Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Fair Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Mike. I'm your host for.
Speaker 3: The evening, and today we are going to be reviewing
Speaker 3: the movie The Long Walk. Uh to my left eye
Speaker 3: of Ken, to Ken's left eye of Rod, to Rod's left,
Speaker 3: we have a special guest, a b. Thank you for
Speaker 3: coming through technically kind of in front of me. See
Speaker 3: see what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: He's already and awesome, Dick.
Speaker 3: I didn't say where he was from. I thought he
Speaker 3: was going to do that, see how they do every time.
Speaker 3: All I said was special guest Ab. It's AB's job
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 2: Where he's from. It sound like you're about to jump
Speaker 2: the spipe. I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't even get to say nothing because Rod jumped in,
Speaker 3: as always.
Speaker 2: From the to be so glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for being here, man, God damn.
Speaker 3: And AB's left, I have Spike, Jesus Spike's left, I
Speaker 3: have myself and uh, yeah, we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 3: Long Walk.
Speaker 2: Let's do a quick, quick, quick round the table.
Speaker 3: I'm not starting with you, Spike, with you, Uh, give
Speaker 3: me a high level what did you think about this movie?
Speaker 2: Ken? I enjoyed the movie you know. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: enjoyed the movie. Rod, what'd you think of this movie? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I thought it was good. I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: Ab what'd you think of this movie?
Speaker 5: I liked to man one of those ones I thought
Speaker 5: about since I watched it.
Speaker 6: I say, contrary to probably belief, I text him as
Speaker 6: soon as I got I was like, did you see
Speaker 6: this ship? Because I gonna at first, I.
Speaker 2: Was like that I like that because I was entertained
Speaker 2: the whole time. It was good. But I did like it.
Speaker 2: I liked it though good. I'm glad everybody liked it.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 3: It's definitely one of one of the best thing I've
Speaker 3: seen this year. I have a great time with this movie.
Speaker 3: I had no idea what was gonna be about. They
Speaker 3: did the trailers perfectly, except they did show some people
Speaker 3: dying what they shouldn't have done. But yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: it was really, really, really fucking good. Probably one of
Speaker 3: my It's easily top three Stephen King adaptations, easily.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it starts off, what.
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 2: If it's moving? Can you tighten it?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I saw you adjusted it. I was
Speaker 2: gonna tell you to adjust.
Speaker 3: It telepit moved or if I just didn't closer to
Speaker 3: your mouth.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's that should be good enough. And it's
Speaker 4: going on an individual channel, so he'll be able.
Speaker 2: To okay, crazy, all right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So the movie starts off with telling us
Speaker 3: that Raymond Garrity has won the lottery, which gets some
Speaker 3: to the Long Walk, which is scene as this kind
Speaker 3: of a way of breaking out of poverty. As the
Speaker 3: winner of the Long Walk gets hell of money and
Speaker 3: a wish. So driving in the car, we hear the
Speaker 3: radio saying that the war tore the nation apart. The
Speaker 3: first question I had Spike, are you kind of sick
Speaker 3: of these type of movies? Or was this automatically intriguing?
Speaker 2: It was automatically intriguing.
Speaker 6: I actually wish I had gotten more, which this actually
Speaker 6: made me want to read a book to understand more
Speaker 6: about the world. I love world building, it's one of
Speaker 6: my favorite things. I wish I had known the context
Speaker 6: of what they were speaking of, but I realized they
Speaker 6: ain't have enough time to talk about that.
Speaker 5: Same with you, ab Yeah, for sure. It reminded me
Speaker 5: a little bit of Civil War came out like a
Speaker 5: year or two ago. Another post you know war that
Speaker 5: hasn't happened yet, and it fits the political climate of
Speaker 5: of current so ironically, I know, it's super old the
Speaker 5: book is, and it worked then. The fact that it still.
Speaker 2: Works now it is kind of crazy. Fact there what
Speaker 2: time period? It was hard. That was one thing I
Speaker 2: was trying to like put piece together.
Speaker 5: You couldn't tell the car, you couldn't, but they had
Speaker 5: they had cameras.
Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't say damn yeh yeh I do.
Speaker 6: I'm like, think back on I'm like them on the
Speaker 6: Long Walk with my rations, get my rations.
Speaker 3: We're y'all kind of sick of these post apocalyptic movies
Speaker 3: that were, y all cool.
Speaker 2: No, I'm good. I like them. They don't bother me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a different spin on it, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I thought it was very created, especially as like someone
Speaker 7: who directs, like it's like, man, are they really gonna
Speaker 7: stay here in this this world?
Speaker 5: Like right here in this role? So yeah, I thought
Speaker 5: it was very creatively done.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, So we kind of meet our
Speaker 3: group of characters. We meet Ray Garretty obviously, meet Pete mcgreeese, Stebbins,
Speaker 3: Gary Barkovich, Hank Olsen, Curly. Then we meet the major
Speaker 3: played by my motherfucking man Luke motherfucker Scot Walker, and
Speaker 3: this bitch Mark Hamill. It's handing out tags. What'd you
Speaker 3: think of the he's an rod that he gave for
Speaker 3: the Long Walk?
Speaker 2: What did he say? Hey, b what did you.
Speaker 1: Think of the reasoning he gave for the Long Walk?
Speaker 5: I thought it was reach, but I'm also trying to
Speaker 5: put myself in this world, but without the details of
Speaker 5: what all has happened. It was a little bit of
Speaker 5: a reach trying to tell us that this will motivate
Speaker 5: other people, and I'm kind of like, yeah, will it?
Speaker 5: Like I'm not really seeing exactly how that works and
Speaker 5: not having all the the details, you know, that that
Speaker 5: kind of blew it.
Speaker 2: But I let it. I let it live. But it
Speaker 2: was a little bit of a reach though. Interesting Do
Speaker 2: you remember this now? Rock? Yeah? So I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 7: I did wonder, Okay, like, yeah, how does this motive
Speaker 7: like Motherfucker's dying?
Speaker 5: Because in my mind, I'm like I saw a part
Speaker 5: of the trailer. I'm like, don't Motherfucker's dying? And this
Speaker 5: shit like that would have been another thing to inspire
Speaker 5: if you just like, you know, oh oh I thought
Speaker 5: you was. I thought you were saying something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be one thing to inspire if you
Speaker 7: you know, it's just like, oh, yeah, I'm tired.
Speaker 2: Whatever I wanted I did, I did it good. I
Speaker 2: just lost.
Speaker 7: But nah, nigga niggas died like so, I don't know
Speaker 7: if they was televising that or not, but it were Yeah,
Speaker 7: so how does that inspire?
Speaker 6: Like I don't understand, Like I don't want to do that,
Speaker 6: but he said it was to keep going though, like
Speaker 6: to inspire the nation to keep going through all the
Speaker 6: hard times. I thought it made sense in the sense
Speaker 6: of everybody was so broke and down tried and that
Speaker 6: this is the only way that you can turn your
Speaker 6: family around and you everybody had to sign up for,
Speaker 6: which we found out later when he was like, it
Speaker 6: wasn't really a choice.
Speaker 2: The only thing I'll give it is is it reminded
Speaker 2: me of like Hunger Games. That's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 7: It's the same guy perfect, So yeah, look, it felt
Speaker 7: like Hunger Games and people were dying fat they knew
Speaker 7: what they were getting themselves into. They knew that it
Speaker 7: was possible they were going to die or whatever, they
Speaker 7: were doing it for the greater goods, So I guess
Speaker 7: that's I guess.
Speaker 3: That's talking about their motivation. But I'm talking about the
Speaker 3: explanation of why the major thinks the hunger that games,
Speaker 3: why he thinks the long walk is beneficial for America.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's saying that the country is in a
Speaker 3: financial struggle right now and this is supposed to inspire
Speaker 3: people to value work ethic. Yeah, that makes sense to
Speaker 3: me one hundred percent when you look at how Americans
Speaker 3: are now or even back when we were younger them
Speaker 3: fucking was it Sally Strugglers with the little African kids
Speaker 3: that she'd be posting like Americans automatically go to, oh man,
Speaker 3: my life is pretty good, because it's not.
Speaker 2: That, you know what I mean? And that's what he
Speaker 2: was saying Propagand yes, he says it's value.
Speaker 3: It makes you value work ethic and it's basically pushing
Speaker 3: me to stop being lazy. If these guys can march
Speaker 3: three hundred miles with barely any food, then the least
Speaker 3: you can do is get your ass up and go
Speaker 3: to work for fucking sixty hours.
Speaker 2: I get that point, But what about the killing part.
Speaker 2: That's the part. I don't even think that that's all
Speaker 2: far fetched.
Speaker 3: I really don't, especially if we're looking at a post
Speaker 3: apocalyptic America, if we look at the way we view
Speaker 3: death now, as we just discussed, I definitely don't think
Speaker 3: that that's too far fetched that Americans would see, especially
Speaker 3: poor people dying.
Speaker 2: It's downtrodden people dying. Well, shit, at least that's not me.
Speaker 3: So I can go to work and go to this
Speaker 3: factory and work eighty hours because at least I don't
Speaker 3: have to walk three hundred miles and die.
Speaker 5: People seem desensitized to it too. They had kids watching it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it seemed that makes when you put it like that,
Speaker 5: that makes this it's like the running.
Speaker 4: Man form of entertainment. It's eventually what you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: all that makes sense what he was saying. You know too, Yeah,
Speaker 4: put the microphone a little closer for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we then hear the rules of the game.
Speaker 3: You walk to there's one person left. You can't walk
Speaker 3: under three miles an hour. If you step off the pavement,
Speaker 3: you get a ticket. Obviously the ticket means death. You
Speaker 3: get a warning if you drop below three miles an hour,
Speaker 3: three warnings means you die. So once they start walking,
Speaker 3: did you think that that it was it for Barkovich
Speaker 3: when he stopped to get a rock out of his
Speaker 3: shoe and got all those warnings.
Speaker 2: Ken, Nah, not him, Not him.
Speaker 4: He seemed like he was gonna be a key figure
Speaker 4: for the movie. But I think they did Ariller really
Speaker 4: well because it made it seem like he was actually
Speaker 4: gonna get got you know. But but nah, I had
Speaker 4: a feeling because he was actually part of that group
Speaker 4: in the beginning when they were introducing all the kind
Speaker 4: of like the characters.
Speaker 2: So, but it would have been good to take him
Speaker 2: out early because he was like, oh.
Speaker 6: Shit, yeah, you agree that she would have been good
Speaker 6: to take him out early, But he did. He was
Speaker 6: a heavy contributor throughout the movie. I did enjoy his character.
Speaker 6: I find it interesting how they were rooting for like
Speaker 6: come on, come on, like get up. I found that
Speaker 6: interesting because, like ros said, everybody gonna die, y'all. Ain't
Speaker 6: like I'm not rooting for you to get up and
Speaker 6: start beg walking, like this is one last person I
Speaker 6: gotta beat.
Speaker 1: So that was one rule that didn't click until.
Speaker 3: After the movie was over, because I thought, and I'm
Speaker 3: still not all the way sure. I thought it was
Speaker 3: just a matter of if there's two of us and
Speaker 3: one of us gets across the finish line before the
Speaker 3: person behind me.
Speaker 2: Then I went, but that doesn't mean line fish line exactly.
Speaker 3: So I'm still and especially when Ray starts talking about
Speaker 3: what his wishes or not Ray he starts talking about
Speaker 3: what his wish is. We'll get to that later, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I was. I was a bit confused about that too,
Speaker 3: like why are you rooting because eventually everybody but you.
Speaker 2: Have to die.
Speaker 5: I think they were trying to show how good of
Speaker 5: that they had, good character people walking for the most part.
Speaker 2: Not everybody.
Speaker 5: Some people were jerks, but they were trying. I think
Speaker 5: they were trying to show that they had good character,
Speaker 5: good hearts, and they hadn't succumbed to what the what
Speaker 5: it seems like the country had succumbed to to kill
Speaker 5: people in the street, senseless this senseless that, yeah, pursuit
Speaker 5: of money that they still had, like a moral core.
Speaker 2: That's fair. We we body, we haven't body any type thing.
Speaker 3: Like everybody out here fighting, struggling, We out here together
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're they're young, you know, all of them
Speaker 4: were supposed to be young, so they still they viewed
Speaker 4: the world differently. They're not jaded, so they're kind of
Speaker 4: rooting for one another. But Stephen King, I believe I
Speaker 4: read that, you know, I think the book was seventy
Speaker 4: nine something like that, but this was like around the
Speaker 4: It was something about the Vietnam War. Yeah, so taking
Speaker 4: that book and applying it what's happening here to that
Speaker 4: time period, you would kind of see how soldiers that
Speaker 4: were drafted in a war would root for one another.
Speaker 4: But eventually everybody's gonna die, but we're going to try
Speaker 4: to hold onto each other, you know, until it's inevitable.
Speaker 3: But at least with soldiers, the whole point is they
Speaker 3: don't want their guys to die, whereas here it's like
Speaker 3: I may not want you to die, but you still
Speaker 3: have to die in order for me to live.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 3: It was a little teeny bit confusing, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: confusing enough to hurt the story.
Speaker 2: Agree, I think it made the story better.
