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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal, Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. What are we going to do when

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Speaker 1: there's no more shutdown? We don't have to have the

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Speaker 1: shutdown press conferences from the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are we going to fill our time?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wait, We've got other actual things to do and we

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Speaker 1: don't need this crap in our life. That is correct.

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Speaker 1: That well done, Well played, Tony Katz. Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're on day thirty four of this nonsense. The Senate

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Speaker 1: unable to do its job, and somehow they think they

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Speaker 1: deserve our respect. Democrats who absolutely believe in power over

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Speaker 1: all things, and Republicans who now have a president saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: get rid of the filibuster, which would only give.

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Speaker 3: The left more power if they were to get into power.

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Speaker 3: Why do it?

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Speaker 1: There are places where I like a good risk, in

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Speaker 1: places where I think the risk is not necessarily worthwhile

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Speaker 1: you're winning this battle, well, Tony, fifty two percent of

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Speaker 1: Americans think that Republicans are keeping the government shut down.

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Speaker 1: With all due respect, I have got one hundred pieces

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Speaker 1: of polling that could take you in any which direction,

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Speaker 1: including which Republicans are winning and independents are favoring Republicans

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Speaker 1: on the shutdown. The Democrats are lying, so let's admit it.

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Speaker 1: Let's state it the way it is. And they want

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Speaker 1: they want to blame Republicans for killing Grandma. First, you're

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Speaker 1: not getting gramma health care. Then you're not feeding Grandma.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to see that Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Are the ones who have allowed this to happen.

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Speaker 1: Democrats are the ones not voting for their continuing Resolution.

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Speaker 1: There is no question that it is on them. But regardless,

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Speaker 1: you don't get rid of the filibuster. Redistricting my favor.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good fight. Getting rid of the

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Speaker 1: President Trump, to have that happen. It's gonna work out poorly.

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Speaker 1: Let's not do things that work out poorly. Let's go

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Speaker 1: about winning more elections. There will be times to engage reconciliation.

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Speaker 1: There might be a time to get rid of the filibuster.

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Speaker 1: That could possibly happen, but this is not it. This

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Speaker 1: is the capitulation, and I don't think Republicans should be

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Speaker 1: engaged in capitulation. They did everything right. They passed a

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Speaker 3: What is at fifteen plus times.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming we're gonna hear it from Speaker Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 3: That's the end of the ballgame. It's really a kind

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Speaker 1: Conversation for some when they're like, Hey, I'm an air

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Speaker 1: traffic controller, I'm not getting paid. I hear you. I'm

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Speaker 1: I hear you. The benefits that provide me food are gone.

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Speaker 1: Now there are two things to think about here. The

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Speaker 1: We have forty million people on food stamps, on these benefits.

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Speaker 1: That's gross. It's gross. We shouldn't look at this and

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Speaker 1: say this is an important program. This is absolutely going

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Speaker 4: What the welfare system and other kinds of governmental programs

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Speaker 4: are doing is paying people to fail. In so far

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Speaker 4: as they fail, they receive the money. In so far

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Speaker 1: To schools with low scores. In so far as the school.

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Speaker 4: Improves its education, the money is taken away, So that

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Speaker 1: As clear as day, the economist Thomas Soul that's years old,

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Speaker 3: People are off of it.

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Speaker 1: But the program is designed to keep dependency on the program,

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Speaker 3: The distinctions and the lines. One thousand percent.

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Speaker 5: Just this morning in a very brief and concise manner,

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Speaker 2: Maredith, let me see the first light here. Here's the

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Speaker 5: The ob false claim of the Democrats is that Republicans

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Speaker 2: I've heard them say this myself. You've all seen it

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Speaker 5: They're blaming the shutdown on the Republicans, and it is

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Speaker 2: Now, remember how this came about.

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Speaker 5: Back in September nineteenth in the House, Republicans in the

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Speaker 5: By contrast, the Democrats have voted no every single time.

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Speaker 2: It makes no sense.

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Speaker 5: It's the most extreme example of gas lighting in the

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Speaker 2: And many in the media have allowed them to get

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer likes it when your kid starves and dies.

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Speaker 3: That guy's a filthy animal. I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: That is gross stuff and not the politics that I want.

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Speaker 1: But here we are, that's what they're saying. Say it, well, Tony,

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Speaker 1: you gotta hold the standard. I need to get the

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Speaker 1: there's forty million people on this benefit.

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Speaker 3: I think it's ugly. We've got a real problem in

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Speaker 1: And we got to turn to people and say, government's

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Speaker 3: And you say to me, my god, Tony, these are children.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say to you, when exactly do we solve

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Speaker 3: You're just terrible.

