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Speaker 1: Casey Show. So yesterday we talked about on the show

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Speaker 1: this pole that came out from Mike Brown's home county,

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Speaker 1: I said to myself, and we talked about this yesterday on.

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Speaker 2: Here, wait a second.

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Speaker 1: This has way more to do than just people being

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Speaker 1: We've got a guy, because I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: this centers around this Mid States Corridor project. Jason McCoy

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Speaker 1: joins us. Now. Jason is the president of the Property

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Speaker 1: Rights Alliance down in southwestern Indiana. So tell us about

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Speaker 1: this poll, because you were part of the group that

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Speaker 1: approved this poll. Were you surprised to see sixty two

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Speaker 1: of the job he's doing.

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Speaker 3: Definitely not No, not at home. No.

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Speaker 4: Why well, because eighty one percent of the people in

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Speaker 4: the polls say that they're vehemently opposed to the construction

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Speaker 4: of this road. It's forty six million dollars a mile

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Speaker 4: in dot has not been able to articulate a need

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Speaker 4: You know, Braun is in the trucking business, want this road.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say this road and this is

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Speaker 1: what's important we're talking about, and I look, I I

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Speaker 1: got admit. I was totally the sleep of the switch

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Speaker 2: Then I did.

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Speaker 1: I said, Oh, my gosh, you're talking about the Mid

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Speaker 1: States Corridor project.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Mid State's Corridor, that's what they're calling it now.

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Speaker 4: Back in twenty eleven, one of Mike Bron's friends, Hank Minky,

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Speaker 4: he called the sixty seven Exchange or the sixty seven

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Speaker 4: built for years and years. It would never pass referendum.

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Speaker 4: The public simply wouldn't allow it. And only through the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple of things. When you're talking about

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Speaker 1: a part of connecting sixty four to sixty nine, basically

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Speaker 2: That's correct, okay.

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Speaker 1: And when you talk about Mesmer, you're talking about now

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Speaker 1: Congressman Mark Mesmer, who was a state Senator at the time.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And Mike Braun was a member of the Indiana House

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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, so it goes back before that. So when

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Speaker 4: I think maybe around twenty seventeen when they started working

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Speaker 1: Okay, so get if you're just joining us. Jason McCoy

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Speaker 1: is our guest. He's the president of the Property Rights

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Speaker 1: Alliance in du Bois County, and they are the folks

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Speaker 1: And Jason and many other people feel this way is

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Speaker 1: saying it relates to Braun's long time support of this

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Speaker 4: Mean absolutely, Although my family owns a farm one hundred

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Speaker 1: Also, so why is Braun in so in support of

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Speaker 4: So it's not as much Mike Braun, in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: in the trucking business, right he does. Between him, Between

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're saying is and so Meyer Transportation

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Speaker 1: name of the company that Braun owns. He's owned it

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Speaker 1: since the nineteen eighties according to their website. And look,

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Speaker 1: they're a mega company. They always try to they always

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Speaker 1: try to promote Braun as hey, he's some sort of

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Speaker 2: This is a.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you go back to Dubois County Free Press starting

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Speaker 4: you can get the entire rundown of the inception of

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Speaker 1: Some people might be asking, how is this not a

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Speaker 1: conflict of interest? Because if you're you own a certain

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Speaker 1: seems wrong to people. Have there been people down into

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 4: But in speaking with people around Dubois County, even businesses

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Speaker 4: we don't want this road. We don't think it's going

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Speaker 4: to be good for our business. Any bypass around a

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Speaker 4: town oftentimes devastates the local economy. But Mike Bron's used

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Speaker 4: Mike Bron's going to get it. So yeah, absolutely, people

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, let's let's let's stop on that, because then

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Speaker 2: Again, if you're just joining us. Jason McCoy as our guest.

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Speaker 1: He is the president of the Property Rights Alliance down

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Speaker 1: into Boise County. We're talking about the Mid States Corridor

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Speaker 1: And there's so many layers. There's no way we're gonna

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Speaker 1: would you say OURDA tell us what OURDA means and why.

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Speaker 1: That's a part of this conversation.

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Speaker 4: So Regional Development Authorities came under Pence's administration through Eric Dodin.

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Speaker 3: He set these up.

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Speaker 1: It was a good guy preomentor by the way he didec.

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Speaker 3: He did head of the IEDC.

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Speaker 4: In fact, in talking with him, he looked over this

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Speaker 4: particular RDA down here in Jasper, and one of his

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Speaker 4: It seems like something different than what I you know,

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Speaker 4: things imminent domain to have the power. These are not

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Speaker 4: They have imminent domain powers. It's this entire process. One

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Speaker 1: Again, just tuning in our conversation day with Jason McCoy's

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Speaker 1: So is it because you guys did polling on more

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Speaker 1: talking about, look at how poor Lebron's doing in his

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Speaker 1: how the results shook out on the Mid State's quarter

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Speaker 3: Well, we can.

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Speaker 4: One of the things I'll tell you, though, Rob, before

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Speaker 4: do their own poll. There are many ways in which

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Speaker 4: They weren't interested in that, and so we commissioned our

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Speaker 4: four percent of voters polled in Jasper said that they

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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned the mayor of Jasper.

