1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: There is a cigar group called Pravada Cigar Club, and 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: I will admit I've never actually gotten cigars from them, 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: but I think that I don't think i'd be wrong 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: in saying that they've got a little bit of fame 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: to them. They got a little bit of notoriety to 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: them as a cigar club and finding some interesting stuff, 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: weird stuff, all sorts of stuff, and you can see 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: it online and you can find it in your local 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: to back in the shop. And well, in addition, there's 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: something called the Limited Cigar Association which is part of them, 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: and it's cigars they offer in cigar lounges and online, 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: just rare stuff if you will. It's through this in 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: one of the lounges I frequent here in Central Indiana 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: that I found the sublime from Pinnacle. This is a 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: six by fifty cigar. That means it is six inches long. 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Always makes fingers more way laugh. And the ring gauge 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: it is a fifty basically the diameter of the cigar 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: or how thick it is around. 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: Again, Wow, that's a new one. It's a little addition. 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: You got that. 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's six years into the show. You got to 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: mix things up a little bit. 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: Right again with the laughter. 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: So a sixty four ring gage is a full one 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: inch around fifty is where forty eight to fifty two 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: is really where I like to be. 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: So this is a bottom, I think. 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: At first glanced though this kind of looks like a connecticut. 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: You might think it's a connecticut. 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: It is a more standard light brown, maybe a little 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: more pale than than you're used to. But this is 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: an oily stick where you see just a ton of 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: the leaf and there's actually a bit. 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: Of veining going on through here. 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and then on top of it you throw in 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: this band, which is absolutely beautiful. 37 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: Right it's nine feet long. The band is huge right there? 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: Do you find that annoying when some cigar companies make 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: a band that big? Where it's you're in, you're just 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: getting into the second third and you've got to remove 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: the band. 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: No, And that has never ever bothered me. 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: The only thing that bothers me is when you've got 44 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: three or four separate bands. 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: It's just you make me do too much work. 46 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: Or you have decided that the glue should be some 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: kind of NASA superadhesive and and I can't get it off. 48 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: That is annoying. 49 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 3: No part of the cigar experience should feel like work. 50 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: Gonna put that on a T shirt? 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: I already did, did you? You can get it at 52 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 3: our website. I just made that up dot com. Oh, 53 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: I love that place. I love that place. It's right. 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: You also find that where you go to We'll get 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: to our website soon enough, dot net. 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: It's a grand spot. 57 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: Pinnacle, the sublime, the six by fifty. So it's got 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: a nice bit of oil. I almost wit, and not almost. 59 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: It feels a little light. There's a little bit of 60 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: whiffle ball bat. 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: To the cigar. Agree or disagree, fingers. 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: One, I would agree with you on that. 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: So with a ball bat, we mean that with a 64 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: feel of the cigar, it just feels a little light 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: in the hand. You would think six by fifty would 66 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: have a little bit of stoutness to it. I'm not 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: saying that it's gonna affect how it smokes. I'm just 68 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: saying it feels a little light. You started this up, 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: you have lit up, you have puffed yes, fingers Horatio Maloy, 70 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: what do you think? 71 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: Well, First of all, going back to the whiffleball bat 72 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: phenomenon that you brought up, and when it comes to 73 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: this cigar, it does feel a little light, but it's 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: not a real distraction. When it comes to hand feel 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: on the cigar, it still feels pretty good in the hand. 76 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: I just lit this, so I'm in the first third 77 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: of the first third, and to me, I'm getting right 78 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: off the bat. When I lit it, I got a 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: nice bit of wood and then followed up with some spice. 80 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: That is intensifying. That's all I'm getting right now. How 81 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: about you, Tony, You just let yourself that. 82 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Was It was a remarkably sweet salce. 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I have never said this about a cigar before, and 84 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: I could be far wrong. Pretzel really a little bretty, 85 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: a little sweet, a little salty, and I don't like salty. 86 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: That is not a flavor that moves me in a 87 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: cigar at all. The avo is it the karribe? I 88 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: think it is that cigar. I'm like, that cigar is 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: salty and I don't. 