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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. Later, Grill and scholar Professor James Small

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Speaker 1: will weigh in on the fighting in Iran and also

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Speaker 1: he's going to discuss the expats fighting for citizenship in

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Speaker 1: Ghana and the evolving local political landscape. But before Professor Small,

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Speaker 1: the Nubian Circles Brother Sidika Cambone, we'll preview a critical

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Speaker 1: meeting with former presidential candidate doctor Cornell West. But to

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Speaker 1: get us started as we continue to celebrate Women's History

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Speaker 1: Month at Baltimore Homeless Advocate Minister Christina Flowers. But first

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Speaker 1: you gotta get Kevin. Opened up these classroom doors and

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Speaker 1: start this Monday morning, right, Grand Rising Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising Girl Nelson. I like that you said we

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Speaker 2: gotta get Kevin. Yeah that I'm a gettle t shirt

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Speaker 2: that says that.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get Kevin. Right, Okay, you.

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Speaker 4: Got to get Oh, thank Kevin. Hey look I'm happy.

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Speaker 4: What is it? Happy Daylight Saving time?

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you know, the first day is a

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Speaker 1: little struggle, but after that you just fall in the

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Speaker 1: line because the first day go wow, I know something's off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a good thing that the phones automatically

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Speaker 2: set themselves, you know, because.

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Speaker 3: And computers and all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you go to that analog clock, you

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Speaker 2: know you're looking.

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Speaker 4: You go, oh, man, should I go back to bed?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: No, it's the daylight savings time.

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Speaker 2: We sprung spring ahead or did we we sprang ahead? Anyway,

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Speaker 2: you should spring ahead In case you're just listening and

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Speaker 2: you think that it's still five o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 2: it's the It's also the ninth of March, so all

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Speaker 2: is well.

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Speaker 3: How you feeling, Carl, I'm still learning. Kevin.

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Speaker 4: That's it, man.

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Speaker 2: That's a declarative and that I think is going to

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Speaker 2: continue to be a part of your legacy from now on.

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Speaker 4: Hey, look in the news man.

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Speaker 2: Most of the weekend was I think colorful in looking

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Speaker 2: at some of the things that the Jesse Jackson Memorial service.

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Speaker 2: The US presidents were their former US president celebrities.

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Speaker 4: Thousands of members.

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Speaker 2: Of the public gathered to send home an ancestor, Reverend

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Speaker 2: And they say that Obama was he had that Baptist

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Speaker 2: Mourners included former Vice president Kamala Harris and filmmaker Taler

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Speaker 4: And I listened to her seeing she sung A Change

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Speaker 2: Man, it was like straight from her heart, from her soul,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I agree. You've got the pre recording in the morning

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Speaker 2: that says some people just sang that's Jenny for us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got some pipes now.

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Speaker 2: But when she sings a classic like A Change is

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Speaker 4: What do you think of that ceremony and that memorial.

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Speaker 2: Said my President Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 1: He could have right, he said, you they shouldn't have.

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Speaker 1: But Biden went into Jesse's mother's funeral, so he knew

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Speaker 2: Well, they said he had previously requested that the service

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know former presidents. Doesn't that bring some

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Speaker 1: And what is I'm glad you mentioned they're all Democrats.

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Speaker 1: So the Republics are now using this to attack the Democrats. See,

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Speaker 1: She she she's got, she wants to She just should

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Speaker 4: President Donald Trump in a social post.

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Speaker 2: Called surging oil costs a very small price to pay,

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Speaker 2: And in large caps, as if he was yelling only

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Speaker 1: Well, first, they're gonna go up, and it's reflected of

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Speaker 1: he says, it's a it's a it's a what do

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Speaker 1: you say, Kevin, A small pain we got to pay

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, A very small price to be, That's

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Speaker 2: what he's, a very small price to be.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, because in his mind, Kevin is that this

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Speaker 1: told he told the bridge that that Iran has already surrendered,

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Speaker 2: Oil could rise to as much as one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty dollars a barrow by the end of this month

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Speaker 2: if traveled through the Strait doesn't start flowing again. And

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Speaker 2: so you know, futures eighteen percent higher, on and on

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Speaker 2: it becomes clear then you know, look finally before you'll

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Speaker 2: our featured women's history person today. Marie Van Britten Brown

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Speaker 2: born nineteen twenty two died nineteen ninety nine was the

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Speaker 2: inventor of the first home security system. She is also

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Speaker 2: She was born in Queens, New York on October twenty second,

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Speaker 2: February of nineteen ninety nine. Her father was born in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: and the patent for Marie Van Britten's Brown's invention of

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Speaker 2: the first home security system was filed in nineteen sixty six,

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Speaker 2: and it later influenced modern home security systems that are

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Speaker 2: it was because the crime rate was very high in Queens.

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Speaker 2: The police would show up very slow, if at all,

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Speaker 2: knew a lot about electronics, and her security system was

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Speaker 2: the basis for the two way communications and surveillance features

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Speaker 2: of modern security. Three peep holes were placed on the

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Speaker 2: home Security System utilizing Television Surveillance and see where we participate,

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Speaker 2: Marie van Britton Brown. Yes, yep, and uh that's the

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Speaker 1: And okay, Well, carrying recontacts with Minister Christina Flowers. And

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Speaker 1: You know, when people say they're on house, they get people.

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Speaker 1: So you got people sleeping in their cars. Check it

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Speaker 1: So those are the folks that Minister Flowers goes out

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Speaker 6: Grand Rising, call, good morning, Happy Monday. Is always a

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Speaker 1: We thank you the Minister Flowers because he's doing things

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Speaker 6: I'm happy in this season about it because you know,

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Speaker 6: And I tell people every day, you know, when they

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Speaker 6: They were left there by a lot of us, our clergy,

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Speaker 1: That thought right there, Minister Flowers, hold that thought right there.

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Speaker 3: We come back.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought. Family YouTube can join

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Speaker 6: Yes, Carl, Yes, from good morning again. And like basically

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Speaker 6: come here with an automatic, obvious disability. I don't understand English,

438
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Speaker 6: I can't read. So guess what it gets to go

439
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Speaker 6: right into a system and benefit off of that system.

440
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Speaker 6: And a lot of us sit back and instead of

441
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Speaker 6: complaining or instead of talking about the immigrants taking over.

442
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Speaker 6: It's not that the immigrants taken over. Is that some

443
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Speaker 6: of our political leaders are more interested in the immigrants

444
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Speaker 6: issue because it's bringing more spotlight, it's bringing more attention

445
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Speaker 6: to them being you know, they want to be humanitarians,

446
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 6: but they should start with some of our veterans sleeping

447
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 6: in the woods, some of our seniors sleeping in these

448
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 6: shelters and managing every day on Walkers and Kane just

449
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 6: to come out and get food. Like we're not focused

450
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 6: on the things that it is important, you know when

451
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Speaker 6: it comes to our people. So we just kind of

452
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Speaker 6: have that, you know, that out of box way of

453
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 6: thinking with this car like we can't look at it.

454
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Speaker 6: We can't look at politicians to come and save our people.

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Speaker 1: We have to develop right there at Minister Fla, you're correct,

456
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Speaker 1: it's thirty minutes after the top of the out and

457
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Speaker 1: you know, family, we kind of look at the homeless,

458
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Speaker 1: like Minister Flowers just describing the people on the streets,

459
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Speaker 1: but the aspect of homeless people couch surfing at their

460
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Speaker 1: friends house, sleeping in their cars as well. And we

461
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: talking about the job situation. You know, three hundred thousand

462
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: black women laid off in twenty twenty five. Hopefully they

463
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Speaker 1: found jobs. Donald Trump says they found better jobs if

464
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: they were laid off from the federal government. But that's

465
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Speaker 1: the potential that we have to deal with. You know,

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Speaker 1: Explain this to me, because back in the day, we didn't.

467
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Speaker 1: It didn't seem we had this problem homeless. You know,

468
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Speaker 1: if somebody needed some help, you know, the community would

469
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Speaker 1: take care of them. Because I remember people come to

470
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Speaker 1: my house, you know, you know later on in life

471
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Speaker 1: that my mom would say, that's your aunt or your cousin.

472
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: They weren't no kin to us, you know, but she

473
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Speaker 1: was taking care of folks whore just right right, And

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Speaker 1: I had hard times.

475
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Speaker 3: Do we even know your child right right? Who was this?

476
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Speaker 5: You know?

477
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, but it doesn't we don't. That

478
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: compassion seems to be missing in this generation.

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Speaker 8: What happened?

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Speaker 6: You know, Carl, you said it best. And I think

481
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Speaker 6: if a lot of us would do some self evaluation,

482
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Speaker 6: and we become focused as God has led us to.

483
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Speaker 6: We would understand that seasons change, time change, but the

484
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 6: God we serve never change. He never changed the way

485
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 6: we should engage and work with the least of them.

486
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 6: Like you ain't gotta go hunting for the least of

487
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 6: them when you see people walking around looking for food,

488
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 6: you see people walking around looking for a place to

489
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 6: lay that he it's safe. You don't have to seek

490
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 6: the least of them if you just had that heart

491
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 6: to understand that they are out there. And if you

492
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 6: don't have the solution or some people don't have that

493
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 6: compassion or the ability to engage these individuals because they

494
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 6: become fearful of homeless people, that's when you should be

495
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Speaker 6: more in tune. Not excusing your self of the social obligation,

496
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: but connect yourself towards in that city that's working that

497
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 6: we know if individuals is out here, boots on the ground,

498
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Speaker 6: grassroots organizations. We ain't talking about organizations with a lot

499
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Speaker 6: of dollar signs behind them. We're talking about organizations that's

500
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Speaker 6: self funded, self operating. You know a lot of groups,

501
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 6: you know, we work with a lot of groups called

502
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Speaker 6: that just come out and feed. They come out and cloth,

503
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Speaker 6: And I'm grateful for that because look, on any given day,

504
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 6: i could be riding down the corridor and I'm excited

505
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 6: to see groups out feeding. But when you pack those

506
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 6: vehicles up and drive off, those individuals still have to

507
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 6: stay there. They still need the next step, They still

508
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 6: need the engagement. They might want to use your phone,

509
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 6: they might want to tell you to call that family member.

510
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 6: Like it's so many ways that individuals can be more

511
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 6: involved than they don't be. Because at the same time

512
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 6: we see them out there car you see them. It

513
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 6: ain't like they're just hiding. You know, in Baltimore City,

514
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 6: they land all around our city. They lay over the

515
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 6: heated grates. In the winter time, they goes in the

516
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 6: emergency rooms because they get burns from land places where

517
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: they trying to stay warm at So we see this,

518
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 6: you know, whether it's the clergy, whether it's our officers.

519
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 6: And the sad part about it is when people do

520
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 6: engage them, if it's our police officers or individuals are

521
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 6: forcing them to move, like we had in this week

522
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 6: over in the Hollandburg area. You know, we dismantle an

523
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 6: encampment and then you see the police officers taking pictures

524
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 6: and celebrating like they just threw dogs and cats away.

525
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 6: They was taking pictures after the toe trucks came, after

526
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 6: the dump trucks came, and they do all the people

527
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 6: personal items away. They on Facebook taking pictures. I was

528
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 6: so this wrought this week with that because they don't

529
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 6: realize that's somebody child, somebody mother, somebody auntie that you

530
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 6: just dismantled off an encampment, you know, and you were and.

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Speaker 1: Hold that thought right there, Yeah, Minister Flowers, hold I

532
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: thought twenty sevens away from the top of the out

533
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Speaker 1: and I got a tweet and this tweeter see it

534
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Speaker 1: is sounding out a challenge to our listeners. So family members,

535
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: this is what the tweeters a Minister Flowers. The tweeter says,

536
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Speaker 1: I recall that my grandparents would feed strangers and let

537
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Speaker 1: them sleep in their cars, and says, if you have

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Speaker 1: ten dollars and want to start your week on a

539
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: positive note, zell, Minister Flowers, ten dollars towards a meal,

540
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: a pair of gloves, a pair of socks for the homeless.

541
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Speaker 1: And that's a challenge family. This this tweeter, this is

542
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: one of our listeners again, says if you have ten

543
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Speaker 1: dollars and you want to start the week on a

544
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: positive note, zell minister flowers ten dollars towards a meal,

545
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: a pair of gloves or a pair of socks for

546
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: the homeless. So mister Flowers on that aspect, where do

547
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: would they sell zel the money to Mazella?

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Speaker 6: Is my email also, Carl, that people can reach out

549
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 6: to me. That's C Flow C F. L Ow thirty

550
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 6: two at gmail dot com. That's C Flow thirty two

551
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 6: at gmail dot com. And again, you know, we we

552
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 6: create so many ways to keep people involved. We're having

553
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 6: our first fundraiser this Saturday, the first one for the year.

554
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 6: We have four fundraisers. So this Saturday we will be

555
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 6: doing dinners. We will be doing Nigerian dinners and we

556
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 6: will be having soul food dinners. So also if people

557
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 6: want to reach out, get involved, donate a dinner to

558
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 6: a homeless if you want to, they can also call me.

559
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 6: That's a part of that's another one of myzelves. That's

560
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Speaker 6: four one zero three six five five five sixty seven.

561
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 6: I think everyone knows my cell phone. That is my

562
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 6: public cell phone. I answer, I'm approachable and you know,

563
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 6: Carl again I think that challenger. I think that person

564
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 6: because at the end of the day, we are a

565
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 6: self sustainable organization, like we don't get one penny of

566
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 6: funding in our city of Baltimore, and that breaks my

567
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 6: heart a lot, but it also encourages me because God

568
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 6: gets the glory of fourteen years. When I say fourteen years,

569
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: God gets all the glory. And He has taken us

570
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 6: through this journey because the doors that He has closed

571
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 6: for us when we submit it to do grants, We

572
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 6: submitted to meet with our mayle. We submitted these things

573
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 6: and he closed those doors for a reason. And I

574
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 6: truly believe he closed those doors was because the purpose

575
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 6: and the visionary that he used within me is to

576
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: develop ways that we take care our own. We should

577
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Speaker 6: not be discriminating if you look at our homeless individuals

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Speaker 6: and some of.

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Speaker 1: These and hold I thought right there, Minister Flowers, We've

580
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: got to step aside and get caught up with the

581
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: latest news trafficking weather. I'll let you finish your thought

582
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: on the other side. Family and listen, this is why

583
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: minister Flowers is involved in this, because many of the

584
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: homeless look like us, and it could be direct brothers

585
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: and sisters that we don't know. What are your thoughts.

586
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: You're going to get in on this conversation. Reach out

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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight,

588
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: seventy six or twenty three away from the top. They

589
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: will take your phone calls after we check the traffic,

590
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Speaker 1: weather and news. That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks

591
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: for starting your day with us. It's something a week

592
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Speaker 1: with us. Actually it's seventeen minutes away from the top.

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Speaker 1: They have with that guess the homeless advocate Minister Christina

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Speaker 1: Flowers at Baltimore City and we love to speak with

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Speaker 1: Minister Flowers. Hopefully every city has a Christina Flowers who

596
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Speaker 1: works for trying to help the on house these days,

597
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of people because of the economy are

598
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: going to be joining those ranks as well. Before we

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Speaker 1: go back to the let me just remind you come up.

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Speaker 1: Later this morning, we're going to speak with UH Professor

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Speaker 1: James Small, one of our grills, one of our top scholars.

602
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: And before we talk to Professor Small, though the Nubian

603
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Circles Brother Cidiki comebon. It's going to tell us about

604
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: a critical meeting with former presidential candidate doctor Cornell Westle's

605
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: coming up, and later this week you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: a former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers, will join us.

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Speaker 1: Also futuristic researcher brother cidk Butkar, also a political bloger

608
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Brandon and chairing Fred Hampton will also check in. So

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Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, keep that radio locked and

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00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the

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Speaker 1: DMV around fourteen fifty w L. All right, Minister Flowers,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, shout out to Tyrone Piles too. Glad to hear

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Speaker 6: his name. And as we were just talking, Carl, like

615
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 6: you know, when it comes to us being able to

616
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 6: operate and do the will and the work that God

617
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 6: has called us to do, we do need like those

618
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 6: unrestricted funds. We do need the type of funds where

619
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 6: we can work with individuals through the capacity of their

620
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 6: mental illness. They need to be housed first. Like you

621
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 6: can't screen people, you can't pile them all in the shelter.

622
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 6: It's never going to work. And because we as God's people,

623
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 6: we know the government, we know the state, we know

624
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 6: the system, we know how they're going to deal with them.

625
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 6: So we got to be more about teaching and training

626
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 6: and coaching. You know, we started working now with a

627
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Speaker 6: lot of the hospitals. You know, shout out to some

628
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 6: of our Baltimore City hospitals that acknowledge and respect the

629
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Speaker 6: fact that you can't be discharging homeless people on the streets.

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Speaker 6: Like if a person come in your hospital and they're homeless,

631
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Speaker 6: when you're doing that triage and that intake, they tell

632
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 6: you you're homeless, that's when it should be a plan

633
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 6: in place before you discharge them back to the streets

634
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 6: of homelessness. Because again, we have a system in place

635
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 6: that is using our homeless people like recyclers, like we're

636
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: recycling them through the system instead of having them in

637
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 6: a place to where if they say they're homeless, it

638
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 6: should be the next step, it should be the next solution,

639
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 6: not discharging them. So, you know, we work with three

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00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 6: great hospitals in Baltimore City, and I say their great

641
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 6: because you know, they have utilized our consault and services.

642
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 6: They have utilized our coming in and coaching and working

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00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 6: with some of the discharged nurses. Because again, we don't

644
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 6: have a governmental system that is going to go in

645
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 6: these hospitals and make sure, Hey, when y'all got a

646
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 6: homeless person in here, this is step A and B.

647
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 6: You know, they just say, call the shelter. When you

648
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 6: call the shelters, the shelters are full. They got cots

649
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 6: all over the shelters. So a lot of times when

650
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 6: they call the shelters from the hospitals, they feel like

651
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 6: they don't have no way else to turn but to discharge.

652
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 6: And I've recognized it's case managers, it's social workers in

653
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 6: these hospitals that do not have the heart to eiven

654
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 6: want to discharge people on the streets. But you got

655
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 6: some of them that are discharging them right back out,

656
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 6: put a band aid or try to fix whatever. And

657
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: that becomes a problem. Because again, when you think about

658
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 6: triage and where you want to be able to have

659
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 6: a hub, you should look at the churches. You should

660
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 6: look at the emergency rooms. I start telling homeless people

661
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: walk up into the churches on Sundays, just go up

662
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 6: and there get some help. You know, see what have happened.

663
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 6: Because a lot of times if people don't know, they

664
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 6: don't know. Okay, But if you want to say you

665
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 6: don't know, and then the issue is facing you and

666
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 6: it walks in your church. You should be a part

667
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 6: of the solution for that person. I don't care if

668
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 6: your whole congregation need to give a dollar put that

669
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 6: person in the hotel. We have to understand that this

670
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 6: is a wee problem, you know, because like you said,

671
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 6: a lot of them look like us, and even the

672
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 6: ones that don't, we can't discriminate on them. We still

673
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 6: have to have a solution because they be relying on

674
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 6: a system, and we know the system sits on our

675
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 6: God's shoulder. So we need to be a good part

676
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 6: of that system. We need to be the part that

677
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 6: God the parted like he the part of the seas,

678
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 6: like these are my chosen few. And that's how we

679
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 6: got to start functioning within our cities to understand that,

680
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 6: I don't care if you got to find one, it

681
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 6: might be that one that you can say, Okay, I'm

682
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 6: going to adopt this one, help them, give them some clothes,

683
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 6: clean them up. What's the next step? Where's your family at?

684
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 6: Because sometimes you got to ask that question. They done

685
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 6: been broken away from their families and they come in

686
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 6: other places, like other cities, and they just be lost.

687
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: And let me ask you this. The minister Flowers twelve

688
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top. They have family in Baltimore.

689
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: They got a lot of boarded up homes houses just

690
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: bought it up.

691
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 9: Uh.

692
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: And I know one time we talked about how can

693
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: we get the city to open up some of these homes, so,

694
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, when the weather was and now the weather's improving,

695
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: but when it's really really cold out there to help

696
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: some of these these on house folks, and you know,

697
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: just let's stay away and stay out of the elements.

698
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: They still need to eaven though the weathers are getting better.

699
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: Is there any talk about open that they don't have

700
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: to do a city wide you know what I'm saying

701
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: to certain places and just a certain amount.

702
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 6: I'm glad you asked that question call, because somebody just

703
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 6: said that yesterday to me. They said, don't they have

704
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 6: a dollar house program in Baltimore City? Well, they might

705
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 6: publicly put out there get people interested. Yeah, we got

706
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 6: a dollar house program, but they don't tell you got

707
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 6: to have like eighty or one hundred thousand dollars in

708
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 6: the bank to fix that house up. So when you

709
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 6: ask that question, you know, how do we deal with

710
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 6: our vacant houses? I see our vacant houses as an

711
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 6: opportunity for outside developers. I see our vacant houses as

712
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 6: an opportunity for our city to make money. I don't

713
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 6: see our vacant houses as a solution that we could

714
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: be developing, you know, like hubs. You know, maybe the

715
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 6: housing first process, you know, and that's something that we

716
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: have developed when it comes to co living, you know,

717
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 6: we deal with private landlords and individuals that allows us

718
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 6: to use spaces or occupy or rent a room or

719
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 6: single room occupacy. It's enough of that and brought Timore City.

720
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 6: And unfortunately, you know, I've spoken to the Homeless Director,

721
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 6: I've spoken to some of our city officials, and again,

722
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 6: you know, they seem to have a tendency if you

723
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 6: don't have the money to invest in these houses, they

724
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 6: don't have the heart to say, Okay, here go two houses,

725
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 6: let's do a pilot program. Let's develop something in these

726
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 6: two houses. You know that can be an immediate solution

727
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 6: to get a person from under the bridge. And it

728
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 6: might be a project or a pilot project that is

729
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 6: for unsheltered individuals. Only. These are the individuals that's occupying

730
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 6: our streets, our woods, our corners, encampments are developing all

731
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 6: over our city. I don't care if it's a pocket

732
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 6: encampment where it might be two people, or if it's

733
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 6: a whole encampment where you got twenty or thirty people.

734
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 6: The encampments are the issue, and they should be addressed urgently,

735
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: not going to them with dump trucks and forcing them

736
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: to leave if you come into an encampment. We should

737
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 6: have solutions in our city other than forcing them into shelters,

738
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 6: because a lot of individuals they will rather stay on

739
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 6: the street than to go into some of these shelters.

740
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 6: And it's not so much the shelters I learned, it's

741
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 6: a lot of the people that work in the shelters

742
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 6: that create a problem for a lot of our homeless individuals.

743
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 6: Like they just go in there with a wrong attitude

744
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 6: of the population that they're dealing with.

