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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Day.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of The Frame Second Podcast. I

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Speaker 3: am your host with the evening. My name is Mike.

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Speaker 3: Next Man, I have Spike, Next Spike, I have Ken Can, I.

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Speaker 4: Have Rod, and we are gonna be giving our thoughts

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Speaker 4: on brooking for a dream. This is the you say,

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Speaker 4: twenty years twenty five year anniversary, which is crazy crazy

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Speaker 4: crazy crazy.

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Speaker 3: So let's do a quick around the room. I'm a

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Speaker 3: I'm anna end on Spike.

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Speaker 4: But Rod, I assume this is not your favorite, your

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Speaker 4: first time seeing this movie?

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you think of this movie?

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Speaker 1: Very creatively done movie?

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Speaker 3: Nah, I man, they did. They did some some really cool.

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Speaker 1: Stuff with filmmaking here, I mean and storytelling honestly.

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Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, this has definitely.

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Speaker 1: Been one of those. I think this is like one

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Speaker 1: of those first.

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Speaker 5: Artsy movies I've seen, like A twenty four was art like,

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Speaker 5: kind of like your artsie like that. This is probably

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Speaker 5: my interest. I want to see my introduction. I'm sure I'll

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Speaker 5: see some stuff before this, but yeah, it's definitely one

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Speaker 5: of the first ones I saw that was kind of artsy.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I enjoyed that this then, and I

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Speaker 3: think it still holds up today.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, what about you, Ken?

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Speaker 2: This was my first time watching this movie, and it

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Speaker 2: felt like I was on drugs watching I watched it

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Speaker 2: late Saturday night, early Sunday morning. Halfway through I was

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Speaker 2: starting to fall asleep. But it was just more just

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Speaker 2: late than anything. But it was a lot like going on.

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Speaker 2: It was for neetic. It was chaotic, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I think, of course all that was very intentional. So

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Speaker 2: I do agree with a lot of what you're saying

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Speaker 2: about it. The story felt disjointed, even though you can

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Speaker 2: understand what was going on.

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Speaker 6: It was just just constantly moving, moving, moving, moving, and

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Speaker 6: they he really put you into visually audibly to a

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Speaker 6: certain degree, the world of being hooked on something, on

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Speaker 6: an addiction and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So overall I thought it was it was fine. You know.

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Speaker 1: I can see how at that moment in.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand maybe this was like, oh my god, this

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Speaker 2: is like amazing, you know, But visually how he shot

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Speaker 2: and edited and all those stuff, I canna understand the

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Speaker 2: hype behind it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm cool on it. Oh you're cool on it? Okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it didn't feel like I missed out on anything.

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Speaker 3: Really, Nah, spiked do you feel like you missed o?

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Speaker 7: God, No, I could understand like what Ken was saying

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Speaker 7: as to why a lot of people would have liked

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Speaker 7: it because how differently that it was done in the

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Speaker 7: year two thousand. But now I feel like there's much

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Speaker 7: more stuff maybe the stem from this or just that's

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Speaker 7: better than this, that tells the story like in this

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Speaker 7: type of way, like this just joy to just like

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Speaker 7: take you right in the in the story. I don't

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Speaker 7: know why I've been in the patent when it's same,

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Speaker 7: but for some reason, like uncut gems or something like that,

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Speaker 7: it reminded me of just being in the phonetic pace

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Speaker 7: of it stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I disagree with y'all big time. This movie is incredible.

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Speaker 4: I think this really captures how addicts are inspite you

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Speaker 4: should know this very well being from that.

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Speaker 1: Uh this really I mean any.

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Speaker 4: Addict that I've met and actually become sort of friends

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Speaker 4: with these motherfuckers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Agree, God, this was and the relationship with the mother

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Speaker 4: and then the way that they filmed it, I thought,

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Speaker 4: everything is just this movie is incredible. It's incredible, and

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Speaker 4: I believe chat correct me if I'm wrong, but I

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Speaker 4: believe this was the first time we saw Marlon Wallie's

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Speaker 4: doing something.

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Speaker 1: Drama, drama related.

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Speaker 4: I'm almost positive this was his kind of breakout dramatic

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Speaker 3: He killed it.

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Speaker 1: He was better than Jared Letto to me. Yeah, job,

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Speaker 1: I like Jared Letto to.

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Speaker 3: Him, and him and Jennifer Connolly and the mom I

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Speaker 2: She was one moment And that was way in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: We was doing that crackhead dance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah records, yeah, yeah, but it was both of them

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Speaker 2: and so but that was it.

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Speaker 1: That was like it. That wasn't really a lot of

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Speaker 7: It reminded me of my boy from Joungle Fever.

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Speaker 3: Sam Jackson.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Day, all right, well let's go ahead and get on

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Speaker 4: into it.

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Speaker 1: Don't get her into a day.

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Speaker 4: It starts off with us meeting Sarah go Goldfarb and

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Speaker 4: her son Harry. Harry's an addict who is taking Sarah

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Speaker 4: TV to get hair with his boy Tyrone, after which

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Speaker 4: Sarah immediately goes down there to buy the TV back. So, Spike,

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Speaker 4: how did you think, what'd you think about how this opens?

