1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: another special in studio guests. First to twenty twenty six, the. 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Governor of the Great State of Indiana, Governor Mike Brawn, 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: joining us. Governor, Happy New Year. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 3: How were you same to you guys, and I'm fine, 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: You're looking good. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. 8 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Did you make it to midnight New Year's Eve? 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 4: First time? We checked out at eleven? 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so close you got there. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were back home. 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: We had spent the first time ever family Christmas outside 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: of Jasper, had the whole crew, all the kids, spouses 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: and seven grandkids, and they were tearing that place up. 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 4: I bet they do the days to clean up. They 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 4: do that. Governor. 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: We've been speaking for about thirty seconds, and I'm sure 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 2: there's probably somebody already yelling at me on the YouTube. 19 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 5: Why aren't you talking about property taxes yet? 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Like that's all we get when we bring you in 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: studio is the property tax folks. 22 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 5: And I get it because honestly, I'm one of them. 23 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 5: Two is one of them. 24 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: It's still a big issue in the Indiana State House. 25 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: I know this is a short session that is taking 26 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: place at the State House. 27 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 4: Right now. 28 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 5: But where are we at on property taxes? 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: So property taxes to get more of what we started, 30 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: we won't get that until we open up the budget 31 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: in twenty seven. The only thing we're going to get 32 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: would be the complaining that's come from school districts, but 33 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: local governments mostly would be to make a few technical 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: adjustments and it won't change the essence of that bill. 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: I know some wanted it to be reset, and that 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: was never going to probably get through because you saw 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: how close the boat was. We ended up with two 38 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: to spare in the Senate, but there was a lot 39 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: in there and a lot of people thought it was confusing. 40 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: But the simplicity of it that most overlook is in 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: households regardless of value, will be fully two thirds of 42 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: it exempted from taxation between now and thirty one. And 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: if you tried to do it any quicker, you'd have 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: to come up with other sources of revenue to fund 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: even now, the tamp down version. Of course, that's got 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: local governments, mostly run by Republicans, still up in arms, 47 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: right so, and that's who the Senate was listening to. 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: And if you recall, we fixed that because I feel 49 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: like that. 50 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: Now you fix that in a way to where you'd 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 3: have to get people in there more sensitive to what 52 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: grassroots conservatives are interested in. And that gets you so far. 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: But if you're not showing up at those school board 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: meetings at the. 55 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 4: County council, city council. 56 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 3: And complaining, you know who is the lobbyists that represent 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: school boards and local governments, because. 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: The school boards are going to come out and say, 59 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: you want little Timmy to suffer if you get property 60 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: tax relief, and for whatever reason, that seems to work. 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: All these referendums. I don't want to say all, but 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: most of these is. 63 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: This isn't being forgotten because twice a month now I'm 64 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: meeting with grassroots conservatives, different groups from around the state 65 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: that are echoing just what you're saying. But the reality 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 3: is that's when it will have to be done, and 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: then the chorus for more is going to have to 68 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: be done in a way that you're just not complaining 69 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: about it scattered across the state. You're getting into the 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: council meetings because it's mostly local governments that are complaining 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: the loudest currently right that they can't live with it. 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: It's going to cause the end of the world in 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: terms of services and so forth. But we've tamped down 74 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: what they can do. There are now lids on it, 75 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: but it wasn't what some wanted. And I know you've 76 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: got an individual hair that still is up about it. 77 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: And I spend less time complaining and getting ready to 78 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: marshal the resources when the next opportunity comes along. 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: Speaking with Governor Mike Brawn here on the Hammer in 80 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: Nigel Show, I want to get into the public safety 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: and drug seizures statement that you put out earlier today. 82 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: We'll get to that here in just a moment, but 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest stories is what's happening 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: in Minnesota with the fraud and Governor Tim Walls finally 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: holding his feet to the fire up there. How do 86 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: we note that's not taking place here in Indiana. 87 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: Well, because we've been looking into that from the moment 88 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: I got here. And Medicaid was an alluring thing for 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: many states because they said, we'll even pay a higher percentage, 90 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: but it's run so poorly. We found out there were 91 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: like over ten thousand people on Medicaid in our state 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: that should have been on Medicare. Of course, if they'd 93 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: been on Medicare, there would have been no burden to 94 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: the state. But you get fat and sloppy when you 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: get all that money slushing around. A lot of it 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: got woven into what we did. Like on ABA therapy, 97 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: we had people moving to our state and that's to 98 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: treat autism. And through Medicaid it went from almost nothing 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: to millions and millions of dollars. So if you didn't 100 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: do common sense things we were advertising to bring more 101 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: people into a medicaid system, we found out people were 102 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: double dipping in this state and other states. That's how 103 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: poorly run it is. But in that short period of time, 104 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: we got a guy named Mitch Robe who was here before. 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: In the Daniels administration. Excellent. 106 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: He's finding all of this stuff. I call it low 107 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: hanging fruit. And what you had in Minnesota was something 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 3: that was scaled to a level to where there there 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: was no interest in it. So we got noticed because 110 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal is paying attention and we're leading 111 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: the country in terms of doing common sense stuff on 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 3: raining and medicaid, so it doesn't become an issue that's unsustainable. 113 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 5: So when you find fraud and you find money. 114 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: I know, Minnesota we're talking about billions of dollars taxpayers 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: have been screwed out of what becomes of that money? 116 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: What can be done with the money if it's recovered. 117 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: Well, you're not spending as much going forward because you've 118 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: cut it off. We are not finding like where you 119 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: created childcare centers and you actually weren't doing anything. 