throws until week one of the season next year.

1739
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 3: That's about a nine month recovery. We put it up

1740
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 3: against the start of the year.

1741
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 5: Right, and that's just to get out there and throw.

1742
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 5: But now you're in a real predicament. You're in a

1743
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 5: real hurt because where do you go at quarterback. Now

1744
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 5: you have Anthony Richardson who has the orbital bone fracture

1745
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 5: and hasn't even gotten back into the point of being

1746
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 5: able to run through contact or even think about it

1747
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 5: at this point. And there's only four games left, so

1748
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 5: that's probably not going to be the case for this year.

1749
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 5: You have no idea what that availability is going to

1750
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 5: be next year. And in addition to that, do you

1751
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 5: because a lot of times in pro sports, believe me

1752
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 5: when I tell you this, a lot of decisions are

1753
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 5: made when it comes to coaches or franchise players, not

1754
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 5: based on what happens when that player comes in, but

1755
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 5: rather how it looks when you've got to then depart

1756
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 5: from it, and with Anthony Richardson, who you've already pretty

1757
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 5: much turned the page on, if you then go back

1758
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 5: to it and say, he's our guy next year, what

1759
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 5: if he plays well? What if he starts to show

1760
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 5: some glimpse, then all of a sudden you have to

1761
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 5: re sign him, and you're back into the situation that

1762
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 5: you probably were trying to walk yourself away from. Or

1763
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 5: you could say, we'll develop Riley Leonard. Okay. At that point,

1764
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 5: Alec Pearce is going, yeah, I'm a free agent. I'm

1765
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 5: probably out of here. And Michael Pittman JUNR Is going,

1766
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 5: I got one year left on my deal. Do I

1767
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 5: really want to be around for the development year two

1768
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 5: of a guy that is heading into year three that's

1769
01:37:55,240 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 5: learning on the job. To Forest Buckner. All kinds of players, Nelson,

1770
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 5: A lot of them become free agents, or you go

1771
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 5: out and sign yourself a quarterback for next year. Aaron

1772
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 5: Rodgers the ghost thereof the drama that comes with it.

1773
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,560
Speaker 5: How to work out for Pittsburgh. Can he pick it

1774
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 5: in his widow hands? He might be the best one available.

1775
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz, Joe Flacco, Gardner Minshew, the hell, let's bring

1776
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 5: back every Let's see what Matt Ryan's doing. Philip Rivers,

1777
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers, Dad Gungett. You know, I mean, there's where

1778
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 5: you tournament. So then you say, well, then you draft one.

1779
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 5: And that's what I mean when I say they aired

1780
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 5: because they sent not one, but two first round picks

1781
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 5: out already, and they don't make a first round pick

1782
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 5: over the next two years. And the NFL is not

1783
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 5: like the NBA. You don't just turn around to Jonathan

1784
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 5: Taylor and go, who wants him? Set us a first

1785
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 5: round pick. Marshall Fault got you a third and to fifth.

1786
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 5: I know, saus Gardner got you two number ones, but

1787
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 5: there's a reason why everybody's like, whoa, whoa. We weren't

1788
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 5: a lot of teams willing to give up two number

1789
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 5: ones for. And sausgart is a wonderful player, don't get

1790
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 5: me wrong, but he wasn't a player they needed. It

1791
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 5: was a bad day for Ballard, not just because of

1792
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 5: all those things, but because Trevor Lawrence Yesterday dropped back

1793
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 5: thirty times, and Trevor Lawrence never once was rushed. Trevor

1794
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 5: Lawrence never once was hit. Trevor Lawrence never once was sacked.