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Speaker 7: What what is happening right now?

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Speaker 1: As far as just the.

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Speaker 7: Scene and the tone. I was kind of compelled. But again,

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Speaker 7: maybe if I've seen this in two thousand, then it

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Speaker 7: would have been different. But I was just like, God,

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Speaker 7: what am I gonna get into?

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Speaker 3: Damn Ken?

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Speaker 1: What did you think about? How? It was not much

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was just waiting, okay, to be fair, though, when

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Speaker 2: I when I made it home, it was like we

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Speaker 2: had just finished no limit thing. So I got home,

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Speaker 2: I you know, started to be I had it rolling.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were going to really jump right

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Speaker 2: into it like that. So I was walking around making

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Speaker 2: wasn't paying all that much attention. I was because I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna miss too much of anything.

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Speaker 1: So her going to bouy the TV. But all right, cool? Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Immediately the acting was the performance was great from the

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Speaker 5: mother like the way uh, it's just was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: you could just tell how how good this was gonna

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Speaker 3: He was acting straight up like a crack at it.

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Speaker 3: And the mom was acting kind of paranoid.

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Speaker 5: Even when she was talking to the like the imaginary father,

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Speaker 5: uh and all of that. The yeah, that like all

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Speaker 3: When you see through the keyhole you see him through.

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Speaker 5: It was just so brilliantly done with like no one

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Speaker 1: It was very very intriguing.

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Speaker 5: And then the whole like him going to this place

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Speaker 5: he was going just to buy it back. I mean, man,

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Speaker 5: I thought this was great. It was a great opening,

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Speaker 7: I could see that from a filmmaking standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, for me, it was great.

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Speaker 2: Fact that it was a white and black at part

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Speaker 3: Busted ass Yeah yeah, so no, it was It was cool.

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Speaker 4: So Sarah gets a call that she's going to be

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Speaker 4: into her black dress. We also meet Mary and who's

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Speaker 4: Did y'all take anything from that? Sounds like no, wait wait,

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Speaker 4: it's just for anybody.

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Speaker 1: I got distracted. I'm sorry said something about Mary.

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Speaker 2: You remember the conversation because because look, the storyteller was

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Speaker 2: like it was choppy, man, it wasn't that chip it

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Speaker 2: was I didn't feel like it was choppy.

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Speaker 1: I followed it quite.

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Speaker 4: I think it was how they how they It was intentional, obviously,

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Speaker 4: because they definitely bounced back and forth between characters.

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Speaker 3: I was asking.

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Speaker 4: She's describing uh maryon Harry's girlfriend, describing her relationship with

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't remember this part, damnit. So this

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Speaker 4: But she's talking about how she does she's not close

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Speaker 4: mean They always give you money and you should be happy,

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Speaker 4: and she's like, yeah, but that's all they give me

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Speaker 4: is money. So there seems to be no emotional relationship

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Speaker 4: between Marion and her family. But y'all don't seem because

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Speaker 4: she's looking. But she's looking because she's looking for acceptance.

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Speaker 1: She looking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I also got that she's looking for an emotional

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 4: Harry and Tyro decide they're gonna work their way up

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Speaker 4: to buying some pure drugs so they can make so

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Speaker 4: much money that they don't have to keep pulling small tricks.

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Speaker 1: Anymore.

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Speaker 4: But two questions. One were y'all surprised at the moment

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Speaker 4: that they immediately tried it. But were you also surprised

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Speaker 4: that they seemed to pull this off.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised that they pulled it off. I was.

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Speaker 2: I definitely wasn't surprised that they tried it. What I

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Speaker 2: thought was funny was the reason why when he was like,

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Speaker 2: this is business.

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Speaker 1: They kind of fooled me.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that makes sense when he said, I

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but they I was.

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Speaker 2: But I think them trying it and not like using

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Speaker 2: their own product, and that they continued to run the

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Speaker 2: to follow through.

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Speaker 1: I was impressed by that. I thought they did a

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Speaker 7: I was shocked that they pulled it off. I did

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Speaker 7: not have any faith in them at all. And as

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Speaker 7: somewhere different from what I expected.

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Speaker 2: I was just waiting for one of them to just yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: just started using the money.

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Speaker 5: I thought somebody was stealing that money. No, It's definitely

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Speaker 5: not a typical story of an attic. So yeah, it

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Speaker 5: was interesting that they were able to pull it off,

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Speaker 5: and then they had some sort of common sense about it.

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Speaker 1: Was this, was they using some of that money to

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Speaker 1: fund their habits too, right, Yeah, just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but not not enough to just destroy.

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Speaker 2: The whole right, but it makes sense, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's an incentive.

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Speaker 1: A business, you know, a mission statement.

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Speaker 4: I hear this from every crackhead that this is this

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Speaker 4: is the goal, Like, let's let's stop what we're doing,

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Speaker 4: let's try to stack our cash and get some pure

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Speaker 4: and then we'll be rich. And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I'm obviously the first time I

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Speaker 4: be able to pull.

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Speaker 1: This off, and in fact they did. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: good for y'all.

