1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. Welcome back, everybody. I am Andrew Langer 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: in for Tony Kats Today on Tony Katz Today. Tony, 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: I think we'll be back tomorrow, obviously taking today off 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: because it is the most holy of holy days in 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: the Jewish calendar. It see, i'mkidpoor, so I'm glad I 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: could I could fill in for him. To excuse me today. 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Obviously lots going on. We were talking about Gavin Newsom 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: and I really want to I really want to turn 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: our attention to the shutdown, call it the Schumer shutdown. 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: There's a guy named Sean Ferrish. I'm not very familiar 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: with him, and I did make sure I listened to this. 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: Oh but you know, to listen actually before we get 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: to this, just so you know. So we got in 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: this hour. Zachary Marshall from Campus perform is going to 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: be joining us in a couple of minutes. Jerry Rodgers 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: of Real Clear Policy also joining on in this hour. 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Scotty Hughes pundit Scotty Neil he was joining us in 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: the next hour, but this this came across my transom today. 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: I don't know who Sean Ferish is, but he does 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: a pretty good impersonation of Donald Trump. What I appreciate 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: about this is he may not look like him, but 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's listen I to an impression 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who doesn't these days. But uh, here is 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: Sean Ferish or you know. So, here's a message from 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: the President of the United States on the shutdown. Let's 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: play cut number one. 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Landon ola me fellow americanos cee biondontos alcierre de Schumer. 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: That means welcome to the Schumer shutdown. We call it 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: the Schumer Siesta rights the Schumer Siesta. He put the 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: government on ciesta, crying chuck and el hakimo. Hefe Jeffries. 32 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: We used to call him Dallas store Obama two. We 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: realized he's worth far less than a dollar. But they 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: put the government on siesta to give illegal aliens your healthcare. 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: We're not gonna let it happen. I looked at both 36 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: of them. I said, we're not gonna let it happen. 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: There's no boy now. I said, it's no boy. 38 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: No. 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: They begged me, They said, but signor port for more. 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: Please give illegal aliens the healthcare. So we're not gonna 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: do it. We're never gonna do it. It's not gonna happen. 42 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: And they're also very upset about our big, beautiful sombreros. 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: You look at them. 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: These are the greatest sombreros the world has ever seen. 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: We really have the best sombreros. And everybody wants one 46 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: except cry and Chuck and El Jakimo Hefe Jeffreys. They'll 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: want one, but they're gonna wear one with all of 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: a sudden done, We're going to end the siesta. 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: We're going to. 50 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 2: Reopen the government, and we will not give in to 51 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: the demands of Chuck and l Hefe. 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that. 53 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, God bless you, Diolo Bendiga, and God bless America. 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for your attention to this matter. 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so thank you for your attention to this matter. 56 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 3: I love it. 57 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: I love it. By the way, the sombrero he's talking 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: about was like a traditional straw sombrero, but with a 59 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: maga hat sewn onto there. You know, he's not wrong, 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: and it's one of those things where this is what 61 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: we're fighting about. I mean, it really is crazy that 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: this is the hill that the Democrats want to want 63 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: to die on. Actually I don't like using that kind 64 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: of verbies, but this is where they're planting their flag 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: on making sure that illegals get access to healthcare and 66 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: sort of sitting on the side of the criminals that 67 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: are out there. And you know, it's one of those 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: things where normally and Byron York was on another radio 69 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: show today Byron York from the Washington Examiner who wrote 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: some great stuff back in twenty thirteen about that shutdown 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: and how really it was only seventeen percent of the 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: government that was shut down. But he's talking about how 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: generally some this is because about cheerleading in the media. Reflexively, 74 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: because it's muscle memory, folks instinctively blame Republicans for these things. 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: I think again the worm has turned here. And by 76 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: evidence of this, right, the shutdowns are horrible. You know, 77 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: you would think that obviously there would be great panic 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: where I am and in the DC area. The very 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: democratic government of Maryland was all up in arms about 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: the fact that they're going to be losing seven hundred 81 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a day in revenue from taxpayers. Now they're 82 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: going to get it back at the other end. But 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: you would think that there would be some if there 84 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: was truly panic out there, then the markets would react. Well, 85 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: here's what happened. Let's play cut number two. 86 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: Stocks shaking off the shutdown, charging higher, the S and 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: P five hundred, hitting sixty seven hundred for the first 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: time ever, a new all time closing high for the. 