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Speaker 3: Yeah, this team without Tyres and Miles and recent seasons

433
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: has been about what you know, you'd guess or excuse

434
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: me about what you said earlier, like pretty close to

435
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: winning half their games right without Tyree's last year, I

436
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: think they went what like three and four, four and

437
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: five or something like one game less than five hundred.

438
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: The year before that was very similar as well. And

439
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: so the hope of your the Pacers is that you

440
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: can roughly hold that level and be perhaps even better

441
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: because you have a full season to develop a style

442
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: and synergy and chemistry with the players that are playing

443
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: in his absence. Right, So the fact that in past

444
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: seasons they've been close to that level with you know,

445
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 3: just on the fly making changes because he's out and

446
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: you're trying to play away the Navy isn't perfect. For

447
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: the team that you have this year, they can do that.

448
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 4: They will have time.

449
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: They had just had a full training camp a'beit with

450
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: a bunch of injured players to actually like establish how

451
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 3: they want to play with this screw. People will get

452
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: comfortable in their roles, chemistry rooible in a way that

453
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: necessarily wasn't the case in past seasons. Now they also

454
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Speaker 3: want to have Miles Turner, which is a part of

455
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Speaker 3: this too, and want to have TJ. Mcconnells to start

456
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Speaker 3: the season. But the other part of this is like

457
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: how many of their rotation players are still young and

458
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: should just naturally be better Andrew Nemhard, Ben Matheren, Aaronise

459
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: Smith to name a few, Ben Shepard, JEFS Walker. I mean,

460
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: I could keep going. There's even more so between the

461
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: natural growth of those players and the fact that without

462
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: Halburn in the past, they've been hovering around that mark.

463
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Speaker 3: I think it's reasonable to assume that they could be.

464
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Speaker 4: Roughly a five hundred team.

465
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Speaker 3: But they'll learn a lot either way, right Kaylen Cooper

466
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Speaker 3: and I discussed this on My Potts this week that

467
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Speaker 3: if they're really good and they make the playoffs, they've

468
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Speaker 3: learned that their young players are great and ready for

469
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Speaker 3: perhaps a bigger role that can help replace them of

470
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Speaker 3: Halliburn's production, and he comes back if he's not the

471
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Speaker 3: same player, and if they're really poor, they get a

472
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Speaker 3: lottery pick and they learn a lot about who they

473
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Speaker 3: need to keep going forward. So it's not a fun

474
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Speaker 3: win win scenario, but it's if you're going to have

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Speaker 3: a year without Haliburn, at least they get a usable

476
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Speaker 3: outcome either way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to get to the center position in

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Speaker 1: a second, so I'm going to take that one off

479
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Speaker 1: the board. In other words, Isaiah Jackson, James Wiseman, Jay

480
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: huff right of the rest of the roster, Tony this

481
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: season presents the best opportunity to take a step forward

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Speaker 1: and show what they can. Matherin is the obvious other

483
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Speaker 1: discussion here, right, So you know, but give me somebody

484
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Speaker 1: that we don't discuss that. You're like, you know what,

485
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Speaker 1: this could be a really big year and a big

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Speaker 1: step forward for that player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I often lump the like young wings all together for

489
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Speaker 3: this kind of conversation. I'll answer your question to be clear,

490
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Speaker 3: But I think that for the pacers specific, tally hoping

491
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Speaker 3: or seeing if somebody can either pop or pop in

492
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Speaker 3: their system between the Matherin, Shepherd, Furfey Walker quartet is

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Speaker 3: kind of what they would be looking at there if

494
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Speaker 3: any of them are clearly like, oh yeah, this is

495
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: an obvious, very good bench player. It's a starter level guy,

496
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Speaker 3: or in Matherin's case, perhaps much more than that. Obviously

497
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Speaker 3: he's been very good in the past. That'd be very revealing.

498
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Speaker 3: I think all eyes naturally would go to Jaris Walker there,

499
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: because you know, he's had a lot of flashes of stuff,

500
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Speaker 3: but like hardly even he admitted it last year, albeit

501
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Speaker 3: in December, and he he got more consistent as the

502
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Speaker 3: season went on. But you know, he called this season

503
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Speaker 3: up and down about a third of the way through

504
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: last year himself, right, Like inconsistency he knew. And so

505
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that between you know, the

506
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Speaker 3: passing ability that for somebody at his size is somewhat unique.

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Speaker 3: He's got handle, he's got you know, I'll never forget

508
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Speaker 3: Chad Buchanan liking his size to a linebacker after they

509
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Speaker 3: drafted him, right he could defend at Houston at a

510
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Speaker 3: high level. This stuff hasn't all clicked in the NBA,

511
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Speaker 3: like we've seen it at times when they put him

512
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Speaker 3: on Kawhi or forced him to guard Katie and we've

513
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: seen him bust up in a preseason game of zone

514
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Speaker 3: because he's a good passers handles there, his shot is

515
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: really developed. Like if he puts all that together, now

516
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: that's obviously a huge ask, but if he puts all

517
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: that together, that's a massively valuable player and one that

518
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: you'd want to invest in and give a big role to.

519
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: So he's the most interesting one to me. They love Furfey,

520
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: Rick Carlisle love Shepherd. I think Shepherd's quite good, and

521
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Natherin has a ton of potential in a huge raw.

522
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Speaker 3: But of that young win group, I think Walker is

523
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Speaker 3: the guy that naturally my eyes are drawn two for

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Speaker 3: this question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Furfey to me, let me tell you, Tony,

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Speaker 1: and you tell me if this is too nuanced and

527
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Speaker 1: an observation, Okay, I think one of the things that

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Speaker 1: the Pacers Brass really likes about Johnny Furfey, dare I say,

529
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Speaker 1: I know that one of the things I really like

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Speaker 1: about Johnny Furfey is Furfrey's quick release. They like the

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Speaker 1: fact that Furfy doesn't need a lot of time on

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Speaker 1: a shot, that he has quick hands essentially, and that

533
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Speaker 1: is so important in the style of play that they

534
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Speaker 1: played a year ago. And I know that that they

535
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Speaker 1: are apparently going to attempt to play in that same style,

536
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Speaker 1: but without Haliburton, let's say, facilitating that quick move the

537
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Speaker 1: ball filtered around offense and turner. That they're going to

538
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Speaker 1: have to figure out how they replace that piece of it.

539
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Speaker 1: But the style that they do this year may not

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Speaker 1: completely be advantageous to the style that Johnny Furfey would

541
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Speaker 1: most importantly play a part in, and I'm talking about

542
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Speaker 1: offensive pacing. I think they like his wing defense, but

543
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Speaker 1: that aspect of his game may not be able to

544
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Speaker 1: fully be illustrated this year. Is that too nuanced an observation?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's fair enough, say.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he does play their style very well, and

547
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Speaker 3: I honestly think they you know, they all have said

548
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Speaker 3: many times in camp and preseason that they know that

549
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Speaker 3: their style has been a huge part of their success

550
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Speaker 3: in these last two playoff runs. And so the question

551
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: they have to ask is like, yes, they they chose

552
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Speaker 3: this style and have really nurtured it because they have

553
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: to Aliburton right that he is the guy that makes

554
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Speaker 3: it hum with the passion, getting action to action, never

555
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: turning it over. He's an amazing player, but most of

556
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: their other players can't do it right, like something that

557
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: makes TJ McConnell and Obi top And you know, people

558
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: talk about their contracts a lot, or they overpaid whatever,

559
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: like to me, they're not overpaid because they're very good

560
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: on the pacers. They might be on the team, they

561
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: fit the best in the whole NBA, and their style

562
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: is such a.

563
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Speaker 4: Big part of their success.

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Speaker 3: Those two players are quite good at it. So to

565
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: bring that to fur Feet, I I don't really know

566
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Speaker 3: what his perfect pace is yet because he didn't play

567
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Speaker 3: that much last year, but he had such a nose

568
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: for the ball and stuff that doesn't require pays or

569
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: quick decisions and things of that nature. And so you know,

570
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Speaker 3: as this season comes and they don't have Haliburton, that

571
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Speaker 3: was a big question I had on media Day and

572
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Speaker 3: even sometimes they're at camp. Is how today see this

573
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Speaker 3: going from a style of perspective, and I think we've

574
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Speaker 3: gotten enough crumbs from watching them and hearing them that

575
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Speaker 3: they hope to play just as fast and honestly, I

576
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Speaker 3: you know, you never know how this will actually look,

577
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Speaker 3: but maybe even slightly faster than they did last year.

578
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: We'll see if that's a good idea now. But in

579
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: the preseason they were throwing it ahead in every transition, chance,

580
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: getting shots up quick open three, immediate release like, no hesitation,

581
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Speaker 3: regardless of who it was, for better or worse. Now, granted,

582
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: they had an absurd number of turnovers in the preseason, right,

583
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: and perhaps they have to reel in this pace to

584
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Speaker 3: play correctly.

585
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Speaker 4: But I do wonder what.

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Speaker 3: This is actually going to look like, because not only

587
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: they have to figure out what's the best way for

588
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: these eighteen player or seventeen players excuse me, to play,

589
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: but also what makes sense to build it because they

590
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: need their style to be a thing when alburn is

591
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: back next year, right, So if you stray too far away,

592
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: you're not helping your team long term. So there's a

593
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: lot of balance to strike there, which is much easier

594
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: for us to talk about than for the Pacers.

595
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Speaker 4: To actually do.

596
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Speaker 3: But I actually think they're going to try, and I

597
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Speaker 3: think it's reasonable for them to do so to keep

598
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Speaker 3: their pace roughly where it has been. And so for

599
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: a guy like Furfey, it's going to be important to

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Speaker 3: keep cultivating a quick shot and trying to play that

601
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Speaker 3: way offensively. In just his second year, and is the

602
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: second round pick, he shouldn't have a ton of expectation

603
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: even though he is potentially a good player.

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Speaker 1: Tony Eas, by the way, is the host of Locked

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Speaker 1: on Pacers. You can read his work at Forbes, amongst

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Speaker 1: other places. Obviously on the expost Twitter as well. Tony,

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00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you just actually reposted this. I want to read this

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Speaker 1: for everybody and then give you an opportunity to commentate

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Speaker 1: on it if you will, or opine on it. This

610
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Speaker 1: is from NBA Communications. Quote. We are in the process

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Speaker 1: of reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry Rozier and

612
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Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups are being placed on immediate leave from their teams,

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Speaker 1: and we will continue to cooperate with the relevant authorities.

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Speaker 1: We take these allegations with the utmost seriousness, and the

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Speaker 1: integrity of our game remains our top priority. End quote

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Speaker 1: from NBA Communications. I had mentioned earlier that the NBA, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: with that last statement, has put themselves in position where

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Speaker 1: there is always going to be skepticism amongst the fan

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Speaker 1: base about how widespread that integrity or lack thereof. May

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Speaker 1: be your thoughts on all of it, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is now a second place that you know has

622
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Speaker 3: been arrested for in Terroos Your's case and ties to

623
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Speaker 3: you know, gambling, and specifically I believe in both cases

624
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: we know this from the Johntay Porter and I met

625
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: with the Raptors, and then the reporting from ESPN on

626
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Speaker 3: Terry Rozier and even more today is that it was

627
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Speaker 3: related to player prompts, which is their own performance in games.

628
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Speaker 3: And it seems like in both cases polling themselves out

629
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Speaker 3: early due to injury and like suggesting that in advance.

630
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: You know that this is a the dascer quite frankly

631
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Speaker 3: for the NBA, right, this is what they should be

632
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: afraid of when it comes to gambling. Is it actually

633
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 3: impacting the play and integrity of the game on the floor.

634
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: That's very scary for them, and you know, the more

635
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: it happens. And you know, I said this at the

636
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: time and I kind of regret it a little bit,

637
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: but you know, with John say Porter, I think they

638
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: were lucky that the first player for them was just

639
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: a two way contract guy that very few guys know of,

640
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: like Cairo's you're good or it was good. He hasn't

641
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: been recently, you know, And that's a real player, like

642
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: who a team traded a first round pick for him

643
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: two years ago? Like this is a significant thing and

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00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: that they have to keep an eye on. And I

645
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: think they said in their press conference today that I

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Speaker 3: can't I don't remember the exact phrasing. I'd probably butchering it,

647
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: but there was some sort of like suspicious activity involving

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Speaker 3: bets with Portland and the Lakers in Toronto and the Hornet,

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Speaker 3: So it's like more widespread than probably just two players,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Chauncey Billups thing it sounds like is

651
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Speaker 3: illegal poker games, which is, you know, potentially completely unrelated

652
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: to the NBA, but he is an active NBA coach,

653
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: and an active NBA coach or anyone getting involved in

654
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Speaker 3: a situation with debts and money is always at least

655
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Speaker 3: a thing to monitor. So it's it's a very bad

656
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: day for the NBA to have all this come out

657
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: right after their season starts, too, and something they've got

658
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Speaker 3: to get a handle on, because the more this happens,

659
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: the more and more people will stop or start to

660
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: wonder if you know, there is something to worry about

661
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Speaker 3: when it comes to game integrity.