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Speaker 1: You're going to destroy a nation because you won't tell

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Speaker 1: to via private charity. And I also believe that today

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Speaker 1: Go be those people. We're doing it today too. I

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Speaker 1: There's already food drives, a planned and things that my

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Speaker 1: That's the fight, not that we are somehow opposed to

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Speaker 3: We should be supportive of it.

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Speaker 1: dare you, Tony, You're just so mean.

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Speaker 3: I'm not mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to save a society, and I believe that

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Speaker 1: Less government dependence is a good thing. More private charity

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Speaker 5: Johnson, it's shameful let me show you another obviously false claim.

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Speaker 5: Obviously false claim number two of the Democrats is that

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Speaker 5: Now, remember the publicans, Republicans could passed a clean continued resolution.

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Speaker 2: It was non partisan.

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Speaker 5: It was a simple bill that would open the full government,

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Speaker 5: As their kind of proposal, they would spend one and

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Speaker 5: They want to spend a half a billion dollars to

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Speaker 1: Now some people have saving me, Tony, this is way

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Speaker 1: too honest, man. You're you're letting way too much out

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Speaker 1: They've said these words. Should we pretend that this isn't

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Speaker 6: Yesterday, Buddy, was first day of the government shutdown. We

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Speaker 7: What we're doing is we keep voting. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: He's right, that's it. So let them. But leave the

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Speaker 1: filibuster be for now, mister President. Don't give up that

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Speaker 1: hand just yet. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: You gotta let me know. You gotta let me know,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea why you would do it.

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Speaker 1: I made an appointment for a haircut. It's just proof

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I made an appointment to get a haircut, and I

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Speaker 1: It is insane, ridiculous, crazy talk that they would do this.

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Speaker 1: But there's the president. He is on sixty minutes, and

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Speaker 7: I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been

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Speaker 7: They emptied their prisons into country. They also, if you

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Speaker 6: about stopping narcotics? Or is this about getting rid of

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Speaker 6: President Maduro.

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Speaker 1: Before anything else? I had not heard anybody use the

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Speaker 1: expression it's like utilizing a blow torch to cook an egg.

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Speaker 1: But I am reminded and I posted the interview I

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Speaker 1: had with Major Mike Clions, retired United States Army military analyst,

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Speaker 1: about the idea of visible leverage, this idea of visible leverage,

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Speaker 1: and as as Mike Lyons explained it, he's got the

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Speaker 1: piece over there at at real clear defense. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I have heard this before. I have absolutely heard something

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Speaker 1: like this before. And I was trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: where I have heard it, and it realized it was

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Speaker 1: un sue. You know, first of all, it's like the

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Speaker 1: idea of deception, right if if your weak looks strong,

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Speaker 1: if you're strong look weak, do all those kinds of

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Speaker 1: things to try and benefit yourself into to a level

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Speaker 1: of victory. But being able to show strength, to be

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Speaker 1: able to kind of uh put forth that vision out there.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily new, and I would argue that it

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Speaker 1: certainly does seem to be the way that Donald Trump works.

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Speaker 1: It's not a bad thing. It's not bad at all.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I think there's a great

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Speaker 1: value to saying, hey, we do have this strength. We

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Speaker 1: don't want to use it, but we do have it.

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Speaker 1: Reminding the enemy a blowtorch to cook an egg. I

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Speaker 1: think that the conversation should be well, at least the

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Speaker 1: egg is cooked. Now. The real issue here is whether

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Speaker 1: or not the president needs congressional authority to wage war,

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Speaker 1: because if he's going to call it some level of

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Speaker 1: war action, as he has in statements, he's going to

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Speaker 1: take out these drug votes, to which I have no issue.

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Speaker 1: But if it's a war, well then you got to

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Speaker 1: declare it. And that's the role of Congress, and the

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Speaker 1: President should know that he cannot usurp Congress in this way.

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Speaker 1: No member of Congress, House or Senate. It's going to

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Speaker 1: take it. This is their job. You're not taking their

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Speaker 1: job from them. They'd rather fight you. They don't really

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Speaker 1: care what you scream. It was like when people said,

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Speaker 1: you have to confirm everybody that Donald Trump has nominated.

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Speaker 3: Senators are like, sure we do. We're senators.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to do. Nothing will outlast him. That's

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Speaker 1: what we have to do. And sure enough, that's exactly

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Speaker 1: how it went down. The president has a very very

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Speaker 1: serious coalition and serious space, and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he gets everything. And this starts with any

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Speaker 1: time he thinks that he can overtake or through force

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Speaker 1: of will, the role of Congress, whether it be advise

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Speaker 1: and consent on cabinet officials or the declaration of war.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna say, nah, no, no, no, this is kind

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Speaker 1: of what we do here. This is our legacy too.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about and you might think that that's nuts,

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Speaker 1: but it is accurate. But neither here nor there. On

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Speaker 1: the war conversation, I have no problem with sending the

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Speaker 1: Gerald forward down to the Caribbean at all. Blow torch

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Speaker 1: to cook an egg. Egg's gonna get cooked.

