WEBVTT - Lanterns - “The Jordan Boys Legacy” (S1, E7) 0:00:01.690 --> 0:00:05.750 The frames per second podcast. 0:00:09.270 --> 0:00:12.229 What's going on it's your boy nick i'm here with 0:00:12.270 --> 0:00:15.090 super producer jay how you doing bro i'm good bro 0:00:15.130 --> 0:00:18.380 you i'm all right uh kenneth bianch how you doing 0:00:18.390 --> 0:00:22.840 man hola doing well and i am spike lou of 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:24.560 the on deck tv show and another week in the 0:00:24.579 --> 0:00:27.659 books how you doing sir what up dope and you 0:00:27.700 --> 0:00:30.150 now tune in to Another episode of the Frames Per 0:00:30.190 --> 0:00:33.680 Second podcast. And in this episode, we are continuing on 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.840 with our weekly recaps of the hit HBO original series 0:00:38.820 --> 0:00:42.400 from the DC Universe titled Lanterns. With this recap being 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:48.310 dedicated to episode seven titled The Jordan Boys Legacy. We 0:00:48.330 --> 0:00:52.170 got one more episode left. This was the penultimate episode, so... 0:00:53.310 --> 0:00:55.040 Next week is the last week, y'all. So how did 0:00:55.060 --> 0:00:57.800 y'all feel about this week's episode that is serving us 0:00:57.980 --> 0:00:58.840 up for next week? 0:00:58.900 --> 0:00:59.680 I'll start with you, Jay. 0:01:05.230 --> 0:01:05.690 It was good. 0:01:05.709 --> 0:01:11.770 It got me nervous, but it was good. That's the 0:01:11.790 --> 0:01:16.160 best way to put it. I feel like similar to 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:21.920 last week's episode. They ended well, but for some reason 0:01:21.940 --> 0:01:26.060 throughout the episode, I wasn't completely into it. There were spots. 0:01:26.220 --> 0:01:28.819 It was up and down for me. But overall, it's 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.140 still good. I do feel like what we said after 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.020 episode five is coming true a little bit. 0:01:35.340 --> 0:01:35.680 What is that? 0:01:35.700 --> 0:01:36.420 That is my fear. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.920 As far as episode five was the peak and the 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.060 back end is like. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:41.400 Oh, okay. 0:01:41.420 --> 0:01:41.600 Gotcha. 0:01:41.700 --> 0:01:42.100 All right. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:43.140 It's okay. 0:01:43.170 --> 0:01:43.920 So maybe. 0:01:44.770 --> 0:01:46.289 I'm hopeful that Episode 8 is going. 0:01:46.190 --> 0:01:48.930 To bring it all together based on the reveal at 0:01:48.950 --> 0:01:52.370 the end of this episode. But these last two episodes 0:01:52.390 --> 0:01:53.170 have just been felt. 0:01:53.590 --> 0:01:54.750 They aren't bad episodes. 0:01:54.770 --> 0:01:57.000 They just aren't the highs that I was feeling in 0:01:57.030 --> 0:01:59.100 the first half of the season. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.380 Got you. What about you, Lou? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.840 I think I'm in the same place as Jalen. This 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.460 just wasn't bad, but it was probably my least favorite episode, 0:02:08.500 --> 0:02:11.910 and it keeps gradually getting worse. Not worse in a 0:02:11.950 --> 0:02:13.810 bad way. Like, I can't watch this. I don't like 0:02:13.870 --> 0:02:16.850 it or anything like that. But around episode five, as 0:02:16.889 --> 0:02:18.730 we were saying, and Channing just said, it's like, okay, 0:02:18.750 --> 0:02:20.970 that was fire. That was dope. Everything they've done up 0:02:21.010 --> 0:02:24.250 to this point is good. And now I know these 0:02:24.290 --> 0:02:25.450 last three weeks has just been like. 0:02:25.470 --> 0:02:26.690 Okay, it's cool. 0:02:31.690 --> 0:02:35.350 Um, it's still, it's still, I still get my popcorn 0:02:35.380 --> 0:02:38.530 and watch the show, man. I think, um, That hasn't 0:02:38.850 --> 0:02:46.239 hasn't changed. It's a lot of dialogue happening now where 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.019 there's almost like they're both of. 0:02:49.940 --> 0:02:51.280 Them on camera are great. 0:02:51.540 --> 0:02:53.480 And I think they still want to try to maintain 0:02:53.500 --> 0:02:57.579 that chemistry that they have. But this very much feels 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.380 like the last couple of episodes is like we're trying 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.660 to work our way for. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.179 A second season. 0:03:04.470 --> 0:03:06.680 But didn't one of you guys or somebody say that 0:03:06.860 --> 0:03:09.940 this was it? They have already confirmed there isn't another season? 0:03:11.260 --> 0:03:13.580 I don't know if there's a there's not a confirmation 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.320 of a yes and a no. But I think I 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.880 gave my feelings of and anybody else can chime in that. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.580 I don't think there will be a second season. I 0:03:21.620 --> 0:03:25.160 think this is just this because this show was already 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.359 in the works before. I believe even James Gunn took 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.079 over D.C. So this show predates any of the plans 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.720 that they have. I guess they're just now including it 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:39.840 in everything. But I'm viewing this from the standpoint of 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.300 this is just to launch pad us to Superman 2. 0:03:43.300 --> 0:03:45.640 And then after that, it's whatever. But I think this 0:03:45.660 --> 0:03:48.220 show costs a lot. And these actors are getting this 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.780 actors cost a lot, too. I don't know if it's 0:03:50.810 --> 0:03:52.110 going to get a second season. 0:03:52.470 --> 0:03:53.350 How does the show call? 0:03:53.530 --> 0:03:55.250 I don't think the show would cost a lot unless 0:03:55.290 --> 0:03:58.130 they saved all their their budget for the back end with. 0:03:58.820 --> 0:04:03.160 This off-world planet we're on. But, yeah, I mean, you. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:08.040 Introduce the Sinestro just for one more episode, and that's it? Like, 0:04:08.100 --> 0:04:10.370 I don't know. I don't understand what they're trying to 0:04:10.410 --> 0:04:15.610 accomplish with the back half of this series if they 0:04:15.830 --> 0:04:18.910 are not setting up for something much, much larger. 0:04:20.230 --> 0:04:23.330 I don't know if it's just one season or not, because, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:28.100 I mean, I feel like there's going to be a 0:04:28.100 --> 0:04:28.500 season two. 0:04:29.130 --> 0:04:31.310 You could have said the same thing about Watchmen, though. 0:04:33.070 --> 0:04:34.890 You know what I'm saying? These are the same people 0:04:34.910 --> 0:04:38.370 that did that. Yeah, but I don't know. I feel 0:04:38.390 --> 0:04:39.710 like they're still setting up a scene. 0:04:40.490 --> 0:04:44.450 I think having Hal in this position as far as 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.060 he's dead, but he's a hologram, he could still find 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.800 a way to use him as compared to just making 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.080 it a one-shot, like he's dead, or. 0:04:53.860 --> 0:04:54.799 Trying to maneuver. 0:04:54.820 --> 0:04:55.380 You know what I'm saying? 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:56.960 I feel like that's a way for them to continue 0:04:56.980 --> 0:05:01.500 the story when the story moves on But I also, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.659 I ain't 100% sure, Nick, but I don't know if 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.660 it was a full show before James Gunn. What I 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.460 was told, and I might be wrong too, is that 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.060 it was a true detective, like basically a throwaway. Like 0:05:16.180 --> 0:05:17.820 in the beginning, it was like true detective and they 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.320 just kind of pigeonholed it. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.420 So I might be wrong, but maybe that's just the influence. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.700 I think it's more of like, that's how hard TV shows, 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:27.640 especially superhero TV shows. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:28.420 Get made these days. 0:05:29.270 --> 0:05:32.060 Like, there was a whole plan with the Snyderverse and 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.480 all that stuff that I was going to include lanterns 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.600 at some point. But obviously, that got nixed once they 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.740 put James Gunn in charge. I think that shit was trash. 0:05:40.900 --> 0:05:41.060 I know. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.880 I'm just saying. But, like, I feel like those conversations 0:05:42.900 --> 0:05:44.219 were happening during that era. 0:05:44.860 --> 0:05:47.380 And then once it got nixed, it was like, we 0:05:47.420 --> 0:05:50.500 have this true detective script that we haven't used. This 0:05:50.540 --> 0:05:54.440 would be a great merge of putting these two worlds together, 0:05:54.460 --> 0:05:57.479 you know. cause lanterns are cops, they're space cops. So 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.460 it'd be like, it kind of would like blend well together. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.000 And so far from what we've all said, it has, 0:06:02.820 --> 0:06:05.060 but I feel like, again, I'm thinking this is all 0:06:05.100 --> 0:06:06.539 for a launch pad for the movies. 0:06:06.900 --> 0:06:10.440 I don't think they will spend as much money. 0:06:10.620 --> 0:06:11.810 And I say this a lot of money cause I'm, 0:06:12.050 --> 0:06:15.929 I'm just talking about the actors and the spaceship. Granted, 0:06:15.950 --> 0:06:18.630 it hasn't been too much spaceship, but it's been enough 0:06:18.650 --> 0:06:20.330 to where I will say this is somewhat of an 0:06:20.390 --> 0:06:24.510 expensive show. Um, that I think it would just justify 0:06:24.529 --> 0:06:26.730 doing a movie later, especially if Aaron Pierre takes off 0:06:26.770 --> 0:06:28.740 the way I believe what most people think he is. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.580 And obviously it's a D.C., So it's a comic book 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.200 movie or a comic book show slash movie that can translate. 0:06:36.779 --> 0:06:38.280 So those are my thoughts. Now, it could be a 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.230 season two. There could be an article released tomorrow. But 0:06:41.250 --> 0:06:44.050 I'm just saying it's just too much going on for us. 0:06:44.790 --> 0:06:47.430 There's too much and also very little going on for 0:06:47.450 --> 0:06:49.029 it not to be a movie. I don't see how 0:06:49.070 --> 0:06:52.750 you can elongate eight hours for a justified TV show 0:06:52.830 --> 0:06:54.270 versus saying, all right, we can give you a two 0:06:54.290 --> 0:06:56.979 and a half movie. you know, finishing off where this 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.780 picks up or picking up where this finishes off. But 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.900 I enjoyed this episode. I've enjoyed all this stuff. I think, Ken, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.360 to your point, the chemistry between Kyle Chandler and Aaron 0:07:08.380 --> 0:07:11.660 Pierre is what drives this show, what drove this episode 0:07:11.700 --> 0:07:12.060 for me. 0:07:13.740 --> 0:07:14.860 I feel like. 0:07:16.060 --> 0:07:19.130 I am as locked in as I was in episode five, Jay, 0:07:19.150 --> 0:07:21.410 for different reasons, because I like dialogue. Lou, that's why 0:07:21.430 --> 0:07:24.800 I'm surprised you are coming down off the high of 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.900 episode five, cause you are a dialogue person and the 0:07:27.940 --> 0:07:29.440 banter between them has. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.470 Been really interesting to me. Um, and we'll get into it. 0:07:32.530 --> 0:07:36.170 Maybe we'll, we'll, we'll find different, uh, Likes for it, 0:07:36.330 --> 0:07:37.710 but I really like this episode. 0:07:37.730 --> 0:07:38.570 Now, I am worried, Jay. 0:07:38.590 --> 0:07:39.770 I thought you were going to say, as far as 0:07:39.790 --> 0:07:43.210 you're worried, is will he actually be a lantern? Because 0:07:43.250 --> 0:07:46.590 we only got one hour left, and I'm like, hey, 0:07:46.610 --> 0:07:47.490 this nigga. 0:07:47.750 --> 0:07:49.930 I told you straight up, I can't listen if he 0:07:49.950 --> 0:07:50.810 be a lantern or not. 0:07:50.850 --> 0:07:53.010 No, no, I get that. I'm just saying, like, I 0:07:53.030 --> 0:07:53.650 thought you were worried. 0:07:53.750 --> 0:07:55.950 Like, okay, that's confirmed now, based off of we only 0:07:55.970 --> 0:08:00.070 got an hour left, but this nigga is the furthest 0:08:00.150 --> 0:08:01.270 away from getting a ring. 0:08:01.410 --> 0:08:02.830 Yeah, I heard that he was. 0:08:02.850 --> 0:08:08.380 Exactly. but I'm at this point I'm submitting to the 0:08:08.390 --> 0:08:09.700 show it is what it is he could end up 0:08:09.740 --> 0:08:13.660 with it or not but if he don't Ken you 0:08:13.700 --> 0:08:16.140 may just be y'all three for season two let me 0:08:16.180 --> 0:08:17.820 know when this nigga get it I'll pick it up 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.940 from there but we start off this episode with a 0:08:22.980 --> 0:08:26.840 flashback as we travel back to 1975 and learn about 0:08:26.900 --> 0:08:30.350 how Jordan's upbringing and get introduced to his father Martin 0:08:31.490 --> 0:08:32.910 Ken what did you think about how we start off 0:08:32.929 --> 0:08:34.330 this episode. 0:08:36.179 --> 0:08:36.670 I liked it. 0:08:36.820 --> 0:08:41.780 I liked it. It gave us just enough... In this 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:42.660 small window, it. 0:08:43.570 --> 0:08:48.870 Really gave us some insight into Hal himself and his makeup. 0:08:50.309 --> 0:08:53.550 You know, with his kid not wanting to give the 0:08:53.590 --> 0:08:58.060 ball up for the complete game and willing to fight 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:58.900 his own team. 0:08:59.900 --> 0:09:00.600 The whole team. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.460 Very reminiscent of what he did to... It made his... 0:09:06.350 --> 0:09:10.349 turn on john stewart make a whole bunch of sense 0:09:10.390 --> 0:09:13.010 because um so if he wanted to do that for 0:09:13.030 --> 0:09:15.670 them he damn sure gonna do whatever it takes to 0:09:15.710 --> 0:09:16.209 complete the. 0:09:16.170 --> 0:09:19.330 Mission and seeing his dad. 0:09:20.770 --> 0:09:22.620 What i like about his dad because you can kind 0:09:22.670 --> 0:09:26.740 of see his dad had just enough of the mannerisms 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:32.280 of how as an adult but not like all the way. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:33.960 But it was just enough in the way he kind 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.959 of phrased stuff, the way he kind of moved. He 0:09:35.980 --> 0:09:38.260 was like, hey, what you got there? I was like, man, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.319 that actor did a really good job of being really, 0:09:40.340 --> 0:09:44.400 really subtle with that. But I'm with the dad, man. Like, 0:09:44.420 --> 0:09:48.330 my son is this close to a complete game and 0:09:48.370 --> 0:09:49.310 you take him out? 0:09:50.010 --> 0:09:53.310 Oh, yeah. That's all that fucking matters. So I'm with him. 0:09:54.710 --> 0:09:55.990 Lou, what was your thoughts on Martin? 0:09:57.130 --> 0:10:00.050 I'm with the dad, too. Pull my son and then... 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.940 and he's that close to a complete game. Yep, going 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.980 to fight the shortstop and the whole team and keep 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.640 the ball. You're making a bad decision. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:08.130 I liked it. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.199 I liked that he fought the coach. All that worked 0:10:10.220 --> 0:10:10.440 for me. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.300 And I think the other thing is just having them 0:10:15.380 --> 0:10:19.120 sit down and they kind of use that later on 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.640 in the show, just the conversation that they were having, 0:10:23.630 --> 0:10:27.390 just that bonding moment, you know, him holding on to 0:10:27.429 --> 0:10:31.150 the ball and not wanting to relinquish the ball is 0:10:31.230 --> 0:10:33.860 also very similar to him wanting to hold on to 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.900 the ring and not letting go of the ring as well. 0:10:38.380 --> 0:10:42.220 And just the conversation that the two had about, you know, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.179 just kind of legacy, really, and giving him, like, some 0:10:46.220 --> 0:10:50.030 insight into his dad. and where he's at, and really 0:10:50.050 --> 0:10:54.150 just prepping him for what the reveal was later. So, no, 0:10:54.330 --> 0:10:55.010 it was good. 0:10:55.110 --> 0:10:56.090 It was good. I like what they did here. 0:10:56.429 --> 0:11:01.230 Yeah, I like how they, like you said, Ken, from 0:11:01.270 --> 0:11:03.390 a young kid, he was always like, if I'm close 0:11:03.410 --> 0:11:06.630 to greatness or holding greatness or being great, I'm not 0:11:06.670 --> 0:11:09.589 going to let that shit go easy, whether that's a 0:11:09.630 --> 0:11:12.790 complete game as a kid or me being one of 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.050 the best or the first Earth Green Lantern. So, like 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.040 you mentioned, like, you see how, you know, your childhood 0:11:19.059 --> 0:11:20.820 always influences you as an adult. 0:11:21.300 --> 0:11:22.340 But, Jay, I wanted to. 0:11:22.420 --> 0:11:24.180 Ask you, have you seen Talladega Nights? 0:11:25.420 --> 0:11:26.260 Mm-hmm. 0:11:26.300 --> 0:11:29.099 This surrounded me of some, if you're not first, you're last, 0:11:29.140 --> 0:11:31.320 Ricky Bobby shit, as far as, like, how we opened up. 0:11:32.740 --> 0:11:33.740 In a way, that's. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:38.060 Why I'm not with Ken and Spike. I'm like, as 0:11:38.100 --> 0:11:40.350 far as how it works toward the character, yeah, but 0:11:40.380 --> 0:11:42.430 as a parent, I'm like, that's dumb. 0:11:43.929 --> 0:11:45.969 It was all around dumb. Like, yeah, I get it. 0:11:45.970 --> 0:11:47.730 You want your child to have it, but that shit 0:11:47.770 --> 0:11:52.089 was dumb. That shit was dumb. It was straight up dumb, bro. 0:11:53.250 --> 0:11:56.270 I think fighting the coach in front of his kid 0:11:56.370 --> 0:11:58.750 is the dumbest part of it. What he said, I 0:11:58.970 --> 0:12:02.250 don't disagree his pushback because it was like... Because when 0:12:02.270 --> 0:12:05.089 he asked the coach, like, walk me through your thought process. Like, oh, 0:12:05.309 --> 0:12:07.310 you took him out because this other kid good? He 0:12:07.350 --> 0:12:09.670 was like, nah, not really. And I'm like, okay, then 0:12:09.690 --> 0:12:11.990 I'm confused. Why did you take him out if he 0:12:12.010 --> 0:12:14.570 was doing– it's kind of like, Jay, if you hot 0:12:14.790 --> 0:12:17.569 on the court and you made five threes in a 0:12:17.610 --> 0:12:21.510 row and you down by three, why would the coach 0:12:21.530 --> 0:12:22.650 take you out for somebody cold? 0:12:22.750 --> 0:12:25.110 I'm just saying– They weren't losing. That's the point. 0:12:25.190 --> 0:12:26.709 No, but I'm saying, like, why would you take me 0:12:26.770 --> 0:12:28.790 out if you know I'm hot? I can finish this game. 0:12:29.130 --> 0:12:34.439 Then he said there were, like– He described the situation, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:34.840 I thought. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.240 Yeah, it was two outs left. The game was basically over. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.010 Yeah, we can just close the game. 0:12:42.570 --> 0:12:43.170 Exactly. 0:12:43.309 --> 0:12:45.510 So the kid who probably don't ever get no shine, 0:12:45.530 --> 0:12:46.979 he's probably giving him a chance to fit. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.900 All right, let me give him some time. 0:12:50.940 --> 0:12:51.480 So, whatever. 0:12:51.620 --> 0:12:54.020 I'm with you, too. I'm with you, Jay. Fuck that kid, bro. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.850 All right, listen. At the end of the day. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.950 I don't really care that much about that part about 0:13:01.970 --> 0:13:06.189 the game. I'm also talking about, like, you could have 0:13:06.910 --> 0:13:08.070 handled it. 0:13:08.050 --> 0:13:08.910 That way in front of the kid. 0:13:09.290 --> 0:13:10.550 Yes, yes, I agree with you on that. 0:13:10.590 --> 0:13:11.069 That's what I'm saying. 0:13:11.090 --> 0:13:13.690 Like, you can't do that in front of the child, bro. Like, 0:13:13.710 --> 0:13:14.270 you just can't. 0:13:14.429 --> 0:13:18.740 Like, no. That's why that shit was stupid. You're right. 0:13:20.230 --> 0:13:22.830 In terms of how he handled the coach, okay, fine, 0:13:22.870 --> 0:13:26.770 the violence, whatever. But that's who that dad is. 0:13:27.550 --> 0:13:29.090 But even the pushback. 0:13:30.210 --> 0:13:30.830 What pushback? 0:13:31.570 --> 0:13:33.710 Even the pushback about taking my child, like, yeah, you 0:13:33.750 --> 0:13:35.960 can agree with, like, you can be upset, but you 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.199 don't let your child see that. 0:13:37.500 --> 0:13:40.319 You should handle it. Like, you could talk about it 0:13:40.340 --> 0:13:42.220 with the coach without the child being present and then 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.720 go tell the child, like, all right, like, this is 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:45.780 what happened, blah, blah, blah. But you handled the whole 0:13:45.820 --> 0:13:46.940 situation in front of your kid. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.540 Like, that was dumb. That was dumb to do that. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:59.130 Spike, we're a transparent family. We can handle that all 0:13:59.230 --> 0:14:00.350 in one take. 0:14:00.630 --> 0:14:04.069 All in one take, bro. Ain't no need for more conversations. 0:14:04.290 --> 0:14:07.110 We'll figure everything out right here. 0:14:07.130 --> 0:14:14.150 Again, that's why I'm half and half, Ken. I think, ideally, 0:14:14.250 --> 0:14:16.630 I would want to be fighting the coach over a 0:14:16.670 --> 0:14:20.290 stupid decision they made where my kid can be great. 0:14:20.890 --> 0:14:22.630 But at the same time, like Jason, you have to 0:14:22.670 --> 0:14:26.400 set an example. And this whole episode is about how 0:14:26.820 --> 0:14:29.680 his father set examples for him and how that impacted 0:14:29.700 --> 0:14:30.600 him the rest of his life. 0:14:31.140 --> 0:14:31.300 So. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.820 The coach was the aggressor, though. Y'all saying it's like hell. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.770 Nah, don't do that. Nah, don't do that. 0:14:38.850 --> 0:14:39.770 He was, though, Jay. 0:14:39.870 --> 0:14:42.110 He stepped up to him first. He was like, how 0:14:42.150 --> 0:14:45.450 dare you? He would have had me fucked up. But 0:14:45.590 --> 0:14:47.330 I got you, but it ain't got to be. But 0:14:47.350 --> 0:14:50.600 that's because he was doing everything. He was siding with 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.260 the kid. in front of him. 0:14:52.300 --> 0:14:53.400 Like, you can't do that, bro. 0:14:53.420 --> 0:14:55.840 Like, I would understand if he yanked the kid out 0:14:55.860 --> 0:14:57.400 with his hand or was yelling at the kid when 0:14:57.420 --> 0:14:58.240 he took him out the game. 0:14:58.260 --> 0:14:59.780 Like, yeah, now I got to correct you in front. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:00.160 Of my child. 0:15:00.180 --> 0:15:01.660 Like, I need him to know that we ain't going 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.390 to let this shit happen. But he's the coach, and 0:15:04.410 --> 0:15:06.570 he made a decision. Like, you got to respect that 0:15:06.610 --> 0:15:09.810 decision as the coach, as the manager. So you need 0:15:09.830 --> 0:15:12.050 to handle that behind closed doors. You can disagree with it, 0:15:12.050 --> 0:15:13.790 but you got to handle it behind closed doors and 0:15:13.830 --> 0:15:14.830 talk to your child about it. 0:15:17.050 --> 0:15:17.490 Ideally. 0:15:18.010 --> 0:15:21.470 You're right. Yeah. 0:15:21.810 --> 0:15:24.130 Well, I'm telling you now, though. 0:15:24.450 --> 0:15:26.650 I'm telling you now, when the coach say it don't 0:15:26.700 --> 0:15:29.420 fucking matter to me, when my son's sitting there in 0:15:29.460 --> 0:15:31.380 front of me, we're going to move some furniture in 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.180 your little office. 0:15:33.220 --> 0:15:36.160 Me and you, we're going to rearrange your office. 0:15:36.820 --> 0:15:37.800 You know what? Boom, there you go. 0:15:37.940 --> 0:15:39.520 What do you mean, it don't fucking matter? 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.000 Who are you talking to, bro? 0:15:46.980 --> 0:15:49.020 Your son going to look at you like you a punk. Like, 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.900 now you going to let him talk to you like that? Oh, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.240 and you know it's going to come up later. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.510 And he said that with Coach. 0:15:57.090 --> 0:15:58.590 But from the looks of it, it looked like the 0:15:58.630 --> 0:16:00.150 coach beat his ass in front of his son. So 0:16:00.170 --> 0:16:02.250 he's still a punk in front of his son. So 0:16:02.510 --> 0:16:03.250 it don't matter. 0:16:03.290 --> 0:16:08.860 Jay, Jay, Jay, all we know, because it was also 0:16:08.900 --> 0:16:10.480 pointed out that Hal took on the whole. 0:16:10.340 --> 0:16:10.900 Team, Lou. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.220 He fought. Yeah, he fought. 0:16:12.260 --> 0:16:13.340 Yeah, he fought. 0:16:13.380 --> 0:16:13.980 He only can't. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:14.640 He only can't. 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.500 He only came away with a black eye. So I'm like, bro, 0:16:18.540 --> 0:16:19.479 he must've been scrapped. 0:16:19.580 --> 0:16:19.680 Yeah. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.770 I thought about the same thing. You want all the 0:16:22.790 --> 0:16:25.950 niggas and that's all you got. That's why I'm looking 0:16:25.970 --> 0:16:27.810 at the, uh, at the dad. Like he probably know 0:16:27.850 --> 0:16:29.370 how to fight. Cause his dad, I mean, of course 0:16:29.390 --> 0:16:31.370 they were close enough. Like he, dad probably took a punch, 0:16:31.950 --> 0:16:32.470 but I don't. 0:16:32.370 --> 0:16:34.410 Think that coach is going to be with the kid 0:16:34.430 --> 0:16:34.820 no more. 0:16:35.250 --> 0:16:39.640 But, um, um, we then see Martin take his son 0:16:39.660 --> 0:16:40.620 to his job there. 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:41.840 Obviously we know he's a pilot. 0:16:42.500 --> 0:16:46.530 Um, so he's at a hanger, uh, and they're enjoying 0:16:46.550 --> 0:16:49.230 some popsicles, and his dad tells him more about not 0:16:49.330 --> 0:16:54.320 only his upbringing, but how his interactions were with Hal's grandfather, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:55.020 who was his dad. 0:16:56.060 --> 0:16:57.900 Ken, what did you think about this conversation? 0:16:58.300 --> 0:17:03.640 Because you've casually dropped about your relationship with your father 0:17:03.780 --> 0:17:05.480 and how that's impacted you. I was wondering if you 0:17:05.500 --> 0:17:10.510 got something from this scene. 0:17:10.660 --> 0:17:11.030 Yeah. 0:17:12.710 --> 0:17:17.210 It's about, like, okay, so your father's are heroes. And 0:17:17.250 --> 0:17:22.170 it goes back to one of the things that we reviewed. 0:17:22.230 --> 0:17:30.399 Your father's growing up with them or you idolized him 0:17:30.460 --> 0:17:35.340 and all the other stuff. And it seems like he 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:40.220 had this viewpoint of his dad and it's, it's standing 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.719 down to the rest of them. He was telling his 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.380 dad about how his grandfather was and how his grandfather 0:17:46.420 --> 0:17:49.340 was talking big shit, you know, how he was talking 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.340 big shit about living to be a hundred and stuff 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.340 like that. Um, but you know, it's about also those 0:17:56.420 --> 0:18:00.500 recipes and passing on those recipes and making sure that 0:18:00.540 --> 0:18:03.280 you understand where you come from and what your family 0:18:03.340 --> 0:18:05.900 is all about. So I thought it was interesting that 0:18:05.980 --> 0:18:08.780 he was willing to share that with him to take 0:18:08.820 --> 0:18:12.220 this locket and give him this locket at this moment. 0:18:13.230 --> 0:18:15.469 And he was like, well, what about mom? It was like, well, 0:18:15.490 --> 0:18:16.230 your mom. 0:18:16.060 --> 0:18:19.700 Can't hold this because it's a different type of burden 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:24.700 that we share as men in the family. And that 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.840 particular family is a different type of burden that we share. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.260 So I am going to pass this on to you. 0:18:32.100 --> 0:18:35.190 And when if something happens, then you go get that. 0:18:35.290 --> 0:18:37.390 And in the box will be all the things that 0:18:37.910 --> 0:18:41.310 you will need or you get your answer to questions 0:18:41.330 --> 0:18:44.750 you may have moving forward. And, um, and those things 0:18:44.770 --> 0:18:47.210 became applicable later on that we, that we learned. 0:18:48.710 --> 0:18:52.129 Jay, did you take this as maybe not in the moment, 0:18:52.170 --> 0:18:55.429 but did you take this as, uh, especially after the, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.140 at the end of the episode, like this was his 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.180 kind of like his own will and testament that he's 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.909 vocally given to his son. Like he is basically saying, I, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.139 I'm not going to be here for long. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:16.140 Yeah, I definitely could feel, um, a sense of demise 0:19:16.350 --> 0:19:18.889 on the horizon when he was talking. Like, it definitely 0:19:18.930 --> 0:19:22.930 felt like something was coming up, especially how he quickly 0:19:22.990 --> 0:19:24.450 was like, you know, I'm going to be here forever. 0:19:24.470 --> 0:19:25.830 Like, I'm going to be driving. 0:19:25.890 --> 0:19:28.130 I mean, I'm going to be flying both planes until 0:19:28.190 --> 0:19:29.330 I'm 100. 0:19:29.330 --> 0:19:33.010 I could feel there was a sense of, yeah, this 0:19:33.109 --> 0:19:34.730 isn't going to last long, so I want you to 0:19:34.770 --> 0:19:37.050 know now. Even the way he gave him the key, 0:19:37.270 --> 0:19:39.430 all that felt like it was inevitable. Like, it's about 0:19:39.470 --> 0:19:40.750 to happen soon, so I'm going to go ahead and 0:19:40.770 --> 0:19:42.250 prepare you now. Even the way he was looking at him, 0:19:42.609 --> 0:19:48.330 It wasn't with a sense of pride when he looked 0:19:48.390 --> 0:19:49.820 at him. He was looking at him with like, damn, 0:19:49.859 --> 0:19:54.340 I'm about to do this. Like some emotion of dread 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.490 that was coming. So, yeah, I definitely felt that in 0:19:57.510 --> 0:20:00.830 that moment. Lou, I'll ask you a similar question. 0:20:00.869 --> 0:20:03.230 Did you feel like he was talking about some internal 0:20:03.270 --> 0:20:07.800 depression that him and his– father whose house grandfather dealt 0:20:07.820 --> 0:20:09.380 with or did you just take this as a face 0:20:09.420 --> 0:20:11.960 value because you could take it as face value as 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:12.920 advice as. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.780 Far as you got to let certain shit go you 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:15.760 know i'm saying like. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.219 I took it as a personal thing that him and 0:20:19.270 --> 0:20:22.129 his grandfather had both went through like him telling him 0:20:22.390 --> 0:20:25.810 that about his dad and then you know giving him 0:20:25.830 --> 0:20:27.890 that information from him so i thought it was more 0:20:27.950 --> 0:20:29.700 personal than general advice. 0:20:31.030 --> 0:20:33.560 Yeah, I felt like it was brilliant writing that you 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.280 could take it as just like... Because he was just saying, 0:20:36.300 --> 0:20:38.320 look how tight you holding on to that ball, bro. Like, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.979 the shit been over with. Like, the game's over. We 0:20:42.020 --> 0:20:44.080 left the school and you holding on to it like 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.810 you about to throw the pitch at the game. Like, 0:20:46.850 --> 0:20:48.770 that type of shit is the things that you need 0:20:48.790 --> 0:20:51.770 to unlearn for you to move forward. Because that's the 0:20:51.790 --> 0:20:54.250 shit that got me and your granddad. Now, I also 0:20:54.290 --> 0:20:58.210 took it as like... When he was talking, it was like... 0:20:58.340 --> 0:21:01.620 You know, sometimes when you're around certain family members... you're 0:21:01.660 --> 0:21:05.359 comfortable enough to talk about the things that they're dealing with, 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.740 but you're also sliding stuff that you're dealing with too. 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.010 Like not only, not necessarily projecting, but just calling out. 0:21:11.050 --> 0:21:13.290 Like I'm saying, I'm saying this out loud because I'm 0:21:13.310 --> 0:21:15.830 talking to both of us. And obviously as a kid 0:21:15.869 --> 0:21:17.550 for how he couldn't register that. 0:21:18.109 --> 0:21:20.090 But as a viewer, I'm. 0:21:19.970 --> 0:21:24.740 Looking at Martin and I'm like, bro, this nigga, his 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:29.120 life is clearly on the edge because if it's not, 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.120 he's going to take it himself. you know what I'm saying, and, 0:21:32.140 --> 0:21:36.459 and to see, and then, again, how we transition from 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:42.070 that scene to, we see that he dies shortly after that, 0:21:42.390 --> 0:21:44.510 Hal still basically looks like he died a week later, 0:21:44.530 --> 0:21:47.190 I feel like, because Hal still is a young kid, 0:21:47.609 --> 0:21:49.540 and he's burying him, and then he looks, and then 0:21:49.630 --> 0:21:51.979 as we're looking up on his grave, we see Hal's grave, like, 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.420 I thought that transition was brilliant, like, Hal was looking 0:21:54.460 --> 0:21:58.890 down on himself, like, damn, like, I went out early. 0:21:59.050 --> 0:21:59.990 You know what I'm saying? 0:22:00.350 --> 0:22:03.030 Everybody always talks about you don't want to go out 0:22:03.070 --> 0:22:04.929 too late and all that other shit, but to go 0:22:05.010 --> 0:22:06.890 out early and know that, looking down at your own 0:22:06.910 --> 0:22:08.900 dead body, that's a crazy thing, even if it's a hologram. 0:22:09.660 --> 0:22:11.580 I just thought that transition from the beginning of this 0:22:11.619 --> 0:22:16.940 episode to how we get back to 2026 was really great. Jay, 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.980 what did you think about the conversation Hal and John 0:22:20.020 --> 0:22:22.119 had when John was trying to catch him up on 0:22:22.140 --> 0:22:23.790 what happened over the last 10 years once we get 0:22:23.830 --> 0:22:24.570 back to present day? 0:22:26.030 --> 0:22:27.870 I mean, it was interesting, but I definitely could see 0:22:27.910 --> 0:22:31.300 it because we were introduced to 20... 2006. 0:22:31.300 --> 0:22:32.909 2006. Yeah. 0:22:33.500 --> 0:22:34.940 How before. 0:22:35.100 --> 0:22:37.379 And we could already tell the difference in him then. 0:22:37.780 --> 0:22:41.159 And so, even the way he interacted with himself when 0:22:41.180 --> 0:22:42.880 he came back, when they won the water tower, like, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.580 you could tell there was a difference in that person. 0:22:45.980 --> 0:22:49.920 So this interaction here, it was interesting to see, like, 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.520 how likes this version of John. 0:22:52.540 --> 0:22:54.740 He fucks with John, low-key. And it's like. 0:22:56.830 --> 0:22:58.389 John is like, I really don't fuck. 0:22:58.230 --> 0:23:01.280 With this nigga at all. Like, I don't like you, nigga. 0:23:01.580 --> 0:23:03.159 And so he can't see the difference. He's like, you 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.540 that same nigga. It's like breaking up with an ex 0:23:06.580 --> 0:23:08.740 and they done went through their transformation over time. And 0:23:08.770 --> 0:23:10.790 when you see them all over again, they think they're 0:23:10.810 --> 0:23:11.410 a brand new person. 0:23:11.450 --> 0:23:12.840 And you like... I. 0:23:14.550 --> 0:23:17.930 Remember you I remember you from the last interaction yes 0:23:18.230 --> 0:23:19.990 I don't know the journey you've been on so I 0:23:20.010 --> 0:23:20.890 can give a fuck. 0:23:20.869 --> 0:23:22.990 You know exactly exactly. 