Speaker 6: Actually, The that weird dynamic of man he cares so
Speaker 6: much about this person, but eventually one of them is
Speaker 6: going to die.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So when Pete and Ray are talking about the Long Walk,
Speaker 3: what did you think about Ray's idea about the volunteering
Speaker 3: In quotes Rod about you know, his his idea of
Speaker 3: is this actually voluntary?
Speaker 2: Who's who's Who's that?
Speaker 3: Pete and Ray were discussing that, and Ray gave the
Speaker 3: idea about, you know, is this actually voluntary?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was trying to figure out that part out too,
Speaker 7: because I thought, like they this is I thought this
Speaker 7: wasn't the first time they had actually done it. This
Speaker 7: is like the second time they had done they had
Speaker 7: been doing it, Yeah, I thought, but I had thought
Speaker 7: it was it was they hadn't done it in a
Speaker 7: while or something like that, like, which is why he
Speaker 7: was saying, well.
Speaker 2: Again, I think.
Speaker 5: That it was he was kind of like on some
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory type, right, But I thought what he said
Speaker 5: was pointed though, where it's you you have a choice
Speaker 5: quote unquote, but the situation is so dire.
Speaker 2: Everybody's so broke, everybody's so fucked up.
Speaker 5: That you have if you want trying to make anything
Speaker 5: out of life, you need to do the Long Walk.
Speaker 5: And that's where most people were, So you think you
Speaker 5: have a choice when really it's.
Speaker 2: The only option.
Speaker 5: It's the only option that And I thought that was
Speaker 5: pointed because you could point to impoverished neighborhoods and who's
Speaker 5: in charge of making that look the way it looks,
Speaker 5: and yeah, it's a whole rabbit hole you can go
Speaker 5: down with that, And I think that's what he was
Speaker 5: trying to say.
Speaker 6: I thought, I thought there was a great monologue in
Speaker 6: and it was a great starting point to that build
Speaker 6: up with his dad because when he said it and
Speaker 6: that he was like he was telling.
Speaker 2: The other guy.
Speaker 6: He was like, where'd you get the idea of nobody
Speaker 6: actually signs up? I mean nobody actually volunteers, because everybody
Speaker 6: signs up. And he asked me, he was like, how
Speaker 6: many people you know didn't sign up? Everybody did it?
Speaker 6: And then it hit the black who told you that?
Speaker 6: And then I think it was great building towards this
Speaker 6: relationship with his dad.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree the point that he's pushing through
Speaker 3: where everybody is desperate, yep, so's they view it as
Speaker 3: there's no way out of this desperation other than the
Speaker 3: long walk and he makes this point that was so good.
Speaker 3: He's like, look, if the entire system says there's one
Speaker 3: escape patch to get away from this, everybody is gonna
Speaker 3: go to the escape patch. And you know, like Abe
Speaker 3: was said, we look at all of the things that
Speaker 3: we are involved in as voluntary and then there's some
Speaker 3: of us nerves that are.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, capitalism sucks, but we're still a part of it.
Speaker 2: There's no other option.
Speaker 3: We have to we have to be a part of
Speaker 3: this system because this is the only option for most
Speaker 3: of us, especially if you're already desperate and downtrodden. Like
Speaker 3: the worst thing on earth probably to be right now
Speaker 3: is a poor person that hates capitalism because you have
Speaker 3: no fucking option at all to do something other than
Speaker 3: because it takes money to break away from these systems.
Speaker 2: So, man, just in this part alone, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh this.
Speaker 5: Movie is Yeah, that was a bar sh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Capitalism was definitely a lens that I looked at it through,
Speaker 4: and it was just like the things that they were saying,
Speaker 4: the things that was happening, the major and the things
Speaker 4: that he was saying to just encourage them to move forward,
Speaker 4: like you can make it, you can break freeze.
Speaker 2: That sounds like your boss at the John.
Speaker 4: The American Dream, you know, and all the other stuff.
Speaker 4: You just got to work hard enough. Yeah, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was yeah.
Speaker 2: It it really made the language in here different without
Speaker 2: being on the nose. Ye yeah, because you knew you like,
Speaker 2: in the beginning, they kind of set it up.
Speaker 4: They told you, like pretty much laid out what is
Speaker 4: really kind of about, you know, and then from there,
Speaker 4: like you said, they kind of was very nuanced with
Speaker 4: some of the things that were happening because it was
Speaker 4: awesome about these characters and a human story as well.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about Curly getting God? Curly
Speaker 1: was the young kid?
Speaker 2: That hilarious because Curly was trying his damness? Did you
Speaker 2: see his face? Bike?
Speaker 4: But it was smart to start with the youngest one,
Speaker 4: sixteen year old kids. And again, the other thing I
Speaker 4: was thinking about is of course war as well, because
Speaker 4: he was a kid that's trapped in.
Speaker 5: The war and he's he don't want to go to war.
Speaker 4: He goes maybe after bravery, maybe for his family, maybe
Speaker 4: to make a living, and he goes to his place
Speaker 4: and then he realized, like you said, it's by what
Speaker 4: the fuck did I sign?
Speaker 2: Up for and he gets God, but man he.
Speaker 3: Had he's trying to call the c y'all didn't get
Speaker 3: the y'all didn't get the conspiracy. There he was, he was,
Speaker 3: his name was Curly, he was young. And how did
Speaker 3: he died against bike? What did he get in his Charlie?
Speaker 3: Charlie horse?
Speaker 1: And then he died from what gun violence?
Speaker 2: Stay woke. That's the hell of a turning point.
Speaker 5: That's take a shot.
Speaker 2: I don't even get it once.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. Damn red fish
Speaker 3: Blue like one too right in the hat. At least
Speaker 3: Ill explained they can't get mad at him. They can't, right.
Speaker 6: I think I do think that that was the first
Speaker 6: indication because as you think about this movie and going
Speaker 6: into it, how simple it is, just like, I mean,
Speaker 6: they just gotta walk. But then they showed the small
Speaker 6: things that can happen that could suck up your whole
Speaker 6: We got a rocking issue. Oh we got a Charlie
Speaker 6: who it wouldn't normally matter, but you gotta keep walking, bro,
Speaker 6: Like what you're gonna do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And that made it that much better. As the movie went,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, ship, Charlie got stretched that out
Speaker 3: like it's nothing you could do and you died because
Speaker 3: you had a charge horse.
Speaker 2: That was real good. He was.
Speaker 3: He was bugging y'all laughing at that ship. I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: in the movie. He was the first one us. I
Speaker 3: believe I laughed in the movie. People just looking at me.
Speaker 2: They should have been looked at you like you were crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't hurt as much as a bullet Jesus and
Speaker 3: was crazy.
Speaker 2: They made sure have showed the cry. I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: for the kid.
Speaker 4: Three miles per hour, isn't like that's a pretty pretty.
Speaker 2: Good paste, bro. I hainte that fast thought?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, so that's a brisk walk. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now what I'm saying, look back to that.
Speaker 7: Realist you're watching the Actually, if you exercise, I have
Speaker 7: the treadmill.
Speaker 2: I know the speed three hours is pretty decent. You
Speaker 2: walk the screening.
Speaker 5: They did a screen in the l A where it
Speaker 5: was on treadmills instead of seats. You had to walk
Speaker 5: the three miles per hour the whole time and if
Speaker 5: you if you stopped or took a break, then you
Speaker 5: you had to get kicked out.
Speaker 2: I might try to.
Speaker 3: That's good marketing, is really marketing you're gonna kick me
Speaker 3: out this movie.
Speaker 5: I have to pay pro.
Speaker 2: A special screen. Maybe it was. I don't know, because
Speaker 2: I know intrigued because it puts you in the movie.
Speaker 1: No, it's not watch them walking, but you're doing it.
Speaker 2: The same and now movie and now you're thinking like.
Speaker 4: You it's not as as somebody I think to two
Speaker 4: point two point seven is probably yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: could be done three hours.
Speaker 2: Now the movie was two hours or four minutes?
Speaker 5: What really?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, no it was. It was. It was an hour.
Speaker 2: Another thing about I don't bro it was an hour
Speaker 2: forty ends. I remember sitting down, like I watched the
Speaker 2: movie that long. I watched it twice. I went to
Speaker 2: AMC is six thirty. I got it. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: the movie was that lost by.
Speaker 5: The Coca Cola commercial and popcorn unless I go the movie.
Speaker 5: But I like how they're getting created with the promos though,
Speaker 5: and they didn't that with weapons like the times that
Speaker 5: started too whatever the.
Speaker 2: Kid yeah fourteen Yeah, I thought that was cool too.
Speaker 4: But real quick while we talking about the speed in
Speaker 4: the book, because he didn't have and I just I
Speaker 4: saw ama that Stephen King did on it. That's how
Speaker 4: I know this, but but he said in the book
Speaker 4: is four miles fou But he didn't know though that
Speaker 4: that's unreasonable, so he changed it.
Speaker 2: He said, he glad that they're changing the three four is.
Speaker 1: You're probably right, but I thought it was more than that.
Speaker 1: But at any rate, Olympic.
Speaker 2: Everybody walking like that.
Speaker 3: So Pete has this idea of not thinking about making
Speaker 3: it to the end, just making it to the next moment.
Speaker 3: But shortly after that, one of the other kids, Ewing,
Speaker 3: has a seizure and dies. But then shortly after that,
Speaker 3: Ray asked Pete about the scar on his face.
Speaker 2: Rod, were you.
Speaker 3: Intrigued by the fact that Pete, who seems so happy
Speaker 3: and open and honest about everything immediately doesn't want to
Speaker 3: talk about the scar.
Speaker 7: No, yeah, I knew that probably was a soft spot
Speaker 7: for him. Whatever the scar was, it made it. It
Speaker 7: was too prominent, right, I mean, like, I knew they
Speaker 7: were going to bring it up at some point, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. And so yeah, I wasn't. I
Speaker 7: wasn't surprised that he wasn't ready to talk about that. So, yeah,
Speaker 7: what about you again? Oh I wanted to know what
Speaker 7: it was. I would have asked met man, what happened?
Speaker 2: That's what you would do that.
Speaker 4: You don't know me like that? But uh, but no,
Speaker 4: I think they did it well. I think they did
Speaker 4: it well to set it up for what was to
Speaker 4: come later because yea, his monologue was great. I want
Speaker 4: to speak to his performance too.
Speaker 6: He did a fantastic so I think he stole the show,
Speaker 6: to be honest with you. But yeah, I thought he
Speaker 6: would respond like that. That monologue was called I've been
Speaker 6: I've been walking my whole life. But even before that,
Speaker 6: when he talked about the moments, I looked at you.
Speaker 5: Like allegorithm like life like people are so focused on
Speaker 5: the end when really it's about the things that happened
Speaker 5: in between. And they even said that toward the end,
Speaker 5: about the you can know somebody for three hours, three years,
Speaker 5: or three decades. You can if you connect, then you
Speaker 5: connected all the connection all that was hard.
Speaker 4: That's actually a really good point about the long walk,
Speaker 4: which is life, and you're just trying to get to
Speaker 4: the next moment in life and enjoyed the join these
Speaker 4: moments to get to the next moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you looked at as adults you ever see kids
Speaker 5: are fascinated by like the Yeah, well we have kind
Speaker 5: of took it from granted, it's always that. I thought,
Speaker 5: that's what he kind of made.
Speaker 3: How the birds fly right, gotta be working ten minutes
Speaker 3: just asked me that, like why can't we fly?
Speaker 2: Like look, God and niggas that way to be quiet?
Speaker 5: So I like you like how he's been on the
Speaker 5: come up though, that guy he's I don't know if you.
Speaker 2: Remember, but rolaying. Yep, he's on roylaye. And then that's
Speaker 2: the movie I have brought to. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 2: watched it. You did? You did? You did? I don't
Speaker 2: know if you like it. I don't think you and I.
Speaker 2: It was him and a girl and it was like
Speaker 2: a romantic comedy. Oh that was him.
Speaker 3: I from Alien and right and he was Alien. That's
Speaker 3: when were you watch Industry here in that too. I
Speaker 3: haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 2: I know ye though, yeah, man, he's he's and getting better.
Speaker 3: Until this, I didn't care about him. I thought he
Speaker 3: was fine in Alien. I thought it was fine.
Speaker 2: And this, yeah, nah, he did his thing. He killed it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what accent he was doing.
Speaker 2: It was fine. I had it, bruh. That's why I
Speaker 2: watched it. Twice.
Speaker 4: There was another reason because there was a bunch of
Speaker 4: girls kids in there talking, so they run the whole experience.
Speaker 2: That's why when I test y'all some kid, it.
Speaker 4: Was like about thirty forty minutes left in the movies, like,
Speaker 4: shut the fuck up, bro, it got whitet. They didn't
Speaker 4: say ship the rest of the movie real quick. And
Speaker 4: then when I was so, I stayed behind. I was like,
Speaker 4: I want to see who was talking. So I was
Speaker 4: out through my phone awaiting kids. So the guy came out.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I ain't know it was kids. Man,
Speaker 4: I feel bad, man, you know I could. He said,
Speaker 4: my customers the funk out and I said, I said, no,
Speaker 4: you should feel bad. They shouldn't have been talking. And
Speaker 4: then they came out. They were like, man, you know
Speaker 4: he didn't have to tell him shut the funk up.
Speaker 2: We were talking. That's kind They weren't just strang. I
Speaker 2: moved there.
Speaker 3: It was packed like it wasn't an empty seat left
Speaker 3: where I was in and almost sat on this side.
