1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. The fraud in Minnesota is very, very real. 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: This issue is massive and turns into billions of dollars. 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: And of course the focus is going to be on 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Somali Smallly nationals, those involved, and whether or not there 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: is a compatibility with Western civilization, something that I've discussed repeatedly, 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be here, Good 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: to be with you. But shouldn't we be looking at 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: whether or not other states are engaged in this fraud, 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: even if they don't know it. I mean, shouldn't this 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: be job number one? Hey? If this is happening in Minnesota, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: could this be happening in other places? To me, that's 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of everything. Governor Mike Brawn joins me right now. 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: He is the governor of Indiana, that is my state, 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: and I saw you you're there on Fox News. Red 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: state governor touts medicaid savings as Minnesota grapples with widespread 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: fraud allegations. Now, there have been issues here in the 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: state of Indiana with not having the money. There was 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: a we're going to have a shortfall over here on 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: other budget issues, and that led to attacks on cigars, 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: which you know that I vehemently opposed and thought it 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: was all sorts of wrong, sir, And I'll yell about 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: you at you about that later, But let's start with 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: what you're seeing in Minnesota, what it is that has 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: been exposed, What did you do when you first heard 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: this story, and what is the plan to make sure 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: that kind of fraud isn't happening in Indiana, and what 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: should other governors be doing? 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: Well, Tony, it didn't surprise me other than the magnitude 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: of it, and mostly because of the six years I 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: spent in the Senate on the Budget Committee. I was 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, and also the Aging Committee, 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: which did a lot of investigative work about just. 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: The kind of stuff you're talking about. 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: I remember, and I did mention it on Fox when 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: like just hundred three percent of all the checks that 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: are written by the federal government or either to the 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: wrong payee or for the wrong amount or both. It 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: is so rampant there, and any state that buyes in 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: and wants to scale things like Medicaid, which were intended 41 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: for the people that really were hurting to find healthcare, 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: couldn't afford insurance, you know, fell into the cracks. It's 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: been so abused, it's been run so poorly. You can 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: actually see something like that amazed me. 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: A guy like. 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: Tim Walls obviously has zero interest in running his agencies efficiently. 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: When I came back to run for governor, it was 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: with that intent, and I think we did that by 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: reorganizing state government. And then we started digging into all 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: of the agencies that even in a state like Indiana, 51 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: when you bloated it with all the federal borrowed and 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: spent COVID money, there's sloppiness in there. And we found 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: already a lot of savings. This is just something of 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: the magnitude. It's hard to imagine it's but it happened. 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: If you were going to describe it, sir, what is it? 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Is it the standard operating procedure of government to not 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: run properly? Or you spent years in the private sector 58 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: building your business in a place called Jasper, Indiana in 59 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: the world of automotive parts things like that. Is this 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: in your view? Was this proactive? Is this in your 61 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: view proactive fraud? Or is this just what happens in government. 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: So it was proactive fraud by the fraudsters. But due 63 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: to the fact that the government, and here's the main 64 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: difference between the real world, there's no competition. Your revenues 65 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: are given to you. So the people that run it 66 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Tony have generally pivoted into politics right out of law school, 67 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: and they are the ones that have never had an 68 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: interest in how you manage things, how you get the 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: best results from it. Obviously, it's a broken healthcare system. 