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: I don't like And people loved it. They thought that 91 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: cigar was was terrific. I'm like, nope, not my not 92 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: my thing at all. 93 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: Flavor is is you know about your palate, and your 94 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: palate is all about what's happening at the moment. 95 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: So you want to get your notebooks out right. 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: You want to talk about what did you eat today, 97 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: what did you drink today? 98 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: What is the weather like? 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Stupid humidity in Indianapolis, Indiana where we record stupid, dumb, diculous, 100 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: bigoted humidity going on out there, anti American humidity, that 101 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: is Tommy humidity. 102 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: Should see what it's doing to my shorts. 103 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: Wow? Just yes, went to the place. 104 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: I try to paint an audio picture. 105 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: That's what you're painting. Yes, that's what you're painting with 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 2: my shorts. 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: All these things will affect your palette. All these things 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: will affect how you you take in flavors. So what 109 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: did you eat today, what did you drink today? Those 110 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: things matter. You want to write those things down in 111 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: your notebook. You want to get a notebook, any spiral 112 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: notebook will do. Then take the cigar and in your 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: mind breaking into thirds, right, the first third, the second third, 114 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: and the final third, and write down the flavors. What 115 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: is it that you're experiencing right, doesn't matter if it 116 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: don't think of right or wrong, they're just How would 117 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: you describe what it is that's you're experiencing on the palette. 118 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: As you do this more, you may start thinking of 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: other flavors and be like, no, no, that's a little different 120 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: than that one. You might think back to other cigars, 121 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: et cetera. Then after you do that, you try the 122 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: cigar again a month from now, three months from that, 123 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. And then when you try 124 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: the cigar, you do the same thing. You write the 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: notes down, and then you compare the notes right and 126 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: get your through line, and like, this is the flavors 127 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: I got out of the cigar. This is the Sublime 128 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: from Pinnacle Cigars. 129 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: I don't know much about Pinnacles cigars. 130 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: This is the first time I've ever seen it burning fine. 131 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: That's pretty dang even as far as I'm concerned. And 132 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: the draw seems to be right on. Yeah, it is 133 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: right on. 134 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: And you went back going back to what you said 135 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: earlier about what notes you get out of a cigar. 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: You know, two people. 137 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: Can be sitting right next to each other, and that 138 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: happens often on this show get completely different impressions of 139 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 3: a cigar. I'm not at this point, very early on, 140 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: getting much in the way of sweetness off of this cigar. 141 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: It's more of a nice spice hit along with wood. 142 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: You're not getting any spice at all. 143 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would say that. 144 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think as I get into it, I 145 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: mean I had just started. 146 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: It was that first pop. 147 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that is an interesting, interesting flavor that 148 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: that I'm getting. That's that was really and truly a pretzel. 149 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: That's what I was getting. That's what it was. I 150 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: think there's a little more spice happening right now, and 151 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: this Habana Rapper, Habana Rapper, I'm not surprised is going 152 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: to bring that spice, but I am not, as of 153 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: yet overwhelmed by it. 154 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 155 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say it's overwhelming. It's just what I 156 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: got on on the light. I'll be interested to see 157 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: as we move forward how this cigar changes, if it 158 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: will get sweet for me, and if I'm interested to 159 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: see if I do get that pretzley kind of note 160 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: that you're talking about. 161 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know how long that's going to last. 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: But it was interesting because it was really specific to 163 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: the idea of salty, and that is not where I 164 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: live and breathe. In the slightest there's no doubt that, 165 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: like I try everything, But the things that that that 166 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: move me are those those earth notes, those leather notes. Uh, 167 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: that richness if chocolate, whether it's it's like a deep 168 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: dark chocolate right with that bitterness, or or even a 169 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: milk chocolate which you know can play Morris Coco. Those 170 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: things work for me. This is the sublime from Pinnacle 171 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: is what we are smoking. You want to grab one 172 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: at your local tobacconist. Now is this in our humid 173 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: or well? I think we got a whole bunch of 174 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: smoking to do, never seen in the brand, never mind 175 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: knowing what the cigar is gonna be. As we get 176 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: into the second third. The worst part about having the studio. 