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Speaker 1: Here's something interesting, and I'm not it would be I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying definitively this is what it is, right but

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Speaker 1: I noticed on social media somebody. You know, this is

665
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: always the case, right, somebody goes back and they find stuff.

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Speaker 1: There was a game last year after Terry Rozier, shortly

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Speaker 1: after I believe he was traded to Miami, where they

668
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Speaker 1: played in Cleveland, and there was somebody that simply posted

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Speaker 1: a thing. They're like, oh my gosh, how could a

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Speaker 1: guy in the NBA be this bad? And it was

671
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Speaker 1: a highlight reel or a low light reel of Terry

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Speaker 1: Rozier playing in Cleveland that particular game. And I watched

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Speaker 1: some of this video, and I mean it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's coming down the floor and just falling down and

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Speaker 1: turning the ball over and shooting airballs. There was a

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Speaker 1: game last year, just for example, where he was three

677
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Speaker 1: of fourteen from the floor, one of eight from three

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Speaker 1: point range, with four turnovers. His plus minus in that

679
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Speaker 1: particular game was minus three. Actually, But the point being,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's definitively a game that's involved,

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Speaker 1: but they have put themselves in position now have Terry

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Speaker 1: Rosa or the NBA for that to be questioned.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the game that they're getting Terry Roseyer four at

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Speaker 2: least is what I'm seeing on Twitter is on March

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Speaker 2: twenty third of twenty three. It was the final game

686
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Speaker 2: of the year for Rosier when he was with the Hornets.

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Speaker 2: He played ten minutes, he had five points, four boards

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Speaker 2: to assist. That was the game that he allegedly pulled

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Speaker 2: himself out of early for a quote unquote injury, which is.

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Speaker 1: What Porter did correct Tony when he claimed that he

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Speaker 1: had a foot injury and went under elly honest, kid.

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Speaker 4: Was an eye injury.

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Speaker 3: Porter's yeah, he said his eye was bothering him or

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Speaker 3: something like that, and yeah, I don't know where I

695
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: read this today, but something of like the people that

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Speaker 3: allegedly Ordvago Rozier were like at his house after the

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Speaker 3: game or something like, Yeah, it's just it's scary. And

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Speaker 3: you know, you bring up performance in a game and

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Speaker 3: how that would be scary. And on one hand, in

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Speaker 3: my head when you're talking, I'm like, dang, it's.

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Speaker 4: A slippery slopes. He'd be like, well, every poor.

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Speaker 3: Performance, people are gonna say, oh, is he betting? Is

703
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: there collusion? But then you think about the Cleveland Guardians

704
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Speaker 3: pitchers where it's like specific pitches were.

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Speaker 4: Supposed to be a ball or whatever.

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Speaker 3: It was I don't follow baseball betting that well, but

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Speaker 3: it wasn't something like that, you know, like that is

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Speaker 3: a specific thing happening in a game intentionally poor.

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Speaker 1: Here's the ultimate irony in all of this. Okay, the

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Speaker 1: ultimate irony in this and any professional sports league saying

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Speaker 1: that they are utmost aware and want fans to be

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Speaker 1: utmost conscientious of their integrity of the game. The irony

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Speaker 1: of it is is that they want that integrity of

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Speaker 1: the game upheld so that fans in good conscious can

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Speaker 1: continue to gamble on it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and and well, and that's the thing like that.

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Speaker 3: I do think there's some truth to this when people say, well,

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Speaker 3: legal betting is easier to regulate and catch these things,

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Speaker 3: And that's true, right there.

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Speaker 1: Is, Yeah, that's problem true, that's true. It's easier to

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Speaker 1: track down right, right.

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Speaker 3: So it's really hard to like conflate the perfect balance

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Speaker 3: of like safety of this activity and it actually impacting

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Speaker 3: the product and the court and obviously the product on

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00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 3: the court or the field or whatever sport has to

726
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: be number one. You have to have people watching, believing

727
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Speaker 3: and knowing knowing, I believe knowing that this is real.

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Speaker 3: But if it's even compromised a little bit for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: you lose a little bit of that and you know

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Speaker 3: at what costs when it comes to in this case,

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Speaker 3: gambling safety and things of that nature. It's a very

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Speaker 3: strange thing that's happened just so fast, and now everybody

733
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Speaker 3: always laughs about now how gambling sponsors there are. Like

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Speaker 3: I was watching a clip of ESPN talking about this

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Speaker 3: and they removed the cryon on the bottom that had

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Speaker 3: ESPN bat blasted.

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Speaker 4: All over it like while they were talking about it.

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Speaker 3: And it's just all so much pointing in opposite directions,

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Speaker 3: and it's not good. It's not good at all.

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Speaker 1: Tony. Lastly, tonight, when the pacers take to the floor,

741
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Speaker 1: and I mentioned Isaiah Jackson, James Wiseman, Jay Huff's center position,

742
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Speaker 1: do you believe that this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: season long opportunity for all three of those to prove

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Speaker 1: they're the long term guy within the way that Indiana

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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: wants to play once they're back and all pushed in

746
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Speaker 1: a year from now, or are they going to basically

747
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Speaker 1: ride out with these three and then go out and

748
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Speaker 1: get the guy that's the guy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they have till February to prove that

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Speaker 3: they can either be a starting level guy or close

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00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: to or whoever the next best guy is, congrat you

752
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: the best backup. They're going to be looking to trade

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00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: for a center because they don't have one.

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Speaker 4: All these guys are career.

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Speaker 3: Backups that they have, so it's going to be a

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00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: constant kind of evaluation at that position. And they all

757
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: provide different strengths, so I think you'll see them at

758
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 3: different times, but you know, you can tell by the

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00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 3: money and the assets which ones they believe in the most,

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Speaker 3: in the least, they're all going to be fighting for that.

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Speaker 3: Can I talk about Nancy for a second? Am I

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Speaker 3: allowed to do that?

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 3: She was the best You sat close to almost every game, correct, correct?

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Speaker 3: I mean her smile was the same every time I

766
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Speaker 3: saw her, way the same every time I saw I

767
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: barely knew her, and she was always happy to see me.

768
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Speaker 3: She's always happy to be a game sitting in that

769
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Speaker 3: same spot. It's going to be so sad and strange

770
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Speaker 3: to not have her at the game. And I do

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Speaker 3: hope everybody is very involved, both in the moment of

772
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Speaker 3: silence and the ovation, because yes, mount rushmore of having

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00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 3: this pro sport any pro sports really, but this pro

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Speaker 3: sports scene in India.

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Speaker 1: Again, the Pacers are going to have a moment of

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00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: silence for Nancy Leonard tonight, and then after the moment

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00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: of silence and before the national anthem, so immediately following

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00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: the moment of silence, then the other way. A standing

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00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: ovation for Nancy Leonard tonight would be outstanding, and Tony

780
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: very well said of regarding her, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: The a major pillar within the franchise and the city's

782
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Speaker 1: sports landscape. Tony appreciate it and we will look forward

783
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Speaker 1: to talking to you over the course of the year. Yep,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me, guys, Tony East joining us on

785
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Speaker 1: the show. We come back, we will shift gears a

786
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Speaker 1: little bit, get you caught up on the Colts, the

787
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Speaker 1: injury report thereof, and then a little bit after one o'clock,

788
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Speaker 1: Ralphrief going to join us and discuss some of the

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Speaker 1: you know, one of them I had. I have a

790
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Speaker 1: basketball question for him regarding injuries that I think even

791
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: weekend Warriors will be interested in. That's going to take

792
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: place about twenty minutes. Again, the big story of the

793
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: day is this FBI investigation involving NBA players and a coach,

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00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: and Chauncey Billups, but to be clear, that does not

795
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: mean that they are all involved in the same allegation

796
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: of impropriety. In the case of Sean Jones, by the way,

797
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: well yeah, so, Chauncey Phillips obviously head coach Portland Trailblazers,

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Speaker 1: Damon Jones, former assistant coach and longtime NBA player, and

799
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: as well Terry Rozier player currently Miami Heat, traded there

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Speaker 1: in January of twenty four from Charlotte and the This

801
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: is an investigation that all comes off of you know,

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00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when you see when there is

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Speaker 1: a tropical storm and then there are all kinds of

804
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: like little storms that are spawning off of it and

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00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: spurring all over the place. That's this initial investigation of

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Speaker 1: John Jay Porter, who to Tony east Point a lesser

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Speaker 1: known player, and that kind of you know, wasn't as

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Speaker 1: big a story. But during that investigation that then apparently

809
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: while we're looking into that and organized crime connection to that,

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00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: then that led them to uncover other areas that they

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Speaker 1: wanted to investigate over the course of the last year,

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Speaker 1: and in the case of Chauncey Billups, it is involved

813
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: with his involvement is alleged to have been with a

814
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: poker ring with Jones and as well with Terry Rozier.

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Speaker 1: Their allegations are separate from one another, but providing exclusive

816
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: information or intimate information about what could impact in influence

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00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: games and providing that information for gambling purposes. But we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about over the course of today as four

819
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: the Colts getting set. It is again four o'clock start.

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00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: That is important to remember thirty's you know, the late

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Speaker 1: game is what I'm getting at this Sunday the Colts

822
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Speaker 1: and Titans will be available on our sister station ninety

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00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: seven to one Hank FM. The ride to kick off

824
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: with JMV and the Colts pregame huddle will be available

825
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: right here on ninety three five and one oh seven

826
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: five starting at twelve thirty. But the game itself on

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Speaker 1: Hank FM. That is to facilitate for the fact that

828
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Speaker 1: the Pacers broadcast with the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday night

829
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Speaker 1: will be at six point thirty right here on this

830
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: radio station. As for who is in and out for

831
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Speaker 1: the Colts, keeping an eye on that, we will read

832
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: off for you the injury report and who is practicing

833
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: who missed practice yesterday. We'll get to that, and then

834
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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef joins us as well, speaking of Space Jam,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie, by the way, which one

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Speaker 1: any of those Jordan ones? So you've seen the one

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Speaker 1: with Lebron James? Then no? Or there did Lebron do one? Also? Yeah?

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00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: They did a new version of it? Is that right? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 1: It was crap as if the one with Jordan was

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Speaker 1: an Emmy an Academy Award. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, uh didn't

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00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: doesn't he? Am? I confused? Like is he? Uh? Isn't

842
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: he playing against a bunny rabbit or something? No, No,

843
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: said Roger Rabbit. That's in that. It's an alien. He

844
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: teams up with the Looney Tunes and they take on

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Speaker 1: the Monstars. Gotcha? Okay, well that sounds fun, right, that's

846
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan one. Obviously, Josh Downs, by the way,

847
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Speaker 1: was limited in practice yesterday with his concussion protocol. He

848
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Speaker 1: is still in the protocol. Tyler Goodson did practice. He

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Speaker 1: has a groin injury. He was a full practice yesterday,

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00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: so to Ashton Doolan with his chest injury. What is

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00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: notable is those who did not practice yesterday. That involves

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Speaker 1: I gotta do this. I got to brace myself for

853
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: the last name. It is the hurdle for me. He

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00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: is week to week Samson abou Khom, Yes, good job,

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Speaker 1: thank you. He has the knee injury. Taykwon Lewis with

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Speaker 1: a twy Taekwon Lewis with a groin injury.

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Speaker 2: Day to day.

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Speaker 1: Anymore with an achilles still did not practice. I would

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00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: imagine that that is precautionary. Obviously. Then you have the

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Speaker 1: rest day of Braden Smith. That is typical. But we

861
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Speaker 1: will see who gets out onto the field for them

862
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: over the course of practice today. Because really what you

863
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: get into and we know this yesterday was the first

864
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: practice of the week for the Colts, and then you

865
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: get into Thursday and Friday, and that gives you better

866
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: indication as to who will go.

867
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: Now.

868
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: I'll be curious to ask Ralph Reef who's going to

869
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: join us here in just a minute. And I do

870
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: appreciate by the way those that have reached out to

871
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: let me know how much they enjoy and I agree

872
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: with him totally when Ralph is on the program, because

873
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: it is it is not the easiest thing in the world.

874
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: When you are someone of a very specified area of

875
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: expertise and very high intellect to be able to then

876
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: talk in terms that someone like me can understand. And

877
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: that is really a gift and one thing that I

878
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: really enjoy with Ralph is and I think others have,

879
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: and I appreciate those that have reached out to say

880
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: how much they enjoy when it comes on to just

881
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: talk about the intricacies of some of the injuries that

882
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: we see. And also, you know, in racing the Indianapolis

883
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: five hundred, going all the way back to the very beginning,

884
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things about the Indy five

885
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: hundred and about auto racing in general that we know

886
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: is that the ingenuity that goes into and the innovation

887
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: that goes into racing ultimately finds its way into the

888
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: showroom passenger car. And you know, more so, especially at

889
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: the height of the Indy five hundred, that was the

890
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: case of just the things they were doing with the

891
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: cars themselves. Ultimately people knew that that would then be

892
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: put in place for what they were buying to drive,

893
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, to work every day. And I think that

894
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to talking about some of the intricacies

895
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: of these injuries, yes, we are talking about athletes that

896
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: are themselves in fact fine tuned engines and the most

897
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: elite and sleek of what you can see. And there's

898
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: not a lot of area where that translates to those

899
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: of us that sit and talk about sports or on

900
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: the couch watching it. But yet it does because sometimes

901
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, the body is still the body, and Ralph's

902
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: ability to kind of connect those two things, I think

903
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: is really a special skill set and one that I

904
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: enjoy and I'm glad that people enjoy it.