70 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: I described private healthcare as an unregulated utility. I fixed 71 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: that in my own business seventeen years ago. It's a 72 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: whole nother discussion. But when you have money that is 73 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 2: so easily accessed, especially the spendings free that occurred through 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: COVID in the Biden administration, doing the Cares Act was 75 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: bad enough because that was an overreaction, But then all 76 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: of this is a result of they want the benefits, 77 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: they have zero interest in managing it, and then it's 78 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: a fertile field for this. This amazed me because Minnesota 79 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: is I think a smaller state than we are, run 80 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: blue like Illinois, California and New York, you know, mimicking 81 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: the federal government. The amount of fraud and waste that 82 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: eyewitness in six years and could get no interest. On 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: the other side, I mean, it's their growth business, and 84 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: they worship it like a cathedral, and they run it 85 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: in a way that is going to probably run it 86 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: into the ditch. And we're seeing those results. You know, 87 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: on a bigger scale, two trillion dollar deficits annually, but 88 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: we're virtually now. 89 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: It's by the way, population of Minnesota is five point 90 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: eight million via online check. Talking to the governor of Indiana, 91 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Mike Brown, former senator from Indiana, I want to go 92 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: back to really this fundamental here because no one should 93 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: think that this is happening just in Minnesota. If there 94 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: are those within state governments who come out of law 95 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: schools us utilizing your words, the ideology is built in, 96 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: so therefore they're looking the other way takes place. I 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: often argue that what we see from socialism is not 98 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: a bug, it's a feature. When you put bad people 99 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: in the wrong position, they'll look the other way. They'll 100 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: allow the bad things to take place. And that seems 101 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: to be a lot of what happened here in Minnesota. 102 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: How do you ensure you talk about digging into state 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: government here in Indiana, and this is a conversation about 104 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: other states as well. How do you make sure what 105 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: actions have you taken in the state of Indiana, and 106 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: what actions do you think governors should take to be 107 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: looking into this exact issue about waste, fraud and serious 108 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: abuse with Medicare Medicaid. 109 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: Though there's a lot of low hanging fruit when we 110 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: got here and over and especially through the COVID period. 111 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: In the last decade, Indiana's Medicaid spending increased by one 112 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five percent. That's probably average. They lured 113 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: you in with paying for most of it. But when 114 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: stuff is nearly free and you're lured in by it, 115 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's going to be run well and 116 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: you're not going to find stuff. Here's what we found 117 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: out of the gate. We found over ten thousand people 118 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: I think the figure was in Indiana that should. 119 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: Have been on medicare not on Medicaid. They didn't even get. 120 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: Switched over at the appropriate time that would have eliminated 121 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: that burden very simple. We found that they were double 122 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: dipping in some cases where you had people actually getting 123 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: Medicaid benefits out of multiple states. We had a very 124 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: renowned program that people moved into the state for ABA therapy, 125 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: which treats autistic children. But we were like advertising it 126 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: and then we let benefits go way beyond sustainability. We 127 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: pulled all that stuff back and as a result, we're 128 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: going to be spending roughly twelve percent less. We're going 129 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: to focus on the people that need it, and we're 130 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: just getting started. Because that's such a big program that 131 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: we're going to find more as we go along. And 132 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: I was surprised even in a state like ours, it 133 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: is relatively well run compared to blue states. Can't imagine 134 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: how things got off the wagon during COVID. We're bringing 135 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: it all back on and we're going to be saving 136 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: a ton of money well this over the next several years. 137 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: Talking to the Governor of Indiana, Mike Braun, this is 138 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: the same conversation in terms of how you deal with 139 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: the response and the reaction that Democrats are trying to 140 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: push upon Republicans. As we come to the end of 141 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: the year, there is no extension of those Obamacare subsidies 142 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: that Democrats have voted in. They voted to have expired 143 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: the end of this year, end of twenty twenty five, 144 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: and you're going to hear, well, you're raising healthcare costs 145 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: on the American people. And when you talk about reining 146 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: in certain levels of this spending, when you talk about 147 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: how we're going to eliminate some levels of waste and 148 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: take a look and make some cuts, what you're going 149 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: to hear is Okay, here you are, Governor Mike Braun 150 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: allowing children to starve or allowing elderly not to get care. 151 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: How do you respond to that? How do you think 152 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: others should. 153 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 3: So when it comes to that and their. 