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Dow as well. 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: Actually, the NAZAC could best performed today with closing yes, 91 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 4: short of a record. Healthcare once again the best performing sector. 92 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: That's nice to drugstocks. Utilities also a game right now. 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean not just not just the markets reacting well, 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: but records for the S and P and the Dow 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: yesterday in the wake of this. And so it's it's 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: a it's a situation. It's a circumstance where you know, 97 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: the Dems don't have a lot of wiggle room here 98 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: in terms of this, except, as we've pointed out right 99 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: for them, there's an existential issue at work with the 100 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: with the government employee unions, the American Federation of Government Employees. 101 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: You know, they rake in about thirty two million dollars 102 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: a month indus, I mean, it's an astounding figure. You 103 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: never do math on the air. Never do math on 104 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: the air. But thirty two million times twelve, that's what 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: over four hundred million dollars a year, that half a 106 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: billion dollars a year in dues if I'm doing my 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: math correctly. Again, never do math on the air. And 108 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: so it's it's one of those things where they cannot 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: now listen. They may want this, maybe they're owning it. 110 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: So we have this this clip, and it's a very 111 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: strange clip. Democratic Representative Shredandehar from Michigan, and I'm sure 112 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm mispronouncing it, butchering his name. He did a video 113 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: from Reagan National Airport in DC. And he looks weird. 114 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: By the way. I don't know anything about this guy. 115 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: But his ears look like his ears, his eyebrows look 116 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: like they're made up. It's all very strange. But he 117 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: says the quiet part out loud. Let's go ahead, land 118 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: and play cut number three. 119 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 5: But turning back to Detroit this morning, after the Republicans 120 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 5: failed to show up in the US House, we got 121 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 5: to make sure Americans have the healthcare that they need. 122 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 5: And if that means you got to check this government down, 123 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 5: so be it. 124 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: If we got to shut this government down, so be it. 125 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Darn the man. I mean, obviously I could go stronger, 126 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: stronger with that if we get to shut down the government. 127 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Sounds like a tough guy, right, I mean I hear this, 128 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: I hear this guy, and I think I think tough guy. 129 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: You go see the video. Looks like a like a 130 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: like a tough guy. You know, it's not even he 131 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: looks like somebody's caricature of a tough guy. He just 132 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: looks like a character. Let's let's play play it, play again, 133 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: playut number three again. They're landed. 134 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 5: But he turning back to Detroit this morning after the 135 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 5: Republicans failed to show up in the US House. We 136 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 5: got to make sure Americans have the healthcare that they need. 137 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 5: And if that means you gotta shut this government down, 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 5: so be it. 139 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: You know something, listen, And obviously I was always told 140 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: in radio never punched down. I could easily punch down 141 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: on this guy. I'm not going to. But let's let's 142 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: sort of take the substance of it for a moment, 143 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: which is this idea that America need their health care 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: if you look at that empirically, I mean, first of all, 145 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: they're talking about the reason why, let's assume for a 146 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: moment that this shutdown is preventing Americans from having their 147 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: health care. Well, the reason why they're shutting down is 148 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: because they want to extend that healthcare to folks who 149 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: are not Americans, who are either here legally or illegally. Right, 150 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: they don't care. But it would be one thing if 151 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: the Democrats hadn't created this mess. But the reason why 152 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: Americans cannot afford their health care, whether it's the insurance 153 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: itself or the care itself, is because of things the 154 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: Democrats themselves have done. Right, we knew that the Affordable 155 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: Care Act was going to make premium prices explode. Let 156 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: me explain this real quick. I got a couple of 157 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: minutes here. Again, you never do math on the air, 158 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: but you all know, you're all good conservatives or Conservatorians 159 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: or libertarians, so you all know the way supply in microeconomics, 160 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: how supply and demand impact prices. Right, and so if 161 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: you have a declining supply curve and increasing demand, you 162 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: know a widget. I used to talk about this with 163 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 1: my kids all the time. I wanted them to be 164 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: literate in this regard. If your widget has a declining 165 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: supply but demand goes up, the price is going to 166 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: go up. That's just the