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Speaker 4: Y'all gonna crash at some point. But so Sarah goes

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Speaker 7: It's like myth. Yeah, like molecule away from myth, I

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Speaker 4: I think so, or it at least gives you the

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Speaker 2: He was basically naked, right basically what he was you

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Speaker 2: Then even when he was having it was the imagery

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Speaker 3: Why does Harry lie to his mother about his.

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Speaker 4: I mean, would she be that surprised if he keeps

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Speaker 1: This because I'm doing this, Like she wouldn't want to

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Speaker 1: hear that story. Well, I like did he?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like that he came to a census

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying I want to get her something nice.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And it was specific, right because he knowed that he

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Speaker 1: And so the fact that he.

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Speaker 4: So that's why he's lying about what he does because

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: Because she wanted to oh, because that was the dress

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Speaker 4: From I can't rememb if but she starts talking about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, the the motivation for her

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: And and she was fascinated by the show, and and

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Speaker 5: I just think it's interesting to see twenty five years

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Speaker 1: And all that type of shit, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: It is like you know, just selling this dream of

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Speaker 3: So, I don't know. I thought that was a good

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Speaker 1: He just pushed this pill to it.

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Speaker 5: It was a pill pusher, just like all right, we'll

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Speaker 2: Issues, just like here, just take this, yeah, take care

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Speaker 7: Both times, yeah, both times. It reminded me of azimpic that.

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Speaker 7: That's funny that you say that too. But to the

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Speaker 3: Oh that's what you mean.

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Speaker 4: And when she starts talking about I don't have any

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Speaker 4: She's like, oh, you have friends, Ma, what about your

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I feel like that's I thought I

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Speaker 3: I literally asked.

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Speaker 3: There was never that feeling that she was by helf.

449
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 1: Or anything like that.

450
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: My mom, my mom kept the man.

451
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 5: So it's like, yeah, I never thought my mom was

452
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 5: I don't think she ever was.

453
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 3: In my mind, my mom is straight.

454
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: She was never lone. Yeah.

455
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: I never took it as my mom being lonely.

456
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be here this long if I thought that

457
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: was the case, Like, I probably would have been back

458
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,239
Speaker 5: home at some point. But so, yeah, I think my

459
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 5: mom was straight. So this didn't really hit me the

460
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 5: same way.

461
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, yeah, so good.

462
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 3: It's good though, because she was great. She yeah, she

463
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,719
Speaker 3: was really good.

464
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: I meant I went and looked her up afterwards to

465
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: see what else she was in, because she was great

466
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: in this.

467
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 3: Well, where'd you think about what was happening in the

468
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 3: cab when Harry leaves?

469
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: What happened in the cab?

470
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: He starts crying immediately?

471
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember exactly what happened. He starts crying immediately.

472
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 4: And then he takes a hit and then the oh yeah, yeah,

473
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: completely composed.

474
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 3: Everything is fun. I thought the way they did this,

475
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 3: anytime they do the scene where it's like.

476
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: Fine, no, it's good, it's so good.

477
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 5: It's good because woman, when Jennifer Conley was looking in

478
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: the mirror, she was just like damping and then she.

479
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah after after after they did it. Yeah, they did

480
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: it with everyone.

481
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 4: Although I didn't get her seen very much. I was like,

482
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: why who stands in the mirror with just the top

483
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 4: on but part of the winn.

484
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 3: What you saying the ben like whinny the pool Brian

485
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 3: for family guy?

486
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: What are you doing? That's hilarious?

487
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 3: O my god, what a reference?

488
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

489
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 4: Okay, uh I I I'm afraid to even ask you

490
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 4: all this, but what did y'all think of the scene

491
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: where Tyrone is meeting with the drug dealers?

492
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: In the car.

493
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: I like that scene. I bet you did.

494
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 3: I bet you did like that.

495
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: I like that.

496
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Say at this point, I fe like this movie was

497
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: all over the place. Yeah, it was a lot going on.

498
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: Remember the scene all over the place. Yeah it was.

499
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: It felt very chaotic for me. And I know that

500
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: was an intent, but still, and.

501
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: I got all the feelings the intent behind it. But

502
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: but yeah, but I did like this.

503
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: You stupid, don't even do it.

504
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: You don't even you have to do that.

505
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. I got.

506
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 3: Let's yo, what the fuck?

507
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Why do they do this? I don't know why they

508
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 1: did this?

509
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: And they I feel him though, he's the head.

510
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Ah should I see he had. If there's one thing

511
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.

512
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 5: Say, I'm gonna say that is this party.

513
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, but I would just let you know that

514
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: because I really mean this ship.

515
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so bad, I'm gonna try to say

516
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: some ship I can't say.

517
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was funny, it's gonna register. This whole scene

518
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 5: was cray.

519
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 4: When he says, oh you got a white you got

520
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: a white driver, and they just start busting in the back.

521
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

522
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 5: And the way they when, Yeah, that was good. They

523
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 5: were doing some really creative ship on this direct. So

524
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 5: Sarah's having issues with the pills she's taking.

525
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: What did y'all think about the scene where she's in

526
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: the doctor's office, because this is another one of my

527
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 4: fas ever seens the whole film.

528
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: Is just when they were four fingers all their food, but.

