1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: In Newport News, Virginia. What began as a regular day 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: for an Army veteran quickly turned into a tragedy after 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: a knock on the door. The unexpected visitor could have 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: been an angry neighbor, or perhaps someone with sinister motives. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: Who would target someone with such a. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Noble background, and what could motivate such a dangerous act. 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: The events that follow begin to unfold, raising alarming questions 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: about the motives behind this deadly encounter and the shadows 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: lurking just beneath. 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: The surface of everyday life. What happens when love? Because 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: its fatal? 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: This is a Fatal Attraction podcast with Death at the Doorstep. 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: April seventh, twenty twenty one. It's late Wednesday night in 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: Newport News, Virginia, a hard working port city just across 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: the James River from Norfolk, home to the US Navy's 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: Atlantic Fleet. 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 4: Newport News is pretty much a military town because you 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: got one of the biggest naval bases on the East 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 4: Coast right here, and you also got a couple surrounding 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 4: army bases as well. 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 5: You have a lot of active and retired military in 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 5: and around Newport. 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: News, and at two o'clock that April morning, the wife 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: of one former serviceman makes a frantic call to nine 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: one one. 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 6: Nine one one, What is your emergency? Something's happened to 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 6: my husband. Okay, call down. 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 5: What is your name? 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: The caller is thirty six year old Danielle Chabez. 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 6: Diane told the operator that she and her children were 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 6: away from the house that night. 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: But she called her husband, thirty nine year old sel Chabaz, 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: to say good night, Hey, baby. 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 7: How's it going. 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: Hey. 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 6: Danielle and her husband were on the phone talking, and 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 6: all of a sudden, she hears a knock at the door. 38 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 7: Hold on so much at the door? 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 6: Who he went to? See? 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: Who he was? 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: So? 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 7: Can I help you? 43 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 5: She hears her husband talking to whoever is at the door, 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 5: What are you talking about that? 45 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 8: The next thing she hears are a series of bangs. 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 7: I only worried about. 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 6: It, so. 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. 49 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 6: I think it was gunshot. 50 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: Then the phone goes silent. 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: He won't answer me. 52 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 9: Your mind would just run the gamut of possibilities. 53 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 8: Your mind just start spinning. 54 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 6: She was completely terrified that something had happened to him. 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 6: Please please send somebody to the house. 56 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: Selsha Baz grew up in South Bend, Indiana, as one 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: of twelve siblings. 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 6: His mother had six children, and then she adopted six more. 59 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 8: I couldn't do without God. 60 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 10: He called me to be the mother of these children, 61 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 10: and he put me to do so to paran them. 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: The fact that half his siblings were adopted wasn't all 63 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: that said. Sal's family apart. 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: He grew up with his mom being Christian, his father 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: being of the Islam faith. 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 10: His full name is Saladin Eben Shabaz. 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: Saladin is a name. 68 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 6: He was named from a historic consultant from Egypt and 69 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 6: Syria who fought the Crusaders and the Holy Land. 70 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: From an early age, sal lived up to his heroic name. 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: He was a star athlete when he was in high school. 72 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 10: He played varsity football from the today he walked into 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 10: high school all the way through his book all kinds 74 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 10: of records that have yet today to be broken. 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,559 Speaker 6: He was very popular South Shabaz. 76 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 8: Is that all American kind of do. 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: After finishing high school, Sel continued his success in college. 78 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 6: So I played football for Brand's Valley's Stake and then 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 6: transferred to Minnesota State. 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: However, he didn't graduate. Instead, his life kreemed in a 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: different direction. 82 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 6: While he was in college, sALS on again off again 83 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 6: long term girlfriend Danielle Holland got pregnant. Sal and Danielle 84 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 6: had known one another since they were kids. 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: With the impending birth of their daughter, Sale and Danielle 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: decided to make their relationship official. 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 10: They got married in two thousand and seven. He got 88 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 10: married at the courthouse on New Year's Eve. 89 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 8: It was like a quick wedding. 90 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: And Cel chose a different path for his life to 91 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: support his family. 92 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 6: Sally listed in the army. 93 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 10: He came to me one day and said, Mom, I 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 10: want a wait to provide for my family, so I'm 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 10: going to go to the service. 