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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 2: This is the Second Amendment, and this is the gun.

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Speaker 3: Guy boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom

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Speaker 2: Bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: And good afternoon, and welcome to the Gunk Guys Show

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Speaker 4: on ninety three WIBC thrilled agree with us, and hey,

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Speaker 4: right off the bat, if you're looking for something to

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Speaker 4: do to raise money for a political candidate that I'm

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Speaker 4: excited about, and you'd like to go out maybe and

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Speaker 4: bust some sporting plays in the process. Michelle Davis, and

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Speaker 4: you may know that name. I've supported her a couple

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Speaker 4: of other fundraisers. Actually taught a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 4: over three years now. It taught some people some pistol lessons,

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Speaker 4: and then this most recent time we had a rifle lesson.

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Speaker 4: This was all part of a fundraiser, so that was

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Speaker 4: kind of cool, something completely Second Amendment related. But she's

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Speaker 4: now running for Senate and Senate District forty one. And

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Speaker 4: while I'll hate to lose her, in the House of

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Speaker 4: over to the Senate, and that's primarily because of who

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Speaker 4: if she's elected, she'd be replacing. Senator Greg Walker from

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Speaker 4: Columbus is the incumbenty. He's announced he's not seeking reelection.

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Speaker 4: But Greg Walker is a quote unquote Republican, but was

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Speaker 4: against us on constitutional care back in twenty twenty to

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Speaker 4: my favor certainly since then, and as several other Senate

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Speaker 4: Republicans have not for exactly the same reason. But to

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Speaker 4: replace Greg Walker in that Senate seat. Again, there's only

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Speaker 4: fifty of these folks in the whole state, and they

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Speaker 4: real Republicans, and in my view, given my political focus,

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Speaker 4: we need real Republicans that will advocate for support our

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Speaker 4: Second Amendment rights. That was not Greg Walker. It is

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Speaker 4: Michelle Davis, and for that reason I've been supporting her.

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Speaker 4: I went to her announcement here a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: which I think I talked about here on the show.

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Speaker 4: But if you're interested in shooting some sporting plays, you

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Speaker 4: can sign up. They can have a tournament out at

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Speaker 4: Indiana Gun Club. That's my home club. It's where I

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Speaker 4: like to shoot, and we just had a fundraiser out

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Speaker 4: there for Salvation Army a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to report my team won that. By the way,

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Speaker 4: I was not the high scorer on my team, I

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Speaker 4: have to admit, but we did. We did win that

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Speaker 4: by a somewhat substantial marching. But Michelle has just a

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Speaker 4: few teams and individual participant spots available. And if you'd

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Speaker 4: like to sign up for this, it's the sixteenth, which

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Speaker 4: is a Thursday. It's in the afternoon noon to three.

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Speaker 4: Primarily lunch is going to be included. But I have

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Speaker 4: posted the link on my Twitter just at Guy Relford

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Speaker 4: Twitter x as we're now calling it. I've posted the link.

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Speaker 4: I've also put on my Facebook at Guy Ralford as well.

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Speaker 4: If you want to go find it. It's secured dot

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Speaker 4: clays and you've got to hyphen eate friends of Michelle

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Speaker 4: If you want to go a little easier, I can

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Speaker 7: I've heard you talk before about being able to or

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC. So, as I mentioned, we've

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Speaker 5: Yeah, mister Elford, how are you.

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Speaker 4: Good, sir? You're doing all right?

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Speaker 4: but but yeah, and Gene, for folks who don't follow

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Speaker 4: me or you on Twitter, the GENA come up with

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Speaker 4: an idea that essentially thinking that tasers the police deploy

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Speaker 4: fairly often sometimes that are ineffective.

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Speaker 5: So Gene came ups like, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I've seen them. I've seen him be

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Speaker 4: very effective and very quickly. But it was the idea

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Speaker 4: of a one a new gauge of shotgun and eleven

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Speaker 4: gauge where it'd being over and under and you'd have

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Speaker 4: a rubber bullet in one chamber and a bean background

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Speaker 4: in another chamber, and a shorter barrel could be carried

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Speaker 4: on body like a taser. And Gene wanted to know

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Speaker 4: what I thought, and uh, and I kind of shot

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Speaker 4: him down a little bit that, Uh. The problems I had,

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Speaker 4: first of all, was a five inch barrel with an

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Speaker 4: eleven gauge, So you're talking about bigger than a twelve

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Speaker 4: gage the way gauges were, right, So it's going to

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Speaker 4: be a monster to shoot and five with a five

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Speaker 4: inch barrel, it's going to break your wrist and put

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Speaker 4: out a fireball, and it's not going to have enough

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Speaker 4: powder burn to generate much velocity. And you've already got

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Speaker 4: a less lethal round like a rubber bullet or a

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Speaker 4: bean bag and it's not Plus there are standoff distances.

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Speaker 4: I've had a case it's specifically involving a standoff distance

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Speaker 4: where a bean bag shotgun and it's a full length shotgun,

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Speaker 4: and a police officer used and one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: issues in the case was that he shot someone from

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Speaker 4: inside the standoff distance according to the prosecution, which was

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Speaker 4: excessive force according to the prosecution. I was defending the

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Speaker 4: police officer because the manufacturer said, whatever you do, don't

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Speaker 4: shoot anybody closer than twenty five feet with this bean background,

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Speaker 4: and he was well within that. So when you're using

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Speaker 4: a taser gene, you're typically you know, hands on or

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Speaker 4: close to it, or somebody's fleeing or resisting, but there's

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Speaker 4: still you know, a couple of arm lengths away. That's

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Speaker 4: when tasers get used a lot. And I'm sure rubber bullets,

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Speaker 4: by the way, have standoff distances too. I've not investigated

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Speaker 4: that as thoroughly, so you could even use it up

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Speaker 4: close to somebody, which kind of with a five inch barrel,

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Speaker 4: now you suddenly have a gun with no application. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: I didn't didn't mean to be negative. I just saw

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Speaker 4: more more minuses than pluses.

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Speaker 5: I get it. I'm glad you came up with them.

