Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Day.
Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of The Frame Second Podcast. I
Speaker 3: am your host with the evening. My name is Mike.
Speaker 3: Next Man, I have Spike, Next Spike, I have Ken Can, I.
Speaker 4: Have Rod, and we are gonna be giving our thoughts
Speaker 4: on brooking for a dream. This is the you say,
Speaker 4: twenty years twenty five year anniversary, which is crazy crazy
Speaker 4: crazy crazy.
Speaker 3: So let's do a quick around the room. I'm a
Speaker 3: I'm anna end on Spike.
Speaker 4: But Rod, I assume this is not your favorite, your
Speaker 4: first time seeing this movie?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think of this movie?
Speaker 1: Very creatively done movie?
Speaker 3: Nah, I man, they did. They did some some really cool.
Speaker 1: Stuff with filmmaking here, I mean and storytelling honestly.
Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, this has definitely.
Speaker 1: Been one of those. I think this is like one
Speaker 1: of those first.
Speaker 5: Artsy movies I've seen, like A twenty four was art like,
Speaker 5: kind of like your artsie like that. This is probably
Speaker 5: my interest. I want to see my introduction. I'm sure I'll
Speaker 5: see some stuff before this, but yeah, it's definitely one
Speaker 5: of the first ones I saw that was kind of artsy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I enjoyed that this then, and I
Speaker 3: think it still holds up today.
Speaker 1: Honestly, what about you, Ken?
Speaker 2: This was my first time watching this movie, and it
Speaker 2: felt like I was on drugs watching I watched it
Speaker 2: late Saturday night, early Sunday morning. Halfway through I was
Speaker 2: starting to fall asleep. But it was just more just
Speaker 2: late than anything. But it was a lot like going on.
Speaker 2: It was for neetic. It was chaotic, you know, and
Speaker 2: I think, of course all that was very intentional. So
Speaker 2: I do agree with a lot of what you're saying
Speaker 2: about it. The story felt disjointed, even though you can
Speaker 2: understand what was going on.
Speaker 6: It was just just constantly moving, moving, moving, moving, and
Speaker 6: they he really put you into visually audibly to a
Speaker 6: certain degree, the world of being hooked on something, on
Speaker 6: an addiction and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So overall I thought it was it was fine. You know.
Speaker 1: I can see how at that moment in.
Speaker 2: Two thousand maybe this was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: is like amazing, you know, But visually how he shot
Speaker 2: and edited and all those stuff, I canna understand the
Speaker 2: hype behind it.
Speaker 1: But I'm cool on it. Oh you're cool on it? Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like I missed out on anything.
Speaker 3: Really, Nah, spiked do you feel like you missed o?
Speaker 7: God, No, I could understand like what Ken was saying
Speaker 7: as to why a lot of people would have liked
Speaker 7: it because how differently that it was done in the
Speaker 7: year two thousand. But now I feel like there's much
Speaker 7: more stuff maybe the stem from this or just that's
Speaker 7: better than this, that tells the story like in this
Speaker 7: type of way, like this just joy to just like
Speaker 7: take you right in the in the story. I don't
Speaker 7: know why I've been in the patent when it's same,
Speaker 7: but for some reason, like uncut gems or something like that,
Speaker 7: it reminded me of just being in the phonetic pace
Speaker 7: of it stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I disagree with y'all big time. This movie is incredible.
Speaker 4: I think this really captures how addicts are inspite you
Speaker 4: should know this very well being from that.
Speaker 1: Uh this really I mean any.
Speaker 4: Addict that I've met and actually become sort of friends
Speaker 4: with these motherfuckers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Agree, God, this was and the relationship with the mother
Speaker 4: and then the way that they filmed it, I thought,
Speaker 4: everything is just this movie is incredible. It's incredible, and
Speaker 4: I believe chat correct me if I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 4: believe this was the first time we saw Marlon Wallie's
Speaker 4: doing something.
Speaker 1: Drama, drama related.
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive this was his kind of breakout dramatic
Speaker 4: role and.
Speaker 3: He killed it.
Speaker 1: He was better than Jared Letto to me. Yeah, job,
Speaker 1: I like Jared Letto to.
Speaker 3: Him, and him and Jennifer Connolly and the mom I
Speaker 3: forget her name.
Speaker 2: She was one moment And that was way in the beginning.
Speaker 1: We was doing that crackhead dance.
Speaker 2: Yeah records, yeah, yeah, but it was both of them
Speaker 2: and so but that was it.
Speaker 1: That was like it. That wasn't really a lot of
Speaker 1: that after that.
Speaker 7: It reminded me of my boy from Joungle Fever.
Speaker 3: Sam Jackson.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Day, all right, well let's go ahead and get on
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 1: Don't get her into a day.
Speaker 4: It starts off with us meeting Sarah go Goldfarb and
Speaker 4: her son Harry. Harry's an addict who is taking Sarah
Speaker 4: TV to get hair with his boy Tyrone, after which
Speaker 4: Sarah immediately goes down there to buy the TV back. So, Spike,
Speaker 4: how did you think, what'd you think about how this opens?
Speaker 7: What what is happening right now?
Speaker 1: As far as just the.
Speaker 7: Scene and the tone. I was kind of compelled. But again,
Speaker 7: maybe if I've seen this in two thousand, then it
Speaker 7: would have been different. But I was just like, God,
Speaker 7: what am I gonna get into?
Speaker 3: Damn Ken?
Speaker 1: What did you think about? How? It was not much
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was just waiting, okay, to be fair, though, when
Speaker 2: I when I made it home, it was like we
Speaker 2: had just finished no limit thing. So I got home,
Speaker 2: I you know, started to be I had it rolling.
Speaker 2: I didn't know they were going to really jump right
Speaker 2: into it like that. So I was walking around making
Speaker 2: because I was hungry. I was making food, so I
Speaker 2: wasn't paying all that much attention. I was because I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna miss too much of anything.
Speaker 1: So her going to bouy the TV. But all right, cool? Yeah.
Speaker 5: Immediately the acting was the performance was great from the
Speaker 5: mother like the way uh, it's just was like, oh,
Speaker 5: you could just tell how how good this was gonna
Speaker 5: be from the way they were acting.
Speaker 3: He was acting straight up like a crack at it.
Speaker 3: And the mom was acting kind of paranoid.
Speaker 5: Even when she was talking to the like the imaginary father,
Speaker 5: uh and all of that. The yeah, that like all
Speaker 5: of that and the way they shot it with the
Speaker 5: split screen.
Speaker 3: When you see through the keyhole you see him through.