1795
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 5: And what's the area that Chris Ballard has worked more

1796
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 5: tirelessly and more adamantly repeatedly trying to fix. But pass

1797
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 5: rush and Leatu Latu didn't get to the quarterback, and

1798
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 5: Quitty pay didn't get to the quarterback, and I realized

1799
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 5: to Forrest Buckner. We know the situation there. But it

1800
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 5: was a bad day all the way around because the

1801
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 5: Colts now and then they got to go home and

1802
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 5: they got to watch Houston come back and beat Houston

1803
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 5: and beat Kansas City. So they are in a world

1804
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 5: of hurt. It was the best of times. It was

1805
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 5: the worst of times. That's sports in Indianapolis right now.

1806
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 5: And then you get to the other team, You get

1807
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 5: to the other team in the market when we're talking

1808
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 5: about football, not Prdue, not Marion. We know what happened there,

1809
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 5: not you Indy who by the way, great season for

1810
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 5: them in coach Keievers, but they were knocked out last weekend.

1811
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 5: The Notre Dame fighting irish and people listen, I get

1812
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,639
Speaker 5: to quote Ted last who. People give me all kinds

1813
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 5: of guff because like, we don't do enough for Notre Dame.

1814
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 5: Whatever else. Notre Dame is not an Indianapolis market team

1815
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 5: per se. They are in Indiana, but they're a national brand.

1816
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 5: But I understand that they have a large fan base

1817
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 5: here and they're a national brand. And we haven't really

1818
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 5: gotten into this, but for the college football playoff rankings.

1819
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety, Notre Dame signed a contract exclusive with

1820
01:40:55,200 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 5: NBC in nineteen ninety. It paid him thirty eight million dollars.

1821
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 5: Holy cow, thirty eight million dollars Notre Dame is getting

1822
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 5: from NBC. Why in the world would Notre Dame ever

1823
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 5: join a conference. You can watch Notre Dame on national

1824
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 5: television no matter where you're from, on NBC and they're

1825
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 5: getting thirty eight million. They can go and recruit a

1826
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 5: kid from Corona, del Ray, California, Fairbanks, Alaska, Savannah, Georgia,

1827
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 5: Reading Pennsylvania. They can any of those guys and say

1828
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 5: your mom and dad, your high school coach, your best friend,

1829
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 5: your high school girlfriend. They can all watch you every

1830
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 5: Saturday if you come play for Notre Dame because we're

1831
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 5: on NBC. Thirty eight million they're paying us. And so

1832
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 5: if you're Notre Dame, you're saying, why in the world

1833
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 5: will we join the Big Ten or the ACC or

1834
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 5: the Big East or the Big twelve or the Big

1835
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 5: Eight or whatever conference has existed thirty thirty five years ago,

1836
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 5: right thirty eight millionaire. Since then, Jim Delaney to Big

1837
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 5: Ten said, you know what, I'm gonna start a television contract.

1838
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start a network, call it the Big Ten Network.

1839
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 5: We're gonna air nothing of the Big Ten games. The

1840
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 5: Big Ten Network eventually is going to get in partnership

1841
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 5: with Fox Television and the Big Ten. Because of this network,

1842
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 5: guess what we can actually go to If you are

1843
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 5: the University of Minnesota and you're recruiting a kid from

1844
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:37,719
Speaker 5: Corona Delray, California, or Reading, Pennsylvania, or Fairbanks, Alaska, or Savannah,

1845
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 5: Georgia or anywhere in between, no worries. You can tell

1846
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 5: them now you can watch your kid play every week

1847
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 5: because if they're not on a network otherwise, they're gonna

1848
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 5: be on the Big Ten network or on streaming or

1849
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 5: any other such thing. And because of that, the Big

1850
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 5: Ten then grew itself even more and they got into

1851
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 5: the New York market and DC market and the LA

1852
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 5: market and the Pacific Northwest market and now the Big

1853
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 5: ten network in the Big ten ubiquitous and guess what, NBC,

1854
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 5: who paid Notre Dame thirty eight million dollars in nineteen ninety,

1855
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 5: thus causing Notre Dame to say, we never need to

1856
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 5: join a conference, and they didn't back then. NBC now

1857
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 5: pays the Big Ten three hundred and fifty million dollars

1858
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 5: a year, staggering money, especially when you consider that that

1859
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 5: doesn't even buy them the top games in the Big

1860
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 5: Ten because those games are prioritized elsewhere in the Big

1861
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 5: Ten network, within the Fox Television Network and et cetera.