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Speaker 5: I escaped without them. Hey, I am also a customer

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Speaker 5: from you. You did some expungements from me. Oh cool,

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Speaker 5: And I'd just like to tell everybody that it was

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Speaker 5: so easy to do. I twittered you, you said, hey,

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Speaker 5: call me. I called you on my way home from work,

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Speaker 5: handled all my business over the internet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Never met you in my life. I still have never

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Speaker 5: met you. We got your records, Yeah, in three counties. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: three counties. I was a little wild when I was

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Speaker 5: young and not really intelligent.

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Speaker 4: You know, Gene, A lot of us were wild when

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Speaker 4: we were young. It just some of us got caught

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Speaker 4: more than the other. So I'm with you, but thank

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Speaker 4: you for the kind words. I did not pay Jean,

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Speaker 4: by the way to call in with that. But that's

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Speaker 4: a good example of where, well, you know, people got

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Speaker 4: into some thing a long, long time ago, they now regret.

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Speaker 4: They've now changed their life, they've turned their life around,

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Speaker 4: and that's what the expungement's all about. A lot of

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Speaker 4: a lot of people call the expungement statute the second

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Speaker 4: class or excuse me, second class, the second chance statute,

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Speaker 4: and that's exactly how I look at it. But you know,

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Speaker 4: the law says, specifically here in Indiana you know you

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Speaker 4: made some mistakes back when you've had a clean record

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Speaker 4: now for at least eight years for most felony convictions

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Speaker 4: and a lot of misdemeanors, it's five years, and and

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Speaker 4: you otherwise eligible. You paid all your fines, fees, court costs,

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Speaker 4: you got a clean record for the last X number

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Speaker 4: of years. Then hey, let's wipe that off your record

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Speaker 4: and let's restore your constitutional rights. That's why I always

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Speaker 4: say I enjoyed doing them because I really do. Well. Hey,

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Speaker 4: I haven't given you my prediction on what I think

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Speaker 4: is going to happen on this Hawaii case that's now

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Speaker 4: talking about Wolford versus Lopez. It's been accepted by the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court. We'll get into that and wrap up our

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Speaker 4: number one here of the Gun Guy Show. Hey, we've

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Speaker 4: had great callers so far, so give us a call,

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Speaker 4: join the discussion three one seven two three nine ninety

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Speaker 4: three ninety three. That's three one seven ninety three ninety three,

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Speaker 4: or jump on YouTube participate in the chat there as well.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: In the meantime, we'll be right back. This is Guy

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Speaker 4: Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Your rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC. So I have a lot

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Speaker 4: of confidence in what the Supreme Court is going to

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Speaker 4: do with his Wolford v. Lopez case that they just

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Speaker 4: accepted Sir shar rari on.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: Look, that's not going to come anytime soon. The way

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Speaker 4: that works is, UH, there's briefing, UH, there's scheduling of

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Speaker 4: or argument. There's then a long delay period while a

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Speaker 4: justice is writing an opinion. Sometimes they can sort of

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Speaker 4: punt on a case in the sense that they don't

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Speaker 4: rule on the merits. They can find something that needs

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Speaker 4: to be addressed at a lower court or kick it

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Speaker 4: back to the lower court for some finding that's necessary

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Speaker 4: for the Supreme Court to issue a substantive ruling, but

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Speaker 4: usually not, And if they're going to do that, they

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Speaker 4: typically don't accept sorcierrari to begin with. So it can happen.

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Speaker 4: But I'm expecting a substantive ruling on the merits on

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Speaker 4: this one, and I think it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: win for two way. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 4: a huge win in Hawaii because again, what they're doing

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Speaker 4: is they're nominally following the ruling in the Bruin decision,

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Speaker 4: but doing it kicking and screaming and doing everything they

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Speaker 4: can to completely gut any real meaning and effect of

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Speaker 4: that Bruined decision in Hawaii. Other words, if you're going

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Speaker 4: to if you have a fundamental right to carry a

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Speaker 4: handgun in public, as the Brewing decision says you do,

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Speaker 4: but any place you're going to go in public cannot

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Speaker 4: include any privately owned property unless you've got what a

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Speaker 4: letter in your pocket from the property owner saying it's okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean maybe if you have a favorite restaurant or

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Speaker 4: bar or local shop, then you know the owner and

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Speaker 4: you can get that express permission that's required by the

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Speaker 4: Hawaii statute, then okay as to those places, but hey,

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Speaker 4: don't go anywhere else because you're looking at going to jail.

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Speaker 4: It completely guts the right that Supreme Court says you

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Speaker 4: have to carry a gun in public. And that's obvious,

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Speaker 4: but that's what most of these states that had may

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Speaker 4: issue systems. I'm talking about New York, California, and New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: I believe Washington and Oregon Hawaii certain they're they're using

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Speaker 4: this language. And that's why the Supreme Court justices when

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Speaker 4: they write opinions, you know, when their clerks write drafts

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Speaker 4: and the justices finalize them, they have to be just

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Speaker 4: so damn careful about any explanation or any exception that

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Speaker 4: they throw in there, because lower courts, who are predisposed

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Speaker 4: to ignore the ruling of the Supreme Court or to

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Speaker 4: circumvent it in any way possible, we'll seize on any

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Speaker 4: language like that. And again that the fact that the

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Speaker 4: Court said, well, we're not saying that there's a right

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Speaker 4: to carry everywhere, because states can prohibit firearms in certain

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Speaker 4: firearms in certain sensitive places like schools. Okay, by finding

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Speaker 4: there's a constitutional right to carry a hand get in

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Speaker 4: public is not overturning the Gun Free School Zones Act.

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Speaker 4: And they wanted to say that, okay, makes sense, but

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Speaker 4: they didn't give any guidance on what exactly constitutes a

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Speaker 4: sensitive area where a state may ban firearms. And it

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Speaker 4: just gave one example if I recall the exact language

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Speaker 4: of the decision correctly, and I'll say you a perfect

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Speaker 4: example of the exact same thing, and that is when

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court in the Heller case that found for

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Speaker 4: the first time there is an individual right to bare

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Speaker 4: arms protected by the Second Amendment, not created, but protected

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Speaker 4: by the Second Amendment. Said a couple of things. Justice

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Speaker 4: Scalia said, well, this doesn't mean that everyone has a

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Speaker 4: right to carry any firearm they wish any gun anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Also said certain long standing prohibitions like saying felons can't

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Speaker 4: possess guns aren't meant to be overturned. And then they said,

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Speaker 4: and that certain classes of firearms, and they said most

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Speaker 4: useful for military the sixteen of the like, well, what

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Speaker 4: do you think courts did with that language? So well,

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Speaker 4: they are fifteen is kind of like in M sixteen.