177 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: It's the only downside I have found thus far. 178 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: Uh we have a fly in the studio. We do, 179 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: there's a fly in the studio. 180 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: Why did you invite them? 181 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,239 Speaker 2: See? This is this is the whole point. 182 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: T Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is fingers from Boy. 183 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: Find everything we do at Eat Drinks smokeshow dot com. 184 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: Subscribe and like over there and be sure to check 185 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: out the podcast wherever it is you get your podcasts. 186 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: And the YouTube channel is YouTube dot com Slash Eating 187 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: smoke or something like that. 188 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, my uncle invented fly paper. 189 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: Is that right? 190 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: No? Okay, So because of the studio set up and 191 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: we've got the full cigar smoking opportunity in here, I 192 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: have this fan system that shoots that will suck out 193 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: the smoke and shoots it outside. But that fan system, 194 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: the only thing I don't have is a luvered out 195 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: so it like right, the fan goes on and it 196 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of pushes it open. 197 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: And it's because we do so much audio work in here. 198 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: The sound gets a little cacoffiness and it gets this 199 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: echo going. So I just have it screened and it 200 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: keeps out the majority of things, just not flies. When 201 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: it's nine bajillion degrees out and it's nice and cool 202 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: in the studio, and the flies like I ain't no dummy, 203 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: and then it flies in and that sucks. 204 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: That's why you need to put panty hose over it. 205 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: We'll keep the flies out. 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: I swear to you. That's not a bad idea at all. 207 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you go to the you go to the kmart 208 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 3: there and you get the pantyhose that come in that egg. 209 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: Yes, how do we all know the same things? 210 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: How we are grown men and we both are giggling 211 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: about the pantyhose that comes in the egg and maybe 212 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: more just giggling about the name pantyhose. 213 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: That's true. Now I got to google the name of 214 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: that pantyhose because it's gonna bother me. 215 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's it's a Legs team. It could be Legs. 216 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: It could be Legs l e G G S Is 217 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: that it? 218 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, l apostrophe e Ggs pantyhose. 219 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. 220 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: Uh. 221 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: By the way, the innovative packaging was introduced by Legs 222 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine, showing once again that we have 223 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: finger on the pulse of pop culture. 224 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: They were so ahead of their time. You know, this 225 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: show is dumb. This this is my takeaway. 226 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: What were we talking about flies in the studio? Yeah, 227 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: so Pemmyhurst might work. Wow, that was a whole thing. 228 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: So if you see a fly on the video, we're 229 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: aware of it. 230 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 231 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: They were not like Raiders of the Lost Ark. Neither 232 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: one of us is trying to eat one in the 233 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: middle of the scene. 234 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: That's just wrong. It's not Jeff Goldbloom either. 235 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: The uh oh, excellent pole not Jeff Goldbloom either. 236 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: Now, we've gotten out of the nineteen sixties. 237 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: We're right, Smack David in nineteen eighty seven. 238 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: Oh good lord that you found the story Fingers molloy 239 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: about a person who was planning a trip. 240 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: And I don't know about you. Have you? 241 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: Do you have any plan trips? I mean, if it's 242 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: not to bake, do you plan trips at all? Yes, 243 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: I'm an overplanner. It's a sickness. If I know, say 244 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to spend a weekend in the Northeast, Say 245 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: I like, I've always wanted to go to Maine. 246 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: Who doesn't. 247 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: I've never been to Maine. 248 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: Oh. 249 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: If I have more Yeah, if I have a month 250 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: to plan, I will be on the Google machine every 251 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: day looking for obscure places to go, things to see, 252 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: and I'll have a whole list and I won't go 253 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 3: to any of them. Happens every time. Would you trust 254 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: AI to do the planning? 255 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: No? 256 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: Not now, five years from now, I would because there 257 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: are some disturbing trends when it comes to AI and 258 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: planning a trip, especially if it has full access to 259 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: your phone like what happens. It can scan screenshots in 260 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: your camera role Google Maps can for example, and maybe 261 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: able to eventually plan a trip for you based on 262 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: the images in your phone. Not creep it at all? 263 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: Is it? It's all creepy. 264 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: So you're saying that the problem is the AI could 265 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: be invasive. Yeah, I can and see. My problem is 266 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: that it could be sentient. Are you the creed? 