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Speaker 1: That's very interesting because you said he is a big

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Speaker 1: proponent of this. His resignation was just announced, correct today, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I consider Mayor vander Heide a personal friend. But we

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Speaker 4: know that Braun has told him point blank, you need

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Speaker 4: to get your city council in line. We're losing our

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Speaker 4: You need to get your city council in line. And

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Speaker 4: probably two weeks ago, I think when the poll came out,

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a quick break. I just joining us

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Speaker 1: our guest, Jason McCoy. He's the president of the Property

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Speaker 1: Rights Alliance down to southwest Indiana. We're talking about this

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Speaker 1: poll that came out that showed people in du Bois County,

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Speaker 1: Mike Broun's home county, they are angry.

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Speaker 2: Sixty two percent.

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Speaker 1: Of the disapproving of the job he's doing, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of it relates to his support of the mid

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Speaker 1: States Corridor Project.

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot more to get to stick arounds.

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Speaker 1: Kennelly Casey Show ninety three WIBCN.

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Speaker 3: On the line through this hand of it keeps me.

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Speaker 1: He's the president of the Property Rights Alliance, and he

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Speaker 1: We're talking about this pole that the group he's affiliated

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Speaker 1: And before we go further, Jays, I kind of just

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Speaker 1: So you've got Braun, who owns this my distributing and

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Speaker 2: Business out of this.

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Speaker 1: Did is that one of the major concerns people have

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Speaker 4: Now, that's what we all believe here, Yeah, and we

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me run one more thing by you,

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So then people are saying, well, what have you

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Speaker 1: And I can't help but think, because can you give

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Speaker 2: This on their own right.

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Speaker 4: No, it's three point four billion dollars is what the estimate.

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Speaker 4: Now that doesn't even include a land acquisition, right, acquiring

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Speaker 4: He can't get that built with state funding. There simply

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Speaker 1: So could a reasonable person potentially hop to the conclusion though,

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny people talk about Braun being a

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Speaker 1: Now, look, it doesn't mean that's what's happening. You have

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Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting, though, that his Lieutenant Governor,

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Speaker 1: this Mid States Corridor project and just how load that

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Speaker 1: Do you guys have any support inside the General Assembly?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any allies in there? Anybody fighting for

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Speaker 4: Well, it's very important that you've allowed us to come

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Speaker 4: are people starting to pay attention right now. I will

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Speaker 4: tell you that the re dististing issue has helped so

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Speaker 4: many people have said, well, we don't quite understand why

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Speaker 4: we all completely understand it.

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Speaker 3: It's no mystery to us.

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Speaker 1: And you think, do you is it your belief then that,

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Speaker 4: That is that is rob That is the general consensus

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Speaker 1: That is under like the Senate everything, the run for governor,

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Speaker 4: People believe that connect the dots. Do the math, take

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Speaker 4: think you Beloor was appointed to in dot commissioner. They

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Speaker 4: will encourage you to go to Dubois County Free Press

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Speaker 4: I'm no conspiracy theorist, but we see this every single.

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Speaker 1: Day and they can't. It is your belief. You guys

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Speaker 1: They cannot do this without huge help, not just on

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Speaker 3: It's not just paperwork and permitting.

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Speaker 4: A Senate Bill one twenty eight opened up the door

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Speaker 3: You know, there's that, and.

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Speaker 1: Why is the like? And look, I'm guilty of this.

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Speaker 1: And if you you guys don't put this poll out,

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Speaker 1: Because I felt the same thing about a client elter.

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Speaker 1: I thought the same thing about Jamie Noel. Why is

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Speaker 4: You know, it is a big story to us down

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Speaker 4: One hundred and sixty five do Boys County residents who

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Speaker 4: We've got the backing of him. We can show up

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Speaker 1: The man of the people, Todd Raketa, he's putting the

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Speaker 4: When these people called Tom Kleinhelter, the sheriff, and asked

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Speaker 3: This is it. No, this is this is this is

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 4: This is a state police matter right now, and it

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Speaker 4: just so happens. I don't think coincidentally that Mike Bron's

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Speaker 1: So, how are you guys doing the property rights alliance?

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Speaker 4: So one of the things that they need that in

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Speaker 4: reiterate upon information and believe Braun told Dean vonderheide our mayor,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you need from the people down

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Speaker 4: Well, we need people to start paying attention right this,

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Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons Mitch Daniels was able

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Speaker 1: I people want to learn more about what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: maybe support your or maybe just get more information how

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Speaker 3: Please do so.

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Speaker 4: You know, Property Rights Alliance dot org. We have a

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Speaker 4: I'm dealing with this and we and so more and

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Speaker 4: more people have got on board. Stop the Mid States

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Speaker 4: cord Or Coalition on Facebook is another one of our

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Speaker 1: All right, Jason McCoy property writes the lines, thank you,

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Speaker 1: my friend, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Rob ninety three WIBC. It's Kenell and Casey Show.