154 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 2: Unbelievable attempt to take over the affordability issue, and you 155 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: know Biden gave us twenty two to twenty three percent 156 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: over those last three years, I think that is something 157 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: that we got to. 158 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: Get better at. We're flat footed on it. 159 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: But when it comes to this full idea of Democrats 160 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: having any interest in running government more efficiently. 161 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: It's just not there. 162 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: They, for instance, on healthcare, have never been interested in 163 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: tackling pharma, big hospitals, insurance. That's what I did in 164 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: my own business seventeen years ago, became the insurance company 165 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: because the margin was so thick, and then based it 166 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: on wellness and prevention. Tony not expensive remediation. Dems don't care. 167 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: They just want more of it without ever getting to 168 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: the bottom of it. I'm going to try some of 169 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: those things here in our own state employee plan to 170 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: make there's some scan in the game so you're not 171 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: constantly defaulting to having no interest in what the cost is. 172 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: Having some scan in the game, it can be fixed. 173 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: But when you're just willing to borrow and spend more 174 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: money because you're only worried about the benefits, that is 175 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: where you hit the ditch hard. That's why you have 176 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: two trillion dollars in now structural deficits, a lot of 177 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: it related to healthcare. 178 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: But I'm going to go back just a little bit. 179 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: Here's Governor Tim Walls, the former vice presidential candidate, and 180 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: you can imagine how little of a fan I was 181 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: of him as a vice presidential candidate, never mind as 182 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: a governor. This fraud has been taking place. He is 183 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: touting giving more and more money to people here legally, 184 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: people who can't afford this, people who can't afford that. 185 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: You're seeing more and more and more people that Minnesota 186 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: wants to take care of. You see the abuse that 187 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: has taking place, possibly into the billions of dollars, And 188 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: there's a real question, although there's some reports that some 189 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: payments have been stopped and some internal investigations have taken place, 190 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: what kind of real investigation, what kind of real stoppage 191 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: of these plans is going to happen because politically, people 192 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: are going to say, well, it's just the political right 193 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: attacking Somali's So two questions. First, what is there a 194 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: specific plan in the state of Indiana that you think 195 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: other red state governors should implement into looking into ensuring 196 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: that this fraud of fake childcare centers or fake home 197 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: healthcare centers, etc. Isn't happening. And what do you believe 198 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: should be the pressure put on Governor Walls regarding dealing 199 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: with the criminal activity that has taken place, possibly with 200 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: the wink in the nod. And when I say possibly, 201 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean for me personally, very probably with the wink 202 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: and the nod of the political left in the state 203 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: of Minnesota. 204 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: So his main issue is, even though the Democrats really 205 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: don't worry about any of this we've been talking about 206 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: until they're in a corner, Senator Ron Johnson is going 207 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: to do subpoenas to get to the bottom of it. 208 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: You're going to have guys like Rick Scott from Florida 209 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: who turned a purple blue state that was in the 210 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: red financially ten twelve years ago into something that works 211 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: costs half of what it costs in New York. They're 212 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: not going to get by with this. This reached such 213 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: a profile and Tim Walls, I don't know if he 214 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: survives or not. That's up to Minnesotan's but if they 215 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: want to be kind of the poster child for what 216 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: government looks like when it's abused and doesn't work, emblematic 217 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: of many of the blue states. The federal government, for sure. 218 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: Some of that issue is with Republicans that have not 219 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: held firm on fiscal responsibility, the appropriators and the neo 220 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: cons there. 221 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: I've talked about that before. 222 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: You're not going to get by with it because as 223 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: they're going to come at you, it gets worse for him. 224 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: This doesn't go away. 225 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: In states like ours, we're doing eligibility checks. We're making 226 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: sure if you're on Medicaid, you just don't stay on 227 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: it without someone checking in every three months to see 228 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: if something has changed. Three forty B pharmacy scam, where 229 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: pharmacies can get actually very very low costs if you're 230 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: on it, and then you jack it up and take 231 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: full markup. You know, the pharmacide's got a lot of 232 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: abuse in it. Do a pretty good job making the pill, 233 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: but PBMs and stuff like three forty b have got 234 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: to go, and there's no transparency on any of this stuff. 