Speaker 4: So so them and the accents. Because I can't understand
Speaker 4: the Asian, I couldn't understand that the black guy, I
Speaker 4: can't understand the other black guy. I can understand the
Speaker 4: white guy. I can't understand that. I can stand.
Speaker 2: Going. I thought that was just Bro was killing me
Speaker 2: everybody else. Isn't he from England?
Speaker 6: He's the black guys always. I think I think he
Speaker 6: was England trying to do a Southern accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, what is yeah?
Speaker 4: You talking about six that's a Baker Art Baker. I
Speaker 4: can understand him in points. But African, dude, Yeah, God, Bro,
Speaker 4: Africa to do it. African trying to do that Mississippi
Speaker 4: trying to do a Southern ship. Jesus Christ gonna get
Speaker 4: just dunk be jumping all over you.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they gave.
Speaker 6: Him the acting opportunity, but I was like, they playing
Speaker 6: with us. Man, we know this dude not from the Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Come on wrong.
Speaker 4: We can Maryland sometimes understand African, and here you go
Speaker 4: trying to do a son. You know, people struggling with people.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like some folks do struggle with Southern
Speaker 4: that sense and the African Southern.
Speaker 2: That's ship. That's insane.
Speaker 3: They never been double. That's a crazy it's never been.
Speaker 3: That's a crazy combination. That's like getting catch up in
Speaker 3: solid dress how you're gonna make this ship work? But
Speaker 3: I thought he was great anyway, bankovicage Barkovich starts teasing
Speaker 3: of the kids name Rank, which turns into Rank trying
Speaker 3: to hit him, which leads to Rank breaking the rules
Speaker 3: and getting shot, and this becomes a discussion around Barkovic
Speaker 3: being a murderer.
Speaker 2: Ab was he a murderer?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: He definitely played a role, clearly, because if he hadn't
Speaker 5: been antagonizing them, then nothing that would have happened. But
Speaker 5: I don't know, and may hopefully y'all can fill me in, Well,
Speaker 5: why was he so did Why did that affect him
Speaker 5: so much?
Speaker 2: Though? Rank?
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that what at least from what I got,
Speaker 3: is that Rank to start to lose it earlier than
Speaker 3: everybody else did.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's all I took from just losing his mind because.
Speaker 2: Of the situation.
Speaker 6: Well, I thought it was because he came from an
Speaker 6: environment where he was the one being teased like that,
Speaker 6: because he said he never had a group, He never
Speaker 6: had people, He was always a loner.
Speaker 2: Okay, Why did that bother Rank so much? Where you
Speaker 2: wanted to fight?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: You dude, the gut shot was? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: thought you wasn't good, was he ranked? I don't know.
Speaker 2: They were trying to, I think, and.
Speaker 4: That's probably why he was lasting because Berks was calling
Speaker 4: him sissy and stuff like that, and that's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what guys do even when they're not gay.
Speaker 3: So I never really got the impression that he was
Speaker 3: actually gay.
Speaker 2: He he kind of had the man rhythm, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I think they implied.
Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, it looked like it. It wasn't
Speaker 4: shut up, stop you're talking about the person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had a bad anyway.
Speaker 1: For the record, for those who't have video, I am
Speaker 1: not laughing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but what But I think why Rank reacted
Speaker 4: that way is because if that is indeed the case
Speaker 4: to connect all the ship together is that if he
Speaker 4: grew up being teased like Dan T's, then if Berkevich
Speaker 4: is teasing him, he's gonna react violently to being he
Speaker 4: was ship.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you know, no, See that's what happens, Jalen.
Speaker 2: You can't take no days off no more, bro, that's
Speaker 2: we lost connection to the camera.
Speaker 4: Hold on.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. See it's a long walkome be a long
Speaker 2: ass review times. Yeah, we have to cut the conversations.
Speaker 2: Let's cut. We can't cut the movie.
Speaker 3: I think we should cut the combo because we've dropped
Speaker 3: a lot of conbos lately, back to back.
Speaker 2: People know they do, but you already watched the movie.
Speaker 2: Let's just sue it. It won't be long that show
Speaker 2: movie too. Yeah, so he's here to do the movie
Speaker 2: history of all right, we are back you sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the cable just became unplugged. All right.
Speaker 3: So Rod rob Ronald gets the ships and ends up
Speaker 3: dying for it. And after that, Ray gets delirious and
Speaker 3: starts accusing Pete of wanting him dead. And shortly after
Speaker 3: this one of the most tense scenes of the film happens.
Speaker 3: This is where they're trying to make it up the hill,
Speaker 3: maintaining that three miles per hour speed Rod.
Speaker 2: Many of them don't make it.
Speaker 3: Ray almost dies and Pete has to come help him
Speaker 3: up the hill, and afterwards Ray apologizes to him for
Speaker 3: what he said.
Speaker 2: What did you think about this scene? I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 2: the only one. I'm gonna have to go back just
Speaker 2: a little bit every time. You can't. Yeah, where are
Speaker 2: you going? Go ahead? Motherfucker? Fall asleep like he fell asleep.
Speaker 3: I thought it was weird he fell asleep while he
Speaker 3: was walking. Never you never fall asleep standing up, not walking,
Speaker 3: not walking. But if you if you're walking for that long,
Speaker 3: I think it's completely feasible that your body.
Speaker 2: Could do that. I'm not saying that you can't.
Speaker 7: I thought I thought it was interesting because people sleep walk, right,
Speaker 7: that's a good point. Yeah, So so I was just like, okay,
Speaker 7: I like that they.
Speaker 2: Look like sleep walking is different. But him get this
Speaker 2: every time him. It was just the one that I thought,
Speaker 2: I know, I didn't think it's kid about the Oh wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it anyway.
Speaker 7: Let him get his thing on because he got to
Speaker 7: add this ship right right right. But but no, yeah,
Speaker 7: at first I was like, damn, I don't know. But
Speaker 7: then I started thinking about sleepwalking. I don't know what
Speaker 7: you have to say about that. But I started thinking
Speaker 7: about sleepwalking, and then like, and I'm just trying to
Speaker 7: make it make sense, like damn, this motherfucker's actually dreaming
Speaker 7: like while standing up walking like three miles per hour.
Speaker 4: So right, I did the same question because I was
Speaker 4: wondering how to fuckers sleep? So I did look it up,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's definitely possible. They call it micro sleeping.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and that's why you saw later on that
Speaker 4: they were holding each other y Yeah, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but yeah, because I was like, how the
Speaker 2: hell that? Because I was like you, I was like,
Speaker 2: what the hell?
Speaker 5: It was? The keeping the pace part?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that it's almost like your body
Speaker 3: goes in the cruise control. You're already walking that fast,
Speaker 3: and then your body's continues going that fast. Honestly, he
Speaker 3: probably would have made it further if you had just
Speaker 3: stayed asleep, you know, because of your body doesn't know
Speaker 3: it's tired.
Speaker 7: But I feel like they were walking for quite some
Speaker 7: time while they was sleep. Actually that's what it actually, well,
Speaker 7: that's what it implied.
Speaker 3: I don't think so because it was quick. You can
Speaker 3: you can fall asleep for five minutes and your dream
Speaker 3: will be like an hour, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I think they were.
Speaker 1: Trying to play with the time, but he's probably only
Speaker 1: sleep for like thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to go somewhere. That was interesting
Speaker 2: that you know that they threw that in there, like
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Like asleep?
Speaker 7: But the hell part was intense. It's hell, like, man,
Speaker 7: that that was a really really good thing because a
Speaker 7: by this time it was it was dark. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: it rains, I think right, huh it was the hill raining, Yeah,
Speaker 7: it was raining.
Speaker 2: It was raining too. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Man, they made this part intense. I don't know what
Speaker 7: did you act specifically, but yeah, I did think this
Speaker 7: part was really good.
Speaker 3: To your point about the hill, we all watched a
Speaker 3: lot of movies, so I'm thinking, Okay, they're not feel
Speaker 3: to show us every kill.
Speaker 6: How they gonna get the majority of these people out
Speaker 6: of here? And I thought the heill was brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I was like boom, and it was so intense, like
Speaker 6: roster like. It was like they were shooting right behind
Speaker 6: somebody that was walking the right.
Speaker 2: It was really good.
Speaker 4: And Stevens giving the backstory about what happened in the
Speaker 4: previous ones him for us, Yes, actually understand watching me
Speaker 4: the people that ding.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was a great reveal. It's like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: how they gonna narrow it down.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what I was really really focusing on this
Speaker 3: scene was hearing I don't know why, but hearing Ray
Speaker 3: apologized to Pete for what he had said to him.
Speaker 3: Because Pete didn't have to come back and help him.
Speaker 3: After what he said, he I felt like, you want
Speaker 3: me dad, you know you're trying to get I don't
Speaker 3: know what it was, but something about hearing that apology,
Speaker 3: I was like, god, damn, this movie is.
Speaker 2: Really like this movie is good.
Speaker 4: What I liked about it was actually like Pete mccrees
Speaker 4: just him coming to grab this guy, this random guy
Speaker 4: that he just met and grabbing and the look of
Speaker 4: intensity on his face like I got you, yeah man,
Speaker 4: and yeah he was like don't where I got you.
Speaker 4: And it's kept going and then like like you said
Speaker 4: the apology him just like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 4: believe I just said that.
Speaker 5: And Pete mccree's understanding, like, bro, you're delirious. We're all delirious,
Speaker 5: so you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, No, that that was that was really dope
Speaker 4: because because Garrett, because this head he told his white people,
Speaker 4: it was like, nah, you want me dead, but but
Speaker 4: get the away for me.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was really good.
Speaker 3: Like all of it added up to his monologue about
Speaker 3: like what I've been through like and why I would
Speaker 3: help you, like later on when.
Speaker 2: He talked about like his life.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, So what did you think about the conversation
Speaker 3: where Pete's telling Ray how he thinks this is a
Speaker 3: battle of the mind and not the physical, and that
Speaker 3: he doesn't hate anybody enough to win, so when the
Speaker 3: time comes, he'll just sit down and die peacefully.
Speaker 2: I thought he was full of shit. I thought he
Speaker 2: was full of shit. I ain't gonna live.
Speaker 6: I didn't think that, like you sign up for this
Speaker 6: at that point because I didn't know his backstory. Though, like,
Speaker 6: once I found out the backstory, that made a lot
Speaker 6: more sense. When he was explaining there was he was
Speaker 6: helping people throughout the whole time. Yeah, but it could
Speaker 6: have been, like dude said, to get in their head
Speaker 6: and then when we get close. That's what I thought
Speaker 6: before I heard the backstory. When I heard the backstory,
Speaker 6: it's true now, like he was being authentic when he
Speaker 6: said that. But in the moment, I didn't think that
Speaker 6: he was saying that if you got that far, you
Speaker 6: would just sit down like a plot.
Speaker 2: I thought that was I thought that would be the twist. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Even even so, I feel I feel why you would
Speaker 3: think that. I always believed him after he said that
Speaker 3: shit about it not being about anything, but moments I
Speaker 3: believed him. I think he thought he was going there
Speaker 3: to help people. I don't think Pete ever really thought
Speaker 3: he was gonna win.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think Pete went there to help other people. And
Speaker 3: he even said that if I will get to that
Speaker 3: part later, but if I win, my wish is going
Speaker 3: to be to help others. And I think that's what
Speaker 3: he was going for. So when he said that, I
Speaker 3: believed him. He's like, when I get tired, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: sit down and die peacefully. I believe one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I mean he was. He was so believable that, like,
Speaker 2: at one point I thought he was just a figment
Speaker 2: of somebody's imagination, whether it was Ray or something. I
Speaker 2: did have that thought. I know, yeah, because I know.
Speaker 7: Steven Spielwerk, he but Stephen King, he put supernatural stuff
Speaker 7: in his movies, right, so I thought that was gonna
Speaker 7: be something.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, what was this motherfucking not real?
Speaker 2: He's just like a figurment of somebody.
Speaker 7: Especially when he when he fell asleep and woke back up,
Speaker 7: I was just like, wait a minute, hold on, what's
Speaker 7: going on?
Speaker 2: So for a while I did think that.
Speaker 3: I thought that I realized everybody was talking to him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I was like, Okay, I'm good because I was that.
Speaker 2: Was gonna oh my god.
Speaker 7: Keep him going like he's somebody in his mind to
Speaker 7: keep him going. Yeah, keep him like moving.
Speaker 3: Like I'm sick of seeing movies, like right right, right,
Speaker 3: be real can wear with a big scar down his face,
Speaker 3: like I'm not trying to see this ship.
Speaker 2: That's how he died, and like.
Speaker 3: I died in Long Walks and they cut my face.
Speaker 3: Get the funk out of here, man. But no, I'm
Speaker 3: glad that's not the case. But Harkness, Harkness I found
Speaker 3: to be a very interesting character. But he's been documenting
Speaker 3: the whole thing. But he's somehow broken his ankles to him.
Speaker 2: Getting shot because he can't walk. But that one of
Speaker 2: the worst ones, was it? Man? Like he watched.
Speaker 3: Yeah after this, uhlu, Skywalker tells him they officially made
Speaker 3: it one hundred miles. But the question I want to
Speaker 3: ask Ken, what did you think about the discussion about
Speaker 3: wishes where Pete says that his wish is for there
Speaker 3: to be two winners for the Long Walk.