way it works. If the 167 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: supply is high and demand is down, the price is 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: going to go down as well to get more people 169 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: to buy it. So the wiget in this case is 170 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: not health insurance. That's the whole other thing. The wiget 171 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: is the amount of time that you spend with your 172 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: health care provider. Right, that's healthcare. Now, obviously we could 173 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: talk about pharmaceuticals, we could talk about operations, we can 174 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: talk about those things. It's very core. The widget is 175 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: the amount of time you spend with your healthcare provider, doctor, nurse, 176 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: physician's assistant. And so if you increase the demand for 177 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: that widget that time, the price is going to go up. 178 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: If you increase the demand while the supply is declining, 179 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: the price is going to skyrocket. And if you try 180 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: to artificially force down the price, which is what they do, 181 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: that's what price controls are all about, you're going to 182 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: accelerate the decline and the supply curve. I know it's 183 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: a lot to digest. The bottom line here is if 184 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: you can't make money off of it, if you can't 185 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: recoup your investment, you're going to get out of the marketplace, 186 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: you're going to have less of the good to go around. 187 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: That's what the Democrats have done when they increase demand 188 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: for health care through the Affordable Care Act, and they 189 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: didn't do anything to solve the problem of the physician 190 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: shorten that we have in America, and at the same 191 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: time they were putting enormous pressure to keep prices low. Well, 192 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: what happens more and more doctors get out of the 193 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: practice of medicine. We've seen it, we predicted it, we 194 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. And rather than go 195 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: and do what you can to create more doctors, nurses 196 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: and physicians assistants, all they're doing is mucking around on 197 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: the edges. Here listen. When we come back, we are 198 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: going to be joined by doctor Zachary Marshall from Campus Reform. 199 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats Today, the greatest 200 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: rock song ever. Listen before we bring on Zachary Marshall here. 201 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: I know I'm not supposed to comment on the music. 202 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to comment on the music. I had the 203 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: distinct pleasure of going and seeing the who this is 204 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: the Who's won't get fooled again? In which the line 205 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss, sums 206 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: up the essence of what rock and roll is all about. 207 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: I saw The Who at Madison Square Garden about a 208 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: month ago, just over a month ago. Took my family 209 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: and it was an amazing concert. I mean, you know, 210 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Roger Daltrey at what age eighty one? It's astounding to 211 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: me how well his voice has held up. You go 212 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: and look on YouTube right now you will find clips 213 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: from that concert, the Who Farewell tour. The song is 214 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: over tour Madison Square Garden. In fact, I was wearing 215 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: my Who tour hoodie today. Anyway, I'm not sure if 216 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: he's a WHO fan or not. His name is Zachary Marshall, 217 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: doctor Zachary Marshall, PhD. He's the editor in chief of 218 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: Campus perform And I know we got sad stuff to 219 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: talk about, Zachary, But are you a WHO fan? 220 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 6: Yeah? 221 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: I am a Who fan? So listen is silver lining 222 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: to my joining you today? There we go? Well listen, 223 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we played a clip earlier from Liz Trust, 224 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: the former Prime Minister of the UK. We have this 225 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: attack that's been happening, that happened today in Manchester in 226 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: the UK, but this issue of anti Semitism is really 227 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: tough here at home. I'm having a hard time square 228 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: in it. But it is amazing to me how we 229 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: don't learn from history. This is happening, by the way, 230 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: one of the most Jewish universities in America, the University 231 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: of Maryland College Park. Talk about what's happening there today. Yeah, so. 232 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 6: We had the suits for Justin and Pelifin chapter at 233 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 6: University of Maryland try to push a anti Israel boycott 234 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 6: resolution through the student government, first on Russia Shana and 235 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 6: then when that atten failed, they then forced through a 236 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 6: vote at the student government last night, which was the 237 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 6: start of Jan Kapor, which is today. So obviously Jewish 238 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 6: students were not able to participate there, whether it would 239 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 6: be in the student government to vote on it or 240 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 6: be present to voice their opinions. We just learned today 241 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 6: that the resolution pasked. I think it was twenty nine 242 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 6: to zero last night. And while this is a student 243 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 6: government at acknowledge and it has no binding effect on 244 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 6: the university policy, it's something that we really do need 245 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 6: to call out because, especially what has happened in Manchester, 246 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 6: you know that that attack breaks