529
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: Just when she goes to the doctors office to tell

530
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: the doctor that something's wrong and they don't really give

531
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: a fuck.

532
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: He just changed the prescription. Yeah, but then he kept

533
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: her on the pills.

534
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 4: I think he increases the prescription because her body is

535
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: getting acclimated to the pill.

536
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you know because she calls

537
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: you like, yes, not having the same effect, you might

538
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: just getting used to it. Yeah, and he just up

539
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: the dosage, which you know which doctors, Yeah, they do that.

540
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Ship all the time.

541
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: But remember this particular scene.

542
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: People coming back, because when the because she's sitting there

543
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: like and look and she's like in the corner of

544
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: the screen and he's far away.

545
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: He just kind of comes in.

546
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: He turns around, didn't even really look at her, and

547
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: down gave it to her and then bounced.

548
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

549
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: That was that was That was a pretty pretty dope shot.

550
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: How they did that, but he didn't give two fout.

551
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 7: It was accurate of like just how doctors sometimes are.

552
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: That's what I was.

553
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's all I was saying earlier, how they

554
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 5: didn't even look at it, not trying to create any

555
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: type of attachment to this, and started to.

556
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 4: Right, that's get yeah, Like she is in slow motion

557
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: and for her, the entire scene is slow motion, but

558
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: he's talking fast.

559
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, this ship is so good because she was like,

560
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 5: did you hear that or something like that?

561
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, she hears like a bang behind her.

562
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the way the scene is done is so good.

563
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 4: All right, So Miriam starts sucking her therapist for drug money,

564
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 4: but she doesn't have a connect. So while Miriam is

565
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: going crazy trying to find drugs in the house, Harry

566
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 4: and Tyrone go to the back of a supermarket to

567
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 4: score some pure but things go wrong as always, But

568
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 4: as the truck takes off, they see that it's a

569
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 4: Florida truck and they decide to drive to Florida.

570
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Is this a good plan?

571
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: No plan, y'all can't even get that even though that

572
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: was your fault, addict to the truck, you keupt plan

573
00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: for that. But because they were using the money that

574
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: Marian got for Harry to go buy the drugs right

575
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: because they had to use their stash to get Tyrone

576
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: out of jail, to bell Tyrone out of jail, which

577
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: made them low. And I thought it was fucked up

578
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: that he even asked her to go do that.

579
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: That's that's some drug addict shit.

580
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: Yep, I know. But I was like, yo, fuck therapist.

581
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was trying to because you were like,

582
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: you don't know because that was the first time doing it.

583
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: See, I don't know.

584
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: As many times I've watched this film, I'm always fuzzy

585
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: on that part.

586
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 5: Oh what he said, He said, it sounds like she's

587
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: done it's done it before. She's like, he was just like,

588
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: I don't want you to do that again. Okay, yeah, yeah,

589
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 5: she had already done it before. Yeah, that's what I thought.

590
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: But something but there was something else that she says

591
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 4: that makes yeah, because when she says, you don't know

592
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 4: what he's gonna have me do. So that's why I'm

593
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: kind of fuzzy. I'm like, Okay, has she done this

594
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: before or has she not?

595
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: Maybe she's done something else. Maybe she just sucked his

596
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: dick once.

597
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Or something.

598
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't tell.

599
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 7: Maybe he got last time and then she knows it's

600
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 7: gonna get wilder this time.

601
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Maybe, or maybe maybe he made advances towards her. She

602
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: knew that that was gonna be the if. If she

603
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: was asking for money, that was going to be the payment. Yes,

604
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: and she already knew that off rip, so but she

605
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: went and went through it.

606
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: I love the way he did that where uh.

607
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: She would like turn the lights off, and as soon

608
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: as the lights went off, he just ravished her. I

609
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: thought that that was that was that was the body

610
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: kind of just shows that part.

611
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 5: And that was another indicator too that they had done

612
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: it before. He said that he never won them off before.

613
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, so never mind, Yeah, no,

614
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: you're right. Well, you know she had did it before,

615
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: so I guess maybe Harry knew that.

616
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: That's why he got the idea.

617
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: She was like, well, I know, yeah, no, damn you

618
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: own girl.

619
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: Hey, bro, times are hard caught out here for a pimp,

620
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: all right.

621
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: So because her body starts to get acclimated to the pill,

622
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: Sarah starts taking more of them at a time. What

623
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: did y'all think about the scene where the people from

624
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: the TV break into her.

625
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 7: Realityferator refrigerator beat her up, happening right now.

626
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: She was on the trip.

627
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: Man, She's gone, yeah, but I did like that, like

628
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: the effects of that, especially for that time. But they

629
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: were coming out of the TV and looking like they're

630
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: from a television.

631
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: What did it signify? I don't know if I thought

632
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: about it that deep?

633
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: Damn yeah, So do you okay? Do y'all?

634
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: Remember when the people come out of the TV, they

635
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: immediately start judging her.

636
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: They like, look at your house. It's so small and

637
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: it's dirty.

638
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: I think this this implies how inadequate she feels as

639
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: a person.

640
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: Again, she's lonely, she lives by herself.

641
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: The people coming out of the TV and they immediately

642
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: start judging her and making fun of her.