96 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 3: Although it wasn't without risks, Sal. 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 11: Was immediately deployed to the Middle East to do a 98 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 11: full tour in Afghanistan, and the. 99 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: Disruptions didn't end once Cel came home from overseas. 100 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 11: Once Sal returned from his deployment, he was stationed in 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 11: Newport News, Virginia, So Danielle packed up with her husband 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 11: and they moved eight hundred miles away from Indiana to 103 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 11: the Chesapeake Bay. 104 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: Together, they built a new life in Virginia. 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: Sao and Danielle had four daughters. 106 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 11: Danielle was working at the post office as a mail carrier, 107 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 11: and once Sal got discharged from the military, he got 108 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 11: a job as a forkliff operator. 109 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: A decade after Sal first shipped off to Afghanistan, he 110 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: and Danielle had beaten the odds. 111 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 6: A lot of military couples don't last after the spouse 112 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 6: is away for such a long time. Sal and Danielle 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 6: were the exception. It was almost like they were men 114 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 6: for each other. 115 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 10: He's a good husband, awesome dad. He always was a provider. 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 6: They had a bright future ahead of them. 117 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: Only now Danielle fears something terrible has happened to her husband. 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 6: Sal's wife has called Newport News police after hearing what 119 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 6: she believes to be gunshots. They had been talking on 120 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 6: the phone when she heard the bangs. 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: He won't answer me, and. 122 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 5: At that point, nine one one dispatches the police to 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 5: the house to investigate. 124 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: When officers arrive, they see nothing alarming. At first. 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 6: The front door is closed, there's no sign of a gunman. 126 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 8: There are no signs forced entry. 127 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 7: Yours office. 128 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 11: Not taking any chances, the police carefully make entry into 129 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 11: the Sabbaz home. 130 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: Inside, they find a horrific scene. 131 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 6: The first thing they see is Sal Chabbaz lying on the. 132 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: Floor east lag of a pool of blood. 133 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 5: He had been shot four times. 134 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: Stay with us because someone knew more than they were saying, 135 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: and the cigarettes begin to unwrap them. 136 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 12: This is the Fatal Attraction podcast. 137 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: Hard working forklift driver and Army veteran Sal Chabez was 138 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 3: as all American as they come. 139 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 5: Sal was a very nice sky, a cool person, easy 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 5: to get along with. 141 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 6: He had integrity, he was kind, he was honest. 142 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: And he was raising four children with the love of 143 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: his life, his wife, Danielle. 144 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 6: She was someone that he felt that he could build 145 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 6: something with, build the life, or build the family with. 146 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: But now police are at selling Danielle's home in response 147 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: to a desperate nine one one call. 148 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 8: Danielle, she's on the phone with her husband. 149 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 9: And he hears a knock at the door and the 150 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 9: next thing she hears are these bangs. 151 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 6: So so she knows and her got something's wrong. 152 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: When police enter the home, they discovered that Danielle was 153 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: right to fear the worst. 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 6: Sous lying on the floor in a pool of blood. 155 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 6: He was bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds. 156 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 5: He was pronounced dead at the scene. 157 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: When homicide detectives are run, they start their investigation by 158 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: examining Sal's body. 159 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 9: He's been shot two times in the torso twice in 160 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 9: the head execution style. 161 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 6: Near the body, homicide detectives find four shell casings lying 162 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 6: on the floor. 163 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 5: They then took those casings and sent them off to 164 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 5: ballistics to be tested. 165 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: Ballistics could eventually lead detectives to the murder weapon, but 166 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: there's little at the scene to suggest the killer's motive. 167 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 11: A thorough search of the home shows that there was 168 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 11: nothing disturbed, which ruled out the potential for robbery. 169 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 8: This was deliberate, This was intentional. 170 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 6: The question was why targets out. 171 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: Looking for answers, the detectives canvass the neighborhood. 172 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 5: Officers talk to neighbors and asked them if they had 173 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 5: any information. 174 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 6: None of the neighbors reported seeing anything suspiciously. 175 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 8: Everybody was asleep at the time of the crime. 176 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: But the canvas could still provide some crucial information. 177 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 7: How you doing okay? 178 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: The neighbor across the street had a doorbell camera. 179 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 11: Doorbells have been used in cases across the country to 180 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 11: assist in getting information to police. 181 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 3: With the homeowner. Detectives review the doorbell cam surveillance footage. 