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Speaker 4: So there you go. Now it's automatic versus semi automatic.

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Speaker 4: But nah, no big deal on that exact language, which

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Speaker 4: I don't think was meant to be particularly impactful by

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Speaker 4: Justice Scalia or the other justices who voted in favor

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Speaker 4: of that ruling. Boom then use to uphold and find

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Speaker 4: constitutional so called assault weapon bands all over the country.

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Speaker 4: So a little bit of language like that, and then

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Speaker 4: what do we need? Then we need another Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: decision to clarify what they meant with that language. Tell

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Speaker 4: you what we're coming up on the top of the hour.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take a break. Care will be back

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Speaker 4: for hour number two of The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 4: ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 3: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom

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Speaker 3: boom boom bang.

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Speaker 1: Bang bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back for hour number two of The Gun

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Speaker 4: Guy Show here on ninety three WIBC. Listen, you heard

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Speaker 4: from the WIBC newsroom. And I will certainly defer to

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Speaker 4: the professionals whose job it is to report news. But

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Speaker 4: there's been awful lot of commentary on social media and

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Speaker 4: I posted about this. I reposted a story by Fox

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Speaker 4: fifty nine early on, and then that got updated and

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Speaker 4: I reposted this. This is primarily on Facebook, but it

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Speaker 4: involves the stabbing and reportedly now the arrest of Mark Sanchez.

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Speaker 4: And listen, if you don't know who Mark Sanchez is,

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Speaker 4: he probably don't follow football real carefully, but he was

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Speaker 4: a USC quarterback on a really good USC team and

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Speaker 4: then was drafted in the first round of the NFL

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Speaker 4: draft by the Jets. Played there and then bounced around

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Speaker 4: quite a bit. He still has one of the all

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Speaker 4: time great blooper or not top ten clips that you're

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Speaker 4: ever going to see out there, which notoriously is known

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Speaker 4: as I believe I'm ninety nine percent sure this is

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Speaker 4: Mark Sanchez, known as the butt fumble, where he's running

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Speaker 4: the ball as quarterback and actually is kind of running

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Speaker 4: bent over pretty low and because he's stumbling a bit,

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Speaker 4: and then he runs into the back and or the

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Speaker 4: butt of one of his own offensive linemen, which knocks

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Speaker 4: him over backward and he fumbles the ball and the

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Speaker 4: other team picks the ball up and runs back for

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Speaker 4: a touchdown what they call it scoop and score. And

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Speaker 4: so he's got a lot of grief over that. He played.

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Speaker 4: Was in the NFL for a couple few different teams

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Speaker 4: over I believe ten years, so he was around. But

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Speaker 4: now he works for Fox Fox Sports and was in

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Speaker 4: town here in Indy to be part of the broadcast team.

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Speaker 4: He does color commentating commentating for Fox for the Colts

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Speaker 4: Raiders game Sunday at one o'clock. And the first news

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Speaker 4: I saw of this, and I saw it on social

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Speaker 4: media first, is that he was stabbed and people were

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Speaker 4: speculating that he was a victory of a robbery victim,

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Speaker 4: I should say, of a robbery downtown Indy. And my

647
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Speaker 4: first reaction, like a lot of people's, was oh, man,

648
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Speaker 4: what a black eye for Indianapolis. I mean, downtown obviously

649
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: has degraded significantly under the Hawkst administration. There's just no

650
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 4: question about that. The number of homeless people, and the

651
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: number of unsupervised teenagers, a lot of whom are illegally

652
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 4: carrying guns, a lot of whom use those guns and

653
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Speaker 4: do so right here downtown. And the number of downtown

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Speaker 4: shootings and other attacks we've had in the last number

655
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Speaker 4: of years, particularly in the last three or four, I think,

656
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Speaker 4: is to some degree gotten out of control. It's one

657
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Speaker 4: of the reasons a lot of us that come downtown regularly,

658
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Speaker 4: and I certainly do while I'm here every Monday for

659
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: Monday Gun Day on Hammer or Nigel. Although I can

660
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Speaker 4: call that in if necessary, we generally do it in

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Speaker 4: the studio, And obviously I'm down here on Saturday late

662
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Speaker 4: afternoon and evening to do my show, and then I'm

663
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Speaker 4: down going to the new Justice Center down I used

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Speaker 4: to which is down off the Southeastern now a little

665
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Speaker 4: way from downtown. But for years and years, I mean

666
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Speaker 4: for decades, came downtown to go to court in the

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Speaker 4: City County Building. So I'm down here a bunch. I

668
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: feel like Indianaposts to some degree is my city, even

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Speaker 4: though my office is in Carmel and I live in Scienceville,

670
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Speaker 4: because I'm down here all the time. I work down here,

671
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Speaker 4: and i have a job right here on the Circle

672
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Speaker 4: that I'm doing right now. And so watching the degradation

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Speaker 4: of downtown Indianapolis, it has just been sad to me.

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Speaker 4: And the number of homeless, crazy people wandering around and

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Speaker 4: relieving themselves on the sidewalks and passed out in doorways

676
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: and all of that is just concerning enough. But then

677
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Speaker 4: the amount of violent crime we've had. Hell, we had

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Speaker 4: one shooting where police estimated just down three hundred South Meridian,

679
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Speaker 4: I believe police estimated there were one hundred shots fire.

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Speaker 4: Remember this a hotel I believe was the Hampton End

681
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Speaker 4: down there had some bullets go through windows, and there

682
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Speaker 4: were a whole number of different individuals who were all

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Speaker 4: firing off shots. And that was three blocks off Washington Street,

684
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Speaker 4: four blocks from where I'm broadcasting from right now. So anyway,

685
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Speaker 4: I read this report Mark Sanchez, who was you know,

686
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: a bit of a B level celebrity, but a but

687
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: a celebrity, celebrity nonetheless in town to do an NFL

688
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: game to be broadcast on television and gets stabbed in

689
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Speaker 4: downtown indian This was reportedly around twelve thirty am Saturday

690
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Speaker 4: night or excuse me, Friday night. And uh, and it

691
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Speaker 4: was just outside low Miller's Pub, is what I'm now saying.