267 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: Are you worried that if you let AI plan your 268 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: vacation and they know it's a road trip, that at 269 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: some point if you sass AI and you're using the 270 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: Google Maps, it'll say keep going straight. No, that's not 271 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: a cliff, just keep going. 272 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh you think that the aif if you sass it, 273 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna perfectly purposely make you late. 274 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: No, it'll kill you because eventually it'll kill us. 275 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: All wow, wow, that's that's probably true. No, I don't. 276 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: I don't know, And I think this is the point. 277 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't search out AI to plan a trip, But 278 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: if I was using tools to plan a trip, how 279 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: would I really know that whether or not AI is 280 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: being used, whether there is some artificial intelligence engine running 281 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: in the background helping provide me what I need to 282 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: get from. 283 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: Point A to point B. 284 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: I feel like, unfortunately, in this day and age, we 285 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: have to assume that there's going to be some sort 286 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: of AI being used for almost everything. I'm wondering what 287 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: the travel agent the career lifespan is now for anyone 288 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: in the travel industry when it comes to travel planning, because. 289 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: Oh, we could say that about a whole host of businesses. 290 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely so, in a discussion with a friend of mine, 291 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: business partner I have in a in a different world 292 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: guy went to college with one of my oldest dearest 293 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: friends in the in the in the in the world, 294 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: who is far more technically. 295 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: Savvy than I. 296 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: He was discussing a conversation that that that he witnessed 297 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: where the whole AI conversation got turned on its head. 298 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: And first, there's the people who use AI for work. 299 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Certainly we see, we know that colleges, college students are 300 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: cheating left and right with AI. But turns out that 301 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: only happens in certain parts of university life. The guys 302 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: and men and women, boys and girls who are doing 303 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: math and science, the AI really can't help you. As 304 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, there are studies where if you're 305 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: utilizing the AI to help with the coding, the coding 306 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: project takes fourteen percent longer. 307 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: Right, So, It's very interesting stuff there. 308 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: And the AI real cheating is in the more liberal 309 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: arts kinds of place as opposed to the hard science 310 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of places, and that's interesting as well. But the 311 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: real interesting takeaway and this is a mind scramble of 312 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: a thought and is going to bother you if you 313 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: listening to the radio show all weekend and if you 314 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: get the podcast from the moment. 315 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: You hear this, it's going to bother you for days. 316 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you put a prompt into AI and 317 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: say do this or look up that or create this, 318 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: and it will find like part of what you're looking 319 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: for and then maybe it'll give you something you weren't expecting. 320 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: Right, you've done that before? You have you had that 321 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: have movie? 322 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: Well, I know I believe it was you. And this 323 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: was like a year and a half ago when AI 324 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: first was getting incorporated into X. You said create an image. 325 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: I think it was you of what Fingers Maloy looks 326 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: like based on his tweets, and it ended up being 327 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: a nice young African American gentleman. 328 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So people look at that and say, oh 329 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't believe AI created that the way 330 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: you need to look at it and it has changed 331 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: my perspective on everything is that when you program something, 332 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: when you create a computer program, it's supposed to do 333 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: what the what it's programmed to do. 334 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: When it doesn't do that, that's a bug. 335 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: Yet when we view AI, we view that as somehow 336 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: a feature, somehow it's creative, somehow it's cool. 337 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's learning. No, the AI is nowhere near where 338 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: it needs to be. 339 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: When it it doesn't do the task that it is 340 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: asked to do, that's a bug. And we're looking at 341 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: AI and its growth maybe in a very wrong context, 342 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: improper context, based on what we think is cool versus 343 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: what needs to get done. Enjoy that thought for. 344 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: A few days. 345 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: Eat, drink, smoking is your cigar bourbon FOODI extravaganza. I'm 346 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, that guy over there that is America's favorite 347 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: amateur drinker, Fingers molloy. We are smoking from Pinnacle Cigars. 348 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: This is the Sublime. We learned about this at a 349 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: local tobacconist here in Central Indiana and how the connection 350 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: to provide a cigar club and what they do with 351 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: some of these limited type of releases. 