745
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. I eight away from

746
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: the top. They minister flowers. Some of the homeless have

747
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: emotional problems. They don't want to be they don't want

748
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: to they like living on the streets regardless of the weather.

749
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: What do you do with those folks?

750
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 6: You give them the opportunity car That's where engagement comes from. Okay,

751
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 6: now you do have a population that may be like,

752
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 6: you know, I'd rather stay on the streets than to

753
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 6: deal with some of the bureaucraticness and some of the

754
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 6: issues in these shelters. But that's where engagement come in.

755
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 6: You should engage them. They need that opportunity to express

756
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 6: why they choose to stay on the streets. And again,

757
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 6: some of them got mental issues. I mean, I got

758
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 6: a lady downtown, like, you know, she's unapproachable, and that's

759
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 6: when you got to kind of use other means to

760
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 6: get to engage them, even if you have to ep them.

761
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 6: You know how many homeless people that I had to

762
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 6: do an emergency petition on because they felt like I

763
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 6: was the only one they could talk to or deal with.

764
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 6: And then I had to recognize as bigger than me,

765
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: like you got to get this person in a place

766
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 6: to where they are medicated properly, because a lot of

767
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 6: them are on the streets, unmanageable, unmedicated, not dealing with

768
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 6: their mental health nor their physical health issues. So again,

769
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 6: we have to look at every detail before we look

770
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 6: and discriminate or speak bad or think, ain't no solution.

771
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 6: It's a solution. It's just how many people like a

772
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 6: Christina Flowers out there trying to help y'all find a

773
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 6: solution that is better than leaving these people on the streets,

774
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 6: you know, And I think God called because the only

775
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 6: nights I spent homeless is being out there with them

776
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 6: or making sure we're managing an encampment or dealing with them.

777
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 6: Other than that, you know, this is my Godly purpose

778
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 6: And I know God, So let me.

779
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: Jump in and ask you this though, because how do

780
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: you feel? Because you know you help the homeless, but

781
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you got a home

782
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: you can go to. You know, you got a home,

783
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: you could go watch TV. You didn't have to be

784
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: out there helping them. But you know, these folks they

785
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: going to be still on the streets.

786
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 6: They still left out there. Sometimes something I'm stay be right.

787
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 6: And one thing, Carl, we're going to have a conversation

788
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 6: about is you have your chronically homeless individuals. And people

789
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 6: don't like to separate identities about categories of homelessness. You

790
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 6: have your chronically homeless population, you have your difficult placements,

791
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 6: and those are the individuals that could be difficult to

792
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 6: place anywhere because they got behavior problems, because they have

793
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 6: mental issues, it's a category if you really do your

794
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 6: understanding teaching and coaching and you have the heart for

795
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 6: God's people. Trust me when I say this, Carl, It's

796
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 6: a category that they fall into that a lot of

797
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 6: people publicly talk about it like Hood talks about housing first.

798
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 6: There's no housing first practices in Baltimore City. They're not

799
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: taking people out of tens and putting them in houses.

800
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 6: You might start application in the tent, they gonna keep

801
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 6: coming to visit you in the tent. You're gonna be

802
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 6: in that tent until you meet that qualification or you're

803
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 6: eligible to go into housing. And guess what call If

804
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 6: you get scattered off an encampment and they pull your

805
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 6: name out of the Lucky Lottery box of housing, they

806
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 6: got ten to fifteen days to find you. If they

807
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 6: don't find you in that ten to fifteen days, you're

808
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 6: back off the list. And this is the type of

809
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 6: things that we have to kind of fix because if

810
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 6: I get thrown off of this encampment today, and this

811
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 6: is where the outreach worker is used to coming to

812
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 6: see me at They got all my information, they got

813
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 6: all my vital documents, they got all my information. But

814
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 6: now I'm getting thrown off of this encampment. So I'm

815
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: gonna go somewhere else where I might not be found

816
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 6: right away. I might go further in the woods. Matter

817
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 6: of fact, I'm just leave bought them all together, and

818
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 6: go somewhere else. So again, we are creating a database.

819
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 6: And this is what homeless services do. They create a

820
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 6: database of individuals, and they have the appearance of we're

821
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 6: housing people.

822
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 10: No.

823
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 6: A lot of times. If you don't find that person

824
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 6: in ten to fifteen days, that person is off the list.

825
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 3: Wow.

826
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Hold, I thought right there, Minister Flowers. Oh, I thought

827
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: we gotta check the traffic and weather, not different cities.

828
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: It's four minutes away from the top. They have family

829
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: just waking up. I guess this, Minister Christina Flowers, they're

830
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: off the streets of Baltimore City. She works with the housed,

831
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: helping hundreds and thousands of homeless folks in that city.

832
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? You want to join this conversation,

833
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

834
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take at phone calls

835
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: after we check the traffic weather in a different cities.

836
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: That's next and.

837
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Grand rising family in facts are waking up with us

838
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: on this Monday morning with our guests. Minister Christina Flowers

839
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: from Baltimore City, the streets of Baltimore.

840
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: That's that's her office.

841
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: She works with on house the homeless folks down there

842
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: are quite a few of them, and this is what

843
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: she's doing, and she does it consistently. That's one of

844
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: the good things about mister Christina Flowers. We love to

845
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: speak to her as we can continue to celebrate Women's

846
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: History Month and throw the spotlight and some of the

847
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: sisters who would do really doing things in our community.

848
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: Before we let it go that we got to tell

849
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: you that she's got a challenge here. And Minster Flowers,

850
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought, but let me just

851
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: throw out the challenge for the new listeners. If you

852
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: have ten dollars you want to start and you want

853
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: to start the week on a positive note, this is

854
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: one for one of our callers said this Zell Minister Flowers,

855
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: ten dollars towards a meal or a pair of gloves

856
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: or pair of socks for the homeless. So that's the

857
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: challenge that one of our listeners put up. But Minister

858
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: Flowers will let you finish your thought.

859
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 6: No, and I know we're in closing call. I just really,

860
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 6: you know, as much as conversation we have had in

861
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 6: this fourteen years of a process, you know, we just

862
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 6: all always want to end on a note that you know,

863
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 6: God has given us our mutch and assignments. And I

864
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 6: thank God for me for it's fourteen years. Like I

865
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 6: didn't come in just like you know, I came in

866
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 6: kicking and screaming because I was wondering, like how can

867
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 6: we leave people in the streets like this? And one

868
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: thing I would like to encourage not only our city

869
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 6: and other leaders, like this is not a topic or

870
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 6: issue that we can operate in our feelings and in

871
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 6: our emotions. And a lot of times my activism has

872
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 6: created a lot of emotions and feelings with other community leaders,

873
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 6: with our clergy community leaders. You wouldn't believe it, you know,

874
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 6: but between the politics and the clergy issues that we

875
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 6: experience and we face opposition of, you wouldn't think homelessness

876
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 6: would be an issue where people want to be in

877
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 6: their feelings over I tell people, get out your feelings,

878
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 6: you know, no matter how I addressed you fourteen years ago,

879
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 6: ten years ago, distrust that God has been consistent in

880
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 6: my spiritual growth, that I humbly understand the things that

881
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 6: I have adopted over the years. And that's kindness, that's love,

882
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 6: that's patience, that's some of the things that a lot

883
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 6: of people, individuals in our city don't practice like. You know,

884
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 6: they get in their emotions, they get in their feelings.

885
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 6: Oh she's showing too much on camera, Oh she too aggressive,

886
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 6: Oh she came across this way. Well, a lot of

887
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 6: times were all going to come across things in a

888
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 6: different manner, especially when we don't understand it. When you

889
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 6: ask me about how do I feel? You know, my

890
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 6: heartbreaks every day at times when I see individuals, mothers

891
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 6: and children suffer just to get a hands out, just

892
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 6: to get a help, you know, and it seemed like

893
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 6: a battle to where individuals probably would look at, you know,

894
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 6: me as an individual, move me out of the way,

895
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 6: and just trust God when it comes to a solution

896
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 6: for our most vulnerable individuals and the lease of them.

897
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 6: Because we get ten to twenty calls every day families, mothers,

898
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 6: and children. We work with some of the top agencies

899
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 6: in this city, you know, Adult Protector Services APS services.

900
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 6: When we're dealing with seniors. I'm grateful for my reputation

901
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 6: that I have with a lot of these agencies, but

902
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: it's a lot of individuals that don't know how to

903
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 6: get out of their feelings and their emotions unless fix

904
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 6: the problem. Especially in Baltimore City, it's fixable. We can

905
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: end street homelessness. And I don't allow no one to

906
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 6: say anything else. If you stand something else, that means

907
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 6: my people are being destroyed because of the lack of knowledge.

908
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 6: And when you don't have the knowledge and understand the

909
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 6: things that God open the doors for, you're always going

910
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 6: to walk around like you're blinded. So I ask people,

911
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 6: we got to start working towards solutions and fixing this issue.

912
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 6: And I thank you call so much because I think

913
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 6: I'm going to make you the radio show host.

914
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 9: Of the year.

915
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 6: I'm gonna pick out something because we got to keep

916
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 6: information out there that affect us on the day to

917
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 6: day basis. We don't need to be focused in Huba,

918
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 6: Spain and some other places. We need to focus right

919
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: here and understand that we see suffering every day. It

920
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 6: may not be a bomb dropping on us every day,

921
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 6: but we see our seniors, our elderly people, our mothers

922
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 6: and children. I ask a girl the other day, where's

923
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 6: your family? If you twenty twenty five thirty years know

924
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 6: where your family at? You know, So those are the

925
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 6: type of things that what you.

926
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 3: Say, though, flowers, what did she say?

927
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 6: But you know they they burned bridges, you know, some

928
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 6: of these young young mothers. I'm learning that too, Like

929
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 6: twenty five thirty you got three four kids. You know,

930
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 6: people have came and take advantage of these young women,

931
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 6: these young girls, you know, they struggling with homelessness and

932
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 6: they got three and four kids. That's because someone has

933
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 6: came and taken advantage of them at a vulnerable time

934
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 6: in life. And the young lady actually said, you know,

935
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 6: her mom is out there, she know, dealing with drugs,

936
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 6: you know, and she been taking care of herself since

937
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 6: she been fifteen. So a lot of these homeless issues

938
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 6: that deals with mothers and children, it's really negligence within

939
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 6: the family itself because someone didn't even have the opportunity

940
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 6: of the time to get to be a child. She

941
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 6: was sixteen having babies. She ain't get to be a teenager,

942
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 6: you know, she didn't get to exclore those things. That's

943
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 6: another whole topic call don't.

944
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: Right and those are and those are the issues that

945
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: you deal with on a daily basis.

946
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 6: Well, listen that we have to deal with.

947
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 9: That's why right.

948
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: We've flat out a time, Minister Flowers, How could folks

949
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: who want to take up that challenge for one of

950
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: our listeners and you know, just spends ten dollars, that's

951
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: all we're asking family ten dollars?

952
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: How do they reach you?

953
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 6: Call the ten dollars challenge? My email is C Flow

954
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 6: thirty two. That's C Flow thirty two at gmail dot com.

955
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 6: They can reach out and call us four one zero

956
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 6: three six five five five sixty seven. And don't forget

957
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 6: this Saturday is our first first fundraise of the year.

958
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 6: If you want to enjoy some good food, you could

959
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 6: definitely email me or or call me in reference to

960
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 6: the dinners that we are having for Saturday, March the fourteen.

961
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 6: That's our monthly network meeting call that we have every month.

962
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 6: You know, shout out to chem Trueheart up there at

963
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 6: the Liberty rec Center. We go there once a month

964
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 6: just to engage our community. Those that are interested or

965
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 6: have a like minded heart for humanity and want to

966
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 6: work with our homeless population.

967
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 7: I thank you.

968
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 6: Called so much. I thank your listeners and I think

969
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 6: those who calls, and I have a couple of folks

970
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 6: that have called me from your show, and I thank

971
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 6: you for that because again, you know, we have to

972
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 6: keep sounding the alarms and the trumpets about this and

973
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 6: consistency is something that I thank God for giving me

974
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 6: the health and strength to have in this situation.

975
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: All right, and thank you for what you do. Minister Flowers,

976
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much.

977
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 9: Work you called.

978
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: Love you to pieces all right, family, love you more.

979
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: The Flowers eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

980
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. Brothers, Sadika, Cambo and Grand Rising, welcome

981
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: back to the program.

982
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 10: Brother all good to get your voice, and thank you.

983
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: For being so patient with us as we dealt with

984
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: the homeless situation man, because you know it's it's it's

985
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: a serious problem. I know you've got homeless in your

986
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: city up there in Boston, and for some reason, man,

987
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: they all look like us, you know. So if we

988
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: don't do it's something, nobody's gonna help them. We're gonna

989
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: have to help ourselves. So I just go, but brother, family.

990
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: Brother Sidiki is from the Nubian circle, Nubian Circle group,

991
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: and they're having a big meeting. This this weekend is

992
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: the big meeting.

993
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 10: It's a big summit, yes, Monster fourteenth and it's a

994
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 10: Newbian Leadership Circle. And essentially what it is is that

995
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 10: we're categorizing it as the Strategic Summit because of the

996
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 10: fact that what it is is that you know, we've

997
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 10: done like eleven summers in the last or three he

998
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 10: is Kyle and uh you know, ten were via zoom

999
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 10: and one was live. And essentially for folks will say, well,

1000
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 10: how did you do that many summits? Well, what it

1001
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 10: is is that uh, in terms of the uh N

1002
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 10: Nubian Leadership Circle. Uh, what it is that I had

1003
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 10: a conversation with miss mister fire Cohn when we first

1004
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 10: were getting off the off the ground, and he said,

1005
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 10: from a momentum perspective, he suggested consideration of of doing

1006
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 10: a summit on a quality basis initially to get the

1007
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 10: momentum going. So we were doing the summits uh uh every

1008
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 10: four months, like I said, ten by zoom and then

1009
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 10: number eleven was uh live in Washington, DC. So uh,

1010
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 10: what it is is that, uh, in regards to the

1011
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 10: Strategic Summit, it's primarily uh about the work now, because

1012
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 10: what it is is that uh, cause the summers we

1013
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 10: had were it wasn't a matter of having a program

1014
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 10: situation where we'd have a featured speaker and talk about

1015
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 10: uh how great uh summer number four. No, No, it

1016
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 10: was all about the work and that, you know, and

1017
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 10: trying to get folks involved in the work. Cause we

1018
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 10: have like eight cadres uh you know example, you know,

1019
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 10: the family Essence, Spiritual renewal, economic development, landing, food, art

1020
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 10: and culture, communication, technology, international advocacy, health and education, and

1021
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 10: so what it is for the summits, we'd put it

1022
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 10: out there for folks to register. In fact, you know,

1023
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 10: uh our website is uh Neuvian Leadership Circle dot org

1024
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 10: and people would sign up for the various u k

1025
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 10: u K S situations that I just mentioned, uh, for

1026
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 10: folks to participate as it pertains to the work. And

1027
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 10: so what we're doing on the fourteenth, beginning eleven o'clock

1028
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 10: am each to standard time, is that we're going to

1029
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 10: convene this strategic summit, and it's about updating folks but

1030
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 10: also getting folks active in the various cadres, the eight

1031
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 10: cadres that we have. You know, we've had work ongoing,

1032
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 10: but we're saying that folks, there's other folks we know

1033
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 10: that we want to come on board and for the

1034
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 10: actual strategic some of itself. Our teacher speaker will be

1035
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 10: a brother, doctor Cornell West, and you know, in a

1036
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 10: revolve around the scene that we have and we're getting

1037
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 10: a lot of energy. But you know, this is not

1038
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 10: about show time called. This is about getting the work done.

1039
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 10: That's what this is about.

1040
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: Gotcha thirteen after the top of the alley. So is

1041
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: there anything special that doctor West is going to deliver

1042
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: this summit, any marching orders or plan or programs or what.

1043
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, what it is? Doctor West understands the fact

1044
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 10: that of course they they refer to him as being

1045
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 10: a motivational speaker, and that's essentially why we've got him

1046
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 10: in this slot because of the fact that we've got

1047
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 10: folks who are doing work. But we also know that

1048
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 10: for a lot of the folks who signed up for

1049
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 10: the various cadres that ah, we want them to become involved.

1050
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 10: So we know one hundred percent are not going to

1051
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 10: come up, but we're looking for a certain percent of

1052
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 10: the folks that are saying, oh yeah, well, I signed

1053
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 10: up for such and such cadre and such and such summit,

1054
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 10: and I'm you know, willing to do some work. And

1055
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 10: so we're not talking about just local how we're talking

1056
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 10: about national international, Like we've got to some folks from

1057
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 10: Haiti in London along with you know here in this country.

1058
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 10: And so we're still in the building stages, you know,

1059
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 10: like we have the the Circle satellites, and when I

1060
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 10: say Circle satellites, like for instance, we got a Circle

1061
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 10: satellite New England, which involves Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island,

1062
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 10: with the intent being that they work in conjunction with

1063
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 10: each other until they have the capability to set up

1064
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 10: their own program and their respective areas, and we look

1065
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 10: up for that type of growth. But primarily it's about

1066
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 10: the work, Kyle. It's about the work what we've gotta

1067
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 10: do for our people. And it gets back to what

1068
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 10: you refer to is that it's about due for self.

1069
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 10: That's why you know, we're not a five oh one

1070
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 10: c three, not reaching out to the government or whatever.

1071
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 10: We're just saying that in terms of the brand minds

1072
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 10: that we have out here and the existing resources that

1073
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 10: we can do what we need for ourselves just like

1074
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 10: everybody else. You know, we get into this mentality about

1075
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 10: we can't as black people, we can't do anything without allies.

1076
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 10: When the so called allies they do for themselves. The

1077
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 10: only allies that we're looking to is each other in

1078
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 10: our community. And that's where we're going. And that's what

1079
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 10: this Strategic someone is about. That's why we call it

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Speaker 10: strategic because of the fact that it's about we're focusing

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Speaker 10: on the actual cadres themselves and seeing too that the

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Speaker 10: work is being done and we felt that there was

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Speaker 10: appropriate at this time. So that's where we're at on

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Speaker 10: the fourteenth of the month, eleven o'clock a m. Eastern

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Speaker 10: Standard time, and we're saying the folks come on board.

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Speaker 10: We actually have sent out a letter to all the

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Speaker 10: participants from the former summits that we've done inviting them

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Speaker 10: to participate. Also, like I said, I gave out the

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Speaker 10: website newbing Leadership Circle dot org so that folks will

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Speaker 10: go to the website that want to sign up for

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Speaker 10: the Strategic Summit. So that's where we are right now,

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Speaker 10: and we're getting a lot of energy.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold that energy right there. We've got to

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Speaker 1: step aside for a few months. Seventeen minutes after the

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Speaker 1: Top of the family, want to get in on this

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: conversation with our guest that brother Sidiki come home from

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Speaker 1: the Newbiing Leadership Circle having a big summit meeting taking

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Speaker 1: place this weekend. You can get involved as well. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll ask them about the cadres how

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: you can get involved. All you have to do is

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four to five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and one ticket phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and grind Rising Family. Thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us. Twenty minutes after the Top day with our guest,

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Speaker 1: Brother Sandigi comebon. Brother Sidiki is with a new being

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Speaker 1: Leadership Circle and having a big event this weekend, a

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Speaker 1: strategy meeting. And then if you can find it, doctor

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Speaker 1: Cornell West to help them out as well. And they

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Speaker 1: have these different cadres that they set up, Brother Sidiki,

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Speaker 1: can you explain what the cadres are and how can

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Speaker 1: people get involved?

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Speaker 10: Sure, well, that's very important, and let me preface it

1113
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 10: by saying this, Kyle, that we're trying to make it

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01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 10: very clear to everybody that you know, we're on a

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Speaker 10: coalition building mission. So In other words, it's not like

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Speaker 10: we've come up with this new concept in terms of

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Speaker 10: an idea and we want folks to come on board

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Speaker 10: with a moving leadership circle and join us. What we're

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Speaker 10: saying is that our mission is that we identify the

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Speaker 10: various organizations out here that has specific skill sets, and

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Speaker 10: we're saying, hey, how can you in fact come together

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Speaker 10: with other groupings with similar missions. Maintain your sovereignty but

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Speaker 10: work together, Like, for instance, for landing food. One of

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Speaker 10: our objectives down the line is that you know you've got,

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Speaker 10: you know, the black farmers nation of Islam. You know

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Speaker 10: various groups that are in that world around food, and

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Speaker 10: so what about having little many summits for folks who

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Speaker 10: are involved in that endeavor and how they can work

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01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 10: cooperatively in terms of seeing to it. Then you know

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Speaker 10: that we've come up with our food that we need

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Speaker 10: for ourselves. So what it is is that, in terms

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Speaker 10: of what you were just talking about is that the

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Speaker 10: eight codrees, they have felt essential to the develop and

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Speaker 10: growth of our community. So like, for instance, like I

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Speaker 10: just gave an example about landing food, and I should

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Speaker 10: mention the fact that we have coal facilitators for each

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Speaker 10: one of these coudrees that have responsibility for seeing too

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Speaker 10: that the word gives out to folks. We have economic development,

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Speaker 10: and it's about what we can do because we always

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01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 10: talk about how poor we are as a people. In

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Speaker 10: the reality, Kyle is that we have a GMP as

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Speaker 10: Black people of three point five trillion dollars and we

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Speaker 10: would be ranked at the ninth wealthiest nation in the

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Speaker 10: world based on But you know, we keep telling ourselves

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 10: we don't have that type of resource, and we run

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Speaker 10: out through the malls and the subselerts and throw our

1147
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 10: money away and we'll say, hey, uh, we need to

1148
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 10: do what's necessarily uh necessary for ourselves. And I know,

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 10: you know, we've got art and culture and I know

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Speaker 10: that on occasion, uh brother Quaverini is on your show

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Speaker 10: and he's co facilitator for art and culture, and uh

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Speaker 10: you know, we've got international advocacy, health and education, and

1153
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 10: like I said, spiritual renewal, family essence about what we

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 10: need to do to in fact, uh see to it

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Speaker 10: that our families function and such a manner that they

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Speaker 10: produce the type of uh atmosphere, if you will, that

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Speaker 10: encourages our young peoples here like they're committed to what's

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Speaker 10: in the best interest of the community, not of themselves,

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Speaker 10: but the community itself. So that kind of gives you

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Speaker 10: a sense of what it's in that what's really important

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Speaker 10: call is that, uh, this strategic Summit, what it is

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Speaker 10: is that it's introductory in nature. When I say introductory,

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Speaker 10: what it is it's like you mentioned, we've got Brother

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Speaker 10: Cornell West. But what it is is that, uh, you know,

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Speaker 10: we'll have the Black National anthem and what have you.