643
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: I think what they're showing is this and this.

644
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 4: Remember this is right before she has her full mental break,

645
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: So this is like a manifestation of how she sees

646
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 4: this show as the only thing that's important to her.

647
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: Right now, she's trying to get into this red dress

648
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: so she can get onto the TV, and once she

649
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: gets there, she will feel accomplished. So of course, when

650
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: she has the full break. The only thing she's seeing

651
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: is what's happening in the show coming into her reality.

652
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: They bust through the walls and they start setting up

653
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: microphones and stuff on her, and this is when she

654
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: has a full mental break and ends up at the

655
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: studio where they film the show and they call the

656
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: cops on her, which lands her in a mental institution.

657
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: But Harry and Tyrone are on their way to Florida,

658
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: during which time we see that Harry has a pretty

659
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: bad infected.

660
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Wound on his arm from shooting us.

661
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: We also see Mariam ends up at my boy Little

662
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: John's place, having to get a little attention.

663
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 7: To Big John.

664
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: So who has it worse at this moment of the.

665
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 5: Story, He said, what do you say? He's saying, I

666
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: ain't pull it out because it's pretty. Is that he

667
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 5: said that it's pretty to look at something. I know

668
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 5: it's pretty to look at it, but I ain't pull it.

669
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 5: I ain't pull it out for fresh air.

670
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 7: The worst place, because she really didn't want that happen.

671
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: She does she even know who he was.

672
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: The number was on the back of that picture. Remember,

673
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: uh huh, I forgot how they got the number. But

674
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: the number was written down on something that she found

675
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: in the apartment. I don't remember, though, the number was

676
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 4: written down and she called it because he was the.

677
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 3: Guy that I remember remember him.

678
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do remember when Okay, when Tyrone and Harry

679
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: are walking around and Harry is like, hey, don't you

680
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: got that one guy's number? And he's like, well, yeah,

681
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: but he doesn't sell drugs.

682
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: He only gives out drugs. And he says, you know,

683
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: I tried to give him something, but he said I

684
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: wasn't cute enough.

685
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: I do remember that conversation.

686
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: So Harry got the number from Tyrone.

687
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: So this guy is known for giving out drugs, but

688
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: he doesn't sell them.

689
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: He will only give you drugs if you give him

690
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: some ass.

691
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: And Marion overheard that conversation.

692
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: No, I think Harry told her.

693
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: But we never saw it.

694
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure we saw it. I just don't remember, right.

695
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure we saw him tell her.

696
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: I think you're right, but I don't know if he

697
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: was talking to because I remember Harry saying that. We

698
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: don't know if he was talking to Tyrone or her.

699
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: It's when they get in a fight, remember they get

700
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: in a fight. He's like, just go to this I

701
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: wouldn't have to be out in the.

702
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: Streets because I tell you what I thought was happening

703
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: before I realized it was. It was that guy. I

704
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: thought he was asked because they shit was so fucked up.

705
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: I thought he was asking her to double back. And

706
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: then I know it was this black guy. So when

707
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: I heard him talking about yeah, but he doesn't basically

708
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: everything you just said. When they were talking about that,

709
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: I thought they were talking about the therapist. So I

710
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: got getting stuff on that unless I'm getting mixed up. No, no, no,

711
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: you're right, I just got mixed up. When I was

712
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: watching it. I thought that's what he was talking about. Remember, like,

713
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm watching this thing, and this thing just is not very.

714
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Linear for me.

715
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: So when I heard that conversation, I was like, oh,

716
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: he's asking her to go back. And then there was

717
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: this black guy. I'm like, what what the.

718
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Fuck did he come from? Because that was his first

719
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: appearance in the movie.

720
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, we hadn't seen him, we just heard about him.

721
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: So Sarah is in an institution right now and the

722
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: orderlies are forcing her to eat. Did you notice the

723
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: conversation that the orderlies are having.

724
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: No, I did not, or I do not remember. So

725
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: they're talking.

726
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: One of the guys is talking about being at a

727
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: casino and he's talking about how the security guy showed

728
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: up and was like telling him did he have to leave?

729
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: And he didn't want to leave because he wanted to

730
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: keep playing.

731
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: So they're just.

732
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: Making it.

733
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was dope. And the fact that

734
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: they're treating her like that. Yeah, this this this, this

735
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 4: ship was.

736
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: Hard for her food because she don't want to.

737
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to eat, which was in her dress.

738
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: You know.

739
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: It's another thing that happens because you know, sometimes they

740
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: want to lose weight so they stop eating.

741
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: But you know, give my visa. Yeah, it's pretty upe.

742
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: So Tyrone and Harry go to the hospital because of

743
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 4: his arm, which lands them both in jail because the doctor,

744
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 4: of course calls.

745
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 5: The cops the way the way he was looking at

746
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 5: his and then morphine or whatever that was.

747
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

748
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: So Tyrone ends up being convicted and is relegated to

749
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 4: working his time off in this horrible prison and has

750
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: the detox while in there, and all he can dream

751
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: about is his mother's embrace.

752
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: Just do anything for y'all.

753
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: There was a callback.