692
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Speaker 4: And so a lot most people thought this was a robbery,

693
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Speaker 4: and we thought, oh my god, what a black eye

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Speaker 4: for Indianapolis. And that was my comment. I didn't offer

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Speaker 4: any substantive analysis of what actually had happened and who

696
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: was at fall. I just said, this is not a

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Speaker 4: good look. I said, this is a horrible look for

698
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Speaker 4: Indianapolis that a guy like that is here visiting and

699
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Speaker 4: gets stabbed and not unlike by the way, when we

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Speaker 4: had a judicial conference, we had an Indiana judges conference

701
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: here a few years ago, and there were three judges,

702
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: two men and a women who were out after hours,

703
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: you know, going to the clubs having a bunch of cocktails. Well,

704
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: that's what a lot of people do when they go

705
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 4: to conferences out of town or in town for that matter,

706
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 4: depending on where they live, and they end up getting shot.

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Speaker 4: And then lo and behold, it comes out that at

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Speaker 4: least there was more than one side of that story,

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Speaker 4: and there was some evidence apparently that they were the aggressors,

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Speaker 4: or at least some of them were, that created the

711
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: whole circumstance. And now it's coming down that Mark Sanchez.

712
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Speaker 4: And again I'll defer to the news department on this,

713
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: but I'm reading. First of all, I'm listening to what

714
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 4: we're reporting here on WIBC and John Herrick in his newsroom,

715
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: he's our news director here. They do a fabulous, fabulous job,

716
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: and that's where we ought to get your news, not

717
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: from a guy who comments on Second Amendment issues for

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Speaker 4: a living down here at WIBC. But in reading the

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Speaker 4: Fox fifty nine article that just updated, as police have

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Speaker 4: now arrested Mark Sanchez and apparently battery with bodily injury

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Speaker 4: and public intoxication, and apparently everything he's been arrested for

722
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: is a misdemeanor, and I've not heard a report of

723
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Speaker 4: the other guy who actually did the stabbing being arrested.

724
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Speaker 4: And the story that's coming out is the other guy

725
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: was delivering food, a sixty nine year old, which sounds really,

726
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 4: really old, except I'm getting ready to turn sixty eight

727
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Speaker 4: next month, so sixty nine doesn't accept as old to

728
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: me as he used to. But for most people, you

729
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 4: think of that as being pretty damn old, and not

730
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Speaker 4: necessarily somebody who's going to go out and get into

731
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 4: fights on the sidewalk. But he was delivering food, had

732
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Speaker 4: parked in an alley, and according to the report I'm reading,

733
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Speaker 4: Sanchez told him he couldn't park where he was parked.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea why Sanchez would care. Maybe he

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Speaker 4: was in another view vehicle and was trying to get

736
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Speaker 4: through the alley. I have no idea, and I won't speculate.

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00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: But then, according to the man who was listed as

738
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Speaker 4: the victim in the original IMPD report, Sanchez pursued him,

739
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 4: attacked him, and there was pepper spray used at some point,

740
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Speaker 4: which was not effective, and the man then pulled a knife,

741
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Speaker 4: and according to him, anyway, and we'll see what facts

742
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 4: come out in court, defended himself and that's what got

743
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Speaker 4: Mark Sanchez stabbed. But Mark Sanchez now has been placed

744
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Speaker 4: under arrest. So I just think that's interesting, and I

745
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: think there are a couple of lessons in this. And

746
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: again I didn't draw any conclusions. I didn't form any opinions.

747
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: In fact, one former follower friend on Facebook, I was

748
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 4: just saying, you know, this is not a good look

749
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Speaker 4: for Indianapolis, which I don't care who was at fault,

750
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 4: it's still true. A celebrity comes here and gets stabbed

751
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: downtown Indy, that's not a good look. But I made

752
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: offered no opinion on who was at fault, and certainly

753
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: di and try to make it sound like I knew

754
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: all the facts, and somebody said we got to knew

755
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: all the facts before you offer an opinion. I didn't

756
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: offer any opinions other than to say it's not a

757
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: good look for Indianapolis, which is true regardless of fault.

758
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: But there is a lesson in this, which is one

759
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: that early reports are always just that, and you know,

760
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 4: the faster something appears, and and there's so many in

761
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 4: the media of the news types, and we're not guilty

762
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: of this here, our newsroom. Again, I'll brag on them

763
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: all day long. They are professionals, They do a great job,

764
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Speaker 4: and they consider being right more important than being first.

765
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 4: And that's that's a balance. That's a struggle that all reporters,

766
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: TV stations, newspapers wherever it is now with social media booming,

767
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: put something out there for public consumption in milliseconds, and

768
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 4: so they're always they're always having to balance those things first,

769
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Speaker 4: or at least to early versus right, correct, factually accurate.

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Speaker 4: And man, this story in about an hour, certainly in

771
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 4: a couple of hours, went from Mark Sanchez robbery victim

772
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 4: to Mark Sanchez aggressor and arrested. Now again, Mark Sanchez

773
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Speaker 4: has apparently not made a statement, and I know from

774
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Speaker 4: having defended a lot of criminal cases over a lot

775
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: of years, that he may be getting legal advice to

776
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: not give a statement, and he may have a much

777
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: better story than the other guy did about what actually happened,

778
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: and where IMPD is just relying on one side of

779
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 4: the story, and that's what they're going to use to

780
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Speaker 4: write up what's called a probable cause affidavit, a prosecutor

781
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: uses then to actually decide what, if any charges to

782
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: be filed. You're getting one side of the story to

783
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: the extent the other side hasn't made a statement, So

784
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 4: there's still more. There are still more facts to come out.

785
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Speaker 4: But it's interesting to me and would be an interesting

786
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Speaker 4: example of the application of law of self defense here

787
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Speaker 4: in Indiana and something I talk about whenever I'm teaching

788
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Speaker 4: my Indiana Gun Law class, what we call Essentials of

789
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 4: Indiana Gun Law. I spend a lot of time, a

790
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: couple of hours on self defense. And people talk about

791
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Speaker 4: using a weapon against the quote unquote unarmed person. Well,

792
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 4: so and so had a knife, so and so was unarmed.