905
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: On the Tennessee Titans front, Jacob has just announced that

906
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: Lagerius Sneather, top cornerback, is being placed on injured reserves,

907
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: so he will be out four weeks. He is dealing

908
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: with a quadricept injury. Jeffrey Simmons, who is their best

909
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: overall defensive player along the defensive line, he is nursing

910
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: an injury and his status is up in the air.

911
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: I believe he was listed as week to week by

912
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: Mike McCoy, the interim head coach yesterday of the Tennessee Titans.

913
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: And again I hate saying this. There is part of

914
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: me this is such a dangerous and slippery slope in

915
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: the NFL, and this might be this might be the

916
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: toughest coaching week of the year so far for Shane

917
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: steiking kick. What are you talking about? Having to decide

918
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: who's going to be the quarterback was tougher.

919
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 4: Than that.

920
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: Coming up with the game plan to win in Los

921
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: Angeles against the Chargers, who are a good team, and

922
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, you're out of your mind going into Arrowhead.

923
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: You don't think that's going to be a challenge, can

924
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: you believe? I was listening to the radio and this

925
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: moron on the radio was talking about how the Tennessee

926
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Titan game at home a four to twenty five kick

927
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: was going to be the biggest coaching challenge for Shane

928
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: Steikin for the year, saying it with a little bit

929
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: of hyperbole. But what I'm meaning by that is this,

930
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: getting your guys up for this game is probably a

931
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: challenge to motivate them because if I'm thinking it, and

932
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: if you're thinking it, you know, the players, even though

933
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: they're pros, even though they go through all of the

934
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: pomp and circumstance and and you know, motivational raw Rah

935
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: speeches and professionalism and sitting in the meeting rooms and

936
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: doing everything to get ready for a game. Even they go,

937
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: even though they go through all of those things, they

938
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: have to in the back of their mind be thinking

939
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: to themselves, this team is terrible. It's at home, We're

940
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: the best team in the league. They got a rookie quarterback.

941
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels to an extent like a bye

942
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: week for the Colts. And I know that that's a

943
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: dangerous thing to say, and it's okay for me to

944
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: say it, and it's okay for you to say it.

945
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: You are hoping that the team is not saying that,

946
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: but you wonder if, in fact it has to be

947
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: in the back of their mind. And you know, stranger

948
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: things have happened. And in the NFL of any league,

949
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: the any given Sunday mantra is absolutely there. And yes,

950
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: at any point any of these teams can sneak up

951
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: and bite you. But Tennessee really at home getting motivated

952
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: for that one. It does kind of feel like that

953
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: game that you're like, hey, by the way, I've got

954
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: cold season tickets, would you want to go this weekend?

955
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: It just kind of it feels like that game. Joining

956
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: us now on the job, House Peel and poor guest

957
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: line Ralph reef dot com is the website where you

958
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: can read about his expertise. Again, REEF spelled r e

959
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: I f F Executive Performance Solutions, REEF Executive Performance Solutions.

960
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: Talking injuries, Ralph, I'm going to begin with this one.

961
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: You ready, Yes, Sir, Taekwon Lewis, you know, has a

962
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: groin injury that always to me sounds like just painful

963
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: because all I know is this. I'm going to give

964
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: you the Weekend Warrior armchair quarterback sports talk radio host

965
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: definition of a groin injury. It means he hurt the

966
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: inside of his leg. I mean, that's what I think

967
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: to myself. Is there a specified I guess, way or

968
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: cause in which somebody more likely than not hurt their groin?

969
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: Is it, you know, like a movement or and where

970
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: exactly are we talking about?

971
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

972
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 5: So the adductors spelled add as in adding something describes

973
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 5: the motion of those muscles. It adds the leg back

974
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 5: to the center line of the body. So if you're

975
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 5: in a walking stance and you stand on your left

976
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 5: leg and you take your right leg off the ground

977
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 5: and you pull it towards your left leg, that is

978
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 5: adduction and that movement when it's outside the protection of

979
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 5: the rest of the body those muscles, and there are

980
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 5: six muscles in the adductor your group, and they're all

981
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 5: attached to the pelvis at different points in the pelvis

982
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 5: up high and they terminate down somewhere, all in different

983
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 5: spots on the femur mid shaft a little further down

984
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 5: the femur, And so think of it as a single

985
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 5: arm crane that is anchored to the ground, and it's

986
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 5: just your basic one span crane that hooks onto something

987
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 5: and pulls it to another direction.

988
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 4: That's what the ad doctor does.

989
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 5: And the biggest deterrent to somebody getting back into play,

990
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 5: and has a fair amount to do with why the

991
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 5: injury curred to begin with, is that muscle group has

992
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 5: a lot to do with single legs, stance, stability, and

993
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 5: you see it all the time in sports. Watch the

994
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 5: NBA game tonight and watch somebody underneath the basket getting

995
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 5: a little off balance and they land on one leg

996
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 5: going for rebounder.

997
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: After a shot or whatever.

998
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 5: The adductor muscle group is very very important in stabilizing

999
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 5: the body so the athlete can keep going and.

1000
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: So a groin, so the adductor, if you will, you

1001
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: said six basically six cables. Is that a fair way

1002
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: of saying it?

1003
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right.

1004
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so those six cables in once you the six

1005
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: of them combined are listed as groin. Is that fair?

1006
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 4: Yes, that is very fair.

1007
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: So does this mean when you see somebody that has

1008
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: a groin injury, could that mean that any one of

1009
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: those six cables is compromised or does it usually mean

1010
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: all six across the board?

1011
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 5: Nope, it's usually a combination of one, two, three, four. Rare,

1012
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 5: rare to have six all six components involved in the injury.

1013
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: Ralph, we just witnessed this with Caitlin Clark during the

1014
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: dou WNBA season. She suffers a groin injury.

1015
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: I think it was.

1016
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: I think was on the left side of her body.

1017
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: Then they rush her back too quickly. In this the

1018
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: right side. I may have that backwards. But either way,

1019
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: if you rush this injury back, is there a chance

1020
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: for you know, trying to overcompensate. Next thing, you know,

1021
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: you compromise the other part or the other leg in.

1022
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: The groin area.

1023
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 5: You're exactly right, that compromising does occur. And one of

1024
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 5: the great challenges in sports medicine in with soft tissue injuries,

1025
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 5: so the adductor muscles, the hamstring, quadriceps, soft tissue injuries,

1026
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 5: the calf. When the human body doesn't have a have

1027
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 5: indicator light on it right, it doesn't have a green, yellow, red,

1028
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 5: And so we really have to rely upon the athletes

1029
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 5: feedback during their normal routine of things going up and downstairsteps,

1030
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 5: getting in and out of a car, swinging your leg,

1031
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 5: lifting your body up single leg out of a car seat.

1032
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 5: All of those things are part of the discernment to

1033
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: the athlete of saying, hey, I can't even.

1034
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: Get myself out of the car.

1035
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 5: There's no way I can play my position. But then

1036
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 5: they start walking around and doing things and they're able

1037
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 5: to function normally. Well, there's no way to reproduce the

1038
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 5: intensity of a practice or a game until you do it.

1039
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 5: You know, we haven't yet designed the machine or the

1040
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 5: mechanism to put somebody into a device and say, okay,

1041
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 5: we're going to replicate the speed and intensity and adrenaline

1042
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 5: of a game to see if that adductor, hamstring, quadricep

1043
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 5: is ready to go. That's always the danger. And so

1044
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 5: when you say got them back too fast, well, that's

1045
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 5: the rear view mirror right, But it's it's a very

1046
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 5: very challenging injury, soft tissue injuries, very challenging for the

1047
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 5: return to play. And I think Kenny Moore, who did

1048
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 5: not practice yesterday, is very interesting to me.

1049
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: I'll just leave it at that, okay.

1050
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: And I want to piggyback off that, Ralph, because you

1051
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: know Kenny Moore, I believe it's achilles is the listed

1052
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: injury on why he did not practice correct, Yes, okay.

1053
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: And so when you say it's very interesting, is that

1054
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: because that is an area of intricacy that can fluctuate

1055
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: from one week to the next.

1056
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's there's a wide spectrum. The medical staff, coaches,

1057
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 5: Kenny Moore, his agent may have all said, let's agree

1058
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: upon the fact that we're going to reduce the repetitions

1059
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 5: for Kenny going forward, So therefore he's not going to

1060
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 5: practice on Wednesdays. That may have been agreed upon. So

1061
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 5: there may be absolutely nothing to read into the fact

1062
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 5: that he did not practice yesterday except the fact that

1063
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: somewhere in all of those stakeholders there's a level of concern.

1064
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 5: You you get what I'm saying, Yes, there's some level

1065
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 5: of catern.

1066
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: In other words, if he was completely clear, and he's

1067
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: out there, right or he's limited or whatever else, right,

1068
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean there has to be and I guess Ralph

1069
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: in tapping into your expertise here, okay, when you say

1070
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: there has to be a level of concern, I guess,

1071
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: first off, are you are you basing that just on

1072
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: past precedent of example.

1073
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, dealing with dealing with these injuries forever.

1074
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: We always have butterflies.

1075
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 5: In our stomach when we put an athlete back into

1076
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 5: play with soft tissue injuries, just because, as I said before,

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 5: there's no indicator light, so we don't know truly what

1078
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 5: that soft tissue is thinking, doing, how it's going to respond.

1079
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 5: There a lot to play, all those things, so it

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01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 5: becomes a challenge.

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Speaker 1: And with that, and by the way, Ralph, Ralph Reef

1082
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: is our guest, he's on the Java House Peel and

1083
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: poor guest Line Reef Executive Performance Solutions of course, longtime

1084
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: athletic trainer. And to be clear for those that because

1085
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: Ralph you are obviously somebody who has been involved with

1086
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: and been around the sports scene on all levels for

1087
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: a long time, you don't specifically work with Kenny Moore.

1088
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that people do know that.

1089
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean to protect you there, but you have, you know,

1090
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: more expertise in precedent, like I said, than really anybody

1091
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: in town typically speaking with an Achilles, when you said that,

1092
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: there's no like caution light there when you see that

1093
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: he didn't practice, and that that would mean that there's

1094
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: a reason for that in some way, even if it

1095
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: is the most precautionary of things. Does that seem to

1096
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: you to be atypical? In other words, if he had

1097
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: played on Sunday typically, would that mean that he is

1098
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: then cleared and good to go? And that's why this

1099
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: seems unusual.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me unpack that a little bit.

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01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 5: Obviously he played, he played well, I don't know how

1102
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 5: many minutes he played, or opportunities on plays where you

1103
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 5: know how many reps? Again going back to that, how

1104
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 5: many reps he had? But now you go, you know,

1105
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 5: you have Monday off, you have Tuesday off, you take

1106
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 5: Wednesday off.

1107
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 4: I see that again.

1108
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 5: I think there might have been some very upfront with

1109
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 5: the physicians everybody to negotiate and say, hey, going forward,

1110
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 5: Kenny's a veteran, he knows what's going on.

1111
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: We have great.

1112
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 5: Confidence in him. He doesn't need to be out there

1113
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 5: on Wednesday. That's one way of looking at that, and

1114
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 5: just saying from the standpoint of the history of soft

1115
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 5: tissue injuries across time, when my whole career of dealing

1116
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 5: with athletes, I was begging coaches at times to give

1117
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 5: guys less reps and sometimes we got it done, sometimes

1118
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: we didn't. And there's all kinds of factors that go

1119
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 5: into that age experience. You know, you need numbers for

1120
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 5: a practice, all those kinds of things, and so this

1121
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 5: just my my gut tells me that this was partially negotiated,

1122
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 5: pre planned day off as well as HM, maybe it

1123
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 5: just doesn't feel perfect to Kenny.

1124
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: Ralph Reef is our guest. Let's go to the hamstring,

1125
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: you know TJ McConnell, for example, with a hamstring injury. Right,

1126
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: I assume basically what we're talking about with hamstring is

1127
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of the same sort of conversation is growing just

1128
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: like more on the backside. Is that a fair way

1129
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: of saying it.

1130
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, there's three big muscle. There's only three muscles

1131
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 5: in the hamstring, and the one that if you are

1132
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 5: standing up or you're sitting in a chair and you

1133
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 5: put your hand under the back of your leg and

1134
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 5: you pull your heel back towards the chair. The muscle

1135
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 5: you're going to feel is the biceps muscle, the biceps femmerist.

1136
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 5: That's the big bulky does ninety two percent of the

1137
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 5: work of flexing the knee, of stabilizing the pelvis when

1138
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 5: you go from a squatted position up, so when you.

1139
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 4: Accelerate that biceps.

1140
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 5: Femerists that is a big, important muscle that really has

1141
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 5: to work on its own. The two other muscles are

1142
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 5: there sort of riding shotgun but not doing.