120 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 4: I mean you remember had the leering center, the liing. 121 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: Yes, so they were so blatant that no one even 122 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: checked that out. That's what happens when you run your 123 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: state like the federal government is run, and Indiana's never 124 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: been in that position. Mitch Daniels took over after sixteen 125 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: years of Democrats, and we were a purple red state 126 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: in the red Financially, we were losing money. And when 127 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: you I always say, have acronyms like the BMV not 128 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: working bureau motor vehicles, everybody's in a bad mood. That 129 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: was a disaster, a basket case. So he turned around 130 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. He never did get around to 131 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: reorganizing state government, which is the biggest accomplishment we've made 132 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: since we've been here. It's being run like a business 133 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: with entrepreneurial leaders in these major agencies and running these 134 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: policy silos to where you heard recently that budget forecast 135 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: that was based upon tariffs, which was kind of a 136 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: phony thing to base a forecast on. We are now 137 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: have recovered in real cash flow as you extrapolated forward 138 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: the billion dollars shortages that we were going to have. 139 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: And that's by running the government more efficiently. You don't 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: get credit for that. No one talks about it, but 141 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: it's prepared us better than almost any other state. Not 142 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 3: to mention, we're not going to tolerate things hopefully won't 143 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: get to ever a fraudulent level. That means you're not 144 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: paying attention. Tim Walls had to be completely putting a 145 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: sack over his head and letting that happen. And when 146 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: you're talking about a state that's smaller than we are, 147 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: that had maybe up to a nine billion dollar case 148 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: of fraud, well you can see he's not running for reelection. 149 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: Speaking with Governor Mike Braun here in the Hammer of 150 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: Nigel Show, tell us more about the statement out of 151 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: your office about the drug cazars and public safety. 152 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 4: I saw the. 153 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: Seven million dollars drug bus the other day. Do you 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: see that seven million dollars out of a semi truck 155 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: with being motorized being driven by two illegal immigrants exactly 156 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: a million dollars worth of I think coke, right. 157 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: So we've got that run. The guy that runs Office 158 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: of Public Safety is our Superintendent of State Police, Anthony Scott. 159 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: And along with Anthony came a guy named Chris Hill, 160 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: and they were highly supported by rank and file state 161 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: police guys across some guys across the state. They've been 162 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: doing what just wasn't being done before the past administration 163 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: got to give them credit. They got state police pay 164 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: up to peer state levels. It's now forced local police 165 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: departments and sheriffs to do the same thing. And I'm 166 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: going to be behind that good pay and benefits for 167 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: a job that's one of the riskiest that's out there. 168 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: We're doing all those kinds of things and I'm telling 169 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: them push the limit, get out there and where you 170 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: weren't pulling over suspicious vehicles. Do so we saw what 171 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 3: happened with these CDLs that were getting given out of 172 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: a slot machine. Evidently in California that's no good. But 173 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: you know where they're going to come through Indiana eventually, 174 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: because we are the crossroads of America, and we got 175 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: more interstate miles per square mile of state of any place, 176 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: So sixty five and sixty nine that was a highway 177 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: for cartels. You even got towns like Seymour Seymour that 178 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: have found more activity than what's normal. And that's because 179 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: the flow has been cut off by President Trump on 180 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: the same legislative template Biden had. He just put emphasis 181 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 3: on controlling the border, and Biden said, come on in, 182 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: we want you as voters someday. So that's been at 183 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: least half to two thirds because the flow is not there. 184 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: The other third is that imagine with all the drugs 185 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: coming across, it'd be like chasing your tail to make 186 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: a dent. 187 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: Now, seven million dollars could be nothing to the cartels 188 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: now since they've. 189 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 4: Got so much less coming in. That's a lot. 190 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: And we're interdicting and finding stuff now because it's going 191 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: to be easier and it's going to make a bigger dent. 192 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: And then when you look the basic measurement, when I 193 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: found out that overdoses went down sixty percent in the 194 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: year that we've been here, from over sixteen hundred to 195 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: five hundred and sixty two. What a measurement. It says 196 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: you're doing it right. When you look at what we 197 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: did in terms of seizing, it was fourteen hundred pounds 198 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: nearly of cocaine, eighty three pounds of opioids. That has 199 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: been a significant disruption of the cartel supply chain, and 200 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: we're going to keep doing it, and we're doing it 201 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: more than any state, and we're in a state where 202 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: we need to because so much of it comes through us. 203 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Governor, we got about a minute left here. We want 204 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: to be respectful of your time. Folks on our YouTube 205 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: chat want to know how's the relationship going with you 206 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: and the Lieutenant governor twenty twenty five. I feel like 207 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: had its ups and downs. There were a few moments 208 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: where you probably had to say, let's pump the brakes 209 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: a little bit on some of the stuff you're doing 210 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: to the lieutenant governor. 211 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 5: How's twenty twenty six looking. 212 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 4: So that is kind of fake news to begin with. 213 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: He's got some youthful exuberance that gets out there now 214 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: and then I've told him, don't make headlines for the 215 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: wrong reason. But his conservative values and syncd up have 216 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: been good. And if you're getting into the headlines, you 217 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: got to remember mainstream media is going to contort it 218 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: blow it out of proportion, and our relationship is good. 219 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: We're meeting tomorrow for a brown bag lunch at the Capitol. 220 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 3: I do that with the other state leaders every month, 221 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: and well the brown men. I actually brought some chicken 222 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: and mushrooms that we made over the weekend and I'm 223 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: going to eat out of it, not although I like that. Okay, 224 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: you're not above bb of Jay's fantastic. Yeah, you know 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: when I do that normally between ten and eleven o'clock 226 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: when I shouldn't. 227 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: There you go, Governor Mike Braun. We appreciate your time, 228 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: and again, thank you so much for coming by making 229 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: time for here on the Hammer and Nigel Show. 230 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: Very welcome.