793
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Speaker 4: Is that definitive? Does that answer the question as to

794
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 4: whether you're entitled to use force and self defense? You'll

795
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: hear police officers being criticized, well, police shot an unarmed man? Well,

796
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: is that dispositive? Does that end the inquiry? Are you done? Well?

797
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: Cop had a gun? Other person? Do not have a gun?

798
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: Not justified? No, No, and no. You have to have

799
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Speaker 4: a reasonable belief you're preventing if to use deadly forced

800
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 4: I think stabbing someone. And again, the article I just

801
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: read said Mark Sanchez was stabbed in the chest. He

802
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: stab someone in the chest. Is that serious? Excuse me?

803
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: Is that deadly force didn't kill him? In fact, I

804
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: understand he's in stable condition. But if you stab somebody

805
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 4: in the chest, is that deadly force irrespective of whether

806
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: they die?

807
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: Oh?

808
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 4: Hell yeah it is, because deadly force is defined in

809
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: Indiana as force that creates a substantial risk of death

810
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 4: or that creates a likelihood of serious bodily injury. Is

811
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Speaker 4: getting stabbed in the chest serious bodily injury? Yes, And

812
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: there's a statutory definition for serious bodily injury and getting

813
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: stabbed in the chest certainly qualifies. Well. So the delivery driver,

814
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: according to a one sided police report, anyway, stab Mark

815
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: Sanchez in the chest. And I'm not hearing about any

816
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: weapons that Sanchez had, although the other person reportedly had

817
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: facial facial lastrations. So if the other person has empty

818
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 4: hands and you have a knife, are you always guilty?

819
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Speaker 4: Can you never claim self defense in that circumstance?

820
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Speaker 3: No?

821
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: Hell no, hell no. It depends on whether you reasonably

822
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: believe you're preventing serious bodily injury to you or a

823
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: third person in order to use deadly force and self

824
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: defense out on the street like this, not talking about

825
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 4: you in your home or some of the other Castle

826
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Speaker 4: Doctor and applications I talked more about last week. Can

827
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Speaker 4: someone with empty hands cause serious bodily injury to a

828
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: sixty nine year old guy? Well, hell yes, And it's

829
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 4: very circumstance driven. Who's the sixty nine year old? Like

830
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Speaker 4: I said, I'm getting ready to turn sixty eight, But

831
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Speaker 4: Mark Sanchez looks like a pretty fit guy. Not sure

832
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Speaker 4: how that would go. I would probably be a little

833
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: pessimistic how I'd do, even though I've spent some time

834
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 4: training in hand to hand and have done a little

835
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Speaker 4: bit of that here and there. That much of an

836
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: age difference thirty years, twenty some years, Yeah, I'm probably

837
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 4: getting my butt kick. Could he cause serious bodi of

838
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Speaker 4: the injury to me as a reasonably fit older guy myself, Yeah,

839
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Speaker 4: I'm sure he could. So it's not despositible. But it's

840
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 4: gonna be an interesting It's gonna be an interesting case

841
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 4: to watch as it plays out in terms of the

842
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 4: application of Indiana's law on self defense, because if the

843
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 4: if the current, if my current understanding of the facts

844
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Speaker 4: holds up, Yeah, somebody with a knife versus somebody with

845
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 4: empty hands, can that still be self defense? Oh? Hell yes?

846
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely it can. I've had that case, won that case,

847
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: got that case dismissed, but we'll see how that goes.

848
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, I didn't mean to spend that

849
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 4: much time talking about that issue, but I just thought

850
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 4: it was interesting, and I think people are going to

851
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: be reading and talking about that for quite some time

852
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: as the case unfolds. Right now or past the three

853
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Speaker 4: quarter or excuse me, the quarter hour, We're gonna take

854
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Speaker 4: a litle bit of a breakare It's Guy Ralford on

855
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Speaker 4: the Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

856
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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guys

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WYBC. I'll tell you what. We've

860
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Speaker 4: still got time here to take some calls, so let's

861
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Speaker 4: go to I think it's Penny on the phone lines. Penny,

862
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: welcome to the Gun Guy Show.

863
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 6: Hey guy, I'm a longtime listener for first time caller.

864
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Speaker 4: Okay, well thanks for calling.

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Speaker 6: I want to ask a question. My dad passed away

866
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Speaker 6: years ago. I obtained a bunch of his guns. I

867
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Speaker 6: probably have close to probably fifty of his guns.

868
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Speaker 7: Huh.

869
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Speaker 6: I did bring those all back he lived in Virginia Beach.

870
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Speaker 6: I live here in Carnway, Indiana. I did bring those

871
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 6: back here. I have them walked up, but I don't

872
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 6: have any small kids at my house? Just me, Am

873
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 6: I able? Do I need to do anything legally with them?

874
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 5: Like?

875
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 6: Do I need to register them? Am I able to

876
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 6: like carry the handgun? I do have a you know,

877
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 6: carry handgun lifetime right before they decided we didn't need

878
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 6: it in Indiana. I did apply for that and get that.

879
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

880
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 6: But I'm just wondering, am I do I need to

881
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 6: do anything legally as far as take the gun somewhere

882
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 6: and have them registered?

883
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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, Yeah, Penny, I can answer that for you.

884
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: The good news is that we don't have gun registration

885
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 4: here in Indiana. And if you're following what's going on

886
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 4: in Canada right now, it's a really beautiful example of

887
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 4: why we don't ever want registration. Well, why I will

888
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 4: fight against it tooth and nail because on their so

889
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: called assault weapons, which include some garden variety pistols and

890
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: shotguns as well, by the way, as well as some

891
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 4: of our omatic rifles. They first decided they were going

892
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: to ban sale and import then they were going to

893
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 4: have a registration requirement and several tons of note, hundreds

894
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 4: of thousands of Canadians followed the law and registered their

895
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 4: so called assault weapons. And now what are they having.