0:23:22.570 --> 0:23:24.930 So this is what that felt like so it was 0:23:24.970 --> 0:23:27.430 very interesting to see it was funny as hell too 0:23:27.850 --> 0:23:29.510 but it was it was interesting to see how he 0:23:29.530 --> 0:23:31.730 was interacting I don't blame John not one bit though 0:23:32.150 --> 0:23:34.450 like I felt him in every every sense of it 0:23:34.710 --> 0:23:36.540 like when we get later on in the episode there's 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.169 a couple of things I'm like yup that nigga in 0:23:38.190 --> 0:23:39.220 the right for doing all that. 0:23:39.100 --> 0:23:41.620 Shit what about you Ken what did you think about 0:23:41.660 --> 0:23:42.920 this conversation. 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:46.000 I thought it was. 0:23:45.980 --> 0:23:49.879 Cool I thought it was really well I didn't know 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:54.080 at the time but it definitely kind of set us 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.320 up for what the episode. 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.040 Was going to be like and it was really going 0:23:58.080 --> 0:23:58.460 to be. 0:23:58.330 --> 0:24:05.690 Them kind of him learning or getting to learn a 0:24:05.730 --> 0:24:07.609 new version of Hal that he never got a chance 0:24:07.670 --> 0:24:10.510 to meet but also getting some additional insight into how 0:24:11.090 --> 0:24:14.850 Hal felt about him later on in the episode but Yeah, 0:24:14.869 --> 0:24:15.470 I thought it was cool. 0:24:18.450 --> 0:24:20.879 Lou, I was sad for how, when he was like, 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:22.300 so how'd the funeral go? 0:24:23.100 --> 0:24:25.399 He was like, John was, John don't know how. 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:26.820 To laugh and shit. 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:31.199 He was like, everybody pull him up, man. 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:32.810 He said, even Mojo was there. 0:24:32.830 --> 0:24:36.250 He was like, bro, I was locked arms with Mojo, crying, 0:24:36.290 --> 0:24:38.109 pouring the 40 ounce. 0:24:38.369 --> 0:24:39.750 He like, man, that's a planet. 0:24:39.790 --> 0:24:40.590 Get the fuck out. 0:24:40.609 --> 0:24:41.110 That was good. 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:45.680 But I see why he did it, though. 0:24:45.740 --> 0:24:48.280 I mean, I understand the back and forth, like what 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.840 Jalen was saying earlier about just their dynamic and him 0:24:51.940 --> 0:24:54.879 meeting another person. And then you seeing him having to 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.470 deal with the baggage of not fucking with him, being 0:24:59.490 --> 0:25:01.250 pissed off at him. The other dude, like not even 0:25:01.330 --> 0:25:04.350 with John, not even knowing half of how he feel 0:25:04.369 --> 0:25:04.649 about him. 0:25:04.690 --> 0:25:06.429 So, yeah, I like this. 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That's patreon.com forward slash 0:25:39.790 --> 0:25:40.530 frames per second. 0:25:45.330 --> 0:25:48.470 We then see John take Hal after he basically ended 0:25:48.490 --> 0:25:50.570 that conversation because Hal was asking too many questions. 0:25:50.670 --> 0:25:52.910 All the right ones, of course, but just too many questions. 0:25:53.510 --> 0:25:55.209 But we see now that he knows that he can 0:25:55.290 --> 0:25:57.830 use the ring and Hal's still there as far as 0:25:57.850 --> 0:25:59.990 his hologram, he takes him to the storage facility where 0:26:00.070 --> 0:26:03.530 Hal kept his secret lockbox. And as John is trying 0:26:03.550 --> 0:26:07.340 to get Hal, the hologram Hal, to use his voice, 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.899 they get into an argument about Hal wanting to see 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:13.659 his old thing before all that happens. 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:14.360 However. 0:26:15.230 --> 0:26:18.209 I want to cut to something real quick, Lou. We 0:26:18.250 --> 0:26:23.379 got another nigga moment. Because on the way to the lockbox, 0:26:24.020 --> 0:26:31.080 John called his brothers. And he was asking for money. 0:26:31.460 --> 0:26:33.159 He was asking for a favor. He wasn't asking for 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.320 money because it's his money. But he was asking for 0:26:35.340 --> 0:26:38.080 a favor. We already know how him and Aaron's relationship 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.560 is based off last week's episode. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.740 What did you think about this phone conversation and how 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:43.040 it went? 0:26:44.550 --> 0:26:46.670 I thought it was interesting. One, that they were trying 0:26:46.690 --> 0:26:48.490 to question him. Then two, they asked him about the 0:26:48.530 --> 0:26:51.330 Green Lantern shit. I thought that was funny. And then 0:26:51.350 --> 0:26:55.690 him even addressing what we were talking about last week 0:26:55.710 --> 0:26:59.080 about how successful he's been post when he left his 0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:00.940 town and going to do all the things with the 0:27:01.020 --> 0:27:03.800 architectural firm that he has or whatever. So I like this. 0:27:03.859 --> 0:27:06.020 I like the brother's response because that's natural. But again, 0:27:06.060 --> 0:27:07.940 it's my money. Just go do what I said. I 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:08.879 just need you to go pick it up. 0:27:09.710 --> 0:27:10.230 Say it was good. 0:27:10.250 --> 0:27:13.629 But I was surprised he was just so willingly giving 0:27:13.650 --> 0:27:14.160 that girl $ 300, 000. 0:27:14.020 --> 0:27:16.149 That was my thing, Ken. 0:27:16.260 --> 0:27:18.700 I was like, bro, I thought we had a good 0:27:18.740 --> 0:27:20.240 laugh about it last review. 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.040 I'm thinking that's the end of it. Lo and behold, 0:27:23.060 --> 0:27:25.440 this nigga actually, he giving her more. 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.399 Because didn't she say it was just $ 314, 000 and some change? 0:27:29.420 --> 0:27:30.240 He just rounded up. 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:36.180 To $ 315, 000. 0:27:32.730 --> 0:27:33.810 Yeah, and the watch. 0:27:33.930 --> 0:27:36.970 Yeah, I'm so disappointed in John with this, man. I 0:27:37.710 --> 0:27:40.109 I keep waiting. I'm like, there has to be another play. 0:27:40.230 --> 0:27:42.670 And there's no way he's doing this. There's no way 0:27:43.070 --> 0:27:46.830 he's really going to give her this money. But it 0:27:46.850 --> 0:27:49.729 looks like he is, man. I hope he doesn't. He 0:27:49.750 --> 0:27:53.350 got to have something up his sleeve. But unfortunately, I 0:27:53.390 --> 0:27:59.350 don't think he's that smart to plan something out like that. 0:27:59.410 --> 0:28:02.790 How would it have worked out? I don't think that's John. 0:28:02.850 --> 0:28:05.730 John just want to put the end this problem and 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.879 move on to the next thing. But I did enjoy 0:28:09.810 --> 0:28:12.980 that conversation. One thing I noticed and I liked about 0:28:13.470 --> 0:28:18.710 John this episode, and as the season progressed, he's getting 0:28:18.730 --> 0:28:21.710 blacker and blacker and blacker. 0:28:21.970 --> 0:28:23.409 With each episode. 0:28:24.510 --> 0:28:27.290 Because he used to be this stiff sort of military 0:28:27.350 --> 0:28:29.710 guy and all this other stuff, really, really uptight. 0:28:30.350 --> 0:28:34.530 But he's loosened a lot. So I really like that. 0:28:35.450 --> 0:28:39.650 And money letting him be a nigga. He couldn't at first. 0:28:39.690 --> 0:28:41.730 He wasn't rich enough. 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.340 Jay, I disagree with Lou. I think it's not the 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:46.680 money that's making him. It's his family. 0:28:47.580 --> 0:28:51.020 Dealing with family as an adult. I know you can 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.700 speak on that. Yeah, that. I mean, it's crazy. 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.080 Ken said the white man is smarter than the black man. 0:28:57.100 --> 0:28:57.560 That's crazy. 0:28:57.580 --> 0:28:59.440 The black man ain't as smart as the white man. 0:28:59.570 --> 0:29:02.390 I was like, damn, that's crazy. John's just happened to 0:29:02.410 --> 0:29:03.070 be broad and brute. 0:29:03.090 --> 0:29:26.080 Um, nah, I think, uh, I think that with him 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.580 changing over time, I want to come back to that. 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:30.709 There's something at the end of the episode, like a reveal, 0:29:30.710 --> 0:29:32.770 and I think it makes sense on why like he's 0:29:32.930 --> 0:29:34.050 kind of like loosening. 0:29:33.730 --> 0:29:38.990 Up a little bit. Um, but there was something else. 0:29:39.100 --> 0:29:39.390 Can't say. 0:29:39.430 --> 0:29:41.060 Yeah. I, I, I don't know. 0:29:41.180 --> 0:29:42.760 I don't know what the play is, but I think 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:44.580 John is smart enough that I don't think he just 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.320 going to give it a money. 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.480 I also think the sheriff got something to do with. 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.900 It. So, so that leads me to getting back to 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.000 where we are with the locks box situation. Because I 0:29:56.020 --> 0:29:57.480 was going to ask, do y'all think, and I'll start 0:29:57.500 --> 0:29:58.740 with you, Jason, since you brought it up. Do y'all 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:00.420 think it's a good idea for them to go to 0:30:00.460 --> 0:30:04.140 Sheriff Kelly, Carrie, instead of staying on point with the 0:30:04.180 --> 0:30:07.440 mission and finding Hal's killer? Like, Hal obviously calls the 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.000 audible because he's like, hold on, bro. There's another question 0:30:11.020 --> 0:30:12.900 I'm going to ask for that, but Hal calls the audible, right? 0:30:13.910 --> 0:30:15.750 And John's like, bro, I don't think you should do 0:30:15.770 --> 0:30:17.810 that because she already thinks, she knows you're dead, so 0:30:17.830 --> 0:30:19.450 this is not going to help. But he's like, fuck it. 0:30:19.670 --> 0:30:22.990 Let's just go to her. To your point, Jay, she 0:30:23.030 --> 0:30:24.050 seems too good to be true. 0:30:24.290 --> 0:30:27.980 You know what I mean? Yeah, that's why I think 0:30:28.010 --> 0:30:29.610 there's something else going on. 0:30:29.790 --> 0:30:33.650 I mean, you already have a sketchy feeling about it 0:30:33.670 --> 0:30:37.710 because of how she was acting at first with the Manhunter, 0:30:38.150 --> 0:30:41.910 with Zoe. And even though they try to ease it 0:30:42.010 --> 0:30:44.840 as she has good intentions because of how she was 0:30:44.860 --> 0:30:47.780 helping Hal in episode 5, I still feel like there's 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.840 something else that's going on that we really don't know 100% about. 0:30:53.380 --> 0:30:55.800 So yeah, I'm looking at it side-eye, but. 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.440 Before he got there, this is when he was... This 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.040 is before he did Sporty Odie. He did it after. Ken, 0:31:04.060 --> 0:31:04.730 what were your thoughts on. 0:31:04.740 --> 0:31:06.300 Was it sad for Hal to be... Even in a 0:31:06.300 --> 0:31:09.700 2006 Hal version, for him to be so lonely that 0:31:24.590 --> 0:31:27.290 He don't even care that somebody killed him. He cares 0:31:27.350 --> 0:31:30.230 more about, I had a bitty that I was in 0:31:30.290 --> 0:31:32.600 love with, and I never got the chance to meet her. 0:31:32.650 --> 0:31:34.270 I want to meet her. 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.400 Fuck me being dead for right now. I want to 0:31:36.420 --> 0:31:38.080 meet the love of my life. Was that kind of 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.360 sad based off of what we know about how lonely 0:31:40.380 --> 0:31:42.680 he is? Because even Sheriff Kerry mentioned that in a 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.880 previous episode. He's not a man who's not afraid. 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:46.620 He's just lonely. 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:47.260 You know what I. 0:31:49.220 --> 0:31:49.360 Mean? 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:56.850 Nah, I didn't... You ask Ken. You ask Ken. You're 0:31:57.050 --> 0:32:01.050 really getting in the way. I got 5% of you 0:32:01.070 --> 0:32:01.730 want to go on. 0:32:01.630 --> 0:32:04.150 This mission to do this shit that you can't do 0:32:04.170 --> 0:32:05.150 shit with. 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:06.810 Just so you can look at her. 0:32:06.820 --> 0:32:09.160 For what? 0:32:09.180 --> 0:32:11.840 You can't do anything with her, bro. 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.740 I don't know, Ken. He's a physical construct still. He 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.160 can be touched. He touched Don. 0:32:19.180 --> 0:32:23.160 He I mean, we'll get to it later, but Sheriff 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.220 Kerry touched him, too. Like, I don't know what's going 0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:28.240 on with him in general, but I know he's not 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:29.800 a he's not an astral projection. 0:32:32.770 --> 0:32:34.610 Yeah, OK, but you're right. 0:32:35.110 --> 0:32:36.330 He can touch and be touched. 0:32:37.710 --> 0:32:41.230 Well, it's time for these dummy missions, bro. 0:32:42.330 --> 0:32:45.670 You felt the same way hold on man that subconscious 0:32:45.690 --> 0:32:47.710 been locked up for a minute ken and you tell 0:32:47.730 --> 0:32:49.470 him when he come out i got a woman. 0:32:49.290 --> 0:32:52.140 Out here that loves me dearly you know what i'm 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.980 saying like shit man hey all. 0:32:54.880 --> 0:33:00.220 You needed three minutes hey he said he had to 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.510 son up all you need is three minutes he ain't 0:33:02.530 --> 0:33:07.850 need that long man if you are uh A hologram 0:33:07.910 --> 0:33:10.290 or subconscious that's been trapped away for about 20 years. 0:33:10.330 --> 0:33:11.790 What's the first thing you're thinking about when you get out? 0:33:11.930 --> 0:33:14.090 Yeah, we definitely want to see her. 0:33:14.130 --> 0:33:17.310 We definitely want to see her. 0:33:18.170 --> 0:33:20.410 But I'm with Ken, though. I didn't care about this. 0:33:20.450 --> 0:33:23.160 We're trying to solve this mission. You don't need to 0:33:23.190 --> 0:33:25.100 see her, bro. She ain't even got nothing to tell you. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.920 And I also think that there's something else going on where, 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:29.820 as Jalen was saying, too. 0:33:29.900 --> 0:33:30.090 It's too. 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:33.640 It's something there. 0:33:34.060 --> 0:33:35.920 They ain't, they like subtly. 0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.940 Saying it throughout all these episodes and they ain't really 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:39.530 coming out and revealing it. 0:33:39.540 --> 0:33:41.620 And I think it'll happen next episode. So it's something 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:41.980 about her. 0:33:43.710 --> 0:33:44.010 We'll see. 0:33:44.030 --> 0:33:44.990 We only got one episode left. 0:33:45.010 --> 0:33:47.570 So either she just good at, it's just a good 0:33:47.610 --> 0:33:50.750 person or she a piece of shit. Yeah. Um, we 0:33:50.770 --> 0:33:53.190 then see, uh, John and Hal driving to go see 0:33:53.210 --> 0:33:55.490 Sheriff Carrie. Uh, and during this drive, they have a 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:59.840 nice conversation, uh, where we see it happen after John 0:33:59.920 --> 0:34:06.070 denies or ignores a call from his mom. Lou, I 0:34:06.330 --> 0:34:08.930 still think my theory is up. It's still a good 0:34:08.950 --> 0:34:12.360 percent chance. I think Hal fucked his mama, bro. I 0:34:12.380 --> 0:34:14.739 think Hal fucked his mama because even back in the day, 0:34:14.780 --> 0:34:16.500 Hal was like, hold on, how did I even know 0:34:16.540 --> 0:34:17.319 your mama like that? 0:34:17.540 --> 0:34:20.160 Yep, he sure did. He sure did. 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.490 He said, because you told me I was in jail, 0:34:22.510 --> 0:34:25.089 so at what point in time did we have to 0:34:25.150 --> 0:34:25.970 get that close? 0:34:26.510 --> 0:34:28.510 I thought he was fucking snitch. 0:34:28.570 --> 0:34:32.529 I thought he was. Hey, you already know that I 0:34:32.670 --> 0:34:34.570 only got one girl that you know about. 0:34:34.770 --> 0:34:39.730 Once I find somebody, I make a relationship with them. 0:34:39.770 --> 0:34:40.630 We have relations. 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.279 I don't think Al fucked his mom. I'm telling you, 0:34:46.340 --> 0:34:48.759 I don't think he didn't either. Yeah, I don't think so. 0:34:48.780 --> 0:34:51.640 His mom was too, yeah, she ain't going for that. Well, 0:34:51.660 --> 0:34:53.479 let me ask you this question. White man, dead lady, 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:54.260 dead black lady. 0:34:54.340 --> 0:34:55.719 You remember her from season three? 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.260 She ain't fucking white, man. 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.600 I know from season, from episode three or whatever, she 0:35:02.620 --> 0:35:03.899 gave up on her husband quick. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.850 She lost respect for that nigga. So, hey, she, if 0:35:07.870 --> 0:35:08.489 you telling me. 0:35:08.410 --> 0:35:13.730 This, you know how some black women are, Lou? 0:35:13.830 --> 0:35:16.670 They try with black men and once they fail with them, 0:35:16.690 --> 0:35:17.989 they be like, listen, I'm just trying to go where 0:35:18.010 --> 0:35:18.379 I'm love. 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:22.700 I'm just trying to go where i'm loved that's how 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:23.940 they care make sure. 0:35:23.700 --> 0:35:26.960 He's no problems locked his ass up in some damn room. 0:35:26.700 --> 0:35:30.339 Somewhere exactly he ain't going nowhere to a house hey 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.700 you more disciplined locked up than outside i'll tell you 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:37.460 that but um it did make me think like lou 0:35:37.580 --> 0:35:41.110 to your uh to ask you another question john was 0:35:41.469 --> 0:35:45.680 damn near blushing and cheesing when Hal was like, damn, bro, like, 0:35:45.700 --> 0:35:47.719 I ain't like, how the hell are you even, we're 0:35:47.739 --> 0:35:50.030 still having this conversation in the ring on the dashboard. 0:35:50.070 --> 0:35:52.210 He said, that's great. He was like, bro, I ain't 0:35:52.230 --> 0:35:52.870 never had a compliment. 0:35:53.230 --> 0:35:55.250 Jay, he ain't never had a compliment all his life 0:35:55.290 --> 0:35:58.910 when we think about it. Except with cheeseburgers and, uh, 0:35:59.430 --> 0:36:00.860 ham hocks, nigga, like. 0:36:01.900 --> 0:36:03.180 Cheeseburgers and ham hocks. 