1143
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: Much, so they're me the other two. Right, that's what

1144
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: we get, Audie, Right, that's me and Eddie. We're waiting

1145
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: for the big one to show up. That's the problem here, right, Ralph,

1146
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: you're the big one. Actually, Eddie and I are just

1147
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: the two shotgun riders, right, is there whether it be?

1148
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because hamstring and growing to the

1149
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: two injuries we hear the most about typically in sport,

1150
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: and I was curious of this what injury of the

1151
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: injuries that we hear a lot about, what is the

1152
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: one from a training standpoint that can come with the

1153
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: largest variety of ways in which it could have happened.

1154
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: In other words, is there an injury that you look

1155
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: at it and you go, you tell me where what

1156
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: this guy's injury is, and then give me the game tape,

1157
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be able to immediately say, Yep,

1158
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: it's right there, because that movement right there is ninety

1159
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: five percent of the time. What causes it? What is

1160
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: the injury that has the widest variety where look, it

1161
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: would be impossible for me to know which play this

1162
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: happened because it can happen from so many different areas.

1163
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to immediately jump to anterior knee pain.

1164
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 4: Pain on the.

1165
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 5: Front of the knee. It can happen so many different ways.

1166
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 5: It can be residual from an anti cruis ligament repair,

1167
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 5: surgical repair, and six months after the repair, you still

1168
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 5: got this lingering antior knee pain. Yet we know where

1169
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 5: it's coming from. He had he or she had surgery,

1170
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 5: But did it really come from that or did it

1171
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 5: come from a weakness in the quadricep? Did it come

1172
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 5: from weakness in the hamstrings, the calf, and so anterior

1173
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 5: knee pain is a mystery, and so we really take

1174
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 5: a lot of time to ask a lot of questions

1175
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 5: when somebody gets anti your knee paint runners running down

1176
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 5: the Monon, and I've said this before, all of a sudden,

1177
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 5: they're running down the Monon. Everything's been fine, and then

1178
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 5: we had big wins the.

1179
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: Last couple of days.

1180
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 5: So there might be a branch on the Monon trail

1181
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 5: and somebody just sort of takes a longer stride and

1182
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 5: jumps over it, and then three days later their anti

1183
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 5: your knee is painful going up and downstairsteps getting out

1184
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 5: of a car. So you got to trace that back.

1185
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 5: Was it truly from that incident of a longer stride?

1186
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 4: And we say, yep, that's what.

1187
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 5: Caused it, Well, why did it happen?

1188
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 4: And anti knee pain? And then we do all kinds

1189
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 4: of things.

1190
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 5: Might do injections of cortizone, you do anti inflammatory medicines,

1191
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 5: you do PRP injections, and none of that helps, and

1192
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 5: you get.

1193
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 4: This yoyo effect.

1194
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 5: It helps for a day or two, and then oh

1195
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 5: that discomforts back again. And so anti knee pain is

1196
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 5: the one that really I'd run as far away from

1197
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 5: that as I can. In dealing with athletic injuries stop

1198
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 5: really tough.

1199
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: When I was a kid who played basketball. Everybody, I

1200
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: mean everybody I was in eighth grade. Everybody want of

1201
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: the Converse weapons. Everybody wore high top basketball shoes.

1202
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1203
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: R Jordan's all of it, right. You don't see that really?

1204
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean I look at NBA games and virtually everyone

1205
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: is wearing you know, low top as we call them shoes.

1206
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have no idea if there are

1207
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: more ankle injuries today than there used to be sprained ankles,

1208
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: rolled ankles in the NBA. Was that a myth? I

1209
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: mean that in my mind, I was like, I have

1210
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: high top shoes, so therefore I'm never going to sprain

1211
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 1: my ankle. Now I did, granted, but is the ankle

1212
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: protected by high tops or is that a fashion deal?

1213
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 5: So it's not proven to be effective by research. So

1214
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 5: let's go back in time. So, as you mentioned you

1215
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 5: know about motorsports. Eventually, what people learn in IndyCar, it

1216
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 5: transitions eventually to the streetcar, right, the automobile you and

1217
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 5: I buy. Same thing happens in sports medicine. So in

1218
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 5: the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, high top shoes whether

1219
01:08:54,760 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 5: it's Pony or Converse or or Adidas high top shoes.

1220
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 4: Were the.

1221
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 5: Limited manner in which some support could be provided to

1222
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 5: the ankle. There weren't a lot of people taping ankles.

1223
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 5: Cloth wraps was a technique that was used, but you

1224
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 5: needed somebody else around to do that for you, right,

1225
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 5: And then ankle braces really weren't coming to any kind

1226
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 5: of of excellent level until the late eighties, and so

1227
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 5: that wasn't very long ago.

1228
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 4: Right, So those of us who've.

1229
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 5: Been around a little bit and put shoes on in

1230
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 5: the sixties, seventies and eighties, high top shoes was a

1231
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 5: pretty good idea for intermural basketball and so forth. Well,

1232
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 5: today we know that through research that the collar heights

1233
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 5: of the shoe, you know, and there's midcuts, there's low cuts, midcuts,

1234
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 5: high cuts, and so that collar height re does not

1235
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 5: it's not a reliable preventative measure.

1236
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 4: And so that's why I wouldn't call it a myth.

1237
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 5: It was absolutely the best thing we could do when

1238
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 5: that's all we knew.

1239
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: But now, like you said, I mean, now guys are

1240
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: going out and you know, you see aaron Ne Smith

1241
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: wearing his low cut shoes, he's got ankle tape and

1242
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff supporting his ankle underneath his socks, right,

1243
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean fair to.

1244
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,440
Speaker 5: Say well, and I would almost guarantee that Aaron Nesmith

1245
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 5: and just pick four hundred and fifty other NBA players

1246
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 5: behind the scenes that you don't see. They're barefooted doing

1247
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 5: single leg balance movements. They're getting on balance items too

1248
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 5: that are unstable. That they're working their lateral and medial

1249
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 5: in front and back motion in a very controlled environment

1250
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 5: to work the neurologic.

1251
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 4: Components of that.

1252
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 5: These are all things we've learned over time, Jake that

1253
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 5: if I were to tell your audience, hey, what's one

1254
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 5: thing I can do for my eleven year old daughter

1255
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 5: who's playing basketball in middle school, I would say, have

1256
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 5: them stand single leg, barefooted on carpet and hold that

1257
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 5: balance as long as they can and then switch to.

1258
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 4: The other leg.

1259
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: Spend thirty minutes today being a flamingo, Right.

1260
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 5: It does not take thirty minutes balance balances. You can

1261
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 5: activate it pretty quickly. You spend a thirty seconds single

1262
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 5: leg stance and then you go up on your to

1263
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 5: there's off. So my point is we now have exercises,

1264
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 5: we know what can be done. So when you talk

1265
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 5: about the NBA player the collegiate players, our strength coaches

1266
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 5: at Butler, along with our athletic training staff, we spent

1267
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 5: a lot of time throughout the year working on ankle mobility,

1268
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 5: big toe strength and mobility, all to prevent ankle sprains.

1269
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: Ralph, the fair assumption. One thing that we know in sport,

1270
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: there are always going to be other injuries that pop up,

1271
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: and therefore I would love to have you back on

1272
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: the program perhaps next week to go over those as well,

1273
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: and also just to let everybody know that I'm gonna

1274
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: wear my Adida's top ten high tops now simply for

1275
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: fashionable purpose, right, But we appreciate the time as always, Ralph.

1276
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 4: What else's my pleasure, Jake?

1277
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Ralph Reef joining us again, Java House,

1278
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: Peel and Port guest line. I smell in the air.

1279
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: I smell it in the air. Yes, in fact it

1280
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: is autumn. Yes, in fact the leaves look beautiful. Yes,

1281
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: in fact there's a crisp feel to it. But I

1282
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: smell bleach as well. I do, And now I know

1283
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: why because I'm looking over to the side and we'll

1284
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: explain next. You know, I've mentioned before surfside, which we love,

1285
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: surfside and thank you to Ralph Reef. Surfside is sunshine

1286
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: and you know sunset stripes on the can, but sunshine

1287
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: in a can basically anytime you have a surfside. And

1288
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: the same is actually true of Eddie White's hair. It

1289
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: is like sunshine. I mean the and I know it's

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: a natural glow, the blonde hue. That is the dome

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Speaker 1: of Eddie White.

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Speaker 6: What are you doing in my chair?

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: You broke this one, I heard, and but that's my chair.

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 6: Okay, well tonight it will be hey, let me say

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01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 6: something first. Eddie White, by the way, he is in

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Speaker 6: the studio. I was listening to you guys with Ralph Reef.

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Speaker 6: That is a phenomenal segment. That was a great interview.

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01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 6: He talks to us so we could understand what he's

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 6: talking about. And I do you remember when he and

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 6: Anthony Calhoun used to do the Butler Games. Yeah, they

1301
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 6: had They were really good together. They had a great chemistry.

1302
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 6: They had that chemistry that you and Eddie are still

1303
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 6: trying to develop. You know, really they were really really

1304
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 6: good together.

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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, you had to get my zingarette before you

1306
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: kill this thing, Eddie, Eddie White. That that I enjoy

1307
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: about Ralph, to your point, I do think it is

1308
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: so important for parents that have kids because everyone's kids

1309
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: now are playing and Eddie, it's so different than I know,

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01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know this is a parent, is the

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01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: husband of a coach. You have kids now that are

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: playing year round sports. I mean, if you're a basketball player,

1313
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: you're not just basketball player now in the winter time.

1314
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: You're playing year round. And one of the things I

1315
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: think is important as well. Part of it, not just

1316
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: from a competitive standpoint, but also from a balance of

1317
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: body standpoint is I think we still need to get

1318
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: kids playing multiple sports instead of specifying one.

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01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 6: Jack Doyle was on your morning show today and he

1320
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 6: said something about a line that I've heard a million times, Samlion.

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 6: People play as many sports as you can, for as

1322
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 6: long as you can. And as a father of a

1323
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 6: son who we went through the whole thing, that's stuff

1324
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 6: sent me about the Carmel Dad's Club. I mean, at

1325
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 6: eight nine years old, these men are telling me I

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 6: have to pick one sport and one position for my son.

1327
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 6: For every rajiv Ram, there's probably ten thousand kids at

1328
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 6: Carmel who who played tennis and then didn't play again,

1329
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 6: maybe after high school.

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that I always find fascinating. And

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: when I ask this, like a lot of questions I ask,

1332
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: people say that's the dumbest thing this guy just asked,

1333
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: and then you hear the answer and you go, well,

1334
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: wait a minute. And that is I ask professional athletes often, hey,

1335
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: what was your favorite sport growing up? And Eddie, I

1336
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: kid you not, probably less than fifty percent of the time.

1337
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: Is it the sport that they're getting paid to play?

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You talk? I would bet

1339
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: you you know, Tim Duncan was an unbelievable basketball player

1340
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: because of his footwork that was built for him playing soccer,

1341
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, range of motion through swimming and

1342
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: whatever else. I would bet you that there are guys

1343
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: on the Pacers roster right now that, if you asked him,

1344
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: would say they actually baseball or football was their favorite sport, right.

1345
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 6: Jack Doyle this morning said his favorite sport was basketball.

1346
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 6: Elij you want to always said his sport favorite sport

1347
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 6: was soccer. Caitlyn Clarkas said her favorite sport is soccer.

1348
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 6: So you're you're one hundred percent right, So why should

1349
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 6: we at nine years old tell a kid you could

1350
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 6: only play first base elieah, and we only this is

1351
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 6: what I was told when mysel was eight or nine,

1352
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 6: h our face. All of our first basemen are left handers.

1353
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 6: That's how we do it. And I said the guy,

1354
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 6: wait a minute. I went to the All Star Game

1355
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 6: last year. That's when I had three of each, and

1356
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 6: I said, there was There was six first basemen in

1357
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 6: the Major League Baseball Star Game. Five of them were

1358
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 6: right handers. So it is major League Baseball right? Or

1359
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 6: is the Carmel Dad's Club right? And you know, play

1360
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 6: as many sports as you can, try different positions and

1361
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 6: just have fun. And you're right, because these bodies are

1362
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 6: still growing and you need And what kills me and

1363
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 6: this just drive my wife crazy is there's kids that

1364
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 6: girls that play soccer. They play club, then they play

1365
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 6: high school and when their high school season ends, she'd

1366
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 6: had a state championship game that following Wednesday. Her kids

1367
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 6: were already playing club. And she said, when do you rest,

1368
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 6: No wonder you're doing MCLs and acls. You've got to

1369
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 6: shut it down and rest and play other sports and

1370
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 6: let the let the body grow and let the bones develop.

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01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: You know that Baked Tilapia at mcl is fabulous though,

1372
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: and then you get a centimon roll afterwards. Awesome. Okay,

1373
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: let's talk about the pace. Okay, so you got time

1374
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: to stick around real quick? Yeah, yea, yeah, okay, because

1375
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: we have here's the thing. We have a couple of

1376
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: things that people need to know if they're going to

1377
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: the game tonight, including one way they're going to look great,

1378
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: which I need all the help in that I can

1379
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: get in that regard, and then number two something that

1380
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: I think is going to be like the most important

1381
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: two to three minutes of the season for the Pacers tonight.