1862
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 5: As part of the deal that pays the Big Ten

1863
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:50,480
Speaker 5: seven billion dollars with a b billion dollars over seven years.

1864
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 5: And the Big Ten tried endlessly years ago to get

1865
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 5: Notre Dame. Come to us, come to us, We'll get

1866
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 5: you money. We're good. We got NBC, we're linked to them. Okay.

1867
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 5: Then the College Football Committee, the athletic directors, the different conferences,

1868
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 5: the ACC, the Big East, they all went to Notre

1869
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 5: Dame because yes, Notre Dame is the biggest brand in

1870
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 5: college football with the biggest recognition and automatic fan base

1871
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:27,839
Speaker 5: due to let's be real here, not just their football tradition,

1872
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 5: which is outstanding, but they're understandably impressive and you know,

1873
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 5: naturally historic theological tie you're a Catholic kid growing up

1874
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania, California, you like Notre Dame. So Notre Dame

1875
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 5: continued to say, we don't need to join a conference.

1876
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 5: We got our own television network, we got our own deal.

1877
01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 5: So does now everyone and so events. Even though Notre

1878
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 5: Dame was a big enough brand with a big enough

1879
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 5: tradition and a big enough marketing draw that leagues definitely

1880
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 5: wanted them. But eventually, the ACC, the Big East, the

1881
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 5: Big Ten, all of these leagues, they basically grew to

1882
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 5: resent Notre Dame's defiance in joining the party, and they

1883
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 5: told Notre Dame repeatedly, that's fine if you want to

1884
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 5: be on your own, if you refuse to play at

1885
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 5: the big kids table, if you refuse to sit down

1886
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 5: with everybody else, that's fine. But just know this, Just

1887
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 5: know that the day is going to come when you

1888
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 5: need to have some sort of a wild card in

1889
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 5: your hip pocket as a tiebreaker to get you into

1890
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 5: a party. We're going to have and your television contract

1891
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 5: that paid you thirty eight million dollars thirty five years ago.

1892
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 5: Yes it's more than that now, don't get me wrong,

1893
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 5: but that television contract is no longer going to buy

1894
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 5: you out. It's no longer going to bail you out.

1895
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,759
Speaker 5: We are imploring to you, Notre dame. We are begging

1896
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 5: of you, and we are making emphatically clear you need

1897
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 5: to join a conference. You need to join a conference.

1898
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 5: If you want to stand on your own and do

1899
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,759
Speaker 5: your own thing and build your own schedule, that's fine.

1900
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 5: If in twenty twenty six you want to play three

1901
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 5: count them three road games next year, three they go

1902
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 5: on the road three times next year, If you want

1903
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 5: to do that, Notre dame, that's fine. But just know

1904
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 5: that if it ever comes down to it where we

1905
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 5: have a situation where in the playoff rankings you are

1906
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 5: in discussion with a team or two or three about

1907
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 5: who's going to get the last two or three spots,

1908
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 5: you better have that wild card of what we've been

1909
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 5: telling you to do forever in your hip pocket. And

1910
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 5: if you don't, you're gonna get left out on the cold.

1911
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that is the right of pro

1912
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,680
Speaker 5: which from them. I'm not saying that they're justified in

1913
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 5: that approach. What I'm saying to you is that is

1914
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 5: absolutely one hundred percent a factor. And why Notre Dame

1915
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 5: did not hear their name called yesterday and a playoff

1916
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 5: ranking that has James Madison in, that has Indiana number one,

1917
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 5: that has Alabama with three losses in because when it

1918
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 5: came down to it, they had their chance then to

1919
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 5: finally say, how do you like us now? Because Notre

1920
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 5: Dame forever in their eyes. I'm not saying it's right.