0:36:03.580 --> 0:36:06.700 Yeah, Hal ain't never offering no compliment, though. He ain't 0:36:06.739 --> 0:36:09.640 never said that's good or anything like that. So, yeah, 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:14.109 I mean, even the piece of, like, telling him just 0:36:14.130 --> 0:36:17.279 being surprised, how surprised he was about it. Like, we 0:36:17.340 --> 0:36:20.240 recognized that Hal was surprised, but I don't think John 0:36:20.260 --> 0:36:22.379 really picked up how, like, powerful it was because Hal 0:36:22.420 --> 0:36:24.340 was really trying to hold all his cards to his chest. 0:36:24.950 --> 0:36:26.969 So, yeah, that nigga was. 0:36:27.870 --> 0:36:28.790 He wanted to smile. 0:36:28.830 --> 0:36:30.130 He wanted to be like a little kid. 0:36:30.170 --> 0:36:32.640 He wanted to be happy as hell. 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:33.320 Thanks, Dad. 0:36:33.340 --> 0:36:36.419 That's what he wanted to do. But he kept that 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.860 shit eternal. But yeah, I get why it caught. 0:36:39.739 --> 0:36:40.719 Him by surprise for sure. 0:36:40.739 --> 0:36:45.029 Because, Ken, is it fucked up to say Al is 0:36:45.070 --> 0:36:48.210 probably the closest father figure that he has? 0:36:49.210 --> 0:36:51.350 Don't be disrespectful. Listen, listen, listen. 0:36:51.430 --> 0:36:52.290 I'm only saying this. 0:36:57.050 --> 0:36:59.610 Because first of all, his real daddy was shooting apples 0:36:59.650 --> 0:37:02.009 off his head. So let's not act like he was 0:37:02.290 --> 0:37:03.470 the best father of the year. 0:37:03.690 --> 0:37:04.509 Jay, come on. 0:37:04.850 --> 0:37:07.810 And number two, I'm really thinking about it. And I 0:37:07.830 --> 0:37:10.370 could be pleased. People who are listening can correct me 0:37:10.390 --> 0:37:13.810 if I'm wrong. When did his parents ever really compliment 0:37:13.870 --> 0:37:18.739 him as far as like in that enthusiastic kind of 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:19.860 way about him just being. 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:22.170 him naturally talented. 0:37:22.290 --> 0:37:23.870 Like, even his mama, when he was drawing, she was like, 0:37:23.910 --> 0:37:25.170 I see what you're doing over there, but you better 0:37:25.210 --> 0:37:27.330 go make sure this don't fuck up with your studies 0:37:27.390 --> 0:37:28.030 with that ring. 0:37:28.250 --> 0:37:30.030 I feel like his dad. 0:37:30.950 --> 0:37:32.610 I feel like his dad gave him compliments every now 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:34.160 and then. Like, especially because his dad was the one 0:37:34.180 --> 0:37:35.940 that wanted to do cheeseburgers and all that stuff. Like, 0:37:35.980 --> 0:37:37.680 his dad would be, his dad would be proud of 0:37:37.700 --> 0:37:40.100 him when he did stuff and, like, smile. His mom 0:37:40.140 --> 0:37:43.020 was more, like, straight and narrow than his dad was, 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.060 you know what I'm saying? So, Yeah, I can't let 0:37:46.100 --> 0:37:47.580 you get away with that, man. Y'all shitting on the 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.640 black man today, bro. Y'all trying to uplift the white 0:37:49.660 --> 0:37:50.800 man like that. 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.899 I am only saying I haven't seen a positive reaction 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:56.319 like this from John. 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.029 Like you said, he was cheesing. 0:37:58.050 --> 0:38:00.830 Knowing what Hal put him through and all that stuff, 0:38:00.890 --> 0:38:04.250 being complimented in a way where it's really about you 0:38:04.290 --> 0:38:08.870 and your natural ability and talent, I don't remember, again, 0:38:08.969 --> 0:38:12.930 in this series so far where he's gotten just a flat-out, open, 0:38:13.030 --> 0:38:14.010 heavy-handed complimenting. 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:22.210 Well, as John reminded him, Hal also drove him off 0:38:22.270 --> 0:38:23.090 a cliff. 0:38:23.210 --> 0:38:27.379 All right, Ken, we're going to get to that. 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.120 He ain't that far away from his daddy. 0:38:36.510 --> 0:38:38.509 That's why I ask questions, kid. I just want to 0:38:38.550 --> 0:38:41.090 make sure that what I'm thinking is, is it getting 0:38:41.140 --> 0:38:41.839 fly or not? 0:38:41.860 --> 0:38:46.400 Obviously it can't fly like John, but, um, we then see, uh, 0:38:46.460 --> 0:38:48.940 Sheriff Kerry isn't at the station when they pull up 0:38:49.420 --> 0:38:52.000 because everybody's in town is going to the high school 0:38:52.500 --> 0:38:54.839 to see where her son was going to college. Um, 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.880 and instead of going straight there, they stop at the 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:04.310 Memorial site and Lou, uh, John is doing a habitual 0:39:04.350 --> 0:39:07.049 thing that, I don't know if it goes with his character, 0:39:07.090 --> 0:39:11.040 but I don't understand his reasoning. Like, why didn't he 0:39:11.100 --> 0:39:14.100 tell Hal that he killed a Manhunter? Like, why is he, like, 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:19.260 hiding information that is, like... Because even Hal was like, listen... 0:39:19.540 --> 0:39:22.989 And maybe we should take this as 2006 Hal, not 0:39:22.989 --> 0:39:26.009 2016 Hal, because those are clearly two different people. 0:39:26.030 --> 0:39:28.989 But how was I think I don't kill nobody so. 0:39:29.590 --> 0:39:33.270 What you are asking the wrong person because I definitely 0:39:33.310 --> 0:39:34.989 was gonna ask y'all about that I thought it was 0:39:35.030 --> 0:39:37.410 something that I was missing if he was asking him 0:39:38.140 --> 0:39:40.739 why um excuse me when he wouldn't tell him about 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.540 the manhunter and him killing him so I don't know 0:39:43.980 --> 0:39:46.740 I was surprised as you were about and I'm wondering 0:39:46.820 --> 0:39:49.080 where they taking this as far as the last episode 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.640 I don't get the the mystery. 0:39:51.340 --> 0:39:56.509 Behind behind john behind john not telling him yeah why 0:39:56.530 --> 0:40:00.770 didn't he just like he killed the manhunter yeah. 0:40:02.130 --> 0:40:04.170 I mean i think so i think a couple of 0:40:04.210 --> 0:40:07.759 things i think the main reason is if you tell 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.839 him that you killed a manhunter in a way you 0:40:10.860 --> 0:40:12.980 make yourself a suspect just because it's like oh you've 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.420 killed before so like you have the capability of killing 0:40:15.930 --> 0:40:20.400 and like At that moment, John still was thinking that 0:40:20.700 --> 0:40:21.800 Hal was thinking he was a suspect. 0:40:21.820 --> 0:40:22.739 Like, maybe he killed her. 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:23.900 You know what I'm saying? 0:40:23.940 --> 0:40:27.080 So, that's one part of it. But it's also just 0:40:27.100 --> 0:40:30.910 the judgment of, like, you killed a man, Hunter, from 0:40:30.950 --> 0:40:32.049 a person who does not kill. 0:40:32.590 --> 0:40:33.710 Maybe Hal killed himself? 0:40:34.510 --> 0:40:36.340 John was thinking that? No, no. 0:40:36.620 --> 0:40:39.320 I mean, I was thinking, remember how I asked John 0:40:39.340 --> 0:40:42.410 if he killed him? And even later on, John was like, yeah, 0:40:42.430 --> 0:40:44.089 then John brought up later on, like, you still think 0:40:44.130 --> 0:40:44.910 I'm the one to kill you? 0:40:44.930 --> 0:40:47.050 And then Hal was like, nah, I don't think I 0:40:47.210 --> 0:40:48.750 don't think it was you anymore. 0:40:49.190 --> 0:40:50.710 So I think a piece of it is like if 0:40:50.750 --> 0:40:52.989 you admit that I killed the manhunter and you was 0:40:53.010 --> 0:40:54.810 the last person to see me, it's like, oh, you 0:40:54.870 --> 0:40:55.790 are capable of killing. 0:40:55.830 --> 0:40:57.910 Like, maybe you were the one that killed me. It 0:40:57.930 --> 0:40:58.970 makes you look like a suspect. 0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:02.560 Um, and I, and again, this is somebody, somebody who 0:41:02.620 --> 0:41:04.620 does not kill and you kill, it's going, it's going, 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:05.469 it's going to look odd to them. 0:41:05.489 --> 0:41:09.350 It's going, it's going like. Even if you knew somebody. 0:41:09.410 --> 0:41:10.330 Yeah, he do kill. 0:41:10.370 --> 0:41:12.729 Wasn't he a sniper in the army or some shit? Yes, 0:41:12.750 --> 0:41:14.529 that's my point. But think about it. 0:41:14.570 --> 0:41:16.790 If you met somebody and you just kicking it with 0:41:16.810 --> 0:41:17.810 the homies, one of the homies is like, yeah, that 0:41:17.830 --> 0:41:19.489 nigga got a body. You're going to look at that 0:41:19.510 --> 0:41:21.430 nigga different. You can probably still be in the room. 0:41:21.910 --> 0:41:23.160 You can probably be in the room, but that nigga 0:41:23.180 --> 0:41:26.160 got a body. It ain't like you a killer. But 0:41:26.380 --> 0:41:28.120 if he were other killers, other killers are like, all right, 0:41:28.180 --> 0:41:28.700 nigga killer. 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:29.259 You know what I'm saying? 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:30.500 But he not that. 0:41:30.860 --> 0:41:32.040 You know what I'm saying? So you don't want to 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.420 put that person on edge by just saying, yeah, I 0:41:34.460 --> 0:41:35.640 killed him. I get what you're saying. 0:41:35.700 --> 0:41:36.259 I get what you're saying. 0:41:37.100 --> 0:41:37.219 Yeah. 0:41:37.700 --> 0:41:38.180 That is true. 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:40.239 Even if he was a sniper, Lou, and I'm in 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.800 the same room with somebody, like, oh, yeah, bro, I got, like, 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:44.219 45 kills. 0:41:44.430 --> 0:41:46.760 You know what I'm saying? That changed the energy. 0:41:46.780 --> 0:41:49.350 Like, this nigga ain't willing. Like, he's willing to go 0:41:49.370 --> 0:41:53.390 further than what you are in a common situation. Well, 0:41:53.410 --> 0:41:56.250 maybe not common situation, but in certain circumstances, he's willing 0:41:56.270 --> 0:41:58.830 to take you out the picture, period. And those are 0:41:59.150 --> 0:42:02.410 different individuals, especially when he just meeting a black man 0:42:02.430 --> 0:42:03.810 for the first time in Nebraska. 0:42:03.830 --> 0:42:06.070 And it's over his dead body. 0:42:06.130 --> 0:42:08.719 I'm looking at the nigga like, you suspect number one. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:09.110 I'm sorry. 0:42:09.660 --> 0:42:10.299 It is what it is. 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:12.819 I say a lot, but okay, yeah. 0:42:15.980 --> 0:42:19.180 But Ken, did you find it interesting that Hal looked 0:42:19.260 --> 0:42:23.149 at John or Hal was saying things about himself that 0:42:23.230 --> 0:42:25.529 we didn't feel like that was the case? Because when 0:42:25.590 --> 0:42:28.170 he was on the hunt for the Manhunter in 2016, 0:42:28.150 --> 0:42:31.629 he was about to kill that motherfucker. 0:42:31.650 --> 0:42:32.709 Wait, Hal said that? 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.460 Yeah, well, the hologram is 2006 Hal. 0:42:38.820 --> 0:42:41.880 And this is 20 years later, but the last interaction 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.360 he had with Hal was 2016. And obviously 2016 is 0:42:45.390 --> 0:42:48.170 when all the Manhunter shit happened. I'm thinking, I'm asking 0:42:48.190 --> 0:42:49.870 you the question as far as like, were you surprised 0:42:49.910 --> 0:42:53.390 to hear that 2006 Howl isn't a killer versus what 0:42:53.410 --> 0:42:55.590 we saw in 2016? 0:42:55.590 --> 0:42:59.430 Oh, um, yeah, yeah. 0:43:00.190 --> 0:43:03.130 And I don't know when the whole Sinestro thing happened, 0:43:03.170 --> 0:43:06.130 what year it happened. If it happened in between 2006, 2016, 0:43:06.130 --> 0:43:08.629 that changed him into the version he is, you know, today. 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:15.439 The one that we met. 0:43:15.460 --> 0:43:18.840 Um, but yeah, it was surprising that he was a 0:43:18.940 --> 0:43:23.870 little bit, you know, more, um, uh, softer, you know, and, 0:43:24.170 --> 0:43:25.890 and unwilling to do what was necessary. 0:43:28.730 --> 0:43:31.220 Yeah. I thought that, I don't know how that's going 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.360 to play back, but maybe that is what, as we 0:43:34.380 --> 0:43:37.540 get on with this episode, why he was, why John 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.540 gravitated towards him more towards the. 0:43:39.500 --> 0:43:39.859 End of this. 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.580 But we then see them driving to the high school 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:50.379 and Hal gets on John's nerves. And I'm glad we 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.930 got an original member of Dead End Hip Hop. Can 0:43:53.950 --> 0:43:57.430 you have an extensive background at reviewing raps? Please tell 0:43:57.450 --> 0:44:01.130 me what you thought about John when he was rapping Outkast. 0:44:02.610 --> 0:44:04.150 What was going through your mind? 0:44:06.110 --> 0:44:12.980 Mute. This television. He sounded like he's never... listened to 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.339 that song before. It was an awful version of karaoke, 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:20.500 and maybe he was doing whatever. But yeah, it was terrible. 0:44:20.739 --> 0:44:22.819 It was terrible. But it wasn't supposed to be good. 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:28.700 I take it. It was intentionally bad. But yeah, he really, Nick, 0:44:28.739 --> 0:44:30.530 needed to spend more time with his brothers. 0:44:35.070 --> 0:44:39.030 That was his first time rapping that song. He would 0:44:39.270 --> 0:44:41.859 have never done that in his life. We don't know 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.660 this song. Like, he ain't never done that. 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.600 Hey, Jay, you know what's funny going off what Louis said? 0:44:47.219 --> 0:44:49.540 I'm thinking they shot this scene before they did the 0:44:49.580 --> 0:44:53.600 flashback scene in episode three because they were like, we 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.500 got to put this in the storyline that he ain't 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.580 good at rapping and it's been happening since he was. 0:44:57.540 --> 0:45:00.620 A kid, especially when it comes to OutKast songs. 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.359 So we're going to put this scene in here because 0:45:03.380 --> 0:45:07.420 what we just shot was terribly garbage. 0:45:10.860 --> 0:45:12.300 I think you're just over-exaggerating. 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.739 I ain't really... I mean, I don't expect... I don't know. 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:17.339 Go ahead. 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.940 Go ahead and say it. Nah, nah, nah, Lou. He 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.200 was about to say something. Go ahead and say it. No, 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:26.410 it wasn't that crazy. That's what I'm saying. Don't turn yourself... 0:45:25.770 --> 0:45:26.330 Don't turn it off. 0:45:26.350 --> 0:45:29.250 Go ahead and say it. I just... I wasn't expecting much. 0:45:29.290 --> 0:45:29.850 You know what I'm saying? 0:45:29.870 --> 0:45:30.650 Like, niggas. 0:45:30.989 --> 0:45:33.419 Bro, niggas sound worse than a car, bro. Niggas be... 0:45:33.390 --> 0:45:35.520 I be in niggas' car and they be rapping shit. 0:45:35.540 --> 0:45:40.529 I be like... All right, homie. There's songs that I 0:45:40.550 --> 0:45:40.950 feel like. 0:45:40.910 --> 0:45:43.230 I'm very confident in when I'm rapping word for word, 0:45:43.250 --> 0:45:45.489 but there's other songs I'm like, yeah, this ain't good. 0:45:45.670 --> 0:45:48.069 I don't want nobody to hear me doing this, but 0:45:48.510 --> 0:45:49.169 I get y'all point. 0:45:49.210 --> 0:45:50.850 It wasn't great. I'm not saying it was great. It's 0:45:50.870 --> 0:45:53.950 just like I wasn't really bothered by it. It was 0:45:53.969 --> 0:45:56.390 just funny to me that Outkast was getting used again. 0:45:56.430 --> 0:46:01.240 That's all I cared about, honestly. Anytime Outkast is being used, 0:46:01.300 --> 0:46:03.319 I'm happy, bro. I didn't care that much. 0:46:03.780 --> 0:46:04.840 Put these young niggas on. 0:46:05.460 --> 0:46:08.180 You ain't even rapping like that though like you gotta 0:46:08.219 --> 0:46:11.180 like he was rapping too hard like that's the singing 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:12.720 part like you don't even like you could tell like 0:46:12.739 --> 0:46:15.250 you don't even when you sang in that part of 0:46:15.270 --> 0:46:17.489 it you don't even do it like it like you 0:46:17.510 --> 0:46:19.270 kind of do what the person on the song do 0:46:19.790 --> 0:46:20.529 he wouldn't. 0:46:20.390 --> 0:46:22.790 Yeah you do yeah you know I don't know what 0:46:22.810 --> 0:46:25.570 he was doing yeah it's almost like he was reading 0:46:25.630 --> 0:46:30.470 it from yeah yeah but what I will say Jalen 0:46:30.510 --> 0:46:34.009 though is that was that the second version and wasn't 0:46:34.050 --> 0:46:35.070 it playing on the radio. 0:46:35.739 --> 0:46:37.020 So, they getting paid. 0:46:37.660 --> 0:46:40.299 That being said, they don't need to be suing that 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:41.640 damn Overcast. 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.660 Bro, they can let that shit go. 0:46:44.700 --> 0:46:49.719 That's Overcast. Me and Nick on the other side of this. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.860 Nick, I heard they take some... Is the mic still on? 0:46:51.900 --> 0:46:54.540 And I'm not really on the side of this one, bro. 0:46:54.580 --> 0:46:57.109 I thought I was already suspicious of that shit from 0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:59.970 the get-go. Because I was like, bro, OutKast don't really 0:47:00.010 --> 0:47:02.609 just sue anybody. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, 0:47:02.630 --> 0:47:05.660 this is like... It may have happened before, but I rarely, 0:47:05.700 --> 0:47:08.180 rarely see them, like, be on top of, like, people 0:47:08.300 --> 0:47:10.530 doing shit like that. Once I found the context of it, 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.319 this nigga was told multiple times, bro, stop doing this shit, 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:14.480 otherwise we gonna sue you. 0:47:14.860 --> 0:47:15.779 And he keeps doing it? 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.049 All right, bro. You just getting what you asked for. 0:47:18.250 --> 0:47:20.310 And you antagonizing him. Like, at first, I was like, 0:47:20.330 --> 0:47:21.690 all right, it might be a mix-up, whatever. 0:47:22.210 --> 0:47:22.810 It is what it is. 0:47:22.830 --> 0:47:25.630 But he been antagonizing. Like, after they came, the lawsuit 0:47:25.650 --> 0:47:27.990 came out, he put Rest in Peace Rosa Parks. It's like, nigga, 0:47:28.010 --> 0:47:29.830 you ain't gotta be... If you feel this way, you 0:47:29.890 --> 0:47:31.469 ain't gotta be extra about this shit. 0:47:31.550 --> 0:47:31.750 Like. 0:47:32.290 --> 0:47:32.650 Come on. 0:47:32.750 --> 0:47:35.190 And that poster he just made. And I guess it's 0:47:35.210 --> 0:47:39.100 different for us. You know what's crazy, Nick? Overcast is 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:39.860 our generation. 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:44.799 And you would think it would be the opposite because 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.919 Outkast is basically their generation. They would listen to Outkast 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.430 outside with Outkast. And we got Overcast right now. We 0:47:52.450 --> 0:47:54.069 should be advocating for him. But I just feel like 0:47:54.410 --> 0:47:56.250 this is one of them situations where it's like, bro, 0:47:56.910 --> 0:47:59.290 it's an easy fix out of respect for Cast. 0:47:59.730 --> 0:48:00.469 Just do it. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:02.040 Here's the thing. 0:48:02.340 --> 0:48:06.640 Everything you guys said was true after they approached him. 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.290 I'm saying they never should have approached him. This shit 0:48:10.330 --> 0:48:13.110 is fucking stupid. They never should have even went to 0:48:13.150 --> 0:48:15.490 him and said, hey, man, that looks a little iffy. 0:48:15.530 --> 0:48:17.830 How about you changing that? I get a kid's going 0:48:17.850 --> 0:48:19.390 to be a kid and react that way, but why 0:48:19.550 --> 0:48:21.509 are they being this damn petty? They never should have 0:48:21.530 --> 0:48:22.390 been petty from the jump. 0:48:22.890 --> 0:48:23.470 It's different. 0:48:23.530 --> 0:48:25.910 And you know why it's different for OutKast? And I 0:48:25.950 --> 0:48:27.890 know people be like, well, there's other rappers who do this. 0:48:28.210 --> 0:48:30.980 It's different if you're an active rapper like When you 0:48:31.020 --> 0:48:34.069 see Overcast... Honestly, this is my truth. When I first 0:48:34.130 --> 0:48:36.190 saw the name, I thought it was something with Outkast 0:48:36.390 --> 0:48:39.610 because I'm not getting any more Outkast music. We're settled 0:48:39.630 --> 0:48:42.030 in the fact that we're never probably ever getting Outkast music. 0:48:42.550 --> 0:48:44.759 So when you see the name, you get excited. Even 0:48:44.820 --> 0:48:48.219 if it's off the idea that it was Outkast. You 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:49.700 see the name, you get excited a little bit because 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.840 you're like, oh shit, Outkast got some shit? Or Outkast 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.020 involved with something? You get excited off of that. So 0:48:54.060 --> 0:48:56.200 even if it's a mix-up for a second, it has 0:48:56.219 --> 0:48:59.310 your attention. That's the difference as compared to another active rapper. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:05.040 Because I can clearly see that being an R. 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.640 He said in an interview with Variety that it happens 0:49:08.700 --> 0:49:08.980 a lot. 0:49:10.180 --> 0:49:10.700 That's great. 0:49:10.739 --> 0:49:14.010 His name get mixed up. 0:49:14.070 --> 0:49:15.610 And when people get mixed up, they go check and 0:49:15.630 --> 0:49:17.310 see what it is after you don't look like you 0:49:17.330 --> 0:49:19.469 already looked at it. So now you're basically living off 0:49:19.510 --> 0:49:21.730 the name of Alcatraz. Like it's like, well, bro, like shit, 0:49:21.750 --> 0:49:25.040 let me make it. I know this is a random segue. 0:49:25.060 --> 0:49:26.859 We're going to go back to the show. Last thing 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.580 I'll say is, it's funny, Lou is willing to fight 0:49:29.820 --> 0:49:33.820 a coach over pulling his son in a baseball game, 0:49:34.180 --> 0:49:37.680 but he don't understand why niggas is suing over money 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:41.380 that I was supposed to be potentially getting. I don't 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.549 think I said that. You said, like, I don't get it. 0:49:44.550 --> 0:49:47.029 I don't get why they suing him. Anytime somebody is 0:49:47.050 --> 0:49:48.290 potentially getting away with me and. 0:49:48.250 --> 0:49:49.850 My money, Yes, bro. 0:49:49.870 --> 0:49:52.210 We're going to have to have a conversation. And he 0:49:52.230 --> 0:49:53.669 was nice about it. He said, like, bro, just stop 0:49:53.690 --> 0:49:55.989 doing the changing name. He even agreed to changing a 0:49:56.030 --> 0:49:57.629 part of his name so it could stand out more. 0:49:57.890 --> 0:49:59.700 He ain't do none of that shit. So now he's 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:03.420 being disrespectful. That's not impacting their money. But to me, 0:50:03.420 --> 0:50:04.259 it's not the money part. 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:08.200 It's just the reputation part. Like, people start coming, like, 0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:10.620 they see the name and he did something fucked up. 0:50:10.900 --> 0:50:11.799 You know what I'm saying? 0:50:11.820 --> 0:50:14.540 Now, they don't really look deep into it, but they 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:18.050 just associate him with their brand, bro. I think that 0:50:18.070 --> 0:50:25.250 shit matters, dog. I think it matters. 0:50:26.530 --> 0:50:28.370 Moving past the last thing we talked about with Hal 0:50:28.410 --> 0:50:31.150 and John at the memorial scene, as soon as we 0:50:31.210 --> 0:50:35.210 see John pull up to high school trying to go 0:50:35.250 --> 0:50:39.840 meet up with Sheriff Kerry, this is where begging-ass Maggie 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:44.840 come around, knocking on his door. Lou, we kind of 0:50:44.860 --> 0:50:49.180 already talked about this, but Do you really think he's 0:50:49.219 --> 0:50:49.950 going to give her the money? 0:50:52.050 --> 0:50:53.430 Yeah. I don't see how he's going to get out 0:50:53.469 --> 0:50:54.069 of it at this point. 0:50:54.770 --> 0:50:56.509 Does he need to? Does he need to? 0:50:56.550 --> 0:51:00.549 I should ask you probably. Oh, hell no. I wouldn't 0:51:00.610 --> 0:51:02.330 give her shit. I wouldn't give her shit. 0:51:02.770 --> 0:51:06.110 And him needing to in a sense of the character 0:51:06.130 --> 0:51:08.109 of the show, what happens if he doesn't? Is she 0:51:08.150 --> 0:51:10.950 going to go tell the sheriff? And then the sheriff 0:51:10.969 --> 0:51:12.370 is going to think he's lying, but they still ain't 0:51:12.390 --> 0:51:13.629 going to be able to put two and two together 0:51:13.650 --> 0:51:16.310 that he killed nobody. So the bigger question would just be, well, 0:51:16.330 --> 0:51:18.719 why'd you lie? It ain't never it ain't going to 0:51:18.940 --> 0:51:21.440 ultimately end up to him being like put in jail 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:22.239 and no shit like this. 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.930 And I wouldn't give it a 300. I disagree. It's 0:51:25.630 --> 0:51:26.969 in Nebraska and his white folks. 0:51:27.270 --> 0:51:30.529 It leads to that. 0:51:30.860 --> 0:51:32.260 But I was just going to go off of Ken's 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:37.220 point that kind of even accelerates that. Sheriff Carey don't 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.120 give a fuck. She willing to lock this nigga up 0:51:39.739 --> 0:51:43.469 over regular town fights. She will definitely have to lock 0:51:43.489 --> 0:51:46.089 that nigga up for a murder of a white man, 0:51:46.350 --> 0:51:47.989 regardless if they like that white man or not. 0:51:48.390 --> 0:51:49.120 That's just off GP. 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:53.620 Yeah, I agree with that, but I still don't think... Like, 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.919 the word... What's the word of that little girl going 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.860 to do? Just say she lying. Are we really keeping 0:51:58.880 --> 0:51:59.940 a book? 0:51:59.960 --> 0:52:02.160 Who they going to believe? 0:52:02.219 --> 0:52:04.540 A white girl that was born and raised there or 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.680 a black nigga that came out of nowhere and was 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.790 a part of the shit? 0:52:09.870 --> 0:52:11.910 Yeah, that wrecked they fucking town. 0:52:12.390 --> 0:52:15.690 Hell they're gonna believe her how much i. 0:52:15.630 --> 0:52:18.350 Don't know hey listen i don't know this little meth 0:52:18.370 --> 0:52:21.190 smoking waitress from this small town bro y'all ain't she 0:52:21.250 --> 0:52:22.589 ain't getting shit off for me. 0:52:22.510 --> 0:52:25.270 It don't matter what you know nigga it don't matter 0:52:25.330 --> 0:52:29.390 what you know it's what we think nigga jay i 0:52:29.489 --> 0:52:31.880 should ask him this question this is gonna be an 0:52:31.969 --> 0:52:34.219 easier question right we gonna get right to it lou 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:35.540 how much money are you willing to pay to not 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:36.180 go to jail. 0:52:38.260 --> 0:52:42.930 How much do it cost? Just tell me how much 0:52:43.050 --> 0:52:43.770 it cost. 0:52:43.870 --> 0:52:44.430 It cost $ 315, 000. 0:52:44.310 --> 0:52:45.230 Yeah, yeah. 0:52:45.590 --> 0:52:48.870 All right. That's all he thinking about. 0:52:48.890 --> 0:52:49.750 Hey, listen. 0:52:49.770 --> 0:52:51.109 And he transferring that money. 0:52:51.140 --> 0:52:52.660 It ain't like it hurt. It sounded like it hurt. 0:52:52.700 --> 0:52:54.100 It didn't sound like it hurt. 0:52:54.180 --> 0:52:56.500 Yeah, it was a large sum, but it didn't sound like, damn, nigga, 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:58.900 you about to take my savings. It was like, nigga, what? 0:52:59.020 --> 0:52:59.620 Like, yeah. 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:00.600 Like, nah. 0:53:00.700 --> 0:53:02.820 And of course, it's going to go over easy if 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.610 it's like, do you have $ 315, 000 to stay out of jail? 0:53:04.630 --> 0:53:05.130 Oh, yeah, I got that. 0:53:07.590 --> 0:53:08.969 I'm going to give it to you willingly. I ain't 0:53:08.989 --> 0:53:11.810 thinking about it hurting. I'm thinking about me not hurting 0:53:11.850 --> 0:53:12.609 if I go to jail. 0:53:13.950 --> 0:53:15.120 That's a good one. 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:21.960 Well, at this point, she's committing a crime herself. So 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:23.299 he can flip that back on her. 0:53:24.210 --> 0:53:24.950 Oh, so you. 0:53:24.890 --> 0:53:25.670 Want him to snitch now? 0:53:26.230 --> 0:53:26.570 Yeah. 0:53:26.610 --> 0:53:28.810 He going to snitch on the snitch? 0:53:29.790 --> 0:53:29.989 Yes. 0:53:31.550 --> 0:53:34.190 She came to me, pressed me about needing money in 0:53:34.250 --> 0:53:34.910 order to do this. 0:53:34.969 --> 0:53:37.730 Yes, she committed a crime. She actually committed a crime. 0:53:37.850 --> 0:53:42.980 I did not. But I'm with you, Lou. That watch gone, bro. 0:53:44.170 --> 0:53:47.649 That watch gone bro she done smoked all that. 0:53:47.570 --> 0:53:50.370 Shit hey he was flossing it Lou like he just 0:53:50.550 --> 0:53:53.430 asked about this the last week nigga what the fuck 0:53:53.489 --> 0:53:55.910 is you flossing it for I was thinking the same 0:53:55.989 --> 0:53:58.220 thing Nick I was like damn not watching this shot 0:53:58.300 --> 0:53:59.419 bro like why not watch all. 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:00.779 Of this shot Nick did it on purpose because I 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.000 thought the same I was like no I didn't watch. 0:54:02.820 --> 0:54:04.839 Yeah I was like we didn't see it for most 0:54:04.900 --> 0:54:06.799 of the episode it just came out of nowhere like 0:54:06.820 --> 0:54:09.299 well damn that nigga just he really stunting in front 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.290 of her Like, yeah, I would have done the same thing. 0:54:12.310 --> 0:54:14.170 You owe me money and you came up here with 0:54:14.210 --> 0:54:14.850 some new kicks. 0:54:15.350 --> 0:54:16.690 Let me see that. Let me see that there. 0:54:16.710 --> 0:54:17.810 You can't negotiate with terrorists, bro. 0:54:17.830 --> 0:54:19.230 You pay them that they're going to come back and 0:54:19.250 --> 0:54:19.549 ask for more. 0:54:32.170 --> 0:54:36.200 I was like, bro, you not tripping over this shit? 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:37.920 I'm going to. 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.160 Prolong how long I got to to stay out of jail, 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:40.600 my boy. 0:54:40.620 --> 0:54:44.140 I negotiate as long as it take me to stay 0:54:44.219 --> 0:54:46.980 out of jail. I got to keep moving until I 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.690 figure something out, brother. You'll give up the J's off 0:54:50.710 --> 0:54:52.310 your feet if the cops was like. 0:54:52.850 --> 0:54:54.170 You can either give me your shoes or you're going 0:54:54.190 --> 0:54:54.529 to jail. 0:54:59.670 --> 0:55:01.390 You know I was in a situation where they said 0:55:01.410 --> 0:55:03.029 you can either do this or you're going to jail. 0:55:03.130 --> 0:55:05.010 I got pins on deck to this day. 0:55:05.030 --> 0:55:07.150 I got a pin right here next to me. I 0:55:07.190 --> 0:55:11.050 got a pin right here. I've always prepared to sign something. 0:55:11.130 --> 0:55:12.049 Please, I ain't going to jail. 0:55:24.410 --> 0:55:27.660 Like y'all bullshitting right now that's why i'm asking these 0:55:27.700 --> 0:55:31.319 questions i ain't bullshit i told y'all i tell niggas 0:55:31.340 --> 0:55:33.239 all the time don't do no crimes with me i 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.100 ain't going to jail for nobody if i go it's 0:55:36.140 --> 0:55:38.000 gonna be for me only and if i can find 0:55:38.020 --> 0:55:39.739 a way out of that i'm finding a way out 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.410 it ain't going to nobody. 0:55:41.700 --> 0:55:43.690 Oh man um. 0:55:45.430 --> 0:55:48.000 Yeah, so after John gets shaked down by Maggie, we 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:52.120 see that Noah wasted everybody's time gathering because he was like, nigga, 0:55:52.140 --> 0:55:52.840 we got a game. 0:55:52.900 --> 0:55:55.120 We got a game this Friday. I ain't going to 0:55:55.140 --> 0:55:55.680 make a decision. 0:55:55.700 --> 0:55:57.920 What type of nigga would come and do that? You know, 0:55:57.980 --> 0:56:00.279 it's so important, this game. Man, bitch, you knew all 0:56:00.300 --> 0:56:01.500 that before we came in here. 0:56:01.900 --> 0:56:04.410 You don't wait until the last minute. 0:56:04.489 --> 0:56:06.390 Get the fuck out of here. 0:56:06.469 --> 0:56:08.170 I got 150 people coming. I'm going to pay all 0:56:08.190 --> 0:56:09.490 that money for this damn food. 0:56:09.770 --> 0:56:10.450 And here you go. 0:56:10.489 --> 0:56:12.250 You ask me why I don't have kids, kid. 0:56:12.270 --> 0:56:14.830 That's why. That's one of the reasons. 0:56:14.910 --> 0:56:16.950 We have a little dude with a fault. 0:56:16.969 --> 0:56:19.730 Like, bro, we going outside. 0:56:19.790 --> 0:56:21.710 First of all, you would never have a white son. 0:56:23.450 --> 0:56:27.020 Second of all, he probably only said that because of 0:56:27.060 --> 0:56:28.399 what John told him last week. 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:29.319 Or was it last week? 0:56:29.340 --> 0:56:32.719 Where he was like, Don't let anybody force you to 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:34.580 make a decision on daytime. 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:35.960 It's your decision. 0:56:37.100 --> 0:56:40.680 Nick, as a parent in that situation, I don't give 0:56:40.739 --> 0:56:46.030 a fuck. You better make a fucking decision. He going 0:56:46.130 --> 0:56:49.270 to make a decision today. If he don't make a decision, 0:56:49.390 --> 0:56:51.029 I made a decision that this is where he going 0:56:51.050 --> 0:56:52.210 and this is what we celebrating. 0:56:52.469 --> 0:56:53.890 He ain't doing this shit over again. 0:56:54.610 --> 0:56:56.730 Whatever he say, after the fact, y'all can take whatever 0:56:56.750 --> 0:56:58.870 y'all want to, but the decision going to be made today. 0:56:59.570 --> 0:57:01.150 Like, that was some bullshit. 0:57:01.310 --> 0:57:03.689 Like, white people different if they let that shit go down. 0:57:03.890 --> 0:57:04.160 Nah. 0:57:04.930 --> 0:57:05.140 Yeah. 0:57:05.380 --> 0:57:07.299 Because that's a teachable moment. I was like, you can 0:57:07.340 --> 0:57:08.180 correct me if I'm wrong. 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:08.899 Teachable? 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:10.279 Yeah, you're right. 0:57:10.300 --> 0:57:12.460 You can correct me if I'm wrong here, but nah, nigga, 0:57:12.500 --> 0:57:13.520 it's time to make a decision. 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.000 Life don't work that way. You don't get to keep kicking. 0:57:16.020 --> 0:57:17.860 We just talked about this Sunday. You don't get to 0:57:17.900 --> 0:57:19.560 keep kicking the can down the road, bro. 0:57:19.940 --> 0:57:22.560 This is the day. The decision's supposed to be made. 0:57:22.740 --> 0:57:25.580 Everybody's here. Make the decision. You can change your mind. 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.300 That's fine. But you're making a decision today, buddy. 0:57:28.980 --> 0:57:37.540 We sound black as hell. 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.140 But I'm standing on it. Yeah, that was crazy. 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.280 I didn't mind it because he did make a decision. 0:57:44.820 --> 0:57:49.020 He said not today. And hey, Lou, Lou, what's the 0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:50.840 what's one of the best things about being Mr. 0:57:50.860 --> 0:57:51.140 Nigga? 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.990 Do whatever you want. And he's Mr. 0:57:55.010 --> 0:57:57.420 Nigga in the town. He's the greatest thing to happen 0:57:57.440 --> 0:57:58.000 to that town. 0:57:58.420 --> 0:58:00.020 He ain't Mr. Nigga in his house, though. 0:58:00.260 --> 0:58:00.680 He ain't Mr. 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:01.130 Nigga in his house. 0:58:01.150 --> 0:58:01.390 He ain't Mr. 0:58:01.390 --> 0:58:03.990 Nigga answering to his mom and his wife every time. 0:58:04.010 --> 0:58:04.070 Mr. 0:58:04.070 --> 0:58:06.180 Nigga don't bother answering to his mom and his wife. 0:58:07.060 --> 0:58:07.260 Mm-hmm. 0:58:08.700 --> 0:58:10.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.880 He ain't got nothing to say to that. If he 0:58:13.900 --> 0:58:15.680 was black, he'd know damn well he was making a 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:16.340 decision because. 0:58:16.180 --> 0:58:19.480 He ain't going home. He ain't going back home. It 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:20.100 don't matter. 0:58:20.220 --> 0:58:23.660 He told me early on in this episode, quit comparing 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:24.580 black people to white people. 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:28.300 He going to do it. No, I'm saying you, nigga. 0:58:28.380 --> 0:58:28.840 You know. 0:58:29.100 --> 0:58:31.380 I'm just saying I don't mind him doing it. He's 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.320 a white boy. He learned he got white privilege today. 0:58:34.660 --> 0:58:36.420 That's what he looked at. He was like, listen, I 0:58:36.420 --> 0:58:37.240 don't have to do shit. 0:58:38.410 --> 0:58:39.270 It's how this shit work. 0:58:41.290 --> 0:58:45.270 Took a black man to remind him. 0:58:46.850 --> 0:58:53.240 We then see that John takes care of Carrie to 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.380 the science room for her to finally meet and have 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:57.860 an interaction with Halle Graham Howe. 0:58:58.940 --> 0:59:00.300 Ken, what did you think about this scene? 0:59:03.780 --> 0:59:04.720 We could have did without it. 0:59:05.610 --> 0:59:10.400 Um what i did think was funny was when he 0:59:10.420 --> 0:59:13.300 was trying to talk low 315 000 he got that 0:59:13.340 --> 0:59:15.120 much money. 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:19.000 That shit was funny walking into the room. That was 0:59:19.020 --> 0:59:19.740 some nigga shit. 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:20.720 That's what I'm saying. 0:59:20.740 --> 0:59:23.080 That's some nigga shit. 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:23.580 Really? 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:23.860 What? 0:59:24.180 --> 0:59:26.340 Because we would have definitely done. 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:28.580 It. 0:59:28.890 --> 0:59:32.810 And after all of that shit, when she finally was like, hey, man, 0:59:32.850 --> 0:59:34.410 we got the fucking gold, bro. 0:59:34.590 --> 0:59:37.250 Like, you done sat here. You done did your shit. 0:59:37.290 --> 0:59:38.350 She done did your shit. 0:59:38.650 --> 0:59:41.150 We on the fucking clock. And you sit here doing 0:59:41.190 --> 0:59:44.590 all this dumb ass shit. And now you, because of you, 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.820 she wants to come along with us. no I got 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:52.720 what you said sundown sun up whatever it was no 0:59:52.740 --> 0:59:55.180 we gotta go I don't got time for this sentimental 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.310 shit that you doing but y'all stupid as fuck why 0:59:59.390 --> 1:00:03.630 because he snitched on his damn self earlier cause that's 1:00:03.650 --> 1:00:05.610 when she found out he stole that god damn ring 1:00:06.850 --> 1:00:09.580 and dug him up cause he found out the ring 1:00:09.620 --> 1:00:11.920 was run out of power and he snitched on himself 1:00:12.500 --> 1:00:14.580 when he dug that shit up so now he. 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:18.880 A thief he's not He can't charge it. 1:00:18.980 --> 1:00:20.080 Nah, he got to have the lantern. 1:00:20.100 --> 1:00:22.100 He got to find the battery. Yeah. He ain't got that. 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:22.400 Yeah. 1:00:23.380 --> 1:00:25.100 Ain't it in Hell House? He went to go get it. 1:00:25.900 --> 1:00:27.959 Nah, remember he gave back the lantern and the ring 1:00:27.980 --> 1:00:30.470 to the blue people, the blue lady, white lady. 1:00:30.510 --> 1:00:31.050 The guardians. 1:00:32.230 --> 1:00:32.990 Oh, okay, gosh. 1:00:33.590 --> 1:00:34.070 Okay. 1:00:34.090 --> 1:00:36.290 So, Guy was only able to get the ring back 1:00:36.390 --> 1:00:38.690 because it was decommissioned. He ain't bringing the lantern because 1:00:38.710 --> 1:00:39.689 there'd be no point in bringing the lantern. 1:00:39.710 --> 1:00:41.070 Why would you need the lantern? You don't need to 1:00:41.110 --> 1:00:42.390 charge it because it'll go down, gosh. 1:00:43.950 --> 1:00:47.070 But, Jay, uh, I thought this scene was funny or 1:00:47.090 --> 1:00:51.620 this scene was interesting and kind of sweet. But I 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:53.000 thought it was funny because Hal, as soon as he 1:00:53.020 --> 1:00:54.400 got in the car, he was like, hey, I don't 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:57.620 trust that bitch. She has something to do with it. 1:00:57.660 --> 1:01:00.680 He's like, you see the way she touched me? You 1:01:00.700 --> 1:01:02.780 see the way she touched me? You see the way 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:05.220 she looked? He's like, I know that motherfucker. Guilty as hell. 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:08.060 She's suspect. He said, I'm taking your ass off the list. 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:09.340 And you know what they say, Jay? 1:01:10.990 --> 1:01:13.150 Most likely your spouse is the one that killed you 1:01:13.170 --> 1:01:13.910 if you get murdered. 1:01:15.570 --> 1:01:18.110 Yeah, yeah. Always a significant other. 1:01:18.570 --> 1:01:20.550 Yeah, it was, but it was, I'm pretty sure it's 1:01:20.570 --> 1:01:23.050 something she said that really made how, like, I ain't 1:01:23.070 --> 1:01:23.830 tell you that shit. 1:01:24.330 --> 1:01:27.410 Like, it was, it was something. It was something when he. 1:01:27.350 --> 1:01:28.210 Was asking me questions. 1:01:28.790 --> 1:01:30.310 Didn't he ask you, did I tell you about my dad? 1:01:30.330 --> 1:01:31.850 Yeah, he did ask her. 1:01:32.010 --> 1:01:32.610 She said, yeah. 1:01:33.390 --> 1:01:35.220 Yeah, she don't think he would, that's probably what gave 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:36.700 it away because I don't think he would have told her. 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:39.880 I think he would have. Didn't the dad tell her 1:01:39.900 --> 1:01:42.380 don't tell nobody? Oh, he just told John. He just 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:42.760 told John. 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:45.520 At first, I thought that's what it was. I thought 1:01:45.540 --> 1:01:48.110 it was that at first. But I still think it 1:01:48.140 --> 1:01:49.620 was something they gave it away. 1:01:50.150 --> 1:01:53.030 You know what I'm saying? I don't know what it was, but. 1:01:52.850 --> 1:01:55.970 He definitely felt like, yeah, this was cute. But now 1:01:56.010 --> 1:01:58.630 you did something like. But they did talk a lot. 1:01:58.710 --> 1:02:02.090 I mean, they did have enough interactions because one, he 1:02:02.230 --> 1:02:05.050 always cared about her. And we know based off of 1:02:05.270 --> 1:02:06.990 what we know about how is that, bro? He don't 1:02:07.130 --> 1:02:09.250 trust anybody. And the people that he does is for 1:02:09.270 --> 1:02:12.300 a good reason. So the fact that he was writing 1:02:12.340 --> 1:02:14.320 to her when she was still married, he's a Dirty 1:02:14.380 --> 1:02:15.280 Mac for sure. 1:02:15.340 --> 1:02:16.320 Hall of Fame, Lou. 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:19.340 I locked up for 10 years and you stayed writing 1:02:19.360 --> 1:02:19.880 to my wife. 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:21.620 After she said stop. 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:29.510 Dirty Mac. Dirty Mac. Dirty Mac. Mount Rushmore Hall of Fame. 1:02:29.630 --> 1:02:30.470 Al Jordan's on there. 1:02:30.850 --> 1:02:31.370 But, um. 1:02:32.450 --> 1:02:34.730 He always wrote to her. And then the first place 1:02:34.770 --> 1:02:35.990 he wanted to go to when he got out of 1:02:36.010 --> 1:02:36.709 jail was Rush. 1:02:36.810 --> 1:02:37.490 He went back there. 1:02:38.150 --> 1:02:41.310 I'm saying this, Jay. I feel like he trusted her 1:02:41.590 --> 1:02:43.800 enough and he loved her enough that he gave her 1:02:43.860 --> 1:02:45.260 his all because that's all he had left. 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:46.360 He didn't have the ring no more. 1:02:46.380 --> 1:02:46.840 He was just out. 1:02:47.780 --> 1:02:50.860 And she gave him some pussy. So he gave, I mean, like, 1:02:51.060 --> 1:02:56.680 I mean, I mean, what we saying? You know, like, shit, 1:02:56.720 --> 1:02:58.100 this the one that's holding you down. 1:02:58.120 --> 1:02:59.280 So it's like, all right, like. 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:01.460 But you still think he killed, like, you still think, 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:03.090 you still with him? Like, you think she had something 1:03:03.110 --> 1:03:03.570 to do with it? 1:03:05.470 --> 1:03:07.550 I think she a suspect. Something's off with her, bro. 1:03:08.330 --> 1:03:13.370 And the fact, you know what? I, the way she 1:03:14.110 --> 1:03:17.270 was like, I still got to go to this house 1:03:17.290 --> 1:03:18.190 and deal with this party. 1:03:18.210 --> 1:03:20.150 And she made it seem like they got to be 1:03:20.170 --> 1:03:22.070 there for a while or whatever. And she was more 1:03:22.150 --> 1:03:24.690 adamant about going to the safe as compared to being like, 1:03:24.790 --> 1:03:25.790 are you going to come back and see me? 1:03:26.650 --> 1:03:28.430 I think she needed to see like she needed to 1:03:28.470 --> 1:03:30.550 see the evidence there. I think that was that. 1:03:30.590 --> 1:03:31.680 I think that was the thing that kind of hit 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:33.820 to me is that she she felt like she needed 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:34.640 to go to make sure she. 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:38.080 Saw all the evidence that didn't point to her. Because 1:03:39.420 --> 1:03:40.720 you could have easily just been like. 1:03:41.290 --> 1:03:43.670 Most women in this, well, at least from the shows 1:03:43.710 --> 1:03:45.150 we see, most women would be like, are you going 1:03:45.170 --> 1:03:45.890 to come back and see me? 1:03:45.910 --> 1:03:47.570 Like, how much time do you have? Can I see 1:03:47.610 --> 1:03:48.660 you later? Like, you know what I'm saying? 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:50.540 They don't be on some, they be like, you got 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:52.280 to go handle your business, go do that. But do 1:03:52.300 --> 1:03:53.780 you have time to make, do you have time to 1:03:53.820 --> 1:03:55.440 make time for me? You know what I'm saying? 1:03:55.860 --> 1:03:56.520 She wasn't on that. 1:03:56.540 --> 1:03:57.960 She was more so like, y'all come with me so 1:03:57.980 --> 1:04:00.280 I can keep my eyes on y'all type shit. So 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.440 that's the thing that kind of made me feel like, yeah, 1:04:02.460 --> 1:04:04.320 she probably did have something to do with him getting shot. 1:04:04.580 --> 1:04:06.180 The only thing I'm really thinking about now, as you 1:04:06.220 --> 1:04:10.070 were saying that, is that the description of the mortician is, 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:13.620 When they did the autopsy, it was like, yeah, he 1:04:13.660 --> 1:04:15.720 was shot at gunpoint, but it was close, like someone 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:18.580 closer to him. Maybe, and then going with the context 1:04:18.620 --> 1:04:21.640 of this episode, maybe he asked her to kill him. 1:04:23.660 --> 1:04:25.960 That may be a stretch, but like... You know what 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:26.460 I'm saying? 1:04:26.780 --> 1:04:27.760 But, Ken. 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:29.500 Or... Or, go ahead, go ahead. 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:29.580 Or. 1:04:29.580 --> 1:04:34.260 Because, you know, it was interesting that he said that, 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:39.450 because I saw, maybe on our Reddit or somewhere, that somebody... 1:04:40.070 --> 1:04:43.090 suspected that she did it. And, you know, I was 1:04:43.110 --> 1:04:45.550 just like, yeah, I was just talking. But no, that 1:04:45.660 --> 1:04:49.420 motherfucker did it. I was like, oh, shit. That is 1:04:49.500 --> 1:04:52.160 a thing that I guess it confirmed what they were saying. 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:56.620 I'm leaning towards a little bit of what you're saying, Nick, 1:04:57.420 --> 1:05:01.310 but not in the exact same way. And I'm also 1:05:01.410 --> 1:05:04.050 adding in what he said about his dad as well, 1:05:04.490 --> 1:05:06.330 or the story where we know about his dad. 1:05:07.790 --> 1:05:11.590 Is that He probably didn't, but he probably used the ring. 1:05:11.410 --> 1:05:16.010 To do it, to hold the gun from in front 1:05:16.030 --> 1:05:16.230 of him. 1:05:16.410 --> 1:05:17.770 But he had a ring at this time. 1:05:18.770 --> 1:05:19.410 Damn, he didn't. 1:05:19.750 --> 1:05:20.450 No, he didn't. 1:05:20.470 --> 1:05:21.030 He did have a ring. 1:05:21.090 --> 1:05:21.590 I thought he did. 1:05:21.610 --> 1:05:22.330 He was looking for the ring. 1:05:22.370 --> 1:05:24.070 I thought he did. You're right. You're right. You're right. 1:05:24.450 --> 1:05:26.669 Never mind. It wasn't on his finger. 1:05:26.970 --> 1:05:27.790 It wasn't on his finger. 1:05:28.110 --> 1:05:30.390 For one and two, he just got out of jail. 1:05:30.410 --> 1:05:31.180 He ain't got the ring. 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:31.380 Yep. 1:05:32.070 --> 1:05:33.180 Well, what if that ain't him? 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:35.720 What if it's the Manhunter? 1:05:37.060 --> 1:05:37.640 What if it ain't him? 1:05:40.030 --> 1:05:41.970 What if it ain't real? 1:05:41.990 --> 1:05:44.050 The only reason why I'm listening to Lou right now, Jay, 1:05:44.090 --> 1:05:46.370 is because in the beginning of episode one or like 1:05:46.470 --> 1:05:50.880 during that interrogation, John makes a point or says there's 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:54.660 14 alien species that have the same makeup as humans, 1:05:55.140 --> 1:05:56.440 even down to when you cut us open. 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:01.200 And we seen Hal on the table. 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:03.100 He could not be like that could be just an 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:04.180 alien and not have. 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:06.480 I don't know. There's a possibility within this show. 1:06:07.310 --> 1:06:09.430 Honestly, the main thing I took from it in this 1:06:09.470 --> 1:06:11.450 scene was how he talked about John. How she said 1:06:11.470 --> 1:06:13.730 he talks about John. I don't know if it's true 1:06:13.750 --> 1:06:16.910 or not, though. That is the interesting part. Because John 1:06:17.290 --> 1:06:19.330 didn't give a fuck when he saw... I mean, Hal 1:06:19.370 --> 1:06:20.610 didn't give a fuck about John when he saw him 1:06:20.630 --> 1:06:23.390 in the restaurant. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, 1:06:23.490 --> 1:06:26.020 he still felt like he... To me, it felt like 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:28.900 he still didn't give a fuck about him. And we know, 1:06:29.020 --> 1:06:33.040 as we watch football, like, the way she described it, 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:36.590 I get it. Because even as, like, Like, people in 1:06:36.620 --> 1:06:38.570 my family is like, man, that nigga get on my 1:06:38.610 --> 1:06:40.530 damn nerves. But I still love that nigga and wish 1:06:40.550 --> 1:06:43.030 him nothing but the best. Like, I'm still rooting for 1:06:43.070 --> 1:06:45.130 him even though he get on my damn nerves. 1:06:45.730 --> 1:06:48.370 So I understood what she was saying about him. 1:06:49.630 --> 1:06:51.210 But I don't know if I felt that way. 1:06:51.630 --> 1:06:51.910 You know what? 1:06:51.950 --> 1:06:53.010 I take that back. I take that back. 1:06:53.550 --> 1:06:55.700 Hal definitely in episode five kind of proved it a 1:06:55.720 --> 1:06:58.560 little bit when he was about to die by Zoe. 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:01.200 In a way, he just like, yeah, yeah, never mind. Jay, 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:03.600 I was going to say before we move on. 1:07:04.990 --> 1:07:08.790 How treats John like how, like, a diehard Cleveland Brown 1:07:08.830 --> 1:07:12.450 fan treats Deshaun Watson? Like, if he saw Deshaun Watson 1:07:12.470 --> 1:07:16.270 walk into a diner as a 2-1 quarterback, he going 1:07:16.290 --> 1:07:19.830 to be like, I don't owe you shit. But God 1:07:19.870 --> 1:07:22.010 damn it, I'm going to tune in to you every 1:07:22.030 --> 1:07:25.490 Sunday if you keep adding them doves to the collar. 1:07:25.510 --> 1:07:29.120 Because that's how I treated him. He was like, bro, 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.340 that whole pancake line was hilarious. He was like, nigga, 1:07:31.720 --> 1:07:33.220 you can get some pancakes. That's the only thing you're 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:35.470 going to get from me. Like, that's how a football 1:07:35.510 --> 1:07:38.950 fan would treat a team that they can't stand. rooting 1:07:38.990 --> 1:07:41.090 for sometimes but they always gonna root for him you 1:07:41.110 --> 1:07:42.590 know what i mean so i i and when he 1:07:42.990 --> 1:07:44.390 i know he upset kid because you could add him 1:07:44.410 --> 1:07:46.550 to the list of how many motherfuckers was pissed that 1:07:46.610 --> 1:07:49.920 he gave them back the ring after doing all that shit. 1:07:51.140 --> 1:07:55.040 Yeah you could have said that but i was definitely 1:07:55.080 --> 1:08:00.080 thinking when he's used that football analogy cowboy fans you 1:08:00.340 --> 1:08:00.700 know he. 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:03.180 Said the same thing about Bengals fans Saints fans that's 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:04.650 why I don't know why he made it as Dean 1:08:04.670 --> 1:08:08.130 Brown like nigga I was saying but when you have 1:08:08.170 --> 1:08:10.650 a certain disdain for somebody but you have no choice 1:08:10.690 --> 1:08:12.930 still but to root for him like even with even 1:08:12.970 --> 1:08:14.930 with like Cowboys fans yeah I was saying Cowboys fans 1:08:14.970 --> 1:08:18.080 yeah Cowboys fans is also a great comparison but I 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:20.840 was just thinking about how Browns fans feel about their 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:22.960 franchise because I think it's worse than Cowboys feel about 1:08:23.020 --> 1:08:26.500 paying people about your defense your defense we ain't here 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:28.460 to talk about me we ain't here to talk about 1:08:28.500 --> 1:08:33.850 the show but we then see Hal and John go 1:08:33.870 --> 1:08:36.970 to the lockbox and open up and we find some 1:08:37.010 --> 1:08:41.410 random ass items that was left Lou this is where 1:08:41.430 --> 1:08:43.650 I was like are you enjoying the banter between John 1:08:43.689 --> 1:08:45.650 and Hal at this point cause they was going back. 1:08:45.530 --> 1:08:46.670 And forth like. 1:08:48.070 --> 1:08:51.630 Hal was like damn I ain't teach you nothing about 1:08:51.650 --> 1:08:53.910 these wormholes he was like nigga you taught me two things, 1:08:53.990 --> 1:08:56.630 jack and shit. 1:08:56.810 --> 1:08:58.179 I'm like, bro, I fuck with them. 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:01.380 The banter is good. I do like those two as 1:09:01.460 --> 1:09:02.500 a pairing. 1:09:02.640 --> 1:09:07.040 That's not really my critique as why the show has 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:11.440 not been as good. It's just there's no mystique there anymore. 1:09:11.740 --> 1:09:13.719 But I do enjoy them going back and forth. 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:14.570 And I. 1:09:15.220 --> 1:09:17.900 The items, what was it, a gun, a poncho, and 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:20.519 what else was in the vault? 