182 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 6: This video shows a black suv which pulls out at 183 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 6: two in the morning. 184 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 11: A shadowy black figure gets out of the suv and 185 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 11: then walks up to Sal's house. 186 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: Sau opened the door. They had an exchange of words. 187 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: Then the figure at the door pulled out a gun 188 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: and started shooting. 189 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 6: The shooting played out exactly as Danielle described. 190 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: The video also appears to confirm that Sal's murder was 191 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: a targeted hit. 192 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 6: The suspect jumps back in the suv and he peels 193 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 6: off what the headlights turned off. 194 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 8: This was strictly about killing his person. 195 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: But confirmation of how it happened doesn't get detectives any 196 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: closer to solving the case. 197 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 6: They can't make out the person or the license plate number. 198 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 3: With no other leads, investigators turned to the closest thing 199 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: to a witness they have. 200 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 11: Investigator's next move is to speak to the person who 201 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 11: was on the phone when it happened, Danielle. 202 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 5: The officer sent a cruiser to pick Danielle up and 203 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 5: bring her in to see if she could offer any 204 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 5: additional information as to what happened to her husband. 205 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 7: We're sorry for your loss. 206 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: When Danielle sits down with detectives, it appears that she 207 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: is still in shock. 208 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 8: This is a tough situation. 209 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 9: Danielle just lost her husband, but police have to do 210 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 9: the job. 211 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: Detectives ask Danielle to start by walking them through the 212 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: events leading up to her call to nine one one. 213 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 5: We were just saying good night, and everything was just 214 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 5: fine until someone knocked. 215 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: On the door. 216 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 7: Hold on, saw it's up the door. 217 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 5: She said. He goes to the door, he answers it. 218 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 5: She hears a conversation, so and she hears what sounds 219 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 5: like gunshots, and then the phone goes silent. 220 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 6: She just doesn't know what to do at that point. 221 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: However, Danielle does know one thing. 222 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 7: Do you have any idea who's at the door. 223 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 6: She does not hesitate to give them an answer. 224 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 9: There's no question in her mind who did this, No question. 225 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 5: It's this woman that works with me. 226 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 13: To Sharotte Jackson, stay tilled as more of the killing 227 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 13: starts to slip through the cress. 228 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 12: This is the Fatal Attraction podcast. 229 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: Sales. Chabez's wife, Danielle has just told detectives who she 230 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: thinks gunned down the thirty nine year old Army veteran 231 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: in the foyer of their Newport News, Virginia Holmes. 232 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 6: So Danielle tells investigators that she is convinced that to 233 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: Sharra Jackson, who was a fellow coworker at the post office, 234 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 6: is responsible for her husband's death. 235 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: What makes you think she was involved? 236 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 6: To Shara and I have been having problems. 237 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 11: She and Tashara have been going back and forth in 238 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 11: a few that began over a dispute at work. 239 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,599 Speaker 7: What sort of problems. 240 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 6: I don't even know. 241 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,479 Speaker 3: It's just like we don't get along, and according to Danielle, 242 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: things had recently escalated. 243 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 6: She mounted it at the nail sign Well, well, well. 244 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 8: And I guess they have words. 245 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: I don't know what you looking. 246 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 6: I so you need to put those eyeballs back in 247 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 6: your head. Her and too Shara got into a huge 248 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 6: argument outside of the nail salon. 249 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: You did admit that watch a shower was steting her 250 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 4: nails done that she in fact slashed her tires. 251 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 7: You slashed the shar tires. 252 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,239 Speaker 6: I know I shouldn't have, but I just got so mad. 253 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: And things only got worse from there. 254 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 6: A few days later, according to Danielle to Shara retaliated. 255 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 5: It was my birthday and Sao took me to Vegas 256 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 5: for the weekend. 257 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: When she got back, her car was vandalized. 258 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 11: Someone had spray painted the vehicle, slashed every single tire, 259 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 11: and stuck a candy bar in her gas tank. 260 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 5: She knew exactly who it was. She knew that t 261 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 5: Shara was behind it. 262 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 6: She didn't call the police, but she just didn't let 263 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 6: it go either. Danielle said, the knight of the murder, 264 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 6: they want to go confront to Shara. 265 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 7: Slowin with you. 266 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 10: Yeah, he only goes to protect her. 267 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: According to Danielle, the confrontation occurred outside a local restaurant. 