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Speaker 7: No, this is about many things. This is a country

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Speaker 7: that allowed their prisons to be emptied into our country.

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Speaker 7: To me, that would be almost number one because other

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Speaker 7: countries to Mexico has been very bad to us in

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Speaker 7: terms of drugs. Okay, very bad. We have a closed

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Speaker 7: border right now. You probably noticed that for five months

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Speaker 7: in a row, they have zero, think of this, zero

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Speaker 7: people coming into our country through our southern border.

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Speaker 6: On Venezuela, in particular, are Maduro's days as president numbers?

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Speaker 6: Oh so yeah, I think so you And this issue

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Speaker 6: of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is that true?

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Speaker 1: I don't tell you that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not saying it's true or untrue, but

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Speaker 7: I know be.

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Speaker 3: Inclined to say that I would do that.

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Speaker 7: But because I don't talk to a reporter about whether

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Speaker 7: or not I'm going to strike.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Israel.

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Speaker 1: Right, He's completely right, you don't talk to a report

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Speaker 1: about that. I wonder how much of this was edited

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Speaker 1: and how that's going to be taken and are we

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Speaker 1: back to loss again? But our Maduro's day is numbered? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think so, Well, how.

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Speaker 1: Does that happen? And I would argue that that could

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Speaker 1: be Trump speaking, not Trump doing. Trump doing is something different.

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Speaker 1: Then they got into the conversation about nuclear testing.

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Speaker 6: Less than an hour before your meeting with President she

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Speaker 6: you posted on social media that you instructed the quote

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Speaker 6: Department of War to start testing our nuclear weapons immediately.

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Speaker 3: What did you mean?

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Speaker 7: Well, we have more nuclear weapons than any other country,

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Speaker 7: and I think we should do something about denuclearization. And

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Speaker 7: I did actually discuss that with both President Putin and

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Speaker 7: President she. We have enough nuclear weapons to blow up

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Speaker 7: the world one hundred and fifty times. Russia has a

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Speaker 7: lot of nuclear weapons, and China will have a lot.

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Speaker 1: They have some, They have.

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Speaker 7: Quite a bit. Why don't have to test our that well,

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Speaker 7: because you have to see how they work.

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Speaker 1: You know, you do have to.

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Speaker 7: And the reason I'm saying testing is because Russia and

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Speaker 7: now said they were going to be doing a test.

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Speaker 7: Have you noticed North Korea's testing constantly? Other countries are testing.

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Speaker 7: We're the only country that doesn't test, and I want

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Speaker 7: to be I don't want to be the only country

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Speaker 7: that doesn't test.

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Speaker 1: It must be hard for reporters like Nero O'Donnell to

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Speaker 1: understand how the real world works. Why do we have

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Speaker 1: to test? Why aren't we testing? Why aren't we testing?

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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people when they heard this,

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Speaker 1: they were like, wait, we don't test our nuclear arsenal?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Now? We I got tested, you know, in

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Speaker 1: the ways that other nations tested. As I spoke with

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Speaker 1: Major Mike Lyons and you know, it's underground testing. It's

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Speaker 1: a far safer, more controlled atmosphere. But of course this idea,

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Speaker 1: why do we have to do that? Why are we

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Speaker 1: doing that? You absolutely fear full child there. I am

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Speaker 1: on a tear today about people not not engaging childlike problem.

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Speaker 1: We need to be adults here. The Russians, the North Koreans,

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Speaker 1: the Chinese, all of them have to know we cannot

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Speaker 1: be messed with. Will hurt you. We'll call your mother

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Speaker 1: a name or two. We don't care you come at us.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit you so hard your grandchildren are gonna

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Speaker 1: be dizzy. That's how that one's gonna go. They don't

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Speaker 1: understand what it is to have a force, They don't

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Speaker 1: understand what strength is. They believe that somehow you can

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Speaker 1: out nice these people. This is the problem with liberalism.

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Speaker 1: You cannot out nice the Islamist, you cannot out nice

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Speaker 1: the communist. And who is it that we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: all across America? Creating thus issues A case rested that

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Speaker 1: Red Green alliance that we've talked so much about. As

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Speaker 1: long as they can do away with Western civilization, they

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Speaker 1: will work together. They will then fight each other, and

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Speaker 1: I assume the communists will lose because the people on

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Speaker 1: the side of the communism, these absolutely dopey college students

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Speaker 1: who are adults, these absolute damn fools in high school,

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Speaker 1: and these pathetic losers who have infiltrated all of our universities.

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Speaker 3: They can't actually take up weapons and fight.