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Speaker 10: But in terms of the program format, what it is

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Speaker 10: is that you know, I'll be doing the introductory piece there,

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Speaker 10: but you know, the cole facilitators for each one of

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Speaker 10: the cadres, you know, uh, they'll have like five minutes

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Speaker 10: apiece to talk about their cadre and to let folks

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Speaker 10: know the date and time of their respective sessions, if

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Speaker 10: you will, for their their cadre that will be happening

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Speaker 10: in the future. And what it is is that they'll

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Speaker 10: be promoting their working shop. Each one of the cadres

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Speaker 10: will have a working shop that folks can become engaged

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Speaker 10: with you. And it's simplistic in nature because they're trying

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Speaker 10: to attract as many people as possible. You don't have

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Speaker 10: to have a dree, a degree and I don't know,

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Speaker 10: uh NASA type training or what have you to participate.

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Speaker 10: So we're trying to say that folks, look, you know,

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Speaker 10: this is basic organizations. You know, like like like I

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Speaker 10: mentioned the whole thing about land and foods. You know,

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Speaker 10: one of the things that we're looking at the andre

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Speaker 10: is you know, do you have a family garden? Do

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Speaker 10: you know other folks in your neighborhood that have a

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Speaker 10: family garden? Can you bring those folks together on a

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Speaker 10: cooperative basis and come up with foods in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 10: So that kind of gives you a sense of that

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Speaker 10: the strategic Summit is not the typical summit, if you will,

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Speaker 10: in terms of just presentation. It's about folks. This is

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Speaker 10: where the newly leadership circle stands right now. We're about

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Speaker 10: the work and we'll letting you know when these various

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Speaker 10: cadre working shops will be convened in the future. And

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Speaker 10: you know, we have a deadline of April fifteenth. So

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Speaker 10: what it is is that all in terms of all

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Speaker 10: the various cadres, the folks who have signed up in

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Speaker 10: the past, and for those who are interested that that

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Speaker 10: information will be made public and you know, there'll be

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Speaker 10: THEA zone and the literature that we have sent out

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Speaker 10: has a link on there so that folks can participate.

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Speaker 10: It's coming forward the fourteenth of March, but also beyond

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Speaker 10: as we move forward.

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Speaker 1: You know twenty seven hafter tough. What I like about

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01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: your group, Brother Sidiki. You don't sit around blaming other

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: folks for our problems because we have some brilliant brothers

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: and sisters in our community. Every problem that's out there,

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01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: we can solve it because we solve the problem. Is

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: we solving other people problems? How do we get them

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: to join your group to solve our problems? Because that's

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01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: where your group is concentrating on, because we all know

1211
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: what the issues are, instead of just talking about them

1212
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: and blaming the man won't let me do this and this,

1213
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: or come up with excuses instead of just trying to

1214
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: figure out a way to do which you just got

1215
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: to figure it out. So where did that come from, though,

1216
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: that that do for self? Where did that come from

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: in your organization? Brother Sidiki?

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Speaker 10: Okay, Well, essentially you know in terms of the history,

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 10: what it is, brother Kyle, is that I was involved

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Speaker 10: with the group that will Minster fire kind of coverage

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Speaker 10: Doctor ben Javis, I started nails and that's African national

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Speaker 10: African I can't told me. But then it was based

1223
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Speaker 10: in DC. I did work with that and that was

1224
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 10: about what could we do for ourselves and it didn't

1225
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 10: fulfill his total mission, But then it also was involved

1226
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Speaker 10: the main man match. In fact, here in Boston we

1227
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Speaker 10: had the main man makemobilization can be the greater Boston

1228
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 10: and we sent him about fifty buses down. But what

1229
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Speaker 10: it is is that those were examples of what we

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 10: It gets back to what you said, we have the

1231
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 10: capability to take care of ourselves. And so that you know,

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Speaker 10: that's been the focus and the same as it pertains

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01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 10: to the motivation around new to mean Interastip circle because

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Speaker 10: you know, I had a blog at you I was

1235
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 10: doing and the numbers are getten pretty significant, and so

1236
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 10: folks were saying, well, brother Sadiki, can you make the

1237
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 10: NLC in turn of which is a blog at the time,

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Speaker 10: become a reality? And so we convened a meeting in

1239
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Speaker 10: DC at a restaurant, had about thirty folks in leadership

1240
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 10: in attendance, and I had a draft in regards to

1241
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 10: the proposal full the new the Leadership Circle Mission and

1242
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 10: went through it line by line and so what it

1243
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 10: is that you know there was addition, subtractions, what have you?

1244
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 10: When came with the final document as it pertains to

1245
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 10: what the operational function would be at the NLC. And

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Speaker 10: that was the beginning. And like I said, that's when

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 10: we moved forward with the various summits that we've convened.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we stand right now a thirty minutes

1249
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Speaker 1: at the top of our family just check it in.

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Speaker 1: I guess his brother Cidy could come home from the

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Speaker 1: Nubian Leadership Circle. They having a meeting this weekend with

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Speaker 1: doctor Cornel West. I always ask you this question though,

1253
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: because it's it's vile to us as a people. What's

1254
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: what's carved out for the youngsters? The young people?

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Speaker 10: Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. The experience that

1256
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 10: I've had another folks has had is that the bottom line,

1257
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 10: cause whenever we convene some type of lodge convention or whatever,

1258
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 10: and we have we have the different categories. You notice

1259
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 10: that with our cadres, we don't have a use cadre.

1260
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 10: And that's for a specific reason because of the fact

1261
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 10: that whatever we convene, like for our various summits, you know,

1262
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 10: we can we say the folks, it's open to anyone anywhere,

1263
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 10: like from ten years old up to ninety. And we

1264
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 10: don't have a US cadre. And the reason being is

1265
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 10: that the experiences that I've had call is that when

1266
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 10: we do these major events, we have a youth cadre

1267
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 10: and they go into their session and then reconvene. They

1268
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 10: come out and they give their report about their findings,

1269
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 10: and we give them a standing ovation and talk about

1270
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 10: how they're our future and how brilliant they are. But

1271
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 10: then we move forward, they kind of like in many respects,

1272
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 10: kind of ostracize in terms of their opinion. So we

1273
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 10: have a format where like I mentioned, the registration process

1274
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 10: that like I said, and they were from ten to

1275
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 10: around ninety. And so what it is is that we

1276
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 10: invite our young people to sign up just like everybody else,

1277
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 10: so that when we have Archdre sessions, they are involved

1278
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 10: in whichever area they're interested in and we in fact

1279
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 10: look at and respect and value their input. So that's key,

1280
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 10: you know, because count our whole thing is about to

1281
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 10: move this whole process forward. If young people are not

1282
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 10: involved and committed to what we're doing, then how are

1283
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 10: we going to have a future for the NLC without them?

1284
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 10: We can't do that. So we encourage our young people

1285
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 10: to register and participate and understand that their voice will

1286
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 10: be heard as it pertains to what the final considerations are.

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01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: All right, twenty eight away from the top. Now, those

1288
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: young folks that you talk to, brother Sidiki, are they

1289
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: concerns different or vastly different from the adults.

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Speaker 10: I wouldn't say vastly, but you know, in many respects

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Speaker 10: they bring some ideas and new energy into the whole

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Speaker 10: process that probably wouldn't be there without them, you know.

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Speaker 10: And I you know, I tell people look at us,

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Speaker 10: says I'm a convenier, but I acknowledge the fact that

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Speaker 10: every situation is a learning situation for me and particularly

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Speaker 10: with our young people because of the fact that you know,

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Speaker 10: there's a lot going on out there that that we

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Speaker 10: you know, I'm a grandfather. There's a lot that going

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Speaker 10: on that I'm not aware of it, you know, Like

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Speaker 10: sometimes I'm a novelge when that comes to the world

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Speaker 10: of technology and so what it is. Very often I

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Speaker 10: call them my grandson to help me do some things

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Speaker 10: because of the fact that I understand the fact that

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Speaker 10: there's a whole nother world out there that I'm not

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Speaker 10: aware of that he's involved in. And so he's a

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Speaker 10: valuable asset in terms of a lot of the work

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Speaker 10: that I do because of the fact that you know,

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Speaker 10: he has the knowledge and he's a participant in that

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Speaker 10: young world in terms of what's going on then, and

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Speaker 10: I look at him as a resource to help me

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Speaker 10: understand at least get a sense of what young people

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Speaker 10: are talking about and think about the present time, so

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Speaker 10: that when we put information out there, it's appropriate and

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Speaker 10: it makes them feel like it's inclusive as it retains

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Speaker 10: their participation.

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Speaker 1: Got you twenty seven away from the Top a family,

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Speaker 1: I guess the brother Sideki Cambon, and that's the voice

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Speaker 1: you just heard. He's from the Nubian Leadership Circle and

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Speaker 1: they have a big meeting this weekend that doctor Cornell

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Speaker 1: West is going to be the featured speaker. One of

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Speaker 1: the issues I got to ask you about the brother Sideki,

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Speaker 1: not just with doctor West, but with the group in itself.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys going to discuss what's going on politically internationally,

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Speaker 1: what's going on with the attack on Iran, what's going

1325
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Speaker 1: on with the elections or Donald Trump or do you

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Speaker 1: avoid politics entirely?

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Speaker 10: No, you know, it's not a matter of avoiding like

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Speaker 10: for instance, like being very candid that we don't talk

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Speaker 10: about democrats, democrats and Republicans. You know, we talk about

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Speaker 10: what it is that we can do because of the factors,

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Speaker 10: you know, like for instance, well, you know, we have

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Speaker 10: the international advocacy, so of course in terms of that

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Speaker 10: cadre whatever is out there in the forefront right now internationally,

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Speaker 10: that's something that they covered. But it's about what's in

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Speaker 10: the best best interests of our community and you know,

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Speaker 10: and how we in fact address that specific situation. But

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Speaker 10: you know, like for instance, would uh would President Obama?

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Speaker 10: We didn't talk about, well, how can we reach out

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Speaker 10: to the government and President Obama because of the fact

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Speaker 10: that you know, with that with that infrastructure and the

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Speaker 10: fact that you know he's being controlled by other bodies.

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Speaker 10: Is that we don't look at that is the route

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Speaker 10: that we want to take. It's about what can we

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Speaker 10: do based on the resources in the mindsets that we

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Speaker 10: have as a people, that we can do for ourselves.

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Speaker 10: So when it comes to the democratic republican republican piece

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Speaker 10: there around that put political aspect, you know, we don't

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Speaker 10: even deal with that. We don't deal with that at all.

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Speaker 1: All right, good ye try to five away from the

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Speaker 1: top there with Brother Sidiki, Combo, Brother Sidiki. This this

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Speaker 1: meeting that you're going to have, is it open to

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Speaker 1: the public or is it just for members of the

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Speaker 1: NEWBI Leadership Circle.

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Speaker 10: Well, the members of the members of the New v

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Speaker 10: Leadership Circle are the public. And like I said before

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Speaker 10: that we encourage folks the journey, not it like for

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Speaker 10: their upcoming strategic summit. You know, you know, we've had

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Speaker 10: hundreds and hundreds of folks in the various summers in

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Speaker 10: the past, and what it is is that you know,

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Speaker 10: we have evening listenings for all of them. But for

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Speaker 10: this strategic summit, if there are folks who are interested,

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Speaker 10: all they have to do is go to our website

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Speaker 10: Neuvie Leadership Circle dot org and then in fact can

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Speaker 10: sign up for one of the cadres and be a participant.

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Speaker 10: Although this is an open forum for anybody our community

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Speaker 10: that feels like they want to commit to doing the

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Speaker 10: work that's necessary to upgrade our status as chains to

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Speaker 10: what we need to do as a people solo without

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Speaker 10: the public, how we couldn't do what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hold that though, right there, we've got to

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Speaker 1: step aside, get caught up in the ladies' news, traffic

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Speaker 1: and weather in our different cities. Twenty four minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top their family. I guess his brother Sidiki

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Speaker 1: come boone from the Nubian Leadership Circle, and they having

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Speaker 1: a summit this weekend, and or you're invited, and when

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Speaker 1: we get back, he'll tell us more about that meeting.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to speak to him directly right now,

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Speaker 1: hit us up at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen minutes away from the top there with our guests,

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Speaker 1: the brother Sidiki come boone from the Nubian Leadership Circle.

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Speaker 1: They're having with the term strategic summit this weekend this Saturday,

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Speaker 1: to be exact, you think, is there a theme for

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Speaker 1: this weekend's meeting.

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Speaker 10: Yes, in fact, I wish I had in front of it.

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Speaker 10: But basically it's the new mealership mission being promoted with

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Speaker 10: the approval of our ancestral perspective. And so you know

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Speaker 10: that unto itself is the theme. And since what it

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Speaker 10: is is that I just want to emphasize the whole

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Speaker 10: thing called is that when we say strategic Summit that yeah,

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Speaker 10: we've got the dynamic Brother Cornell West that's going to

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Speaker 10: be there. But we don't want folks to understand the

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Speaker 10: fact that that's the primary feature. You know, Brother Cornell

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Speaker 10: is cooperating with us because he understands that he's participating

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Speaker 10: in terms of motivating folks to be a part of

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Speaker 10: our work mission. Because as I said before, the folks

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Speaker 10: who are going to be featured are the folks who

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Speaker 10: are you know, in the leadership roles as it pertains

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Speaker 10: to the various cadres, so that they'll they'll be able

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Speaker 10: to explain to folks because each each cadre will have

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Speaker 10: represented for not only in terms of where their present

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Speaker 10: cadre stands, but folks will be informed in terms of

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Speaker 10: the date and time when they will be convening their

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Speaker 10: respective working shops. We call them working shops. Folks folks

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Speaker 10: who come on board, who sign up for the various cadres.

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Speaker 10: Like for folks who are interested in say Spiritual Renewal Day.

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Speaker 10: In fact, will be giving the information in terms of

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Speaker 10: when there's session well you know the date and time,

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Speaker 10: and in fact, the entire list for all the cadres

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Speaker 10: in terms of when they're going to be scheduled as

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Speaker 10: it pertains to their working shops, will also be on

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Speaker 10: the website. And if there are folks who have any

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Speaker 10: kind of questions called, you know, we have a national

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Speaker 10: number phone number of two zero two five to seven

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Speaker 10: nine two zero five. That's two zero two five to

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Speaker 10: seven nine two zero five. So this is not your

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Speaker 10: traditional summit. This is about bringing folks together who have

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Speaker 10: indicated a specific era of interest and expertise and say, okay, folks,

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Speaker 10: let's get at it. And that's what the working shops

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Speaker 10: are about. So it's about the work, not just showcasing

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Speaker 10: the NLC. It's about what happens after the strategic summit.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, got you away from the top, and now the

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Speaker 1: sum is some of this taking place and the different

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Speaker 1: workshops of cadres. Uh, can you do you have to

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Speaker 1: be picked choose one or two? Or could you say

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Speaker 1: I want I want to go. I think you have

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Speaker 1: one on the economics and Communications and as you mentioned

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Speaker 1: spiritual renewal. What if I wanted to do you have

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Speaker 1: to you know, get the different times when those are

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Speaker 1: or they're all going on simultaneously.

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Speaker 3: How does that work?

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Speaker 10: No, No, what it is is that we set it up.

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Speaker 10: You know, like I said, it's going to be via

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Speaker 10: Zoo and we have a link. So we're setting up

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Speaker 10: the schedule so that we don't want like two cadres

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Speaker 10: as that's happening at the same time or what have you. Uh.

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Speaker 10: So that's why we're gonna be putting up. But also

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Speaker 10: let me just say the one thing that we really

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Speaker 10: emphasized Kyle from the very beginning in terms of establishing

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Speaker 10: the movie leadership circle is that you know, we have

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Speaker 10: the eight cadres, and when folks sign up for a

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Speaker 10: specific cadre, we say, the folks, you know, you focus

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Speaker 10: on that cadre and we don't want a thing where

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Speaker 10: somebody says, oh, man, I think I'll deal with uh

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Speaker 10: economic development this time. No no, uh, we say the folks,

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Speaker 10: in terms of your area of interest, you sign up

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Speaker 10: for that. In terms of continuity, that's where the work is.

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Speaker 10: So like for instance, with this strategic Summit, we don't

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Speaker 10: want it to be a situation where folks says, well, well,

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Speaker 10: for the last time for the for the actual last

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Speaker 10: summit we had, I signed up for UH spiritual renewal.

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Speaker 10: I think this time no, no, cause we've we Our

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Speaker 10: referral point has been the listings that we've had in

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Speaker 10: the past and the variou summons where folks will signed

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Speaker 10: up for the different areas, and so those folks will

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Speaker 10: be receiving invitations to their specific cadre working shop inviting

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Speaker 10: them to participate based on what they've indicated their interest

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01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 10: level is in terms of doing the works, so which

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Speaker 10: will make it a very cleator. Folks. We don't want

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Speaker 10: you to just participate in terms of what you you're

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Speaker 10: interested in. We want you to indicate what you specifically

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Speaker 10: not only interested in, but are prepared to do some

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Speaker 10: work in. So don't go to three and four different

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Speaker 10: sessions or what have you. Whatever. The one you sign

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Speaker 10: up from the initially, that's the one we want you

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Speaker 10: to focus on.

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Speaker 1: Turn away from the top and how long have you

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Speaker 1: been doing this one? When did it start? You say

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Speaker 1: it was Minister Falcon was the inspiration, but you had

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Speaker 1: to put it together. So how did this come about?

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Speaker 10: Well, actually you know, actually what it is is that,

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Speaker 10: as I've stated before, my might haven't been involved with

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Speaker 10: the National African American with Ben Chavis and that whole

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Speaker 10: piece and then the main man match, and you know,

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Speaker 10: when you have a chance to observe the capabilities the

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Speaker 10: potential of our capabilities out there. And that was about hey,

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Speaker 10: and like I said, folks, when I have my blog

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Speaker 10: Moving Leadership Circle blog, folks are think can you make

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Speaker 10: that become a reality actively? And then that's when you

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01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 10: convened the meeting in DC and I had a draft

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Speaker 10: about the mission and we went through it line by

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Speaker 10: line and that was the birthing of it. And so

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Speaker 10: then when we talk about what we were talking about

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Speaker 10: UH having the uh the top for a summit and

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Speaker 10: you know, and doing on an annual basis, and what

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Speaker 10: happens in a conversation that I had with the fire

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Speaker 10: con he's the one that said, you know, brought us

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Speaker 10: a decade from from more momentum perspective, you might wanna

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Speaker 10: do it on a quordinarly basis in the beginning to

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Speaker 10: get the type of momentum going. And then possibly you

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Speaker 10: can look in terms of making these sessions happen on

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Speaker 10: an annual basis, So of course, you know, we moved

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Speaker 10: on that and like I said, in in about three

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Speaker 10: three and a half years, we've done uh via zoom,

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Speaker 10: we did ten summits and then number eleven was live.

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Speaker 10: So that's why folks said, well, holler at you. Then

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Speaker 10: that number of summits is a short period of time

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Speaker 10: and it was, uh you know, from a st strategic

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Speaker 10: perspective that we did that. And you know, we took

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Speaker 10: heed in terms of the suggested by the Minister about

1502
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 10: initially doing.

1503
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 1: Quarterly Yeah, I mean I actually so in nine away

1504
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: from the top of that, who are some of the

1505
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: because Connor Wes is going to doctor Corneer Wes's going

1506
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: to be the speaker this time around, but who are

1507
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: some of the other speakers who have addressed the new

1508
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: leadership circles.

1509
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 10: We've had the likes of Minister Fira Khan, former coloss

1510
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 10: woman uh Cynthia McKinney, just a number of folks out there,

1511
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 10: Kyle who have in fact been featured speakers for the

1512
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 10: variou summers that we've been out there. So we've been

1513
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 10: very pleased and a lot of that has to do

1514
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 10: with that the fact that they were would agreement that

1515
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 10: we're talking about doing something within the framework of doing

1516
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 10: for self. And so you know, like for our for

1517
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 10: a summer we had we hadn't Minister Lewis firera Khin.

1518
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 10: You know, we We've had Fred Hampton junr has spoken

1519
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 10: just right across the board. We've had a lot of

1520
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 10: notable for when I say notable folks who are out

1521
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 10: there in our liberation struggle who addressed past summits and

1522
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 10: this this is actually going to be you know, we've

1523
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 10: had Doctor West in the past. But you know, in

1524
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 10: terms of this format, like I said, we call it

1525
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 10: strategic because of the fact that in terms of the timing,

1526
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 10: that the focal point is the work of the Cadres

1527
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 10: and the reason why we're going to be really you know,

1528
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 10: prior to going to Doctor West, that we're going to

1529
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 10: give a small period of time for each one of

1530
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 10: the Cadre CO facilitators to in fact talk about their

1531
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 10: respect of the Cadre mission and let folks know when

1532
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 10: their uh you know, that their working shops is going

1533
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 10: to be uh convene and like I said before, you

1534
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 10: know it'll be on a zoom and we want to

1535
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 10: make it very clear to the folks were saying, well,

1536
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 10: wait a man, Uh you know, am I am I

1537
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 10: qualified to participate. It's for anybody who wants to participate.

1538
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 10: And you know what it is is that we keep

1539
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 10: things it you know, on a simplistic basis, Kyle. Like

1540
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 10: I mentioned the whole thing about landing food, one of

1541
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 10: the contests could be about, hey, if you've got a

1542
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 10: neighborhood giden or you got your own guiden, you gotta

1543
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 10: have folks in the neighborhood, can you bring them together?

1544
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 10: You know that type of situation. Uh. So it's you know,

1545
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 10: it's about getting folks engaged. And then you know, like

1546
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 10: for economic development, developing a dues process, you know, a

1547
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 10: small amount per month. But this is all about attracting

1548
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 10: folks into the process, making them understand the fact that hey,

1549
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 10: you know, you can participate in terms of whatever level

1550
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 10: you choose to.

1551
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 6: Uh.

1552
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 10: And it's not about a matter of you know, you

1553
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 10: got to have a certain skills said, or you got

1554
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 10: to have this number of degrees. You know, we just

1555
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 10: need to know that you're committed to uplisting the status

1556
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,879
Speaker 10: of black people in this country and locally and nationally

1557
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 10: and you're working up, participating.

1558
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 1: Stick away from the top. I come on a break,

1559
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: but this has grown to be global. Now are the

1560
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters across the planet in the diaspora? Are

1561
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: there are there issues different from what we have here

1562
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: in the US.

1563
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 10: You know, that's not you know, not the experience that

1564
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 10: we're getting, because there seems to be a certain amount

1565
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 10: of commonality in terms of understanding that we're gonna come together.

1566
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 10: And let me just say this car is that I

1567
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 10: know folks talk about, you know, the issues that we're facing,

1568
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 10: you know, worldwide. But I'm a grandfather, but you know,

1569
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 10: I'm feeling something out here, not only in terms of

1570
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 10: young people on the continent and whether it be Jamaica

1571
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 10: or whatever, but young people here. I believe that there's

1572
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 10: something brewing. And you know, we see what happened in

1573
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 10: Africa factor. I was stunned when they said that eighty

1574
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 10: percent of the population in Africa is twenty five years

1575
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 10: old and younger. And that I believe, you know, I

1576
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 10: believe that there's something actually growing with our young people here,

1577
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 10: and I believe there's gonna be a journey of hands.