1382
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: And I want to get to both of those with

1383
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: you if you've got time to stick around, absolutely all right,

1384
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: Eddie White's with us. We'll get to that next. Eddie

1385
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: White has brought goodies, as he usually does from the Pacers.

1386
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a second. Before we do,

1387
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention again, and yes, I'm using a

1388
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: little bit of an exaggeration when I say the most

1389
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: important two to three minutes for the Pacers season, but

1390
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: for the fans tonight will be special because it will

1391
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: be and I know we can sit here and go

1392
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: back with business history and wonder about but you know,

1393
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: they will recognize the fact that the Indiana Pacers are

1394
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: the reigning Eastern Conference champions, and rightly so, that will

1395
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: be celebrated. It's the first time that we have been

1396
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: able to gather as a group of you know, as

1397
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: Pacer fans and whatever else in that arena sense that

1398
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: incredible run that took place. But in addition to that,

1399
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: and I hope that people are aware of this, I

1400
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: hope that people stop for a second just to think

1401
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: about it. But I've mentioned many many times that there

1402
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: are several people in the lore and the history and

1403
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, the foundation of sports in this city that

1404
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: have been major pillars. And yes, there are others that

1405
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: might have been as important. I don't know that there

1406
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: are any that were more important than what Nancy Leonard

1407
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: did for the solidarity of the Pacers franchise transitioning from

1408
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: the ABA into the NBA, both from a financial and

1409
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: also just a viability standpoint, and then that facilitating towards

1410
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: everything that we talk about today the Lucas Oil Stadium,

1411
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: because of the fact that the cults are here, and

1412
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl's been here and Final Fours have been here,

1413
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: all of that can be traced back to this city

1414
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: being able to show that it can be a professional,

1415
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: big league sports city and that is largely facilitated by

1416
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: the vision and the execution of Nancy Leonard. So tonight

1417
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 1: there's going to be a very important period of time

1418
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: where Nancy Leonard will be honored before the game at

1419
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: Gambridge field House. And then after she is honored and

1420
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,959
Speaker 1: then a moment of silence is given to recognize her passing,

1421
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: then a standing ovation for everybody inside of that field

1422
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: house to represent everybody within this city and fan base

1423
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: of a thank you for what this city owes to

1424
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: what she did. That is a very important thing for

1425
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: so many people within that organization. That is going to

1426
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: take place tonight, and then the game gets underway, and

1427
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: that means the season kicks off, and Eddie, you have

1428
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: brought gifts to commemorate exactly that.

1429
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 6: We have some First of all, some cake pops for

1430
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 6: you and Eddie to devour and make sure there's enough there.

1431
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 6: You could take some home to Shannon and Eddie can

1432
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 6: say take some home to your squeeze and then make

1433
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 6: sure they have some squeeze. But the first five thousand

1434
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 6: people that come tonight, we'll get these navy blue Pacers

1435
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 6: bucket hat and you look good in the bucket had Jake.

1436
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 6: I'll tell you you look good. I could see you

1437
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 6: walk around Brussels in that.

1438
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: You look good. It's the oasis fan of me right there.

1439
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not going with you on that one. To

1440
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 6: add to what your thoughts about Nancy Leonard, and it

1441
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 6: was so well said she had the idea for that telethon.

1442
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: You can have idea.

1443
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 6: You and I came out with an idea right now

1444
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 6: to try and make millions, and it doesn't work, doesn't

1445
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 6: get we don't execute it. Well, she had the idea,

1446
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 6: the city executed it with her and a whole bunch

1447
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 6: of people, and that led to you guys be talking

1448
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 6: sports today and the Pacers, the Fever, the Colts, the NCAA.

1449
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: All that stuff.

1450
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 6: If she doesn't have that idea, my god, I don't

1451
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 6: want to think, yeah, we have here and that she

1452
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 6: certainly you know there's that wall by the morris By

1453
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 6: Centennial Plaza that it has all the people who have

1454
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 6: passed who've made imprints on the state of Indiana. People

1455
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 6: have passed recently, like Jim Mersey and Nancy Soon both

1456
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 6: of their faces should be added to that wall.

1457
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously there are those like I mentioned.

1458
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: You know, you can go back Eddie, And I mean

1459
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: so many avenues of this do go through the Pacers themselves.

1460
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean Jim Morris, you know, having the vision of

1461
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: the city itself, and you know, and then Dick Luger

1462
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: and Market Square Arena and moving in and of course

1463
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: the Simons we know, I mean many of them, but yes,

1464
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: and the anomaly at the time for a female executive

1465
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: within sports, I mean that alone, right to to to

1466
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: be able to stand up and overcome probably many of

1467
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: the stereotypes that took place there. I mean, just an

1468
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: absolute giant within this community.

1469
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 6: Every Tayte the story she told me once about when

1470
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 6: she was really young up in South ben You know,

1471
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 6: her dad was in the baseball and some other things,

1472
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 6: and these traveling baseball teams used to come through and

1473
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 6: her dad was involved in it. And as one time,

1474
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 6: this African American player was coming through to play and

1475
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 6: the hotels in South Bend would not allow him to

1476
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 6: stay at the hotel. So Nancy said that my dad said,

1477
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 6: were you going to stay with us? So this guy,

1478
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 6: for like three four nights stayed with them, had dinner,

1479
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 6: they played cards, they listened to music. That guy was

1480
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 6: Jesse Owens. Really yeah, yeah, they told me that.

1481
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: To start. I couldn't believe it.

1482
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 6: She was just a I mean, you knew her well,

1483
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 6: you always sat next door at the games, and she

1484
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 6: was just a wonderful person. And they were like the

1485
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 6: perfect mix because they were not alike. You know, Slick

1486
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 6: was the crazy little tic, you know, a crazy guy

1487
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 6: from from Tarot Hate and she was this sweetheart from

1488
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 6: South Bend. And you know, they met in that classroom

1489
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 6: in Bloomington and the rest is history.

1490
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: And I say this, Edie, this can be misconstrued. I

1491
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: hope it is not. So I say this like flippantly,

1492
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: but I don't know what other were to use to

1493
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: say it. Nancy Leonard was the one person that Slick Leonard,

1494
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: deep down, like I'm not gonna say, was afraid of,

1495
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: but like knew that he had to fall in line

1496
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: with right absolutely.

1497
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 6: I mean what I mean, like his last ten fifteen years,

1498
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 6: anyone's supposed to smoke, but you know, in the you know,

1499
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 6: not the last five years of his life, but made

1500
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 6: ten years before that, he would sneak out in that

1501
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 6: smoking area meet Darnell and he'd sneak a cigarette and

1502
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 6: then later on he'd have to hide him around the

1503
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 6: house and she would find it behind, like an old

1504
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 6: IU basketball in his trophy case. Bob, what is this?

1505
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 6: I think that's Nettles.

1506
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: He was here last week.

1507
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 7: She knew it was his.

1508
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 6: But you know, yeah, you're right. You always fall in line.

1509
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 6: I mean, you do it, Sheana tells you. I mean

1510
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 6: you could sit here and tell me, Oh, no, I don't.

1511
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 6: I know for a fact you fall in line. So

1512
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 6: don't blame me. No, we both out kicked our coverage. Absolutely, no, no, no,

1513
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 6: you follow orders.

1514
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: Hey, what most excites you about this season? From the

1515
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: pacer standpoint? I mean, obviously last year was special and

1516
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to not then have to remind yourself you've

1517
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: got to temper it a little bit this year. But

1518
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: what excites you? That's a great question.

1519
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 6: You alwaysh I had a dollar for every time you

1520
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 6: interview somebody and they say, hey, that's a good question.

1521
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 6: I've never been asked that, So that's a tip of

1522
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 6: the hat. You know, I'm not gonna saying nice about

1523
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 6: the bucket head, and tip of the bucket head. I

1524
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 6: think it's just it could have been around so long

1525
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 6: to see who steps up, because obviously there's there's holes

1526
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 6: to fill. There's Miles Turner's hole and of course the

1527
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 6: Halliburton hole. But who steps up either to fill the

1528
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 6: void for points leadership? You know, if we lose seven

1529
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 6: in a row, who's going to be that person that

1530
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 6: kind of becomes the leader. Haliburton is still going to

1531
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 6: be there, I mean, he'll still be vocal, But I mean,

1532
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 6: who's the person, you know, is it does mather and

1533
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 6: have that that year that we all think he maybe

1534
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 6: is capable of having? You know, is one of the guards?

1535
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 6: Is it one of the big men? You know, there's

1536
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 6: you know, there's does Jackson have a great year? I

1537
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 6: don't know, it's I think that's what I'm most looking

1538
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 6: forward to is to see who steps up to make

1539
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 6: us the most competitive team we can be.

1540
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: By the way, this chair in the studio here, people

1541
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: can't see it. Eddie White is joining us here in studio,

1542
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: and there are three chairs in the studio. It's basically

1543
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: a half circle, you know, desk here that we sit on,

1544
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: and the middle seat that I normally will put things

1545
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: in is completely broken. I mean it's it's I mean

1546
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: it needs to go in the trash. And Eddie Garrison,

1547
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: you were telling me the word on the street is

1548
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: that this is a result of Eddie White. Correct, that's

1549
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: what I heard.

1550
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fake news. It's absolutely fake news. I think

1551
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 6: it's the leftover maybe from the stays Niak ears.

1552
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: But it's not. Now, let me ask a question.

1553
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 6: You mentioned the three chairs that you use, one for

1554
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 6: storage and the other if you have a guest like

1555
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 6: me at one for un course, Eddie has says, what

1556
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 6: do you do for the morning show?

1557
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: They bring in bleachers? I mean where they put.

1558
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 6: Those ten thousand people for you know, the morning show.

1559
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,959
Speaker 6: They have like nine hundred people on it, bleachers the ucas.

1560
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: So oil, I mean where they put that. It's a

1561
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 1: peanut gallery, is what it is. It's certainly a gallery.

1562
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: It is exactly that. All right, So tonight tell me

1563
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: again the hats. Okay, the hats for the first five

1564
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: thousand people. Remember the start of the ball game. Usually

1565
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: we started seven tonight. It's seven thirty. Doors open at

1566
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: six thirty. There'll be stuff going on outside of the

1567
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: morris By Centennial Plaza about fourish, and you're right being

1568
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: your seat early because not only the acknowledgement of the

1569
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference championship, but the special celebration for Nancy Leonard.

1570
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be it's it's ESPN's in the house.

1571
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: Of course, Quinn, JJ and Chris will be on the call,

1572
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: and of course Mark Boyle thirty eighth year teaming up

1573
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: again with with Eddie Gill Pat Boyle want to have

1574
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: the pregame here at seven o'clock and of course when

1575
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: it's all done, the two Eddies, mister Garrison, mister White,

1576
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: we come together to present the world's greatest postgame show,

1577
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: that being Pacers Overtime. Now that that postgame show usually

1578
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: you're energetic on that.

1579
01:26:55,240 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 6: Right, sometimes kind of an introvert, kind of a Hello,

1580
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 6: flat line type personality, so sometimes I turn it up.

1581
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, everything getting underway tonight for the

1582
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: Pacers at Oklahoma City. Eddie appreciate the time, as always

1583
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 1: appreciate the always going to.

1584
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 6: See it and I meant that that was one hell

1585
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 6: of an interview with mister Reef.

1586
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: That Ralph Freef. Indeed, that will be up in the podcast.

1587
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,560
Speaker 1: We asked that you wait till after John Show to

1588
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: of course listen to that because we want you listening

1589
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: to the program and then you can listen to the

1590
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: game tonight too, So whenever you can fit that in,

1591
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 1: but appreciate it very much. We come back. It has

1592
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: been a busy day of news in the NBA. We

1593
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: will get back into that and then Matt Taylor going

1594
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: to join us. He does that in thirty five Here

1595
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: Quarry and Company on the fan. Fabulous song and seeing

1596
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:46,480
Speaker 1: Richard Ashcroft perform it live was awesome. It is a Thursday.

1597
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: How are you? My name is Jack Quarry, Eddie Garrison

1598
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: the other voice you hear on this pillow Bram We

1599
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: call it Quarry and Company here on ninety three five

1600
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: and one zero seven to five the fan couple of

1601
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: quick I'm doing well with brimming notes. How are you?