754
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: To I feel bad for Tyrone because they called him

755
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: a nigger and Harrod was next to him, and he

756
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: ain't really he talked bad to Harry too, but ship

757
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: he just like, bro, you it almost like he was

758
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: just a little bit less than human then her he

759
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: was absolutely Yeah. And then because I was, I was

760
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: really curious to see how he would view and talk

761
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: to Harry and and yeah, he just talked to him

762
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: like he was just a drug added.

763
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: That was it.

764
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: But this guy was and you know, of course you

765
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: know that I can assume meant that he definitely got

766
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: mistreated while he was in prison.

767
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: So he's in prison, you know, and Harry, well.

768
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: We're just talking about Tyrone now, but yeah, he's in

769
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: prison and probably just getting abused there.

770
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: And of course the detalks.

771
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: That's the thing that got me is the fact that

772
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: they're forcing him a detox in this prison. And then

773
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: when they show the scene where he just rolls over

774
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 4: and he curls up into that fetal position again, then

775
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: you see the vision of his mother. Man, it's like

776
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: all he wants is his mom at this.

777
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Point, and the didn't imagine he's if he's had that vision,

778
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 2: he's thinking about the conversation and then he's in jail

779
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: and he did not make me, but he still loves

780
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: his mother's mother.

781
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

782
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: So Harry, after having a dreamer, he's running down the

783
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: docks to Mariam, who's coincidentally in a red dress.

784
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: He wakes up in the hospital with his arm amputated.

785
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: So was it sad how he woke up saying Mariam's

786
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: name And then the nurse is like, who is that?

787
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: We'll call for her and she'll come, and Harry's like, Nah,

788
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: she's not gonna.

789
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Come because she wasn't at the docks anymore.

790
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 4: At the docks, and I think he realizes that this

791
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: is not a real relationship.

792
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: So he's like, why I was thinking about the mom. No, no, no, Marriam.

793
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: So he's like yeah, so he's he's saying she's not

794
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: gonna come, She's not gonna come.

795
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: Okay, uh yeah yeah yeah. But why would he realize

796
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: that it's not a real relationship though.

797
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: Because everything is is based on drugs to them, because

798
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 4: remember he has the phone call with her.

799
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like can you come now? And he's just like, Noah.

800
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 4: I can't, I can, but he he knew he couldn't.

801
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he was lying to her, and but I

802
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: just looked at it as they were just both in

803
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: very precarious situations that they were. I think they still

804
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: would have been together, but they were just unable to.

805
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: Like I think if she was able to go see him,

806
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: she would have went. You don't think she would have went.

807
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: I don't think.

808
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: But he doesn't know that she's in a precarious situation.

809
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 4: He has no idea what she's doing, what she's doing

810
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: or where she is.

811
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: In order to get by, but he still says.

812
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 3: She's not going to come. She won't come.

813
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: I think he don't know the reason.

814
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 7: He just know she ain't because he knew it was

815
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 7: what he thought it was exactly.

816
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it was what either one of them

817
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: thought it was.

818
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: I think so the whole point is, to me, at least,

819
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 4: everybody in this movie is lonely. Everybody in this movie

820
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: is looking for some kind of connection. Harry has his mom,

821
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: but he has no connection with her. His dad is gone,

822
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: but he has Miriam, so he's dumping everything into her.

823
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: Mariam has nobody. She has money, she has access, but

824
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: she has no emotional connection to anybody, even her parents.

825
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: So she's dumping everything into Harry. But when you say

826
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: it's like a Corda Pender relationship, they're not really in

827
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 4: love at all. You need finish, I need you finishing

828
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. Then you have Tyrone, who is lonely because

829
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: he has no one. His mother is dead. The only

830
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: person he really cared about is gone, so he's just

831
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: dumping everything into drugs.

832
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: And then his friendship with Harry. Then you have Mariam.

833
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: I'm not Mariam Sarah, who her husband's gone.

834
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: All she has is good Harry, and then Harry keeps

835
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: fucking taking her TV. So it's like everybody in this

836
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: movie is just dreadfully lonely. So I think this is

837
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 4: just another sign that Harry is just gone. He's just like,

838
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: there's no reason for Mariam to come because this isn't

839
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: a real relationship.

840
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: So she was with Harry because Harry showed interest in her.

841
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Whow was Harry with her?

842
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: Same reason, same reason. They all they all looking for

843
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: emotional codependency.

844
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: And they just all just having to start doing drugs

845
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: together because he got her on drug. He got her

846
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: on drug.

847
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that's why when we see Tyrone in

848
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: the room and he's banging out that girl, He's like,

849
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 4: you're the beautiful, beautiful girl I've ever seen, foxy, foxy girl,

850
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 4: you've ever seen so Yeah, so I know neither Miriam

851
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: ends up at a sex party because she's desperate.

852
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: For drugs and she gets the dreaded the dreaded.

853
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: Spike ass to ask treatment manne.

854
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, I don't know, like.

855
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 7: It was wild, just the whole thing and how they

856
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 7: portrayed it.

857
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, that ship was wild.

858
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: And she was funny when he was like, yeah, you know,

859
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: so we got this thing going on on Sundays and

860
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: she was like, you know, he threw that ship.

861
00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: Why are you playing?