896
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: They're having a mandatory buyback program, which is just what

897
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 4: it sounds like. There may or may not be some

898
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 4: compensation involved, but you're going to turn them in and

899
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 4: possession of them after that is illegal, so it's confiscation,

900
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: make no mistake, So we don't. The good news is

901
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 4: there is no federal registration of firearms outside of the

902
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: National Firearms Act, and I'll talk about that here in

903
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: a minute, but that has very limited applications. So for

904
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 4: your garden variety rifles, pistols, and shotguns, which if I

905
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: had to guess, that's what we're talking about, that your

906
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: dad had, that you've inherited, we have no registration in Indiana.

907
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 4: And as far as you know, carrying one of the handguns,

908
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 4: as long as it's a legal handgun, in other words,

909
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: you know it was never stolen, and I'm not suggesting

910
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 4: for a minute any of this applies. You know, it

911
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 4: doesn't have the serial number filed off of it or

912
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: something like that. If it's a legal firearm that's lawful

913
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: for you to possess. And if you have a licensed

914
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 4: to carry handgun, we already know you've passed the background

915
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 4: check to get your lifetime license, so I'm sure you

916
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 4: can lawfully possess that firearm. You can carry any handgun

917
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: you can lawfully possess in Indiana. In some states they

918
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: actually tie your concealed carry permit or can concealed carry

919
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: pistol license, or a lot of different names for these

920
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: things across the country. Ours, as you correctly said, Penny,

921
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: is the Indian a licensed carry handgun. You can carry

922
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: any handgun that you can lawfully possess, and it's not

923
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: tied to a particular gun as a far to say.

924
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: In some states it says, okay, no, you've done tests,

925
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 4: you've done training with this particular gun, and pass the

926
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: qualification course, and so now you can carry that particular gun,

927
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 4: and it's make model zerial number, and you can carry

928
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 4: that gun and that gun only, and you can you

929
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 4: can qualify or have more than one gun potentially apply

930
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 4: to your license if you want to carry different ones.

931
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: But they're specific to individual firearms. Not in Indiana, and we

932
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 4: have no registration for again, garden variety, non NFA rifles, pistols,

933
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: and shotguns. So there's nothing for you to do there. Now.

934
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Speaker 4: The only thing that you know, whenever I'm answering this question,

935
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 4: people call my office or people come by for a

936
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,479
Speaker 4: meeting we've scheduled and they want you know, they're talking

937
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: about inheritance and that type thing along the same lines

938
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 4: that you are, Penny. And one thing I'll always say is,

939
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 4: we want to make sure that you don't have any

940
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 4: NFA firearms that your dad had. Now, what are we

941
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 4: talking about there? We're talking about machine guns, and that's

942
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 4: guns that are actually automatic. You pull the trigger and

943
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 4: hold the trigger back and it keep shooting. Machine gun

944
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: or suppressors, which are actually considered firearms under federal law,

945
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 4: and so silencers quote unquote, firearm mufflers, suppressors, whatever name

946
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 4: you want to use. Those are NFA regulated. Short barreled rifles,

947
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 4: short barreled shotguns so shotguns with barrels less than eighteen inches,

948
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 4: rifles with barrels less than sixteen inches. Those are regulated

949
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: by the National Firearms Act of nineteen thirty four and

950
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 4: have to be registered, and unless they're registered to a trust,

951
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 4: they're only registered to an individual and nobody else can

952
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 4: possess those unless that you get the government through the

953
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: ATF's approval to transfer those from one individual to another. Now,

954
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 4: we do a lot of NFA trusts in my office.

955
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: I'm getting far afield now from your question. But that's

956
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: to allow multiple whether it's shooting buddies or family members

957
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: or whatever anybody wants to do with their trust. You

958
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: can have several co trustees that allows multiple people to

959
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: possess NFA items. But but, but, Penny, if I had

960
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 4: to guess, you don't have any reason to think he's

961
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 4: got any machine guns or suppressors or.

962
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 6: I think I think I do have four akm.

963
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean an AK forty seven that's semi automatic

964
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 4: is fine, okay, And if I had to guess, it

965
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: likely is a lot of them have selector switches on

966
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: them where you can see. Now it may not be

967
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 4: in English, but that you have you have safe fire

968
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 4: and full or auto or something else, and that maybe

969
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: in Chinese or Hungarian or Russian or something else with

970
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: an AK forty seven. But but no, unless it's actually

971
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 4: a machine gun and is fully automatic, that's not something

972
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 4: to worry about. So if they're non NFA regulated, there's

973
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 4: no registration and there's nothing for you to do. You

974
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 4: can carry in those handguns you'd like. So a longer

975
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 4: answer again than what a caller was probably looking for

976
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 4: but wanted to be thorough. Uh, let's take a break.

977
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 4: Care at the bottom of the air. We'll come back

978
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 4: well answer any additional calls we get for the rest

979
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 4: of our time here on Tonight's The Gun Guy Show.

980
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 4: Give us a call. Three one seven nine ninety three

981
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: ninety three three one seven three ninety three. This is

982
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

983
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: Second to nine on this second amendment, This is the

984
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford, WYBC.

985
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 4: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

986
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WYBC. You know, we had a

987
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 4: church shooting and it was actually last Sunday, so it

988
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 4: was just the day after I last did The Gun

989
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 4: Guy Show, so I wasn't able to comment on it.

990
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 4: And it's something that that strikes me in a couple

991
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 4: different ways. One is just it's infuriating, it's it's maddening,

992
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: it's a little scary. But it also another example of

993
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: something that makes me glad I live in Indiana, and

994
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 4: that is that a person went to a church of

995
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 4: Latter day Saints and I believe it was Grand Blank, Michigan,

996
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 4: and first rammed his truck into the building and set

997
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: it on fire and then began shooting. And you have

998
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 4: officers who responded pretty quick, but still a number of

999
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 4: people I believe it was four inside the church were killed.

1000
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: Another eight were injured. Whether from the fire or the

1001
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: truck ramming through the wall or gunfire is not apparently clear,

1002
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: but it was clearly a shooting and at least some

1003
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 4: people were injured and or killed from someone shooting at

1004
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 4: people who were just at their house of worship of choice.

