1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Line from the Heart Bland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, the raid on John Bolton's house, I did not expect. 4 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: But I don't think that that's, you know, surprising. How 5 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: could anybody have expected such a thing. It's gonna be 6 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: a good time to have my Spanish inquisition stuff. Nope, 7 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: I don't have it. I'll get it later, Tony Kats, 8 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: Tony Kats today, good to be with you. 9 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: For what reason are we now doing this? 10 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: For what reason are we rating the home of the 11 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: former National Security Advisor. 12 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: Bolton was not detained. Bolton has not been charged. 13 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: This began about seven am Eastern time Friday, ordered by 14 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: the director of the FBI Cast Hotel. This all according 15 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: to The New York Post. They had the story from 16 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: the beginning. Others have confirmed it that this involves the 17 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 3: handling of classified documents. 18 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Now, before we do anything, when. 19 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: It comes to classified documents, we overclassify. 20 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: Freaking everything in the United States. 21 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Anybody could be handling classified documents, know it, not know it. 22 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 2: Who knows? That said? 23 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: It drives me crazy when people have classified documents things 24 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: that they're not supposed to have. 25 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: It bothered me with trumpet mar Lago. 26 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: It bothered me with Joe Biden and his garage and 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: wherever else he had stuff. 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: It bothered me with Vice President Mike Pence. 29 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: It's crazy, but two things can be true at the 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: same time. 31 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: That people are not paying. 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: Attention and think that they're entitled to things, and we 33 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: have an overclassifying issue. We classify too much stuff and 34 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: when it has to stop. Is that what happened was 35 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: Bolton sharing the stuff? Was Bolton asked to return the 36 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: stuff and didn't. That's a question. Did he was he 37 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: asked to return everything and didn't. 38 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I know that Trump doesn't like him. 39 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: I know that Trump is convinced that he's just terrible, 40 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: said as much. 41 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: I'll get to that. 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: The Attorney General, Pam Bondi is sharing a post saying 43 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: America safety isn't negotiable. 44 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: Justice will be for en sued always. Well, what does 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: that mean? 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 3: Cash Betel saying no one is above the law. FBI 47 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: agents on mission that was written before the raid was 48 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: known about innocentence will proven guilty. I know that there 49 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: are people in Magaville who hate John Bolton. I do 50 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: not hate John Bolton. I could clearly see where Bolton's 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: worldview does not align with Trump's worldview. I always thought 52 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: it was wrong that Donald Trump, the President of the 53 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: United States, took away the security from Bolton and from 54 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: former Secretary of Saint Mike Pompeo regarding Iran and basically 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: the fatoas on their heads. 56 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: That was wrong, wrong. 57 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: I think that people doing interviews with Bolton just so 58 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: he'll punch Trump in the face is also super weird. 59 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: All that said, I am only interested in knowing whether 60 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: or not the argument here is. The investigation here. 61 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: Is involving John Bolton and providing information to those he 62 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: shouldn't be providing information to. If he had documents that 63 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: he shouldn't have, well that's wrong. If he is sharing 64 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: those documents with people, I do not care how deep 65 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: the hole is you throw them. Considering I'll go to 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: jail if I don't follow my taxes properly, I would 67 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: think that sharing classified information should involve a whole bunch of. 68 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: Jail and then some. 69 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: But what this is about, I have absolutely no idea none, 70 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: And right now, with all of the investigatory work, all 71 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: of the questions being asked, we don't have an answer. 72 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, John Bolton. 73 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: While this is happening, he's tweeting out about other things, 74 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: like he could not care at all. 75 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: What was going on. 76 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Trump is like, listen, the guy totally unpatriotic. 77 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: But that's all I know life. 78 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 4: When I hired him, he served a good purpose because 79 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 4: as you know, he was one of the people that 80 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 4: forced Push to do the ridiculous bombings in the Middle East. 81 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 4: The bolt when he wants always skilled people and he's 82 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: very bad at what he does. But he worked out 83 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 4: great for me because every time he doesn't talk. He's 84 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: like a very quiet person, except on television who you 85 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: could say something bad about Trump, he always do that, 86 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 4: but he really doesn't talk. He's quiet. And walk into 87 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 4: a room with him with a foreign country, and in 88 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: the foreign country would give me everything because they said, 89 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 4: I don't know the to get blown up because John 90 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: Bolton is there. He's a not a smart guy, but 91 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 4: he could be a very unpatriotic I'm we're going to 92 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: find out. 93 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: I know nothing about it. 94 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 4: I just saw it this morning. 95 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: They did a raid. 96 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll be Deil Griffman probably today. Sometimes I don't 97 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 4: want I tell fam and I tell the group. I 98 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: don't want to know about just you have to do 99 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 4: what you have to do. I don't want to know 100 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: about it. It's not necessary. I could know about it. 101 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: I could be the one starting, and I'm actually the 102 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 4: chief law enforcement officer. But I feel that it's better 103 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: this way. 104 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 3: The best is Trump is wearing a hat that says 105 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: Trump was right about everything. Oh gosh, I should have 106 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: just been in the hat business. I should have just 107 00:06:54,200 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: my gosh, I don't know what Bolton here, and that's 108 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: just it. 109 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: Nobody does. We don't know. So everyone take a breath 110 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: and a beat. 111 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 3: We have to find out now on queue of course, 112 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: of course, of course, of course, of course, of course. 113 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: Comes the media saying, well, this is all. 114 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: Just political, And of course I'm a SNBC legal analyst, 115 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: Ken I want to start with you. 116 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you're out there. What do we know about 117 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: exactly what's happening on the ground. 