Speaker 5: It was just so brilliantly done with like no one
Speaker 5: was filming like this, so it was just like damn
Speaker 5: like like so.
Speaker 1: It was very very intriguing.
Speaker 5: And then the whole like him going to this place
Speaker 5: to sell the TV and the mom knew exactly where
Speaker 5: he was going just to buy it back. I mean, man,
Speaker 5: I thought this was great. It was a great opening,
Speaker 5: great opening to it.
Speaker 7: I could see that from a filmmaking standpoint.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, for me, it was great.
Speaker 2: Fact that it was a white and black at part
Speaker 2: that part to yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, took that
Speaker 2: ship all the way across town on the.
Speaker 3: Busted ass Yeah yeah, so no, it was It was cool.
Speaker 4: So Sarah gets a call that she's going to be
Speaker 4: on TV, so she gets really excited to fit back
Speaker 4: into her black dress. We also meet Mary and who's
Speaker 4: Harry's girlfriend, and she's describing her relationship with her family.
Speaker 4: Did y'all take anything from that? Sounds like no, wait wait,
Speaker 4: it's just for anybody.
Speaker 1: I got distracted. I'm sorry said something about Mary.
Speaker 2: You remember the conversation because because look, the storyteller was
Speaker 2: like it was choppy, man, it wasn't that chip it
Speaker 2: was I didn't feel like it was choppy.
Speaker 1: I followed it quite.
Speaker 4: I think it was how they how they It was intentional, obviously,
Speaker 4: because they definitely bounced back and forth between characters.
Speaker 3: I was asking.
Speaker 4: She's describing uh maryon Harry's girlfriend, describing her relationship with
Speaker 4: her family.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't remember this part, damnit. So this
Speaker 3: plays into the theme of the movie.
Speaker 4: But she's talking about how she does she's not close
Speaker 4: with her family, and Harry is like, what do you
Speaker 4: mean They always give you money and you should be happy,
Speaker 4: and she's like, yeah, but that's all they give me
Speaker 4: is money. So there seems to be no emotional relationship
Speaker 4: between Marion and her family. But y'all don't seem because
Speaker 4: she's looking. But she's looking because she's looking for acceptance.
Speaker 1: She looking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also got that she's looking for an emotional
Speaker 4: attachment to somebody because she doesn't have that with anybody else.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 4: Harry and Tyro decide they're gonna work their way up
Speaker 4: to buying some pure drugs so they can make so
Speaker 4: much money that they don't have to keep pulling small tricks.
Speaker 1: Anymore.
Speaker 4: But two questions. One were y'all surprised at the moment
Speaker 4: they got some drugs that they were supposed to cut
Speaker 4: that they immediately tried it. But were you also surprised
Speaker 4: that they seemed to pull this off.
Speaker 2: I was surprised that they pulled it off. I was.
Speaker 2: I definitely wasn't surprised that they tried it. What I
Speaker 2: thought was funny was the reason why when he was like,
Speaker 2: this is business.
Speaker 1: They kind of fooled me.
Speaker 2: I was like, that makes sense when he said, I
Speaker 2: was confident, like, you know, I guess baby, yeah, I
Speaker 2: can see that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but they I was.
Speaker 2: But I think them trying it and not like using
Speaker 2: their own product, and that they continued to run the
Speaker 2: business and stack of all the cash and they have
Speaker 2: to follow through.
Speaker 1: I was impressed by that. I thought they did a
Speaker 1: good job of that.
Speaker 7: I was shocked that they pulled it off. I did
Speaker 7: not have any faith in them at all. And as
Speaker 7: it started to work out, like Okay, maybe it's going
Speaker 7: somewhere different from what I expected.
Speaker 2: I was just waiting for one of them to just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just started using the money.
Speaker 5: I thought somebody was stealing that money. No, It's definitely
Speaker 5: not a typical story of an attic. So yeah, it
Speaker 5: was interesting that they were able to pull it off,
Speaker 5: and then they had some sort of common sense about it.
Speaker 1: Was this, was they using some of that money to
Speaker 1: fund their habits too, right, Yeah, just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not not enough to just destroy.
Speaker 2: The whole right, but it makes sense, like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's an incentive.
Speaker 1: A business, you know, a mission statement.
Speaker 4: I hear this from every crackhead that this is this
Speaker 4: is the goal, Like, let's let's stop what we're doing,
Speaker 4: let's try to stack our cash and get some pure
Speaker 4: and then we'll be rich. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I'm obviously the first time I
Speaker 4: ever saw it, I was like, y'all not going to
Speaker 4: be able to pull.
Speaker 1: This off, and in fact they did. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: good for y'all.
Speaker 4: Y'all gonna crash at some point. But so Sarah goes
Speaker 4: on speaking a crash. Sarah goes on a crash diet
Speaker 4: so she can fit to her red dress, but she
Speaker 4: starts being haunted by food, so she ends up going
Speaker 4: to the doctor to get prescribed.
Speaker 3: Some diet pills.
Speaker 4: Spike, being from Nashville, did you notice how she starts
Speaker 4: acting immediately after she.
Speaker 3: Takes the pills.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like hallucinating and stuff like you said, right, well,
Speaker 5: she was hallucinating. She was very it's like tittering and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I noticed it right away. Yeah, anybody
Speaker 3: else picked I mean obviously you did.
Speaker 1: You picked that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I don't think they're around anymore,
Speaker 3: but I used to work with someone that was an
Speaker 3: addict on speed, and that's exactly how they were, how
Speaker 3: they would run the register, like grounding the chief and stuff.
Speaker 7: It's like myth. Yeah, like molecule away from myth, I
Speaker 7: think so.
Speaker 4: I think so, or it at least gives you the
Speaker 4: same high because it's just like you're constantly on the go.
Speaker 4: So so yeah, so okay, what did y'all take from
Speaker 4: the flashback with Tyrond and his mother?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that part?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, I do remember that part when he was caught
Speaker 5: when she was calling him and stuff.
Speaker 4: He was fanna get some ass, and then he was
Speaker 4: you know, he added some like emotional depth to him,
Speaker 4: like some of his motivations and things like that.
Speaker 7: So it was like, Okay, I get why he's like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about to say, hmm, yeah, what did you have?
Speaker 2: You pulled something different from that?
Speaker 1: You have that They used him because.
Speaker 2: He was basically naked, right basically what he was you
Speaker 2: said he was about position type thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I guess he's a nigger.
Speaker 3: Y'all didn't understand what. I don't know why they had
Speaker 3: him just standing there with his ass, well what.