268 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 6: Oh there you are, Yeah, right on time. Come and 269 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 6: get it, Come and get it, because you can't mind 270 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 6: about it. 271 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 9: They get to scrapping to Shara and Danielle. They're going 272 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 9: at it. 273 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: Danielle says she was gaining the upper hand when to 274 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: Shara threatened to take things to the next level. 275 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 10: Why he beating to Shara down to shower, howlers out, 276 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 10: grab my pistol, Grab my pistol out of her car. 277 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 6: That's when sal and Danielle decided it was time to go. 278 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 7: You guys left. 279 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, we jumped in the car and we got out 280 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 6: of there. 281 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: However, Danielle says she was afraid of what would happen next. 282 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 5: She felt like Tashara was going to retaliate. 283 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: So she grabs the girls goes to a hotel. 284 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: She just felt that it was safer. 285 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 7: Sal didn't go to the hotel with you. 286 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 6: I tried to get him to come with us, but 287 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 6: he wouldn't listen. 288 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 5: He wants to protect his house, protect his home. He 289 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 5: doesn't know what's going to happen next, but he just 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: wants to make sure they have a home to come 291 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 5: back too. 292 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 6: Can you please come? 293 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 7: I want to stay here. I'm gonna protect this house, Okay. 294 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 9: Sal being a man, he's gonna stand his ground. If 295 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 9: anybody comes up in here, they're gonna have to deal 296 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 9: with me. 297 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: A few hours later, Sal was dead. 298 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 6: Which is why Danielle is so sure that Sashara killed him. 299 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: But while Danielle is certain, the detectives aren't so sure. 300 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 4: Why would this workfew escalate to where somebody is now dead? 301 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 11: It raises questions as Danielle trying to throw the detectives 302 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 11: off to look in a different direction. 303 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 3: To rule her out definitively. Detectives ask Danielle to submit 304 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: to a GSR test. 305 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 5: It isn't uncommon in a murder to look at the 306 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 5: spouse first. 307 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 4: They did do gunshot residue analysis just to make sure 308 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: that she wasn't the shooter. 309 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 6: Based on the neighbor's door cam. Though the shooter wasn't 310 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 6: a woman, they are looking for a black male. 311 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 9: If she were not the trigger person, gunshot residue can 312 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 9: be transferred very easily. 313 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: Well they wait for the results, detectives move on to 314 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: the only other lead they have, to Sharott Jackson, But 315 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: when she sits down for questioning the following morning, they're 316 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: surprised by what they find. 317 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 9: She's the opposite of what Danielle portrays her as. 318 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 4: To Shara, based on Danielle's account, is evil, vindictive, but 319 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 4: to Shara was in fact a loving nurturer and church 320 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: going person with no criminal record, no violent history. 321 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: And according to to Shara, that's not the only thing 322 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: contrary to what Danielle led them to believe. 323 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 6: Once detectives sit down with Tashara, they begin to hear 324 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 6: a very different side of the feud between Tashara and Danielle. 325 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 5: Let me just tell you she's crazy. 326 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 6: To Charattelle's detectives that it is in fact Danielle who 327 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 6: has been the instigator in this feud. What supposedly triggered 328 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 6: the feud is what really raised red flags for the detectives. 329 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 6: To Charatte's investigat, feud began when she found out that 330 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 6: Danielle was having an affair with another one of their coworkers. 331 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: Stay with us as a shaken community demands answers and 332 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: detectives draw closer to the truth. 333 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 12: This is the Fatal Attraction podcast. 334 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 3: Danielle Chabaz told detectives investigating her husband's murder that she 335 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: was certain her coworker, to Shara Jackson was responsible. 336 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 4: Danielle and to Shara worked at the post office together, 337 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 4: but over the past month or so they'd been having. 338 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: His few but according to Toshara, Danielle hadn't told detectives 339 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 3: the whole story. 340 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 6: To Sharraville to detectives that Danielle was having an affair. 341 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 7: His name is Rob Barnes. 342 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 6: He works with us at the post office. 343 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 11: That coworker had to be the husband of Tashara's best friend. 344 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: According to Tashara, the feud started because she was not 345 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: happy that Danielle was sleeping with her best friend's husband. 346 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 11: Tashara felt like Danielle was the one who escalated the 347 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 11: entire feud when she took it upon herself to slash 348 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 11: her tires at the nail shop. 349 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: Is that when you drashed her car, I never touched her. 350 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 6: She makes it clear that she would have never attempted 351 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 6: to hurt her and she would not have killed her husband. 352 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: Then who did. 353 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 6: You need to ask Danielle? She is the one who's 354 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 6: been cheating. T Shara is pulling the finger at Danielle, 355 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 6: and Danielle is pulling the finger at t Shara. 356 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: However, if Danielle is having an affair that could give 357 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: her motive to get rid of her husband. 