235 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: That's all going to be on steroids here in Indiana, 236 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: I think in other red states and in blue states 237 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: if they don't want to be in the laughingstock category 238 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: of what Minnesota is currently in. 239 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, Governor Mike Brown of Indiana 240 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: and mentioning a PBMs pharmacy benefit managers, there's a really 241 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: deep detailed conversation and that will do that another time. 242 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, redistricting fails in the state 243 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: of Indiana. I was in favor of redistracting, and I've 244 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: argued so you know, I never lie to you. I 245 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: don't lie to anybody. I think with this was poorly 246 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: rolled out from the beginning. I think this was something 247 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: that should have had much more clarity and much more focus, 248 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and I don't believe that it was there. Then there 249 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: was the conversation of people being primary to that maybe 250 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: not being primaried. What do you believe is the resultant 251 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: of not passing redistricting in the state of Indiana. Are 252 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: we about to see a state that fails to do 253 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: what the president wants lose federal funding. 254 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: Don't think so. 255 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: My relationship, the state's relationship with the administration prior to 256 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: that was, if not the best, one of the best 257 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: in the country. I think when leadership decided to die 258 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: on that hill, when eighty percent of Republicans and conservatives 259 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: not to mention our congressional delegation, not to mention every 260 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: other state even if they didn't want to do it, 261 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: and who knows how it all works through the courts, 262 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: I think that was, you know, putting your thumb in 263 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: the face of the administration most Republicans and Conservatives in 264 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: the state. I think that'll be something for the Senate leadership, 265 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: especially to figure out how that plays out. And all 266 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: I can tell you is when I came in, they 267 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: give you Senate Bill One, which was supposed to be 268 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: some significant property tax reform, gutted it completely. We did 269 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: call back, mostly through the House's efforts to give reasonable reform, 270 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: not what many of us wanted, but it's indicative they 271 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: threw cold water on healthcare reform. 272 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: All that got watered down. 273 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: It was like pulling teeth to get with them on 274 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: doing anything that was going to distinguish as the state. 275 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: This to me was a little bit similar to that. 276 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: We'll still get stuff done. The low hanging fruit will 277 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: pick a reorganized state government. We're running it so much 278 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: more efficiently. Want to end with this on my end, 279 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: we just got pouted as the strongest economy in the 280 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Midwest GDP growing at twice the rate of Illinois and Ohio, 281 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: three times Kentucky, six times that of Michigan, and already 282 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: on the IEDC. We're incentivizing jobs, spending one third what 283 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: the prior administration did, and we're getting wages raised from 284 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: thirty six to forty one bucks. 285 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: Kind of all under the radar. 286 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: Shaping up our state agencies, doing what I can through 287 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: the executive branch. I'd ask the Senate to be a little. 288 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: Bit more. 289 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Energized forthcoming on policy stuff, healthcare, all the. 290 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: Things we've been talking about. 291 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: That is a pivot from what happened with through districting 292 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: to look how much we're pay and people, sir. That 293 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: was that was professionally done, but we're gonna I don't 294 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: think we're done with the redistricting conversation by longshot Governor 295 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: Mike Brown, the governor of Indiana. I appreciate you taking 296 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: the time to be with us. More coming up. I'm 297 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today. 298 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 4: You know, I have no problem with it, don't anticipate it. 299 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 4: Would like to get the deal done and not necessarily 300 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 4: have to go. I've offered to go and speak to 301 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: their parliament, and you know, if that would help. I 302 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: don't know that would help. I think it would probably help, 303 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: but I don't even know. 304 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: If that's so welcome. 305 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I know it so I'm not sure that 306 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: it would be really necessary. But if it would help 307 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 4: save twenty five thousand lives a month or whatever it 308 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: may be, I would certainly be willing. 