national and international news. 247 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 6: But there have been been years of Jews being pushed, 248 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 6: name called, harassed in London, in different cities in the 249 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 6: Upay that do not break into the news cycle, and 250 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 6: the same thing happens here and stuff like this that 251 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 6: normalizes the humanity Jews, and it's made people comfortable to 252 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 6: be anti Semitic. Like the protests we've been covering. A 253 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 6: campus reformed after October seventh didn't just happen. You had 254 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 6: years of conditioning students to be okay harassing Jews and 255 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 6: to try and assault them. And it's this is a 256 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 6: cultural problem right now, and the university it has to 257 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 6: be responsible for what happens on campus, and it is 258 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 6: complicit in allowing a vote to happen, you know, the 259 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 6: way it did to Jewish holiday. 260 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: This did not so much surprised. 261 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 6: We all know when young Kapor is going to be 262 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 6: We all know when things in the fall semester. 263 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Are going to happen, right, I mean, I imagine imagine 264 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, if the shoe were on the other 265 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: foot and you had students calling for some kind of 266 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: anti Palestine or anti Muslim, an anti Muslim piece of 267 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: student legislation, we get that it's student legislation but some 268 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: kind of a resolution, but they did it on Ramadan. 269 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean it is that this is this. You know, 270 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: we have to we have to be consistent here in 271 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: all of this, and we have to recognize that the othering, 272 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: the continue new other ring of Jews is what leads 273 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: to these issues of violence. 274 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 6: There. 275 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. We're talking aout Zachary Marshall. 276 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: He's the editor in chief of Campus Reform, doctor Zachary Marshall, PhD. Yeah, 277 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: how's the Trump administration doing with this? I mean they 278 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: have really made it made it a point to push 279 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: back on these acts of anti Semitism in a way 280 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: that the Democrats have been unable to do. So how 281 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: are they doing? 282 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 6: I think the speed and effectiveness which the Trump mastoration 283 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 6: has made University has changed their behavior is incredible. I 284 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 6: never expected to see so much change so fast. And 285 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 6: I think the frozen funnel funding we've seen, these settlements 286 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 6: we're seeing out of Columbia and Brown for example, this 287 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 6: is very effective because we need to abandon the liberal 288 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 6: fantasy that we can change people's minds. Worked beyond that point, 289 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: there was you know, we had a year and we 290 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 6: have over a year of this under the Biden administration, 291 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 6: where universities have more than an ample opportunity to realize 292 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 6: what they were doing wrong, but they chose not to 293 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 6: until their money was at stake. So it's time of discussing. 294 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 6: The money is what's motivating universities to start improving, but 295 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 6: while we know that we can at least compel their behavior, 296 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 6: So I think he is. I think where the administration 297 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 6: is succeeding is getting people in higher education to think 298 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 6: twice about their actions and what they can doone. I 299 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 6: think a lot of liberals went through their jobs in 300 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 6: high reed without thinking about anything and had no idea 301 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 6: what they were supporting or being complicit in. And I 302 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 6: think right now what he's what the administration is doing 303 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 6: well is changing the culture and higher ed to make 304 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 6: people slightly more, slightly more aware of what the knock 305 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 6: on effects are of letting chapters like s JAP run 306 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 6: wild on campus. 307 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: Right, it's the issue of Obviously, people are entitled to 308 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: their opinion and their titled to their advocacy, but universities 309 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: have to be you know, they have to be places 310 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: where people can have these conversations. And we know, right 311 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: we know, doctor Marshall, that this is not just coincidental 312 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: that these things are happening during the Jewish High Holy 313 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: Days by H by s j P. The Students for 314 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: Justice in Palestine so called, they are choosing these dates purposefully, 315 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: aren't they? 316 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 6: And it's all intentional. And we actually went Council Reform 317 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 6: went to University of Maryland yesterday and we asked students 318 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: for a Christian and Muslim, how would you feel this 319 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 6: happened on greats a Ramadan? And you know it took them, 320 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 6: you know it took them hearing that question understand what 321 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 6: the problem is. And you might have that video on 322 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 6: our YouTube right now. And I think this, you know, 323 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 6: this is such a predictable problem, which makes. 