118 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 5: Well, Christina, what we know is what we've seen is 119 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 5: FBI agents and FBI windbreakers and FBI polos going in 120 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 5: and out of the house, bringing boxes inside the house. 121 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: Rearranging windbreakers, polos. It's a fashion report from NBC. 122 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: They're unmarked vehicles. 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 5: You see behind me around four or five unmarked FBI 124 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 5: vehicles in the driveway. They pulled an SUV up to 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 5: the garage. We have not seen anybody that lives there. 126 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 5: We don't think Ambassador Bolten is not at home. We 127 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 5: know that the yeah has been here since seven in 128 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 5: the morning. So they are pouring through material in the house. 129 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 5: And typically in these kinds of searches you have FBI agents, 130 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 5: including perhaps the case agent in charge of the investigation, 131 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: and also evidence technicians who are expert in searching and 132 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 5: exploiting evidence. 133 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: That why not just say we don't know anything yet 134 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: back to you because you don't we don't know anything yet. 135 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: But that's not going to stop Kendelanian and NBC from 136 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: getting purely political. 137 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 5: Who normally sees digital devices and also papers. And look, 138 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: the context here is really important. Number One, FBI to 139 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 5: have gotten sign off on this search. They had to 140 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 5: convince a magistrate Drudge that there was probable cause to 141 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 5: believe that there was evidence of a crime in this house. 142 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 5: And this has to be fresh evidence, not years old 143 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 5: evidence related to ambassadors Fulton's book, which he wrote a 144 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 5: book that was criticized about the administration. But secondly, this 145 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: is coming in an atmosphere where the FBI has been 146 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 5: increasingly politicized. John Bolton is an ardent critic of Donald Trump. 147 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: Nothing was more politicized than Joe Biden's DOJ And you 148 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: don't know that that's the cause. It was so easy. 149 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, guys, we don't have to do any work 150 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: on this at all. We knew from the word go 151 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: that the ABC's, NBC, CBS's, MSNBC, CNNs would immediately engage. 152 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: The conversation that this was all political. 153 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: MSNBC Susan, we have covered so many first when it 154 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: comes to Donald Trump. 155 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 5: But this does feel, as we heard Mary McCord talking 156 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: about what it means to have a president who is 157 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: saying that he's the real law enforcement authority, the real 158 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 5: chief law enforcement. 159 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: Officer in this country. 160 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: It does feel like this is yet another norm broken 161 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: in a real serious way. 162 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: What norm is broken? Was the norm broken when you 163 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: rated Paul Maniford's house. Was the norm broken when you 164 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: threw Roger Stone or Steve Bannon into jail? The norm's broken. 165 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: This is an investigation. The FBI does them all the time. 166 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: The FBI takes their weapons, puts them in your face 167 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: and says we're looking at your stuff. 168 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: I've never liked it. 169 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: If FBIA agents don't like what I have to say, 170 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: that's not my concern. 171 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Hold on, second, someone's knocking at my door right now. 172 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: No norms were broken here, none, But yet this is 173 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: their constant refrain, over and over and over again. You'll 174 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: note exactly how little they know, yet how much they're 175 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: willing to say. I gave you here the details that 176 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: we have. 177 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: That's it. 178 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: And of course, well you can't have an expert without 179 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: a mention of Epstein. 180 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: All right, let me let me follow up on that. 181 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: You think you were questioning the timing of this and 182 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: raising a possible connection to the turning over of some 183 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: documents of Epstein files to your committee today. 184 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. 185 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 6: Look, I think today is the first day that the 186 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 6: DOJ has been required to comply with the subpoena. They 187 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 6: said that they would start producing documents today. I'm concerned 188 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 6: that they're going to slow walk that as well. But 189 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 6: there's tremendous clamor for these documents and transparency as to 190 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 6: these files. And as you know, both Donald Trump as 191 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 6: well as Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, are 192 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 6: trying to prevent that from happening, and they want to 193 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 6: change the conversation. 194 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: And that's what you're think so boring. Wait a second. 195 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: It was earlier this week that Taylor Swift announced her 196 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: new album, and now we have a raid on John 197 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 3: Bolton's home. I see the connection now. It's embarrassing. They 198 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: don't stop, they don't rest, they don't quit. They don't 199 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: care if they have the data or not. They don't 200 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: care if they have the faction not. They don't care 201 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: that they lie to you. The objective is to gin 202 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: people up because it has to be about Haye twenty 203 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: four seven three sixty five. It can't actually be about 204 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: the thing and waiting to find out what happened. 205 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: It's why these people are terrible. They're terrible. 206 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: This is the representative from I forget where he is from, 207 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: I forget the state that he is is from. It 208 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: is representative. I always get it wrong. Krishna Murphy, Well, 209 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: I think that going right. I think I got that 210 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: one right. Awful, Nothing he said is true. He has 211 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: no idea of this is connected to anything. As as 212 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 3: if the FBI doesn't do things all the time. For 213 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: what reason was John Bolton's home investigated. 214 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: We don't know. 215 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: Could we wait to find out? Could we just wait 216 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: to find out? These people suck. They're awful. They deserve 217 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: every bit of derision they get. They don't care about 218 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: the country. They don't care about the truth, they don't 219 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: care about data, they don't care about facts, they care 220 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: about Look at me. I'm the first on TV to 221 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: say this. My gosh, I'm gonna get five more likes 222 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: on Twitter. 223 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, if that's the way. 224 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: You want to live your life, it's fine, But I'm 225 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: telling you that's a terrible way to live your life. 226 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: Count me out. 227 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz giving you actual information. This is Tony 228 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: Katz Today.