1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: It's a Hammer Nigel show. My name is Nigel Jason Hammer. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Right over there. We'll go straight to the hotline and 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: bring on bright Bart World editor Francis Martel Breitbart dot Com. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: It's been about a week, Francis, since we woke up 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: to the news that the US military, under the direction 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, went into Venezuela, snatched their president Maduro 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: and his wife, a few other people brought him to 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: New York to face narco terrorism charges. First, really simple, 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: easy question, maybe it's not so easy. Why did Donald 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Trump decide to do this? 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, because this is a criminal that have been indicted, 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: you know, over and over again on multiple charges, terrorism charges, 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: and our law enforcement needed a little military support to 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: extra diem. 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: But it needed to get done. 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: To me, it's not that different from the Osama bin 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: Laden raid or the attempt to capture al Baghdati. This 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: is an international terrorist that was indicted, and he was 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: not a legitimate head of state, so there's no argument 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: about immunity or anything. 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: He's not legally the president of anything, and we just 22 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: went in there and we got the guy. It's what 23 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: we do at home, is what we do with all 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: sorts of isis kind of terrorists, and this was not. 25 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: You know, it was different in terms of obviously the 26 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: emotions and the magnitude and the consequences, but legally it 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: wasn't that different from like a terror raid. 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: And Francis, I'm glad you bring that up from a 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: legal perspective here, because I feel like that's given the 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: Trump administration some breathing room, so to speak, from all 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: these lunatics that are upset about it, because it wasn't 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: just the Trump administration that had a bounty, if you will, 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: out on Maduro. It was the super left leaning Biden 34 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 4: administration as well. They put twenty five million bucks in 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: right before they got out of office. So you've got 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 4: a Republican president, a Democrat president. The Republican president comes 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: back all saying this guy's gotta go. 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely, not to mention all of the presidencies in Latin 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: America and the Caribbean that think of this guy as 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: a criminal. 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 5: The outgoing president of Chile, who the guy who has 42 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 5: described himself as being to the left of the Communist 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 5: Party so definitely not a Trump guy, has accubed Malulo 44 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 5: of murdering Venezuelan exiles on Chile. 45 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: And soil using terror gangs to kill people in Chile. 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: And that's the you know, you have a hard left 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 2: guy coming out and saying that a guy probably to 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: the left of Biden. 49 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: Biden was right right wing quote unquote enough to put, 50 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: like you said, a twenty five million. 51 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 6: Dollars dollars bounty on Bludo. 52 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: So we're not talking about. 53 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: You know, the left's trying to make this look like 54 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: we just like abducted Kere. 55 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 6: Starmer or something like this is some. 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 3: Sort of legitimate head of state, and that was not 57 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: the case at all. 58 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: Okay, I do want to get to what the reaction 59 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: has been like from the Venezuelan citizens living there under 60 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: that regime for so many years. But besides the fact 61 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: that it was a precise badass military mission who was 62 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: protecting Maduro, Like, how did they let this happen? It 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: was just a bunch of thugs from Cuba? Who was it? 64 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: Literally just a bunch of thugs from Cuba. I mean 65 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: formally formally, they they're villains, terry, they're Cuban. 66 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 5: I'll try to be as polite as possible towards them. 67 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: You know, By the way, if anyone listening I'm Cuban, 68 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: so that's why my attitude. 69 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: They're state city. 70 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: Agents, and I think there was one that actually had 71 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: significant military rank, who was like the leader of the 72 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: bodyguard operation for Maludle that. 73 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: Was taken out. But the Cuban regime confirmed thirty two 74 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: Cuban state security kills in that mission, So that makes 75 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: me think it was probably more like, you know, forty 76 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: or fifty kills, because they're not going to ever tell. 77 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 5: You the true number. 78 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: And it also completely proves what both Cuban exiles and 79 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: Venezuelan and exiles have been saying forever, which. 80 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 6: Is that not a single Venezuelan likes Maludle. 81 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: Maybe his wife if you want to count her, but 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: no one likes those people, to the point that Malulu 83 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: would not trust a single Venezuelan soldier to be his bodyguard. 84 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: That is incredible. 85 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: Bright Bart World editor Francis Martel joining us here on 86 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: the Hammer In Nigel show. All right, so what's next. 87 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 4: Like a lot of people didn't really like it when 88 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: they heard Donald Trump say, yeah, we're going to be 89 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: the ones in charge of Venezuela. You know, my generation 90 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: and folks around my age, we grew up with that 91 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 4: whole nation building is bad mindset. And I don't know 92 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 4: if nation building is going on here. But when Donald 93 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: Trump at that press conference said yeah, We're going to 94 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: be the ones that are running Venezuela, I think that 95 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: got a lot of people kind of squirrely. So francis, 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: what's next, Who's going to be running this thing? 97 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm a millennial too, Like anything that 98 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: sounds George W. Bushy is going to be a little 99 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: bit of a trigger. And I think that's what people 100 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: are reacting to. But you know, what nation building really 101 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: traditionally was was what we did, what our oil companies 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: did in Venezuela one hundred years ago, when we made 103 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: Venezuela the wealthiest country in Latin America. That's nation building, 104 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, on a like private company level. And I 105 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: think that's what Trump was talking about that with we 106 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: are not going to allow Chavismo to continue to exist. 