1921
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 5: I'm simply explaining it to you. Nore Dame forever. In

1922
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 5: the eyes of the college football committee, Notre Dame every

1923
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 5: time they tried to dance with them said we don't

1924
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 5: need to do that. We're good, We're going stag. And

1925
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 5: now finally Notre Dame wanted to come to the prom

1926
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 5: and the prom selection committee for the homecoming court said

1927
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 5: we're good, We're going to go stag. It's petty, but

1928
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 5: it's reality, and that's where it stands.

1929
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 3: I think the biggest gripe that Notre Dame fans should

1930
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 3: have is the fact that Alabama did not get any

1931
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 3: sort of punishment for losing the way that they did.

1932
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 3: Like you look at last season, SMU, Penn State, Iowa State,

1933
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 3: Texas all played in their conference championship game.

1934
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:16,759
Speaker 5: All lost.

1935
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 3: SMU dropped two spots, Penn State one spot, Iowa State

1936
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 3: two spots. Texas dropped the spot. In twenty twenty five,

1937
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 3: Virginia loses in its conference championship game, they dropped two spots.

1938
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 3: Ohio State obviously drops the spot. B Ygan drops the spot.

1939
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 3: Alabama no change after losing in a game where they

1940
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 3: had negative two rushing years. Okay, here's the thing, and

1941
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 3: I don't, Eddie, I agree with all that. I'm playing

1942
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 3: Devil's advocate. Alabama has three losses, but their third loss

1943
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 3: came to a team. Here's the thing. By watching Georgia

1944
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 3: dominate the SEC title game, there isn't oddly and I

1945
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 3: know this sounds weird, it somewhat helped Alabama because of

1946
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 3: the fact that Alabama had beaten Georgia. Right, so like

1947
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 3: it strengthens their best win supporting case.

1948
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Speaker 5: Now, I'll tell you the one. There is a team

1949
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 5: out there. Do you have some breaking Newsjake, go ahead, hit.

1950
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Speaker 3: This out from Shane Stikeen currently meeting with the media

1951
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 3: confirmed with Adam Schefter reported at the top of the

1952
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 3: hour that Daniel Jones would be out the rest of

1953
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 3: the season with any with the torn achilles. Shane Stikeen

1954
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 3: just also revealed that Riley Leonard is dealing with a

1955
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 3: knee injury in his status for Sunday in Seattle is

1956
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 3: in question.

1957
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 5: So that would put Brett Rippon at this point as

1958
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:39,720
Speaker 5: the only quarterback on roster that would be available.

1959
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Speaker 3: And the emergency quarterback would be Tyler Warren.

1960
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

1961
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 5: Now there is a team. We got to get into that.

1962
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 5: And then there's a team also that I think actually

1963
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 5: may have the best argument not named Notre Dame, as

1964
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 5: to what happened with the college football playoff, and it

1965
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 5: dilutes Notre Dame's argument a little bit. I'll get to

1966
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 5: that and we'll get into this complex developing quarterback situation next. Okay,

1967
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 5: I want to get back into the college football discussion.

1968
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,440
Speaker 5: My buddy Nick Harmon, who I love, says, this is ridiculous.

1969
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 5: Head to head with Miami. You can't tell me it

1970
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 5: matters now when it didn't with Notre Dame in Florida

1971
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 5: State nineteen ninety three. Yeah, man, I mean that was

1972
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 5: thirty two years ago and a completely different system. I

1973
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 5: love nick, completely different system though that's not me. I'm

1974
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 5: just a messenger here. I'm just a messenger. But with

1975
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 5: a college football committee, it is completely different in terms

1976
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 5: of the way that they weigh things versus the way

1977
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:34,959
Speaker 5: that they weighed them. You know, ten years before today's

1978
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 5: seniors were born. Eddie, if you could please to break

1979
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 5: you new sounder. I want to get back into the

1980
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,719
Speaker 5: college football discussion. But there is more news from West

1981
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 5: fifty six correct, and.