352 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: Limited Cigar Association. 353 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: This is an Ecuadorian Habano six by fifty Dominican in 354 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: the binder, the filler Nico Roguin, Dominican, and I think 355 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: there's another tobacco in there that is undisclosed. 356 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: Really still in the first third of this smoke, the. 357 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: Rapper here is is a good, actual thickness right there. 358 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: It looks really good burning for the most part. 359 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: Even his mind's a little off just because of where 360 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: I had it set down. 361 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: And the draw has been just fine. 362 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: Even though I think the cigar is a little bit light, 363 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: a little bit with a ball bat in its field, 364 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I think the draw has just been terrific. 365 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: It has been terrific. I will say now that I 366 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: am getting more into the first third of the cigar, 367 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: I'm not getting that pretzel that you're talking about, but 368 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: I am starting to get kind of a bready sweetness 369 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: that I didn't get at the light. That wood is 370 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: still there for me, That spice that was there at 371 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 3: the light is starting to subside again. And then it's 372 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: that whole argument, is it really or you're just getting 373 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: used to it? I believe though it's actually of subsiding. 374 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: A little bit. 375 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: I do think that I do consider that like a 376 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: pretzeley bready sweetness, although the salt is not necessarily there. 377 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: The spice has picked up in a bano. I'm not 378 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: surprised by that. In the slide, the wood is where 379 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree, but I agree that 380 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: there's a dryness. Now that's a weird thing, spice sweet dry, 381 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking it's a little more grass, it's a 382 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: little more hay than wood. But that spice could really 383 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: be more of a cedar note, and that's where it's 384 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: coming from. Not so much of pepper there is. There 385 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: was a spice hit after the what I saw was 386 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the pretzel, but now I think that's coming off the 387 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: wood note that you're referring to. So the dry is 388 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: kind of how my mouth feels. There's no salivation taking place. 389 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: I'm not saying no to the cigar, by the way, 390 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: So I don't know where I'm at with Is that 391 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: wood like a cedar note that's bringing out some of 392 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: that wood flavor and I'm kind of taking it as 393 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: a spice or is that an actual white pepper kind 394 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: of thing happening right there? 395 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: Well, either way, it's an interesting smoke. It's been very, 396 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 3: very good so far. I'm having a little trouble keeping 397 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: my lip, but that could be a humific munification issue. 398 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: Who knows, is it in your humid or fingers? Mooy 399 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: the Pinnacle Sublime for fourteen dollars. Probably, Yes, it's not bad. 400 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: It's not bad. It's not perfectly my flavor profile. But 401 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: I could see doing this from time to time. I 402 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: would rather it was twelve dollars, but it's under fifteen 403 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: and today's America exactly, and that for a six inch cigar, 404 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: which will give you I should give you. I'd say 405 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: seventy five to ninety minutes on this if it were 406 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: if you weren't doing a radio show, that's where I 407 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: would be. 408 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, But you bring up price, and I know this 409 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: is just anecdotal, but you and I were talking off 410 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: the air about some of the crazy deals you are 411 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: running into with cigars this point. 412 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, and we talk about 413 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: places like if there's something comes up, but I'm not 414 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: doing ads. 415 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: If you if you want an ad. 416 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Sponsorship is now available and we have some fantastic, fantastic 417 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: things to talk about coming up in the near future. 418 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: You guys know that we work with Flederman von Reest 419 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: Watches made right here to assembled here in Indiana von 420 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: Reest ri E s t E von Reest dot com. 421 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: You can use my last name Cats k A t 422 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: Z and get your discount. 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I'm not 434 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: gonna use it for the sake of the show. 435 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: It was a bundle of all of the millennios, right. 436 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: I love ali A, I love the Ceriv, I love 437 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: the Millennial, I love the Millennio Maduro. And it came 438 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: out to like five dollars and sixty cents a stick. 439 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: And I saw that, I'm. 440 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: Like, how in the world do you not how possibly 441 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: do you do you not make that happen? I bought 442 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: three bundles. The point that I'm met to you is like, 443 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: that's crazy, Like that doesn't make any sense. I don't 444 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: know how that happened. And and I I asked myself 445 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: at that moment, is something going on? So as we 446 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: discussed it was Cigar Fashionado who una was a David 447 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: Savona or somebody else that imports were up first quarter? 