358 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 5: They knew that she didn't pull the trigger because she 359 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 5: have possibly had her lover. 360 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: Due to determine if Tshara is telling the truth, detectives 361 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: pulled Danielle's phone records. 362 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 5: The detectives were able to confirm that she was in 363 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 5: fact having an affair with Rob Barnes. 364 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 11: They find hundreds of very sexually explicit text messages between. 365 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: Danielle and Rob, but as steamy as the affair was. 366 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 3: It didn't appear to be a mere fling. 367 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 6: Danielle and Rob were exchanging I love you text messages. 368 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 4: They potentially want to be together. 369 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 12: Now. 370 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: Could that have led to Sal's murder or did Danielle 371 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: have another reason to get rid of her husband. 372 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 6: When detectives dug into Danielle's past, they found out that 373 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 6: her perfect marriage may have not been so perfect after all. 374 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 11: Records show that Danielle had taken out a protective order 375 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 11: against Sol. Danielle told investigators that Sal had headbutted her 376 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 11: after finding messages between Danielle and another man in. 377 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: Her fault, But when investigators talked to people who knew 378 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: the couple, it sounds more like Danielle might not be 379 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 3: so innocent. 380 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 10: He and Danielle had a very very toxic relationship. 381 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 3: In fact, the problem started well before they were ever married. 382 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 10: For their senior prom, he took another young lady and 383 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 10: Danielle sliced the tires on the car. 384 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 6: It was the same thing that Danielle did to Shara 385 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 6: years later. 386 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: According to Sal's mother, similar incidents occurred throughout the couple's relationship. 387 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: Once she was. 388 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 10: Mad at Soal, she took all his gold to put 389 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 10: him in a pile and poured bleach on him. 390 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: By twenty twenty one, the marriage appeared all but over. 391 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 10: They we're talking about separating, but he did not want 392 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 10: to leave his kids. You used to tell Sal to 393 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 10: make the necessary sacrifices to try to keep his family 394 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 10: together for the sake of his girls. 395 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: But for all of Sal's reasons to stick things out, 396 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: detectives soon learned that Danielle had potentially one big reason 397 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: to want him gone. 398 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 9: Sal had a one hundred and fifty six thousand dollars 399 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 9: life insurance policy. 400 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 4: The beneficiary is Danielle. 401 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 9: If Danielle is having this affair, the motive will be 402 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 9: if I can get rid of my husband collect on 403 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 9: his policy. Me and Rob Barnes got a couple extra dollars. 404 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: But an affair and a six figure insurance policy still 405 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 3: earned enough to prove that Danielle was involved in her 406 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: husband's death. 407 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: Nothing that the officers have is a nail in the coffin, 408 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 5: but a damn sure didn't look good. 409 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 6: It did give detectives a little leverage. 410 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: Though, Armed with what they've learned, detectives bring Danielle in 411 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: for another round of questioning. 412 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 5: They immediately asked Danielle if she had any issues in 413 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: her marriage to Sal, what. 414 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: Do you mean? 415 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 5: She told them they were fine, they were in a 416 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 5: happy marriage. 417 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 9: She also disputes that she was messing around with Rob Barnes. 418 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 6: We're friends, we worked together, that's all. 419 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 9: What she did know is investigators already saw the text messages. 420 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 11: Danielle finally concedes, yes, she was having an affair. 421 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 6: But it's not what you think. 422 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: She insists she had nothing to do with Sale's death. 423 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 11: Danielle tells detectives that she and Sal may not have 424 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 11: had the perfect relationship, but she would have never wanted 425 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 11: to hurt him. 426 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 5: She also informed the officers that she didn't even know 427 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 5: about the life insurance policy until after he was dead. 428 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: Not that her denials do anything to relieve the detective suspicions. 429 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 5: She withheld vital and from Nation. 430 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 9: Still didn't get investigative enough to charge her with anything. 431 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: However, there's also one piece of vital information that detectives 432 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: have withheld from Danielle. 433 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 6: The gunshot residue test that was performed on Danielle during 434 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 6: her first interview came back. 435 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 5: Danielle tested positive for gunshot residue. 436 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 6: Danielle you tested positive for GSR? 437 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 7: How are you gonna explain that? 438 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 12: Stay tuned for four of the Fatal Attraction podcast. 439 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: When detectives investigating her husband's murderers confronted Danielle Chabez about 440 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: the affair she was having with a coworker. The mother 441 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: before admitted that she'd been unfaithful. 