862
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah, the thing.

863
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: It was like a two two things black thing. It

864
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: wasn't nothing little about that motherfucker. Can't stop playing.

865
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: That thing was huge.

866
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: I know, I'm just saying it was the double sided dial.

867
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: Nobody's afraid to say it. No, they put the juice

868
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: on it, the.

869
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: Juice up what.

870
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: Right?

871
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 4: No, anytime I've watched that movie, I'm sorry. That ship

872
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 4: freaks me the fuck out. That thing is huge.

873
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, this is probably the most one of the

874
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: most disturbing scenes in the whole film.

875
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: It is all I could think about was like, damn,

876
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: like marrying, being in a situation she clearly doesn't want

877
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: to be in, but she has to do it in

878
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: order to feel this addiction, you know, because she you

879
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: can see it on her face.

880
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: You know.

881
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry, but yeah, she was like man like,

882
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: she didn't want to be there, she wanted to leave,

883
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: but it was our only way she.

884
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: Could get drug.

885
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: So I guess her family cut her off.

886
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 4: That part isn't all the way clear, but I assumed

887
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: they give her an allowance and maybe she just it

888
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: wasn't time for the allowance yet, or maybe her parents

889
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: did cut her off because she started asking too much money.

890
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: I never really got that fully, but yeah, her doing

891
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 4: the ass to ask it was like you could tell

892
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: by her face, Jennifer Connolly killed this because you could

893
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 4: tell that she was just like mortified.

894
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah that she has to do this.

895
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, this this shi is so disturbing.

896
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: So she was doing it.

897
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: I was like, God, but yeah, So they at the hospital,

898
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: they convinced Sarah to sign some paperwork for an experimental

899
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 4: treatment which ends up being shocked therapy. Yeah, which this

900
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: part really gets me every time I see it. So

901
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: was this sad when her friends came to see.

902
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: Her and she was just basically.

903
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 7: Gone, yes, yeah, y'all cry.

904
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was their fault. It was because they

905
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: told her to get on that ship. Well one of

906
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: them kim which one, but one of them did they

907
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: but they didn't know she would abuse it.

908
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Do you ever really know?

909
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: I feel like they knew she was what's she a

910
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: little self She didn't really have low self esteem. I

911
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: don't think that they knew that she was going to

912
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: go that far. I don't think they would have ever

913
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 4: told her about it.

914
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they probably just experienced regret for telling her

915
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: about it, and this is they probably feel guilty about it.

916
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

917
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 4: Don't think they ever intended for something like this to happen.

918
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: They loved her, you know, and I think that they

919
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: really just wanted her to be on TV and maybe

920
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: they wanted to live vicariously through her. But when she

921
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: has the opportunity, yeah, because she has the opportunity to

922
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: be like and plus they'll be able to say, look up,

923
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 4: my friend is on TV. My mom is like that,

924
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: look at my friend, look at my friends she's on TV.

925
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: But when she comes out of her hair that she

926
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 4: was trying to get red so she could be on TV,

927
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: and it's just chopped off and gray. And the final

928
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: scene is her dreaming about being on TV. She this

929
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: is still the one thing she's stuck on being on TV,

930
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: and having Harry come out and he's just gotten engaged

931
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 4: and he tugs her, and then the movie movie.

932
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it was almost like Frankenstein shocking her ass.

933
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: Look at.

934
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: She was gone.

935
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: It was from where she started to crazy, really crazy.

936
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: Harry was seeing Marion on the dock, yes, in a

937
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: red dress, in the red dress which is the same

938
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: color her mom was trying to get and his bond

939
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: was trying to get into which psychoanalyzing that Yah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

940
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: looking for the mom, the mother figure in her Yep, damn, yep.

941
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's pretty good.

942
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: She never got that call from the TV from the

943
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: game show, did she.

944
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: She never got the call. Well, she got the call

945
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: saying she was going to be on there.

946
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: So it was a real call. Yeah, it was a

947
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: real call.

948
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: They called her at the beginning of the movie to say,

949
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: you know you've won, You're gonna at least we assume.

950
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I never thought about the fact that she

951
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: could have been imagining this, but I don't think she was.

952
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: No, she wasn't because the mailman brings her the paper.

953
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: So no, that part is real.

954
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 4: So they did call her saying you're gonna be on TV,

955
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 4: they just never told her when. Yeah, so that's why

956
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: she kept checking the mail being like when is it

957
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 4: gonna happen?

958
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 3: And it doesn't happen. I think they said these things

959
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: could take time.

960
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, she never got the second call saying you know,

961
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: this is your date.

962
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Damn.

963
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 4: So she she ends up getting stuck in the institution

964
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: and the last thing she we see her dreaming about

965
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 4: is still going on TV.

966
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: And now her brain is just gone.

967
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: It's fried from the pills and then legit fried from

968
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 4: the shock therapy.

969
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that was my take.

970
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I think everything in this movie is about

971
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 4: everybody's lonely and everybody's trying to find some kind of place.

972
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: And did y'all catch how the seasons? How it was

973
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: broken up in the seasons? Yeah, from the summer where

974
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: you start starting. I came, if it's started in summer

975
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: or not, you think it might have started? So they

976
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: flashed on the screen every time.