448 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Everything going on with uncertainty and everything else. The imports 449 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: were up first quarter, but that could be people pre 450 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: buying the tariffs because tariffs have had app We could 451 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: talk about a lot of places where tariffs have not 452 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: been pushed onto the consumer. Cigars, ain't it kitting? Every 453 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: price is up everywhere. 454 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: So maybe that could be an answer to the question 455 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: that is being posed, is because cigar imports were higher 456 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: than expected the first quarter, maybe people bought up a 457 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 3: lot of inventory and now they're heavy on inventory and 458 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: they want to let loose on some of their sticks. 459 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: This is a level of blowout I'm not prepared for. 460 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 461 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: The the all of a v millennium at six bucks, Yeah, 462 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: less than six bucks, and that like a Buffalo ten price, yes, 463 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: and the Buffalo ten's a fine smoke for six bucks, 464 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: but six dollars? What's your everyday cigar, the V millennium. 465 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: You're welcome. That is a that is not a bad 466 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: place to be. 467 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Now, if I if I had my brothers, it would 468 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: it be the cigar that I smoke every day. I 469 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: don't know, but it would be in any top ten 470 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: conversation cigars you could have every day. The V just 471 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: the V never mind. The millennio is good for any weather, right, 472 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: It's good. It's good for all occasions. So I don't 473 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: know what's happening. I don't know what's going on, but 474 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: that really did strike me as a huh. And so 475 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: now I'm like, I'm doing my own investigation as to 476 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: what else can be found, what else is happening? But 477 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: this right here, this Hamano, ECUADORI and Hamano. It's a 478 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: nice nice stick time fingers alway. 479 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 3: For news of the week, USA Today has the story Tony. 480 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: A new report says that each of the two major 481 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 3: wildfires that devastated parts of Los Angeles County in January 482 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: costs more than twice as much as they previously thought, 483 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: adding up to sixty five billion dollars in losses. 484 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: The fires, yes, sixty five billion with a bee. 485 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, and most of it has to do with 486 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: the fact that, you know, the increase the increased tag 487 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 3: has to do with the location of a lot of 488 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 3: these homes that were destroyed in the fire. 489 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: Every conversation about loss in the fires, you know, that 490 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: can lead you down political roads. And we don't really 491 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: get political on the show, right, we are political people. 492 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: We don't do it for the show. We'd like to 493 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: stay away from that. But allow me this part of it. 494 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: Why hasn't the rebuilding begun? It's a good question. 495 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: Why hasn't this happened? Why are they holding this up? 496 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: What is this permitting issue? Are they going to allow 497 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: people to rebuild their homes? 498 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: Are they going to say no, you can't do that? 499 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: And bless Adam Carolla, who has been the hero of 500 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: this conversation. Has he is still in southern California and me, 501 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: I was there for six years and I said, okay, 502 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: I've had enough here, thank you, Cleveland, good night. 503 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I don't care about your politics. This is 504 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: the story. It's not the losses. 505 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: Because we could talk a lot of things about the 506 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: fires and why they weren't put out sooner, and the 507 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: issues and the and how they dealt with brush management, 508 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: and and and everything else. 509 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: Why aren't they rebuilding that? 510 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: And you know, if you want to make that political, 511 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: more than happy to do it, because no matter where 512 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: your politics are, you should be incensed by it. 513 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: Well, it feels like, if I'm remember remembering this correctly, 514 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 3: local and state officials talked about how we're going to 515 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: streamline the process. There's going to be a lot less 516 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 3: red tape. But then you mentioned Adam Carolla who has 517 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: been documenting the progress in front of his home. His 518 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: home wasn't really damaged all that much on the fire, 519 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: but in front of his home, the ocean front property, 520 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: a lot of it was destroyed, and he is he's 521 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: documented on his YouTube channel. There's been no progress at 522 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: all when it comes to here around build. 523 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: And it's and it is obscene. It is it seems 524 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: purposeful in its delay. There seems to be a real 525 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: want to try and change, uh, the the whole concept 526 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: of what the Palisades was and people, you owned the house, 527 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: and well you're not going. 528 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: To have that anymore. It's gross. What's happening. The Chinese 529 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: want you to know that it's not good to make 530 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: fun of the other sex. 531 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: Are we being specific? 