1578
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 10: And I know there's folks of white supremacy. I know

1579
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 10: they're taking notice and they're concerned about what's going on.

1580
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 10: So I believe that it's inevitable that we're gonna make

1581
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 10: things work for us. And folks have to understand the

1582
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 10: fact that you know that they workforce are they I

1583
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 10: look at the whole thing about the Maga boys who

1584
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 10: went a couple of months ago, had the nerve to

1585
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 10: go to stage a demonstration on the campus of Tennessee

1586
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 10: State University, our HBCU, and next thing you know, you

1587
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 10: look and they was running off the campus with their

1588
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 10: hats in their hands being chased by the students. Don't

1589
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 10: underrestimate our young people. I believe they're gonna step up,

1590
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 10: and they go step up strong.

1591
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I agree to listen and

1592
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: far away from the top. We gotta step aside and

1593
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: get caught up with the traffic and weather or our

1594
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: different system. When we come back, though, give us an

1595
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: update on the word Nubian, because you would manage to

1596
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: get the I think a train station, change a park

1597
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: or some other facilities changed to Nubian. Give us an

1598
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: update and what's going with that, because I know you

1599
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: were trying to get some mother the name Nubian more

1600
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: changed more in the Greater Boston area as well. Family,

1601
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: you two can join our conversation with our guest, brother Sidiki,

1602
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: come bone. He's from the Nubian Leadership Circle and they're

1603
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 1: having a strategic meeting this weekend involving a former presidential candidate,

1604
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: doctor Cornell West and you're all invited. You want more information,

1605
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

1606
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

1607
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: after we check the traffic and weather. That's next and

1608
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: Grant Rising Family FACS are rolling with us on this

1609
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: first day of the week, Monday morning. Our guest is

1610
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: brother Sidiki come boom. Momentarily we're gonna speak with Professor

1611
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: James Small. Brother Sidiki is with the Nubian Leadership Circle

1612
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: and brother Sideki before I let the well for the

1613
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: trafficking weather update. My question to you was you've been

1614
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: if you manage to change a number of buildings and

1615
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: sites in in the Boston are the Greater Boston are

1616
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: to Nubian, how does that go on? You get any

1617
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: pushback because the last time we talked, you still had

1618
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: wanted to change the name some more places the name Nubian.

1619
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, well, you know you're in Boston, Like I'm

1620
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 10: the uh the director of the Black Community Information Center

1621
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 10: that's been around since about all about nineteen eighty or whatever,

1622
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 10: all volunteer and uh, you know, and our presence is

1623
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 10: about demonstrating to our community that we can as as

1624
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 10: I stated as the past, but the NLC about doing

1625
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 10: for self. So like, uh, we've you know, we've led

1626
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 10: campaigns to you know, take down a lot of these

1627
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 10: uh these names that honored you know, racist uh life.

1628
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 10: So back in nineteen ninety eight, we let effort to

1629
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 10: have the former Washington Park renamed Malcolm X Park. We

1630
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 10: had New Dudley Street renamed Malcolm xIC Boulevard. You know

1631
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 10: Thomas Dudley in the sixteen hundreds, he was the governor

1632
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 10: of Massachusetts and led the first effort to legal high slavery.

1633
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 10: You know, we have the Community Quanta Committee. This year

1634
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,799
Speaker 10: now that's huge. We do the annual Malcolm X's Breakfast

1635
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 10: for getting ready to do well. The Quanta. Next year

1636
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 10: will be the fifty year anniversary. The upcoming breakfast for

1637
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 10: Malcolm X will be nover thirty nine. You know, we

1638
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 10: led an effort to send two trailer truckloads of water

1639
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 10: down to Flint, Michigan. There's a mall in the Grove

1640
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 10: House section of Dorchester. It was the vision of the

1641
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 10: Lake Great Walter Little, and he elicted our support to

1642
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 10: make the NDC Grove Hall become a reality, built the

1643
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 10: mall and so this economic government there. But along the

1644
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 10: piece of NuGen Car that you were talking about, is

1645
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 10: that what it is is that we had Dudley Square

1646
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 10: and so of course that you know that's our primary

1647
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 10: commercial shopping district, but it's much more expansive district commercial

1648
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 10: than itself. But we just said that it made no sense

1649
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 10: that we our primary commercial sharby district is a name

1650
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 10: that the racist like him. So it was a ten

1651
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 10: year campaign. But what happened was that there was a

1652
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 10: valid question on the web fifth twenty nineteen and the

1653
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 10: community voted overwhelmingly almost ninety percent to change the name

1654
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 10: from Dudley Square to Nubian Square. And prior to the vote,

1655
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 10: I had made a presentation to the Transportation Committee down

1656
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 10: at the mass State State House, and based on the

1657
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 10: results of the vote to change the name of Dudley

1658
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 10: Square to the Nubien Square, that the legislative vote legislature

1659
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 10: voted overwhelming in support of the name, renaming Dob's Station

1660
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 10: to Nubian Station. And so what it is along the

1661
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 10: line of what you brought up, is that we've been

1662
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 10: getting some resistance. Now we want the library to be

1663
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 10: called the Nubian Library, and we're getting resistance, and a

1664
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 10: lot of that resistance is being led by uh the

1665
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 10: mayor U Michelle who who's an agent woman. That's why

1666
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 10: I tell people a lot of times that whole thing

1667
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 10: about we need allies and that to move forward, and

1668
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 10: that that whole piece of bout people of color. Uh,

1669
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 10: the alliance of people of color is overrated because of

1670
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:41,919
Speaker 10: the fact that this mayor is leading the campaign against

1671
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 10: the Nubian name. But what's really important, Kyle, is that

1672
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 10: what we're seeing, and course we have to watch out

1673
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 10: for uh gentrification, But in Nubian Square, UH, there's a

1674
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 10: there's a whole different spirit. And what has happened is

1675
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 10: that resources are now coming up.

1676
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 3: UH.

1677
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 10: In fact, we just had a U school that had

1678
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 10: been located UH closer to downtown Boston. They in fact

1679
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 10: have gotten rid of their property and have relocated to

1680
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 10: Rustbury and now, of course it's it's called it's called

1681
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 10: the Franklin Cummings uh Institute of Technology. And what we're

1682
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 10: trying to do is get the Franklin name came of

1683
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 10: Rouston because the school was really decided a hundred and

1684
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 10: eight years ago, uh and was the support of Brent Franklin,

1685
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 10: who was a outright racist. And uh we're saying that

1686
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 10: right now, we're fighting to have that name, take his

1687
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 10: name taken down because of the fact that, uh they

1688
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 10: they always talk about how he had a printing press

1689
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 10: and was you know what he did put on different

1690
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 10: but they don't talk about the fight. The first of all,

1691
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 10: he was a slave owner. Uh yes, he did put

1692
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 10: out printed materials, but a lot of material, uh was

1693
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 10: wanted posters for runaway slaves that slave catchers used to

1694
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 10: track down runaway slaves to recapture them or even kill them.

1695
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 10: And plus he was known to be quote unquote woman Niza,

1696
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 10: and he had slaves and he was raping black women.

1697
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 10: So the bottom line is it, how is it that

1698
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 10: every time I go by that school, brand new facility,

1699
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 10: training our young people in technology, but when I see

1700
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 10: that name, you know, cause my mom's was my hero

1701
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 10: in my life. When I see that name up there,

1702
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 10: I says, no, we're we're gonna fight that until that

1703
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 10: name comes down because of the fact that the way

1704
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:39,799
Speaker 10: he violated black.

1705
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 3: Women, so well, good for you.

1706
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 10: And there's a whole different type of consciousness what our

1707
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 10: young people call because you know, always being taught. You know,

1708
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 10: I remember I was taught in high school. What have

1709
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 10: you that that's our history began with slavery. With our

1710
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 10: youngsters now, you know, they're embracing the whole thing Nube name,

1711
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 10: and they want to know about the Nuby and the empire,

1712
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,759
Speaker 10: which is the most powerful empire in the world centuries

1713
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:11,600
Speaker 10: a girl. Although and when we talk architecture, medicine, you

1714
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 10: name it, it's all started with us. And so we

1715
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 10: understand the fact that that's why we're starting to get

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01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 10: some resistance now from the forces of saying, hey, there's

1717
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 10: too much nubiing out here.

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Speaker 1: I got you listen, we gotta let you go because

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01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: I've got Professor Small on deck before we go. Let

1720
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 1: you go though this this meeting this weekend you have

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01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: with doctor Corneille West, give us the details. How can

1722
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: folks get involved in phone number or email address welcome.

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Speaker 10: It's it's a strategic summit being sponsored by the Nubian

1724
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 10: Leadership Circle and we encourage folks to come on board.

1725
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 10: We get like I said, we get the eight cadres,

1726
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 10: we're working cadres like Economic Development, renew what have you,

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01:39:55,120 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 10: and that on Saturdays fourteenth. This is via zoom. Weren't

1728
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 10: gonna be having a strategic summit, and we're calling strategic

1729
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 10: because of the fact that it's about course, we're gonna

1730
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 10: have doctor West there to inspire folks. But the bottom

1731
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 10: of mine, this is about engaging with the folks who

1732
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 10: signed up for the various cadres of the past at

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01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 10: the various summits to say that there's gonna be working

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01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 10: shops convened on different dates and times led by the

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01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 10: UH the CO facilitators, so that for those who signed

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01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 10: up in the past that they can in fact continue

1737
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 10: to be involved with their cadre. And for the folks

1738
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 10: who are interested a couple on board, they can go

1739
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 10: to our website UH Nubian Leadership Circle dot org or

1740
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 10: where the information was were to list the dates and

1741
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 10: times of the various UH cadre working shops, or they

1742
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 10: can call us at UH to zero two five, two

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01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 10: seven nine two zero five. But come on out, like

1744
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 10: I said, uh anywhere from ten on up years of age.

1745
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 10: You're welcomed to joining the work. And this is about

1746
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 10: what we're gonna do for ourselves. And we're coalition builders.

1747
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 10: We're not coming out here with a new idea about

1748
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 10: how folks what you should do with the organization. Was saying,

1749
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 10: your organization is doing work that similar to other organizations, though,

1750
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 10: how do you come together, say like around landing food

1751
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 10: as it pertains, how you can work in conjunction with

1752
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 10: each other and still maintain this oority. So we expect

1753
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 10: it's gonna be powerful and we're looking forward to account.

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01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: All righty, thank you, brother Sinek. Thank you for what

1755
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 1: you do up there in the Boston area, and thank

1756
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: you for reaching out to the people are globally now

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01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: with your organization.

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01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, and well let me just say that we're

1759
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 10: we appreciate the framework of what you put out their

1760
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 10: brother Cown because there's a certain uniqueness and everybody talks

1761
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 10: about you know, your show and the information that you

1762
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 10: share as vitals to the up listening little lives of

1763
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,600
Speaker 10: black people all across the country. In the world. So

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01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 10: we appreciate you.

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01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,679
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for those converts. How considered my show.

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01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: It's a people's show. This is for us, this is

1767
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: a black people's show. Thank you, gotcha?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Family ten half the tough that's bringing Professor Jameswell, Professor Small,

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01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: grand rising brother, and thank you for being so patient with.

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Speaker 5: Us, No grandvis and you had a great man. I

1772
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 5: know brother Kim Bones, brother Sadekon. He's doing excellent work.

1773
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 5: And I lived up in Boston a long time and

1774
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 5: go back and forth, so I've known him over the years.

1775
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 5: I've seen the work he's done over the years. We

1776
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 5: need more people to focus in the immediate community to

1777
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 5: bring about the kind of change that will impact the

1778
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 5: spikey about community on a daily basis. Yeah, and he's

1779
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 5: doing that kind of work.

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Speaker 3: So great, Professor Small.

1781
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Before we get started, we got to ask you about

1782
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Revend Jesse Jackson. Your thoughts on his legacy.

1783
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Reverend Jackson had a legacy that speaks for itself.

1784
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 5: He was out there a long time. I did get

1785
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 5: to know him, interact with him a few times out

1786
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 5: in both in New York but especially out of Chicago.

1787
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 5: But the man I mean, he never gave up. You know,

1788
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 5: from the time he was sent to Chicago, the open

1789
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 5: Operation Bred Basket and with the death of the Doctor Game,

1790
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 5: you know, he created the Rainbow Coalition trying to pull

1791
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 5: the communities and the varied allies of the black community together.

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01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 5: The work has won, and I had a lot of

1793
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 5: success across the country. This is a man who had

1794
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 5: the audacity to run for press when no one thought

1795
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 5: a black person could even have their name call at

1796
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 5: the convention, and came very close to really being in

1797
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 5: there before President Obama. But of course we always have

1798
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 5: those enemies that can use the media to knock us

1799
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 5: off point. But he didn't let that knock him down.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Here's a man who can

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01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 5: go to Europe and free captured American soldiers when the

1802
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,879
Speaker 5: American government couldn't do it. He can go to Iran

1803
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 5: and meet with the Ayatola and free hostages from the

1804
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 5: American embassy, the women and the blacks who were held

1805
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 5: hostage that the Ayatola wanted to release but would only

1806
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 5: release it to him. Being one that was storm on

1807
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 5: voter registration man probably is responsible for registering me into

1808
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 5: black voters. He understood that he'd be living. American voting

1809
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 5: is how we achieved political power, and he learned to

1810
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 5: use that very well. And it was clear when you

1811
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 5: watch his funeral, so many people that he personally helped,

1812
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 5: like Isaiah Thomas. I judge, who, goodness, Judge's going to

1813
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 5: strangle me forgetting his name? Uh huh?

1814
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,959
Speaker 3: Just was it, Judge matthis Judge.

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Speaker 5: Mathis Yes, yes, sir, I mean people who he touched

1816
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 5: personally with his hands, you know, and watch him and

1817
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 5: Isaiah give their testimony, even the President Obama who interacted

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01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 5: with him in his early years of being a worker

1819
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 5: in the community. And I saw, you know, a lot

1820
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 5: of work I did out in Chicago over the years.

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01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 5: I thought, the work that he did, and how he

1822
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 5: can deal very local and show up at a place

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01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 5: that people wouldn't suspect someone if his statue would come,

1824
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,879
Speaker 5: and yet he can step out on the world stage

1825
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 5: that with the biggest, biggest personality in the world politically

1826
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 5: and culturally, and still make statements that was significant to

1827
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 5: the situation in the time. So he cemented himself in history.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that was his intent. I think his

1829
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 5: intent was to do the work and He did the

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01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 5: work the best he could, but what he had. And

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01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 5: I'm proud that he was a South Carolina he was

1832
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 5: a high Land Geechee like me. I'm a lowland Geechee.

1833
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 5: But he's a homeboy in that spiritual sense. And we

1834
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 5: just blessed we had somebody like him at the time

1835
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:41,639
Speaker 5: that he existed in the physical realm on this earth.

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01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:47,440
Speaker 5: So I give credit to his family and wife particularly

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01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 5: and the children, because you know, when you got a

1838
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 5: father out in the world doing what he's doing, you

1839
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 5: can't do a lot for your family that you would

1840
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 5: want to do. But I'm sure she understood, and that's why.

1841
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 10: She was with them.

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Speaker 5: All of these he is and we just glad to

1843
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 5: have had a spirit like Jesse Jackson, a voice like

1844
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 5: Jessey Jackson, a man with the courage of a Jesse Jackson.

1845
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 5: He didn't have to always agree. I didn't agree with

1846
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 5: some of his politics and moved over the years, but

1847
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 5: I do respect and praise him for the contribution and

1848
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 5: the work that he did for us.

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01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll come up and breaking. Let me just say,

1850
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: on a personal note, you know, Reverend Jesse Jackson knows

1851
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: about it. Just about every reporter across the country. So

1852
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: when he called me, hey, we're going to get Mandala out.

1853
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Tell Stevie, give you two weeks off and I come

1854
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: roll with us. I said what I went. I don't

1855
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: know why he selected me. Family, he was you know,

1856
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: people think of something. No, he just says called me

1857
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 1: because he was running for August then. And if you

1858
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: look at one of the covers of Time magazine, there's

1859
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 1: my microphone there with with Reverend Jackson. So we were

1860
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 1: but there are all the stations were covering him as well.

1861
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: He had the Stays from Chicago with him and they

1862
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: wanted our station got involved. But anyway, I just want

1863
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: to thank add that to his legacy, you know, the

1864
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:10,799
Speaker 1: whole Mandela experience. Listen, professor, Professor Small speaking about Africa.

1865
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: You know some of our ex pats in Ghana, they're

1866
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 1: applying to get the Ganaian citizenships and they're running into

1867
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: a little roadblock. If you will now, I want you

1868
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: to address that when we get back, because I told

1869
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: him you're going to be here. Many of them are

1870
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 1: listening right now, seventeen minutes after the top day our family.

1871
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 1: You want to get in our conversation with Professor James

1872
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 1: Small reach out to us at eight hundred and four

1873
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

1874
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

1875
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 1: waking up. It's joining us on this Monday morning. I

1876
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,640
Speaker 1: know some of you probably took another hour extra, you know,

1877
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 1: because of the time change. Twenty one minutes after the

1878
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 1: top day though, I guess is Professor James Small. Professor

1879
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 1: Small on our top Scots and Grillo in our community,

1880
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: and we always go to him when we have issues

1881
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 1: because it seems to have the magic words. As I

1882
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: mentioned before we left for the break, a lot of

1883
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: our listeners listening to us in Ghana, some of them

1884
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: living the prompt Professor Small is very familiar with the

1885
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: entire country of Ghana. Well as you know, Professor Small,

1886
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 1: many of them are seeking citizenship in Ghana, and they

1887
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: got to Gane. They thought it would be easy just

1888
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: to go in and you know, just make an application

1889
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 1: and pay and then your granted citizenship. Somehow, the the

1890
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: Geneian government has changed the rules a little. They've increased

1891
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: them the money that you got to pay and make

1892
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: it just I wouldn't say difficult, but they've added some

1893
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: requirements to the to the application to get citizenship. And

1894
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: this is affecting some of brothers and sisters who made

1895
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: the move there and thought that, you know, because they

1896
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 1: were invited there, they thought it was sort of being automatic.

1897
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 1: So what I told him, he's going to be So

1898
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 1: now many of them are listening. So your thoughts to

1899
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:49,719
Speaker 1: the changes in getting citizenship in Ghana, Yes, sir.

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01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 5: The first thing today about one hundred and fifty people

1901
01:49:54,760 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 5: is being sworn in as citizens at the Internet National

1902
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 5: I think Cultural Center in Ghana. So they are granting

1903
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 5: those people who had their applications in and who paying

1904
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 5: the fee that was asked. But there were some other

1905
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 5: changes made they step back on one. One was a

1906
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 5: DNA test. One was of clearance with the police in Ghana.

1907
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 5: You got to be cleared with the police and the

1908
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 5: country you come from, and the police in Ghana was

1909
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 5: a new addition. The DNA was a new edition. I

1910
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 5: think they dropped those two requirements. But the Parliament set

1911
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 5: the price and it wasn't that easy to change that

1912
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 5: because Parliament makes laws and regulations in the course of

1913
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 5: parliamentary business. My problem with the citizenship I'm not even

1914
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 5: arguing about everybody there different people running around saying I'm

1915
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 5: responsible for it, I did this, I did that. We

1916
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 5: get that in all communities around the African world, people

1917
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 5: taking credits, sometimes more than they deserve or sometimes more

1918
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 5: than they're done. But when President Muhamma was leaving office

1919
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 5: in his first term after President Males died, he was

1920
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 5: the first one that did what you might call a

1921
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 5: math citizenship for a number of our people. And then

1922
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 5: when President of Kufordu was leaving office, he tried to

1923
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 5: duplicate that he literally doubled the people. But their process

1924
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 5: was shady from the beginning. Not shady, but shaky. No

1925
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 5: one in the world. I don't know a country in

1926
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:40,759
Speaker 5: the world that would allow people to come into their country,

1927
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 5: no matter who they are, without having a process to citizenship.

1928
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 5: And for though, I think for those of us in

1929
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 5: the Dead Sporo who got here by a way of slavery,

1930
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 5: should have a different track from anybody else because we

1931
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:57,759
Speaker 5: didn't abandon our home and leave it. But that's something

1932
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,799
Speaker 5: we should negotiate, that's something we should put in place,

1933
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 5: and that should then be made a part of the

1934
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 5: government process. Because I believe in stability, I believe in

1935
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 5: harmony and balance in government. And you can't just do

1936
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 5: what this one we have as a president, what the

1937
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:19,759
Speaker 5: personality called a president do as a whim. They should

1938
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 5: be a productcause the president don't run a country. There's

1939
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 5: a government, and the government don't run the country except

1940
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 5: at the will of the people. There's a people. And

1941
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 5: so I think that the process was not a good process.

1942
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:33,719
Speaker 7: It was an.

1943
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 5: Arbitrary political process. And then the other part is that

1944
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:42,799
Speaker 5: person's who had never been to Ghana, but with the

1945
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 5: relations and look up, they go to Ghana, fill out

1946
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 5: all the papers and stuff just to get citizenship and

1947
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 5: come back and say I got Ghana citizenship. I've owned

1948
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 5: a business there for twenty something years. I know others

1949
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 5: have owned business and worked there for forty something years

1950
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 5: who had to go through some sort of process. And

1951
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 5: I remember when this whole process started and a lot

1952
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 5: of people who now claim they don't know where it started.

1953
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 5: And the first when the Kuma body, the first president

1954
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 5: was moved from his hometown to the Inkuma Memorial in

1955
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 5: Akra now doctor Jeffries and I was invited over by

1956
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:26,640
Speaker 5: President Rollins to be a part of that process. And

1957
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 5: after that was done, we were on the yacht the

1958
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 5: President's who we yacht on the boat to lake and

1959
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 5: I was summoned by a man named Kojo Chikata who

1960
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 5: was the I guess he was the head of the

1961
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 5: intelligence division in Ghana, but he was certainly one of

1962
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:47,280
Speaker 5: the most powerful men in the Rollins government. Everybody knows

1963
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 5: how powerful Chicago was. And Kojo and I talked and

1964
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 5: he had a request of me. The request was, would

1965
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 5: I be willing to go to the television and the

1966
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 5: radio and make a call for dual citizenship for those

1967
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 5: in the da sportas That's the first time that that

1968
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 5: went out, and it did end up on the ballot,

1969
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 5: but somebody made sure it got on the ballot right

1970
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 5: next to the qualifications for the presidency, and of course,

1971
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 5: Gotans out of fear, voted it down. Four years later

1972
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 5: it was on the ballot again and this time it

1973
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 5: got voted in. But when it got to the parliamentary committee,

1974
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 5: they created a concept called the right of abode for

1975
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 5: those of us on the daspora who was non gun

1976
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 5: In and for Ganans there was a pathway to dual citizenship.