977
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: Now I call Hi.

978
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: Every all four of them ended up. I think all

979
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: four ended up in a infantile position at the end. Yeah, Harry,

980
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Mariam curled up because.

981
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: She she got she had a score, right she Yeah, she.

982
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: Was the only one that kind of won in the end.

983
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: But now we can assume that this is going to

984
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 4: be her life because she got what she needed. Because

985
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: she went and sold herself out for this part.

986
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to keep doing this.

987
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: She's gonna have to keep doing this because now she's

988
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: gonna be super addicted. But the whole Seasons thing is

989
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: dope because this is how drug addicts are. It's like

990
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: you take the drugs to bury whatever the problems are

991
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: that you have.

992
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: You're high for a little while, then you have a

993
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: massive down, then you get high again.

994
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 4: Massive down is a big you know cycle. So I

995
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: think it's dope that they worked in the Seasons that

996
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: way and it ultimately destroys your dreams absolutely or whatever.

997
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: Like you you have these aspirations, yeah, you have these

998
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 5: aspirations to do things, but you get on these drugs

999
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 5: and then I mean, because we see with artists, right,

1000
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 5: it'd be like like artists they get on drugs with

1001
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 5: Miles Davis like some of the greatest people like you

1002
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: do these things to get to another place and then

1003
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 5: end up you end up being consumed by it and

1004
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: you all together.

1005
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: And all four of them had a dream.

1006
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: All four of them had a dream, and all four

1007
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: of them their dreams were.

1008
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: Ruined because of the drug.

1009
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so, yeah, I think this is a brilliant film.

1010
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: Still you ain't changed your mind, huh So, yeah, this

1011
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: is fun, Darren.

1012
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm glad you brought it up. I don't

1013
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: think I like his movies. Remember I didn't like The Well.

1014
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't how on the Well got fat for Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1015
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: I don't think I was that that one.

1016
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 5: I think he just got big just heah. I thought

1017
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 5: that was no, no, no, no. He put on a suit,

1018
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 5: remember remember he got it was his pushback from that.

1019
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 5: It was just like, why you just didna get obese person?

1020
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: But he gained weight for the role.

1021
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, but still had to put on prosthetics and that

1022
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: people we were I knew something it was fake.

1023
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, people.

1024
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: Were accusing him, well not accusing him, but they was

1025
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 5: accusing Yeah, I guess the director for not using a

1026
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 5: actual obest person so black Swan, Mother one.

1027
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: I think I did like what. I thought you said

1028
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: you didn't like never that.

1029
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love that. I thought he said he

1030
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: didn't like No. Yeah, I think I have to go

1031
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: back and watch what did it?

1032
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: Probably I could see would not like Mother, though I

1033
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: can see why he would not like Mother.

1034
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: Mother.

1035
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: Mother is all fucking over the place now, that one is.

1036
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Well, I definitely didn't enjoy that one.

1037
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: The Fountain is really good.

1038
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: I don't remember Black Swan, but I remember watching it.

1039
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact.

1040
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: Honestly, I remember watching I don't remember I remember watching

1041
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 2: Black Swan, so I haven't rewatched it to make see

1042
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: if I liked it or not. But if I don't

1043
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: remember that.

1044
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: So he could see to make trippy movies then or

1045
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: arts movies, And.

1046
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: I may feel the same way about Mother. But yeah,

1047
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: when I looked at everything he made, I was nothing.

1048
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: Really I remember the movie, but nothing stood out. But

1049
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: I definitely remember the Well, and I was like, I

1050
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: don't think.

1051
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: I like his movie.

1052
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: I can see it.

1053
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: I mean, his movies are very weird, they're very choppy,

1054
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: they're kind of all over the place. They don't tell

1055
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: the traditional narrative in a traditional way. I you know,

1056
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 4: he's one of those directors where I wouldn't be like what,

1057
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that you don't like Nah, it makes sense.

1058
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 4: I think his movies are fucking great, with the except

1059
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 4: of the Wrestler, which I didn't love.

1060
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: I like the Wrestler too. Yeah, the Wrestler didn't do

1061
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: it for me, but everything else I think has been great.

1062
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: So I did a Wrestler as a solo.

1063
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: I saw that.

1064
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: I saw that.

1065
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: I haven't watched it, but I saw that you did it.

1066
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: Now because I was assuming, I was like, why did

1067
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 4: they make him do the Wrestler?

1068
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: Of all movies?

1069
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 5: This just made me do American X. I got a

1070
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 5: recorder X, so I got to record that. Did you

1071
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 5: watch it?

1072
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: Yes?

1073
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 7: Oh shit, oh I'm definitely. Yeah, it's a scene I

1074
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 7: want to know about.

1075
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh you know what? All right, you already know what.

1076
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: Let's end this all right. Well, thank y'all for listening,

1077
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 4: Thank y'all for I guess nobody recommended this on our own.

1078
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, maybe we'll have to discuss Aaronofsky one of

1079
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: these days.

1080
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: But but yeah, let us know what.

1081
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: Y'all thought, and uh, leave some comment shows with a friend,

1082
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: and we will see y'all next time.

1083
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: We out peace,