1005
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 4: And listen, that's the reason why I've had a number

1006
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 4: of church security teams. I'll actually just set up another

1007
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: one of these meetings with a local Catholic church here

1008
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 4: in the Indianapolis area where they want some training on

1009
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: the laws surrounding the use of force and self defense

1010
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 4: for their church security team because they've decided to have

1011
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 4: an armed church security team. And I've actually done the

1012
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 4: firearms training for church security teams a number of times

1013
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 4: here in Century Indiana as well, and that training is

1014
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 4: available from other sources, including folks who really have more

1015
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 4: time than I do anymore to do that. But it's

1016
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 4: fun to do and I enjoy doing it. But for years,

1017
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 4: I mean for a lot of years, I had people

1018
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 4: contact me who are associated with churches and say, we

1019
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 4: want to talk to you about setting up an armed

1020
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 4: church security team to keep our worshipers safe while they're

1021
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 4: here at our school. Excuse me, at our church. The

1022
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 4: school issue is going to come out here in just

1023
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: a minute. And a lot of times I have a

1024
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 4: very priminary conversation with them and say, well, okay, there's

1025
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: one hurdle we need to get over, and that is

1026
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: is there a school on the same grounds or in

1027
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 4: the same building. And listen, as I always say in

1028
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 4: my gun law class when I'm teaching it, you know,

1029
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 4: how many Catholic churches have a parochial school on the

1030
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: same grounds pretty much all of them? Right, I'm not Catholic,

1031
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: but that's my understanding. And licensed daycares? How many churches

1032
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 4: have a licensed daycare? Now, there are some different licensing

1033
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: issues around churches, and I've been educated on this a

1034
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 4: little bit more over the years, but if it's a

1035
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 4: state licensed daycare on the same grounds or in the

1036
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 4: same building, then that qualifies as a school. So if

1037
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 4: you have a school on the same grounds or in

1038
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 4: the same building, and or the church is co owned

1039
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 4: with the school on the same land, then the church

1040
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Speaker 4: as well as the school is all church, excuse me,

1041
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 4: is all school property. And while we've never had a

1042
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 4: statute in Indiana that says it's illegal to have a

1043
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 4: gun in a church, there is a statute it's illegal

1044
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 4: under most situations to have a gun in a school.

1045
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 4: And if there's a church and a school on the

1046
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Speaker 4: same property, the church is also a school property and

1047
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Speaker 4: you can't carry a gun there. Even if it's Sunday

1048
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 4: and there are no kids in the school, even if

1049
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Speaker 4: the schools closed, even if the kids won't be back

1050
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 4: till Monday, it doesn't matter. It's still school property and

1051
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: you can't have a gun on school property. And so

1052
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Speaker 4: what we fought for for years and years, and it

1053
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Speaker 4: started with the late Senator Jack Sandlin, a good, good

1054
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 4: guy and we're gonna miss him, and we just lost

1055
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 4: him last year. But it started with his Senate Bill

1056
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Speaker 4: thirty three here, three or four years ago, or excuse me,

1057
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Speaker 4: three or four years before. We ultimately got it passed.

1058
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Speaker 4: But then we we took his and we called it

1059
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Speaker 4: church carry, and again a little bit of a misleading name,

1060
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Speaker 4: because there's not a lot of decision you can't carry

1061
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Speaker 4: in a church, But it's addressing the school issue, which

1062
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Speaker 4: for hundreds and hundreds of churches. We're talking about all

1063
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Speaker 4: houses of worship here, So whether it's a mosque or

1064
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 4: a temple, or a synagogue, or a cathedral or a church,

1065
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Speaker 4: if it's a house of worship, this all applies. And

1066
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Speaker 4: there are hundreds and hundreds where people could not lawfully

1067
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Speaker 4: carry a gun. I know of people who just decided

1068
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 4: that they valued their lives more than they were going

1069
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Speaker 4: to be worried about possibly being prosecuted. But that's a

1070
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Speaker 4: shame for anybody to have to be put in that position.

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Speaker 4: And you ought to be able to defend yourself, your family,

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Speaker 4: your fellow worshippers when you go to church without fear

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Speaker 4: of being prosecuted for a felony. So finally in twenty

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Speaker 4: nineteen we got church carry passed here in Indiana. What

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Speaker 4: it says is now that if you're attending a worship

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Speaker 4: service or religious ceremony in a house of worship, or

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Speaker 4: if you're performing your duties of employment or your volunteer

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Speaker 4: duties as an employee or volunteer of a house of worship.

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Speaker 4: So would that apply to a church security team. Oh?

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Speaker 4: Hell yes. So, either you're attending a worship service or

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Speaker 4: a religious ceremony in a house of worship, or you're

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Speaker 4: performing your duties as a volunteer or employee of the

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Speaker 4: church the house of worship, then you can lawfully possess

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Speaker 4: a gun there, irrespective of it being on school property.

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Speaker 4: And that's been the law here since twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 4: listen is a big deal for a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: It affected where my wife and I chose to go

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Speaker 4: to church. You know, we decided we were going to

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Speaker 4: switch churches. We started looking at other churches. We absolutely

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Speaker 4: love our church. Now have to drive to Fishers from

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Speaker 4: Zionceville to go to church, but it's worth it. I

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Speaker 4: love our church. And if you want to contact me

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01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: offline on social media and ask me what church it is,

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Speaker 4: I'm glad to tell you. But in looking for a church,

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Speaker 4: one of the first things we had to say before

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, we had to inquire was this place have

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Speaker 4: a school on the grounds. Does it have a school

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Speaker 4: in the same building. Is there a license tate care?

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Speaker 4: Is it licensed by the state? And if the answer

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Speaker 4: to those things were yes, then then suddenly we're in

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Speaker 4: that dilemma where am I risking the felony every time

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Speaker 4: I go to church? Because listen, nowly do I carry

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Speaker 4: every time I go to church? I take an extra

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01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 4: magazine over what I usually carry? And why is is

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01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 4: that being and gun owners are accused of us all

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Speaker 4: the time? Is that because I'm scared, because I'm paranoid.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm walking into church going, oh no, someone's

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 4: going to kill me any moment, of course not. I

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01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 4: simply have the realization that churches are targets. And we've

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Speaker 4: seen churches as to targets for years and years and years.

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Speaker 4: And the Church of the shooting at the Church of

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Speaker 4: Latter day Saints in Grand Blank, Michigan here less than

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Speaker 4: a week ago is just the latest example. You had

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Speaker 4: kids attending school and going to church on the same grounds.