1982
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 3: The hits just keep on coming already. Daniel Jones out

1983
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 3: for the year with the torn achilles, Riley Leonard dealing

1984
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 3: with the knee issue. I think the exact term that

1985
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 3: sheen Sty can use was knee soreness. Well quote hopefully

1986
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 3: be available on Sunday. Braden Smith is in the Concussion

1987
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 3: Protocol and Tarvarius Ward is back in the Concussion Protocra.

1988
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 5: Towny, Travarius Ward is the one that to me, is

1989
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 5: we played that clip last week, it.

1990
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 3: Would be the third time this season he'd be in

1991
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 3: the protocol.

1992
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 5: If I'm mooney Ward, I mean, at some point you

1993
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 5: get to the point where you're like, okay, three in

1994
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 5: a year. I'm good. I get it. I get the

1995
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 5: competitive nature of the money, all of it. As a

1996
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 5: human being, I'm just saying that's troublesome. And concussions are

1997
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 5: like caution flags in racing. They breed, one becomes I'm

1998
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 5: not a doctor, but things for the Colts now, So

1999
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 5: if you are just joining us on the program, that

2000
01:51:54,880 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 5: means Daniel Jones Achilles confirmed torn done of the year,

2001
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 5: Riley Leonard his backup monitoring a knee situation day to day,

2002
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 5: if you will. Anthony Richardson, who normally would be the

2003
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 5: backup on injured reserve fractured orbital bone, not yet back

2004
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 5: to the point of even going through motion or practice.

2005
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 5: Shaverius Ward concussion protocol third time, Braiden Smith. Did you

2006
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 5: say concussion protocol for Braiden Smith. Yes, And we are

2007
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 5: awaiting word as to whether or not Alec Pierce goes

2008
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 5: into that protocol.

2009
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 3: He was not on the list of injury updates from

2010
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 3: Sheen's staken.

2011
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 5: And with no first round or this year or next,

2012
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 5: and there are question marks around the Colts and just

2013
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 5: the how quickly this has turned, how quickly this has

2014
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 5: turned literally this season for the Colts seems to have

2015
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 5: done a one point eighty that is also to some extent,

2016
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 5: I guess the equally like disbelief of how different it

2017
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 5: looks over the course of say than a month ago,

2018
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 5: like the Colts, or like IU from two years ago

2019
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:23,719
Speaker 5: to now in the opposite direction. Let me give for you, Eddie.

2020
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 5: When it comes to the college football playoff discussion, I'm

2021
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 5: going to give you three teams. Okay, as a matter

2022
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 5: of fact, I want to do it this way. Somebody

2023
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 5: call in right now, two three, nine, ten seventy, and

2024
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 5: I want it to be a Notre Dame fan. And

2025
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 5: I don't mean this to pick on Notre Dame at all.

2026
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 5: I've said repeatedly I think Notre name is one of

2027
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 5: the eight best teams in the country. But just the

2028
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 5: way that this works nine ten seventy right now, if

2029
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 5: you are a Notre Dame fan, I want you to

2030
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 5: call it in because we're going to do a blind

2031
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 5: taste test. I'm not trying to set you up here.

2032
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 5: I literally am going to do a blind taste test

2033
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 5: where we're gonna line up and I'm gonna read off

2034
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 5: three things, and I want you to tell me which

2035
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 5: of these is the one that you think should be in.

2036
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 5: But you got to be a Notre Dame fan. Okay,

2037
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 5: So right now, Eddie's man in the phones, and we're

2038
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 5: gonna bring one on, okay, and I'm gonna read off

2039
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 5: the resume of three teams and you got to pick one. Okay,

2040
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 5: who do we have here? Ready? Eddie's lining them up here,

2041
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 5: Cameron calling in. We'll get to the Achilles question in

2042
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 5: just a second. Cameron, okay, go Jesse, All right, Jesse,

2043
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 5: uncle Jesse, what's up?