324 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: It kind of sad in a way. 325 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 6: One thing we reported on after October seventh was that, 326 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 6: you know, for all the problems THEI training, for all 327 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 6: the problems that inclusivity training initiatives create on college campuses, 328 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 6: Judaism and Jewish people, although we are a very small 329 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 6: minority or never included any of those pro right, So 330 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 6: it doesn't matter how Jewish university right, you still have 331 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 6: most people there who have no contacts for one hundred 332 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 6: Jewish experience. 333 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Zach we have to leave it there, 334 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Zachary Marshall from Campus Reform. Campus reform dot org is 335 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: the website. You know, we'll talk a little bit more 336 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: about this later on because there is a real fundamental 337 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: question in the liberal movement. Jerry Rodgers. When we come back, 338 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: welcome back everybody. For those who are about to rock, 339 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: we salute you. I am Andrew Langer in for Tony 340 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Katz today. Joining me right now is my best buddy. 341 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: He is my best buddy. His name is Jerry Rodgers. 342 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: He's the editor of Real Clear Policy and Real Clear Health. 343 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: He's also the host of the Jerry Rogers Show to 344 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: be Heard in Baltimore. My co host and Andrew and 345 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: Jerry Save the world. Gerald. We were playing at the beginning. 346 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: I know you're a Zeppelin fan. You're a Zeppelin fanatic, 347 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: but we were playing the Who's Won't Get Fooled Again? 348 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: That's up in your pantheon of greatest classic rock songs 349 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: of all time? 350 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: Is it not? 351 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: Well? Of course you have to love the Who. Yes, 352 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: you have to love the Beatles, you have to love 353 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 3: the Rolling Stones. But but the top of the food 354 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 3: chain is Zeppelin, and then on top of Zeppelin, of 355 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: course there is Elvis Chrestley. Without Elvis, there is no Zeppelin, 356 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 3: there is no Beatles, there. 357 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 5: Is no who. 358 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: You know, It's funny, I wrote. I read an article 359 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: the other day. You know, Donovan is now taking credit 360 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: for the creation of Led Zeppelin. And I and I 361 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: get it, you know, because Jimmy Page and John Paul 362 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: Jones were session musicians who played on some some some 363 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: Donovant albums. But the idea that Donovan is taking credit 364 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: for Led Zeppelin is insane to me. 365 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think the Zeppelin reputation and uh and their 366 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 3: universe can handle it. 367 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with that, And then I know you 368 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: and I both agree Paul McCartney needs to be writing 369 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: better songs. As one of our good friends. 370 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 3: I say one thing on his note, just one last thing. 371 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: You know. Robert Plant was asked years ago in the eighties, 372 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: you know, of that time period, who most reminded him 373 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: of Zeppelin? And he said, who's could do? 374 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: Interested to do? 375 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: A thrash band from the Midwest, a three piece band, 376 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: And he said it was because there was a sense 377 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 3: of presence, a sense of in the moment out them 378 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: and not very similar, you know, this similar musical style. 379 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: But Robert plant was a big well, he's a big 380 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 3: fan of music. But who's to do back in the eighties. 381 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: He loves who's could do? Anyway? 382 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, so asen we're talking with Jerry rogerses he had 383 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: a real clear policy. You and I had a conversation 384 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: yesterday about what what Sean u Farash is calling the 385 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: Schuman siesta and and how this is boomerang against the Democrats. 386 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: The markets responded, the hell with the s and P 387 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: five hundred had record levels yesterday. This does not augur 388 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: well for the Democrats, does it, Jerry Rodgers? 389 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: No, And again for clarity for your audience, for Tony's audience, 390 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 3: you know, for clarity, certa Schumer, the set of Democrats 391 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: they filibustered a clean short term cr triggering that triggered 392 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: this shutdown, right And and why this is the interesting part, 393 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: and this is maybe why it's not boomerang on the 394 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: GOP like it has done in previous years, because it's 395 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: obvious that this is pressure from the left and it's 396 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: for the health insurance industry. They're they're not doing this 397 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: for the poor, these Democrats. They're doing it for the 398 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: health insurance industry. Their goal is to repeal the reforms 399 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 3: from the you know, the big beautiful tax law that 400 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: you know, medicaid work requirements and defraud protections, and of course, yeah, yeah, 401 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 3: no matter what you hear from CNN, they they they 402 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: want to give healthcare Medicaid dollars legal aliens. 403 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: Period. This is the truth. 404 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: It's on page fifty six of their bill. 405 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: Literally literally. 406 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: We can look at the wording and again remember this too. 407 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: You know, money is fungible, so they're playing word games. Well, 408 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 3: you know, what's against federal law for illegals to get medicaid. 