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Speaker 1: They have to rely on the decency of capitalists and

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Speaker 1: Christians to roll over. You can't do that with an Islamist.

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Speaker 1: They're going to kill you and your daughters. Oh no, No,

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Speaker 1: it's not because I'm a bigot. Shut that face. Whoever

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Speaker 1: it is, it's saying out there those absolute tools. No,

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Speaker 1: I've got history on my side, and I didn't have

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Speaker 1: to go back to the twelve hundreds. All I had

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Speaker 1: to do was go back to last week President Trump

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Speaker 1: now saying that hey, and the slaughter of Christians Nigeria

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Speaker 1: or there's going to be a problem, And it was.

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Speaker 1: It was it, Tucker. Oh, I didn't mean to bring

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Speaker 1: up Tucker Carlson. He's like, huh.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Trump can say this about Nigeria and no one thinks

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Speaker 1: he's attacking black people. But when we say it about Israel,

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Speaker 1: holy cow, is he a dopey guy. That's just dopey.

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Speaker 1: Israel didn't go about just attacking Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: The Israelis were.

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Speaker 1: Attacked and have been attacked and continue to be attacked,

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Speaker 1: and yes by Palestinians. This is Christians under attack by

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Speaker 1: an Islamist group bokaham, and no one's doing anything about it.

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Speaker 1: The Islamists are the issue in both cases. Tucker doesn't

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Speaker 1: know that. Of course Tucker knows that.

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Speaker 3: But when you're a sophist and this is what you do,

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Speaker 3: Tucker knows, and Canvas knows.

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Speaker 1: They all know.

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Speaker 3: Just don't care because I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they believe it or not, and

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Speaker 1: I don't care to know whether they believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: I simply am going to expose it madness and move

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Speaker 1: on with my day. But it is it is clear

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Speaker 1: that of course you've got a test weaponry and the

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Speaker 1: clutching of pearls is just precious.

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Speaker 6: Are you saying that, after more than thirty years, the

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Speaker 6: United States is going to start detonating nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons like

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Speaker 7: other countries do. Y.

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Speaker 6: The only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea.

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Speaker 7: Russia's testing nuclear weapon my understanding, China's.

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Speaker 1: Testing them too.

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Speaker 7: You just don't know about it.

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Speaker 3: That would be certainly very newsworthy.

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Speaker 6: Miunderstanding is what Russia did recently was test essentially the

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Speaker 6: delivery systems for nuclear weapons, essentially missiles, which we can

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Speaker 6: do that, but not with nuclear.

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Speaker 7: Russians testing and China's testing, but they don't talk about it.

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Speaker 7: You know, we're a open society.

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Speaker 1: We're different.

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Speaker 2: We talk about it.

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Speaker 7: We have to talk about it because otherwise you people

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Speaker 7: are going to report they don't have reporters, they're going

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Speaker 7: to be writing about it.

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Speaker 3: We do so.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why President Trump did it, but man,

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Speaker 1: that guy will talk to anyone anywhere, at any time.

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Speaker 1: It is impressive and it's what keeps Americans supporting him.

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Speaker 1: It really does. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: Not to put too fine a point on it, but

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Speaker 1: we said this was true and we were correct that

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Speaker 1: there's a segment of America that is okay with political violence.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today over there Politico, Aaron Dharty

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Speaker 1: writing and the headline was America is bracing for political

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Speaker 1: violence in a significant portion think it's sometimes okay. We know,

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Speaker 1: we understand that there is a segment of America that

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Speaker 1: thinks the political violence is okay, that we are in

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Speaker 1: it and it's fine. And you know, I talk about

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Speaker 1: populism in the populism of President Trump and how I

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Speaker 1: oppose it. I oppose populism in toto we see from

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Speaker 1: the political left is nothing but this now it can

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Speaker 1: be regarded as as communism and this idea of well,

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Speaker 1: they're not communists.

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Speaker 3: Are democratic socialists? Oh, dear lord.

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Speaker 1: And the CNN reporter is like Trump called Momdania a

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Speaker 1: communist when he's not a communist, he's actually just a

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Speaker 1: democratic socialist. Like there's a difference. But leave it to

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Speaker 1: the utilitiants of the press to buy into the wordplay. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the left thinks that the political violence is all right.

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Speaker 1: They think it's okay to kill the people that you

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Speaker 1: disagree with. And my only fear is if people don't

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Speaker 1: actually have a value system, but rather engage some other

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Speaker 1: type of system, then certainly these things do get increased,

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Speaker 1: the possibility increases, and that can happen from any side.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's the left. It's undoubtedly and clear and direct.

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Speaker 1: And my concern is legit. The only way out is through,

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Speaker 1: and bad times are ahead. We have each other that's

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Speaker 1: got a out for something. Tomorrow, everyone, I'm Tony Katt's

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Speaker 1: take care