1977
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 5: Those expatriot had gotten ends and a lot of the

1978
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 5: daya splori and I understood why I had an issue

1979
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 5: with that, with that dual track, but they did. God,

1980
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:59,880
Speaker 5: I had in place a process and pathway to citizenship,

1981
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 5: but the African Americans who had gone there within crewmer

1982
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 5: and those who had come afterwards was not really being

1983
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 5: treated very fairly by different governments in terms of being

1984
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 5: able to get that pathway to citizenship. So it was

1985
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 5: after Muhammad made that first move that the doors really open.

1986
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 5: But it started with the Rollins government and with Chikata

1987
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 5: taking the lead on that issue. And I think now

1988
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 5: they are trying to work out a pathway and it

1989
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 5: should be and I say this to the Dsporence, don't

1990
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 5: be unrealistic. We are dealing with a government in Ghana,

1991
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 5: not an organization nor a personality, and we're not going

1992
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 5: to be here forever. So we should have put in

1993
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 5: place a methodology and a pathway towards citizenship that would

1994
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 5: be to the advantage of those of us in the future,

1995
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 5: and it would not be one where people just jumping

1996
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:00,160
Speaker 5: a plane go to Ghana for the first time. The

1997
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 5: citizens should get a passport and come back here. That's

1998
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 5: almost insulting to me. And I'm not the Ghana government

1999
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 5: so I understand why there's a kind of a backlash

2000
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 5: coming from the Ghana population. It isn't just the government.

2001
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 5: There are many people in the Ghana population that don't

2002
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 5: like the way it's being run. And I think it's

2003
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 5: an administrative process that those of us from the diaspora

2004
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 5: and the Ghana government needs to negotiate. So it makes

2005
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 5: sense and it's fair to both party and we won't

2006
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 5: have the kind of shock and awe that we got

2007
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago when on a Friday night, a

2008
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 5: few a week or two before they were supposed to

2009
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 5: be a swearing in, these new criterias popped up and

2010
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 5: there was a lot of reaction both from this side

2011
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 5: and from those who living in Ghana. But I think

2012
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 5: they've worked some of it out, but they're in the

2013
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 5: process still, multi organizations, and I hope they would get

2014
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 5: more united on the ground working towards trying to come

2015
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 5: up with a pathway that is appropriate for both the

2016
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 5: people of Ghana and those about to desire citizenship in Ghana.

2017
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 3: All right.

2018
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Twenty eight halfter the top of our sister shareda you know,

2019
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: sister shareda she splits her time between Ghane and Compton.

2020
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 1: She says we can always bank on, Professor Small, you

2021
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 1: always bring receipts. She goes on and say, tell our

2022
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: people the truth. But let me ask you this though,

2023
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: Professor Small, is there some some pushback from the Ghanaian

2024
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 1: people themselves or this is the Ghanaian government when it

2025
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 1: comes to granting us us from the Dasport citizenship.

2026
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 5: No, I think there's a pushback from not so much

2027
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 5: a push from the people as a pushback because it

2028
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 5: seems like this I'm not spoken to a number of Ghanaians,

2029
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 5: both on this side and there at home and spoken

2030
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 5: on a number of platforms. It's not an unusual kind

2031
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 5: of pushback when the people who live in a country

2032
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 5: see another population coming in the country, especially the population

2033
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 5: that has more resources than their do have in their country,

2034
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 5: as in financial resources, people coming with another culture, and

2035
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 5: I've heard the discussion, well, you know, it's hurting our

2036
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,520
Speaker 5: culture and you get those things in any country. So

2037
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 5: I don't see that as being negatively significant. That will

2038
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 5: be solved as we learn to create partnership, and we're

2039
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,320
Speaker 5: getting a lot of that because most of the black

2040
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 5: business people I know in Ghana from this side have

2041
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 5: a partnership with Blacks who live in Ghana. Many of

2042
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 5: our brothers and sisters from this side have married men

2043
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 5: and women who live in Ghana, so it isn't two

2044
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 5: clear sides having a problems. And many have become, you know,

2045
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:56,760
Speaker 5: officials in the traditional system it's cheap and sea and

2046
01:58:56,920 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 5: queen mothers and trained to be priests and compos and others.

2047
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 5: So there's all kinds of integration going on. But you

2048
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 5: always have a segment where there's a population a fear

2049
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 5: that will this heavy immigration of people that may be

2050
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 5: more trained than we are, have more capital than we are,

2051
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 5: Will they negatively impact our society with the cultural differences

2052
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 5: and cultural value and ethic and moral difference that I

2053
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 5: had that discussion a lot. Will that impact our culture?

2054
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 5: So those kinds of fears and those kinds of discussions

2055
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 5: are going on, and we need to be happy to

2056
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 5: engage in those kinds of discussion because if you don't

2057
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:42,800
Speaker 5: engage in dialogue, you don't solve problems. You know, you

2058
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 5: don't solve problem. And on the government side, the government

2059
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 5: is trying to get stability and standards in place, but

2060
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 5: also like any governmental process and give up, they're trying

2061
01:59:56,680 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 5: to make some capital for the government too, ay certain fees.

2062
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 5: The certain things here in America has to do with government.

2063
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 5: Other people from outside getting citizenship have to pay certain fees.

2064
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:12,240
Speaker 5: I think what I said earlier that African Americans and

2065
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 5: African Caribbeans and Central South Americans who came over here

2066
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 5: as a results of slavery should be given a different

2067
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 5: pathway to citizenship, not just in Ghana, but in all

2068
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 5: African country that does not involve anything that would inhibit

2069
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 5: us from moving easily back into the continent. And that

2070
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 5: the costs shouldn't be unrealistic for the average person. We

2071
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 5: can't say there's no costs at all, because there's whenever

2072
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:45,320
Speaker 5: you're doing any kind of government processing things cost money.

2073
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 5: Even printing costs money. Lights and gas from meeting all

2074
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 5: costs money. So we understand things that some comes to costs,

2075
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,080
Speaker 5: but it should be reasonable.

2076
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:59,480
Speaker 1: And that the professor small a twenty get away from

2077
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 1: the top down. I think the issue for many of them.

2078
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:04,800
Speaker 1: He said, they invited us, and then they you know,

2079
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: it's like you get an invitation and then they changed

2080
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:09,200
Speaker 1: their requirements that.

2081
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 5: Negro ignorance and I'll not play on that field. And

2082
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 5: of course they invited us and be ot to thank God.

2083
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 5: No other African country has opened itself inviting us like

2084
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:22,200
Speaker 5: God has, and some of our everybody have gone over

2085
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 5: there haven't been good players on our part too, so

2086
02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 5: we need to like not actually we went over there

2087
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 5: with this whole humble righteousness. Many of us didn't go

2088
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:37,200
Speaker 5: with humble righteousness. We went with Negro arrogance and American ugliness.

2089
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:40,440
Speaker 5: And people have a right to resent that kind of

2090
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 5: behavior whoever it comes in. But most of our people

2091
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 5: went over there because they wanted to move from America.

2092
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:50,240
Speaker 5: They wanted to go home, they wanted to become a

2093
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 5: part of Africa. And so let's not confuse them. And

2094
02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 5: we're not even behaving righteously in America communities we are

2095
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:05,600
Speaker 5: part of. We haven't even performed most of us in

2096
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:08,680
Speaker 5: a way that we would even call positive. And some people,

2097
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 5: I'm sure they're running away, but I can understand running

2098
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 5: away without having met any responsibilities here. And there's some

2099
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:17,720
Speaker 5: who just saying I don't want to be in America,

2100
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 5: and I don't blame them. Some want to get away

2101
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 5: from racism and violence and all the ugliness we have

2102
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 5: endured for four hundred years. And yes they're going home,

2103
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 5: and yes, Ghana invites you to come, but because you

2104
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:32,040
Speaker 5: are invited to come home, it doesn't mean that there

2105
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:35,040
Speaker 5: is in a governmental process that makes sense for both

2106
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 5: Ghana and US that should be in place. It is

2107
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 5: disrespectful to assume that one should not.

2108
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: Do you think all of this should have been worked

2109
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 1: out before they get on the on the plane, the

2110
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 1: professor small, they should have these conversations stateside or if

2111
02:02:52,760 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 1: you're coming from London or wherever.

2112
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:59,400
Speaker 5: We should have those conversations wherever we are. And Ghana

2113
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 5: has set up an Officer's Visborign Affairs now to try

2114
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:03,320
Speaker 5: and deal with that.

2115
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,000
Speaker 10: And we do have a.

2116
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 5: Diplomatic protocol Ambassador's Office with Ambassador Bennett, which is a

2117
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 5: legitimate U ambassadorial protocol in Ghana that's some seem to

2118
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 5: disagree with, but when it was being founded, others weren't

2119
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:26,080
Speaker 5: in place to do it. And it's an ambassador office

2120
02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 5: that's recognized by the OAU, the European Union, the United

2121
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:34,720
Speaker 5: Nations and all governments in Africa and especially Ghana that

2122
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:39,520
Speaker 5: has given it the credentials necessary. We need to unite

2123
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:42,040
Speaker 5: and work together. Part of the problem is there's a

2124
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:45,720
Speaker 5: lot of egos that gets in the way of solving

2125
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 5: the problem from our side, which isn't abnormal. But let's

2126
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:54,640
Speaker 5: not make this something it is not. The government have

2127
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 5: a right to demand a process, otherwise it wouldn't be

2128
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:02,000
Speaker 5: a government. We have a right to make a demand

2129
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:06,320
Speaker 5: not just on Ghana, but on every African nation. And

2130
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 5: if we not make it on that every African nation,

2131
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:11,680
Speaker 5: we shouldn't make it on Ghana. Ghana shouldn't be made

2132
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:15,280
Speaker 5: to board the burden of our return back home. That

2133
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 5: is an African Union issue that we should take up

2134
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,640
Speaker 5: before the African Union. What is the process for the

2135
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 5: repatriation of the formerly enslaved Africans in the Western hemisphere,

2136
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 5: And it shouldn't be the same as those who left

2137
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 5: home and went abroad or abandoned home and went abroad.

2138
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Speaker 5: All white people or Asians or others who are coming

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Speaker 5: into our nation, they should have one process, but they

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Speaker 5: should be clearly a separate process for those of us

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Speaker 5: who are the children of the formerly enslaved.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I thought.

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Speaker 5: It'd be administrative and not political.

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Speaker 1: Gotch you hold? I thought right there, Professor Small. We

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Speaker 1: got to take a short break. We come back, Jean

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Speaker 1: and Pinsha, have got a question for you. Stay on

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Speaker 1: the content too. We want to talk about the shale nations.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with Then all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: shale nations now say the they're gonna take a loan

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Speaker 1: from the IMF, and a couple of them are also gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, take accept or join Donald Trump's health initiative.

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Speaker 1: People say, what's going on with that? I thought that

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Speaker 1: that was the basis what they started. They were against

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Speaker 1: that in totality. If you can explain that to we'd

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Hey, family, you two want to get in

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Speaker 1: on this conversation with Professor James Small, one of our grills.

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Speaker 3: Reach out to us.

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Speaker 1: It's really easy. It's eight hundred four to five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thank you, start on your

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Speaker 1: week with us. Nineteen minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 1: the air. That guest of Professor James Small, you know

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Speaker 1: how to reach him eight hundred four to five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. Before we go back to Professor Small, though,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you coming up later this week,

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Speaker 1: you're going to hear from former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers,

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Speaker 1: also futuristic researcher brother Ceco Bacari will be here political

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Speaker 1: block of Brandon along with Sherman Fred Hampton. So if

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Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep that radio

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Speaker 1: watching tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in

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Speaker 1: the DMV the Washington Metropolitan here we're on fourteen WL.

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Speaker 3: Professor Small.

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Speaker 1: Before we go on, I got to ask you about

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Speaker 1: doctor j doctor Lennar Jefferson, doctor Russ and Jeffrey.

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Speaker 3: How are they doing?

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, they're having a difficult time, but they're doing

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Speaker 5: very well health wise. You know, doctor is in an

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Speaker 5: assisting living facility. Uh, doctor Lennard Jeffries, but we try

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Speaker 5: to make sure he's getting company almost every day of

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Speaker 5: the week from someone in the network. But he's doing fun.

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Speaker 5: I spoke to him twice last week and I'll be

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Speaker 5: seeing him in person this week. He's physiologically he's well.

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Speaker 5: But remember doctor is now what eighty nine years old.

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Speaker 5: We are used to this vibrant young man and he's

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Speaker 5: undergone a couple of surgeries in the last couple of years,

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Speaker 5: especially the heart valves replacement, and but he got through

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02:06:56,760 --> 02:07:00,400
Speaker 5: it through a lot of little crisis around it, and

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02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 5: then he had another minor surgery which he has gotten through.

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02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:08,520
Speaker 5: So he's in a facility while I know the family

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Speaker 5: is trying to find something closer to home, uh senior

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Speaker 5: home where he could live and the family could live

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Speaker 5: there and have the kind of attention he needs as assistance.

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Speaker 5: But he's happy and a few weeks ago we had

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Speaker 5: a birthday party for him and he had a wonderful time.

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02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,800
Speaker 5: A lot of old friends came doctor McIntosh and was

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Speaker 5: led of course by his wife, doctor Ross and Jeffries,

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Speaker 5: who have been doing wonderful and have carried a heavy burden,

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Speaker 5: but she's done it very well, like the queen that

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Speaker 5: she is. And so we keep praying for them and

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Speaker 5: keep trying to help as much as we can. And

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Speaker 5: got to praise our brother doctor Cali Fanni and brother

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Speaker 5: Brian Willis. Those two brothers are like whoo, they've hung

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Speaker 5: in there like you know, twin sons of the Jefferies,

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Speaker 5: and I just want to call their name. I hope

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02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 5: they don't mind. But those brothers and their families have

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Speaker 5: just been wonderful and assistant.

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Speaker 1: Doctor j All right, Uh, well send them o love

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Speaker 1: because we're thinking about them all the time, you know,

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Speaker 1: doctor j and the doctor Rosa, because they they've contributed

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Speaker 1: a lot to this program. They were on all the

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Speaker 1: time and helping us try to decipher all these issues

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Speaker 1: that seem to face us. And that's why we have

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Speaker 1: people like yourself to help us out. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Professor Small, before we talk about this Hell Nations, Jane

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Speaker 1: in Pikesville has a question about Liberia for you. He's

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Speaker 1: online three grand Rising Genior on with Professor James Small.

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Speaker 8: Grand Rising, and thank you of Professor Small. When when

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Speaker 8: I decided to call, I mentioned the word to myself

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02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:53,800
Speaker 8: and the person, the young man who answered the phone

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Speaker 8: about repatriation and of course Lincoln University and Liberia.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And so my question was, Senator, is centered around it,

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Speaker 8: and I hope that sometime you'll be able to uh

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Speaker 8: expound on that and and lay that out for us.

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Speaker 8: But when, of course, Abraham Lincoln's uh policy of reprint

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Speaker 8: when he was running for office, you know, was re

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Speaker 8: patriation and uh, what's his name, Frederick Douglas was the

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Speaker 8: ambassador to Haiti where that was supposed to take place too,

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Speaker 8: And Lincoln University was a training ground where they trained

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Speaker 8: us and sent us to Liberia. But but my, my,

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Speaker 8: my question is centered around you know, immigration also, so

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Speaker 8: what you what, what you what you have done is

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02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 8: set up and I don't think a lot of people

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Speaker 8: will understand the impact of when you, uh, well we

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02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,560
Speaker 8: know what's going on here, but when you immigrate to

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Speaker 8: another country the effect that it has on that country.

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Speaker 8: Because Liberia literally had a revolution and it was centered

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Speaker 8: around rubber and then the Congo. So they built rubber

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02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:10,320
Speaker 8: plantations and put US African Americans in a strategic position

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Speaker 8: over the indigenous people there.

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Speaker 5: So you know, that's not that's not trying to be

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Speaker 5: historically accurate. That that is my cavern that we African

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02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:26,440
Speaker 5: Americans who there was no Liberia before African Americans left

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Speaker 5: here to go back home.

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Speaker 8: What was it called.

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Speaker 5: Let's get that. That's no, it was just it was

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Speaker 5: a part of Africa. It was no country called Liberia.

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Speaker 5: The people who went back bought the land from the

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Speaker 5: indigenous people who were there. Nobody gave us land to

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Speaker 5: move to Liberia. We didn't go to a foreign country.

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Speaker 5: We went back home from where we were sold into

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Speaker 5: genocideal slavery. If we get that part queer and get

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Speaker 5: rid of the myst of someone we went back to

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Speaker 5: somebody else's country. No, we went back home lands that

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Speaker 5: we were betrayed, murdered and sold into genocide of slavery

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Speaker 5: from and we built the nation there. And that nation

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Speaker 5: included indigenous people as well as the people from who

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Speaker 5: had gone back from here, who had been away for

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02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:21,840
Speaker 5: a couple of hundred years. And yes, the American colonization

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Speaker 5: society of white people were the initiators because they were

2261
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:28,760
Speaker 5: trying to get the free blacks out of this country,

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02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 5: because they felt that we were contributing the slave rebellions,

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Speaker 5: and they were trying to figure out how do you

2264
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 5: get free blacks out of America. But within a few years,

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02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 5: within a decade, we had taken over the process from

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Speaker 5: the white folks and they were out. But we could

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Speaker 5: not stand up against imperialism, no more than any other

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Speaker 5: country in Africa did. And so when Firestone, Rubber and

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02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:59,160
Speaker 5: the American government imposed themselves, what was the Africans they're

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02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:02,760
Speaker 5: supposed to do? We fought back on all kinds of fronts.

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02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:05,840
Speaker 5: But we also had an issue with brothers and sisters

2272
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Speaker 5: who already on the ground, who had been engaged and

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02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:10,960
Speaker 5: was still engaged in slave trade when we got there,

2274
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:14,920
Speaker 5: and that caused conflicts. I think people need to study

2275
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:18,920
Speaker 5: give this false most in our Marrow Liberian. It was

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Speaker 5: the Marrows that created Library. There was no nation state

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02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:24,680
Speaker 5: called Liberian and the land they cleared on with the

2278
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:29,440
Speaker 5: land they bought from the indigenous population, which they shouldn't

2279
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 5: have had to buy because we were refugees sold the

2280
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Speaker 5: way into genocide, not just by the people in the

2281
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Speaker 5: Librarian area, but from all over the continent of Africa

2282
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Speaker 5: where the colonialists had seized the coastline of Africa and

2283
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:48,360
Speaker 5: we were caught up in the Arab Muslim slave trade.

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02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:51,440
Speaker 5: That's who was controlling the slave trade and the continent

2285
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:55,480
Speaker 5: before the Western European Christian came. And so we turned

2286
02:12:55,480 --> 02:12:58,640
Speaker 5: to the Western European Christian understandably to try to give

2287
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,600
Speaker 5: with that fifteen hundred years of Arab slavy that was

2288
02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:04,960
Speaker 5: killing us. This is not an easy soft issue to

2289
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:10,200
Speaker 5: deal with, but studying history will erase the mystery, and

2290
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:14,920
Speaker 5: I though Lilia we will have a clearer sense on

2291
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:19,120
Speaker 5: how Liberia came about. And yes, there was all kinds

2292
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:22,640
Speaker 5: of opposition and the coup de tow that came under

2293
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:26,600
Speaker 5: Samuel Doe was a CIA led coup to tower. Samuel

2294
02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 5: Doe was a CIA creep and should have been killed.

2295
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:32,200
Speaker 5: If I was in the place to do it, I

2296
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 5: would have when the time came. They I remember when

2297
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:39,720
Speaker 5: they when the coup came, they sacked and burned the

2298
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:42,880
Speaker 5: Ame Church to the ground. They sacked and burned the

2299
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:46,240
Speaker 5: Prince Al Mason Church to the ground. Nundau himself wasn't

2300
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:49,560
Speaker 5: the assassin. The assassin who this government put up the

2301
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 5: carry out they actually hit on Tubman was himself killed

2302
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:56,960
Speaker 5: on the way to the airport. And another incident like

2303
02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:00,600
Speaker 5: they always do to cover their trails. But that attack

2304
02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:05,560
Speaker 5: that came at the time the President of Liberia had

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02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:11,000
Speaker 5: been elected to the African the OAU, and they did

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02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:16,360
Speaker 5: not want someone with the consciousness of a Liberian who

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02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:20,320
Speaker 5: had all those connections to Black America to become the

2308
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:24,760
Speaker 5: president of the OA, who's and his main alli was

2309
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:28,600
Speaker 5: Sacredtary of Guinea. And so they killed the president and

2310
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:31,040
Speaker 5: it was orchestrated. From this time, I can go back

2311
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:33,280
Speaker 5: further and tell you because I've been in this movement

2312
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:37,160
Speaker 5: all my life. There was a meeting in Detroit six

2313
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 5: months before the Rice riot that led to the overthrow

2314
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:46,280
Speaker 5: of the government took place in Liberia, and that meeting

2315
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:49,600
Speaker 5: was orchestrated by the US State Department with the Liberian

2316
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:53,920
Speaker 5: Student Association of America, many of them, and I had

2317
02:14:54,200 --> 02:14:56,760
Speaker 5: comrades who refused to become a part of it. And

2318
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:59,360
Speaker 5: I watched them get arrested by the American government, the

2319
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:02,520
Speaker 5: Liberian comrades and put in jail for things that you

2320
02:15:02,640 --> 02:15:05,200
Speaker 5: stole fifty dollars with the food stamp and this kind

2321
02:15:05,240 --> 02:15:08,320
Speaker 5: of stuff, because they opposed what they saw was coming

2322
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:11,280
Speaker 5: and what came after the writer deady and that was

2323
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:14,280
Speaker 5: four minuted in a meeting with the State Department in DC,

2324
02:15:14,760 --> 02:15:19,240
Speaker 5: the overthrow of the Tubman government. There's more that you

2325
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:21,879
Speaker 5: need to study. Study the history of what happened in Liberia,

2326
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:25,440
Speaker 5: not the news trailers or the snuff you see online.