409 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, but numerous states Califority, New Jersey, New York, etc. 410 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: Offer medicaid monies two illegals and then they take the 411 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 3: federal money and just replace that in terms of their 412 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: state programs. The left is lying, The mainstream legacy media 413 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: is lying. And the good news is because of Tony 414 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: Cats show, because of the work that you do and 415 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: I do and others do, the truth is not far 416 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 3: behind the lie. 417 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: So Jerry and we're talking with Jerry Rodgers, editor of 418 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: Real Clear Policy and Real Clear Healthy. Can find the 419 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: buff online, but he's on Twitter at Jerry Rodgers Show. 420 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about some yeah, Jerry Rodgers Show, 421 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the other stuff that's going 422 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: on this week. There was a very interesting moment a 423 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: couple of days ago. We'll come back to the hospital 424 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: thing in a second, but you know, you and I 425 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: have both spent a lot of time talking about most 426 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: Favored Nation and price controls with prescription drugs and what 427 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: drives prescription drug prices. But the President reached us or 428 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: the President the administration reached a settlement with Pfizer this 429 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: week about this issue. To talk a little bit about that. 430 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: Well, again, brilliant political move Trump are x. You know, 431 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 3: while the Democrats are crying about illegal alien healthcare for illegals, 432 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: Trump is actually working with the branded, innovative American companies 433 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: to bring drug prices down. Let me just say this 434 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 3: real quick. Please out, well, Jerry, what about the tariffs? 435 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: And the tariffs are going to raise drug prices and 436 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: this is well I'm so waiting for the high prices. 437 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 3: But here's the thing that the arm of the trade 438 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: associations for the drug companies actually said last week, and 439 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: that is no tariffs on on medicines will not raise 440 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 3: prices because they have a caveat if you build manufacturing 441 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: here in the US, there's no terriffs. Guess what every 442 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: single innovative company is doing. They have all either broken 443 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: ground or they have blueprint to increase their footprint, their 444 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: manufacturing footprint in America. So not only is he winning 445 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: on the Trump RX, but he's winning on the tariff 446 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: issue because companies, dozens of companies are rebuilding or expanding 447 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 3: their facilities and their footprint in the US. This is 448 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: a resetting, potentially andrew of the of the of the 449 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: economic structure. Remember what Donald Trump is doing. He's trying 450 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: to reset the the international economy where America was getting 451 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 3: the back of the hand for the past four decades. 452 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting I talked about this at the 453 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: beginning of the show because you have this. You have 454 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: a couple of different quotes out there from folks who 455 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: got this, Shreth and Deharr talking about this. You've got 456 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: Gene Shaheen, you know, talking about the issue with the illegals, 457 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: this this idea. A lot of Democrats don't recognize them, 458 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: not figured out that we are now in this era 459 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: of mess around, f around and find out you know 460 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: Russ vote right, Russ vote is serious when he talks about, 461 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, this issue. And so you have the American 462 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: Federation of Government Employees, the nation's largest government employee union. 463 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: They have eight hundred and twenty thousand members paying on 464 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: average forty dollars a month. That's three hundred and twenty million. 465 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's thirty two million dollars a month going 466 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: to the coffers of this union. And they think that 467 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: that that, you know, we're just going to go that 468 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: things are it's it's it's business as usual. It is 469 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: not business as usual. 470 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: Is it. Jerry No, And I laughed at the Democrats 471 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: and David Newsom and others who are saying, look what 472 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: the Trump OMD is doing. They're going after these blue 473 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: state the cutoff of funding. Yes, because it was the 474 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 3: blue state senators that voted to have the shutdown. Right, 475 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: Remember that they think we're done, they think we're stupid. 476 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: It takes sixty votes to break the filibuster, and it is. 477 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: It is absolutely the Democrats who caused this shutdown. But 478 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: here here's an interesting twist. I'm sure you haven't thought 479 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 3: about this yet. So many people have not. I think 480 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: this is a backdoor away from the Democrats to force 481 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: the Republicans to get rid of the filibuster. 