442 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 6: While she finally owned up to the affe, she kept 443 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 6: insisting she had nothing to do with her husband's murder. Investigators, Fine, 444 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 6: what Danielle is saying hearts. 445 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: Believe because detectives have recently received results from the gunshot 446 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: residue test they conducted on Danielle just hours after the shooting. 447 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 4: And these results revealed that Danielle did in fact have 448 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: residue on her hands. 449 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 6: When detectives confront Danielle with this information, she is genuinely stunned. 450 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 6: How are you gonna explain that I did not shoot 451 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 6: a gun that night? I swear? 452 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 5: Danielle is like, I have no idea where that came from. 453 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: And based on the evidence, it wasn't Danielle who shot 454 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: Soal four times just inside the couple's front door. 455 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 6: They know that a man kills. 456 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 9: Sal If you go back to that video footage from 457 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 9: the doorbell video. 458 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 8: It definitely was a man. 459 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: Who pulled a trigger, but does that mean Danielle wasn't involved. 460 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 11: Detectives theorized that Danielle may have recruited her lover rob 461 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 11: to do the murder. 462 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 9: And when Danielle and her lover connected at a later point, 463 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 9: that gunshot residue could have been transferred by the holding 464 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 9: of hands or touching something that the trigger man touched. 465 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 3: Could that explain how gunshot residue ended up on Danielle's hands. 466 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 6: That's not the only possible explanation. 467 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: She could have. 468 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 6: Gotten the residue on her hands in an innocent way. 469 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 4: It could have happened when she rode to the police 470 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: station and the police. 471 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 3: Cruiser, which means the gun shot residue alone is not 472 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: enough to make an arrest. 473 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 11: All of that is just a theory rooted in the speculation, 474 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 11: and investigators will have to have more evidence before they 475 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 11: are able to move forward with any murder charges. 476 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: And while Danielle and Robs cell phone records provide plenty 477 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: of evidence of an affair, that's all detectives are able 478 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 3: to find. 479 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 9: They look through their text exchanges and they don't have 480 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 9: any evidence of any back and forth about plotting to 481 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 9: kiell Sell. 482 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 11: Police also found that there was no evidence in their 483 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 11: phone records that had them reaching out to a third 484 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 11: party to hire the hit. 485 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: In fact, the cell phone records appear to exonerate both 486 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: Danielle and her lover. 487 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 11: When detectives pulled their GPS locations at the time of 488 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 11: the murder, they hit a stumbling block. 489 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 6: Rob nor Danielle were even in the area. Based on 490 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 6: the data from the phone records. 491 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 9: She was nowhere closed nor was Robert. 492 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 3: Does that mean Danielle and her lover are innocent as 493 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: it mean they're smart? 494 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 6: Maybe Rob left his phone at home on purpose and 495 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 6: Danielle made that phone call to Sell from the hotel 496 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 6: so the cops couldn't place her at the scene. 497 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: Either way, the detectives are no closer to solving Sal's murder. 498 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 8: They just don't have enough evidence. 499 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 5: They didn't have a choice of event will continue with 500 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 5: the investigation. 501 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 3: So detectives decide to take a second look at to 502 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: Shara Jackson, the coworker Danielle named as Sal's killer. 503 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 6: Just the ruler out, The detectives pulled to Shara cell 504 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 6: phone records. 505 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: Although instead of ruling to Shara out, the detectives make 506 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: a surprising discovery. 507 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 9: GPS evidence puts to Shara in close proximity to the 508 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 9: scene of the killing at the time of the killing. 509 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: The records don't put her at the scene of the crime, 510 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: but the reason why also arounds this suspicion. 511 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 6: Tashara's phone was turned off only moments before the. 512 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 4: Murder wasn't turned back on until several hours after. 513 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 11: This is a stunning revelation for police. Maybe Danielle was 514 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 11: right from the beginning, and to Shara did have something 515 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 11: to do with Sal's murder. 516 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: However, there is still one piece of the puzzle missing. 517 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 6: They know that Sao was shot by a man. 518 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 11: She must have been waiting in the car when it happened, 519 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 11: but who could it have been that got out of 520 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 11: the car and actually pulled the trigger. 521 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: Digging through to Shara's phone records, the detective soon come 522 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: up with a possible answer. 523 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 11: And the weeks leading up to the murder Tshara had 524 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 11: been communicating regularly with another man who also worked at 525 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 11: the post office. 526 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: His name is Jeremy Petway. 527 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 5: And they weren't talking about mail. They were having an affair. 