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Speaker 1: to go here. So do a lot of radio in

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Speaker 1: and around DC. Occasionally we'll we'll go to the Kennedy

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Speaker 1: Center if you haven't been to DC before. The Kennedy

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Speaker 1: John Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior. No, no, John John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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Speaker 1: Last week the board of the Kennedy Center voted to

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta. Well, he claims that this is no joke, guys,

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Speaker 1: no Joe, here's no joke, folks. He claims this is vandalism.

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Speaker 5: It it negative energy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, the blob of negative energy has desecrated this thing.

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Speaker 7: Happening today, and we should all be shocked.

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Speaker 1: horrified Democracy has died. Blah blah blah. I mean literally,

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Speaker 1: You need a musician's thesaurus, you know, a lyricist thesaurus.

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Speaker 1: Andrew langer In for Tony Katz today. So obviously, one

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: Again, I'm distilling this down to the most basic thing.

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Speaker 1: knew when the Affordable Character. I knew when the Affordable

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Speaker 1: to happen. That there was no possible way for them

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Speaker 1: to make health insurance, let alone health care, more affordable,

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Speaker 1: not without these massive machinations. And what Tom Shatz was

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Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act CMMI, whose goal was to find ways

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Speaker 1: to examine solutions that would make medicare and medical that

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Speaker 1: would innovate Medicare and Medicaid and thus make them more

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Speaker 1: affordable for people save billions of dollars. When it was created,

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Speaker 1: it was it was it was scored, which is the

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Speaker 1: way that they do it in DC, it was scored

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Speaker 1: as a revenue saver. So, you know, Tom Shatz, we

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Speaker 1: I did just did a podcast with him. The podcast,

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Speaker 1: I think came out last week, and go check it out.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what we should have done, land that I

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Speaker 1: should have played bits of the podcast. Last week's episode

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Speaker 1: talked about about these issues and about how this Center

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Speaker 1: And so I met a meeting a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago with one of Tom's colleagues, gun named Eric Mouse.

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Speaker 1: M a us Eric Mouse, and Eric said something which

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Speaker 1: tax issues. I talk a little bit about how they

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Speaker 1: score a regulatory reform issues. And Eric Mouse, who works

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Speaker 1: with Tom at CGW, said to me, is like, Andrew, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we were gonna change the law, and

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a there's going to be some kind

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Speaker 1: we were just to get rid of CMMI outright, because

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Speaker 1: it spends billions of dollars. This imagine that we we

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Speaker 1: that could go to actually, uh, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: to the fundamental issue that could go to dealing with

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Speaker 1: actually solving or helping to solve the crisis of the

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Speaker 1: number of doctors that we haven't need. And Eric said

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Speaker 1: to me, he goes, yeah. The problem, of course is

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Speaker 1: if we zeroed out CMMI, even though it's cost us

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars as opposed to saved US billions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: CBO would still score it negatively. They would, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: still score it as adding to the federal budget because

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Speaker 1: at some point in time down the road, someone at

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Speaker 1: CMMI might come up with some kind of an innovation

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Speaker 1: that would save the American taxpayers money. Guys, that is

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Speaker 1: an insane way of doing business. It's like the line

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Speaker 1: from the movie Dave. If I did my books like this,

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Speaker 1: I'd be out of business. You know, We've got to

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Speaker 1: have fundamental reforms here so that when a project that

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Speaker 1: zero it out, it is viewed for what it is,

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Speaker 1: And here's and you know something. Yeah, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to have to email time. He just texted me to

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Speaker 1: say he could do it in ten minutes. Unfortunately we're out.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna I'll email him back in a second.

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Speaker 1: I try not to get distracted landing by emails that

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Speaker 1: come in. But the point is, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, one of the things that we could do

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Speaker 1: so we don't have enough medical schools and medical school

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Speaker 1: billets in America, and as a result, the cost of

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Speaker 1: least in America, more doctors, more nurses and physicians' assistants.

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Speaker 1: The problem is even if we doubled Even if we

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Speaker 1: doubled the number of medical schools in America, the problem

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Speaker 1: is that the graduate medical education so called residency programs.

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Speaker 1: That's what we all call them, residency programs. We have

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Speaker 1: not changed the number of residency billets in America in

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Speaker 1: thirty years because unfortunately those are funded with Medicare dollars. Now,

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Speaker 1: I would love to find a different way to fund them.