309 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: To do that. 310 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, they want you in Ukraine, mister president. What else 311 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: was vatimers Lensky gonna say? He shows up tomorrow? Logo 312 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: on Sunday, And once again we're talking about the possibility 313 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: of peace. Difference here if we're going to argue there 314 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: is one is that Zelenski knows he's given up Land. 315 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: This is over Tony Katz, Tony Kats today. Good to 316 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: be here, Good to be with you, Good to be back. Everybody. 317 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Find everything at Tony kats dot com. He's giving up land. 318 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: The issue is is that what the Russians have decided 319 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: is that the Americans are not gonna come to their aid. 320 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: Europe is not going to put troops on the ground. 321 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: We want everything, and we're not gonna stop killing these 322 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: people until we get everything. And since you won't fight us, 323 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep killing these people until we get everything. 324 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: That's what's happening. That's the Russian calculus. But all this 325 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: talk from President Trump, you know, Putin is very sympathetic 326 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: to Ukrainians and wants the Ukrainians to do well. Just 327 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: stop it. It's just silly. It's nonsense. We don't need 328 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: to hear it. If those platitudes work, you know in 329 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: the private conversations, do them. But you make yourself look 330 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: silly when you engage those things. Mister President, again, we're 331 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: talking about a piece deal. Listen, I don't know what's 332 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen. 333 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine must realize that they are out of options, because 334 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: they're accepting of a whole bunch of things. Where that 335 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: final border is going to be wherever it is, the 336 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Russians will want another two feet because that's the Russian way. 337 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: So no, this ain't over. Meanwhile, Russia continues to bomb, 338 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: bombing directly on Kiev, and this goes on, and Russia's 339 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: getting rewarded for the attack, and we need to discuss 340 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: what that means. 341 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: For the future. 342 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: Keep it here. 343 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. Dear lord, did the Wall 344 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: Street Journal, butcher this Tony Katz. Tony Katz today got 345 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: three more things for you, stories nobody else is talking about, 346 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: and that I think have to be in the mix. 347 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: It was the Wall Street Journal, which, look, sometimes they 348 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: do the job. Sometimes they say, hey, look, here's Trump 349 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: drawing a picture to Jeffrey Epstein that's meant to look 350 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: like a naked woman. Stop it. You all sound crazy crazy, 351 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: The desire, the desperation to tie Trump to Epstein. Of 352 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: course Trump knew Epstein. Of course there's photos of him. 353 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: There's no proof Trump was on the island. There's no 354 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: proof Trump did anything inappropriate with anybody underage, And it 355 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: very much doesn't seem like his style in the slightest. 356 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: But if you hate Trump, all you're gonna scream is 357 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: Trump pedophile. I mean, you're downplaying what happened because you 358 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: hate Trump so much you can't get out of your 359 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: own way. As we often discuss, guys hate rots the brain. 360 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: These people are broken and if you want to see broken, 361 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: just check out my social media feed anytime. They hate 362 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: the vitriol. Now we're just into the hey, we want 363 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: you dead. One of the big ones is meet Ashley 364 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: Babbit like that is sincerely messed up. And you gotta 365 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: wonder whether they're saying I hope you die or I 366 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: want to kill you because that's what's now coming my way. Now, 367 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Stop? No, no, no, no, no 368 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: no no. I'm here. We're in this together. We're not 369 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: stopping for anything. These people are dangerous, though I'm fully 370 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: aware of them. But this is where the Wall Street 371 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: Journal missed greatly. The headline is Iran eases social rules 372 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: amid crises, but crushes descent. Iran eases social rules. What 373 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: possibly is this about women not wearing hitjobs? Well, there 374 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: have been lots of moments where women are trying to 375 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: fight back. Against the repressive regime of the Ayatola, of 376 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: the Mullas, the hardliners, the clerics, and saying we're not 377 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna wear this, We're not gonna wear that, and those 378 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: women often get killed. But when you read the headline, 379 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: Iran eases social rules amid crises. If a crushes descent, 380 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: it would make you think, Okay, they're not paying attention 381 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: so much to these things that they used to regarding 382 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: religious fundamentalism. But if there is a protest, they put 383 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: an end to the protest. No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 384 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: no no. Let's go into the story right first paragraph, 385 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: live music is blaring on the streets of Tehran, women 386 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: are ditching their mandatory hit jobs, and young people are 387 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: dancing in cafes as authorities allow a degree of social freedom, 388 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: freedom not seen since the Islamic Revolution of nineteen seventy 389 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: nine the second paragraph. At the same time, however, the 390 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: government is carrying out a widespread crackdown on dissidents and 391 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: has executed more people this year than in nearly four decades. Oh, 392 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: that's what you mean by crushes descent. Hey, they're dancing 393 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: in the cafes when they're not being Killednumber of executions 394 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: as reported carried out in Iran, surging to over eighteen 395 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy people executed in Iran twenty twenty five, 396 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: twice as many as last year. I'm sorry, last year 397 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: they executed nine hundred people and we were like, hey, 398 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: way to slow it down. Guys, who in the hell 399 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: would ever be on the side of the Iranians? Yeah, 400 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: Israel's your problem, because it's always, of course bringing it 401 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 1: back to Israel. Look who they are, look at what 402 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: they do. Why in the hell would you want to 403 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: live with these people, coexist with these people. I read 404 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: this story and I'm like, you know what, who's got 405 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: a point? These people cannot be reasoned with or dealt with. 406 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: This entire regime has to go. Make Iran Persia again, 407 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: a story no one is talking about. By the way, Tehran, 408 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: which the capital of Iran, running out of water. Power 409 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: shortages are happening everywhere. Economic crisis because of the inflation, 410 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: the the what do you call the sanctions and everything else. Yeah, yeah, 411 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: So what's the answer. We'll let the people dance a 412 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: little bit and they won't notice their life sucks. The 413 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: issue is is that Persians or Anians have always noticed 414 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: that their life sucks. They just can't do anything about it. 415 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: They need some help and just like you know, it's 416 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: just it's the Ukraine conversation all over again. Do we 417 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: want to be the people who help? And how do 418 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: we want to help? That's it. These are the only questions. 419 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: And if we don't, what happens if somebody else does? 420 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: Which is I mean gonna I'm gonna get yelled at 421 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: for Tony, are you promoting a neo con foreign policy? 422 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Coming back? And I'm gonna say to the answer is, 423 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm promoting it. I am asking 424 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: now that we haven't done it, like for example, in Ukraine, 425 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: what is the result and do we like it? If 426 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: we don't do in Iran, what is the result and 427 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: will we like it? So the people who just you know, 428 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: crap all over the neok thing, Okay, yeah, yeah, sure, great, fine, 429 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: But now now we see the result of not being 430 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: involved this way or that way or the other way. 431 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Are we good or not good with it? I think 432 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: that's isn't that logical? It wouldn't that be part of 433 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: the testing. We didn't do it this way, we did 434 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: it the other way. 435 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: We didn't do it. 436 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: You know, I was not gaybe testing. I'm not even 437 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: sure if that's the best example. We didn't do it 438 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: this way, we did it another way. Now doing it 439 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: the other way, it didn't work out better for us, 440 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: And it's a rational question to ask. In Los Angeles, 441 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Times reporting that the authors of the fire 442 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: report from the LAFD about the Palisades fire, you know, 443 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: the one that took all the homes that California does 444 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: not allow us to be rebuilt. They're not allowing any 445 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: rebuilding in California. These people are awful. Oh, Gavin Newsom 446 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: is a low life. Karen Bass a low life. They're 447 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: not going to allow these people to rebuild. No, no, no, no, no, 448 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: you lose your place for forever. Sorry, sucker. Your land 449 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: is not yours. And of course they allowed the fire 450 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: to happen, They allowed the fire to grow. They weren't. 451 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: They didn't have anybody in place who could actually do anything. 