482 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's an interesting idea, right, I mean, 483 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: this is this is everybody is trying to push the 484 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: guardrails to sort of figure out where they are, and 485 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: so much of this is about is about to get 486 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: setting things up for down the road, which is something 487 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: you and I have warned about as well. 488 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: The Democrats are going at that. The Democrats are good 489 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 3: at that, right. Washington Monthly has has a peace out 490 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: right now where where they're saying that Republicans can end 491 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: the filibuster immediately. I'm sorry, and the shutdown at me 492 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 3: by ending the by ending the by ending the filibuster, 493 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: r I think right, because Congress can go back and forth, 494 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth. They will have the 495 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: majority someday in the Senate. And what they want is 496 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: to get rid of the philibuster so they can do 497 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: what Andrew. They can make DC estates and make pu 498 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: Rico estate. Uh. And then and. 499 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: Therefore and pa and packed and expand the pack to 500 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. 501 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I wouldn't be surprised that the Sorrows backed Uh. 502 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: You know, intellectuals behind the you know, the ones who's 503 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 3: calling the publish rings, are thinking, you know what, I 504 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: don't mind losing here if it means or forcing the 505 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: Republicans under the filibuster, because then we can come back 506 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: later and get a permanent majority. 507 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 6: Right. 508 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: That's the the issue is there. They are always thinking 509 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: about where things are. Jerry Rodgers the man who warned 510 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: me as we were having these discussions about gay marriage 511 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: and in the early two thousands, you know, two thousand 512 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: and one or or that time frame, and Jerry's like Andrew, 513 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: it's not about gay marriage. It is about it is 514 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: about gender policy. It's about you know, men pretending to 515 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: be women going into bathrooms. Jerry, you're the man who 516 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: predicted this twenty five years ago. How do folks find 517 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: out more about the good work you're doing, my friend. 518 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: Well, going to Real Clear at Policy Roofler Health, go 519 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 3: to at Jerry Rodgers show. 520 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: When do you think this ends? How long do you 521 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: think you go? 522 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: I think it goes another week or two weeks at least. 523 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 3: And I think the compromise will be the GOP will 524 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 3: relent on the subsidies and Obamacare, and the Dems will 525 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: relent on money to illegals. 526 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: So you think the Dems are going to either cancel 527 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: their Sonoma trip next weekend or they're just not going 528 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: to care about the optics. 529 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I talked to some folks on 530 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 3: the set of Side Today actually for a piece that 531 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: we're doing a Real Clear and they told me at 532 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: least another week. 533 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean yeah, so yeah, it goes in 534 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: so they can leave next Friday for the wine country 535 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: and have their thing. Jerry Rodgers, thank you so very 536 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: much for joining us today, my friend. All right, I'll 537 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: talk to you later on Jerry Rodger at Jerry Rogers 538 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Show on Twitter. H He is the editor of Real 539 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Clear Policy, Real Clear Healthy. He does the Business of 540 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: America podcast, he does a bunch of things, and yes 541 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: he is my best. But I'm Andrew langer In for 542 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: Tony Kats. This is Tony Kats Today. Well we are back, everybody. 543 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: I am Andrew langer In for Tony Kats. You can 544 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: check me out at Andrew Underscore Langer on Twitter. I'm 545 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: we'll sell selling my of myself here. So I obviously 546 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: I do a lot of radios. Think I do the 547 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: podcast with Jerry Andrew and Jerry Save the World. I 548 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: do a weekly public policy deep dive called the Lunch 549 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: Hour for an outfit called the Federal News Wire, and 550 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: it's good stuff. This week is Patrick Hedger. We've spent 551 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: a bit of time talking about free speech issues and 552 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: why they're important. Obviously, as I said last week, I 553 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: sat down with Liz Trust, the Prime Minister of former 554 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Great Britain, to talk about these things. So 555 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: it's it's worth going and and checking those things out. 556 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: And then of course I do I do my regulatory 557 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: work for SEAPAC, the folks who put on the big 558 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: SEAPAC conference in DC every year. I run their regulatory 559 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: affairs work and also do healthcare policy as the chairman 560 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: or the executive director of the coalitioningast Socialized Medicine. You 561 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: can check us out at seapac dot org. It's a 562 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: it's a great way to do this. So you know, 563 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: Jerry raises an important point. Jerry Rogers the editor of 564 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: Real Clar Policy and Real Claar Health. So much of 565 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: this is about gamesmanship, and I am always very cautious 566 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: about issues having to do with having to do with 567 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: creating precedence and being consistent and looking at the unintended 568 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: consequences of our actions. And so in these kinds of circumstances, 569 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: being dared to do things, you know, like break the filibuster, 570 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, these are the kinds of things that can boomerang. 