1602
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm well, Thank you. I look forward to tonight for

1603
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: the game, and then of course on Sunday the Colts

1604
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: and Tennessee Titans. Matt Taylor going to join us voice

1605
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: of the Colts in about twenty five minutes, but the

1606
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: game will be heard on our sister station ninety seven

1607
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: to one Hank FM. That is be the ride to

1608
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: kick off with jamb and the Colts pregame huddle will

1609
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: be on that station, but also right here on the fans,

1610
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: so you will be able to hear the pregame coverage

1611
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: as normal here on the fan. Then once the game

1612
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: kicks off, you'll want to go to our sister station,

1613
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: Hank FM. That is because the Colts game, keep in mind,

1614
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: on Sunday is a four to twenty five kick at

1615
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: six point thirty the Pacers in Minnesota Timberwolves can be

1616
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: heard with Mark Boyle, Eddie, Gail pat Boilin right here

1617
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: on this radio station on the fan at six thirty

1618
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: sou Colts game Hank FM, Pacer Game the Fan pregame

1619
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: both easiest way to say it, the big news today

1620
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: in sport. And let's get back into this. And it

1621
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: is a story that not only has webs that spawn

1622
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: off of it in multiple directions, but in addition to that,

1623
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: I think it is entirely possible that what we are

1624
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: seeing is just the beginning of this story. But we

1625
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: shall see. But let's go back to and I'm just

1626
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: going to speak generically in terms of time frame here,

1627
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: but I believe it was last season when you had

1628
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: a player for the Toronto Raptors, John Jay Porter, who

1629
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: was not a mainline player, a very auxiliary player in

1630
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: the NBA, but was being investigated for involvement within sports

1631
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: gambling on what's called a prop bet. And for those

1632
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: that are unfamiliar, and I would think it's a small percentage,

1633
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: but that is yes, you can always go and just

1634
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: simply say, hey, I think Team A will win the

1635
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: game over Team B, and I'm gonna put fifty dollars

1636
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: down on that. That would be the money line within

1637
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: that game itself. There are other things that you can

1638
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: bet on. I believe that Smith will have more than

1639
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: fifty yards rushing, I believe that Johnson will have fewer

1640
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: than twenty points, et cetera. Those are prop bets and

1641
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: in the case of Johntay Porter there were, and a

1642
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: lot of times this is what happens. A lot of times,

1643
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: the whistle gets blown on this because suddenly there is

1644
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: a huge amount of activity of wagering taking place on

1645
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: the prop bet of a very small player or a

1646
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: player that doesn't typically have a lot of money that

1647
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: is placed on them, and then all of a sudden,

1648
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, it's like, well, wait a minute, you know,

1649
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: forty seven times the number of bets that normally take

1650
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: place with this player now is suddenly coming in. There's

1651
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand you right, And so that's what sets

1652
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: off alarms. And in that particular case, it was number

1653
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: of minutes that he would play in a game and

1654
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: and then he took himself out of a game with

1655
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: an apparent or alleged injury. That began an investigation of

1656
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: gambling and wrongdoing within the NBA internationally, or now I

1657
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: should say nationally speaking. Today a year long investigation of

1658
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: gambling in basketball was it led to the arrest of

1659
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: three different figures within the NBA. This was done by

1660
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: the FBI. And this is not to say that these

1661
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: three players are all involved within the same scope of wrongdoing.

1662
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: So these are different investigations and alley gations. We will

1663
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: begin with Chauncey Billups, who is the head coach of

1664
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 1: the Portland Trailblazers and of course was a great player

1665
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: for the Detroit Pistons. Chauncey Billups was today arrested for

1666
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: connection to a ring of fraud that takes place or

1667
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: has been taking place, allegedly involving illegal poker gambling. And

1668
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups was apparently involved with this and that illegal

1669
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: poker gambling ring is facilitated by allegedly or connected to

1670
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 1: organized crime and the mafia, and the FBI, in their

1671
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: range of arrests, arrested Chauncey Billups. In addition to that, today,

1672
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: the following two individuals were arrested by the FBI. Damon Jones,

1673
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 1: who was a journeyman in the NBA. He was a

1674
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: ten year player and most recently, from a coaching standpoint,

1675
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: was a member of the assistant coaching staff of the

1676
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavaliers. He was arrested for lack of a better phrase,

1677
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: sharing info. So, in other words, he is alleged to

1678
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: have gone to people and said, you know, tonight, in

1679
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: this game, you should really pay attention to how few

1680
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: minutes so and so plays, or hey, so and so

1681
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: is hurt and so the guy you know. We don't

1682
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: know what the specific things were, but essentially he was

1683
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: arrested for providing inside information to those that would wager

1684
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: and gamble on games. Terry Rozier, who was a player

1685
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: for the Miami Heat. He spent the majority of his

1686
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: big payment years with the Charlotte Hornets because he got

1687
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: a big contract with them, was traded to Miami in

1688
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: January of twenty four. He has been additionally arrested by

1689
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: the FBI for having code defendants or co conspirators where

1690
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: he was giving them information. There is no direct, at

1691
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:17,440
Speaker 1: this time, to my knowledge, implication that he was himself

1692
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: altering games or throwing games. There have been, Interestingly enough,

1693
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: there was a video that was sent out on social

1694
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: media shortly after he got to Miami of a game

1695
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: where I mean, it does look like if you've ever

1696
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: seen the movie Blue Chips. In the movie Blue Chips,

1697
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: there is a player that was this is fictional, of course,

1698
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: that was charged with point shaving intentionally throwing games. And

1699
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,799
Speaker 1: in that they pull a video, They pull a game

1700
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: footage where he's coming down the floor and he trips

1701
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: and falls and the ball goes out of bounds or

1702
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: he throws the ball out of bounds. Someone a year

1703
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: ago had posted a thing of Terry Rozier, of all people,

1704
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: and it said I had no idea you can play

1705
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: this poorly in the NBA, and when you loo look

1706
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: at it, I'm like, this looks like the Blue Chips video.

1707
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: There has not been immediate link to Terry Rosier in

1708
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:11,640
Speaker 1: that regard what I'm saying, is this this leads.

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01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 2: To yes, Eddie on the Terry Rozier front, I just

1710
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure you're aware of this, and so

1711
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 2: is our listening audience. During the investigation, the FBI states

1712
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 2: that Terry Rozier told his co conspirators that he was

1713
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 2: going to leave a game early on March twenty third

1714
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three with an injury. In that game,

1715
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 2: Terry Rozier left after playing ten minutes. The defendants then

1716
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 2: placed more than two hundred thousand dollars of wagers on

1717
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 2: the unders for his prop bets, with Rosier leaving the

1718
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 2: game just after nine minutes. Those bets paid out tens

1719
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars in profits, and the defendants and

1720
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 2: Rosier counted the money in Terry Rozier's home.

1721
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so see that again. That flags it right because

1722
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: they're like, he let them know, you know, hey, here's

1723
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: an easy way for so. Yes, in that area, he

1724
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 1: is he is affecting to an extent the outcome of

1725
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 1: the game. But in terms of like is it you know,

1726
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: there was a game in Cleveland where, for example, he

1727
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: was three of fourteen from the floor and one of

1728
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: eight from three point range and like two air balls,

1729
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: and he had four turnovers that were pretty agreed. Just

1730
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is this that right there of Terry

1731
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: Rozier allegedly telling people, look, I'm going to play this

1732
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 1: number of minutes. Okay, the NBA and to a great extent,

1733
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,839
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I think ultimately it is my prediction

1734
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: this will bleed into other areas and other sports that

1735
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: investigations will take place. But the the NFL, the NBA,

1736
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:56,480
Speaker 1: major League Baseball, I understand it. I understand the partnership

1737
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: from a business and commerce standpoint with legalized game apps.

1738
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: I understand it. We work in sports talk radio. A

1739
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 1: large part of sponsorship of this radio station in this

1740
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: industry has been facilitated by those businesses. And it is true.

1741
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: We live in a free market enterprise. We live in

1742
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: a free country where, yes, there is addiction that can

1743
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 1: impact and adversely affect many many people when it comes

1744
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 1: to the access to legalized sports gambling. The same is

1745
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:40,560
Speaker 1: true of alcohol and other areas where the vast majority

1746
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: of people are able to enjoy and utilize those things

1747
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: without it adversely impacting or affecting their life. And then, unfortunately,

1748
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: other people have the gene of an illness that leads

1749
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: them to an addiction to it and it goes down

1750
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: the wrong path. But we live in a world where

1751
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: we don't forbid the majority of people because there are

1752
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: those that are negatively impacted. We can spend five hours

1753
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 1: over whether or not that should or should not be

1754
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: the case. That is the reality of the world that

1755
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: we live in. My point is simply this. The NBA,

1756
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, and other sports properties, the NCAA for that matter,

1757
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: they can and now will have to let all of

1758
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,719
Speaker 1: us know and preach to all of us and ask

1759
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: for all of us the understanding of the fact that

1760
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: the purity of their game is of the utmost importance,

1761
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: and that the integrity of their game is of the

1762
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: utmost importance, and that it is imperative that you, as

1763
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: a fan, you, as a ticking by a ticket buying member,

1764
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: know that what you are seeing before you is legitimate,

1765
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: unscripted competition amongst athletes. And I understand and I appreciate

1766
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:21,799
Speaker 1: that viewpoint and that the importance of that understanding. However,

1767
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: the difficulty and where we are now in twenty twenty

1768
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: five as a society is it is difficult for the

1769
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:35,759
Speaker 1: vast majority. I think I shouldn't say the vast majority.

1770
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: That's an unfair statement, But it is difficult for a

1771
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of people to take seriously leagues that publicly condemn

1772
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: this and publicly ask us to understand their integrity and

1773
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: their purity, while then at the same time promoting and

1774
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: hoping that you were able to watch the game that

1775
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: night on the fan duel television network, or you were

1776
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: able to enjoy the broadcast on the BET three to

1777
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: sixty five broadcast, or you're able to look at the

1778
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 1: scoreboard during the game brought to you by DraftKings. That

1779
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: is not to say that these businesses are bad. That

1780
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: is not to say that that partnership shouldn't be there.

1781
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: But these leagues have now allowed themselves, and they had

1782
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:29,440
Speaker 1: to know when the partnerships began, that they are allowing

1783
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 1: themselves to then let the fan base question the purity

1784
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: of their statement. They have put themselves in position now

1785
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: to know that eventually their credibility is going to be

1786
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 1: questioned by a large group of people that many of

1787
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:51,759
Speaker 1: which think already that the fix is in on games.

1788
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: People think that I'm not saying that's reality, but there

1789
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: is definitely that perception that is present, and it becomes

1790
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 1: increasingly difficult. And I don't know that anybody has the

1791
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: definitive answer as to what the proper line is here.

1792
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: But the other thing that comes into play is this.

1793
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 1: The NCAA yesterday announced that they are allowing Division one,

1794
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:20,560
Speaker 1: two and three athletes to gamble on other.

1795
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: Sports, professional sports specific.

1796
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: And that is that's fine, right. This is where that

1797
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: gets blurry. And I know for a fact this has happened.

1798
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: It's on record. There are programs in the past, college

1799
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:42,600
Speaker 1: programs that have been involved in point shaving scandals. And

1800
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: what you find out is it is not that there

1801
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: are rogue players that are saying, you know what, I

1802
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: don't like this school, I don't like my coach. I'm

1803
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna bring down the whole thing, baby, and I'm gonna

1804
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: get paid while I'm doing it. That's not exactly what happens.

1805
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: What happens is this, and believe me, this happens in

1806
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: the private sector, the public sector, all over the place.

1807
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: What you are doing by allowing Division one, two and

1808
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 1: three athletes people between the ages of eighteen and twenty two,

1809
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: I was a professional knucklehead at the age of eighteen

1810
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty. I was a knucklehead until I was like thirty.

1811
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: I made poor decisions. I wasn't a bad kid. I

1812
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: was a good kid that made bad decisions. And I

1813
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 1: think the vast majority of people between eighteen and twenty

1814
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 1: two that make bad decisions, they're probably good people. They

1815
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 1: just make bad decision that's part of growing up. But

1816
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: you have young people that you are now allowing to

1817
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: make wagers on their favorite professional sports team. Cool. Two

1818
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: things come into play. Number One, if they're a high

1819
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: level Division one athlete, there is the very high possibility

1820
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: that they have a former teammate or friend that is

1821
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: playing professionally and go, hey, I'm playing for State U.

1822
01:42:59,200 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm Braden Smith.

1823
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: If I had played you know, years with Zachy, Hey Zach,

1824
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to make yes.

1825
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to mention any specific names. I know

1826
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm the section here. I understand we're just using example here.

1827
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: But you you play at State U and you played

1828
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: with you played with Andy for four years, well not

1829
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: for four because Andy's a year ahead of you, but

1830
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 1: you play with Andy and Andy is now playing professionally

1831
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 1: for the you know whatever, the big city team and

1832
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 1: you talk to Andy all the time, and Andy goes, yeah,

1833
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, we got a game coming up, But dude,

1834
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: you should have seen it practice today. Johnson, he clearly

1835
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: is hurt. And they say he's gonna play and they're

1836
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: not telling anybody about it. But I'm telling you he

1837
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: ain't the same. Boom. Andy now goes and goes, I've

1838
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,639
Speaker 1: got information here. I'm gonna bet against Johnson or I'm

1839
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna bet against the team. Now. The other thing, that's

1840
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: area one where this becomes murky and slippery, right. Area

1841
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: two where it becomes murky and slippery, is this, you

1842
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: have a player, whether it be in the NBA or

1843
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 1: whether it be in college, that is within legality wagering

1844
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 1: on something. They're not bad people, they're making a bad

1845
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: decision on a bad wager they're making. They start to wager,

1846
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: and they start to get to a point where the

1847
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 1: losses now are financially impacting them. And now all of

1848
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 1: a sudden, life is different for them because they have debt,

1849
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 1: but they also within that debt, they now have have

1850
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 1: immediate access to impacting the result of the game.