Speaker 4: I thought it was beautiful man, like he had developed
Speaker 4: such uh a kinshaw, this bond with this random white
Speaker 4: guy that he met on this walk that and that
Speaker 4: he would love that both of them could survive this
Speaker 4: and do good in the world. That was what he
Speaker 4: wished for so and nothing else. Man, that was a
Speaker 4: very self selfless act on his path.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was dope.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a good part from what I could
Speaker 5: understand his dialogue.
Speaker 2: That was one of the thing I thought that that
Speaker 2: was good. He had, he had some bars.
Speaker 5: I'll through this character.
Speaker 2: It was so good and I keep going to this.
Speaker 6: It was so good because later on you found out
Speaker 6: that he had lived this whole life alone. He had
Speaker 6: been going through all these places and this was the
Speaker 6: first time were one of the few times in his
Speaker 6: life that he really got to connect to somebody and
Speaker 6: he didn't want to, Like he could understand somebody taking
Speaker 6: this walk, building a connection and did you losing that
Speaker 6: person at the end of the walk.
Speaker 2: It was so good how he put that.
Speaker 1: But let me throw this back at y'all. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was talking about himself and.
Speaker 2: Ray Well, that wouldn't move be possible, right exactly? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's why I think it was.
Speaker 3: Even more beautiful because it was completely removed from himself.
Speaker 3: Because in order for him to win and even get
Speaker 3: the wish, Ray would have to be shot. So he
Speaker 3: was trying to make it to where future people could
Speaker 3: still win this game, but win it with somebody.
Speaker 2: That's why I thought this was just agree amazing.
Speaker 5: But it was like a flix, it was a flex.
Speaker 5: It was a like, I mean, once I win this ship,
Speaker 5: I still persist that. I don't know that he actually
Speaker 5: thought he was gonna win it.
Speaker 2: I mean, he signed pretty confident he was one of
Speaker 2: the most people. Yeah, he could win it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he said, I've been walking all my life, y'all
Speaker 7: ship on me.
Speaker 3: I don't think he put it like that he exactly,
Speaker 3: especially when on me. I don't think it was a
Speaker 3: level of cockiness to saying that he was looking around.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, he also said that if
Speaker 4: this was a physical content, because I would win, But
Speaker 4: it's mental things exactly.
Speaker 2: That's why I disagree with you. But it seemed like
Speaker 2: his mental was all the way there. He like, he's.
Speaker 1: That's fine, but we're going back to what y'all just said.
Speaker 3: I disagree with I don't think he was cocky and
Speaker 3: being like, y'all ain't got ship on me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna win.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, that's not I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, that's just what I was adding to it.
Speaker 7: I was adding like he ain't got I'm just saying that.
Speaker 7: He did say I've been walking all my life. I
Speaker 7: feel like I can win it.
Speaker 1: And they also looked at stabbings and said he's so
Speaker 1: in shape, he's a problem. He could easily win. He
Speaker 1: would have wanted, right, So, yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. Maybe I need to see
Speaker 2: it again. I don't.
Speaker 1: I never got cockiness at all from Pete.
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 3: If I win this, I'm gonna help people. When I
Speaker 3: get tired, I'm just gonna sit down and just die peacefully.
Speaker 3: Because if if he's that cocky, why would he even
Speaker 3: say that I will.
Speaker 2: He didn't look concerned.
Speaker 4: He did.
Speaker 2: The only person one time, But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He's the only one that didn't go through anything.
Speaker 7: It just seemed like he was fine, And everybody seemed
Speaker 7: like everybody that was walking either was sick, tired with
Speaker 7: deception of the with the Native American guy CALLI yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: those two are the only ones that just seemed like
Speaker 7: they were fine.
Speaker 2: It was no problem but I but that didn't give
Speaker 2: me cocky. That that gave me.
Speaker 1: I am content being here and helping these guys to
Speaker 1: the finish.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. That's why I said. I pulled back,
Speaker 2: like on the cocky came back, came up.
Speaker 7: All but get about it, but no, like no, it's
Speaker 7: more for more of a confidence. He seemed very confident
Speaker 7: that he could that he can get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Rob, what do you what do you think
Speaker 1: we finally get to hear about raised wish.
Speaker 2: Raised wish that?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I thought that was interesting, something something
Speaker 7: I kind of figured that's what it was.
Speaker 2: It was something that happened.
Speaker 7: He obviously made it seem like he wanted to to
Speaker 7: to it at the general yeah or whatever, like like
Speaker 7: he he just snatched his number from him and all
Speaker 7: that type of shit, and he didn't respect them.
Speaker 2: So I said, pas real fast.
Speaker 3: I was that part bothered me. He shouldn't have done
Speaker 3: that because that gave everything away, right, So.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it seemed like, yeah, he had an issue
Speaker 4: with him and even even uh mccree's asked, what's up
Speaker 4: with you in the general major?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Yeah? I wish they had left that out right, right,
Speaker 2: so I kind of, unfortunately, kind of what did you think?
Speaker 2: What's happening?
Speaker 3: I thought the same thing Rogers said. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's got an issue with the Major. The Major did
Speaker 3: something to him personally, and that's why he's I thought.
Speaker 2: He just had an issue with the whole thing. I didn't.
Speaker 6: They didn't give it away for me, and I was wondering,
Speaker 6: did y'all it seemed like he was kind of famous?
Speaker 2: Is it because he was in his home state? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: that was all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I guess these people are looked at like celebrities,
Speaker 3: the same way we look at football.
Speaker 1: Players and baseball players and whatever else.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought that part up
Speaker 3: because I was like the beginning of the movie, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, something here, and you could have done
Speaker 3: this just as well without including that.
Speaker 5: That wouldn't have given away anything. But I like that
Speaker 5: the flashbacks showed the state of the world though. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like you could just get pulled out of your crib
Speaker 5: tried in the street and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: so that's what time it is.
Speaker 6: It made it made it make so much sense. The
Speaker 6: car ride with his mom and she was like you
Speaker 6: don't gotta do it. He was like, no, I do
Speaker 6: I have to do this because he's still holding in
Speaker 6: his head. You shot my dad now in the street
Speaker 6: for him trying to teach me about the world like that.
Speaker 2: That was fired.
Speaker 3: But I felt Pete in that your dad didn't have
Speaker 3: to do that because the general gave of the major
Speaker 3: gave him an option. He said, you know, ren renounce
Speaker 3: everything that you've done and I'll let you live. And
Speaker 3: he was just like, no, that was standing up for myself,
Speaker 3: believe in herself.
Speaker 6: I think that made you a powerful I think that
Speaker 6: made it more powerful. His dad to be teaching him
Speaker 6: that behind his back and then go out in the street.
Speaker 6: He couldn't be like, I know, you know what, you're right,
Speaker 6: his son don't look at him the same, even though
Speaker 6: he still has his son.
Speaker 2: But just from a moral standpoint, his dad couldn't do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta stand for that. You can.
Speaker 3: You can be like, okay, I renounce it all, I apologize,
Speaker 3: I won't do it again. Then when you get back inside, like, son,
Speaker 3: this is the world we live in.
Speaker 2: Where you have to that would have been the smart
Speaker 2: thing to do.
Speaker 6: I agree, but I do I think it made for
Speaker 6: a hell of a character and show why he would
Speaker 6: go through so much and be in this long walk
Speaker 6: because of what his dad talking me.
Speaker 5: How would his son look at him if he would
Speaker 5: have done it right?
Speaker 2: If you done what are you teaching me bullshit? At
Speaker 2: least my son would be alive and I'd be alive
Speaker 2: to talk to him.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if the son would look
Speaker 4: at his dad as teaching bullshit if he explained to him.
Speaker 4: The reason why he renounced it basically is like I
Speaker 4: need to have us at the table. If I'm not around,
Speaker 4: then I'm unable to commit to help.
Speaker 2: In the fight.
Speaker 6: I don't disagree with that, but I do think it's
Speaker 6: more powerful and impactful on his life that he did
Speaker 6: it that way.
Speaker 2: No, because both of them motherfucker's dad boom.
Speaker 3: That is where I was gonna go right when Kim
Speaker 3: was done talking. It's basically selfish.
Speaker 2: That's realistic. Though.
Speaker 6: The people that we see that are really like for
Speaker 6: their calls, like they're not gonna get up in front
Speaker 6: of people and say, oh, well, you don't got to
Speaker 6: go to jail if you just say this.
Speaker 1: They don't say in jail like I can still talk
Speaker 1: to you while I'm in jail, That's true.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why this is different.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like you just shot me
Speaker 3: in the head in front of my wife and child.
Speaker 3: Because I wouldn't just lie to you and say I
Speaker 3: renounce it. I can continue doing what I'm doing one
Speaker 3: time back in the house. But I think the dad
Speaker 3: thought it's more important for you to see this. This
Speaker 3: is how they're gonna do is more important.
Speaker 5: Wheah, What makes you think that they haven't already been
Speaker 5: seeing that with other people.
Speaker 6: They may have been seeing it, And I do think
Speaker 6: that's why he was so interested in it, But I
Speaker 6: don't think it was personalized for him. That made it
Speaker 6: personal for him, That made it personal for him to
Speaker 6: go out there for the long walk. And I could
Speaker 6: wish for a million dollars, I could wish for all
Speaker 6: these things, but I'm gonna wish for his gun and
Speaker 6: I'm gonna shoot him so this ends, and this whole
Speaker 6: regime goes down. That comes from his dad getting shot
Speaker 6: right there. Yes, that don't happen if his dad don't
Speaker 6: get But for for the point of if this is real,
Speaker 6: what his dad did was stupid. God, what his dad
Speaker 6: did was fucking stupid. I've been doing this behind the
Speaker 6: government's back. I can continue trying to do this behind
Speaker 6: the government's back because even if I can't do it
Speaker 6: to the same capacity that I've been doing it previously,
Speaker 6: I might be able to inspire a greg or a
Speaker 6: Marcus or a Sean to be more powerful.
Speaker 3: I can't do that dead, because who even knows I'm dead?
Speaker 3: My family and the major I'm not really a martyr.
Speaker 3: I'm only a martyr to my son and now making
Speaker 3: my son go risk his life. And the whole point
Speaker 3: was all of y'all abandoned the mother, and it.
Speaker 2: Was all of you abandoned her. And he was doing
Speaker 2: this for He was just like his dad, for revenge.
Speaker 2: And that's it. That's it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, But but you know what, the fact that
Speaker 3: we all have different takes on why this works shows
Speaker 3: how much of a good decision it was to do
Speaker 3: this in the film.
Speaker 2: Shows that this is fucking good ass writing. It was.
Speaker 3: So what did you think about the convo between Pete
Speaker 3: and Ray about the families sitting on the side of
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 2: I found this very interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm Rod I'm gonna actually know ab I'm an kick
Speaker 3: you because Rob probably gonna have to think about it.
Speaker 2: Can't remember this part. I'm definitely I remember the part.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the cono.
Speaker 5: I remember the scene, but the specifics of the combo.
Speaker 2: Let me down.
Speaker 3: Let me down about Rob's face that he was like, wait,
Speaker 3: I remember this happening, but I don't remember what happened.
Speaker 2: Really, I forgot. This sounds like text. All right, does
Speaker 2: anybody else remember?
Speaker 3: I don't won't always have to be explaining it because
Speaker 3: it makes me like, I think it helps actually nobody.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is when there.
Speaker 3: Was like these families in the side of the road
Speaker 3: and they were watching and he and and Ray looked
Speaker 3: at it, like, look at these fucking assholes. They just
Speaker 3: want to see people die. But then Pete was like, well,
Speaker 3: look you see that, but I see a family being
Speaker 3: together in this moment. That's why I want to start
Speaker 3: with your ass. So it sounds like some raw ass ship.
Speaker 2: That's what piss me off.
Speaker 7: It is it is something I would say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I probably would see this is the way the way
Speaker 7: Pete saw yeah, because you know, I don't like to
Speaker 7: think negative that people have this negative ideal on things,
Speaker 7: you know, and yeah, it's just it's a family.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree more so with what Pete was
Speaker 2: saying versus.
Speaker 6: I thought that was brilliant in the sense of like,
Speaker 6: you see one thing, I see one thing and pective.
Speaker 6: It's all about perspective, and there's a saying that says, like,
Speaker 6: the first thought that you have, that's what you've seen
Speaker 6: from the world, what the world tells you. The second
Speaker 6: thought that you have, that's your personality.
Speaker 2: I like it, and that was I just heard it.
Speaker 6: God, bro, I think I think it was really powerful
Speaker 6: for him to be able to take that step back
Speaker 6: and say, you're just saying that because you're jaded.
Speaker 2: I'm not as jaded as you. Take it, take another look.
Speaker 2: I thought it was dope. Got anything else a can?
Speaker 2: He kind of agreed to everybody. Yeah, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: we're trying to get through it.
Speaker 1: I've already settled in that it's gonna be long.
Speaker 3: But I thought that that was a really really powerful
Speaker 3: scene and it definitely lends to stuff that happens later.
Speaker 3: Number four I can't remember his name, but he's the
Speaker 3: one that tried to jump on the tank and ends
Speaker 3: up getting his legs run over.
Speaker 2: This was a this was a twofer. So that happens.