107 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: There would have been no point to the operation of 108 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: extracting Malulo other than you know, for Maludo personally to 109 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: face justice and then just leave the system there. There 110 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: would be no points to that that would benefit no 111 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: one right, And there is a significant contingent of the 112 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: Venezuelan and diaspora that is very scared right now that 113 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: that's what's going to happen. That you know, President Trump 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: is saying nice things about Jelsea Rodriguez, who's currently the 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 3: president quote unquote of Venezuela. But I think what Trump 116 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: is doing is he knows that if he comes out 117 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: and he says the United States loves Maria Corina Machallo, 118 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: who is the most popular politician of Venezuela, we want 119 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: her to be president, that's gonna look like we just 120 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: install the puppet. That's not going to look good. So 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: he's keeping his distance from the opposition, and he's saying, look, 122 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: we're just going to try to help guarantee America's interests 123 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: in this country. And the top American interest is that 124 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: we Chavs stole like all of our companies that were 125 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: operating there. 126 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 5: You know, we're focusing on the oil because it's the 127 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 5: most valuable companies, right like all the assets that belong 128 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 5: to Exon and Chevron and all these companies. 129 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: But people forget like Chavas stole all of Kellogg's. Kellogg's 130 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: had a bunch of factories down there, and we've got 131 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: some great coverage at Breitbart from back in twenty seventeen, 132 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen of how they shut down the factories and 133 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: then they tried to reopen the Kellogg's factories and they 134 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: may just like knock off, like the Kellogg's cereals and 135 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: they're all like socialists. 136 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Kelloggs was the one in charge before Maduro. Right, didn't 137 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: they bomb his tomb or whatever? 138 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: That was the word on the street. There were some 139 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: videos of bombings very close to Chavez's body. Yeah, there's 140 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: a spiritual element to that too. It hasn't been confirmed, 141 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: and you know, Rodriguez has gone to the tomb, so 142 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: we've seen footage of the actual you know, sepulch or 143 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: where the body is is intact. We didn't destroy that. 144 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of witchcraft and a cult activity 145 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: that the Venezuelan regime engages in, and a lot of 146 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: that has to do with Chavez. You know, they've rewritten 147 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: the Lord's Prayer to our Chavis who are in heaven. 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: They make people pray that they's there's a very crazy 149 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: religious elements of this. Uh Nicolas Aluto claims that he 150 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: talks to the ghost of Chaves through birds that come 151 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: to end of the night. Yeah, this is and this 152 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: is real. 153 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 6: I am not. 154 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: Making this up. He has said this. This is not magic, realism. 155 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: This is what we're dealing with on the ground. So 156 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: actually a lot of Venezuelans when they thought that we 157 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: had bombed the tomb, were saying, oh, they're they're breaking 158 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: the curse. They're fighting the Americans know to fight the witchcraft. 159 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: And you know, of course right he actually did. But 160 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: this fascinating stuff. 161 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: Francis on the subject of Venezuelans and Nige brought this 162 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: up earlier. What's been the locals reaction in Venezuela Because 163 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: to me, just looking at this, you know, on the outside, 164 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 4: the only people upset about what happened are China, Russia 165 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 4: and white liberals. Other than that, I think everybody's pretty 166 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: happy about all of this. What's the reaction from those 167 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: in Venezuela. 168 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 3: Well, you you forgot, the Cuban regime is also not happier, 169 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: That's right, That's right, you know, and I think em 170 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: Monuel mat Cralan was concerned, so you know, add him 171 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: to the list. Really, yes, I'm sure everybody's terrified, Francis. 172 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 4: Everybody's shaking in their boots that scared. 173 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 3: European Union is monitoring the situation. Yeah, so, yeah, you're right. 174 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: Those are the people that are upset in Caracas and 175 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: in the major Venezuelan city. Is what there is is 176 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: a lot of fear, not for the Americans, but the 177 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,119 Speaker 3: fear is because the regime has sent thugs going. 178 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 6: Door to door to people's houses looking through their phone 179 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 6: trying to find anything that looks like celebration of Honoluda's arrest, 180 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 6: and they're starting to arrest people. They wrested at least 181 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 6: five people. 182 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: They arrested like fifteen journalists temporarily while. 183 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 6: Delpy Rodriguez was being inaugurated. 184 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: And the most dangerous socialist in the country is this 185 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 3: guy jo Zaloo. He's the Interior minister and he controls 186 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: all the paramilitary thug groups. Then he's on TikTok posting 187 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: videos holding weapons surrounded by armed thugs in like bulletproof vests, 188 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: and he's saying, if you doubt us, you're committing treason. 189 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: So it's terrifying. They're basically threatening to kill anyone who 190 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: can celebrate because they saw the reaction of every free 191 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: Venezuelan on the planet, every single one was salsa dancing 192 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: on Saturday in the street, so they really have to 193 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: prevent that from, you know, happening at home. 194 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: Francis, we did the math. You've been calling the show 195 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: for six years. You make us sound better and we 196 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: wish you the best in this new year. That's Francis 197 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: Martel Breitbart dot Com. She is Breitbart's World Editor. Francis Heavy, 198 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: great weekend. 199 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me back, and happy 200 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 6: New Year. 201 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: It's The Hammer and Nigel Show.