2327
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:29,120
Speaker 5: There was no Liberia there. Those people who left slavery,

2328
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:33,640
Speaker 5: left genocide, went home, sold the cows that muled the

2329
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 5: little land. They had, whatever they could to buy passage

2330
02:15:37,120 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 5: on those ships from those crackers who half at the

2331
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:42,520
Speaker 5: time didn't give them enough food to survive the trip,

2332
02:15:42,640 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 5: let alone food to last them for a month. After

2333
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:47,880
Speaker 5: they got on the ground, but we kept going. And

2334
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,560
Speaker 5: one of the men who led the biggest movement to

2335
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:54,640
Speaker 5: get us there was modern Delany Mardin. Dellany was responsible

2336
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:57,120
Speaker 5: for getting most more of us to leave here and

2337
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:00,760
Speaker 5: move home to Liberria than anyone bred. Douglas was opposed

2338
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:04,720
Speaker 5: to it because he felt, like many others did, that

2339
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 5: we should make us stand here in North America. But

2340
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:11,880
Speaker 5: they were those who felt we should go home. Africa's

2341
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:14,600
Speaker 5: our home. It's not a place we're going to take

2342
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 5: something from nobody. You know, we have not brought any

2343
02:16:19,040 --> 02:16:22,839
Speaker 5: charges against any African ethnic group or any African country

2344
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:28,400
Speaker 5: for our not being at home. Any other refugee would

2345
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:31,920
Speaker 5: be allowed the return. We have not been allowed to return.

2346
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:35,920
Speaker 5: And that's why Ghana is to be praised. But its effort,

2347
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:38,480
Speaker 5: it may not be a perfect effort, but it's a

2348
02:16:38,560 --> 02:16:42,440
Speaker 5: greater effort than any other nation have ever made. And

2349
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:47,080
Speaker 5: thanks to and Krumer, and especially thanks to Jerry Rollins,

2350
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:51,720
Speaker 5: and thanks my Alman Henny who has passed away, and

2351
02:16:52,160 --> 02:16:56,040
Speaker 5: a go Go Ashanti dan Our Kuaku Sapong who's one

2352
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 5: of the men leading that opening up the door for

2353
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:03,560
Speaker 5: our return under the Robins government. So no nobody went

2354
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:07,120
Speaker 5: to Liberia and messed with the indigenous people. We are

2355
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:11,000
Speaker 5: the indigenous people who were returning home after having gone

2356
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:15,400
Speaker 5: through a brutal genocidal process we called the Transatlantic slave trade.

2357
02:17:15,400 --> 02:17:18,320
Speaker 5: The Atlantic didn't run any slave trading. This was white

2358
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:24,200
Speaker 5: people genocide and a few greedy African chieftaincy. Most Africans

2359
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:27,000
Speaker 5: fought against slavery on that continent, but there were a

2360
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:30,080
Speaker 5: few involved in it. Just like they're about selling drugs

2361
02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:32,400
Speaker 5: in the streets style people over here. We got a

2362
02:17:32,480 --> 02:17:34,840
Speaker 5: few people doing that, but most of us don't sell

2363
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:38,040
Speaker 5: drugstyle people. And we shouldn't define all of our people

2364
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:40,720
Speaker 5: by the few that committed those act But we must

2365
02:17:40,760 --> 02:17:44,400
Speaker 5: be very clear the people who went from here to Liberia,

2366
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:47,119
Speaker 5: they were Africans going back home.

2367
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:49,520
Speaker 3: Gotcha.

2368
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:56,240
Speaker 5: I hope that's a clearity. It a little bit I

2369
02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:56,640
Speaker 5: could give.

2370
02:17:56,720 --> 02:18:05,280
Speaker 1: But silver Spring has a question for you, Professor Small. Yes, sir, Jipo, yes,

2371
02:18:05,360 --> 02:18:08,000
Speaker 1: sir around with Professor Small.

2372
02:18:08,720 --> 02:18:10,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, good money, I think, said.

2373
02:18:12,480 --> 02:18:16,680
Speaker 7: The Small. I've been listening to you and you're one

2374
02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:22,200
Speaker 7: of the best among us. Thank you that What are

2375
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:28,800
Speaker 7: you thinking about? Carthage Woodson, in the book The Miseducation

2376
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:34,720
Speaker 7: of the negro mm HM. Liberia is about the only

2377
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:40,840
Speaker 7: country he talked. He talks about Liberia m H. And

2378
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:51,320
Speaker 7: in the Librarian Constitution embedded since eighteen forty seven, black

2379
02:18:51,360 --> 02:18:55,600
Speaker 7: people in America has had the opportunity to come to

2380
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,480
Speaker 7: Liberia and become citizens.

2381
02:18:59,720 --> 02:19:04,400
Speaker 5: M Liberia got steps further. They said, the only people

2382
02:19:04,480 --> 02:19:09,120
Speaker 5: that can be citizens in Liberia till today you have

2383
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:09,840
Speaker 5: to be black.

2384
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:14,680
Speaker 7: And yet black people in America will not going to

2385
02:19:14,760 --> 02:19:17,240
Speaker 7: the Liberia And it buzzles me why.

2386
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 5: Even yes, sir, because of the negative publicity that the

2387
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:30,600
Speaker 5: CIA and the State Department have put forth over the

2388
02:19:30,720 --> 02:19:33,320
Speaker 5: years because they don't want us to return to Liberia,

2389
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:38,440
Speaker 5: and they've done it. They like I just outlined, I

2390
02:19:38,680 --> 02:19:45,160
Speaker 5: saw them create the coudetal that killed Topman God fomented

2391
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:48,520
Speaker 5: right here in America by the American government because they

2392
02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:54,080
Speaker 5: did not want the model that Liberia represented, the fusion

2393
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:57,119
Speaker 5: of Cabribean. It isn't just black Americans from the United States,

2394
02:19:57,160 --> 02:20:01,000
Speaker 5: but unto Liberia. Black Africans of the Bribean also went

2395
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:06,320
Speaker 5: to Liberia, many of them right, and they became leadership

2396
02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:11,080
Speaker 5: in that country. America never wanted that and still do

2397
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:14,720
Speaker 5: not want that. And I know the Unia is over

2398
02:20:14,760 --> 02:20:19,039
Speaker 5: there now under their leadership trying to bring a greater fusion.

2399
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:23,880
Speaker 5: But because Liberia, Remember, Liberia, like Ethiopia, was the only

2400
02:20:23,959 --> 02:20:26,560
Speaker 5: African it was the only two African nations that was

2401
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:29,880
Speaker 5: never colonade. Now, some people said because of the rubber

2402
02:20:29,959 --> 02:20:36,960
Speaker 5: company and America divers colonization, but not political colonization. Liberia

2403
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 5: state free in averygods though they had this economic dominance

2404
02:20:41,560 --> 02:20:45,000
Speaker 5: because of America backing them in Germany and England back

2405
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:48,240
Speaker 5: in the rubber companies, but Liberia still held its own

2406
02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:52,640
Speaker 5: and so they never wanted that fusion between those of

2407
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:57,040
Speaker 5: us in the Western Hemisphere returning to Liberia because Liberia

2408
02:20:57,240 --> 02:21:00,640
Speaker 5: was built by the people from the Western Hemisphere, and

2409
02:21:00,879 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 5: they saw that as could become a light in Africa

2410
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:08,080
Speaker 5: in terms of what true Panafticanism is. And the brothers

2411
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:11,400
Speaker 5: and sisters out of Trinidad saw Liberia as the first

2412
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:14,000
Speaker 5: good model of Panaficanism.

2413
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:14,920
Speaker 10: You know.

2414
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:18,320
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, it was looking at Liberia and the

2415
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:22,880
Speaker 5: Caribbean that the concept of Panaficanism was formulated by our

2416
02:21:22,959 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 5: brother You know, I'm getting all every members sometimes Sevaska Williams.

2417
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:35,680
Speaker 5: So I think we have to keep pushing. They've created

2418
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 5: all this myth about the Ameero Liberian and the indigenous Liberian.

2419
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:43,480
Speaker 5: Most people had been marrying into each other. Yes, the

2420
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:48,600
Speaker 5: critical leadership in Liberia was from those founding families. Anywhere

2421
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:52,960
Speaker 5: in Africa, from the Asanta Hini of the Ashanti to

2422
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:58,119
Speaker 5: the gn Mancha of Acra, the traditional leaderships are all

2423
02:21:58,320 --> 02:22:02,320
Speaker 5: based on the founding families. That's been an African tradition

2424
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 5: from time immemorial. So other people be it other kinds

2425
02:22:05,959 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 5: of myth trying to explain something when they want to

2426
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:12,440
Speaker 5: create conflicts and not looking at how can we have

2427
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:18,879
Speaker 5: a smoother transition and a better integration with the different

2428
02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:22,040
Speaker 5: cultures that have to come together. Because definitely, when we've

2429
02:22:22,120 --> 02:22:24,920
Speaker 5: overhere in the Caribbean and the United States, Central South America,

2430
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:29,320
Speaker 5: we develop new cultural kind of norms and then we

2431
02:22:29,440 --> 02:22:32,480
Speaker 5: have to go home where there's other cultural norms that

2432
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:34,920
Speaker 5: have been developed there, and how do you integrate those

2433
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:38,960
Speaker 5: cultures and value systems and worldview while you're trying to

2434
02:22:39,080 --> 02:22:43,800
Speaker 5: build a nation state and with the hands of imperialism,

2435
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:46,959
Speaker 5: we have had a lot of profit trying to stop us,

2436
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:49,480
Speaker 5: but we're going to make it. Liberia is growing and

2437
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:52,440
Speaker 5: more of us are going there right I left.

2438
02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:54,440
Speaker 1: Aught right there, Professor Small stay with us, Kipo. We

2439
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:56,720
Speaker 1: got to take a short breakage so our stations can

2440
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:59,160
Speaker 1: identify themselves down the line. Family are just checking in,

2441
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:02,360
Speaker 1: I guess Professor James Small speaking of brother G. Poe,

2442
02:23:02,400 --> 02:23:05,920
Speaker 1: he's the librarier and from Silver Spring, Maryland, discussing why

2443
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:08,480
Speaker 1: this is concerns why black Americans are We're not going

2444
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:10,080
Speaker 1: back to the library, We're going to God and why

2445
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:11,760
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? You want to jump in on

2446
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:14,200
Speaker 1: this conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred four

2447
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:17,160
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2448
02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thank you, start

2449
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:22,280
Speaker 1: on your week with us. Nineteen minutes away from the

2450
02:23:22,360 --> 02:23:24,560
Speaker 1: top of the air. That guest of Professor James Small,

2451
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:26,640
Speaker 1: you know how to reach him eight hundred four five

2452
02:23:26,760 --> 02:23:29,440
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. Before we go back to

2453
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:31,640
Speaker 1: Professor Small, though, let me just remind you. Coming up

2454
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,520
Speaker 1: later this week, you're going to hear from former FBI

2455
02:23:33,640 --> 02:23:37,800
Speaker 1: agent doctor Tyro own Powers. Also futuristic researcher brother Ceco

2456
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 1: Bakari will be here. Political block of Brandon along with

2457
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:43,360
Speaker 1: Sherman Fred Hampton. So if you are in Baltimore, make

2458
02:23:43,400 --> 02:23:46,120
Speaker 1: sure you keep that radio loutching tight on ten ten WLB,

2459
02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:48,800
Speaker 1: or if you're in the DMV, the Washington Metropolitan ere

2460
02:23:48,840 --> 02:23:50,640
Speaker 1: we're on fourteen fifty WL.

2461
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Professor Small.

2462
02:23:51,879 --> 02:23:53,200
Speaker 1: Before we go on, I got to ask you about

2463
02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:56,240
Speaker 1: doctor j doctor Lennon Jefferson, doctor Roston Jeffrey, how are

2464
02:23:56,280 --> 02:23:56,640
Speaker 1: they doing?

2465
02:23:56,760 --> 02:24:01,920
Speaker 5: But not political colonization Liberia state three in every gods,

2466
02:24:02,520 --> 02:24:06,960
Speaker 5: though they had this economic dominance because of America backing

2467
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:09,560
Speaker 5: them in Germany and England back in the rubber companies,

2468
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:13,480
Speaker 5: but Liberia still held its own, and so they never

2469
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 5: wanted that fusion between those of us in the Western

2470
02:24:16,959 --> 02:24:23,640
Speaker 5: Hemisphere returning to Liberia, but not political colonization. Liberia States

2471
02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 5: three and every gods, though they had this economic dominance

2472
02:24:27,879 --> 02:24:31,320
Speaker 5: because of America backing them in Germany and England back

2473
02:24:31,400 --> 02:24:34,560
Speaker 5: in the rubber companies, but Liberia still held its own,

2474
02:24:35,400 --> 02:24:38,960
Speaker 5: and so they never wanted that fusion between those of

2475
02:24:39,080 --> 02:24:43,160
Speaker 5: us in the Western Hemisphere returning to Liberia because Liberia

2476
02:24:43,320 --> 02:24:46,720
Speaker 5: was built by the people from the Western Hemisphere and

2477
02:24:46,959 --> 02:24:50,560
Speaker 5: they saw that as could become a light in Africa

2478
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:54,199
Speaker 5: in terms of what true Panaficanism is, and the brothers

2479
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:57,520
Speaker 5: and sisters out of Trinidad saw Liberia as the first

2480
02:24:57,680 --> 02:25:01,600
Speaker 5: good model of Panafican This, you know. Matter of fact,

2481
02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:05,440
Speaker 5: it was looking at Liberia and the Caribbean that the

2482
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:10,480
Speaker 5: concept of Panaficanism was formulated by our brother You know,

2483
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:17,520
Speaker 5: I'm getting all heafy rivers sometimes Selbaska Williams, So I

2484
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:22,040
Speaker 5: think we have to keep pushing. They've created all this

2485
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:26,920
Speaker 5: myth about the Ameero Liberian and the indigenous Liberian. Most

2486
02:25:26,959 --> 02:25:30,080
Speaker 5: people had been marrying into each other. Yes, the critical

2487
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:35,400
Speaker 5: leadership in Liberia was from those founding families. Anywhere in Africa,

2488
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:40,040
Speaker 5: from the Asanta Hini of the Ashanti to the Gamata

2489
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:45,520
Speaker 5: of Acra. The traditional leaderships are all based on the

2490
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:49,720
Speaker 5: founding families. That's been an African tradition from time immemorial.

2491
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:53,120
Speaker 5: So other people create other kinds of myths trying to

2492
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:57,000
Speaker 5: explain something when they want to create conflicts and not

2493
02:25:57,360 --> 02:26:01,760
Speaker 5: looking at how can we have a smoother transition and

2494
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:06,440
Speaker 5: a better integration with the different cultures that have to

2495
02:26:06,520 --> 02:26:09,199
Speaker 5: come together. Because definitely, when we've overhere in the Caribbean

2496
02:26:09,240 --> 02:26:12,200
Speaker 5: and the United States, Central South America. We develop new

2497
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:15,840
Speaker 5: cultural kind of norms, and then we have to go

2498
02:26:15,959 --> 02:26:19,560
Speaker 5: home where there's other cultural norms that have been developed there,

2499
02:26:19,640 --> 02:26:23,039
Speaker 5: and how do you integrate those cultures and value systems

2500
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:26,520
Speaker 5: and worldview while you're trying to build a nation state

2501
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:31,040
Speaker 5: and with the hands of imperialism, we have had a

2502
02:26:31,080 --> 02:26:33,600
Speaker 5: lot of profit trying to stop us, but we're going

2503
02:26:33,680 --> 02:26:36,200
Speaker 5: to make it. Liberia is growing and more of us

2504
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:36,840
Speaker 5: are going there.

2505
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:40,480
Speaker 1: Right well, I thought, right there, Professor Small, stay with us, Kipo.

2506
02:26:40,520 --> 02:26:42,359
Speaker 1: We got to take a short breakage so our stations

2507
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:45,280
Speaker 1: can identify themselves down the line. Family are just checking in.

2508
02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:48,640
Speaker 1: I guess there's Professor James Small speaking of Brother G. Poe's,

2509
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:53,039
Speaker 1: the librarian from Silver Spring, Maryland, discussing why he's concerns

2510
02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:55,199
Speaker 1: why black Americans are We're not going back to library,

2511
02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:57,240
Speaker 1: We're going to Ghana. Why what are your thoughts? You

2512
02:26:57,240 --> 02:26:59,200
Speaker 1: want to jump in on this conversation. Reach out to

2513
02:26:59,320 --> 02:27:02,600
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy

2514
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:04,400
Speaker 1: six and we'll take a phone calls next.

2515
02:27:04,879 --> 02:27:09,039
Speaker 5: We got trillions to spend, but we haven't sent millions

2516
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:12,680
Speaker 5: or one hundreds of thousands to help those people who've

2517
02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:16,200
Speaker 5: been under French domination and colonialism all this time. But

2518
02:27:16,360 --> 02:27:20,080
Speaker 5: there's no way they're going to survive in those nations

2519
02:27:20,440 --> 02:27:24,760
Speaker 5: without borrowing money from somebody who's able to loan money

2520
02:27:25,160 --> 02:27:28,240
Speaker 5: for development that must take place in the country. And

2521
02:27:28,879 --> 02:27:33,880
Speaker 5: the Sahal nations, those three nations, Mali, Naeia and became

2522
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:38,039
Speaker 5: a fossil is trying to develop their own investment banks.

2523
02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:40,720
Speaker 5: But you don't just go open a building and have

2524
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:45,400
Speaker 5: an investment bank. That's going to take years, and that's

2525
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:48,320
Speaker 5: going to take a process. And at the same time,

2526
02:27:48,440 --> 02:27:52,600
Speaker 5: most other African nations have not assisted them financially. A

2527
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:56,120
Speaker 5: few have And so how you've got a country to

2528
02:27:56,240 --> 02:28:00,600
Speaker 5: run and country isn't run just on ideology and idea logue.

2529
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:02,400
Speaker 5: You've got to make sure you can feed your people,

2530
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:06,240
Speaker 5: educate your people, protect your people, give jobs for your people.

2531
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:08,879
Speaker 5: And if you have to borrow money from the World Bank,

2532
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:12,080
Speaker 5: the question is what kind of contracts did they negotiate?

2533
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:15,560
Speaker 5: You know, That's that's where the rubber hits the road.

2534
02:28:16,120 --> 02:28:18,200
Speaker 5: When you go to any bank to borrow any kind

2535
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:21,080
Speaker 5: of money, you got to negotiate the terms of those loans.

2536
02:28:21,720 --> 02:28:25,160
Speaker 5: From what I understand, most of the loans that they

2537
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:29,320
Speaker 5: have gotten, which has only been a few million dollars

2538
02:28:29,480 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 5: or some people say a couple of billions, But those

2539
02:28:32,920 --> 02:28:38,880
Speaker 5: billions happened before they feed themselves from France what they

2540
02:28:38,959 --> 02:28:44,720
Speaker 5: call international development grants or agriculture for security. But the

2541
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:47,280
Speaker 5: rest is giving them will not give them any money

2542
02:28:47,360 --> 02:28:49,560
Speaker 5: for security. So you can vent your money on that.

2543
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:53,720
Speaker 5: These money is for agriculture and other things, and it

2544
02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:56,320
Speaker 5: depends on how their loan was negotiated. I don't know

2545
02:28:56,400 --> 02:29:00,840
Speaker 5: the details of any of those loans. They've been minimal,

2546
02:29:01,400 --> 02:29:03,320
Speaker 5: and I know that these three countries are trying to

2547
02:29:03,400 --> 02:29:07,200
Speaker 5: develop their own development bank. They've started that process, but

2548
02:29:07,320 --> 02:29:09,760
Speaker 5: that process is going to take years before there's a

2549
02:29:09,879 --> 02:29:13,200
Speaker 5: development bank that can loan itself be get the loan

2550
02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:15,800
Speaker 5: money back to itself. So I think we've got to

2551
02:29:15,879 --> 02:29:19,760
Speaker 5: realize that we deal with nation states, not individuals, and

2552
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:23,080
Speaker 5: the nation state has to feed its people, cloth its people,

2553
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:26,960
Speaker 5: employ its people, and you've got to deal with the world.

2554
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:29,600
Speaker 5: There's no government in the world that isn't going to

2555
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:32,760
Speaker 5: deal with the United States. I remember the big hoopol

2556
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:35,520
Speaker 5: are about the president, I mean Mayor Adams of New

2557
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:39,240
Speaker 5: York visiting Trump once and everybody wanted to kill him

2558
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:42,480
Speaker 5: and call him a trader. A Mandani has been down

2559
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:45,400
Speaker 5: there to visit with Trump twice in significant minutes and

2560
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:48,200
Speaker 5: I haven't seen one negative word said about it. So

2561
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:51,280
Speaker 5: we are to be careful how we make these analysis.

2562
02:29:51,800 --> 02:29:55,200
Speaker 5: Let's do some study. What kind of loans were given,

2563
02:29:55,800 --> 02:29:58,920
Speaker 5: what were the loans for, what are the terms of

2564
02:29:59,080 --> 02:30:04,240
Speaker 5: those loans? Most of the international development loans come interest free,

2565
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:07,640
Speaker 5: so is that what we're talking about? So let's study

2566
02:30:07,959 --> 02:30:10,160
Speaker 5: how the World Bank, which is one of the most

2567
02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:14,720
Speaker 5: treacherous organizations in international monetary funds, which was developed to

2568
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:19,640
Speaker 5: help keep colonial countries colonized by the Americans after the

2569
02:30:19,720 --> 02:30:23,560
Speaker 5: Second World War. We know that those are corporate raders,

2570
02:30:24,360 --> 02:30:28,680
Speaker 5: but we know people make better deals than others. And

2571
02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:31,320
Speaker 5: I think there's the Home Nations and better position to

2572
02:30:31,400 --> 02:30:36,039
Speaker 5: make decent contract arrangements than most African countries.

2573
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:39,520
Speaker 1: All Right, we come up on a break and we

2574
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,640
Speaker 1: want to turn the politics local politics in New York City.

2575
02:30:42,840 --> 02:30:44,560
Speaker 1: For a while, we talked about Mount Donnie. Has that

2576
02:30:44,680 --> 02:30:48,039
Speaker 1: working out for folks in the Big Apple. Also want

2577
02:30:48,040 --> 02:30:50,720
Speaker 1: to talk a look at Texas. That's what happened last week.

2578
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockey came up short in her bid in their

2579
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:57,240
Speaker 1: primary election. Now they break down the voters and they

2580
02:30:57,320 --> 02:30:59,840
Speaker 1: see there many of the Latino voters who people saying

2581
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,959
Speaker 1: coming back to the Democrats. Yeah, it might be coming

2582
02:31:01,959 --> 02:31:06,080
Speaker 1: back to the Democrats, but then support Jasmine Crockett. Is

2583
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:08,520
Speaker 1: this something we reading too much into? And I'll let

2584
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:10,600
Speaker 1: you respond to that when we get back, because we've

2585
02:31:10,600 --> 02:31:12,560
Speaker 1: got to take this quick break. Family, you two can

2586
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:15,320
Speaker 1: get in a conversation with our guest, Professor James Swalltz,

2587
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:17,640
Speaker 1: one of our grios and one of our top scholars.