Speaker 3: And then immediately after that, Trestler, who's the guy with
Speaker 3: the radio, the brother with the dreads. He tries to
Speaker 3: just run and he gets takes his clothes off. I
Speaker 3: can't believe y'all laughing, y'all dirty bro, because Man, they
Speaker 3: were trying to force me in the whole movie. We
Speaker 3: knew why wait what they're talking about? Hi?
Speaker 6: I feel like they were trying to force him in
Speaker 6: our perspective the whole movie. The guy with the radio,
Speaker 6: y'all talking about he.
Speaker 2: Was new, No, he wasn't new, but he didn't have
Speaker 2: any line.
Speaker 5: He kept coming up and dudes like, man, bro, who
Speaker 5: I thought that was?
Speaker 2: No, that's that was racist?
Speaker 1: And now another not you're bringing up. I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened to that black guy.
Speaker 2: I think that wasn't the same. That was the Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he got shot on the hill, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was always right there like no, no, not you?
Speaker 2: That was that was different about him. Yeah, I really did.
Speaker 2: He had to have gotten killed on the hill.
Speaker 1: They didn't make it clear because they they forced him
Speaker 1: in like they warning him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that this guy was definite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this seemed like another guy that we haven't really
Speaker 4: we hadn't really seen. And that's when he came in
Speaker 4: with the radio when it was like yeah, even Steppens
Speaker 4: had to join in on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when they when they showed him getting in trying
Speaker 3: to run off and get shot, AB, what did you
Speaker 3: think that this was them telling us is happening?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't really take anything other I did snicker a
Speaker 5: little bit, but I didn't really tell I didn't get
Speaker 5: the message from it though.
Speaker 2: I didn't really get him.
Speaker 3: I don't think there was a message per Sae, anybody
Speaker 3: else anything. Before I started yapping, they were breaking, they
Speaker 3: were I thought, started to kick in. Now show the
Speaker 3: different facts. Everybody's so tired and it's gonna do ship.
Speaker 2: It's crazy now.
Speaker 4: And they kind of really explained it later on when
Speaker 4: it comes when it came to os, did they try
Speaker 4: did they say that overnight that they had a time
Speaker 4: to stop?
Speaker 2: So it was straight straight walking only the general sleep major.
Speaker 1: That's why he wasn't supposed to go No, the major
Speaker 1: is able to.
Speaker 6: Go home and sleep, but he wasn't supposed to. Remember,
Speaker 6: he was like it's it's a secret that the major's
Speaker 6: what's rumored. They go showering, sleep, but they weren't supposed
Speaker 6: to know that. They thought he was up all night
Speaker 6: with them doing the same thing. Set in the same
Speaker 6: example for the America.
Speaker 1: Right, damn, you're right, Spike, yep, Wow, yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: The rest of them don't.
Speaker 2: Crazy. I couldn't figure that out. He did a first yep, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that part was just like, oh my god, man,
Speaker 3: like this kid who seemed to be the more positive
Speaker 3: one because he didn't really talk that much, but he
Speaker 3: was like holding the radio and all that. But after
Speaker 3: he sees that one dude get his legs run over
Speaker 3: and shot, that was enough. He breaks because at first
Speaker 3: I was like, why is he getting naked? But that's
Speaker 3: if you see a.
Speaker 1: Lot of people that have mental health breaks, that's sometimes the.
Speaker 2: Take off their clothes. It's like, no one really understands why.
Speaker 3: But yeah, anyways, so Ken, what did you think about
Speaker 3: the scene where Hank loses it and he turns and
Speaker 3: he walks towards the trucks with the lights. He gets
Speaker 3: shot in the stomach. In my opinion, they do that
Speaker 3: to make him suffer and then Art goes running back
Speaker 3: for him. So what did you think about this scene?
Speaker 2: This shit, This was a really dope, powerful scene.
Speaker 4: Because Hank throughout the movie was hanging on and he
Speaker 4: had talked about the gun, and we saw when those
Speaker 4: others two got killed, he had that gun.
Speaker 2: He was looking at it, and we could pretty much
Speaker 2: guess what happened to it just Art's reaction to it.
Speaker 2: You know, Olsen was walking this whole time, like he
Speaker 2: looked like the walking Dead, bro. You could see him
Speaker 2: started deterioration. Yeah, like he was. He was barely hanging on.
Speaker 4: But what I loved is that we got insight into
Speaker 4: what happened to the other people because Steppings came up,
Speaker 4: who they didn't really mess with, was like, hey man,
Speaker 4: you need to check on your boy because I think
Speaker 4: he's done.
Speaker 2: You know, he's exhausted.
Speaker 4: And he went up and then he was he said
Speaker 4: he said something about the god in the garden and
Speaker 4: then he took off and ran got shot in the gut,
Speaker 4: called out for Art.
Speaker 2: And when Art ran back, and when when Ray ran
Speaker 2: back to Art and he was like he needed me.
Speaker 5: He called me like called my name man that ship
Speaker 5: and then when when ods was like, I dad it wrong.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 6: And it was really dope that you could still hear
Speaker 6: in the back of my warning first warning that was cold.
Speaker 6: You had this emotional scene, but it still didn't take
Speaker 6: you out of what the fuck is going on right
Speaker 6: now and didn't really like we.
Speaker 2: Spent we spent time with him. He was one of
Speaker 2: the Musketeers, but he didn't have a lot of like lines,
Speaker 2: you know. It was just kind of engaging.
Speaker 4: It was like engaging and interacting with everybody else as
Speaker 4: part of the friend group, you know. But he was
Speaker 4: just he was just that guy that's just always around.
Speaker 4: But it was really centering on Ray and mccrees the
Speaker 4: whole time, and he was just like one of those figures.
Speaker 2: But yet when he dies, like damn, this part broke
Speaker 2: me in the theater.
Speaker 1: Boy, I was two seconds away from a thug tear.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, though, that was for me. We
Speaker 2: ain't got that yet. This this this one, this one
Speaker 2: really and I.
Speaker 3: Was saying to myself, I'm like, why am I even
Speaker 3: attached to these people? And it's just it's just because
Speaker 3: the movie is primarily dialogue and it's just we're just
Speaker 3: spending so much time with these people, and he seemed
Speaker 3: to just be not necessarily comic relief, but almost the
Speaker 3: light the more lighthearted one.
Speaker 2: And for them to choose him to make suffer. And
Speaker 2: when he's just laying on the ground, he's yelling out,
Speaker 2: I didn't do it right. I didn't do it right.
Speaker 3: And then seeing art and then having to pull him away,
Speaker 3: and this tall lanky black man just being like he
Speaker 3: called my name, he picked me, and I couldn't help him.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm like, yo, what the look rock
Speaker 2: right now? Y'all? I didn't even know they were. But see,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's so great about this movie is
Speaker 3: it makes you become homies like that because you just
Speaker 3: you mean something. Yeah, it's like you're trauma bonded. You're
Speaker 3: spending all of this time, and you're also delirious. So
Speaker 3: when you're delirious, either I hate you or I love you.
Speaker 2: There's no middle ground.
Speaker 6: So I think that that this movie did that so
Speaker 6: fun well man. And it wasn't for a fetch because
Speaker 6: they didn't have to show it. They just showed us
Speaker 6: the main two people that were paying together.
Speaker 3: We don't have we we had to figure that there
Speaker 3: were other silos like about the group, they just didn't
Speaker 3: have time to cover them, and there was their silo
Speaker 3: that it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know arts thing. I think last new Baker,
Speaker 4: he was like, you know, I just wanted to do
Speaker 4: this just and maybe make some friends, you know. And
Speaker 4: I think I think Olsen felt like he had a plan,
Speaker 4: like he knew how to do this. He thought he did,
Speaker 4: get studied up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it wrong. Plan didn't work. And he said,
Speaker 2: I didn't do it right. I did it wrong. I
Speaker 2: did it wrong. Fu man.
Speaker 5: He chose the gum the whole time.
Speaker 2: Keep the gum let him down. Oh my god, man,
Speaker 2: this movie. That's what he said.
Speaker 3: He I don't know if he said that exactly, but
Speaker 3: I'm pretty certain he took the gum out and there
Speaker 3: was like this whole idea the gum stopped working for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't say anything about the gum. He was
Speaker 2: just looking at looking at what's going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what you're talking about. He had talked about what
Speaker 4: the what his relationship with the gum and wife, and
Speaker 4: then he.
Speaker 3: Had this look on his face when he pulled it
Speaker 3: out and was looking at it. Yeah, that ship was
Speaker 3: crazy man. But after this, we get this revealed that
Speaker 3: Hank was married, Olsen was married, and they come up
Speaker 3: with this idea to give Hank's family some money. But
Speaker 3: Barkovich wants to be a part of the plan uh
Speaker 3: to get Hank some money, so Ray has to convince
Speaker 3: him that he's not a murderer, you know, and he's
Speaker 3: actually one of them, He's actually part of the group,
Speaker 3: which then leads to Barkovich having a breakdown and killing
Speaker 3: himself by stabbing himself in the neck and getting shot
Speaker 3: with the spoon. Yes, and the thing. Okay, before I
Speaker 3: get to my ship, Abe, what what? What do you
Speaker 3: think happened here?
Speaker 2: I did? This is one that lost me.
Speaker 5: I didn't get why he was so why was he
Speaker 5: trying to get the friendship back?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't That one didn't connect. I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: I'm missing. I'm clearly missing.
Speaker 7: So I understood that part of it. I thought he
Speaker 7: was gonna bring up for something else. But I think
Speaker 7: he was trying to get the alliance part. If I'm
Speaker 7: not mistaken right, he wanted the alliance of at this point,
Speaker 7: at this stage of the game.
Speaker 3: But I think he's saying why if he was just
Speaker 3: gonna kill himself, why didn't even care about the alliance.
Speaker 7: So that's the part because I thought he had a
Speaker 7: bigger plan because he said something to somebody earlyer like.
Speaker 2: You thought I got a plan for you?
Speaker 7: Later Yeah, I'm like, so just for you just gonna
Speaker 7: kill yourself. I didn't understand that part either. Yeah, he
Speaker 7: was just talking.
Speaker 2: I think it's part of the craziness, like the craziness
Speaker 2: kicking in and early on.
Speaker 6: I think that was the recurrent theme though, And I
Speaker 6: also think that he explained it a little bit. He
Speaker 6: was like, bro, I said this earlier, thought I was
Speaker 6: talking about the wrong person.
Speaker 2: Though. It's like I've been by myself my whole life.
Speaker 6: I've been the kid that was being made fun of,
Speaker 6: and now I see people out here making friendships, making connections,
Speaker 6: and I'm the asshole this out here. I'm the asshole
Speaker 6: this out here making fun of people. Almost I called
Speaker 6: this dude to die, and then he was the last
Speaker 6: ditch effort for him to be like, no, I want
Speaker 6: to be a part of something too, And it was
Speaker 6: a reluctance. They was like, Okay, we kind of believe you,
Speaker 6: and do was just telling him what he wanted to hear,
Speaker 6: and I think he read through that. He took himself out.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't even so, I'm with you for ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of that.
Speaker 3: I don't know that he's offered with. I don't even
Speaker 3: think it mattered. But the one word that jumped out
Speaker 3: to me when he did it was legacy. He did
Speaker 3: not want his legacy to be I was the person
Speaker 3: that murdered somebody and Ray knew that. So Ray absolved
Speaker 3: him of that. So he was just like, yeah, you're
Speaker 3: not a murder man. We don't think of it that way.
Speaker 3: It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2: So then once he was absolved of that, he could die,
Speaker 2: he could take himself. He was like, I don't need
Speaker 2: to be here anymore, you know.
Speaker 3: So when he walked up, so the thing I was
Speaker 3: gonna say earlier, I saw that fucking spoon in his hand.
Speaker 3: I was like, bro, if he stabbed my boy Ray,
Speaker 3: that's what I thought was gonna happen. I thought either
Speaker 3: he was gonna stab Ray or he was gonna try
Speaker 3: to stab Ray and Pete was gonna jump in and
Speaker 3: get stabbed. But then when he walked away, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that was weird the something happen with that spoon and
Speaker 3: when I thought that he jacked himself in the neck
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: He was at the end of his life. Just like
Speaker 2: they always say, your life lashes before your eyes where
Speaker 2: you're that, he.
Speaker 3: Was at the end of his life, and he's like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to go out of this world as
Speaker 3: being this awful person that they think I am. And
Speaker 3: he had one hundred and something miles of walking to
Speaker 3: think about that. So he was like, why didn't Pete
Speaker 3: ask me to be the part of the group. It's like,
Speaker 3: you guys really don't like me, and Ray could feel that.
Speaker 3: Ray was empathetic enough to be like, look, man, nah,
Speaker 3: don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: We don't think you're a murderer. And he's whispering you
Speaker 2: want Pete hear, because he might have been like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck we do? But nah? This this scene again
Speaker 2: was just beautiful.
Speaker 3: And the fact that when he drops they have to
Speaker 3: just keep walking. And I don't even think they showed
Speaker 3: his death because it.
Speaker 5: Was kind of faded in.
Speaker 6: They started doing them towards the end, and they only
Speaker 6: started showing the images I.
Speaker 2: Thought, I thought was great. I thought that was great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because by this point they stopped turning around. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: It's just it was just like part of the course
Speaker 5: at this point, like this is what happened.