528 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 6: Which is Wild considering Danielle's workplace affair is what started 529 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 6: the feud with Tashara. 530 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 10: All these people sleeping around what they had going on 531 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 10: in that post office. 532 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: Based on the text messages, to Shara's affair with Jeremy 533 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: was just as hot and heavy as Danielle's tryst with Rob. 534 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 11: New photos had been sent and the conversation even included 535 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 11: how good their sex was. They also discussed leaving their 536 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 11: partners and being together. 537 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 3: And much more important for detectives, That's not all the 538 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: lovers discussed. 539 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 5: There are text messages where to Shara is telling mister 540 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 5: Petway that she appreciates him looking out for her. 541 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 6: Jeremy texts back that he was the protector. 542 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 9: They have this extra change about being Bonnie and Clyde. 543 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: Stay tuned as more of the truth starts to slip 544 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: through the cracks. 545 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 12: This is the Fatal Attraction Podcast. 546 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 3: Detectives investigating the murder of thirty nine year old sal 547 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: Schabez were all but convinced that his wife, Danielle, was 548 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: behind his death, but new information has just turned the 549 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: case on its head. 550 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 6: Cell Phone records put Danielle's co worker to Shara Jackson 551 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 6: and to Shara's lover, Jeremy Pepwa near the scene where 552 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 6: the murder occurred. 553 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 3: Danielle had been pointing the fingerer to Shara from the beginning. 554 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 5: She and this coworker had some sort of a feud 555 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 5: or rivalry. Based on to Shara and Jeremy's text, Danielle 556 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 5: was right about to Shara all alone. 557 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 11: Although to Shara and Jeremy do not openly admit to 558 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 11: killing sal Shabbaz, the implications are clear. In the days 559 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 11: following the shooting, to Shara told Jeremy, you didn't hesitate. 560 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 5: And he calls them Fannie and Clyde. 561 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 6: To detectives, it is clear that they are gloating about 562 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 6: their crime. 563 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: And one of Jeremy's last text messages leaves little doubt 564 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: they're responsible for Sale's death. 565 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 9: Jeremy tells to Shara, I gave the gun to one 566 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 9: of our friends at work. 567 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 6: Detectives assumed their texting about the murder. 568 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 3: Weapon Investigators quickly follow up on what they've learned from 569 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 3: the phone records. 570 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 6: Investigators got a warrant to search the home of the 571 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 6: friend that Jeremy mentioned in the text message, Please. 572 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 8: Show up to this person's house. 573 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: Who else is in the house with them. 574 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 8: And as luck would have it, Jeremy is also there. 575 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 6: Jeremy, step outside, You're under arrest. 576 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: Chans behind your back. 577 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 3: The police placed Jeremy under arrest and search the house. 578 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 6: Upstairs under the friend's bed, detectives find the handgun. 579 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 5: The officers send the gun straight to ballistics to be tested, 580 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 5: and when the results came back, it was indeed the 581 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 5: weapon that was used to kill South. 582 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 9: It's just slam dumb in the mind of the investigators. 583 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 3: Detectives also take to Shara into custody. 584 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 6: She asks for an attorney and refuses to make a statement, and. 585 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 11: At the police station, Jeremy insists that the only relationship 586 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 11: they have is as coworkers. 587 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: But Jeremy's denials into Shara's silence do little to deter 588 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 3: the detectives. 589 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 6: Even without the confessions, police are ready to charge them 590 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 6: with first degree murder. 591 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 10: Newport News police did the job, and they did it well. 592 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 6: Despite everyone suspecting Danielle, the arrest couldn't have happened without her. 593 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 10: She was a big killed because she was on the 594 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 10: phone when it all happened. 595 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 6: She was also the person to first put the police 596 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 6: onto Tashara. 597 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 3: But When Tashara Jackson goes on trial in March of 598 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, it's also clear that her feud with 599 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: Danielle led directly to sales death. 600 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 5: All of this started with Tashara not being happy about 601 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 5: Danielle having an affair with her best friend's husband. 602 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 6: The disagreement escalated when Tashara and Danielle got into the 603 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 6: argument in front of the nail salon. Danielle slashed to 604 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 6: Shara's tires to retaliate, to Shara vandalize Danielle's car. 605 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 3: And things only escalated from there. 606 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 6: That led to the beatdown that Danielle gave to Shara 607 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 6: in the restaurant parking lot. 608 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 3: For to Shara, it was the last straw. 