2044
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 2: You're ready?

2045
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 5: Okay? Are you a Notre Dame fan? Jesse?

2046
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a huge Notre Dame fan.

2047
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:49,880
Speaker 5: Turned down your radio, Jesse?

2048
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2049
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 5: All right, you there, Yeah, I'm right here. Okay. I'm

2050
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 5: gonna read you the resume of three teams and you've

2051
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 5: got to pick one of them you think should be in.

2052
01:54:58,360 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 2: You're ready, yes, sir?

2053
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 5: Team number one. They have an ESPN strength of schedule

2054
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 5: of twenty two. They have a strength of record of nine.

2055
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily understand what the difference between those two is,

2056
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 5: but these are metrics they use. Okay, played in their

2057
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 5: conference championship, and they have two losses. Okay, one of

2058
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 5: their losses to a conference champion. That's team number one, okay,

2059
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 5: Team number two, strength of schedule of forty four, a

2060
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 5: strength of record of thirteen, did not play for a

2061
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 5: conference championship and has two losses both teams they lost to.

2062
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 5: One of the teams has four losses, the other has two.

2063
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 5: That's team number two. Team number three, strength of schedule

2064
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 5: of forty five, strength of record of fourteen. Did not

2065
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 5: play for a conference championship and lost to two teams,

2066
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,000
Speaker 5: both of which have four losses. Of those three, which

2067
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 5: one is most impressive to you?

2068
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 12: I'd say one?

2069
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 15: But I know which teams you're talking about.

2070
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 5: But on the blind taste test, which of those three

2071
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 5: would be one? That's BYU? Yep, that's BYU b yu.

2072
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 5: And the reason I asked it, Jesse, and I appreciate

2073
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 5: you you partaking here, okay, and put it out there.

2074
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 5: The reason I say it is because we can sit

2075
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 5: here and talk till the cows come home about Notre

2076
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 5: Dame and Miami. But BYU is the one on the

2077
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 5: blind taste test that actually jumps out the most of you?

2078
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 5: And you say that might be the one that got

2079
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 5: the biggest screwjob. Cameron wants to talk Achilles what's up, Cam?

2080
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Hello.

2081
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 16: Unfortunately, in the past at least sixteen.

2082
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 12: Months, Indiana athletes have.

2083
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 16: Had four torn achilles Wiseman, Jackson, Halliburton, and Maut Jones. So,

2084
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 16: given the importance of the upcoming weeks, I am formally

2085
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,840
Speaker 16: offering myself as human sacrifice for protection purposes.

2086
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 5: Now say that one more time, Cameron.

2087
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 16: I am formally offering myself as human sacrifice for protection purposes.

2088
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 5: Okay, so i'd like please elaborate on what it is

2089
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 5: that you're offering.

2090
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 16: You may take each of my Achilles tendons. There's protection

2091
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 16: of a certain heisman candidate. I am not gonna name

2092
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 16: names and jinksaman, but we all know that we need

2093
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 16: strong Achilles tendons for the next month and a half.

2094
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 5: Okay, So what you're saying is this, if hypothetically or theoretically,

2095
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 5: you are someone who might be having to go to

2096
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 5: New York for an award trophy presentation and you have

2097
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 5: to basically not do anything in terms of a game

2098
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 5: until January first, what you're saying is, sit on the couch,

2099
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,200
Speaker 5: keep your legs elevated, and if something happens, call Cameron

2100
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 5: right correct. Okay, Cameron, listen, Cameron. Here's the thing. Where

2101
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 5: were you in Oklahoma in the middle of the in

2102
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 5: the summertime.

2103
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 2: Buddy, I wish I would have been this smart.