452 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: That an inept fire leadership that was hired much more 453 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: on DEI than they were on anything else. Oh, people 454 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: are gonna yell at me. How dare you sorry? It's 455 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: just factual. It's factual. You hired incompetent people. The same 456 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: thing happened in Hawaii for Leahina. You have ye high 457 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: you hire incompetence because you hire a progressive code and 458 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: not to merit, and you will get garbage proving that 459 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: this DEI, this wokeness, it's it's the the the terrible 460 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: outcome is not a bug, it's a feature. It's the 461 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: only thing that can come. Well. The people we are 462 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: professionals did a report and they were like a lot 463 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: of people to blame a lot of things to blame 464 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: in these fires that killed twelve people, the thousands of 465 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: homes destroyed, and what happened. The authors are now saying, yeah, 466 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: we can't be a part of this. Battalion Chief Kenneth 467 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: Cook emailing the fire chief and other LAFD officials, saying, 468 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: having reviewed the revised version submitted by your office, I 469 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: must respectfully decline to endorse it in its current form. 470 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: The document has undergone substantial modifications. It contained significant deletions 471 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: of information that in some instances alter the conclusions originally presented. Translation, 472 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: here's the report leadership of everything that went wrong in 473 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: the Palisades fires and who is to blame? And the 474 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: leadership said Oh, well, we can't blame these people. Oh, 475 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: we can't blame those people. Oh no, what good called 476 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: so oh no, we'll get called sexist. Own, No, we'll 477 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: get sued. Let's uh, let's just change the whole report around, 478 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: and basically the thrust of the report will be oopsie 479 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: and that'll be it. They watered you. You have seen 480 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: this so many times, and in so many ways, and 481 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: in so many places, you're not even surprised. They're so 482 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: blatant and bold about it. They rewrote the report the 483 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: after action review. They rewrote it, and so Ken Cook, 484 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: who's the battalion chief who is the author of the report, 485 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: said yeah, I can't endorse this. No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 486 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: no no. I strongly urge you, he wrote, to reconsider 487 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: publishing the report as it stands. I recommend that we 488 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: reconvene with the City Attorney's office to review their notes 489 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: and collaboratively, collaboratively finalize the version of that up holds 490 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: both accuracy and professionalism. Lastly, as the liaison to the 491 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: Governor's process, which is independently compiling the same information, I 492 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: am concerned that substantial disparities may exist between the two reports. 493 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: The Governor's Report is currently in the publishing phase and 494 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: is expected to be released later this month. I recommend 495 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: utilizing that report as a reference, as it will provide 496 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: an objective and unbiased accounts. Translation, Guys, I did this 497 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: over here too, and they're gonna publish the report and 498 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna look like total morons. Don't look like morons, 499 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: and don't make me look like a moron. I'm not 500 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: gonna sign on to that. How much does the left 501 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: hate you? In every way? They will lie to you 502 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: anyway they can to somehow keep power. They will lie. 503 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: They will blame the fires on Trump, They'll blame the 504 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: fires on white men. They'll blame the fires on the environment. 505 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: They're gonna do all the things. By the way, did 506 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: you just say, Tony, they're going to blame the fires 507 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: on white men. Well yeah, they're absolutely one thousand percent 508 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: gonna blame the fires on white men. I hate old 509 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: white men. See I was done doing it right there. 510 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: No one is shocked, you know what it is. I mean, 511 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: they're just gonna blame anything except their own incompetence, their 512 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: own failures. No one's going to take responsibility, no one. 513 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: It will all be someone else's fault. These people are 514 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: just terrible. And then there's Scott Beson not terrible, and 515 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Scott Bessont is now telling everybody get ready for the 516 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: giant refund that is coming your way. 517 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 5: Oh working Americans. I also had the honor of being 518 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 5: the IRS commissioner, and I can see that we're going 519 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 5: to have a gigantic refund here in the first quarter 520 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 5: because no one changed their working Americans did not change 521 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 5: they're withholding. So I think households could see, depending on 522 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 5: the number of workers one thousand and two thousand dollars refunds, 523 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 5: they will change their withholding schedule at the beginning of 524 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 5: the year and they will get an automatic increase in 525 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 5: real wages. So I think that's going to be a 526 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 5: very I think that's going to be a very powerful 527 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 5: combo of corporate and individuals. 528 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Now, I hope that's the case. But what Besent is 529 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: doing is exactly what we said to do. You got 530 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: to start discussing, Hey, the economy is getting better. Hey 531 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: we've done this. Hey we're doing that. Hey we're about 532 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: to do this. And when the new year comes and 533 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: when this happens, here's what you'll see. And when that happens. 