Speaker 4: And they had a conversation about that earlier too. Yeah
Speaker 4: I hope I don't. Yeah, I hope I don't ever
Speaker 4: get used to that something like that. But the thing
Speaker 4: about Berkeovich, b Berkeovich was a very interesting character to
Speaker 4: me because he was clear to the bad guy of
Speaker 4: the movie, intentionally, unintentional, but I think that was just
Speaker 4: a way for him trying to have a purpose, like
Speaker 4: Michael was saying, a purpose in this group. Because remember
Speaker 4: in the very beginning, when they were introducing everybody, he
Speaker 4: made the joke about me Ma, and it was like me,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, And remember the reaction like they everybody
Speaker 4: else got a very welcoming sort of reaction, And when
Speaker 4: he said that, they kind of clowned to be like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck look at this guy, So immediately he
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, you don't fit in. And so he
Speaker 4: had been picking and messing with people throughout the movie,
Speaker 4: and as soon as I saw it, as soon as
Speaker 4: I saw it, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, is he gonna ask Berkovich? And he didn't.
Speaker 5: The question I had is did Pete do that intentionally
Speaker 5: or did he get it distracted by Stebbins.
Speaker 3: I think Pete did it intentionally because they just weren't
Speaker 3: fucking with Barkervich because he was he was evil they.
Speaker 3: I think Pete did see him as a murderer. I
Speaker 3: think Pete's niceties only went to a certain point. Like
Speaker 3: Pete's not just like some fucking naive pushover. He saw
Speaker 3: Barkovich for who he thought Barkovich was, which was an
Speaker 3: evil person.
Speaker 4: But remember when he had asked Stebbins, and Stebbins saying
Speaker 4: fucking whatnot? Somebody says something and he started to have
Speaker 4: another conversation.
Speaker 2: It was like and it.
Speaker 4: Flows so seamlessly that it's almost like, oh, he didn't
Speaker 4: get an opportunity to ask a point.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good point, and that could be it.
Speaker 1: I think that's cool that the movie left that open ended.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either. I don't know either anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I did like this whole scene. I did like
Speaker 3: the idea that it opened up about how you want
Speaker 3: to go out.
Speaker 2: Uh. I like that.
Speaker 3: He ended he said something like We're gonna be boys forever,
Speaker 3: or I'm gonna be with you boys forever, something like that.
Speaker 3: When you're insecure, you it's it's easy to become the
Speaker 3: bad guy of the group. It's very easy because you
Speaker 3: need to find.
Speaker 2: A place, and being the bad guy is the easiest
Speaker 2: way to find a place in a group. Facts, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So did it seem like they
Speaker 2: were upset about berkeer Vishtan and or do they just
Speaker 2: keep moving?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I think they were just upset about seeing anybody die
Speaker 3: at that point. So they were just like, we're not
Speaker 3: gonna you know, we're not gonna cry or weep or no.
Speaker 3: But they were just like, damn, but he just stab
Speaker 3: himself from the fucking nut. You know, people are just crazy.
Speaker 2: Rod was the scene where Ray ran into his mom
Speaker 2: on the sidelines and almost got shot. Touching to you, Nah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was, and it kind of it was some foreshadow
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 7: I think they talked about it before because they was
Speaker 7: saying about him being in his hometown, and at first
Speaker 7: I didn't really I ain't connected like that, But when
Speaker 7: I saw I was like, okay, that's that's what they
Speaker 7: were talking about. So that moment, then him thinking that,
Speaker 7: oh shit, I made a mistake. I thought that was touching.
Speaker 7: He was like, oh man, I shouldn't have did this.
Speaker 2: I should have seened my asses home.
Speaker 7: So so yeah, just him like kind of second guess
Speaker 7: that that was really powerful moment and real right you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. Yeah, they've been doing this the
Speaker 7: whole time. I mean I think his feet was bleeding
Speaker 7: by this time. You can take his shoes like your feet.
Speaker 5: It just had her having to see his feet like that,
Speaker 5: like as a mother I could just imagine, and then
Speaker 5: her having to be like, it's okay, it's okay man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was crazy. Get why he didn't
Speaker 2: take no dead shoes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, back up pair of shoes, no no, no, no
Speaker 5: elers that died.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have took you.
Speaker 3: You got warning, but your feet would have felt better,
Speaker 3: maybe even the second morning, but your feet would have
Speaker 3: felt thought.
Speaker 5: I'm like, why didn't take a back up because I
Speaker 5: feel like somebody had a pan over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have had three pair of shoes.
Speaker 6: He was step was definitely prepared man, I thought that
Speaker 6: was the most powerful scene in the movie, even beyond
Speaker 6: the end, and like just because it was brought up.
Speaker 2: He was like, you probably get a boost motivation when
Speaker 2: you see your mom. And then my boy was like, nah,
Speaker 2: it might work the other ways. See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They had talked about it.
Speaker 6: And then it looked like it was working that way
Speaker 6: for him. Hit him and turn around it and his pleased, like,
Speaker 6: I made the wrong decision. I did the wrong thing
Speaker 6: trying to run to her and she wanted him to come,
Speaker 6: but she knew the result of it, and telling him
Speaker 6: get away, man that.
Speaker 2: She was great a kid, She was good. She was good.
Speaker 2: The whole movie was.
Speaker 1: She just didn't get enough screen on the screen time,
Speaker 1: but in that scene was good.
Speaker 2: She killed it.
Speaker 7: Speaking of that, to like just those moments of him
Speaker 7: almost breaking it was it was cool to always hear
Speaker 7: not cool, but it was interesting to always hear them
Speaker 7: in the background counting off like three, two, the third
Speaker 7: one and this is the second one. It's always kind
Speaker 7: of hearing that in the back was really cool to
Speaker 7: add it to the movie.
Speaker 3: Ken, what'd you think about finally hearing Pete's story about
Speaker 3: his life, his family died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was homeless. Uncle beat him and
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Yeah it was you know,
Speaker 2: I mean a straw story. Man, it was a lot.
Speaker 2: It was a lot. Trying to think about it from
Speaker 2: a racial perspective. They called for that point. He said,
Speaker 2: I I was running.
Speaker 4: He said, my uncle beatman to the lead, driuted his
Speaker 4: own damn vomit or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then he said, I've been running my whole life.
Speaker 5: And then I finally got caught through in jail, and
Speaker 5: I was like, god, damn cut his face with the
Speaker 5: wrong one and he cut me good, cut me, good old?
Speaker 2: Are you right the facts? I was thinking, how old
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 6: But that made sense that he's been doing his own
Speaker 6: He was ten years old. That's like, that's a lot
Speaker 6: of seven years. I feel like there's a lot of life.
Speaker 6: But man, it made it built depth in his character.
Speaker 6: It built depth and made sense like he was like, man,
Speaker 6: I'm just happy.
Speaker 2: To be here.
Speaker 4: The only thing is just like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: just like again, it's hard for me to take out
Speaker 4: certain parts of the movie based on my lips of
Speaker 4: spirits were like, man, the only thing I do is
Speaker 4: just I'm gonna choose love.
Speaker 5: I don't been through hell, but you know what, God
Speaker 5: got me. This is like bruh, black people, I know.
Speaker 2: And that's the part I didn't like. That's the part
Speaker 2: I didn't like.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, so you just gonna you've been through hell,
Speaker 4: but you'll be like, oh, you know it's it's okay
Speaker 4: because I know some better way for me on the side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm saying it for him and the approach, the
Speaker 5: cheek piece peace love me.
Speaker 3: I feel ken, but only because he was black man.
Speaker 2: This is always our story.
Speaker 3: I had the worst life in the world, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I saw the light
Speaker 3: and I need to spread this, like y'all. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I love you people if you don't get your ass
Speaker 3: to funk out my face like we had a brother
Speaker 3: I always want to be and now I done got
Speaker 3: me wool get your bubbles trip as he was, you
Speaker 3: know what, I loved it and hated it at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 2: He was. He killed that whole He was a stand
Speaker 2: out of this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I think he definitely. I'm looking at him
Speaker 3: now and I want to see what he does after this.
Speaker 3: Like real Roles but Collie the American guy, he grabs
Speaker 3: a gun and kills one of the soldiers before getting
Speaker 3: shot in the stomach and also made to suffer a bit,
Speaker 3: but then he kills himself before the soldier has a
Speaker 3: chance to do it. But that immediately is followed by
Speaker 3: art Abe. What do you think about how Art went out?
Speaker 2: Art Man?
Speaker 5: Even though again I could barely understand them, I still
Speaker 5: fail them. I feel ful and we all knew. I
Speaker 5: feel like it was pretty clear who the last two
Speaker 5: were gonna be. Yeah, I didn't really take away from
Speaker 5: that because it's got to be a last two where
Speaker 5: it was two main characters.
Speaker 2: But that that was rough. How they held him up
Speaker 2: for so long.
Speaker 5: Man, it was they made I get a movie props
Speaker 5: and the screenplaying hold on for making a walk interesting
Speaker 5: where you mix it up with elements of weather or
Speaker 5: you mix it up with an incline or whatever, but
Speaker 5: them having to hold it up like the mixture of
Speaker 5: ship like that, because that was touching. They did a real,
Speaker 5: real good job.
Speaker 2: Of that ship.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: That was dope. Nah, I didn't, I didn't, but I was.
Speaker 4: I knew once he said my nose bleeding, and I
Speaker 4: was really interested in like what was happening to him?
Speaker 2: So I love that step.
Speaker 4: It was like, oh, yeah, it's internal hemorrhagy and that happens,
Speaker 4: and he was just his body was just shutting down
Speaker 4: and uh but you know him just saying you know, uh.
Speaker 4: What I found interested in this whole scene actually was
Speaker 4: was was mccree's. Peat's response, because remember this was right
Speaker 4: after Steppens was like, Yo, we can't help.
Speaker 2: Any anybody anymore, Like what are y'all doing? And uh?
Speaker 4: Up to this point, Ray is trying to help Baker
Speaker 4: move forward, and Pete like, nah, man, you fought a
Speaker 4: good fight.
Speaker 2: Bro. He said, yeah, you did good, but it's over
Speaker 2: for you, and he kind of let him go.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if the roles were reversed or
Speaker 4: he was just like, nah, there's nothing we could do
Speaker 4: to save this brother.
Speaker 6: I liked his suggestion there, even though it sounded weird,
Speaker 6: because if we keep helping each other, we're gonna put
Speaker 6: each other through more pain, like they're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 6: be out here for much longer than we have to be,
Speaker 6: and we know everybody can't make it.
Speaker 2: We can't do this.
Speaker 6: It makes it harder for the person to win. Yep,
Speaker 6: I thought that was fire. Oh I didn't take it
Speaker 6: would be merciful to art. Don't feel bad, man, if
Speaker 6: it's time for you to go, it's time for you
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 4: And whether uh did race it or Macree said Rod
Speaker 4: when he was like, and you made some friends along the.
Speaker 2: Way, which is what he yeah, which is what he
Speaker 2: wanted to do, said I have to make.
Speaker 1: Some friends, and you make man. When he said, promise me,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna watch.
Speaker 2: Their faces when it happened, the.
Speaker 3: Face of absolute terror, because they showed him turn around
Speaker 3: and walked straight towards the light, just like Olsen did.
Speaker 2: And then you just hear it in the background, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, and I'm going home. I'm going home. I
Speaker 2: forgot about that part. I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 7: And he had an a tense moment before that too,
Speaker 7: when he had to take a ship, like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: we have to.
Speaker 2: Go back to that. I'm just look, I can't wait
Speaker 2: to you. I can't wait to you something I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: But but Rob's right, we can't just ignore Bro like
Speaker 2: he wasn't powerful. He did.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying the fact that because I was
Speaker 4: what I was like what was gonna have to use
Speaker 4: the bathroom. And remember maccrees sprayed everybody like watch out,
Speaker 4: y'all said they't coming or whatever.
Speaker 2: That was Actually that was actually But.
Speaker 5: I'm glad they addressed it though, because they could have
Speaker 5: just left that out and we would have just been
Speaker 5: like how they took But I like that their shoulders
Speaker 5: because he.
Speaker 4: Was just pinch it off, yeah, hurry up, just pinch
Speaker 4: it off, man, And then he said then he was thinking,
Speaker 4: was like, hey man, you just.
Speaker 2: But it seems like they would have this sounds crazy.
Speaker 2: They they would have just shipp on themselves. Some of them.
Speaker 2: Now now now we see you talking about this, you
Speaker 2: could have moved on them. Did some of them?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry, last thing. Some of them did shoot
Speaker 4: on himself and and step and said Olsen.
Speaker 2: Did got you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then he was they were in front of him,
Speaker 2: so you can't spell that. You need to go check
Speaker 2: on your boy. This should have been a part of
Speaker 2: your five points. No, because it wasn't that important, he was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Absolutely people taking ships is not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would assume a long either you're in
Speaker 3: your hands or you're popping the ship and you're running.
Speaker 2: No, they can't leave that up. Bron wait till you
Speaker 2: can't wait. I can't wait. It better not be next
Speaker 2: week either, So a spraying this ship right? That was
Speaker 2: wise like a murl. This is for anybody.
Speaker 3: What did y'all think about Stabbin's reveal about being the
Speaker 3: major son and his story about the rabbit and.
Speaker 2: The dog races.