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Speaker 4: At the Annunciation I'm going to screw up the name Annunciation.

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Speaker 4: I believe it was called church in Minnesota, kids shot

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Speaker 4: through the church windows. We had two different church shootings

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Speaker 4: where heroes emerged one of them in White Settlement, Texas,

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Speaker 4: the other one in Sutherland Springs, Texas. There were within

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Speaker 4: a year or two of each other. And you remember

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Speaker 4: the heroism of Jack Wilson who shot a guy came

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Speaker 4: into a church sanctuary, started shooting worshippers, and Jack, from

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Speaker 4: as I recall, fifteen yards away forty five feet, made

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Speaker 4: one shot, made a head shot. That's the marksmanship up

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Speaker 4: there with Eli Dicken. But the point is he had

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Speaker 4: to stop a church shooting with deadly force and was

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Speaker 4: able to do so because he was armed. In Sutherland Springs,

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Speaker 4: that's where a gentleman named Williford was actually in his

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Speaker 4: home across the street from a church, heard the shooting

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Speaker 4: going on, where twenty some people lost their laws, grabbed

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Speaker 4: his own rifle, got into a shootout outside the church,

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Speaker 4: chased the bad guy. Bad guy ends up crashing and

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Speaker 4: dying because Stephen Wiliford shot him, so he wasn't in

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Speaker 4: the church. If he'd have been in the church and

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Speaker 4: armed where someone else would have been very good likelihood

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Speaker 4: twenty some people wouldn't have died. So carrying in church

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Speaker 4: is just a realization that churches are threats because there

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Speaker 4: are people are targets and subject to threats because there

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Speaker 4: are people out there that will target your church and

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Speaker 4: target you in that church simply because of how you

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Speaker 4: worship and who you decide to worship and what your

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Speaker 4: beliefs are. And unfortunately, there are way too many people

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Speaker 4: out there who, simply because you have different beliefs than

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Speaker 4: they do, want to kill you, your children, your family doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Is that paranoid? Is that living in fear? Just the opposite.

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Speaker 4: If I'm cooking with an open flame, do I want

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Speaker 4: a fire extinguisher somewhere close? Yes? Does that mean I'm

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Speaker 4: afraid to cook?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I like to cook. I cook all the time. I

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Speaker 4: really like cooking over an open flame. It's not a

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 4: bad idea to have a fire extinguisher around. A gun

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Speaker 4: and a fire extinguisher I put in exactly the same category.

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Speaker 4: It's simply being prepared. So another example of what makes

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Speaker 4: me proud to be in Indiana that that church carry

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Speaker 4: bill I fought for for many years, as many other

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Speaker 4: people did, and Ben Small's Republican from Auburn ended up

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Speaker 4: carrying it forward. In twenty nineteen, it got lumped in

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Speaker 4: with my Self Defense Immunity Bill and changing our four

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Speaker 4: year license to a five year license at some other

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Speaker 4: pro Second Amendment bills. We started calling that the omnibus

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Speaker 4: gun Bill back in twenty nineteen, but we got it passed.

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Speaker 4: It's now the law and you can now lawfully protect yourself,

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Speaker 4: your family, and your fellow worshipers when you go to church.

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Speaker 4: And so reading a story like the shooting in Grand Blake, Michigan,

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Speaker 4: it makes me, of course sad for those victims and

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Speaker 4: compassionate towards those people who were injured or lost family members,

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Speaker 4: but also makes me damn glad I live in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: Right now, we're taking a break. We'll be back for

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Speaker 4: a short segment to wrap up this edition to the

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Speaker 4: Gun Guy Show here on ninety three WYBC, second.

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Speaker 2: To nine on this Second Amendment.

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Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford ONEYPC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back here for a bit of a short segment.

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Speaker 4: But thanks to all of our callers. We have great

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 4: callers tonight with great questions. Thanks to the folks who

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Speaker 4: participated in the YouTube chat as they always do. That's

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Speaker 4: always a lively conversation on there as well. It's hard

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Speaker 4: to keep up with as I'm doing live radio, but

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Speaker 4: I try to check it out during breaks and respond

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Speaker 4: where I can. Another ruling came out this last week

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Speaker 4: which I thought was really interesting, and it's a case

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Speaker 4: we want to look it up now. It's called changed

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 4: names a little bit because Pam Bondi was substituted as

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Speaker 4: the attorney general who is named in the lawsuit. But

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Speaker 4: it's FPC, which stands for Firearms Policy Coalition versus Bondi.

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Speaker 4: And this is down the Northern District of Texas. And listen,

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Speaker 4: the Northern District of Texas has given us a whole

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Speaker 4: bunch of rulings that have ultimately been really really great

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Speaker 4: for gun owners as they wound themselves through the system.

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Speaker 4: They gave us a great ruling on bump stocks, which

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Speaker 4: ended up being ultimately affirmed by the US Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: I left that out when I was kind of doing

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Speaker 4: my little Supreme Court roundtable at the beginning on pistol braces.

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Speaker 4: Uh and and and more and uh. And they've been

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Speaker 4: a great court. But they've just ruled that the statute

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Speaker 4: that says the federal statute that says you can now

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Speaker 4: not have a gun in a federal facility. And then

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Speaker 4: there's a regulation that expands that to a parking lot.

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Speaker 4: But as applied to post offices, the gun is the

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 4: statute rather than it says you can't carry a gun

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Speaker 4: there is unconstitutional. Now does that apply to you if

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Speaker 4: you're a member of the Firearms Policy Coalition. And then

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Speaker 4: another group that was in that is the Second Amendment Foundation.

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Speaker 4: Both great groups, by the way, who do great things

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Speaker 4: in the court in the courtroom. That it does I

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Speaker 4: carry in my gun in the courthouse anytime soon? Probably not.

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Speaker 4: And let's see that work its way through and help

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Speaker 4: out the rest of us. Right now, that's the end

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Speaker 4: of this week's show. Hope you'd enjoyed it. Hope you

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Speaker 4: come back. Remember, always shoot straight, always be safe. This

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Speaker 4: is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guys Show on ninety

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Speaker 4: three WYBC.