534 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: Here's what you'll see. And when this you got to 535 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: get people in the fight with you. You got to 536 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: get them excited about what's coming. Here's what we've done, 537 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: and here's why it matters. You got to sell it 538 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: Withn't that exactly what we said? And I said it 539 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: to Sean Spicer and then Steve Bannon played it for 540 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: Scott Besson called me a stock Republican because I said, 541 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm not putting this on the consultant class. I'm putting 542 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: it on Bessent. Hell, yes, putting it on the whole 543 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: damn administration. Some consultant said, don't do X, Y or 544 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: Z or say a B and C. Why would you 545 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: listen to a consultant. You're Scott Besont. You don't have 546 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: to listen to anybody. You know what you're doing. You're 547 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: a crazy, bright dude. So go out there and sell 548 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: and engage the messaging. And the president is doing this now. 549 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: I would love to say, you know, I take credit 550 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: for that, And if I had, if I had that 551 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: kind of ego, I'd be like, yeah, I did that. 552 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I made that happen all by myself. I don't think 553 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: that's the case. I just don't think I have that 554 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of ego. But did we say it. We absolutely 555 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: said it, So we'll take the credit. That's right, I 556 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: threw you in. Now you have to suffer. This is 557 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: the right kind of stuff. Now, of course there's another 558 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: side to this. You have to deliver gigantic tax refunds. Well, 559 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: let's see it. Let's see it for the middle class. 560 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: Does the middle class? And by the way, what do 561 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: we think is giant? Now he's referring to a gigantic 562 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: tax refund year overall? But I want to know. I 563 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: don't know what the average refund is for a family 564 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: making let's call it one hundred thousand a year. What's 565 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: the average refund? And does it double? If it was 566 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: three hundred dollars, Is it's six hundred dollars, if it 567 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: was one thousand dollars, two thousand dollars? The numbers he's 568 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of throwing out there, because if it's a thousand 569 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: to two thousand dollars, people will say, hot, damn they will. 570 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: They will say that's great, extra thousand bucks. Yeah, that'll 571 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: get people to say, well, I guess we can afford 572 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: that couch. Now, I guess we can pay for part 573 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: of this. Now, it's not all the money in the world, 574 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: but it's enough to get people talking. Those are three 575 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: more things you needed to hear about news stories that 576 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: are not getting enough coverage. Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. 577 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. Find everything at Tony Katz 578 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: dot com. 579 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 6: Heard a MD too. This a step to really stop 580 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 6: feeding the kids in the middle of pandemic. My office 581 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 6: had to do something. 582 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 7: In the video, Osmond tells the room how he arranged 583 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 7: a call with the MDE Commissioner about their attempts to 584 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 7: stop new meal sites. 585 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 6: But I'm one of those people that push back and 586 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 6: call it what it is, which is racist tactics. I 587 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 6: told her. 588 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: Now, that's Jamal Osman, who is a member of the 589 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: Minneapolis Minneapolis A City Council, and he was there screaming 590 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: back in the day that if you stop the funding 591 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: to these sites, well that's just racism. Except it was 592 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: him and and his wife who were involved in parts 593 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: of this scam. 594 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 7: When Osmon and Amba signed over control of a different 595 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 7: dormant nonprofit, they found it together called Stigma Free. Osmon, 596 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 7: writing to its new board, quote, I have seen growth 597 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 7: during the time that I've served, and I'm confident you 598 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 7: will continue to grow this amazing organization in my absence. 599 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 7: The men who took over Stigma Free are charged with 600 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 7: using it immediately to wrack up more than thirteen million 601 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 7: dollars in meal fraud across the state. 602 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: The amount of people connected to this fraud stealing from 603 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: medicare stealing from the people in Minnesota, and the Democrats 604 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: who looked the other way because they didn't want to 605 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: be called racist by a Somali member of the Minneapolis 606 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: City Council. And again, there are people who are connected 607 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: this who aren't Samali. So we deal with the people 608 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: who are engaged in the criminality. But the criminality was everywhere, 609 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: and this scandal is growing and it isn't just in Minnesota. 610 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: Find everything at tonycats dot com. Tomorrow. Everyone take care