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Speaker 1: But can you imagine if we took the billions that

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Speaker 1: we are wasting on CMMI and turn that over to

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Speaker 1: these medical residency programs, so that we were able to

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Speaker 1: get more medical students, a create more medical students, but

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Speaker 1: get them the post medical school education that they need

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Speaker 1: able to when combined with a whole host of other

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Speaker 1: mechanisms to create competition in medical care, we might actually

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Speaker 1: be able to solve some of this problem. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that my solution is the only solution. It's

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Speaker 1: one of the great problems that we have on our side.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's a great, great,

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Speaker 1: big step in the right direction. It's a basic resource

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Speaker 1: economics problem. Friends. Anyway, check out my interview with Tom Shatz.

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Speaker 1: I may try to get him tomorrow for the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats today here on

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. Well, wow, guys, believe the show's almost over.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy anyway, great show today. I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: I could join you and you can join me. I'm

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Speaker 1: Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz Today, Badly back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: You can check me out at Andrew Underscore Langer on

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Speaker 1: the Twitter Machine going. I still call it Twitter because

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Speaker 1: I party like it's two thousand and nine. Go check

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Speaker 1: me out there Facebook dot Com slash Andrew Langer Show.

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Speaker 1: If you want to leave me a message, but follow me.

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Speaker 1: You get to find out everything that's going on. So

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Speaker 1: because I don't think it'll keep another day, obviously, a

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Speaker 1: lot's happening this weekend. At the Turning Point USA America

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Speaker 1: Fest to the high Points, a certain guy named Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump Junior. You may have heard of him as pro

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Speaker 1: Father's President of the United States. He had a special

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Speaker 1: guest call in Let's play cut number five.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to call in a little guest. He may

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Speaker 5: not be here today, but I wanted to make sure

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Speaker 5: he had a chance to say, Hi, mister President. Can

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Speaker 5: you guys?

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Speaker 2: I want to be with you, but I'll be with

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Speaker 2: you soon, and I just want to say that nobody

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Speaker 2: did more for me than Charlie, and there's nobody better

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Speaker 2: than Erica, and you are the greatest people on earth.

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Speaker 2: We won in a landslide and we're going to continue

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Speaker 2: to do him and I just want to thank everybody.

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Speaker 1: So that was that was the president. He called Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump Junior called him on it, sell it presumably. I

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Speaker 1: hope that cell number didn't get on the air let's

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Speaker 1: but also other special guests. A rapper, her name is

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Speaker 1: Nicki minaj You may have heard of her. She's probably

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Speaker 10: For young men, and for young men, don't be new scum.

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Speaker 10: Yes see they are young men. You have amazing role models.

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Speaker 1: Like our.

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Speaker 10: Handsome, dashing president, and you have amazing role models like

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Speaker 10: the assassin.

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Speaker 5: JD.

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Speaker 10: Van's our vice president. And when I say that, I

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Speaker 10: trust me, there's nothing new under the sun that I

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Speaker 10: have not heard.

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Speaker 1: So yes we did. I have no idea what they

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Speaker 1: Minaje has it has it big for Vice President Fance.

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Speaker 1: So there you go an interesting repertoire at turning point,

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Speaker 1: as I said, I would have liked to have been there,

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Speaker 1: but at being the end of the year and right

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Speaker 1: on Christmas time, it just could couldn't. Couldn't make it happen.

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Speaker 1: Maybe next year we will, we will try to, we

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Speaker 1: will try to make it out there. For this, I

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Speaker 1: just very exciting and amazing to say the least. It's,

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Speaker 1: you know something, I'll talk more about this tomorrow. We

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Speaker 1: got a big year coming up, guys. As I said

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Speaker 1: earlier on in the show, thank God it's and this

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Speaker 1: is not me sort of making some grandiose thing. I

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Speaker 1: just bless bless God that, thank God that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is pre president going into twenty twenty six, because there

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Speaker 1: is so much happening positive in America. We've got the

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Speaker 1: return to manned spaceflight to the Moon, landing on the Moon.

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Speaker 1: But really it's this issue of America. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the rest of you, but I came to a

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Speaker 1: lot of my conservative beliefs because of the Bisentennial and

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Speaker 1: learning about America then who we are as a people,

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Speaker 1: why we broke off from England and how our revolution

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Speaker 1: continues to today, and it's not Kamala Harris's or Tim

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Speaker 1: Waltz's version of the revolution, but a revolution grounded in

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Speaker 1: individual rights and making sure the government stays off the

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Speaker 1: backs of people. You know, maybe we'll spend a little

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Speaker 1: time tomorrow talking about ken Burn's Revolutionary War series. In

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Speaker 1: any case, check me out at Andrew Underscore Langer on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer. Thank you Landon for producing today.

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Speaker 1: Have a grand out everybody, have fun and stay safe.

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