Speaker 7: That was something else that I figured too. I figured
Speaker 7: that he was probably his son. Okay, Yeah, I felt
Speaker 7: stupid because when he said it. I remember at the
Speaker 7: beginning of the movie he said, good luck son. Oh
Speaker 7: I didn't catch that, That's what I'm saying. It seemed
Speaker 7: like he just said it just because that's the old
Speaker 7: man the young man. Yeah, good luck son. But he
Speaker 7: was But I remember when he said it. He was
Speaker 7: the only person he said it to, So I thought
Speaker 7: it was weird.
Speaker 4: But I never even the only The only reason why
Speaker 4: I'm saying now is because when I went back and
Speaker 4: watched it again, it's it out because now I.
Speaker 5: Know the reveal, But I never saw that ship what
Speaker 5: it was. But I had a feeling that that was
Speaker 5: his dad.
Speaker 2: I knew one of them because he was the one
Speaker 2: that knew so much about the race, right, was he
Speaker 2: the one that knew? Yeah? Yeah, And that was that's
Speaker 2: when they kept asking, like what the hell was going
Speaker 2: on with the race?
Speaker 3: And then he was like, he's the son because him
Speaker 3: being a bastard son wouldn't give him any more access
Speaker 3: to the information.
Speaker 2: About what he cared more about. He was more into
Speaker 2: it because it was dead.
Speaker 3: But but why would he care more than Ray? So yeah,
Speaker 3: I never I mean, you know, it's cool that y'all
Speaker 3: guessed it. I must have been guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was saying like I was just saying, it's
Speaker 2: always only Rob. Yeah, yeah, I forgot what it was
Speaker 2: that that kind of made me think it was him. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was like, man, say something real, because that was good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I love real good. But he had started to
Speaker 4: kind of warm up. They started kind of warm up
Speaker 4: to him, you know, as a and on it was
Speaker 4: very reluctant. But now it was three of them, and
Speaker 4: you know, he was like, man, you know, because he said,
Speaker 4: some people like man, say something real. But the whole
Speaker 4: thing about the rabbit though, that was that was an
Speaker 4: interesting line too. It was like it's not even flesh,
Speaker 4: he said, but just chasing him because you think you're
Speaker 4: gonna catch it, and you just never will. And I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about the system and how we're in the system
Speaker 4: and they sell the American dream, which is the rabbit
Speaker 4: and work yourself up to the top, you know.
Speaker 2: So he said that he was the white rabbit. Was
Speaker 2: not the white rabbit. He just said that he was
Speaker 2: the rabbit race.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the That was the main part that
Speaker 3: I was I was asking about the main part that
Speaker 3: I was focusing on. So that was a cocky statement though, right, No,
Speaker 3: that was not No, So if you think about it, right,
Speaker 3: so you could view it that way, absolutely, But when
Speaker 3: he said the rabbit isn't even flesh and blood, it's
Speaker 3: just a symbol and the dogs chase it, I think,
Speaker 3: and I could be wrong, but I was thinking that
Speaker 3: he was talking about himself and his situation with the Major,
Speaker 3: and that when he entered the race, he was really
Speaker 3: just a symbol of the Major's greed or what do
Speaker 3: you call it, like sexual.
Speaker 2: It's not a deviance, but you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, just like being a being a ho. Yes,
Speaker 3: So he when he entered the race, that's what he symbolized,
Speaker 3: was the Major going around and not caring about the
Speaker 3: fact that he's fucking around and having illegitimate children. But
Speaker 3: then when his body starts to go out, and he
Speaker 3: starts to realize that I am actually human, and now
Speaker 3: his one wish was to be invited to his father's house.
Speaker 2: But then he realized that his dad might not even
Speaker 2: know he exists.
Speaker 3: He realized that his dad might not even know that
Speaker 3: he's his son, because odds are he's probably got a
Speaker 3: bunch of illegitimate children around because the Major is the
Speaker 3: top dog in that system.
Speaker 1: So I think he just thinks that.
Speaker 3: He's just a symbol of the Major's greed and whatever.
Speaker 3: But he realizes once he's in the race that he's
Speaker 3: more than that, that he's human. But by that point
Speaker 3: it's too late for any of it to matter.
Speaker 5: See, I was wondering if he knew that it was
Speaker 5: a symbol when you say he said son at the beginning,
Speaker 5: he knew.
Speaker 3: I don't know, So I think that what they probably
Speaker 3: were doing with that was that was the fuck with Stabbins.
Speaker 3: So he says good luck son, not necessarily saying hey,
Speaker 3: good luck my son, but to Stabbins, that's.
Speaker 2: What heard his head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeahs oh you're calling me son, I'm here
Speaker 3: for a reason. This is going to work out, whereas
Speaker 3: the major was just like, good luck son. I don't
Speaker 3: know that he knew that he was his kid.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, but he was the only reason.
Speaker 4: The only thing is he was the only person he
Speaker 4: said it to, and that that's and then I think
Speaker 4: when he was having that conversation, when he was telling
Speaker 4: him about that, he was like, I didn't even think
Speaker 4: he even knew who I was, But when he heard
Speaker 4: him say good luck son, it was like that's when
Speaker 4: he realized was like, oh shit, he does know who
Speaker 4: I am, yet he let.
Speaker 2: Me enter in the race anyway.
Speaker 3: That's why I don't think he knew because when he
Speaker 3: gets killed, he showed nothing. So if he's gonna call
Speaker 3: him son at the beginning because he knows he's his son,
Speaker 3: then I think he would have showed a drop of
Speaker 3: emotion when he just saw his son get shot in
Speaker 3: the head.
Speaker 4: When he showed nothing, I know because I think because
Speaker 4: he he's never cared about his son this whole.
Speaker 2: But then Pooty cared enough to call him son. I
Speaker 2: think maybe I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think it was just a fun with his head
Speaker 6: like it was a mental paradox as to what Mike
Speaker 6: was saying. He's saying it like you said the first
Speaker 6: old man to a young dude, took it as oh
Speaker 6: he recognized me, is my son. I think it was
Speaker 6: two different perspectives on it, which makes it actually more brilliant.
Speaker 6: But I think he well, we also say he has
Speaker 6: a lot of bastard sons out there anyway. I think
Speaker 6: he's just a shitty as you know father.
Speaker 2: That's the point. Yeah, so so.
Speaker 4: But since he never raised the kid, was never around,
Speaker 4: he just knew he existed, he wouldn't show any type
Speaker 4: of remorse that care for him because he don't give
Speaker 4: a fuck about him anyway.
Speaker 3: Right Always what I know, they always get onto us
Speaker 3: about getting stuck on something, but fuck it, y'all, motherfuckers
Speaker 3: came here.
Speaker 2: We didn't beg you to listen to this ship. Uh
Speaker 2: you listen. I'm with you. I get it.
Speaker 3: But I think that he would have had to show
Speaker 3: some level of care and knowledge in order to say
Speaker 3: good luck son. But I think it would be weird
Speaker 3: for them to show that he's showing this level of
Speaker 3: care to say what up son or good luck son?
Speaker 3: And then for him to just not show a single
Speaker 3: drop of emotion later on when he's shot in the head,
Speaker 3: I think it would just be weird writing.
Speaker 4: Now, if you got basket sons out there, you don't
Speaker 4: give a fuck. Think about Game of Thrones, they had
Speaker 4: a lot of basket son. They don't care about.
Speaker 3: Calling them, hey son, come here son, good luck son.
Speaker 3: They weren't saying that, So I think for him to
Speaker 3: actually put in the good luck son would show that
Speaker 3: he had some level of give a fuck of give
Speaker 3: a fuck for this kid.
Speaker 2: But I think that in the term of the story,
Speaker 2: and I could be told wrong.
Speaker 3: Obviously I didn't read the book, but in the in
Speaker 3: the terms of the story, I think that that was
Speaker 3: just to show why Stabbins was here and why he
Speaker 3: gave a fuck so much to finish this race.
Speaker 2: But maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: If anybody that's listening has read the book and they
Speaker 3: delve more into that, please let me know, because I'd
Speaker 3: actually be kind of curious.
Speaker 5: That that good look son sounded soul just like this,
Speaker 5: this is what he says to gas everybody to make
Speaker 5: it seem like that's how I took it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: it just seemed like he's gassing niggas motherfuckers up the
Speaker 5: whole time.
Speaker 2: He didn't give it.
Speaker 5: He ain't taking shades off none.
Speaker 4: I don't think he said it in a caring way.
Speaker 4: It's just in a in a way to acknowledge, like
Speaker 4: I know that you're a mind, you know, So I don't.
Speaker 5: Know that's a good call out, though I didn't catch
Speaker 5: it first.
Speaker 3: So Ray tell's Pete that he's used. He used to
Speaker 3: be afraid of death, but he wasn't anymore. Do you
Speaker 3: remember this convo?
Speaker 2: Rod?
Speaker 3: He says he realized that everybody's gonna die, but what
Speaker 3: matters is how you spend those final moments. Okay, well
Speaker 3: this was to me and maybe nobody else gave a fuck,
Speaker 3: But I found this be very, very very important, especially
Speaker 3: for how his character plays out later. He was basically
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, for a lot of us, death
Speaker 3: is the worst thing. You know, we're terrified of death.
Speaker 3: But then as he's been walking, he realizes that, look,
Speaker 3: death isn't really the main thing. The main thing is
Speaker 3: how you're spending these moments, which he got from Pete.
Speaker 3: Put that seed into him. No pause, Spike. So I
Speaker 3: think that this was actually really interesting because that calmed
Speaker 3: him in that moment. So if nobody cared about that,
Speaker 3: we'll move on to.
Speaker 2: The next point. Well, no, I think it was an interesting.
Speaker 4: Kind of turned for him and a sort of acceptance,
Speaker 4: you know, which was interesting in how the movie played
Speaker 4: out later on. For him to say that was an
Speaker 4: admission of like, you know, it's over for me, and
Speaker 4: I'm willing to sacrifice myself for somebody that because remember
Speaker 4: when we was talking to to mccreees earlier, Pete earlier,
Speaker 4: he was like, I can't see the things you see,
Speaker 4: and that all came back later and I think this
Speaker 4: was at the point where he kind of realized that
Speaker 4: he won't ever have those eyes.
Speaker 3: It's about those moments and that's really it. I don't
Speaker 3: have the ability to see life the way you see it,
Speaker 3: which leads.
Speaker 2: Us to the next part.
Speaker 3: Pizza is down, tries to give up, which again kind
Speaker 3: of goes back to what I was saying earlier is
Speaker 3: I don't think he ever really thought he was going
Speaker 3: to finish, but Ray comes back and convinced him to
Speaker 3: keep walking.
Speaker 2: Spike, where did you think when Ray then chose to
Speaker 2: sit down? And what about his reasoning for giving up?
Speaker 2: I was rise. I thought it was really good.
Speaker 3: How he kind of just faded when he when Pete
Speaker 3: first decided to sit down, he kind of just faded
Speaker 3: back and raided and noticed and then he turned around.
Speaker 2: He saved him. You just convinced him to get up.
Speaker 2: And then his reasoning was what again? What did he say?
Speaker 2: His reason was, he doesn't see the light.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what he loves about Pete.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, stop trying to make a thug cry.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because if I win, I'm not gonna do the
Speaker 6: things that you do with this victory. So I'm gonna
Speaker 6: sit down and then sacrifice my dad.
Speaker 2: That was fire. I thought it was a hell of
Speaker 2: a way and ended.
Speaker 6: I suspected that they were just gonna go with the
Speaker 6: easy route and let let him just do it, because that.
Speaker 2: Was the first person we seen on the screen.
Speaker 6: But to switch it up like that and have him
Speaker 6: actually take his thought process and sit down when like
Speaker 6: it's over for me, I thought it was dope.
Speaker 3: And he didn't even notice. That was so good that
Speaker 3: he didn't even notice. Yeah, he thought he was walking
Speaker 3: with him. They were so and go up through the conversation.
Speaker 3: We've been three hundred miles walking you my guy. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm just talking with the depth of this. And then
Speaker 3: you don't even know that he bowed out.
Speaker 2: And he got on warning helping Pete. Yeah, jesus, Yeah
Speaker 2: that was good. What about anybody else?
Speaker 5: That was a powerful scene. I will say that and
Speaker 5: we'll get to just next that what happened at the
Speaker 5: end kind of goes against what he didn't do, what
Speaker 5: he sacrificed himself for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he changed. Their perspective switched exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, their perspected their perspective switched because he ended up
Speaker 6: doing the same thing that he said the other guy
Speaker 6: said he was going to do. But that's not what
Speaker 6: he sit down for. He didn't sit down for you
Speaker 6: to do that, which I thought was great too. But
Speaker 6: I would have liked it the more I would have
Speaker 6: wanted something to happen. I want to see what they
Speaker 6: did about that. I didn't like to fade out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I get to that, But I did not see this
Speaker 6: coming at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a good twist, and this is what
Speaker 4: made the movie for me, bro because watching it, I'm like,
Speaker 4: you guys, I'm like, okay, you know, Ray and the
Speaker 4: mom we saw the moment they had together, which was great.
Speaker 2: Like this is leading to that, ye.
Speaker 4: And you can see Pete throughout, especially in the last
Speaker 4: like part of the movie, just looking at him, and
Speaker 4: especially after he told him that story and he heard
Speaker 4: another story. He just sitting there and they walked there walking,
Speaker 4: Ray just looking ahead and Pete just looking at him,
Speaker 4: and it's like that's when he made the decision. He
Speaker 4: was like, you need to be with your mom, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you have that moment. That was his
Speaker 4: good his contribution to the world. And when he just
Speaker 4: stopped and sat down. And now that we've been talking
Speaker 4: about him, Mike, I think you might be right because
Speaker 4: that is that's what he said he was gonna do,
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what he did. So I think you
Speaker 4: might probably write about with that.