2588
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:19,520
Speaker 1: You know how to reach him eight hundred four or

2589
02:31:19,560 --> 02:31:22,600
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your

2590
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:25,920
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling

2591
02:31:25,959 --> 02:31:27,600
Speaker 1: with us on this Monday morning with our guest, the

2592
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:30,160
Speaker 1: Professor James Small, And as I mentioned, Professor Small, one

2593
02:31:30,160 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 1: of our grills, one of our top scholars, and we're

2594
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:36,000
Speaker 1: looking at local politics and wet let's start down in Texas.

2595
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:39,680
Speaker 1: For as Professor Small, the Jasmine Crocketts I actually came short,

2596
02:31:39,720 --> 02:31:44,120
Speaker 1: a little bit short in a race in the Democratic

2597
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:47,120
Speaker 1: primey Tula Rica won that race, but most of the votes,

2598
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:50,080
Speaker 1: they said the Latino votes coming back from the Republicans,

2599
02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:52,360
Speaker 1: but most of them went to Talla Rico. And some

2600
02:31:52,480 --> 02:31:56,480
Speaker 1: people say is because it's the religious aspect, because he's

2601
02:31:57,040 --> 02:31:59,800
Speaker 1: I guess a minister in training and they could identify

2602
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:03,040
Speaker 1: him being a minister, you know, because many of them

2603
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:07,039
Speaker 1: are Catholic. That's why they didn't go with Jasmine Crockett.

2604
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Then he has some folks, even people look like us,

2605
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:11,840
Speaker 1: a professor Small stand that she was too brash, you know,

2606
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:14,800
Speaker 1: she had the aspect of the angry black woman of

2607
02:32:14,959 --> 02:32:19,640
Speaker 1: clouded her candidacy. How did you see what happened in Texas?

2608
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:24,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was a mistake for Jasmine to

2609
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:31,080
Speaker 5: try to seek that seat because Texas. The racial demographics

2610
02:32:31,160 --> 02:32:37,920
Speaker 5: in Texas was not in enough favor nationally. I mean

2611
02:32:37,959 --> 02:32:43,560
Speaker 5: in terms of the statewide demographics of white and Latinos

2612
02:32:43,879 --> 02:32:47,320
Speaker 5: versus the black populations. We can see why she could

2613
02:32:47,360 --> 02:32:50,240
Speaker 5: win in a Houston area it was a possibility of

2614
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:53,800
Speaker 5: a strong black majority, and even in the Dallas folk

2615
02:32:53,879 --> 02:32:56,959
Speaker 5: Worth area, but when you look at most of Texas,

2616
02:32:57,560 --> 02:32:59,720
Speaker 5: she would have to get a significant amount of black

2617
02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:03,879
Speaker 5: te votes in white votes to have not only taken

2618
02:33:03,959 --> 02:33:08,200
Speaker 5: the primary, but to win the statewide election against the Republicans,

2619
02:33:08,560 --> 02:33:12,320
Speaker 5: and I don't think that was possible. She's an extraordinary

2620
02:33:12,400 --> 02:33:16,720
Speaker 5: young politician. Se see, she has the courage that I'm

2621
02:33:16,760 --> 02:33:19,520
Speaker 5: not seeing that. I pray more of our politicians have.

2622
02:33:20,320 --> 02:33:24,000
Speaker 5: I just thought the party or whoever encouraged her to

2623
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:27,640
Speaker 5: make that run may have done more to jeopardize her

2624
02:33:27,879 --> 02:33:32,400
Speaker 5: when they knew the Latin vote. And I don't even

2625
02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:37,280
Speaker 5: like the term Latin American votes. We're talking about the

2626
02:33:37,440 --> 02:33:42,560
Speaker 5: people from Central American South America who are indigenous and

2627
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:48,160
Speaker 5: Hispanic linguistic descent, because many of them are half mixed

2628
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:51,920
Speaker 5: with Africans too, most of them are and so they're

2629
02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:56,120
Speaker 5: they're of Spanish linguistic descent. They don't even speak Spanish,

2630
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:59,160
Speaker 5: the Spanish to speakers of Creole Spanish, and and and

2631
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:03,560
Speaker 5: so we need to have some clarity. But that population,

2632
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:11,840
Speaker 5: because of light skinned in America, prefer to ally themselves

2633
02:34:11,879 --> 02:34:15,840
Speaker 5: based on light skin. Let's tell the truth with white Americans.

2634
02:34:16,240 --> 02:34:20,240
Speaker 5: This isn't about ideology. The only time I've ever had

2635
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:25,960
Speaker 5: a significantly positive relationship between blacks and unquote Hispanics or

2636
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:29,000
Speaker 5: Latinos have been the relationship here on the East Coast

2637
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:32,879
Speaker 5: between Puerto Ricans and African Americans. We have not had

2638
02:34:32,920 --> 02:34:37,400
Speaker 5: a positive relationship with any other Latino community across this

2639
02:34:37,560 --> 02:34:40,880
Speaker 5: country in any significant way. So I don't know why

2640
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:44,080
Speaker 5: people besides the myth of people of color that has

2641
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:48,440
Speaker 5: never panned out for us, and so I don't know

2642
02:34:48,520 --> 02:34:51,279
Speaker 5: why we should have even expected there's a great possibility

2643
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:54,120
Speaker 5: that a significant amount of Latinos would have voted for

2644
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:58,800
Speaker 5: Jasmine because the Latino population in America displayed the same

2645
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:04,440
Speaker 5: kind of skin gradation racism as white Americans do for

2646
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:05,400
Speaker 5: the most part.

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02:35:06,840 --> 02:35:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me jump in here, Professor Small at

2648
02:35:08,760 --> 02:35:11,840
Speaker 1: twenty five off the top. The other issue was in Houston.

2649
02:35:12,200 --> 02:35:12,800
Speaker 3: He's just got it.

2650
02:35:12,879 --> 02:35:15,440
Speaker 1: The more than a million black voters, many of them

2651
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:18,760
Speaker 1: didn't turn out. If their voter apathy is still in

2652
02:35:18,840 --> 02:35:21,840
Speaker 1: our community, is there anything that could be done about that?

2653
02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:24,080
Speaker 1: Or is it something that positians or another they've come

2654
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:27,199
Speaker 1: up with another message they can get folks out to serve.

2655
02:35:27,560 --> 02:35:29,880
Speaker 5: Then we need to serve our community and maybe the

2656
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:32,520
Speaker 5: people will come out and vote for us more. I'm

2657
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:36,240
Speaker 5: not saying that's the case with Jasmine, but first, in

2658
02:35:36,320 --> 02:35:39,080
Speaker 5: a primary, you always get a low turnout for all

2659
02:35:39,240 --> 02:35:43,600
Speaker 5: racial groups. That's the low turn out of any election

2660
02:35:44,200 --> 02:35:47,760
Speaker 5: series is doing primaries, and that's not just a Black thing.

2661
02:35:48,680 --> 02:35:52,560
Speaker 5: Hours maybe higher because our politicians when they get elected,

2662
02:35:52,920 --> 02:35:55,600
Speaker 5: they think they have jobs for life and they don't

2663
02:35:55,640 --> 02:35:58,320
Speaker 5: really service our community and the way they should. The

2664
02:35:58,440 --> 02:36:02,560
Speaker 5: hapathy in our community isn't just there for nothing. The

2665
02:36:02,600 --> 02:36:06,080
Speaker 5: black politicians need to take a big chunk of responsibility

2666
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:10,000
Speaker 5: for them not doing for those community that elects them

2667
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:15,080
Speaker 5: initially when they come back on the election time, which

2668
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:17,520
Speaker 5: is usually the only time we see them to run

2669
02:36:17,560 --> 02:36:21,240
Speaker 5: for office again, and so they have to take responsibility

2670
02:36:21,320 --> 02:36:24,119
Speaker 5: for that as well as the Black community in general

2671
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:29,400
Speaker 5: need to step up how we use the electorial politics

2672
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:35,120
Speaker 5: to seek power. We have not really been educated to

2673
02:36:35,320 --> 02:36:41,520
Speaker 5: understand how to use this apparatus because most Black people

2674
02:36:41,560 --> 02:36:45,400
Speaker 5: who run for political office are part of the Democratic Party,

2675
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:51,800
Speaker 5: and the Democratic Party has always limited how much power

2676
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:55,520
Speaker 5: they would allow the Black community to have even an

2677
02:36:55,560 --> 02:37:00,200
Speaker 5: electing them to office. And I've experienced this first fan

2678
02:37:00,320 --> 02:37:03,320
Speaker 5: here in New York where I was a member. I

2679
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:08,040
Speaker 5: won't call the party the club who chastised me and

2680
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:11,879
Speaker 5: other young men for for registering black people to vote,

2681
02:37:12,400 --> 02:37:14,680
Speaker 5: and one of our leaders, so called leaders of that

2682
02:37:14,879 --> 02:37:18,520
Speaker 5: day when we confronted them in the lot in the

2683
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:23,320
Speaker 5: in the club, said that we can control the votes

2684
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:25,240
Speaker 5: we have, and if you bring in all these other votes,

2685
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:29,600
Speaker 5: we can't control who they will elect. And I help

2686
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:33,960
Speaker 5: you hear what I said, Yeah, the politician's name. But

2687
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:36,040
Speaker 5: trust me, I've been out here in this thing a

2688
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:38,160
Speaker 5: long time and those words came out of the mouth

2689
02:37:38,520 --> 02:37:44,880
Speaker 5: of someone who you made never suspect. And that usually

2690
02:37:44,920 --> 02:37:47,560
Speaker 5: well for New York that has been the standard across

2691
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:51,400
Speaker 5: the country from black politicians except in a very few areas.

2692
02:37:52,400 --> 02:37:56,039
Speaker 5: They don't develop their constituency because they're afraid they can't

2693
02:37:56,120 --> 02:38:00,200
Speaker 5: control that constituency to re elect them. And then when

2694
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:03,360
Speaker 5: they need them, like they need them in Jasmine's case,

2695
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:07,840
Speaker 5: and that constituency is a forthcoming, they blame the constituency.

2696
02:38:09,560 --> 02:38:11,840
Speaker 1: Well, did jump in here, Professor Small because one of

2697
02:38:11,879 --> 02:38:15,680
Speaker 1: the other issues with Jasmin and with Hakim Jefferies, Jasmine

2698
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:19,120
Speaker 1: took money from Aypack and that seems to be a

2699
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:21,880
Speaker 1: litmus test for some black voters. If you're taking money

2700
02:38:21,920 --> 02:38:25,720
Speaker 1: from that Israeli lobbying group, they will not support you there.

2701
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:30,800
Speaker 1: And they've they've gone after House Speaker huh Hakeen Jeffries

2702
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:32,440
Speaker 1: as well, because he took money from Aypack. Is this

2703
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:33,760
Speaker 1: going to be an issue going forward?

2704
02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:37,360
Speaker 5: Do you think every black person in there take money

2705
02:38:37,360 --> 02:38:39,880
Speaker 5: from Maypack? And most Black people who are voters don't

2706
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:43,600
Speaker 5: even know that, So that's not an issue. That's an

2707
02:38:43,640 --> 02:38:46,680
Speaker 5: issue for a few little groups. But a lot of

2708
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:50,400
Speaker 5: people go after Jeffries. They don't know what Jeffrey's record is,

2709
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:54,800
Speaker 5: they don't know how what he's been doing. They go

2710
02:38:54,959 --> 02:38:58,600
Speaker 5: after him because they personally don't like him because he

2711
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:02,000
Speaker 5: where he got elected in Brooklyn. He isn't elected from

2712
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:05,400
Speaker 5: a majority Black community. He can only get elected in

2713
02:39:05,440 --> 02:39:09,119
Speaker 5: Brooklyn by Black and Jewish votes, and so he's got

2714
02:39:09,160 --> 02:39:11,640
Speaker 5: a Jewish constituency that he's serving as well as a

2715
02:39:11,720 --> 02:39:15,360
Speaker 5: Black constituency that he's serving. And so we want to

2716
02:39:15,440 --> 02:39:19,440
Speaker 5: play politics, but we don't want to learn politics. And

2717
02:39:19,560 --> 02:39:22,720
Speaker 5: playing politics isn't just criticizing those who jump in the water.

2718
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:24,920
Speaker 5: We need to jump off bus those of us who

2719
02:39:25,000 --> 02:39:29,400
Speaker 5: call ourselves radicals and and but that other word that's progressive.

2720
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:32,520
Speaker 5: And yet you don't even vote, you don't run for

2721
02:39:32,600 --> 02:39:36,040
Speaker 5: political office, you don't carry out voter registration. When the

2722
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:39,520
Speaker 5: only path of political power in America is voting or

2723
02:39:39,640 --> 02:39:43,320
Speaker 5: having money to pay those who will run for political office.

2724
02:39:43,879 --> 02:39:45,560
Speaker 5: Either we're going to learn to play the game, or

2725
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:49,240
Speaker 5: we're not even in the game. And criticism isn't being

2726
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:58,160
Speaker 5: in the game. Professor everybody from Jeffrey's down. But that

2727
02:39:58,280 --> 02:39:59,560
Speaker 5: can't be all that be doing.

2728
02:40:00,840 --> 02:40:01,160
Speaker 3: Gotcha.

2729
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:04,760
Speaker 1: Uh, Mike is calling us from line three from Washington,

2730
02:40:04,879 --> 02:40:07,520
Speaker 1: d C. Uh Mike Grant Rich and you're on with

2731
02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:08,320
Speaker 1: Professor Small.

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02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:13,480
Speaker 9: Good morning, Professor's Small, grand rise. Uh, mister Nelson, Grant

2733
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:16,520
Speaker 9: and mister Kevin. I called him last week and I

2734
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:22,200
Speaker 9: was telling your audience. Reason why Jasmine Crockett lost is

2735
02:40:22,320 --> 02:40:26,280
Speaker 9: because you know, they jerry mandered her in Texas with

2736
02:40:26,400 --> 02:40:28,200
Speaker 9: the laws and stuff like that. Remember they had the

2737
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:30,200
Speaker 9: whole set out and stuff like that, so she she

2738
02:40:30,320 --> 02:40:32,560
Speaker 9: had nothing to run for, so she had to run

2739
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:35,400
Speaker 9: for the Senate. But the Republicans, you know, mister Nelson

2740
02:40:35,440 --> 02:40:40,400
Speaker 9: knows my abuse the Republicans on that side. Newsmax, Fox News,

2741
02:40:41,480 --> 02:40:44,760
Speaker 9: the New York Posts, those agencies that go to or

2742
02:40:44,840 --> 02:40:47,480
Speaker 9: lean to more Republicans, and uh, they were, they were,

2743
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:50,400
Speaker 9: they're really upset that I told them last week that

2744
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:54,080
Speaker 9: Jasmin Crockett lost because that that would have made it

2745
02:40:54,200 --> 02:40:56,640
Speaker 9: easier for them to be here in this in the

2746
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:59,520
Speaker 9: in the general election, to get that seat. And they're

2747
02:40:59,520 --> 02:41:05,400
Speaker 9: gonna lose. Now the traditional Hispanic Americans that voted for

2748
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:09,920
Speaker 9: this guy, I han't checkered remorse because voters and morse

2749
02:41:09,959 --> 02:41:13,000
Speaker 9: because they found just God some of God's non bonnarry,

2750
02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:17,400
Speaker 9: He's LBGTQ stuff like that. They're really upset. They're really

2751
02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:20,840
Speaker 9: really upset the they she lost. They're really upset. And

2752
02:41:20,959 --> 02:41:22,880
Speaker 9: then that's gonna really hurt them in the seat. And

2753
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:26,199
Speaker 9: I think Gret Abbott had an interview on Fox News.

2754
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:29,760
Speaker 9: He was talking about how Jasvin Crockett was winning. Mister Nelson,

2755
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:34,680
Speaker 9: a professor, she was winning until Kamala Harris for Dorgster

2756
02:41:35,120 --> 02:41:38,280
Speaker 9: and once Kamala Harrison Dorcester. This one from the Republicans,

2757
02:41:38,320 --> 02:41:43,480
Speaker 9: mister Nelson, Kamala has endorsed her. She started losing, she

2758
02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:48,039
Speaker 9: started losing, so you know this, this is absolutely crazy.

2759
02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:51,840
Speaker 9: It's just this guy. He's way out of the Liberals

2760
02:41:51,879 --> 02:41:55,040
Speaker 9: that left California. They're the ones that moved to Texas

2761
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:59,080
Speaker 9: and North Carolina and Florida. They're gonna the Liberals are gonna.

2762
02:41:58,959 --> 02:41:59,560
Speaker 7: Just take over.

2763
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:02,240
Speaker 9: They're gonn know when it was come touches become a purple,

2764
02:42:02,680 --> 02:42:05,360
Speaker 9: touch become a purple. So that's mine now the whole

2765
02:42:05,400 --> 02:42:07,360
Speaker 9: thing TUCKU, miss Nelson, all.

2766
02:42:07,360 --> 02:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Right, thank you, Mike, profession more interested. He said that

2767
02:42:10,240 --> 02:42:13,839
Speaker 1: once Kama House got in there the complexion.

2768
02:42:13,360 --> 02:42:13,720
Speaker 3: Of the vote.

2769
02:42:13,959 --> 02:42:16,280
Speaker 5: I don't believe that, and I'm not gonna even deal

2770
02:42:16,320 --> 02:42:21,720
Speaker 5: with that. I think that racial demographics speaks for itself.

2771
02:42:22,600 --> 02:42:26,560
Speaker 5: Even if but the charges that she filed and she

2772
02:42:26,680 --> 02:42:30,280
Speaker 5: had a right to do them, even if all those

2773
02:42:30,400 --> 02:42:32,560
Speaker 5: votes he thought she lost he had gotten, this still

2774
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:35,480
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been enough to win. She lost because of

2775
02:42:35,640 --> 02:42:39,360
Speaker 5: racism on the part of both the Hispanics and the whites,

2776
02:42:39,800 --> 02:42:43,120
Speaker 5: who wouldn't have voted her for the same racist reasons

2777
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:46,400
Speaker 5: they don't vote for others. The thing Jasmine was somehow

2778
02:42:46,600 --> 02:42:48,600
Speaker 5: going to be loved by white people in love by

2779
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:52,120
Speaker 5: Hispanic people is a myth, and we need to get

2780
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:55,680
Speaker 5: away from myth and deal with historical realities on how

2781
02:42:55,840 --> 02:43:00,920
Speaker 5: other ethnic groups voting patterns are when it concerning us

2782
02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:02,360
Speaker 5: running for political office.

2783
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:06,280
Speaker 1: All right, twenty eight away from the topic, let's go

2784
02:43:06,320 --> 02:43:09,960
Speaker 1: to New York City. Professor Small, do you think I

2785
02:43:10,440 --> 02:43:13,840
Speaker 1: think the voters there, especially in our community, the black

2786
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:17,240
Speaker 1: community having of remorse about supporting Mandani.

2787
02:43:17,320 --> 02:43:21,800
Speaker 5: Yet if they didn't, if they don't, they should. They

2788
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:25,960
Speaker 5: betrayed themselves without any logical reasons for having done it.

2789
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:30,560
Speaker 5: They allowed themselves to be played by the same Zionist

2790
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,680
Speaker 5: news media that they're complaining about who in the Adams

2791
02:43:35,720 --> 02:43:38,440
Speaker 5: administration must try and convicted of anything? Do you know

2792
02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:44,160
Speaker 5: anyone all those charges they were bringing against people and

2793
02:43:44,320 --> 02:43:48,000
Speaker 5: accusations against people who worked in this government and him,

2794
02:43:48,480 --> 02:43:51,240
Speaker 5: do you know anyone that was charged and convicted of anything?

2795
02:43:54,280 --> 02:43:54,320
Speaker 10: No?

2796
02:43:54,520 --> 02:43:59,039
Speaker 5: Nobody else does all that. So the enemy media played

2797
02:43:59,120 --> 02:44:02,360
Speaker 5: Black people and they fell for it. Black people don't

2798
02:44:02,400 --> 02:44:05,879
Speaker 5: know how to play race politics, talking about they're going

2799
02:44:05,959 --> 02:44:08,400
Speaker 5: for this guy because he's a progressive. I don't know

2800
02:44:08,480 --> 02:44:13,280
Speaker 5: any progressive politics that go on in America. I see

2801
02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:18,520
Speaker 5: race politics because America is the most racially segregated country

2802
02:44:18,680 --> 02:44:24,000
Speaker 5: in the world, and it hasn't changed since the nineteen

2803
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:30,160
Speaker 5: thirties in terms of his segregation and his racism, and

2804
02:44:30,320 --> 02:44:34,680
Speaker 5: react like somehow it has changed. The first thing Mandani

2805
02:44:34,760 --> 02:44:37,640
Speaker 5: did before he got in office, he made sure that

2806
02:44:37,959 --> 02:44:41,680
Speaker 5: after he got elected that two hundred and I think

2807
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:48,080
Speaker 5: fifty something black administrators and the government was fired and removed.

2808
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:52,800
Speaker 5: He cleared the government of black people. No other mayor

2809
02:44:52,879 --> 02:44:55,119
Speaker 5: has done that in the history of elections in New York.

2810
02:44:55,160 --> 02:45:00,360
Speaker 5: You keep many of these administrators because they're he said,

2811
02:45:00,400 --> 02:45:02,959
Speaker 5: they're they're like they're not. Some of them are civil

2812
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:06,360
Speaker 5: servants for most of them, Martin. And the other thing

2813
02:45:06,680 --> 02:45:10,119
Speaker 5: that he did, he didn't appoint a single black deputy

2814
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:13,480
Speaker 5: mayor in a city with all these black people. He

2815
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:16,640
Speaker 5: did appoint one black man to be the chance of

2816
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:18,840
Speaker 5: the school system, and he sticks him up on TV

2817
02:45:20,400 --> 02:45:23,280
Speaker 5: as a prop for us to see with all of

2818
02:45:23,320 --> 02:45:28,400
Speaker 5: these other whites and nations that surround him. And they

2819
02:45:28,480 --> 02:45:32,120
Speaker 5: were criticizing Adams for going to visit have a visit

2820
02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:35,520
Speaker 5: with Trump. And he's been down there with Trump twice,

2821
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:38,880
Speaker 5: once right after he got elected, after all of that

2822
02:45:38,959 --> 02:45:42,200
Speaker 5: whoopole of anti Trump, and he went down there just

2823
02:45:42,280 --> 02:45:46,480
Speaker 5: before the attack on Iran, and I'm sure that was

2824
02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:49,280
Speaker 5: part of the visit to get New York ready in

2825
02:45:49,360 --> 02:45:54,000
Speaker 5: case the retaliation. And nobody has criticized them. They've praised

2826
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:57,480
Speaker 5: him for having gone to meet with Trump, but they

2827
02:45:57,560 --> 02:45:59,960
Speaker 5: criticized the black man for once having gone to meet

2828
02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:02,760
Speaker 5: for Trump, a black man who knew Trump and had

2829
02:46:02,800 --> 02:46:07,320
Speaker 5: worked with him for years in some capacity of the

2830
02:46:07,400 --> 02:46:09,560
Speaker 5: Trump was a big real estate person in New York.