532 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's just it. I don't know. 533 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Let me tell the story and then we'll figure it out. 534 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: Go on tea, drink smoke im Tony Katz. That right 535 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers Maloy the Guardian 536 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: with the story. Chinese officials, so we're talking about the 537 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party, obviously warn comedians that mocking the other 538 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: sex is no laughing matter. The warning comes after a 539 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: string of shows by women comedians joking about men went viral, 540 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: so provincial officials warning comics again, stirring up discord between 541 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: the genders and struggling them to criticize constructively rather than 542 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: for the sake of being funny. 543 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: Here, here's the problem. Here's the problem. 544 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: When you're going political, tenant is murder. Anyone who disagrees 545 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: with you also stand in line for twelve hours for bread. 546 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: These people don't know funny. Commedis do not know funny. 547 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: That is that is obvious. 548 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: Well, when you're a Chinese comedian and you say you 549 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: murdered when you're on stage, be a whole different conversation altogether. 550 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: When you're a communist, when you remember the Communist Chinese 551 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: Party not Chinese. 552 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 3: I'm talking about Chinese in China, I'm not talking about it. 553 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: You're talking about communists. You gotta say it right because 554 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: someone's gonna come at you. You know, it's like the 555 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: joke from a Robin Williams has told this joke. Evan say, 556 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: it has a takeoff of this joke. Why aren't Germans funny? 557 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: He killed all the Jews? 558 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean that is the wow, that's the joke. I'm 559 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: this is the set quite literally. If Robin Williams was 560 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: alive today, he'd be like called it. It's the same concept. 561 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: Well, I will say I did see the bit that 562 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: the Chinese communist were upset about. This female comedian got 563 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: up and she said, you ever notice that men are 564 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: from Mars and women are from Venus? 565 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: The bit whole bit. 566 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: Uh. I must admit that the first part of the 567 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: story that really grabs me is stand up comics in China. 568 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: What are you saying? 569 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying that it seems like an impossible place for 570 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: a stand up to be able to do anything because 571 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: of all of the government pressures that are on you. 572 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: It seems an impossible thing to do. 573 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: The only way I know sometimes that America is still 574 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: free is that you know, comics are out there doing 575 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: their shame. 576 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: Gillis has a career shame. Gillis gets hired by Saturday 577 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: Night Live. 578 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: They find three errant tweets, they fire the dude, and 579 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: ten years later he's hosting Saturday Night Live. 580 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: It's the only way I know America is still the greatest. Well, 581 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: it's the only way possible. I do know that at 582 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: the Beijing Comedy Store, it's been said that when you. 583 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: When you go, that was donna delay on my part. 584 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god, when you go to the Beijing Comedy Store, 585 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: they do say when you visit. 586 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: The laugh factory, literally, yeah. 587 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: Three hours later you want to return. 588 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: I'm doing a factory joke. 589 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: You're doing a Chinese joke, and the communist or not buddy, see, 590 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: you can't do this in communist China. 591 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: So I was really taken by that. 592 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: Instead of mocking blindly confident men, it is better to 593 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: explore the social causes for this mentality. Instead of blindly 594 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: ridiculing maternalistic women, it is better to reflect on how 595 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: consumerism shapes gender roles. 596 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: The government giving you tips on. 597 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: How to be funny, when central planning comes down to 598 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: the comedy store, then you know comedy is dead in 599 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: your country. 600 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: Comedy, self expression, freedom of thought, all these things. 601 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: I mean, is this the wrong show to admit that 602 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: communism sucks? 603 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: Like? 604 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 2: Is that somehow? Is that a problem for anybody? 605 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: Probably there'll somebody be out there saying, right now, stick 606 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: to the cigars. 607 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: Oh oh, you can email me at suck it at 608 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: Eat drinksmokeshow dot com. 609 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: But it'll probably come to us we have a catch up. 610 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: But what's amazing about this? For those of us who 611 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: are old enough to remember the Soviet Union, it felt 612 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: like there was kind of an underground comedy scene, or 613 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: at least people in Russia, you know, where they were 614 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: not afraid to express their sense of humor privately. But 615 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: this is something where they are they're actually coming down 616 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 3: on female comedians. I would be interested. You don't think 617 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: of stand up comedy and China, No, no, no, no, 618 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: you don't, So it'd be interesting I would. Of course, 619 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: Obviously the language barrier would be a problem, but to 620 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: see what the stand up comedy scene is like in 621 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: China would be fascinating. 622 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: Right well, first of all, the level of bravery that 623 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: it must take, because everybody gets it, everybody knows the problem. 624 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: The level of bravery it must take to get on stage. 625 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: And how about the bravery it takes for the audience, 626 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: because they hear the joke and they go look around 627 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: and see if they can. 628 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: It's almost like being in a comedy club in America. 629 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: Well that was the problem, wasn't it. 630 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: Look am I allowed to laugh at it? Right? 631 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: Can I laugh at this? Can I laugh at that? 632 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: You can laugh anything you want. Don't let anybody tell 633 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: you you can't. 634 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: Screw those people, dear lord, and and they are the 635 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: call them the Karens, or call them the thought police, 636 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: call political correctness. Uh, they're They're all the enemy. They're 637 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: all the absolute enemy, you know. The I don't think 638 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: that saying I'm a comic is a shield against all criticism, 639 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: But I think being able to say what you want 640 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: is shielded by the First Amendment right, And and even 641 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: that has limits. There are whole theories and conversations philosophies 642 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: about what are the limits of the First Amendment? Are 643 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: there are there reasonable moral limits one should have on 644 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it for oneself? And then are their legal limits? Is 645 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: anything truly absolute? And the answer for by the way, 646 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: for people who want to say that their first Amendment 647 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: absolutist and they can say anything they want it and 648 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: and they're protected slander and libel or not right the 649 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: spoken word of the written word that these things are not. 650 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: You've seen lawsuits regarding defamation. There are some things that 651 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: simply are not acceptable that that can get you in 652 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: a whole heap of trouble. Now, the fact that you 653 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: could still say it is is maybe the freedom part, 654 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: but it is not free of some level of response 655 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: in certain ways. But this is a far cry conversation 656 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: from what we're talking about with communists China, where you 657 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: can't speak ill of men because we don't allow that. 658 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: Here. 659 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot about men that should be spoken ill of. 660 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: H I also have a couple of women that I 661 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: could speak ill of for sure. 662 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: Nant to name this, sure, I'm not gonna do that, 663 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 3: Trat not gonna have you know why, because you acknowledge 664 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 3: the fact that men are from Mars and women are 665 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: from Venus. 666 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: They're not, they're not. But the you know that right, 667 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: well you know that met are not from Mars. 668 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, we've got people at the lab over at the 669 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 3: Fingers Maloya Institute of Institutes for Institutes looking into this, 670 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 3: right now we got a handsome government grant, not from 671 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 3: the Chi coms. 672 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: No Chi comms. 673 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: Listen, just for the sake of clarity, I'll say anything 674 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: about the evils of communism anytime I want, including the 675 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: communist Chinese. 676 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: I don't care. 677 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: If the podcast is no longer available in China, We're fine, 678 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: thank you very much. If any of these Chinese comics 679 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: will come to the United States, will put you on stage. 680 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: We'll put you on make it happen. I don't know 681 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: how you're gonna get out, but we will put you 682 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: on stage gladly and joyfully. But they're not ever gonna 683 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: hear this offer because the podcast is not available in China, 684 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: and I never apologizes. 685 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 3: Just got an email from the Chinese communists the inform 686 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: you that I need to stop using the. 687 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: Three hour joke. 688 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 3: Good call back, look at you three hour joke. 689 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 2: I think first that there are stand up comics in China. 690 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: Did not know that that the communist Chinese are trying 691 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: to regulate this stuff is exactly what they do with 692 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: all with everything else they do with social credit scores 693 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: and everything else. 694 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 2: And most importantly, let this be a reminder of how 695 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 2: fortunate we are to live in and. 696 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 1: We live in the United States, and to live free 697 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: and to live in a place where you can, where 698 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: you can be the funny. 699 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: Amen. I just wish more comics were funny. That's just well, 700 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: that's a really us Stephen could beat joke.