Speaker 2: With his don't Yeah, you know, naked, vulnerable think about
Speaker 2: his mom goes back to the you know, being in
Speaker 2: the womb and your neck and the you.
Speaker 3: Know, big baby.
Speaker 2: Then even when he was having it was the imagery
Speaker 2: of the infantite position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that was good. That was really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I thought what she was saying was very
Speaker 4: He says to her, he's like, one day, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make it, which to him, he's made it because they
Speaker 4: got that lick and now you know, and then she says,
Speaker 4: you don't have to make it.
Speaker 3: You just have to love your mama. And that will
Speaker 3: play into this entire story, but we'll get to that
Speaker 3: at the end.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Why does Harry lie to his mother about his.
Speaker 4: Job when he goes over to the house and he's
Speaker 4: talking about I'm.
Speaker 3: Just I'm working with a distributor. I'm of a big importer.
Speaker 1: Can you tell your mom yourself drugs?
Speaker 4: I mean, would she be that surprised if he keeps
Speaker 4: stealing her TV?
Speaker 1: It was better than what he was doing, and she
Speaker 1: would probably be concerned for him. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: this this this.
Speaker 2: Image that you want to have for your parents. Your
Speaker 2: parents don't want to view like that. They want to
Speaker 2: be as successful and stuff like that. And maybe it
Speaker 2: kind of relates also back to Tyrone. Uh, you know
Speaker 2: as well. You know about him saying I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: it and she's saying what she said to him. So
Speaker 2: maybe that's probably why, Like, if I was selling drugs,
Speaker 2: there's no way I'd be like, hey, well you know
Speaker 2: I only got.
Speaker 1: This because I'm doing this, Like she wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: hear that story. Well, I like did he?
Speaker 2: I mean, I like that he came to a census
Speaker 2: that like, I've been doing this to my mom for
Speaker 2: this long.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying I want to get her something nice.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it was specific, right because he knowed that he
Speaker 3: kept taking her TVs.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that he.
Speaker 5: Was conscious of that and to that degree, I did
Speaker 5: I did like that because he told his girl, so
Speaker 5: it wasn't even like something he was trying to just
Speaker 5: show like he did it to He told his girl like, man, man,
Speaker 5: I should do something nice for it, maybe get a
Speaker 5: TV because I'm always doing this.
Speaker 1: I thought that was And his brother is positive.
Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna have some.
Speaker 1: Liquid liquidated.
Speaker 4: I got more with you guys, but I think that
Speaker 4: he really wanted to contain his mother, you know, and
Speaker 4: he wants her.
Speaker 3: To be proud of him.
Speaker 4: So that's why he's lying about what he does because
Speaker 4: he loves his mother, but he knows he's being bad
Speaker 4: to her. But he picks up on her teeth chattering
Speaker 4: and immediately clocks she's on speed drugs.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: What did you think of what his mom says to
Speaker 3: him about why she's so fascinated with this red dress.
Speaker 1: Because she wanted to oh, because that was the dress
Speaker 1: she wants.
Speaker 4: From I can't rememb if but she starts talking about
Speaker 4: why this is so important to her being on TV
Speaker 4: and such.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, the the motivation for her
Speaker 2: to start taking his trust to be on TV made
Speaker 2: a lot of sense, you know, the older you get,
Speaker 2: of course, physically your body slows down. And for people
Speaker 2: that's that's tough to rector with. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you remember what you once were and you'll never be
Speaker 2: able to get that back. But some people do go
Speaker 2: out of their way to try to relive the glory days.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And and she was fascinated by the show, and and
Speaker 2: this was a moment for her. It gave her a
Speaker 2: reason to get on this drugs so she could be
Speaker 2: look her best, you know, for this show. So and
Speaker 2: that dress probably was the moment she remembered that she
Speaker 2: was hot stuff back in the day, and that.
Speaker 1: Was the attachment that she was longing for.
Speaker 5: I just think it's interesting to see twenty five years
Speaker 5: later this ship, like this is still being promoted heavily,
Speaker 5: like flat Tommy Tea.
Speaker 1: And all that type of shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like, damn, and now it's predatory, Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 5: It is like you know, just selling this dream of
Speaker 5: like you know, weight loss, like quick weight loss for people.
Speaker 5: And for some people, they they probably you know, more
Speaker 5: likely promoted and like it. But you know, altogether, it's
Speaker 5: harmful to you, especially to your to your mind or whatever.
Speaker 1: If you if abused.
Speaker 3: So, I don't know. I thought that was a good
Speaker 3: representation in this movie of of because even from the doctor, right,
Speaker 3: the doctor didn't even look at her.
Speaker 1: He just pushed this pill to it.
Speaker 5: It was a pill pusher, just like all right, we'll
Speaker 5: prescribe this or whatever whatever. And yeah, I thought I
Speaker 5: thought it was a good representation that culture.
Speaker 2: Issues, just like here, just take this, yeah, take care
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 7: Both times, yeah, both times. It reminded me of azimpic that.
Speaker 7: That's funny that you say that too. But to the
Speaker 7: dress point, Mike, I thought it was Nostyusia's just like
Speaker 7: going to buy a pair of shoes that you couldn't
Speaker 7: get when you were young and seeing remember people having
Speaker 7: him well even remember having them when you were young,
Speaker 7: like that that. I think it's the same thing that
Speaker 7: she was speaking of that some people do today.
Speaker 1: Was that commercial for that drug?
Speaker 2: Was that on that TV show in the beginning they
Speaker 2: got and said something about Tubby or whatever, or she.
Speaker 1: Got the drug idea for her one of her friends, ada, whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I just want to make sure to
Speaker 2: miss anything in the beginning because that was opened with
Speaker 2: that TV show, right, that's interesting because.
Speaker 5: She got to the point where she couldn't fit the
Speaker 5: dress either time, Like she couldn't fit it when she
Speaker 5: was overweight. She couldn't fit it because she got she
Speaker 5: started small. I don't know if y'all realized that. So
Speaker 5: she still couldn't She still couldn't fit the dress even
Speaker 5: after she was on the pills. Yeah, it wasn't. It
Speaker 5: was too it was overside.
Speaker 3: Oh that's what you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well the part that I was asking about when she
Speaker 3: was she was trying.
Speaker 4: To she was trying to explain why it was so
Speaker 4: important for this to happen. So when she I took
Speaker 4: it as she just wants a place in the world.
Speaker 4: Because when she starts talking to Harry and she asks them,
Speaker 4: she's like, you know, did you notice I.
Speaker 3: Had the best seat outside? Like I'm somebody. She doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like anybody cares about her, and she starts she
Speaker 3: wants to share her entire story with the world. That
Speaker 3: is the goal for her.