Speaker 1: He wanted to die saving people and he's saved.
Speaker 2: In his mind, he was gonna say he was gonna
Speaker 2: save Ray so they can be with his mom, so
Speaker 2: she man.
Speaker 1: Where somebody won the race.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it wasn't him, he wanted someone.
Speaker 4: But when he picked when he picked him up and
Speaker 4: they were walking and and Ray was like, just walk
Speaker 4: with me in a little bit more.
Speaker 5: And that motherfucker dropped back. Yeah, that was and then
Speaker 5: all you heard was boom boom.
Speaker 2: Bro. I was like yo, and then man shot him.
Speaker 2: He was like what did you do? What did you do?
Speaker 2: And you just saw the man rod crazy. Hey, Bro.
Speaker 4: It was it was powerful because it's it's it's like
Speaker 4: you think movies would like Spice that take the easy
Speaker 4: way out, and they did not.
Speaker 2: I think it man, it was. It was. It got
Speaker 2: me bro, like the.
Speaker 5: Predictable way would have been because I'm sitting there thinking, okay,
Speaker 5: it was about to happen. I'm thinking, I'm thinking that
Speaker 5: Pete was about to sacrifice himself for Ray.
Speaker 2: That that felt.
Speaker 5: That's where it was leading to the very first person
Speaker 5: we meet, his Ray.
Speaker 2: He was the name.
Speaker 5: So I'm thinking, Okay, that's kind of predictable, but I'll
Speaker 5: take it it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but think about this also, ride because.
Speaker 4: It's almost like because we were having a conversation earlier
Speaker 4: about him basically doing the same thing that he that
Speaker 4: his dad did, and even in this moment he did
Speaker 4: it again. He said what he said, tell my mom,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, bruh. And and so I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 4: you just lovet your mom by herself, like.
Speaker 2: He said, and even even said he said, I'm just
Speaker 2: like my dad.
Speaker 3: I think he knew even if he won the race,
Speaker 3: he was still not going to be there for his
Speaker 3: mom because all he could.
Speaker 2: See is anger, revenge and chain and revenge.
Speaker 3: Even once he killed the major, I don't think that
Speaker 3: was gonna be enough for him. He was never going
Speaker 3: to be a loving person.
Speaker 2: And maybe PTSD.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was about to say, there's really no winner.
Speaker 5: After going through all of this, you've seen the last
Speaker 5: person standing. They're not gonna be happy or excited or
Speaker 5: you're going to be fucked up from here on out.
Speaker 5: So there's really no quote.
Speaker 3: Unquote winter in the worst like we're turning back for
Speaker 3: more like you said exactly. So yeah, so that makes
Speaker 3: Pete the winner. Rod, What did you think of what
Speaker 3: went down after they shoot Ray because Pete then shoots
Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker and then the movie kind of ends with
Speaker 3: him walking off. So how did you think the movie ended?
Speaker 2: Well, first thing I thought was like, they can't kill
Speaker 2: the black guy.
Speaker 7: I was just like, they've been not they've been I
Speaker 7: was just telling they've been not leading away for us
Speaker 7: or whatever with the ending or whatever. So so yeah,
Speaker 7: I was thinking, like, no, they're not gonna kill the
Speaker 7: black guy. So I was really curious to see how
Speaker 7: they were going to handle that. And I still felt
Speaker 7: the intensity of it, not knowing if they were gonna
Speaker 7: shoot him right afterwards.
Speaker 2: So I was happy that they didn't shoot him. I
Speaker 2: was left a little.
Speaker 7: Slightly confused as to what actually happened, Like what did
Speaker 7: that symbolized towards the end of him just walking off
Speaker 7: without when because we didn't even hear or see the
Speaker 7: crowd anymore, right, so like his spirit walking off, like
Speaker 7: I don't know what was going on. But so yeah,
Speaker 7: I was left a little confused. So I was hoping
Speaker 7: that you know, you guys had an idea. Anybody want
Speaker 7: to feel that out?
Speaker 2: Pause solid.
Speaker 5: Thought he died, I ain't gonna lie. I took it
Speaker 5: as could because I just don't see realistically you being
Speaker 5: able to get that off and shoot the major and
Speaker 5: just and be smooth you would have been I feel
Speaker 5: I'm figuring you'd have been killed immediately.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think so I think he could get away with
Speaker 4: it because remember they were having a conversation, conversation, but
Speaker 4: it was an untested theory right, and now I think
Speaker 4: we what conversations would have.
Speaker 3: I know he thought about doing it, that he could
Speaker 3: do it because he's the winner. He holds this level
Speaker 3: of power, so they're not going to kill him.
Speaker 2: I missed it.
Speaker 5: I missed that too, But it just seemed the way
Speaker 5: that the camera faded everything else out and that there
Speaker 5: was more fireworks, there was no more people.
Speaker 2: It made it seem like that wasn't reality. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Dead? Yeah, he was supers Yes, he
Speaker 2: is dead.
Speaker 3: Bro shocked that y'all didn't take it that way, said, yeah,
Speaker 3: you didn't know that, you said, Man, I was confused.
Speaker 2: I hope when y'all can explain that you did say
Speaker 2: that definitively dead? Broad? He is dead? Where where right
Speaker 2: in heaven? Brow light?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes it was. There was no there was no people.
Speaker 2: The fireworks were gone. Sound he's dead.
Speaker 4: Were there people behind him when he the whole crowd?
Speaker 4: Remember I thought the crowd was behind the crowd wasn't
Speaker 4: that far back? It was why he was he was surrounded.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: But but I'm saying if you go, if you kept going,
Speaker 5: the crowd was right there, and if you turn around
Speaker 5: and go the other way then that's where the soldiers
Speaker 5: in there, and there was there was they wouldn't just
Speaker 5: empty space and no buildings and all kinds of none
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 2: It was nothing.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he is dead, Rochester stuff with his initial
Speaker 3: thought that dead. They shot him that and that's why
Speaker 3: he shot him. You heard nothing from the soldiers. You
Speaker 3: didn't hear You heard nothing. You see him turn around
Speaker 3: and walk off.
Speaker 5: They didn't like the major either, so they were glad
Speaker 5: the soldier was the major was dead.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Why would the soldiers be upset about that?
Speaker 3: I think that they were making the whole point of
Speaker 3: this system, because when y'all said earlier, that long long
Speaker 3: walk is absolutely life.
Speaker 2: It's representing life.
Speaker 3: And you meet all these people throughout your life, you
Speaker 3: have these experiences, pain, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: For Rod, you get the ships.
Speaker 1: He's so concerned with people talking about the shit.
Speaker 2: You get the ships in life.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the life, you you either
Speaker 1: make it or you break.
Speaker 2: And Pete broke. The system broke him.
Speaker 1: Even the most positive of people, the system broke him.
Speaker 2: He couldn't.
Speaker 5: He couldn't see the light in the anymore. Even even
Speaker 5: in you could be the most nicest positive person. But
Speaker 5: if the way things are around you are built to
Speaker 5: where there is no light, you can keep it so
Speaker 5: you can have a false sense of it all you want.
Speaker 5: But and that's what I that's why all this slide
Speaker 5: that he ended up doing what he did versus what
Speaker 5: his initial thing was.
Speaker 2: Like, I just asked for two people, you know, the.
Speaker 5: Whole positivity kick after three hundred miles, bro, you not
Speaker 5: positive no more?
Speaker 2: Like I refuse to believe or remember.
Speaker 4: They also told him that you that there was other
Speaker 4: conversations that you can ask for two people.
Speaker 2: They're not going to break the system.
Speaker 4: They said, oh yeah, you can't ask for policy and
Speaker 4: procedure changes exactly.
Speaker 2: To help who already Spanish let me be Pete. I
Speaker 2: don't would. They focused on Pete seeing the light. This
Speaker 2: is why I just googled it's he been split on line.
Speaker 2: He's dead. It would have been to if.
Speaker 3: If you're talking about him seeing the light when he
Speaker 3: turns around, one of y'all just said there was no light. Yes,
Speaker 3: at that moment, Pete stopped seeing the light. He gave
Speaker 3: in to anger revenge and he killed him. There's no fireworks,
Speaker 3: which would have been the light there was not even
Speaker 3: light from the trucks anymore. He didn't see the light anymore.
Speaker 2: He died. I got it.
Speaker 4: But let's okay. So Spike be with me, all right.
Speaker 4: So he's still alive, but he doesn't see the light.
Speaker 4: He's he's cool to the system. But he's still alive.
Speaker 4: It's just his vision is is his light is gone.
Speaker 4: So he turned around exactly, so he saw the darkness.
Speaker 2: So the.
Speaker 4: Hope and positivity that he once had is no longer present.
Speaker 4: He's just still alive to live in that.
Speaker 2: From the gunshot and work. But that's a possibility to write. Yo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all right, But.
Speaker 5: I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 2: It's definitely left up for interpretation, which I did. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And it's a different ending from the book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were very few things. I know.
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna say that, but that was definitely something
Speaker 3: that I saw that was. Yeah, it was different from
Speaker 3: the book. I think this ending actually is a lot
Speaker 3: better than what the book. But all right, man, I
Speaker 3: think that this was a perfect ending.
Speaker 2: And I was with Rod.
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't, don't, don't, don't don't kill this black man, right,
Speaker 3: don't kill this black man. So I think it was
Speaker 3: very smart for them to imply that he's dead without
Speaker 3: us having to see you. The last question I'm gonna
Speaker 3: ask you, Ken Sinid you think this man is live realistically?
Speaker 3: No matter how rich this man is, when is the
Speaker 3: last time you've heard of a white government letting a
Speaker 3: black man live after shooting the leader of the white government.
Speaker 2: Would that be a realistic ass movie? Well, it is fantasy.
Speaker 4: Fantasy might to the point where there was a white
Speaker 4: guy that got up in the theater and left.
Speaker 2: At the end.
Speaker 4: Before like when when Ray got shot and the black
Speaker 4: guy won. This motherfucker got.
Speaker 2: Up left a long walk.
Speaker 4: Now, to be fair, I don't know if he was
Speaker 4: annoyed with the girls that were talking, but by then
Speaker 4: they quiet, so I don't know if he was just
Speaker 4: fan up or he was just like, hell, no, you're
Speaker 4: not letting the black person when someone walked down down man.
Speaker 2: But he got up and.
Speaker 4: Left, so I was like, oh, he liked this. He
Speaker 4: ain't like the fact that this black guys I'm winning
Speaker 4: all his bundy. So to your question, Mike, no, that's
Speaker 4: ship will not happen. But but yeah, but he's also
Speaker 4: very realistic.
Speaker 2: If you want.
Speaker 1: If you follow him on Twitter, he he knows what's up.
Speaker 2: He got us. He got the trouble last week for
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: Stephen Stephen, he definitely knows. This system is not gonna
Speaker 3: let no black man win all that money and kill
Speaker 3: a major and just walk away Scott Free.
Speaker 2: Ain't no fucking way.
Speaker 5: Did they ever specify the amount of money?
Speaker 2: Okay, life changing? I don't think said life changing.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I gotta be specific, right.
Speaker 2: I need to know what that means.
Speaker 1: Figures, anybody else got any any last lost thoughts?
Speaker 7: I mean, I was surprised that they showed a black
Speaker 7: man killing a white major. I was surprised that they
Speaker 7: actually did that in the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he wasn't black in the book. Apparently interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I liked it this movie that even we talked about
Speaker 2: it like even more so. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that I think the parallels to the life
Speaker 5: are there. But I also think the parallels to the
Speaker 5: rat race are there too, in terms of darking. And
Speaker 5: even my man got sick but still had to wall
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, pt O ship or whatever
Speaker 5: it was, It was a lot of rat race in
Speaker 5: the pursuit of money. Like I look at it from
Speaker 5: like anybody that's made a certain amount of money, like
Speaker 5: life changing money. Like if if you look at people
Speaker 5: who are billionaires, there's people that see that and think
Speaker 5: you had to step on hell of motherfuckers to get
Speaker 5: to that point. And so this is kind of like
Speaker 5: a little there's a little bit of that in there too,
Speaker 5: like to get the life changing money, which we would
Speaker 5: probably all considered like on some Bill Gates ship or whatever.
Speaker 5: He probably knows where the bodies is buried. He probably
Speaker 5: has seen some ship that we ain't seen, and so
Speaker 5: this kind of I looked at that. It's like they say,
Speaker 5: it ain't no good billions exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: That's all a reference to capitalism and life, because you
Speaker 3: can't win capitalism. You just can't, especially if you think
Speaker 3: you're gonna win without a whole bunch of dead people behind.
Speaker 2: Definitely not almost like a zero some game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I took that it was a fire move.
Speaker 2: Cool. All right, Finally I want to know your top three, but.
Speaker 3: That might be another conversation, might have to okay, but yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna end it here. Thank y'all for sticking with us.
Speaker 3: Blame these Negroes for making the sea so long and
Speaker 3: no pause, and uh yeah, we will see.
Speaker 2: Y'all next time. Pro homo.
Speaker 1: Uh we'll see y'all next time. Y'all have a good
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