609 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 6: She wanted to endi feud once and for all. 610 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 9: Prosecutors lay out how after that altercation at the restaurant, 611 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 9: to Shara calls her friend Jeremy, now. 612 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 3: We need to get this girl. 613 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 7: We're gonna get her. 614 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 9: That begins the murder plot that ultimately ends in the 615 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 9: death of Sale. 616 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 3: Just bring the car, bring the gun, and early on 617 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: the morning of April seventh, just hours after the parking 618 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 3: lot showdown, to Shara and Jeremy set their plan in motion. 619 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 6: Using their phone records, prosecutors were able to show that 620 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 6: Jeremy went to pick to Charla up. 621 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 3: Then as they neared Danielle and Sal's house, Jeremy and 622 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 3: Tashara turned off their phones. 623 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 9: She turns her cellphone off, not realizing that investigators can 624 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 9: go back and see that you turned it off just 625 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 9: before this man got killed. 626 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 3: But the neighbor's doorbell cam captured what happened. 627 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 6: Next, Jeremy got out of the car and went up 628 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 6: to Danielle in Sal's front door. 629 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 10: They intended to shoot her, but they didn't know she 630 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 10: wasn't at home. 631 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 11: They had no idea that Danielle had taken the children 632 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 11: to the hotel. 633 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 3: So instead it was Sal who answered the door. 634 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 8: Yeah, I heard you got a problem with the sorrow 635 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 8: and we know what happened. 636 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? 637 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 7: I don't even worry anybody. 638 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 9: Sal had and Yale answered the door, she would have 639 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 9: been the one who was killed. 640 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 3: Then Jeremy ditched the gun with her friend, and when 641 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 3: detectives brought her in for questioning, to sharra use the 642 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 3: affair to turn suspicion towards Danielle. 643 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: Then, who did you. 644 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 6: Need to ask Danielle, she is the one who's been cheating. 645 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 3: They thought they had it all figured out, but the 646 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 3: defense can't explain away to Shara's phone records. 647 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 6: With the text messages, there's no doubt left that this 648 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 6: is what happened. 649 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 5: Even though they did not have confessions, they did not 650 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 5: have eyewitnesses, they had enough evidence that when you put 651 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 5: it all together and painted one very ugly picture. 652 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 3: Would it be enough to convince the jury. 653 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 11: The jury finds to Shara guilty after less than an 654 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 11: hour of deliberation. 655 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 3: Jeremy meets the same fate. 656 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 6: Jeremy is convicted following his own trial, they were both 657 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 6: sentenced to thirty nine years in prison. 658 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 8: To Charlotte Laurier's trying to argue the fact. 659 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 10: That, well, since he pulled the trigger, maybe we can 660 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 10: get her less time to just said nope, she. 661 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 8: Gonna get the same time as he got. 662 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 5: And even though the family of the deceased wanted life 663 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 5: without parole, they were satisfied with the verdict. 664 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 10: I think about the number of families that don't get justice. 665 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 8: I'll take thirty nine years. 666 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 3: It's better than nothing, But no amount of time can 667 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 3: make up for the injustice done to Saladean Shabbez. 668 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 5: This was a man who served his country. This was 669 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 5: a man who was married to the love of his life. 670 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 5: And even though they had issues and problems, the thing 671 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 5: that should have ended their marriage was divorced, not death. 672 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 10: The pain of losing my child would never go away. 673 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 10: You mourn for that for the rest of your life. 674 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 10: But just because he's going out of this earth, don't 675 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 10: mean he gone, because. 676 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 2: He's with me. In the blink of an eye, a 677 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 2: vibrant life has been extinguished, leaving a family forever altered, 678 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: grappling with a profound void left in the wake of 679 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: their loss. 680 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: Sal Shabbaz, an army, veteran and devoted father who embodied 681 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: strength and resilience, was a source of solace and inspiration 682 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: for me. 683 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 12: His presence is. 684 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 2: Deeply missed and will live on in the hearts of all. 685 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: Coming up on the next episode of the Fatal Attraction podcast. 686 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 3: They were a young couple staying true to themselves, she. 687 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 6: And who she was despite what society may have said. 688 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 6: He loved her. She felt so secure in their relationship. 689 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: Until they suddenly disappeared. 690 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 6: Their friends hadn't heard from them, been calling them and 691 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 6: no one was answering. 692 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: A talented fashion icon in Metarie, Louisiana, just outside of 693 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: New Orleans, known for her creativity and strong principles, is 694 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: building a life filled with promise. 695 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 12: While pursuing her education. 696 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: But everything takes a sudden turn when she and her 697 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: partner mysteriously disappears. 698 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: What happened and what happens when love becomes fatal? 699 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: Tune in to the next episode of the Fatal Attraction podcast. 700 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: We will see you in the next episode.