1851
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 2: Exactly what happened with John tay Porter Jake is that allegedly,

1852
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 2: this Italian mafia comes in like, hey, I understand you

1853
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 2: have a lot of gamling debt. If you're playing to Iowa,

1854
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna do this correct, make not for the debt

1855
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 2: that you owe.

1856
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:04,639
Speaker 1: So I can tell you factually, there was a case

1857
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: of a college basketball program where one player on the team,

1858
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: independently of his teammates, got into a gambling debt. The

1859
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: bookie then says, you know what, you owe me a

1860
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of money. But if you don't have that money,

1861
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: we're going to go one of two ways with this.

1862
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 1: Will handle it the old fashioned way, or you pick

1863
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: three games and tell me which three games your team

1864
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 1: will not cover, and I will wipe the debt clean.

1865
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 1: And the player says, yes, thank you. That works. And

1866
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: then the bookie says, but it's not that easy. I

1867
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 1: can't trust off just one guy. So you need to

1868
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: conference call with me two of your teammates and have

1869
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: them verify that they will participate in this. This was

1870
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 1: an incident happened in Division one in the last thirty years,

1871
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: and that is not an anomaly, okay, And players got

1872
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 1: charged and everything else. So you have that area of

1873
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: it where you have people with access that don't start

1874
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 1: out with the wrong intention, but it goes in that direction,

1875
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: and then the wrong intention and illegality is what is

1876
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 1: seen as the quick fix to take care of it.

1877
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that comes in to play here,

1878
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: without a doubt, And all of it is slippery and

1879
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: murky for sure, And I don't know how exactly you

1880
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 1: police it moving forward. But when you look at the

1881
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: NFL and you look at the NBA, the NBA today

1882
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: issued a statement saying, the integrity of our game is

1883
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,640
Speaker 1: of the utmost importance. I'm paraphrasing the NFL. Why do

1884
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: you think the National Football League now requires teams to

1885
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,640
Speaker 1: put out an injury report? Why do you think the

1886
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 1: National Football League finds teams if they are not forthright

1887
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: in their injury report. The reason they do all of

1888
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: that is because the NFL is smart enough to know

1889
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 1: that a huge portion of the fan interest of their

1890
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: product is gambling, and they want to make sure that

1891
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: you know that when you gamble on your favorite team

1892
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,719
Speaker 1: that everything's on the up and up. So the irony

1893
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 1: here is that you have professional sports teams now that

1894
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: are condemning the possibility of wrongdoing of gambling because they

1895
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you are aware that there's

1896
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: purity within your bet. And they have put themselves in

1897
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: position to be scrutinized and questioned for the integrity of

1898
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,759
Speaker 1: those statements and of that line that they are trying

1899
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 1: to definitively draw for you because of their business commerce

1900
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 1: partnerships with all of these apps and with all of

1901
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: these businesses, and they had to know when they got

1902
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: into business with those apps, and it's everywhere now. I mean,

1903
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 1: you can't watch a game on television without seeing all

1904
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 1: kinds of prop bet possibilities and game line possibilities and

1905
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: apps and promotions and wager on this and you know,

1906
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 1: free free double your bet on this one, and free

1907
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 1: opportunity on this one, and fifty dollars credit here for

1908
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 1: sign up, and all of those things attached to these leagues.

1909
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 1: And what the teams have done then is taken and

1910
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: sold and I understand it, but they've taken a lot

1911
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 1: of money and the only thing so far that it

1912
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 1: has cost them is the trust to a percentage of

1913
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: people that they are telling the truth here when they

1914
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: are saying that they now want to make sure that

1915
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 1: they are like distance from it all, and I don't

1916
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: know where I think this if it wants to, I

1917
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,679
Speaker 1: think this investigation can go as deep and as far

1918
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: and as broad as it would like. And oftentimes, again

1919
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: it is people not of malice, but rather you know,

1920
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 1: are there bad apples out there? Sure of course yes,

1921
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: But you know, you start getting into organized crime involvement,

1922
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 1: and you start getting into the business association with gambling,

1923
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 1: apps involvement and all of that, and it becomes a

1924
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: very very slippery slope that at the same time involves

1925
01:49:55,080 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 1: some pretty sticky stuff. And you did almost know from

1926
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: the get go that this was Was there anybody that

1927
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 1: was stunned over this? That this is a headline and

1928
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: it's not.

1929
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 2: I think it's the nature of the Billups situation more

1930
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 2: so than it is with the Terry Rozier situation.

1931
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:17,600
Speaker 1: Because he's a head coach, or because it involves the

1932
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 1: mafia when he starts going to the term mafia.

1933
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 2: It's with the Italian mafia and the fact they went

1934
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 2: to these extreme measures of promoting like hey, come play

1935
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 2: poker with uh Damien or Damon Jones and indoor Chauncey Billups,

1936
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 2: and they would get all these people who have a

1937
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 2: ton of money to offer, and all these poker games

1938
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 2: with rigged with you know, rigged card shufflers, contact lenses

1939
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 2: that you can see like cars that were marked so

1940
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 2: you know what suit and what number it is, different

1941
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 2: sorts of glasses that you can see, X ray tables,

1942
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 2: the whole thing.

1943
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing where this gets and from young people,

1944
01:50:55,479 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: college athletes standpoint where it gets against slippery or professional athletes.

1945
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, when Michael Jordan was involved in gambling with

1946
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls, and yes, we can run down the

1947
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: theories till the cows come home about whether or not

1948
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 1: that meant he was suspended by the NBA, or whether

1949
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: or not that led to the unfortunate, you know, murder

1950
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: of his father. You know, there are all kinds of

1951
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 1: tentacles that you can go with with that. But the

1952
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: thing that I always felt was this, and this is

1953
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: where things also get dangerous. Even if professional players, professional

1954
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:41,599
Speaker 1: athletes that are making millions of dollars. Terry Rozier had

1955
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,560
Speaker 1: got a contract in Charlotte that I think was like

1956
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 1: ninety four million dollars or you know, some absurd amount

1957
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: of money. So if he's betting one hundred thousand bucks

1958
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: on some game, even if it's not an NBA game,

1959
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: and I don't mean on like an app like let's say,

1960
01:51:56,439 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 1: through an organized crime ring, okay, or you know, a

1961
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 1: bookie at his favorite watering hole, whatever it may be.

1962
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 1: When you start getting into that amount of money and

1963
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: you start talking about, like for example, within this ring

1964
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:19,600
Speaker 1: as it related to the Chauncey Billups situation, and you

1965
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 1: have somebody losing one point eight million dollars. Okay, one

1966
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 1: point eight million dollars might not be a lot of

1967
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: money in the grand scheme of things to a Chauncey Billups,

1968
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 1: but you can absolutely bet your rear end. It is

1969
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: to the person who lost it, and what becomes an

1970
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 1: issue as if it isn't already. But like in the

1971
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: case of Michael Jordan, what I always felt was when

1972
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 1: people said, who cares of Michael Jordan's betting fifty grand

1973
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: on a baseball game when he's making fifty million a year.

1974
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: I get it. Losing fifty grand is not a big

1975
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 1: deal to Michael Jordan, but it is to the person

1976
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: he owes that money to, and if he forgets it,

1977
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 1: if it slips his mind, pay it off. If he says, hey,

1978
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll get to that later because he's

1979
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: got ten thousand things going on. Then you get into

1980
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 1: a quagmire. And for a Division one athlete, for example,

1981
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 1: it may not mean a lot to Damon Jones of

1982
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars bet, but to the backup, to

1983
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:23,920
Speaker 1: the backup long snapper at State you that thinks that

1984
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 1: that has given money, and he bets five grand on it,

1985
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:28,719
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden he's down five grand.

1986
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 1: He knows he doesn't have the money, and he's like,

1987
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 1: how in the world am I going to make this up?

1988
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:36,920
Speaker 1: And then he finds out, for example, that Andy, his

1989
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: buddy that he played with a year ago, is now

1990
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 1: playing professionally and tells him about an injury. Nobody knows about.

1991
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: Can of worms, toothpaste out of the tube. And that's

1992
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: where we are. That's where we are. But the Colts

1993
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 1: do have a game. By the way, speaking back to

1994
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: what takes place on the field with the Tennessee Titans,

1995
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor's the voice of the Colts, joins us. Next,

1996
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: Tyler is the voice of the Colts, joins us on

1997
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,240
Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and Poor guest line. Colts and

1998
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: Titans coming up for twenty five. Keep in mind later

1999
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 1: kick on Sunday from Lucas Oil Stadium. Matt, let's get

2000
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: right to this. I thought yesterday and we had Ralph

2001
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: free Von earlier, we were talking about interesting that Kenny

2002
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: Moore did not practice yesterday with that achilles injury that

2003
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with. Where do things stand just in

2004
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: terms of who still we think may be of question

2005
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 1: on Sunday and who is now definitely a go.

2006
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely watching Kenny Moore. That's a big one. Samson

2007
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 8: Ebacom sounds like he's going to be week to week

2008
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 8: and I don't know what that means for Sunday, but

2009
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 8: you know, you put the week to week in front

2010
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 8: of his injury, it probably doesn't look good for the

2011
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 8: first week. I think that's probably a safe assumption, but

2012
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 8: we'll see. Taekwon Lewis probably gut wise has more of

2013
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 8: a chance to play on Sunday from the defensive end.

2014
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 8: He's listed as a day to day. Great signing. That

2015
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 8: are great signing. I should say that Ashton Doolan was

2016
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 8: back to practice. Josh Downs was back there has been

2017
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 8: back to practice this week, but he still hasn't one

2018
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 8: hundred percent been cleared. But the fact that he's you know,

2019
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 8: taking these steps this week and is practicing, you know,

2020
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 8: especially late in the week here on Thursday, that's that's

2021
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 8: a good sign. But we'll see where that stands. But yeah, definitely, Uh,

2022
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 8: I think Kenny Moore is probably one of the bigger

2023
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 8: ones and Sampson evercom uh based on the severity of

2024
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 8: that injury. Hopefully it's not too long. But with him

2025
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:26,760
Speaker 8: on Sunday, it's it's probably not looking good.

2026
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 1: Did kennymore practice today?

2027
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 8: Uh, well, we don't know yet. We don't know yet

2028
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 8: the the injury report hasn't come out yet, so we're

2029
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 8: only out there the media, that is, we're only out

2030
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 8: there for a handful of minutes, you know, watching stretching

2031
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 8: in the early parts of uh team drill or a

2032
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 8: individual period. But you know what, we'll we'll see where

2033
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 8: he is. Hopefully he's got at least a limited participation

2034
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 8: on him, hopefully more than that. But you know, it's

2035
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 8: kind of funny, Jake. I mean, he played a ton

2036
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 8: of snaps last week and he had a eight tackles

2037
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 8: and he's coming off an achilles injury. I mean, just

2038
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,040
Speaker 8: that word is just so. I mean, it sends a

2039
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 8: lot of shivers down people's spine, you know, just because

2040
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 8: we're so triggered with high profile injuries in this market,

2041
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 8: getting the Achilles injury. So I wouldn't be surprised if

2042
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 8: they kind of take this approach the rest of the

2043
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 8: year based on the severity and just the type of

2044
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 8: injury that it is.

2045
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor's our guests, He's the voice of the Colts.

2046
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 1: He's on the Java House peeling poor guest line. Matt,

2047
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 1: the you know when you're talking about, for example, Josh

2048
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: downs in the protocol, and I want to make sure

2049
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm clear on my understanding here. When a player goes

2050
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 1: into concussion protocol, one of the things that is of note,

2051
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 1: and you tell me if I misunderstood this, it is

2052
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 1: an independent neurologist that then ultimately has the final say

2053
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 1: and clears the player. In other words, there is no

2054
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 1: chance that the team itself would try to accelerate a

2055
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 1: guy back. Do I have that correct?

2056
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 8: Yeah? That is correct. That's the last phase in the process.

2057
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 8: Usually doesn't happen until you know, Friday or Saturday before

2058
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 8: a game, just because they want that independent neurologist that

2059
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 8: you know that that works for the league that has

2060
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 8: you know, no no dog in the fight, you know,

2061
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 8: completely objective. You either can or you can't play based

2062
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 8: on what we see in your reaction times, and uh,

2063
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 8: you know the focused level that you have. That way,

2064
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 8: you know that the teams aren't being guilty of rushing

2065
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 8: a guy back and there's no you know, for lack

2066
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 8: of a better turn, there's no you know, responsibility on

2067
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 8: the team for rushing a guy back because it's not

2068
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 8: their decision. Anyways, Matt I.

2069
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:41,839
Speaker 1: Was saying earlier, and this is going to sound crazy,

2070
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 1: I realize, but I was saying earlier that I almost

2071
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: feel like this game might be the biggest coaching challenge

2072
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 1: so far of the year for Shane Steichen. And what

2073
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean by that is there's nothing about Tennessee that

2074
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: jumps out at you. You know, they're they're a regrouping team,

2075
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 1: they have a young quarterback, you know, a rookie quarterback

2076
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: that is feeling his way, They've made a coaching change,

2077
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: and so just trying to keep guys focused and get

2078
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 1: them engaged with the task at hand, I would think

2079
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: would be a challenge. Now, with that said, and I

2080
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 1: know they're pros, I get it right. But with that said,

2081
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: do you see any sort of variation to the way

2082
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken has approached or tried to keeping guys his

2083
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 1: guys for this particular week invested?