2104
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 5: Well, foresight is important. Let me tell you something. Foresight

2105
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,879
Speaker 5: is important. And that's the thing about the Colts, for example,

2106
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 5: that becomes a challenge because when you look at foresight,

2107
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,680
Speaker 5: it is bleak. They said in a Tale of Two Cities,

2108
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 5: the theme for today, right, the theme for today, it

2109
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 5: was the time of bright light, and it was the

2110
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 5: time of great darkness. And unfortunately that bright light for

2111
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 5: the Colts was at seven and one, and now all

2112
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 5: of a sudden the light is dimmed. Significant. So, Eddie,

2113
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 5: we had mentioned that, I think it was last week

2114
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 5: we were going down the def con chart. Def Con four,

2115
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 5: Depcon three to two to one, et cetera, and def

2116
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 5: Con one means I think Mike Chapel said, what what

2117
01:58:58,200 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 5: the heck was that noise we were doing?

2118
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 3: I just smacks my hydro fuss.

2119
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 2: That was it?

2120
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:07,320
Speaker 5: Okay, Defcon one, Mike Chapel said, is lean over and

2121
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 5: kiss your rear goodbye. Right, So based on that, I

2122
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 5: would like to know what defcon we're at. What you

2123
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 5: have right now? It's kind of like a little bit

2124
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 5: of dumb and dumber here. I don't mean the Colts

2125
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 5: are dumb and dumber, but it feels kind of like

2126
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 5: that where it's like, you know, we're driving around, we're

2127
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 5: losing our money, our pets, heads are falling off. So

2128
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 5: if you're the Colts, you have your starting quarterback out

2129
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 5: for the year with an achilles injury. You have the

2130
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 5: backup quarterback who was formerly your starter out indefinitely with

2131
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 5: a fractured eye socket.

2132
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 2: Yep.

2133
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Speaker 5: You have your rookie quarterback that had to play and

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Speaker 5: did okay for you in Jacksonville questionable now with a

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Speaker 5: knee injury. You have your high ticketed and very good

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Speaker 5: corner that you signed in the off season in concussion

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Speaker 5: protocol for the third time this year, a place where

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Speaker 5: he was put on IR previously. You have your other

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Speaker 5: corner that you sent not one, but two first round

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Speaker 5: picks to New York for along with Ady Mitchell out

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Speaker 5: not on IR, but out theoretically for another two weeks.

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Speaker 5: You have your right side of the line dinged up

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Speaker 5: with a player in concussion protocol. Offensively speaking, you had

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Speaker 5: no pass rush whatsoever on Trevor Lawrence, and you have

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Speaker 5: a wide receiver that we thought might go into concussion

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Speaker 5: protocol today but is not. But he is having a

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Speaker 5: breakout year and is also in a contract year and

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Speaker 5: now has no idea who would be throwing him the

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Speaker 5: ball next year if he decides to resign in Indianapolis

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Speaker 5: as opposed to going elsewhere. And you have a defensive

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Speaker 5: end that was already on ir who is probably your

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Speaker 5: best player, and that's where Stan. So other than that,

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Speaker 5: things are going okay, right.

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Speaker 3: I would say, so that's probably you know, defcon Forum.

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Speaker 5: And you've lost four of five and three in a row.

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Speaker 3: That's like defconon negative three.

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Speaker 5: It is time for the crossover, brought to you by

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Speaker 5: the good guys that love heating and air Love dash

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Speaker 5: hvc dot com is the website you heard me mentioned

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Speaker 5: that three one seven, three five three twenty one forty

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Speaker 5: one JMV is with us yesterday, John, That was a

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Speaker 5: lot of fun yesterday, getting a chance just to meet

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Speaker 5: with and see some of our listeners in the game,

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Speaker 5: notwithstanding in terms of the results, but seeing everybody getting

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Speaker 5: their chance to get screened for Franciscan health and make

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Speaker 5: sure everybody was good. Yeah, a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday.

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Speaker 5: It was too and a great event.