Speaker 4: She wants to fit in this red dress so she
Speaker 4: can go on TV, brag about her son, give a
Speaker 4: shout out, to see more, and have everybody see her
Speaker 4: because for her, it's a reason to get up and
Speaker 4: do anything. So when she starts going on.
Speaker 3: This this this dialogue part, she tells them, she's like,
Speaker 3: I have nothing to look forward to. My husband's gone.
Speaker 1: You're gone.
Speaker 4: And when she starts talking about I don't have any
Speaker 4: reason to get up, why would I wash dishes? I
Speaker 4: have the reason to do any of this. I have
Speaker 4: no one to care for. So she's trying to find
Speaker 4: something to give her life a purpose.
Speaker 3: That's what I was getting at, and I thought that
Speaker 3: this scene in particular is one of the best scenes
Speaker 3: in the film. I'm a little sad that nobody talked
Speaker 3: about this, Like, I don't think I think it was
Speaker 3: for nostalgia. I think it was really she had she
Speaker 3: felt like she was useless that nobody can because.
Speaker 4: She's like, oh, you have friends, Ma, what about your
Speaker 4: friends outside? And she's like, they don't care about me,
Speaker 4: they don't need me. She's like, you don't.
Speaker 3: Need me, You're not here. So when I'm watching this,
Speaker 3: I started thinking about my mom and me. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I need to go spend more time my mother because
Speaker 3: she might think that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I feel like that's I thought I
Speaker 5: was waiting on you to get to that part. I
Speaker 5: ain't want to assume what that's what I felt like.
Speaker 3: I literally asked.
Speaker 4: Y'all, what did y'all no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Once you started talking about it, I was waiting for
Speaker 5: you to say that that that's why, uh, that's why
Speaker 5: I hit you like that.
Speaker 3: It don't hit me like that because my mom.
Speaker 1: I think he's about the mom part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, your mom didn't remarried.
Speaker 5: She yeah, well no, right, my mom remarried, and so
Speaker 5: there was never that feeling.
Speaker 3: There was never that feeling that she was by helf.
Speaker 1: Or anything like that.
Speaker 3: My mom, my mom kept the man.
Speaker 5: So it's like, yeah, I never thought my mom was
Speaker 5: I don't think she ever was.
Speaker 3: In my mind, my mom is straight.
Speaker 1: She was never lone. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I never took it as my mom being lonely.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be here this long if I thought that
Speaker 5: was the case, Like, I probably would have been back
Speaker 5: home at some point. But so, yeah, I think my
Speaker 5: mom was straight. So this didn't really hit me the
Speaker 5: same way.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: It's good though, because she was great. She yeah, she
Speaker 3: was really good.
Speaker 2: I meant I went and looked her up afterwards to
Speaker 2: see what else she was in, because she was great
Speaker 2: in this.
Speaker 3: Well, where'd you think about what was happening in the
Speaker 3: cab when Harry leaves?
Speaker 1: What happened in the cab?
Speaker 3: He starts crying immediately?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember exactly what happened. He starts crying immediately.
Speaker 4: And then he takes a hit and then the oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: completely composed.
Speaker 3: Everything is fun. I thought the way they did this,
Speaker 3: anytime they do the scene where it's like.
Speaker 1: Fine, no, it's good, it's so good.
Speaker 5: It's good because woman, when Jennifer Conley was looking in
Speaker 5: the mirror, she was just like damping and then she.
Speaker 3: Yeah after after after they did it. Yeah, they did
Speaker 3: it with everyone.
Speaker 4: Although I didn't get her seen very much. I was like,
Speaker 4: why who stands in the mirror with just the top
Speaker 4: on but part of the winn.
Speaker 3: What you saying the ben like whinny the pool Brian
Speaker 3: for family guy?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? That's hilarious?
Speaker 3: O my god, what a reference?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Okay, uh I I I'm afraid to even ask you
Speaker 4: all this, but what did y'all think of the scene
Speaker 4: where Tyrone is meeting with the drug dealers?
Speaker 3: In the car.
Speaker 1: I like that scene. I bet you did.
Speaker 3: I bet you did like that.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Say at this point, I fe like this movie was
Speaker 2: all over the place. Yeah, it was a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Remember the scene all over the place. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It felt very chaotic for me. And I know that
Speaker 1: was an intent, but still, and.
Speaker 2: I got all the feelings the intent behind it. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, but I did like this.
Speaker 3: You stupid, don't even do it.
Speaker 2: You don't even you have to do that.
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. I got.
Speaker 3: Let's yo, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Why do they do this? I don't know why they
Speaker 1: did this?
Speaker 2: And they I feel him though, he's the head.
Speaker 1: Ah should I see he had. If there's one thing
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Say, I'm gonna say that is this party.
Speaker 1: You know, but I would just let you know that
Speaker 1: because I really mean this ship.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so bad, I'm gonna try to say
Speaker 2: some ship I can't say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was funny, it's gonna register. This whole scene
Speaker 5: was cray.
Speaker 4: When he says, oh you got a white you got
Speaker 4: a white driver, and they just start busting in the back.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And the way they when, Yeah, that was good. They
Speaker 5: were doing some really creative ship on this direct. So
Speaker 5: Sarah's having issues with the pills she's taking.
Speaker 4: What did y'all think about the scene where she's in
Speaker 4: the doctor's office, because this is another one of my
Speaker 4: fas ever seens the whole film.
Speaker 1: Is just when they were four fingers all their food, but.
Speaker 4: Just when she goes to the doctors office to tell
Speaker 4: the doctor that something's wrong and they don't really give
Speaker 4: a fuck.
Speaker 3: He just changed the prescription. Yeah, but then he kept
Speaker 3: her on the pills.
Speaker 4: I think he increases the prescription because her body is
Speaker 4: getting acclimated to the pill.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you know because she calls
Speaker 2: you like, yes, not having the same effect, you might
Speaker 2: just getting used to it. Yeah, and he just up
Speaker 2: the dosage, which you know which doctors, Yeah, they do that.
Speaker 1: Ship all the time.
Speaker 3: But remember this particular scene.
Speaker 2: People coming back, because when the because she's sitting there
Speaker 2: like and look and she's like in the corner of
Speaker 2: the screen and he's far away.
Speaker 1: He just kind of comes in.
Speaker 2: He turns around, didn't even really look at her, and
Speaker 2: down gave it to her and then bounced.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was that was That was a pretty pretty dope shot.
Speaker 2: How they did that, but he didn't give two fout.
Speaker 7: It was accurate of like just how doctors sometimes are.
Speaker 1: That's what I was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's all I was saying earlier, how they
Speaker 5: didn't even look at it, not trying to create any
Speaker 5: type of attachment to this, and started to.
Speaker 4: Right, that's get yeah, Like she is in slow motion
Speaker 4: and for her, the entire scene is slow motion, but
Speaker 4: he's talking fast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this ship is so good because she was like,
Speaker 5: did you hear that or something like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she hears like a bang behind her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the way the scene is done is so good.
Speaker 4: All right, So Miriam starts sucking her therapist for drug money,
Speaker 4: but she doesn't have a connect. So while Miriam is
Speaker 4: going crazy trying to find drugs in the house, Harry
Speaker 4: and Tyrone go to the back of a supermarket to
Speaker 4: score some pure but things go wrong as always, But
Speaker 4: as the truck takes off, they see that it's a
Speaker 4: Florida truck and they decide to drive to Florida.
Speaker 1: Is this a good plan?
Speaker 2: No plan, y'all can't even get that even though that
Speaker 2: was your fault, addict to the truck, you keupt plan
Speaker 2: for that. But because they were using the money that
Speaker 2: Marian got for Harry to go buy the drugs right
Speaker 2: because they had to use their stash to get Tyrone
Speaker 2: out of jail, to bell Tyrone out of jail, which
Speaker 2: made them low. And I thought it was fucked up
Speaker 2: that he even asked her to go do that.
Speaker 3: That's that's some drug addict shit.
Speaker 1: Yep, I know. But I was like, yo, fuck therapist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was trying to because you were like,
Speaker 2: you don't know because that was the first time doing it.
Speaker 3: See, I don't know.
Speaker 4: As many times I've watched this film, I'm always fuzzy
Speaker 4: on that part.
Speaker 5: Oh what he said, He said, it sounds like she's
Speaker 5: done it's done it before. She's like, he was just like,
Speaker 5: I don't want you to do that again. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: she had already done it before. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 4: But something but there was something else that she says
Speaker 4: that makes yeah, because when she says, you don't know
Speaker 4: what he's gonna have me do. So that's why I'm
Speaker 4: kind of fuzzy. I'm like, Okay, has she done this
Speaker 4: before or has she not?
Speaker 3: Maybe she's done something else. Maybe she just sucked his
Speaker 3: dick once.
Speaker 1: Or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't tell.
Speaker 7: Maybe he got last time and then she knows it's
Speaker 7: gonna get wilder this time.
Speaker 2: Maybe, or maybe maybe he made advances towards her. She
Speaker 2: knew that that was gonna be the if. If she
Speaker 2: was asking for money, that was going to be the payment. Yes,
Speaker 2: and she already knew that off rip, so but she
Speaker 2: went and went through it.
Speaker 1: I love the way he did that where uh.
Speaker 2: She would like turn the lights off, and as soon
Speaker 2: as the lights went off, he just ravished her. I
Speaker 2: thought that that was that was that was the body
Speaker 2: kind of just shows that part.
Speaker 5: And that was another indicator too that they had done
Speaker 5: it before. He said that he never won them off before.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, so never mind, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you're right. Well, you know she had did it before,
Speaker 1: so I guess maybe Harry knew that.
Speaker 3: That's why he got the idea.
Speaker 1: She was like, well, I know, yeah, no, damn you
Speaker 1: own girl.
Speaker 3: Hey, bro, times are hard caught out here for a pimp,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: So because her body starts to get acclimated to the pill,
Speaker 4: Sarah starts taking more of them at a time. What
Speaker 4: did y'all think about the scene where the people from
Speaker 4: the TV break into her.
Speaker 7: Realityferator refrigerator beat her up, happening right now.
Speaker 1: She was on the trip.
Speaker 2: Man, She's gone, yeah, but I did like that, like
Speaker 2: the effects of that, especially for that time. But they
Speaker 2: were coming out of the TV and looking like they're
Speaker 2: from a television.
Speaker 1: What did it signify? I don't know if I thought
Speaker 1: about it that deep?
Speaker 3: Damn yeah, So do you okay? Do y'all?
Speaker 4: Remember when the people come out of the TV, they
Speaker 4: immediately start judging her.
Speaker 3: They like, look at your house. It's so small and
Speaker 3: it's dirty.
Speaker 4: I think this this implies how inadequate she feels as
Speaker 4: a person.
Speaker 3: Again, she's lonely, she lives by herself.
Speaker 4: The people coming out of the TV and they immediately
Speaker 4: start judging her and making fun of her.
Speaker 3: I think what they're showing is this and this.
Speaker 4: Remember this is right before she has her full mental break,
Speaker 4: So this is like a manifestation of how she sees
Speaker 4: this show as the only thing that's important to her.
Speaker 4: Right now, she's trying to get into this red dress
Speaker 4: so she can get onto the TV, and once she
Speaker 4: gets there, she will feel accomplished. So of course, when
Speaker 4: she has the full break. The only thing she's seeing
Speaker 4: is what's happening in the show coming into her reality.
Speaker 4: They bust through the walls and they start setting up
Speaker 4: microphones and stuff on her, and this is when she
Speaker 4: has a full mental break and ends up at the
Speaker 4: studio where they film the show and they call the
Speaker 4: cops on her, which lands her in a mental institution.
Speaker 4: But Harry and Tyrone are on their way to Florida,
Speaker 4: during which time we see that Harry has a pretty
Speaker 4: bad infected.
Speaker 3: Wound on his arm from shooting us.
Speaker 4: We also see Mariam ends up at my boy Little
Speaker 4: John's place, having to get a little attention.
Speaker 7: To Big John.
Speaker 3: So who has it worse at this moment of the.
Speaker 5: Story, He said, what do you say? He's saying, I
Speaker 5: ain't pull it out because it's pretty. Is that he
Speaker 5: said that it's pretty to look at something. I know
Speaker 5: it's pretty to look at it, but I ain't pull it.
Speaker 5: I ain't pull it out for fresh air.
Speaker 7: The worst place, because she really didn't want that happen.
Speaker 1: She does she even know who he was.
Speaker 4: The number was on the back of that picture. Remember,
Speaker 4: uh huh, I forgot how they got the number. But
Speaker 4: the number was written down on something that she found
Speaker 4: in the apartment. I don't remember, though, the number was
Speaker 4: written down and she called it because he was the.
Speaker 3: Guy that I remember remember him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do remember when Okay, when Tyrone and Harry
Speaker 4: are walking around and Harry is like, hey, don't you
Speaker 4: got that one guy's number? And he's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: but he doesn't sell drugs.
Speaker 3: He only gives out drugs. And he says, you know,
Speaker 3: I tried to give him something, but he said I
Speaker 3: wasn't cute enough.
Speaker 1: I do remember that conversation.
Speaker 3: So Harry got the number from Tyrone.
Speaker 4: So this guy is known for giving out drugs, but
Speaker 4: he doesn't sell them.
Speaker 3: He will only give you drugs if you give him
Speaker 3: some ass.
Speaker 1: And Marion overheard that conversation.
Speaker 3: No, I think Harry told her.
Speaker 1: But we never saw it.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure we saw it. I just don't remember, right.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure we saw him tell her.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, but I don't know if he
Speaker 2: was talking to because I remember Harry saying that. We
Speaker 2: don't know if he was talking to Tyrone or her.
Speaker 3: It's when they get in a fight, remember they get
Speaker 3: in a fight. He's like, just go to this I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have to be out in the.
Speaker 2: Streets because I tell you what I thought was happening
Speaker 2: before I realized it was. It was that guy. I
Speaker 2: thought he was asked because they shit was so fucked up.
Speaker 2: I thought he was asking her to double back. And
Speaker 2: then I know it was this black guy. So when
Speaker 2: I heard him talking about yeah, but he doesn't basically
Speaker 2: everything you just said. When they were talking about that,
Speaker 2: I thought they were talking about the therapist. So I
Speaker 2: got getting stuff on that unless I'm getting mixed up. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're right, I just got mixed up. When I was
Speaker 2: watching it. I thought that's what he was talking about. Remember, like,
Speaker 2: I'm watching this thing, and this thing just is not very.
Speaker 1: Linear for me.
Speaker 2: So when I heard that conversation, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's asking her to go back. And then there was
Speaker 2: this black guy. I'm like, what what the.
Speaker 1: Fuck did he come from? Because that was his first
Speaker 1: appearance in the movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, we hadn't seen him, we just heard about him.
Speaker 4: So Sarah is in an institution right now and the
Speaker 4: orderlies are forcing her to eat. Did you notice the
Speaker 4: conversation that the orderlies are having.
Speaker 1: No, I did not, or I do not remember. So
Speaker 1: they're talking.
Speaker 4: One of the guys is talking about being at a
Speaker 4: casino and he's talking about how the security guy showed
Speaker 4: up and was like telling him did he have to leave?
Speaker 3: And he didn't want to leave because he wanted to
Speaker 3: keep playing.
Speaker 1: So they're just.
Speaker 3: Making it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was dope. And the fact that
Speaker 4: they're treating her like that. Yeah, this this this, this
Speaker 4: ship was.
Speaker 1: Hard for her food because she don't want to.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to eat, which was in her dress.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's another thing that happens because you know, sometimes they
Speaker 2: want to lose weight so they stop eating.
Speaker 1: But you know, give my visa. Yeah, it's pretty upe.
Speaker 4: So Tyrone and Harry go to the hospital because of
Speaker 4: his arm, which lands them both in jail because the doctor,
Speaker 4: of course calls.
Speaker 5: The cops the way the way he was looking at
Speaker 5: his and then morphine or whatever that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Tyrone ends up being convicted and is relegated to
Speaker 4: working his time off in this horrible prison and has
Speaker 4: the detox while in there, and all he can dream
Speaker 4: about is his mother's embrace.
Speaker 3: Just do anything for y'all.
Speaker 1: There was a callback.
Speaker 2: To I feel bad for Tyrone because they called him
Speaker 2: a nigger and Harrod was next to him, and he
Speaker 2: ain't really he talked bad to Harry too, but ship
Speaker 2: he just like, bro, you it almost like he was
Speaker 2: just a little bit less than human then her he
Speaker 2: was absolutely Yeah. And then because I was, I was
Speaker 2: really curious to see how he would view and talk
Speaker 2: to Harry and and yeah, he just talked to him
Speaker 2: like he was just a drug added.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: But this guy was and you know, of course you
Speaker 2: know that I can assume meant that he definitely got
Speaker 2: mistreated while he was in prison.
Speaker 1: So he's in prison, you know, and Harry, well.
Speaker 2: We're just talking about Tyrone now, but yeah, he's in
Speaker 2: prison and probably just getting abused there.
Speaker 1: And of course the detalks.
Speaker 4: That's the thing that got me is the fact that
Speaker 4: they're forcing him a detox in this prison. And then
Speaker 4: when they show the scene where he just rolls over
Speaker 4: and he curls up into that fetal position again, then
Speaker 4: you see the vision of his mother. Man, it's like
Speaker 4: all he wants is his mom at this.
Speaker 2: Point, and the didn't imagine he's if he's had that vision,
Speaker 2: he's thinking about the conversation and then he's in jail
Speaker 2: and he did not make me, but he still loves
Speaker 2: his mother's mother.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: So Harry, after having a dreamer, he's running down the
Speaker 4: docks to Mariam, who's coincidentally in a red dress.
Speaker 3: He wakes up in the hospital with his arm amputated.
Speaker 4: So was it sad how he woke up saying Mariam's
Speaker 4: name And then the nurse is like, who is that?
Speaker 4: We'll call for her and she'll come, and Harry's like, Nah,
Speaker 4: she's not gonna.
Speaker 1: Come because she wasn't at the docks anymore.
Speaker 4: At the docks, and I think he realizes that this
Speaker 4: is not a real relationship.
Speaker 3: So he's like, why I was thinking about the mom. No, no, no, Marriam.
Speaker 3: So he's like yeah, so he's he's saying she's not
Speaker 3: gonna come, She's not gonna come.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh yeah yeah yeah. But why would he realize
Speaker 2: that it's not a real relationship though.
Speaker 4: Because everything is is based on drugs to them, because
Speaker 4: remember he has the phone call with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like can you come now? And he's just like, Noah.
Speaker 4: I can't, I can, but he he knew he couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he was lying to her, and but I
Speaker 2: just looked at it as they were just both in
Speaker 2: very precarious situations that they were. I think they still
Speaker 2: would have been together, but they were just unable to.
Speaker 2: Like I think if she was able to go see him,
Speaker 2: she would have went. You don't think she would have went.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 4: But he doesn't know that she's in a precarious situation.
Speaker 4: He has no idea what she's doing, what she's doing
Speaker 4: or where she is.
Speaker 1: In order to get by, but he still says.
Speaker 3: She's not going to come. She won't come.
Speaker 1: I think he don't know the reason.
Speaker 7: He just know she ain't because he knew it was
Speaker 7: what he thought it was exactly.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was what either one of them
Speaker 3: thought it was.
Speaker 4: I think so the whole point is, to me, at least,
Speaker 4: everybody in this movie is lonely. Everybody in this movie
Speaker 4: is looking for some kind of connection. Harry has his mom,
Speaker 4: but he has no connection with her. His dad is gone,
Speaker 4: but he has Miriam, so he's dumping everything into her.
Speaker 4: Mariam has nobody. She has money, she has access, but
Speaker 4: she has no emotional connection to anybody, even her parents.
Speaker 4: So she's dumping everything into Harry. But when you say
Speaker 4: it's like a Corda Pender relationship, they're not really in
Speaker 4: love at all. You need finish, I need you finishing
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. Then you have Tyrone, who is lonely because
Speaker 4: he has no one. His mother is dead. The only
Speaker 4: person he really cared about is gone, so he's just
Speaker 4: dumping everything into drugs.
Speaker 3: And then his friendship with Harry. Then you have Mariam.
Speaker 3: I'm not Mariam Sarah, who her husband's gone.
Speaker 4: All she has is good Harry, and then Harry keeps
Speaker 4: fucking taking her TV. So it's like everybody in this
Speaker 4: movie is just dreadfully lonely. So I think this is
Speaker 4: just another sign that Harry is just gone. He's just like,
Speaker 4: there's no reason for Mariam to come because this isn't
Speaker 4: a real relationship.
Speaker 1: So she was with Harry because Harry showed interest in her.
Speaker 1: Whow was Harry with her?
Speaker 4: Same reason, same reason. They all they all looking for
Speaker 4: emotional codependency.
Speaker 1: And they just all just having to start doing drugs
Speaker 1: together because he got her on drug. He got her
Speaker 1: on drug.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that's why when we see Tyrone in
Speaker 4: the room and he's banging out that girl, He's like,
Speaker 4: you're the beautiful, beautiful girl I've ever seen, foxy, foxy girl,
Speaker 4: you've ever seen so Yeah, so I know neither Miriam
Speaker 4: ends up at a sex party because she's desperate.
Speaker 3: For drugs and she gets the dreaded the dreaded.
Speaker 4: Spike ass to ask treatment manne.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, I don't know, like.
Speaker 7: It was wild, just the whole thing and how they
Speaker 7: portrayed it.
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, that ship was wild.
Speaker 2: And she was funny when he was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so we got this thing going on on Sundays and
Speaker 2: she was like, you know, he threw that ship.
Speaker 3: Why are you playing?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah, the thing.
Speaker 3: It was like a two two things black thing. It
Speaker 3: wasn't nothing little about that motherfucker. Can't stop playing.
Speaker 1: That thing was huge.
Speaker 5: I know, I'm just saying it was the double sided dial.
Speaker 5: Nobody's afraid to say it. No, they put the juice
Speaker 5: on it, the.
Speaker 1: Juice up what.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: No, anytime I've watched that movie, I'm sorry. That ship
Speaker 4: freaks me the fuck out. That thing is huge.
Speaker 3: And yeah, this is probably the most one of the
Speaker 3: most disturbing scenes in the whole film.
Speaker 2: It is all I could think about was like, damn,
Speaker 2: like marrying, being in a situation she clearly doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be in, but she has to do it in
Speaker 2: order to feel this addiction, you know, because she you
Speaker 2: can see it on her face.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry, but yeah, she was like man like,
Speaker 2: she didn't want to be there, she wanted to leave,
Speaker 2: but it was our only way she.
Speaker 1: Could get drug.
Speaker 2: So I guess her family cut her off.
Speaker 4: That part isn't all the way clear, but I assumed
Speaker 4: they give her an allowance and maybe she just it
Speaker 4: wasn't time for the allowance yet, or maybe her parents
Speaker 4: did cut her off because she started asking too much money.
Speaker 4: I never really got that fully, but yeah, her doing
Speaker 4: the ass to ask it was like you could tell
Speaker 4: by her face, Jennifer Connolly killed this because you could
Speaker 4: tell that she was just like mortified.
Speaker 3: Yeah that she has to do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, this this shi is so disturbing.
Speaker 1: So she was doing it.
Speaker 4: I was like, God, but yeah, So they at the hospital,
Speaker 4: they convinced Sarah to sign some paperwork for an experimental
Speaker 4: treatment which ends up being shocked therapy. Yeah, which this
Speaker 4: part really gets me every time I see it. So
Speaker 4: was this sad when her friends came to see.
Speaker 3: Her and she was just basically.
Speaker 7: Gone, yes, yeah, y'all cry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was their fault. It was because they
Speaker 2: told her to get on that ship. Well one of
Speaker 2: them kim which one, but one of them did they
Speaker 2: but they didn't know she would abuse it.
Speaker 1: Do you ever really know?
Speaker 4: I feel like they knew she was what's she a
Speaker 4: little self She didn't really have low self esteem. I
Speaker 4: don't think that they knew that she was going to
Speaker 4: go that far. I don't think they would have ever
Speaker 4: told her about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they probably just experienced regret for telling her
Speaker 2: about it, and this is they probably feel guilty about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think they ever intended for something like this to happen.
Speaker 4: They loved her, you know, and I think that they
Speaker 4: really just wanted her to be on TV and maybe
Speaker 4: they wanted to live vicariously through her. But when she
Speaker 4: has the opportunity, yeah, because she has the opportunity to
Speaker 4: be like and plus they'll be able to say, look up,
Speaker 4: my friend is on TV. My mom is like that,
Speaker 4: look at my friend, look at my friends she's on TV.
Speaker 4: But when she comes out of her hair that she
Speaker 4: was trying to get red so she could be on TV,
Speaker 4: and it's just chopped off and gray. And the final
Speaker 4: scene is her dreaming about being on TV. She this
Speaker 4: is still the one thing she's stuck on being on TV,
Speaker 4: and having Harry come out and he's just gotten engaged
Speaker 4: and he tugs her, and then the movie movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it was almost like Frankenstein shocking her ass.
Speaker 3: Look at.
Speaker 1: She was gone.
Speaker 3: It was from where she started to crazy, really crazy.
Speaker 2: Harry was seeing Marion on the dock, yes, in a
Speaker 2: red dress, in the red dress which is the same
Speaker 2: color her mom was trying to get and his bond
Speaker 2: was trying to get into which psychoanalyzing that Yah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: looking for the mom, the mother figure in her Yep, damn, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: She never got that call from the TV from the
Speaker 2: game show, did she.
Speaker 3: She never got the call. Well, she got the call
Speaker 3: saying she was going to be on there.
Speaker 1: So it was a real call. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: real call.
Speaker 4: They called her at the beginning of the movie to say,
Speaker 4: you know you've won, You're gonna at least we assume.
Speaker 4: I mean, I never thought about the fact that she
Speaker 4: could have been imagining this, but I don't think she was.
Speaker 3: No, she wasn't because the mailman brings her the paper.
Speaker 3: So no, that part is real.
Speaker 4: So they did call her saying you're gonna be on TV,
Speaker 4: they just never told her when. Yeah, so that's why
Speaker 4: she kept checking the mail being like when is it
Speaker 4: gonna happen?
Speaker 3: And it doesn't happen. I think they said these things
Speaker 3: could take time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she never got the second call saying you know,
Speaker 4: this is your date.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 4: So she she ends up getting stuck in the institution
Speaker 4: and the last thing she we see her dreaming about
Speaker 4: is still going on TV.
Speaker 3: And now her brain is just gone.
Speaker 4: It's fried from the pills and then legit fried from
Speaker 4: the shock therapy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that was my take.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think everything in this movie is about
Speaker 4: everybody's lonely and everybody's trying to find some kind of place.
Speaker 4: And did y'all catch how the seasons? How it was
Speaker 4: broken up in the seasons? Yeah, from the summer where
Speaker 4: you start starting. I came, if it's started in summer
Speaker 4: or not, you think it might have started? So they
Speaker 4: flashed on the screen every time.
Speaker 1: Now I call Hi.
Speaker 2: Every all four of them ended up. I think all
Speaker 2: four ended up in a infantile position at the end. Yeah, Harry,
Speaker 2: Mariam curled up because.
Speaker 1: She she got she had a score, right she Yeah, she.
Speaker 4: Was the only one that kind of won in the end.
Speaker 4: But now we can assume that this is going to
Speaker 4: be her life because she got what she needed. Because
Speaker 4: she went and sold herself out for this part.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to keep doing this.
Speaker 4: She's gonna have to keep doing this because now she's
Speaker 4: gonna be super addicted. But the whole Seasons thing is
Speaker 4: dope because this is how drug addicts are. It's like
Speaker 4: you take the drugs to bury whatever the problems are
Speaker 4: that you have.
Speaker 3: You're high for a little while, then you have a
Speaker 3: massive down, then you get high again.
Speaker 4: Massive down is a big you know cycle. So I
Speaker 4: think it's dope that they worked in the Seasons that
Speaker 4: way and it ultimately destroys your dreams absolutely or whatever.
Speaker 5: Like you you have these aspirations, yeah, you have these
Speaker 5: aspirations to do things, but you get on these drugs
Speaker 5: and then I mean, because we see with artists, right,
Speaker 5: it'd be like like artists they get on drugs with
Speaker 5: Miles Davis like some of the greatest people like you
Speaker 5: do these things to get to another place and then
Speaker 5: end up you end up being consumed by it and
Speaker 5: you all together.
Speaker 1: And all four of them had a dream.
Speaker 3: All four of them had a dream, and all four
Speaker 3: of them their dreams were.
Speaker 1: Ruined because of the drug.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so, yeah, I think this is a brilliant film.
Speaker 3: Still you ain't changed your mind, huh So, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is fun, Darren.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm glad you brought it up. I don't
Speaker 1: think I like his movies. Remember I didn't like The Well.
Speaker 1: I wasn't how on the Well got fat for Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was that that one.
Speaker 5: I think he just got big just heah. I thought
Speaker 5: that was no, no, no, no. He put on a suit,
Speaker 5: remember remember he got it was his pushback from that.
Speaker 5: It was just like, why you just didna get obese person?
Speaker 1: But he gained weight for the role.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but still had to put on prosthetics and that
Speaker 5: people we were I knew something it was fake.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, people.
Speaker 5: Were accusing him, well not accusing him, but they was
Speaker 5: accusing Yeah, I guess the director for not using a
Speaker 5: actual obest person so black Swan, Mother one.
Speaker 3: I think I did like what. I thought you said
Speaker 3: you didn't like never that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love that. I thought he said he
Speaker 1: didn't like No. Yeah, I think I have to go
Speaker 1: back and watch what did it?
Speaker 4: Probably I could see would not like Mother, though I
Speaker 4: can see why he would not like Mother.
Speaker 1: Mother.
Speaker 3: Mother is all fucking over the place now, that one is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Well, I definitely didn't enjoy that one.
Speaker 3: The Fountain is really good.
Speaker 2: I don't remember Black Swan, but I remember watching it.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I remember watching I don't remember I remember watching
Speaker 2: Black Swan, so I haven't rewatched it to make see
Speaker 2: if I liked it or not. But if I don't
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 3: So he could see to make trippy movies then or
Speaker 3: arts movies, And.
Speaker 2: I may feel the same way about Mother. But yeah,
Speaker 2: when I looked at everything he made, I was nothing.
Speaker 2: Really I remember the movie, but nothing stood out. But
Speaker 2: I definitely remember the Well, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 1: I like his movie.
Speaker 3: I can see it.
Speaker 4: I mean, his movies are very weird, they're very choppy,
Speaker 4: they're kind of all over the place. They don't tell
Speaker 4: the traditional narrative in a traditional way. I you know,
Speaker 4: he's one of those directors where I wouldn't be like what,
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that you don't like Nah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: I think his movies are fucking great, with the except
Speaker 4: of the Wrestler, which I didn't love.
Speaker 3: I like the Wrestler too. Yeah, the Wrestler didn't do
Speaker 3: it for me, but everything else I think has been great.
Speaker 1: So I did a Wrestler as a solo.
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched it, but I saw that you did it.
Speaker 4: Now because I was assuming, I was like, why did
Speaker 4: they make him do the Wrestler?
Speaker 1: Of all movies?
Speaker 5: This just made me do American X. I got a
Speaker 5: recorder X, so I got to record that. Did you
Speaker 5: watch it?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 7: Oh shit, oh I'm definitely. Yeah, it's a scene I
Speaker 7: want to know about.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what? All right, you already know what.
Speaker 4: Let's end this all right. Well, thank y'all for listening,
Speaker 4: Thank y'all for I guess nobody recommended this on our own.
Speaker 4: But yeah, maybe we'll have to discuss Aaronofsky one of
Speaker 4: these days.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, let us know what.
Speaker 4: Y'all thought, and uh, leave some comment shows with a friend,
Speaker 4: and we will see y'all next time.
Speaker 1: We out peace,