1:09:20.740 --> 1:09:22.379 It's some shit that I feel like you were having 1:09:22.460 --> 1:09:26.599 in your vault. It's some nigga items. It's some nigga items. 1:09:26.740 --> 1:09:29.429 If we came into B & J, it's a bunch 1:09:29.530 --> 1:09:31.090 of niggas. 1:09:31.270 --> 1:09:36.290 He got a loaded gun, a poncho, a hiking knapsack, 1:09:36.630 --> 1:09:40.910 probably some Flamin' Hots. Oh, yeah, by the way, I 1:09:40.939 --> 1:09:43.640 got this dimensional wormhole. 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:46.740 Portal wormhole. But yeah, I thought this was interesting. And 1:09:46.780 --> 1:09:48.020 I do appreciate they better. 1:09:48.740 --> 1:09:49.380 But you saying that. 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:53.519 Ken, would you have walked through that wormhole? If a 1:09:53.540 --> 1:09:55.519 white man said, go ahead. I think you could breathe 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:56.210 in that motherfucker. 1:09:58.090 --> 1:10:00.350 No, no. But I did like he was like, well, 1:10:00.430 --> 1:10:02.769 it could be the fact that I'm not alive. But, 1:10:03.090 --> 1:10:03.870 you know, who knows? 1:10:04.450 --> 1:10:06.050 And then I think he was I guess he was 1:10:06.070 --> 1:10:08.480 trying to hype himself up when he asked. Ask me 1:10:08.530 --> 1:10:11.060 if I'm afraid or something like that. I spent my afraid. 1:10:12.810 --> 1:10:14.410 I didn't get that. 1:10:14.510 --> 1:10:16.350 And I, and I felt again, Jay was going back 1:10:16.370 --> 1:10:19.550 to me thinking he needs a pat on the back 1:10:19.810 --> 1:10:21.830 more often than not. And he only felt like comfortable 1:10:21.850 --> 1:10:24.070 getting that from Hal. Cause it's kind of like you said, Ken, 1:10:24.110 --> 1:10:26.190 it did feel like hype me up or get me 1:10:26.220 --> 1:10:28.480 enthusiastic about this shit. And it was like, bro, why 1:10:28.540 --> 1:10:29.960 are you asking this nigga that question? 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:31.740 And what the fuck? That's his trigger though. 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:36.519 That dude, like his, didn't his, Wait, who asked that? 1:10:36.780 --> 1:10:38.220 John said to ask the how. 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:41.430 His mom used to ask him that and stuff, so 1:10:41.450 --> 1:10:43.910 that's his trigger. He still needs that shit? 1:10:44.670 --> 1:10:44.990 Yeah. 1:10:45.970 --> 1:10:47.650 Especially now that element. 1:10:47.410 --> 1:10:47.810 For a while. 1:10:48.870 --> 1:10:52.540 Yeah, he probably ain't been talked to like that or 1:10:52.780 --> 1:10:54.900 probably asked that question in a long time since he's 1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:56.100 been so successful. 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:56.500 With what he's been doing. 1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:00.150 So he needed that to go into a fucking wormhole 1:11:00.210 --> 1:11:03.030 to another dimension that he'd never been to before. 1:11:03.270 --> 1:11:06.750 It seems like a reasonable question. So yeah, I'm with 1:11:06.770 --> 1:11:07.090 him on that. 1:11:07.150 --> 1:11:08.410 My thing is, if you're already going to do it, 1:11:08.410 --> 1:11:09.310 why you got to talk about it? 1:11:09.970 --> 1:11:10.230 Right. 1:11:12.430 --> 1:11:13.490 Some people need a little oomph. 1:11:18.100 --> 1:11:19.700 I never thought I'd hear you say that sentence in 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:20.060 your life. 1:11:23.240 --> 1:11:26.400 We then see John go to the other side of 1:11:26.420 --> 1:11:30.220 the dimension and we find out that it's the the 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:32.580 aftermath of what Anton was talking about. That's the whole 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:35.140 reason why we know where Anton comes from, because we 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:38.320 find out that the memories John was seeing of that whole. 1:11:39.100 --> 1:11:42.120 civilization going down was actually right there like they're in 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:44.380 the graveyard of that which was crazy i like the 1:11:44.420 --> 1:11:46.360 visuals of it kid i know you got the big 1:11:46.380 --> 1:11:48.270 screen tv and so i know jay you got that 1:11:48.310 --> 1:11:51.670 too that shit look crazy he was like he was 1:11:51.689 --> 1:11:53.610 like i know they died but i ain't know they died. 1:11:53.490 --> 1:11:56.030 In space shit like that shit crazy. 1:11:56.290 --> 1:11:58.090 This is part of the part of the episode that 1:11:58.110 --> 1:11:59.790 really brought me back into because it just ain't look 1:11:59.990 --> 1:12:04.360 it looked amazing amazing amazing on screen um the colors 1:12:04.380 --> 1:12:07.320 the Like, them putting that nigga in all black, too, 1:12:07.500 --> 1:12:09.500 against that, like, I. 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:09.940 Was like, yeah. 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:11.640 It made the yellow stand out even more. 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:12.140 Yes. 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:14.240 Like, I was like, yeah, this shit looks dope. 1:12:14.540 --> 1:12:17.710 And it wasn't no, like, Power Ranger yellow or Powderpuff 1:12:17.729 --> 1:12:20.530 Girl yellow, like, something that's, like, cartoonish. It was, like, 1:12:21.370 --> 1:12:23.890 it was, like, yeah, it was, like, a doom, yeah, like, 1:12:23.930 --> 1:12:25.830 a doom yellow. I was like, damn, like, that's an 1:12:26.450 --> 1:12:29.189 interesting way of how that looked. And they kept showing 1:12:29.510 --> 1:12:31.769 a super small version of John to show you how 1:12:31.950 --> 1:12:35.310 massive that place was, the civilization was. 1:12:35.330 --> 1:12:37.380 I loved everything about it. I don't know about you, Cam. 1:12:38.300 --> 1:12:40.040 Yeah, no, I thought it was dope. I thought it 1:12:40.060 --> 1:12:44.660 was dope. And, you know, when I saw the... I 1:12:44.700 --> 1:12:49.860 didn't know what was going on. He's a brave dude. 1:12:51.510 --> 1:12:56.580 But definitely the colors... I wonder if, Oh boy, that we, uh, 1:12:56.680 --> 1:12:58.599 was going to be there. Uh, but cause I didn't 1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:00.280 know the planet. I don't know what planet was from, 1:13:00.300 --> 1:13:03.519 but it just looked interesting to me. And then just 1:13:04.060 --> 1:13:06.099 the fact that he was talking about fear and these 1:13:06.140 --> 1:13:09.719 motherfuckers are jumping off of a city in the sky. 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:11.730 And I was like, golly. 1:13:12.020 --> 1:13:13.439 And he, cause as soon as he got there, he 1:13:13.470 --> 1:13:17.130 was like, man, I feel like I've been here before, but, um, 1:13:17.630 --> 1:13:19.590 but no, it did look dope. It did look dope. 1:13:19.630 --> 1:13:22.769 I wouldn't mind like spending some time, you know, in 1:13:22.970 --> 1:13:26.080 that spot. But now I'm wondering what the fuck Anton 1:13:26.100 --> 1:13:26.500 looked like. 1:13:28.020 --> 1:13:30.290 We did see Anton. Are you talking about the real person? 1:13:30.330 --> 1:13:31.170 It's the original form. 1:13:31.189 --> 1:13:31.970 Oh, original form. 1:13:31.990 --> 1:13:32.930 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.840 Ken, I thought John was bullshit. Like, you know, Lou, 1:13:37.020 --> 1:13:38.920 he'd be like, damn, I've been to the hood before. 1:13:38.939 --> 1:13:41.860 I didn't know it was in outer space, too. I 1:13:41.900 --> 1:13:45.900 feel like I've been to the hood, nigga. I used 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:49.320 to have to walk through this shit as a kid. 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:54.080 But we then see John take a boat that Hal 1:13:54.140 --> 1:13:55.639 left to get to the other side of the planet. 1:13:56.360 --> 1:13:59.340 But while that was going on, as him rowing, some 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:00.560 weird shit started happening, Lou. 1:14:03.130 --> 1:14:04.530 That's what the question was for. 1:14:04.770 --> 1:14:06.650 I have to ask this question. Do you think John 1:14:06.710 --> 1:14:10.050 is scared of becoming a Greenlander? That's why he said no. 1:14:12.970 --> 1:14:13.630 Scared. 1:14:18.030 --> 1:14:20.570 I don't think it's fear. I think it's more so 1:14:20.630 --> 1:14:21.470 purpose driven. 1:14:21.530 --> 1:14:24.049 I think it's more so he don't know if he... 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:26.729 It's like a confidence thing. He don't know if he 1:14:26.850 --> 1:14:28.370 can fulfill the position and do. 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:33.980 What his mom and dad and all of these people 1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:37.040 assume that he can do. So I don't think he's scared. 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:40.049 I think he's more so thinking that he can't do it. 1:14:40.060 --> 1:14:41.150 A lack of confidence. 1:14:47.790 --> 1:14:49.209 What about you, Jay? Yeah. 1:14:49.270 --> 1:14:53.550 I'm about to say you saying, you saying that you're 1:14:53.590 --> 1:14:55.010 not trying to say it, but you saying it at 1:14:55.030 --> 1:14:55.530 the same. 1:14:55.370 --> 1:14:57.950 Time, you're scared and lack of confidence. 1:14:57.970 --> 1:14:58.450 The same thing. 1:14:59.910 --> 1:15:00.370 Kind of. 1:15:02.050 --> 1:15:04.650 You're not confident that you can do something. 1:15:04.950 --> 1:15:10.710 It's not, but it sounds very similar. 1:15:10.750 --> 1:15:13.650 I don't have the confidence that I can do this thing. 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:17.559 I don't know. 1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:19.720 I get what you're saying, but it does sound like 1:15:19.760 --> 1:15:22.260 he's afraid of something. He doesn't want to take this 1:15:22.460 --> 1:15:26.219 action because he doesn't believe that he can do this action. 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:29.840 I'm with you, Nick. I'm going to take like that 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:35.180 cloud and that rain and the visions he was having 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:41.260 as his subconscious deep down inside that he is afraid 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:45.360 of something. And that was his internal self, his young self, 1:15:46.870 --> 1:15:48.870 that was like, you're afraid to be. 1:15:48.770 --> 1:15:49.610 A Green Lantern. 1:15:50.830 --> 1:15:52.970 And that's why you turned it down and don't want 1:15:53.010 --> 1:15:57.490 to do this. And as a child, you know, he 1:15:57.530 --> 1:16:02.320 was just bred to not be afraid to do this, 1:16:02.939 --> 1:16:06.660 and that he suppressed the fear, or, if we're not 1:16:06.689 --> 1:16:09.349 going to say fear, we can go with, as Spike said, 1:16:09.470 --> 1:16:13.430 he suppressed the lack of confidence that he has in 1:16:13.570 --> 1:16:16.510 this ability to do something that he never really asked 1:16:16.550 --> 1:16:20.910 for anyway. So, it very much seemed to me, like, 1:16:21.030 --> 1:16:23.030 this scene was really telling to. 1:16:22.990 --> 1:16:26.460 Me on why he didn't want to, why he turned 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:27.000 the ring down. 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:36.060 I don't think it's the fear of being Green Lantern. 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:39.979 I think he's aware that he was bred and he's 1:16:40.020 --> 1:16:43.920 made to do this. He's made to do this. 1:16:43.939 --> 1:16:45.969 I don't think that's the issue. He just don't want 1:16:46.020 --> 1:16:46.400 to do it. 1:16:47.620 --> 1:16:50.330 He really just don't want to do it. He's been 1:16:50.370 --> 1:16:53.570 told he's going to do this his whole life. You 1:16:53.610 --> 1:16:56.110 don't want to let people down. That's more so the fear. 1:16:56.810 --> 1:17:00.030 At that point... I don't know. 1:17:00.430 --> 1:17:02.610 I struggle with agreeing with your point, Jay, or even 1:17:02.670 --> 1:17:06.510 seeing it from your perspective, because this nigga walked through 1:17:06.530 --> 1:17:10.229 a wormhole and is on a boat. To say he 1:17:10.270 --> 1:17:12.320 didn't want to do it is like, then why is 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:15.300 he doing it now? When he had no reason to 1:17:15.340 --> 1:17:17.620 do it, he could have left Hal where he left Hal. 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:19.719 He could have took the meeting with- But he claimed 1:17:19.740 --> 1:17:21.040 he just trying to find out who killed. 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:21.240 Hal, though. 1:17:21.380 --> 1:17:22.939 I know, but I'm just saying, but why? 1:17:23.020 --> 1:17:25.080 But that's leading you back to being a Green Lantern, 1:17:25.100 --> 1:17:28.290 because you're doing Green Lantern shit. He's been doing Greenlander 1:17:28.310 --> 1:17:31.760 shit this whole time, but he keeps saying that. 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:33.540 My bad. 1:17:33.620 --> 1:17:34.460 No, go ahead. 1:17:35.500 --> 1:17:39.240 You're saying why is him as John Smith or John 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.110 looking to find out who killed Hal? It don't make 1:17:41.150 --> 1:17:43.230 sense for just his regular everyday life. If you're going 1:17:43.250 --> 1:17:45.130 to try to find out who killed him, then you 1:17:45.170 --> 1:17:46.350 might as well be the Greenlander. 1:17:46.490 --> 1:17:47.070 Is that what you're saying? 1:17:47.250 --> 1:17:50.860 I'm saying he's doing Greenlander shit to find out Hal's death. 1:17:51.620 --> 1:17:53.509 The thing that he says that he didn't care about 1:17:53.550 --> 1:17:55.709 or didn't... Like, the number one person he could probably... 1:17:55.689 --> 1:17:57.390 If you were to poll him, who's the number one 1:17:57.410 --> 1:17:58.730 person you could give a fuck about if they die? 1:17:58.810 --> 1:18:00.830 He'd probably say Hal Jordan. You know what I'm saying? 1:18:01.170 --> 1:18:03.639 And then to say, okay, based off of that, does 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:05.540 this make sense for you to go through all this 1:18:05.580 --> 1:18:08.760 shit to find out who killed him? Even burying him. 1:18:09.060 --> 1:18:10.580 Going through all that whole process and it's just kind 1:18:10.620 --> 1:18:13.139 of like... If you really didn't want to do it, 1:18:13.290 --> 1:18:15.190 you wouldn't be doing half the shit you're doing now. 1:18:15.729 --> 1:18:18.030 So to me, it's just like once we come to 1:18:18.050 --> 1:18:20.870 the realization that, of course, he does want to do it, Jay, 1:18:21.290 --> 1:18:23.070 then it comes to Ken's point. It's like, well, you 1:18:23.110 --> 1:18:25.070 were just scared to do it at the time. You 1:18:25.110 --> 1:18:26.650 still want to do it, but you're too scared. You 1:18:26.670 --> 1:18:29.710 know how they got that fine girl in high school 1:18:29.729 --> 1:18:31.190 that you wanted to talk to, but you were just 1:18:31.210 --> 1:18:32.910 too scared to because she's too fine? 1:18:32.970 --> 1:18:34.830 It's like, I want to, but I can't. 1:18:35.890 --> 1:18:38.300 You know what I'm saying? Listen, listen. 1:18:40.470 --> 1:18:42.310 I gave y'all the example last week. 1:18:42.370 --> 1:18:43.150 Did I not? 1:18:43.330 --> 1:18:43.650 Like. 1:18:44.530 --> 1:18:44.790 What? 1:18:44.950 --> 1:18:45.630 About. 1:18:46.570 --> 1:18:49.150 Even though you know it's toxic over there, you don't want. 1:18:49.189 --> 1:18:49.389 Like. 1:18:49.450 --> 1:18:49.729 Like. 1:18:50.010 --> 1:18:50.630 but you know. 1:18:51.010 --> 1:18:53.650 So it's like, it's the same thing. I know, all 1:18:53.689 --> 1:18:55.490 I know is this type of shit. You know what 1:18:55.510 --> 1:18:57.330 I'm saying? But deep down, I don't want to keep 1:18:57.370 --> 1:19:00.259 doing this shit. I really don't want to be doing it. 1:19:01.110 --> 1:19:03.260 But this is all I really know. So I give 1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:04.720 in to the fact that, all right, well, let me 1:19:04.740 --> 1:19:07.520 just go ahead and maybe I can dip in for 1:19:07.540 --> 1:19:08.750 a little bit and come right back out of it. 1:19:08.780 --> 1:19:10.260 It ain't going to be that big of a deal. Like, 1:19:10.620 --> 1:19:12.780 I don't really want to be with you. I don't 1:19:12.860 --> 1:19:15.720 want this to be my life. but I continue to 1:19:15.780 --> 1:19:18.490 deal with it for whatever reason. That's because I'm conditioned 1:19:18.510 --> 1:19:20.929 to just, this is a part of me at this point. 1:19:20.970 --> 1:19:22.390 Like you are a part of my life. Like I 1:19:22.410 --> 1:19:23.059 can't help it. 1:19:23.150 --> 1:19:25.090 I have to, it takes a whole lot of work 1:19:25.110 --> 1:19:26.790 for me to like not have. 1:19:26.810 --> 1:19:29.150 That's another reason why he's doesn't really want to talk 1:19:29.180 --> 1:19:30.220 to his, his mom and his dad. 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:31.820 Cause it's like, y'all are part of that shit too. 1:19:32.300 --> 1:19:34.860 Like, but this is to a point y'all was talking 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:36.420 about earlier when y'all say he's getting black. I think 1:19:36.740 --> 1:19:40.860 a piece of it is him getting comfortable with who 1:19:40.930 --> 1:19:43.380 he wants to be. As compared to what they told 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:45.420 him to be for his whole life. Him not being 1:19:45.460 --> 1:19:48.000 like worrying about the Green Lantern and becoming that. Now 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:49.760 he's able to like find out what the fuck he 1:19:49.820 --> 1:19:51.420 wants to do and what he likes. You know what 1:19:51.540 --> 1:19:54.280 I'm saying? So it's a different piece of John that 1:19:54.300 --> 1:19:56.420 you're seeing in these moments. It's like, oh, he wasn't 1:19:56.460 --> 1:19:58.700 like this 10 years ago. Yeah, because now I can 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:02.900 figure out some shit for myself. But my point is 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:05.240 still that he just doesn't want to do this. I 1:20:05.260 --> 1:20:07.440 was just told all my life to do this shit. 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:10.519 But I really don't want to do it. I don't 1:20:10.540 --> 1:20:11.880 know what I want to do, but this ain't what 1:20:11.900 --> 1:20:14.850 I want to do. Could have fooled me is all 1:20:14.930 --> 1:20:15.330 I'm saying. 1:20:15.350 --> 1:20:17.290 Yeah, because he clearly. 1:20:16.970 --> 1:20:21.230 Don't want to build 40 damn safe houses. 1:20:20.890 --> 1:20:23.270 For the government because he has his ass out there. 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:24.880 He doesn't know what the hell he want to do. 1:20:25.420 --> 1:20:27.320 That's the point. There goes your point. 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:33.020 Yeah, I don't know. We need to get this shit together. 1:20:33.100 --> 1:20:34.100 I'm a part of that now. 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:36.120 I'm about to say, you need to pick up your 1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:38.340 damn phone. That's what you need to do. But it's 1:20:38.380 --> 1:20:39.220 their fault, bro. 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:41.600 Like, you condition your child to know only one thing 1:20:41.640 --> 1:20:43.960 as compared to actually let them live their life and 1:20:43.979 --> 1:20:45.979 try to figure out what the hell they are drawn to. 1:20:46.340 --> 1:20:48.059 You told them they were going, this is a grown-ass 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:48.439 man who. 