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Speaker 15: And we've been doing this now for the past couple

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Speaker 15: of years and saw a lot of people, a lot

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Speaker 15: of friends of ours over there, and that was awesome.

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Speaker 5: I think I have a solution.

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Speaker 15: I heard one of your callers here a moment ago, Jake,

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Speaker 15: how about if the Colts bring Matthew Broaderick in to

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Speaker 15: bang the anvil on Monday night and he plays tic

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Speaker 15: tech toe against Chris Ballad beforehand to try to get

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Speaker 15: us off of def Con one.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly that. That's pretty much men, before it's gotten out.

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Speaker 15: I'm bringing seriously, I mean, that's the way you can

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Speaker 15: joke about this, because this is a tremendous joke. This,

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Speaker 15: this whole Achilles epidemic we have around here, just injuries

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Speaker 15: in general. It's a big joke. So why not, hey,

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Speaker 15: Broaderick some cash, bring him in. He can bang the

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Speaker 15: anvil on Monday night and play Chris Ballard or maybe

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Speaker 15: even Carly in you know, a game of tic tac

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Speaker 15: dough or tic tac toe in this case. Sorry, that's

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Speaker 15: a game show.

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Speaker 5: We can't get Whopper to call the missiles off here?

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Speaker 5: Who was the in Tiktac dough. Not war games, but

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Speaker 5: Tiktac Dough. Who is the host of Tiktak Dough is

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Speaker 5: Gene Raymond Wing Martinell.

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Speaker 15: Not the defensive coordinator of Michigan different Win Martin Dell.

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Speaker 5: You were at Twin Peaks in Castleton, correct, John.

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Speaker 15: I am, and we've got a lot to talk about. Hey,

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Speaker 15: by the way, shout out to IU fans and Jake.

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Speaker 15: I have an IU yetti cup made by Spencer Thompson

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Speaker 15: of Thompson Furniture down in Columbus for you on Thursday.

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Speaker 15: I have a REDS yetti for Eddie Garrison and I

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Speaker 15: tried to guess what you guys are all fans of

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Speaker 15: on our staff here, and I've got a bunch of

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Speaker 15: them that I'm going to bring in coming up tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: I think that's our final day, right, That is awesome?

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Speaker 5: That studio tomorrow. Uh, that's TBD, is it not?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I I haven't heard?

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Speaker 12: Is it?

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Speaker 15: Minute by minute? I'm not sure. I just I'm going

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Speaker 15: by what I've been told.

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Speaker 5: I just know, I mean, we are eventually moving studios.

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Speaker 5: It'll be this week. I don't I don't know that

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Speaker 5: we know yet what day.

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Speaker 15: When Brett Brett Rippon is going to come in and

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Speaker 15: win two of the last four, and this team is

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Speaker 15: going to go to the postseason. And he's going to

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Speaker 15: start his quarterback next year. By the way, that's what's happening. Okay,

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Speaker 15: all right, Well, just because he hadn't hey, just because

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Speaker 15: he hadn't thrown it past, it's twenty twenty three, all right,

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Speaker 15: do not be alarmed.

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Speaker 5: Well, John, I'm gonna give you three hours to make

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Speaker 5: that exact claim, and I'm going to do it for

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Speaker 5: you here in about five minutes. How's that you got

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Speaker 5: a pal? All right? John will join us coming up

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Speaker 5: here just about five minutes from now. I want to

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Speaker 5: thank Bill Benner. I'm want to thank Don Fisher today.

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Speaker 5: If you did not hear Don Fisher's comments about what

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Speaker 5: that meant for him Saturday night, and notably his reflections

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Speaker 5: on Terry Heppner, I would strongly advise you to do

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Speaker 5: so on podcast form after six pm, after John, and

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Speaker 5: then again, like I said, Bill Benner, Mike Chappell, thank

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Speaker 5: you as well. We will be back with you at

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Speaker 5: noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to the Quaring Company.