571 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: It's something that I've been warning about when we're talking about, ah, 572 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: make America healthy again. And when you give power to government, 573 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: and this administration is all about reducing the size and 574 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: scope of the federal government, right, That's that's what the 575 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: regulatory issues are all about. But when you when you 576 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: decide to reserve some of that nanny statism and make 577 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: use of that power as a portion of the spectrum 578 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: that is supposed to be against that, you open up 579 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity for it to be used against you down 580 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: the road. And lots of discussion about this, about this 581 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: issue of well, we have the power now, let's use 582 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: the power now. And I understand this. That nevertheless leaves 583 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: me to want to caution people. I will tell you 584 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: about stuff that is empirical that could that could benefit 585 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: down the road. Is something that Rick Scott says regarding 586 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: this shutdown, let's go ahead and play cut number seven. 587 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 7: There a land in September thirty. I'm a business guy. 588 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 7: I always pass budgets. And by the way, if you 589 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 7: didn't do your job in business, you didn't get paid. 590 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 7: You don't show up and do your job, you don't 591 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 7: get paid. Why are we getting paid. We shouldn't get 592 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 7: paid if we don't do our job. We figured we 593 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 7: need to figure out how to work together to get 594 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 7: our budgets done. 595 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 8: It's as simple as that. So you're going to offer 596 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 8: legislation to not get paid during lockdown? During shutdowns? Absolutely, 597 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 8: I already have a bill. We've got a bill that 598 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 8: we don't get paid during the shutdown. Ron Johnson's got 599 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 8: a bill that will never have shutdowns that should pass also. 600 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 7: But on top of that, what are the Democrats are doing? 601 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 7: This is a clean resolution. All we're doing is is 602 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 7: keeping the funding. Actually the funding is too high. It's 603 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 7: still a Biden funding. But I don't want to shut 604 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 7: down government, so I supported. But the Democrats that they 605 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 7: want to shutdown for whatever reason, how is this good 606 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 7: for the country. Nobody wins with a shutdown, I hear you, 607 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 7: And what about people at home? 608 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: Reallytically, the bottom line here is, listen, I disagree categorically 609 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: that we should that we should you know, have some 610 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: kind of lot says we don't ship down the government. No, No, 611 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, if they 612 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: can't get their acts together, then then yeah, absolutely the government. 613 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: They ought to be we ought to be able to 614 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: shut down the government. But on the other hand, I 615 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: think is a hedge against this if you want to 616 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: make it so that they have to think twice before 617 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: they go down this road. I don't think. I don't think, 618 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: and I think it's not just members of Congress. I 619 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: don't think congressional staff should get paid. And I listen, 620 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: I would even be willing to go the next step 621 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: and say it's not about you know, furloughs and deferred compensation. 622 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: I think if if they shut down the government for 623 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: every day the government is not shut down, are there 624 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: every day the government shut down, then congressional staff doesn't 625 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: get paid. I mean you could also you can also, 626 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: you know, put a penalty on the staffers of the 627 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: minority party. No, I know you can't do that. It's 628 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: equal protection under the law. But the bottom line here 629 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: is that if they're not doing their jobs and they're 630 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: going to be petty and they're going to be childish, 631 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: and they're gonna, you know, hold the government hostage, hold 632 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: the American people hostage because they want more than a 633 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: trillion dollars to give money to for healthcare to folks 634 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: who are not American citizens, whether they're here legally or illegally. 635 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: Either way, then yeah, maybe just maybe there ought to 636 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: be they ought to have some more skin in this game. 637 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: They ought to be they ought to be held accountable 638 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: in that regard. If you know something, We're going to 639 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: ask that question of Scotty Hughes. She's going to be 640 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: joining us in the next hour. Very excited to have 641 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: her on. Scotty Hughes is a pundit, the former host 642 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: of News Views. Hughes now a fellow at Frontiers of 643 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: Freedom doing some really interesting work on healthcare policy, among 644 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: other things. We're going to talk to her about this. 645 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're gonna we're gonna really dive deeply into 646 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: what JD. Vance has said, what Mike Johnson has said. Oh, 647 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: and the White House has a special message on their 648 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: answering machine. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats Today