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:50.200 Got to provide for himself, got to figure life out. 1:20:50.460 --> 1:20:53.040 It's hard to go be, uh, discover, like, be an 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:54.979 artsy and discover all type of shit you want to 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:55.979 when you got bills to pay. 1:20:56.020 --> 1:20:58.020 Like, you still got to fucking pay bills. It's hard 1:20:58.060 --> 1:21:00.060 to go find a passion when all you know is 1:21:00.090 --> 1:21:00.689 the fucking work. 1:21:00.780 --> 1:21:03.710 Like, it's, I get it. I get exactly where you're at. 1:21:04.300 --> 1:21:06.380 And I might be projecting a little bit, but it 1:21:06.460 --> 1:21:08.240 is what it is. 1:21:08.260 --> 1:21:10.480 Look, this episode going up on his ranking list, Ken, 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:15.700 I can tell you. He got a ring on tonight, Ken, too. 1:21:15.810 --> 1:21:17.650 I thought I had to look at it for a second. 1:21:17.689 --> 1:21:20.670 I was like, you might be trying to be a 1:21:20.710 --> 1:21:21.530 green letter, too. 1:21:21.770 --> 1:21:25.270 I was trying to figure it out. I was like, 1:21:25.390 --> 1:21:27.710 what is this, bud? He's got a watch. 1:21:27.750 --> 1:21:30.210 He willing to give a white woman a watch and 1:21:30.490 --> 1:21:31.750 300K plus, Jay. 1:21:32.050 --> 1:21:33.340 He want to be a green letter. 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:37.960 Fuck what you talking about that do bring up an 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:40.040 interesting point I didn't even think about until you just 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:41.660 said it like what are you doing all this for 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:44.340 if you don't want to do this there's no reason 1:21:44.380 --> 1:21:46.000 for you to find out what the fuck to do 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:48.360 with that why the fuck do you care it goes 1:21:48.390 --> 1:21:51.350 to Jay's point it goes to Jay's point when you 1:21:51.390 --> 1:21:53.050 talk about it from that angle you know what I'm 1:21:53.070 --> 1:21:55.470 talking about Lou you quit looking confused when you know 1:21:55.490 --> 1:21:59.630 exactly what I'm talking about because you've gone back for 1:21:59.670 --> 1:22:01.250 less laughing. 1:22:03.140 --> 1:22:05.059 I know you, right? 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:05.780 We all have. 1:22:05.979 --> 1:22:08.100 We all have. 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:10.300 And we all are like, damn, bro. 1:22:10.740 --> 1:22:11.220 What the fuck? 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.240 You'd be mad as hell. What the fuck? 1:22:13.260 --> 1:22:15.840 You'd be on the car ride home. 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:18.349 You'd be like, I don't know why I can't get 1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:24.809 that monkey off my back. It ain't never good to me. 1:22:24.830 --> 1:22:26.910 You're right. 1:22:26.930 --> 1:22:29.750 What was your reaction to Hal when he was really 1:22:29.850 --> 1:22:30.450 opening up to him? 1:22:31.350 --> 1:22:31.810 About his dad. 1:22:31.890 --> 1:22:33.870 Once he saved his life, because John was about to 1:22:34.350 --> 1:22:36.820 kill himself. We didn't even see it, but that's what 1:22:36.860 --> 1:22:40.019 Hal was saying. And from seeing that, that triggered something. 1:22:40.060 --> 1:22:41.840 And even the hologram version of Hal, he was like, 1:22:41.860 --> 1:22:43.500 all right, let me tell you about what actually really 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:44.900 happened to my daddy. You know, when a white man 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:46.860 started talking, they be saying some shit. 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:49.300 And they get quiet too. He was quiet for a minute. 1:22:49.340 --> 1:22:53.780 Hal was like, Hal is never quiet. Yeah, this is 1:22:53.920 --> 1:22:57.070 when they made everything else that we've watched up to 1:22:57.110 --> 1:23:01.340 this point make sense with Hal. And Actually talking it 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:05.360 through with you guys, the trigger for him was how, 1:23:05.380 --> 1:23:07.920 I mean, John put in the gun to his head 1:23:08.220 --> 1:23:13.269 about to pull the trigger and that gave him that 1:23:13.430 --> 1:23:16.270 thought or reminder of what happened or made it like 1:23:16.290 --> 1:23:19.050 real close. Almost like, I don't want to say that 1:23:19.090 --> 1:23:22.070 his dad did that because we don't know how, but. 1:23:23.550 --> 1:23:24.530 It was a quick reminder. 1:23:25.060 --> 1:23:28.560 But for whatever reason, this hologram version of John has 1:23:28.580 --> 1:23:29.760 been thinking about his dad. 1:23:30.400 --> 1:23:32.720 Because he had brought it up earlier when it was 1:23:32.780 --> 1:23:33.240 to carry. 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:35.880 So it's almost like the people that he feels like 1:23:35.920 --> 1:23:37.760 he's close to, he can be a little bit more 1:23:37.900 --> 1:23:43.690 vulnerable with. So did he tell you about my dad? 1:23:43.830 --> 1:23:47.330 And that will let me know how much he trusts you. 1:23:47.890 --> 1:23:52.550 So is this version of Hal either trying to intervene 1:23:52.570 --> 1:23:59.269 and stop John from doing something that Hal suspects... the 1:23:59.630 --> 1:24:02.410 live version of him or used to be live version 1:24:02.430 --> 1:24:06.490 of him did based on the legacy of the men 1:24:06.550 --> 1:24:07.229 in that family? 1:24:08.610 --> 1:24:11.070 Or is this him now feeling. 1:24:10.770 --> 1:24:13.530 Like I can get a little bit closer to you 1:24:14.100 --> 1:24:18.040 and now I can reveal like what happened because I 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:21.880 feel like you're somebody that's trustworthy. Um, so it was, 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:23.780 it was, it was, it was a really good thing. 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:24.820 It really was. 1:24:24.860 --> 1:24:32.300 What were your thoughts on it, Lou? I thought this 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:37.809 thing was good, too. Them connecting, him showing a slight vulnerability. 1:24:37.830 --> 1:24:43.090 I liked his dad popping up and him still not 1:24:43.210 --> 1:24:46.210 trusting Al, even when he saved him and being like, 1:24:46.229 --> 1:24:48.130 you trying to kill me? I think that should save 1:24:48.150 --> 1:24:51.910 your life, honestly. This whole thing worked. It added to 1:24:51.930 --> 1:24:53.809 the lore of the planet or wherever the hell they 1:24:53.850 --> 1:24:56.060 was in the world building. 1:24:56.070 --> 1:24:56.509 So I liked it. 1:24:57.770 --> 1:24:59.490 He said, I told you that we get that poncho 1:24:59.510 --> 1:25:02.070 was important. I told you that poncho was important. 1:25:02.100 --> 1:25:02.620 I like that line. 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:04.640 I told you, man. 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:05.560 He's so thought out. 1:25:05.580 --> 1:25:07.600 He thought out. He's like, I know I need that 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:09.360 for something. It wouldn't just be in here for no reason. 1:25:09.400 --> 1:25:11.600 I like that line a lot because that's his character. 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:14.460 Jay, that's why Ken said he's smarter than the black man. 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:16.940 Because he had a poncho. 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:20.920 He had a poncho and a gun. He needed. 1:25:21.970 --> 1:25:30.639 It, though, right? He kind of needed it. So, you know. Yeah. 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:33.360 We then see John and Hal get to the other 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:35.750 side of the planet, and then they run into an 1:25:35.830 --> 1:25:38.490 interested individual, which, Ken, I think you called it, as 1:25:38.530 --> 1:25:41.970 far as Sinestro not only breaking out of jail, but 1:25:42.350 --> 1:25:45.650 now we can assume Hal broke him out of jail. Yep. 1:25:46.530 --> 1:25:46.790 Yep. 1:25:47.130 --> 1:25:47.470 Yeah. 1:25:47.850 --> 1:25:48.020 So. 1:25:49.680 --> 1:25:52.429 Jay, what are your thoughts on John, me, and Sinestro? 1:25:52.470 --> 1:25:56.330 And also, hey, John got that one-hitter quitter. Because every 1:25:56.370 --> 1:25:58.910 time he hits somebody with a one-piece, they go down 1:25:58.950 --> 1:26:00.839 and they be looking up like, all right, we can 1:26:00.860 --> 1:26:01.420 talk about this. 1:26:04.600 --> 1:26:06.500 He said, oh, you got to be Jon Stewart if 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:07.639 you're going to beat my ass up. 1:26:07.670 --> 1:26:08.190 I know who you is. 1:26:08.229 --> 1:26:09.790 It's the first time an alien has met a nigga. 1:26:09.810 --> 1:26:32.710 This is what they say about you. That's a violent individual. 1:26:32.810 --> 1:26:38.310 Y'all confirmed. Oh, man. 1:26:38.370 --> 1:26:42.190 I ain't got nothing to say here, man. They knocked 1:26:42.210 --> 1:26:44.050 this shit out of Sinestro, bro. 1:26:44.470 --> 1:26:46.390 But again, this is the part of the ice. Where 1:26:46.410 --> 1:26:49.410 are we going from here? What are we doing? We 1:26:49.689 --> 1:26:52.170 got an episode left. What are we doing? 1:26:52.410 --> 1:26:53.030 I'm intrigued. 1:26:53.890 --> 1:26:56.090 But I'm nervous because, like, we got an episode left. 1:26:56.310 --> 1:26:58.490 You think it's going to go somewhere based off that? 1:26:59.090 --> 1:27:02.030 I don't know. They don't have to show him breaking 1:27:02.070 --> 1:27:02.550 him out, right? 1:27:03.450 --> 1:27:04.630 They could. 1:27:04.650 --> 1:27:06.070 They have to address that this last episode. 1:27:06.090 --> 1:27:08.750 How, though? How does he break him out? Because he 1:27:08.770 --> 1:27:11.429 didn't have the ring. You know what I'm saying? 1:27:11.450 --> 1:27:12.689 I think that's what the last episode is going to 1:27:12.710 --> 1:27:14.530 be about, how he broke him out and then what 1:27:14.590 --> 1:27:17.170 he had to do with Hal shooting himself. 1:27:16.750 --> 1:27:19.030 Or whoever that was sitting in the stadium. 1:27:20.210 --> 1:27:20.430 All right. 1:27:21.090 --> 1:27:21.610 In my opinion. 1:27:21.630 --> 1:27:23.450 That's what I, that's what, cause I was just like 1:27:23.470 --> 1:27:25.570 you in a sense of, okay, now we here and 1:27:25.630 --> 1:27:29.340 he there, like what happens from here? But it's way 1:27:29.380 --> 1:27:31.960 too big of a part of the show to Ken's 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:33.900 point in an early episode. It's like he in this 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.240 galactic jail, like how the fuck did he get out 1:27:36.260 --> 1:27:39.100 of there? You can't just tell us that John, John 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:40.920 broke him out and he here now, like you got 1:27:40.939 --> 1:27:43.099 to show us that as a viewer, at least me, 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:43.920 that's what I want to see. 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:48.780 Yeah, we should see. We should see. I don't know. 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:52.590 I was, I'm, I liked it, but I'm also like, damn, 1:27:53.130 --> 1:27:54.400 I hope y'all land this plane. 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:59.160 Because, Ken, as someone else who I believe you read 1:27:59.300 --> 1:28:01.080 some of the Green Lantern comics, Jay, I know you 1:28:01.100 --> 1:28:05.519 did for sure. This is a weird situation that we're 1:28:05.560 --> 1:28:08.510 going into for season finale because from the lore of 1:28:08.570 --> 1:28:10.269 Green Lanterns, and I know I've been wrong about lore 1:28:10.290 --> 1:28:12.050 of Green Lanterns a lot, but from what I know 1:28:12.090 --> 1:28:15.670 for sure, this is the bad guy. and the way 1:28:15.689 --> 1:28:18.050 they're positioned in this series is like maybe the bad 1:28:18.070 --> 1:28:21.180 guys aren't who we think the bad guys are because 1:28:21.520 --> 1:28:25.220 we just fuck with how we trust how so if 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:28.360 he broke out sinestro that must be for a good 1:28:28.460 --> 1:28:31.770 reason you know i'm saying even back even now that 1:28:31.770 --> 1:28:34.380 we're in 2026 or maybe he did it before then 1:28:34.380 --> 1:28:37.189 and he just kept him in this dimension until then. 1:28:38.510 --> 1:28:41.110 So I'm curious to think that will Jon join up 1:28:41.140 --> 1:28:42.800 with Sinestro and become like a yellow. 1:28:43.100 --> 1:28:46.780 He ain't going to be a Green Lantern, kid. He 1:28:46.820 --> 1:28:47.960 may be a yellow Lantern. 1:28:49.290 --> 1:28:51.430 Is there such a thing as a yellow lantern? 1:28:51.470 --> 1:28:54.990 Yeah, there is. 1:28:55.189 --> 1:28:55.849 They got all colors. 1:28:55.950 --> 1:28:57.630 The main ones is the only ones we give a 1:28:57.630 --> 1:28:59.990 fuck about is green, but there are yellow lanterns. 1:29:00.070 --> 1:29:02.050 Sinestro is the nigga that starts that. 1:29:03.020 --> 1:29:05.400 Very inclusive. 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:08.900 I am curious how they're going to flip it because 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:13.400 it's been mostly about fear. You know what I'm saying? 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:16.339 But the green lantern is based off willpower. 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:17.280 Yeah. 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:19.799 I'm curious how they're going to flip that. Maybe that's why. 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:20.540 Sinestro is here. 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:22.100 You know what I'm saying? Because, you know. 1:29:22.900 --> 1:29:25.510 Yeah, we got to learn about that. But like you said, 1:29:25.530 --> 1:29:26.490 we only got an hour left. 1:29:26.830 --> 1:29:27.650 That's what I'm saying. 1:29:27.670 --> 1:29:30.470 That's what I'm saying. It's like, I like this, but 1:29:31.210 --> 1:29:32.130 how y'all going to get all this in? 1:29:32.590 --> 1:29:34.099 But that's another reason why I'm like, maybe a season two, 1:29:34.110 --> 1:29:36.410 because it's like little nuggets that they could leave open. 1:29:36.850 --> 1:29:38.910 But I don't know. I get you. I get you. 1:29:38.950 --> 1:29:41.229 But again, I go back to how Watchmen ended. 1:29:41.530 --> 1:29:43.290 And Watchmen ended like, oh, this is going to be 1:29:43.350 --> 1:29:45.810 a crazy-ass season two. 1:29:46.010 --> 1:29:48.530 And we never going to get that. You know what 1:29:48.550 --> 1:29:51.270 I'm saying? They built it up more than this. So 1:29:54.050 --> 1:29:56.130 I think it's a movie. You know what I mean? 1:29:56.710 --> 1:29:58.520 But everything is leading to a season two. I can't 1:29:58.530 --> 1:29:58.980 deny that. 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:02.880 But from what I'm seeing, this last episode is going 1:30:02.900 --> 1:30:04.860 to be really rushed. We're going to be left on 1:30:04.900 --> 1:30:07.770 the biggest cliffhanger ever. of the year. 1:30:07.990 --> 1:30:09.910 If we left on a cliffhanger, it's dropping out of 1:30:09.930 --> 1:30:11.070 my top five, Ken. 1:30:11.140 --> 1:30:12.030 It's going to top 15. 1:30:12.030 --> 1:30:15.580 Oh, it's in your top five? It's in my top 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:17.220 five of the year right now. 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:18.600 This and Linus. 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:22.460 Right now, I'll just say this and Linus. 1:30:22.939 --> 1:30:24.780 Yeah, I'm about to say. Industry better not be in 1:30:24.800 --> 1:30:26.420 that top five. That's disgusting. 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:34.610 Industry top 10. Industry top 10. Industry was crazy. You 1:30:34.630 --> 1:30:35.990 wasn't even on that review. I don't think he was 1:30:36.050 --> 1:30:37.370 on that review, Luke. I was. 1:30:37.830 --> 1:30:38.090 Oh, you was? 1:30:38.110 --> 1:30:38.870 I wasn't on the review. 1:30:39.330 --> 1:30:41.309 No, I'm saying, I don't know if Jay was on. 1:30:41.350 --> 1:30:42.900 I forgot if Jay was on. It was all four 1:30:42.939 --> 1:30:43.110 of us. 1:30:43.580 --> 1:30:43.960 Oh, okay. 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:46.320 Oh, yeah, yeah, because we talked. 1:30:46.340 --> 1:30:48.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:52.640 Yeah, I don't know what angle they're going with, but 1:30:53.810 --> 1:30:57.490 if I recall correctly, the Guardians do be going crazy 1:30:57.550 --> 1:30:58.770 and doing some shit, bro. 1:30:59.590 --> 1:31:04.240 So, you know, and we've seen in this... season and. 1:31:04.460 --> 1:31:08.020 In the episodes that the guardians can't be trusted they've 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:11.700 told us that multiple times hal is alluded to it 1:31:12.740 --> 1:31:15.310 um and i think maybe just how i said it 1:31:15.350 --> 1:31:17.030 but yeah they've alluded to the fact that the guardians 1:31:17.050 --> 1:31:21.930 can't be trusted so they probably did some shit and 1:31:22.290 --> 1:31:26.620 he had to go get sinestro um to try to 1:31:26.900 --> 1:31:28.580 you know get them back in line but what it 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:29.000 is i. 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:29.420 Don't know. 1:31:31.910 --> 1:31:35.510 Yeah, this is a hell of an eighth episode. 1:31:36.090 --> 1:31:40.160 It better be. Because, Lou, I want to say at 1:31:40.180 --> 1:31:41.140 the end of this, I want to be like, you 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:43.839 can watch it through and through and get a full story. 1:31:44.420 --> 1:31:45.020 You know what I'm saying? 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:47.540 This could just be a great elongated movie. 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:51.019 But we got an hour left to see if it's 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:51.800 going to stick the landing. 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:55.680 I shouldn't watch this and be like, oh, now you 1:31:55.700 --> 1:31:57.420 got to watch this movie or you got to wait 1:31:57.439 --> 1:31:58.820 for this season or whatever it may be. 1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:04.600 I want them to. I tell you what, Hurst just 1:32:04.620 --> 1:32:08.970 got killed. Hey, y'all wrap this up. 1:32:09.030 --> 1:32:10.610 Hey, go ahead. 1:32:10.650 --> 1:32:16.509 Go ahead and wrap this up, man. 1:32:16.570 --> 1:32:19.990 Hey, you were bad. 1:32:20.210 --> 1:32:22.269 God damn, you got nailed. 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:28.380 All right, Louis clearly ready to go. So those are 1:32:29.140 --> 1:32:33.010 our thoughts on this episode of Lanterns. Please let us 1:32:33.030 --> 1:32:35.389 know what you guys think. FPS Podcast is the Reddit thread. 1:32:35.430 --> 1:32:38.960 That's also our handle for IG and Twitter. And we'll 1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:40.380 catch you next week on the finale. 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:40.960 We out. 1:32:40.979 --> 1:32:41.360 Peace. Peace.