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Speaker 2: So this is in response to the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean you know that graphic video spread

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Speaker 2: Calling it a cancer on our society. I think there's

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Speaker 1: people hate Braun so much? Now he was there when

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Speaker 1: people were chanting fight fight fighting. Was it the center

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Speaker 1: of it? He rolled up his sleeves.

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Speaker 2: You got the impression, Yes, this guy's looking out for me.

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Speaker 1: People believe that nobody gives a damn about them. Why

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Speaker 1: do people listen to us because we care? Even people

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Speaker 1: They know it's genuine, They know our opinion of these

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Speaker 1: people and how we feel about this stuff. It's in

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Speaker 1: the fiber of my being. And if the politicians would

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Speaker 1: to hear what we have to say. The politicians are

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Speaker 1: to know you should never be violent, should never do

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Speaker 1: what that guy do against Charlie Kirk. But I am not,

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Speaker 1: for one second ever going to feel bad about being

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that if you were to change your

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Speaker 2: presentation or your delivery that you might be more effective?

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Speaker 1: No, because I've tried that. I tried for a year

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Speaker 1: to be nice to all these people. I did whatever

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Speaker 1: all this time, all these years are men awec You

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Speaker 1: know you'd get further, if you were just nicer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll try that for a year. What did that get me, Casey?

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Speaker 2: It didn't work out side.

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Speaker 1: I got lied to and screwed. I got lied to,

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Speaker 1: manipulated and screwed. And then as a result of that,

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Speaker 1: the people I love, our audience, got lied to, manipulated

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Speaker 1: and screwed. It doesn't work with these people. You can't

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Speaker 1: be nice to them.

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Speaker 2: Not only that, but I don't think you'd be being

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Speaker 2: true to yourself if you toned it down.

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Speaker 1: No, I Jesus is are I genuinely dislike the now?

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Speaker 1: And I know we gotta get to a breaker. I

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Speaker 1: we always like in my personal life, I am not

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Speaker 1: off the rails Rob Kendall, like, I don't just run

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Speaker 1: around shouting about politics. But I believe the things that

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Speaker 1: I say here, and I believe them in my personal life.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons my blood pressure is always so low,

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Speaker 1: and they're always like, you get it out from nine

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Speaker 1: tois it's all out. Once I'm done, it's done. But

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Speaker 1: I believe all the things I tell you here. I

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Speaker 1: believe I load these people with every fiber of my being,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think we're the bad guys because we

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Speaker 1: call them out, all right. When we come back a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, we've done a story. There is

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Speaker 1: a group who has recognized here in Indiana, who has

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Speaker 1: recognized how poorly the Republicans and Democrats are doing when

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Speaker 1: it comes to governing. Independent Indiana is their name, and

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Speaker 1: their mission is to break that stranglehold and try to

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Speaker 1: elect as many independent candidates for public office as they can. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think they're up against a major it's a major

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Speaker 1: hill to climb. But Nathan Gotch, who is the executive

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Speaker 1: director of Independent Indiana, is going to be with us

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Speaker 1: and tell us why he believes Indiana is ripe to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of independent candidate selected. It's coming up

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Speaker 2: Next on ninety three WYBC