2084
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 8: No, I haven't. I mean it's a good question. I

2085
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 8: mean it's human nature. I mean, that's just it. I mean,

2086
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 8: we're all we're all just so conditioned to you know,

2087
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 8: feel good about ourselves when things are going well, and

2088
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 8: to have just a natural, you know, pad on the back,

2089
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 8: especially when you have a huge win. I thought that

2090
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 8: was a statement win. I thought that was a signature win.

2091
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 8: You know, most people don't believe in those, or some

2092
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 8: don't believe in those, but I mean you go on

2093
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 8: the road and you'd beat a pretty good Chargers team.

2094
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 8: They're four and two, and it was an upper echelon

2095
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 8: quarterback too. That's what it was. I mean, you be

2096
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 8: the guy like Justin Herbert at his place and you go,

2097
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 8: you know, sort of toe to toe with him offensively

2098
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 8: scoring points, and then you win by fourteen and the

2099
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 8: game really wasn't even that close. You just, you know, naturally,

2100
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 8: you're feeling good about yourself and to take you know

2101
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 8: what you're saying, maybe a step further sounds like the

2102
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:19,000
Speaker 8: Titans aren't gonna have well, I know they're not going

2103
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,839
Speaker 8: to have with jerryus sneed he was placed on IR

2104
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:24,800
Speaker 8: sounds like they there's a decent chance of them not

2105
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 8: having Jeffrey Simmons, who's their best player on defense. So

2106
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:31,120
Speaker 8: that that would, you would think, add even more to

2107
01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 8: the you know, possible complacency issue for the Colts. But no,

2108
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 8: I don't think they're seeing any of that. And I

2109
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:42,959
Speaker 8: think that's the responsibility of the head coach to continue

2110
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 8: to game plan, just continue to go about your processes.

2111
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 8: You know, this is what we do on Tuesday, This

2112
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 8: is what we this is how we attack Wednesday, Thursday

2113
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 8: and Friday and so on and so so so long

2114
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 8: and so so forth, I should say.

2115
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 4: And I think it's.

2116
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:57,640
Speaker 8: Hard to get out of that routine when you're just

2117
01:59:57,680 --> 02:00:00,680
Speaker 8: so conditioned. Uh, you know, when when every game in

2118
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 8: this league comes down to the last four minutes, you know,

2119
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 8: you don't take anything lightly. And I think the guys

2120
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 8: have the same mindset and approach this week as they did. Heck,

2121
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 8: you know three weeks ago, when they're getting ready to

2122
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 8: take on you know the Broncos, or you know the Rams,

2123
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 8: or you know, whatever the case is. I think the

2124
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 8: guys have the same focus and they're just as dialed

2125
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 8: in now despite a one in sixteen that's down some

2126
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:27,400
Speaker 8: key players, and I think that's a testament to the

2127
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 8: leadership they have in the locker room and their professionalism

2128
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:31,800
Speaker 8: that they bring with them every day.

2129
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,280
Speaker 1: Matt, I think the world of Justin Herbert, you know,

2130
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Speaker 1: I just think he's I really like his skill set.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is this, he had a porous offensive

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Speaker 1: line in front of him that was literally at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of its own depth with the attrition that the

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Speaker 1: Chargers have had, and yet the Colts didn't and they

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Speaker 1: did do a good job at times of getting him.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend like they didn't at all,

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Speaker 1: but but even still, it felt like that was the

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Speaker 1: ultimate lettingus test, and it again illuminated the Colts necessity

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Speaker 1: to address pass rush before you start getting into it,

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Speaker 1: in particular the postseason, when that becomes so important. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with that, Well, I mean, it is what

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Speaker 1: it is right now.

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Speaker 8: I mean you're right. I mean, you look at the numbers.

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Speaker 8: It's a high volume defense right now. But the point

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Speaker 8: total is pretty good, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: you know, points allowed is really what it's all about.

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Speaker 8: But you know, to your point, you know, I agree

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Speaker 8: with it. You can't ignore eight hundred and forty five

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Speaker 8: yards allowed in the last two games combined. You can't

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Speaker 8: ignore seven hundred and forty passing yards allowed in the

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Speaker 8: last two games combined. You can't ignore the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 8: you got three sacks last week, but they didn't come

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Speaker 8: until the fourth quarter. So you know, you look at

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Speaker 8: the pass rush numbers, the sacks and the pressures, they're

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Speaker 8: they're very respectable league wide. But if you go back

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Speaker 8: and you watch the games, I think that's what you're

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Speaker 8: alluding to. It's like you want to see more, you

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Speaker 8: want to see more consistency, You want to see it

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Speaker 8: show up in other parts of the game. And I

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Speaker 8: think with out Tarvarius war into the back end, and

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Speaker 8: you know, you're playing with guys like Jonathan Edwards and

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Speaker 8: Makai Blackman, who you give them a ton of respect over,

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Speaker 8: you know, just their roles, but you know everybody knows

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Speaker 8: these guys really weren't on the radar at the beginning

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Speaker 8: of training camp, especially Blackman, because he wasn't here, right,

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Speaker 8: They traded for him, uh, you know, right at the

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Speaker 8: end of the preseason because they need a depth. But

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Speaker 8: these guys are battling and they're scratching and klawn and again,

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Speaker 8: you got to give him a lot of respect. But

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Speaker 8: you know, until Ward comes back, you know, the secondary

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Speaker 8: is going to be you know, kind of you just

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Speaker 8: got to you gotta make it work. And lou Ana

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Speaker 8: Arrumo's doing a good job of, you know, throwing the

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Speaker 8: kitchen sink at these at these offenses, you know, trying

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Speaker 8: to gain some sort of advantage. Kenny Moore coming back

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Speaker 8: last week was really important. But you know that's I

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Speaker 8: think what this defense is going to be now until

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Speaker 8: they get some stability and you know, and also too,

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Speaker 8: you know, hopefully one of these guys up front like

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Speaker 8: a lot too, or you know, hopefully when Ebcom comes back,

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Speaker 8: or maybe it's Taekwon Lewis, if he gets more run,

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Speaker 8: one of these guys hopefully can turn into just like

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Speaker 8: a stud, you know, like a guy that's at the

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Speaker 8: end of the year going to be flirting with twelve

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Speaker 8: to fifteen sacks. I don't know, we'll see, but until then,

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Speaker 8: I think the defense is going to be just sort

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Speaker 8: of a game changing clutch playmaking defense right where they

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Speaker 8: maybe they give up yards.

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Speaker 1: In the you know, I get the fact, and you

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Speaker 1: know this, I mean chicking and neg theory. Can we

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Speaker 1: can we consider and discuss till the cows come home

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Speaker 1: whether or not pass rush, you know, leads to good

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Speaker 1: defensive coverage play, or if a good defensive backfield then

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Speaker 1: you know, necessitates for less time you need for a

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Speaker 1: pass rush, et cetera. The reality is this, when the

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Speaker 1: Colts were in their heyday, offensively speaking, Bill Pollion said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get two Bookends and Matthison Freeeney that

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Speaker 1: are going to go after the quarterback because I know

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Speaker 1: teams are going to have to throw against us for

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Speaker 1: the last two and a half quarters of a game

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Speaker 1: because we're going to get out to leads with Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning and people are going to be playing from behind.

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Speaker 1: And this offense, the way it's playing historically speaking, doing

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Speaker 1: things with efficiency that not even those offenses did, only

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Speaker 1: further shows the necessity to be able to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of the fact that teams are going to be throwing

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Speaker 1: against them. But we'll see if that happens coming up

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Speaker 1: on Sunday with the Tennessee Titans. Matt will be on

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Speaker 1: the call again for twenty five kick. You can hear

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Speaker 1: it on ninety seven point one our sister station, Hank FM. Matt,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always, man, and enjoy this weekend,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 8: All right, appreciate you guys, have a good week coming up.

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Speaker 1: All right. Matt Taylor, the voice of the Colts, joining

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Speaker 1: three one forty one. A number of things to discuss

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Speaker 1: today John Including. Yes, the Colt's getting set with Tennessee

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Speaker 1: and the Pacers obviously getting things underway.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I cannot wait. I'm actually going to the game tonight.

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Speaker 7: I know you're going to be there. I'm going to

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Speaker 7: go with Tommy Sutton, Tommy s from Coaches Tavern, and

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Speaker 7: we're unbeaten when we go to games together, at least

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Speaker 7: in the postseason. So cannot wait for that tonight. I

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Speaker 7: can't wait to see our good friend Jake Brooks. Barnheiser

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Speaker 7: is on that OKC team as a rookie. His dad's

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Speaker 7: a really good friend of mine. Lafiat Jeff Head coach,

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Speaker 7: used to be the head coach at Eastern Green, but

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Speaker 7: his son got some clock in that first game went

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Speaker 7: OKC in double overtime.

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Speaker 1: He's had a good preseason, right, Yes.

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Speaker 7: They like him a great deal, and Sam Presty liked him.

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Speaker 7: He was a hard target at Sam Presty for a

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Speaker 7: long time, even when he was going through that season

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Speaker 7: ending injury at Northwestern. He was a target of Sam

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Speaker 7: Presty for a while. I'm assuming when your target of

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Speaker 7: Sam Presty, sam Presty kind of knows what he's doing,

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Speaker 7: doesn't He Jake just kind.

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Speaker 1: Of It's so funny because if you look at OKC

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Speaker 1: and then let's say Philly. You know, Philly did the

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Speaker 1: same thing. They a matter of fact before Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: where they just loaded up on all these draft picks.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line is you got to hit on them, and

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Speaker 1: Philly it never came together. And with Oklahoma City, it's like,

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Speaker 1: good lord. Now did you watch last night? John? Did

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Speaker 1: you watch Webba Yama last night?

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Speaker 7: I did? Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do?

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Speaker 7: You all settled down with it? Though he's not going

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Speaker 7: he's great, don't get me wrong, but I think that

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Speaker 7: we'll all settle down. Not that that becomes normal, but

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Speaker 7: he is. He's really good. I just think that once,

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Speaker 7: you know, defenses will figure out a little bit more

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Speaker 7: and better teams than Dallas how to deal with them.

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Speaker 7: But he is spectacular. I didn't watch Milwaukee last night, Jake.

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Speaker 7: Did you happen to watch any of the game.

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Speaker 1: Well, I saw, you know, Miles had one of his

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Speaker 1: shot faking bribe dunks, but he also had some pretty

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Speaker 1: poorous attempts from the outside. Right.

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Speaker 7: His first shot as a Milwaukee Buck was an airball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 7: He went eleven and eight and had three blocks. The

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Speaker 7: thing that concerns me about the Pacers without him more

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Speaker 7: than anything, and the pacers are going to miss him,

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Speaker 7: is just his reputation and I'm meaning Jake, his reputation

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Speaker 7: on both ends that he can shoot and you have

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Speaker 7: to check him. You have to know where he is

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Speaker 7: on the floor offensively, and his reputation as a defender.

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Speaker 7: People always say, well, you know what, he doesn't block

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Speaker 7: shots like he did five years ago, but his reputation

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Speaker 7: is still there, and guys don't attack the rim or

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Speaker 7: the glass because he's there. Which this is one thing

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Speaker 7: you're going to notice. Teams are going to absolutely attack

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Speaker 7: the Pacers at the glass at the rim until further notice.

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Speaker 7: And that's a product of not having thirty three in him.

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Speaker 7: Loathe him, think he plays with legos and he's soft

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Speaker 7: or whatever. He is going to be a big time

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Speaker 7: missing piece for the screw.

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Speaker 1: And again I go back to he just was such

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Speaker 1: a high post facilitator of that offense and the way

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Speaker 1: that they would move the ball around and then he

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Speaker 1: could pop back out and hit. You know, say what

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Speaker 1: you want about the consistency with which he scored but

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Speaker 1: his ability to do it and facilitate Yah was very important,

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Speaker 1: no question. All right, John, we'll throw it out to

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Speaker 1: you in just a couple all right, you got Buddy

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Speaker 1: a qv again, Joe's Adam Brooks School road. Excuse me

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Speaker 1: up in Fisher's all right again? Tonight. A reminder if

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Speaker 1: you are going to the Pacer game, Yes, there will

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Speaker 1: be at about seven o'clock tonight is when they're going

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Speaker 1: to raise the banner for the Eastern Conference championship, and

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Speaker 1: then Nancy Leonard a standing ovation for her after a

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Speaker 1: moment of silence. That is just before the national anthem

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Speaker 1: taking place tonight. By the way I mentioned yesterday, I

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Speaker 1: kind of briefly threw it in there that you were

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Speaker 1: going to be excited if you go to the Indiana

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Speaker 1: game on Saturday and you're a fan of Indie, I

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Speaker 1: will simply tell you that the reigning Indy five hundred

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Speaker 1: champion and a two seater are probably involved, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: the Bison as well, which will be cool on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: More about that, I guess tomorrow. John's up next. I

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Quarum Company.