2831
02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:14,800
Speaker 5: During the years that Adams was Borough President and then

2832
02:46:14,879 --> 02:46:18,119
Speaker 5: Adams was a member of the New York City Police Department.

2833
02:46:18,600 --> 02:46:22,320
Speaker 5: Crime went down under Adams at a higher rate than

2834
02:46:22,320 --> 02:46:24,560
Speaker 5: any other mayor in the City of New York in

2835
02:46:24,640 --> 02:46:25,800
Speaker 5: the last thirty years.

2836
02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:29,800
Speaker 9: You know.

2837
02:46:30,040 --> 02:46:31,600
Speaker 5: And if you look at his if you look at

2838
02:46:31,640 --> 02:46:35,240
Speaker 5: his records, there's very few mayors that can meet his record.

2839
02:46:35,560 --> 02:46:35,960
Speaker 10: What is it?

2840
02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:38,080
Speaker 5: Black folks was angry about the fact that he was

2841
02:46:38,120 --> 02:46:41,680
Speaker 5: a former policeman. All all these other white people were

2842
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:42,640
Speaker 5: former racists.

2843
02:46:42,720 --> 02:46:47,760
Speaker 3: If you elect them, former racist.

2844
02:46:48,879 --> 02:46:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to put it like that.

2845
02:46:50,360 --> 02:46:51,039
Speaker 7: So people.

2846
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:55,600
Speaker 5: Mondani, I remember a young lady coming to maman. Donnie's

2847
02:46:55,640 --> 02:46:59,440
Speaker 5: name is Kwami. What the heck does that mean? They said,

2848
02:46:59,440 --> 02:47:01,240
Speaker 5: if he's born in Uganda. At the time he was

2849
02:47:01,280 --> 02:47:04,880
Speaker 5: born in Uganda, the Indians were trying to destroy Uganda

2850
02:47:04,959 --> 02:47:07,440
Speaker 5: with the British. The Indians came to Uganda as a

2851
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:11,720
Speaker 5: part of the British Indian Administrative. They had created an

2852
02:47:11,959 --> 02:47:17,920
Speaker 5: Indian administrative governing instrument that was running India for Britain,

2853
02:47:18,360 --> 02:47:21,800
Speaker 5: and they exported that into Uganda and East Africa to

2854
02:47:21,920 --> 02:47:24,760
Speaker 5: run East Africa for Britain. That's how the Indians got there,

2855
02:47:25,480 --> 02:47:28,200
Speaker 5: and Mandani only spent four years. He left Uganda when

2856
02:47:28,240 --> 02:47:30,880
Speaker 5: he was four years old. Family moved to Cape Town

2857
02:47:30,959 --> 02:47:34,720
Speaker 5: in South Africa, one of the most racist, anti black,

2858
02:47:34,920 --> 02:47:39,040
Speaker 5: segregated part of South Africa urban setting. And then at

2859
02:47:39,160 --> 02:47:42,160
Speaker 5: seven he moved here to America. So what kind of

2860
02:47:42,280 --> 02:47:45,760
Speaker 5: impact that Africa have on him? And his family came

2861
02:47:45,800 --> 02:47:50,039
Speaker 5: into Africa as a part of the British colonial administrative structure.

2862
02:47:50,800 --> 02:47:52,880
Speaker 1: Right old I thought right there, Professor Small, I let

2863
02:47:52,920 --> 02:47:54,120
Speaker 1: you finished your thought. On the other side, we're going

2864
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:56,280
Speaker 1: to take our last break at twenty four minutes away

2865
02:47:56,320 --> 02:47:58,400
Speaker 1: from the top. Day I won't come back to because

2866
02:47:58,879 --> 02:48:01,200
Speaker 1: we understand a lot of money, millions of dollars and

2867
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:03,320
Speaker 1: now I'm moving from black hands to other hands in

2868
02:48:03,360 --> 02:48:04,800
Speaker 1: New York City. If you can get in on that,

2869
02:48:04,840 --> 02:48:07,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Family YouTube can join us. Got a

2870
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:09,600
Speaker 1: question for Professor James Small, reach out to us at

2871
02:48:09,640 --> 02:48:13,320
Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

2872
02:48:13,360 --> 02:48:16,040
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family.

2873
02:48:16,080 --> 02:48:17,959
Speaker 1: Thanks for staying with us on this Monday morning. Thank

2874
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:19,880
Speaker 1: you staring your week with us and our guest, Professor

2875
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:23,000
Speaker 1: James Small. You'd like to speak with doctor Smaller? Got

2876
02:48:23,280 --> 02:48:25,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of tweets for questions for him as well.

2877
02:48:25,280 --> 02:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2878
02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Professor small met you Fish your response, But the question

2879
02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:36,040
Speaker 1: to you was before we left the break. Charles Baron,

2880
02:48:36,120 --> 02:48:39,160
Speaker 1: former in New York City lawmaker Charles Baron says there

2881
02:48:39,200 --> 02:48:41,720
Speaker 1: was a lot of millions of dollars now changing hands

2882
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:45,040
Speaker 1: that would if Adams was still in obviously we would

2883
02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:47,560
Speaker 1: go into the black hands, members of the black community.

2884
02:48:47,600 --> 02:48:51,360
Speaker 1: It is now all that's evaporating now that Mandannie's took over.

2885
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:55,160
Speaker 1: Any truth to what Charles Baron is telling us, Yeah.

2886
02:48:55,000 --> 02:48:57,640
Speaker 5: And I've been I was saying that before Mandannie took over,

2887
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:03,600
Speaker 5: the budget new York is second only to the national budget.

2888
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:09,360
Speaker 5: Do you understand me? The New York City budget is

2889
02:49:09,560 --> 02:49:13,680
Speaker 5: bigger than the New York State budget, meaning the moneies

2890
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:19,800
Speaker 5: that go to vendors for fixing streets, repairing highways, taking

2891
02:49:19,879 --> 02:49:23,840
Speaker 5: care of public buildings, for taking care of sewer and

2892
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,800
Speaker 5: water and all of the things that has to happen.

2893
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:31,440
Speaker 5: You're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars, all right,

2894
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:35,680
Speaker 5: and now that you've removed an Adam Adams had made

2895
02:49:35,720 --> 02:49:41,840
Speaker 5: sure there was That was the most first distribution of

2896
02:49:42,600 --> 02:49:46,840
Speaker 5: moneies that run New York City than of any mayor

2897
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:51,920
Speaker 5: in the history of New York? Do you under you

2898
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:55,560
Speaker 5: hear what I'm saying? See this, when you're running a

2899
02:49:55,720 --> 02:49:59,920
Speaker 5: city government is if a money who is going to

2900
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:03,240
Speaker 5: to get the vending contract to provide food to schools,

2901
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:06,320
Speaker 5: who is going to get the vending contract to repair

2902
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:10,280
Speaker 5: the highways, who's going to get the vending contracts to

2903
02:50:10,400 --> 02:50:16,120
Speaker 5: provide buses? Who's going to get them? And like, that's

2904
02:50:16,200 --> 02:50:19,279
Speaker 5: not going to black folks. Hundreds of billions of dollars

2905
02:50:19,360 --> 02:50:26,560
Speaker 5: now being shifted back primarily to whites and Asian vendors.

2906
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:31,480
Speaker 5: Who was the one getting it before Adams got in

2907
02:50:31,959 --> 02:50:35,240
Speaker 5: and cleared the largest black government in the history of

2908
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:39,200
Speaker 5: New York And black people voted them out because of

2909
02:50:39,280 --> 02:50:46,040
Speaker 5: the propaganda machines that's represented by the news instruments of

2910
02:50:46,160 --> 02:50:49,400
Speaker 5: New York were so vicious and black people brought into

2911
02:50:49,720 --> 02:50:54,680
Speaker 5: the propaganda, they bought the propaganda and voted themselves out

2912
02:50:54,720 --> 02:50:55,120
Speaker 5: of power.

2913
02:50:57,920 --> 02:50:59,800
Speaker 1: And that goes to the next question of tweet questions.

2914
02:51:00,200 --> 02:51:02,600
Speaker 1: The reason why they voted for Mondonna was because they

2915
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:05,760
Speaker 1: show Adams a flawed candidated But you say, oh, that

2916
02:51:05,920 --> 02:51:06,959
Speaker 1: was manufacturer right.

2917
02:51:07,080 --> 02:51:08,480
Speaker 5: Way bought him.

2918
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:08,840
Speaker 10: What way?

2919
02:51:08,879 --> 02:51:11,440
Speaker 5: He got flawed because he went to see uh Trump.

2920
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:14,600
Speaker 5: He got flawed because the Trump government didn't charge him.

2921
02:51:14,640 --> 02:51:17,199
Speaker 5: They never asked wired, because they didn't have enough evidence

2922
02:51:17,240 --> 02:51:20,920
Speaker 5: to convict him. He got Mandanna didn't get flawed for

2923
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:25,960
Speaker 5: going down to Washington twice already since January. You know, Mandanna,

2924
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:28,600
Speaker 5: he hadn't got flawed because he he's going to He's

2925
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:31,840
Speaker 5: not going to deliver any of the things he promises.

2926
02:51:31,959 --> 02:51:34,440
Speaker 5: Business of housing cuts, He's not going to get that.

2927
02:51:35,080 --> 02:51:38,600
Speaker 5: That's already he's already lost that battle free busses. He's

2928
02:51:38,680 --> 02:51:41,760
Speaker 5: not going to get that. He's already lost that. The

2929
02:51:41,879 --> 02:51:47,160
Speaker 5: people got played because they wanted to get played. You know,

2930
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:51,680
Speaker 5: they've only they got played with a novelty uh uh

2931
02:51:52,959 --> 02:51:59,120
Speaker 5: Indian Shia Muslim man running for office and everybody at

2932
02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:02,800
Speaker 5: super level about Muslim is not a race, it's a religion.

2933
02:52:05,080 --> 02:52:09,920
Speaker 5: It's certainly not our race. Black people had never had

2934
02:52:10,280 --> 02:52:13,800
Speaker 5: power in New York like they did under Adams and

2935
02:52:13,920 --> 02:52:16,360
Speaker 5: all of the administrative posts that he put black people

2936
02:52:16,440 --> 02:52:19,760
Speaker 5: in and Latino people in and Asian people in. But

2937
02:52:19,920 --> 02:52:22,760
Speaker 5: we always fair with everybody, but they live on us

2938
02:52:22,800 --> 02:52:24,560
Speaker 5: when they get a chance for them to get powered.

2939
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:30,039
Speaker 5: Besides white people and Nan, you don't represent anything that's

2940
02:52:30,120 --> 02:52:35,840
Speaker 5: significant for black people. We lost because we got played,

2941
02:52:36,360 --> 02:52:37,920
Speaker 5: and we played ourselves.

2942
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:45,800
Speaker 1: The Professor Small fourteen away from the top. Tweeters got

2943
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:48,240
Speaker 1: a question. This goes back to something we discussed earlier, though,

2944
02:52:48,480 --> 02:52:51,600
Speaker 1: tweet U says, please ask doctor Small. Was Jesse Jackson's

2945
02:52:51,600 --> 02:52:55,240
Speaker 1: greatest legacy one increasing voter participation in two running as

2946
02:52:55,280 --> 02:52:58,280
Speaker 1: the first black president? Are there anymore? And let me

2947
02:52:58,440 --> 02:53:01,360
Speaker 1: throwing something else to the that's uh, this is going

2948
02:53:01,400 --> 02:53:04,080
Speaker 1: to be the barbershops and and also in the beauty

2949
02:53:04,120 --> 02:53:07,959
Speaker 1: salon conversations this week, it's about the Reverend Jackson's funeral,

2950
02:53:07,959 --> 02:53:12,320
Speaker 1: as you know, because he's in the news. Jesse Jackson Junior,

2951
02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:16,879
Speaker 1: you know slapped. I guess uh uh, you know wrap

2952
02:53:17,240 --> 02:53:19,920
Speaker 1: the knuckles of the past president is saying they don't

2953
02:53:19,959 --> 02:53:23,240
Speaker 1: know my father, they don't know the real Reverend Jesse Jackson,

2954
02:53:23,280 --> 02:53:26,720
Speaker 1: and they turned his funeral into into into a political

2955
02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:30,560
Speaker 1: stumper basically, and he you know, he slammed all those

2956
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:32,520
Speaker 1: and all three of them are Democrats, and the Republicans

2957
02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:34,800
Speaker 1: are picking up on this now and says, see your

2958
02:53:35,080 --> 02:53:38,480
Speaker 1: your your Democratics. That don't even one of Jesse's sons

2959
02:53:38,520 --> 02:53:41,200
Speaker 1: says something that Democrats are bad for black people. They're

2960
02:53:41,280 --> 02:53:43,080
Speaker 1: using that as the spin. I want to get your

2961
02:53:43,120 --> 02:53:43,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on all of that.

2962
02:53:45,400 --> 02:53:48,160
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't hear him. I heard his younger brother

2963
02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:50,800
Speaker 5: who spoke earlier. My wife heard him and told me

2964
02:53:50,840 --> 02:53:54,680
Speaker 5: about it, the older brother, And I'm supposing that some

2965
02:53:54,840 --> 02:53:58,680
Speaker 5: of what he said this to. Most of those people didn't.

2966
02:54:00,480 --> 02:54:04,280
Speaker 5: I don't know of them supporting Jesse. Like I said,

2967
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:06,240
Speaker 5: I worked with Reverend Jackson a few times and a

2968
02:54:06,280 --> 02:54:08,840
Speaker 5: few things in Chicago. When I went out there to

2969
02:54:08,920 --> 02:54:11,480
Speaker 5: work on the campaign twice of Dorothy Tillman, it was

2970
02:54:11,520 --> 02:54:13,680
Speaker 5: all the money, and I went out there for two

2971
02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:19,040
Speaker 5: different reparations conference when represented the ordinance before Chicago that

2972
02:54:19,160 --> 02:54:22,280
Speaker 5: we won, and Reverend Jackson supported those things, and so

2973
02:54:23,160 --> 02:54:27,240
Speaker 5: in that where I knew him, I knew him back

2974
02:54:27,320 --> 02:54:29,800
Speaker 5: in the day. I was with the March in sixty

2975
02:54:29,879 --> 02:54:34,280
Speaker 5: seven for Doctor King as a bodyguard to sister, Ella Collins,

2976
02:54:34,320 --> 02:54:37,960
Speaker 5: Malcolm's sister, and so I got to interface with him,

2977
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:40,680
Speaker 5: but never really worked with him. But I worked with

2978
02:54:41,879 --> 02:54:46,320
Speaker 5: Operation Red Basket here in New York City, and he

2979
02:54:46,560 --> 02:54:49,680
Speaker 5: interfaced with the leader over here very often, and I

2980
02:54:49,840 --> 02:54:53,480
Speaker 5: was very involved in that process. So I saw the man,

2981
02:54:54,400 --> 02:54:58,320
Speaker 5: and you know, he was out in the field like

2982
02:54:58,480 --> 02:55:01,920
Speaker 5: so many others, doing the work. And I know most

2983
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Speaker 5: of the people in government did not like him, because

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Speaker 5: Reverend Jackson challenged all of them. I can't say did

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Speaker 5: not like him, but may not necessarily have and a

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Speaker 5: positive interface working with him on many issues, but many

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Speaker 5: of the people in government had to that's politics. I

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Speaker 5: don't think those three presidents really were close to him.

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Speaker 5: Obama had the closest relationship because he was there in Chicago.

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Speaker 5: The others may have even resented him when he ran

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Speaker 5: for office before, because it was the Democratic Party that

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Speaker 5: showed more resentment for him than it was, you know,

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Speaker 5: the opposition party. But the Republican Party hasn't offered us

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Speaker 5: anything significant. We saw the few blacks that they had

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Speaker 5: in the party, they're all dropping out and in trouble.

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Speaker 5: We didn't see any of them get a cabinet appointment,

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Speaker 5: and we can go on and on and on. The

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Speaker 5: Republican Party of today is not the republic and Party

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Speaker 5: of Abraham Lincoln. People keep pushing that. That's a big line.

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Speaker 5: The Republican Party of today is the Dixiecrats of the

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Speaker 5: sixties who are murdering black people in the stry so

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Speaker 5: like dogs under some quasity label called Jim Crow. So

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Speaker 5: we need to just study history and see who these

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Speaker 5: people are. The Democrats isn't much better, but they don't

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Speaker 5: have any choice except to deal with us because they

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Speaker 5: don't have the numbers. All right, but it's our we need.

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Speaker 5: We've got more numbers in the Democratic Party than any

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Speaker 5: of the whites in the Democratic Party, but we need

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02:56:35,840 --> 02:56:42,200
Speaker 5: to get our cultural historical foundation clear. We've got a

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Speaker 5: bunch of ignorance people running for political office. They know

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Speaker 5: the political process, but they don't have a clue about

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Speaker 5: their own identity. They don't have a clue about their

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02:56:53,320 --> 02:56:58,160
Speaker 5: own community's history. And they're running for political office because

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02:56:58,200 --> 02:57:04,720
Speaker 5: they've mastered the political process and they're willing to champion

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Speaker 5: the different policies and programs of the white left and

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Speaker 5: especially Desionists. And I don't know whether they call them

3017
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:17,960
Speaker 5: left because they're not left for us. They have right wing.

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Speaker 5: What the white man is calling left in the Democratic

3019
02:57:22,879 --> 02:57:26,800
Speaker 5: Party is really right wing to Black people's expectations and desires.

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Speaker 5: So we need to start learning how to organize as

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Speaker 5: an ethnic group like the Asian and a racial group

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Speaker 5: like Asians do, like Latinos do, like Irishman's do, like

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Speaker 5: Jews do. But we're the only one that wants to

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Speaker 5: be with everybody, inclusive of everybody. We can't go forward

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Speaker 5: without helping everybody. And yet nobody tells us when they

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02:57:51,879 --> 02:57:53,879
Speaker 5: got to go forward, they're gonna bring us along.

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Speaker 3: And let me jumping on on that.

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Speaker 1: A particular issue that you mentioned before, there was, you know,

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Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, New York City is a little different.

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Speaker 1: In New York, Black and Puerto Ricans are always working together,

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Speaker 1: you know, I saw that and always.

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Speaker 5: But we've done better than most lat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill, yeah, and other communities we land through. It's

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Speaker 1: a difference in la who was startling different there was

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Speaker 1: you know, there was no seemed like no cooperation, no collaboration.

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Speaker 1: Is it because now the Hispanics or Latinos have reached

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Speaker 1: a number now that they don't need us for it

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Speaker 1: for anything, because they are numbers then, and.

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Speaker 5: They've never they've never been a very positive relationship. But

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Speaker 5: if you remember, in America, Mexicans were considered from the

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Speaker 5: late eighteen hundred and until the nineteen twenty to be white.

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Speaker 5: It was listed as and that is the time when

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Speaker 5: they're coming, when they're pouring into California. So this thing

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Speaker 5: of race has always been a question, and color has

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Speaker 5: always been a question, even though I don't know any

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Speaker 5: Mexican who could look in a mirror and say that

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Speaker 5: they're white, but they do, and they ally themselves with

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Speaker 5: European whites. Politically, that has been the history. There's never

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Speaker 5: been a serious history of US allying white or Mexicans

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Speaker 5: in any appreciable number allying themselves with black people or

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Speaker 5: those from Central South America. Even both Central South America

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Speaker 5: and Mexico can hardly count a person in their population

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Speaker 5: that don't have African blood. But that has not been

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Speaker 5: the history of the culture or the discussion in that community,

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Speaker 5: which is different from the discussion in the Dominican community

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Speaker 5: and the Puerto Rican community, which comes out of the Caribbean,

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Speaker 5: and there's a different cultural relationship and political relationship there

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Speaker 5: of Latin Americans identify as blacks, but about sixty five

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Speaker 5: percent is actually black. But that's twenty percent day as blacks,

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Speaker 5: and so and and and the racism within the Latin

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Speaker 5: American community against black Latin Americans is indicative of the

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Speaker 5: racism we were having in Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas and

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Speaker 5: the parties and fifties.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you that, because we go out

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Speaker 1: of a minute left, So where where do we go

3066
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Speaker 1: from here?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: What's the message for our community?

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Speaker 5: Professor Small, all the nods as black people, study your history,

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Speaker 5: learn your history. Take over the political apparatus in the

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Speaker 5: black community. I'm not interested in taking over the Latin communications.

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Speaker 5: Nobody take over the political apparatus in the Black community.

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Speaker 5: Run people for office that the community select and not

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Speaker 5: those who the whites controlling the Democratic Party selects. And

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03:00:48,360 --> 03:00:51,280
Speaker 5: make that clear. If you don't accept our candidates, you

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Speaker 5: don't win in our community.

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Speaker 3: Do we need a new new cadre of elected officials?

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Speaker 3: Black elected officials?

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Speaker 9: Is that we need?

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Speaker 5: Probably we could probably get rid of seventy five percent

3081
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Speaker 5: of them tomorrow and we would be better off because

3082
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Speaker 5: most of them got into political office, not as representative

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Speaker 5: of our people, not as people who know our history

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Speaker 5: and our condition. They got into political office because they

3085
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:22,280
Speaker 5: learned how to master the electoral apparatus and to work

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Speaker 5: with the whites who control the Democratic Party, and musing

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Speaker 5: that knowledge and technology, they've been able to assume political

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Speaker 5: leadership in our community. Though then very few of them

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Speaker 5: were chosen to run by our community. Wow for them

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Speaker 5: because they were black.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, denity politics that is what they called it. But listen,

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Speaker 1: doctor Small, We're just about out of time.

3093
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Speaker 3: How can we follow you? Are you on social media yet?

3094
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Speaker 5: Can we follow you with social media? Conference? Social media started?

3095
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Speaker 5: I'm on Facebook as Professor Jenny Small. You can follow

3096
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Speaker 5: me on Professor Smallafricanworld dot com or you can follow

3097
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Speaker 5: me on www dot Professor James Small. Just doing Professor

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Speaker 5: James Small out there and you find me. I'm all

3099
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Speaker 5: over the place, all right. I got a big trip

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Speaker 5: going to Ghana this year, and I want people to

3101
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Speaker 5: get on board. Go to Professor Smallafricanworld dot com or

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Speaker 5: just contact me at nine month four nine tix zero

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Speaker 5: two six ninety three and I'll tell you about this

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Speaker 5: five region tour I'm doing to Ghana for fifteen days

3105
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Speaker 5: in July and August. You'll love it. My forty fifth year.

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Speaker 1: I we'll have you back before then so we can

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Speaker 1: talk more about that, Professor Small, but I thank you

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Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with.

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Speaker 3: Us this morning.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Carl.

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Speaker 1: It's a wonderful that's it, family, that's it for the day.

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Speaker 1: Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB in the DMV on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL