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Speaker 1: the Pacers and Action in San Antonio. Have you been

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Speaker 1: to San Antonio, Corbyn? You know they got that Riverwalk.

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Speaker 1: You can just go out here to the White River

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Speaker 1: it's awesome at the Riverwalk in San Antonio. But then

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Speaker 1: after about twenty minutes you're like, I think I just

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Speaker 2: But it is very cool.

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Speaker 1: A lot of good restaurants in San Antonio and a

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Speaker 1: team that the Pacers are going to see for the

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Speaker 1: second time in a week. Joining us now on the

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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and Port guest line. He is, of

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Speaker 1: course on the radio network for the Indiana Pacers, Pat Boylan,

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Speaker 1: joining us. Pat, you have or have not been to

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 3: For those who don't know, I don't typically travel with

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Speaker 3: the Pacers on the road. I'm in the studio that

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Speaker 3: you're sitting in there right now. My brother lives in Austin,

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Speaker 3: and I did a one day, like nine to seven

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Speaker 2: It is nice.

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Speaker 1: Did you notice when you do the riverwalk that after

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And when we went it was like late July

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Speaker 3: and approximately one hundred and five degrees, So I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that's the perfect time to take in San Antonio.

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Speaker 3: But you know, nice, smaller sized, medium city.

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Speaker 1: It is that that is a fair way of saying it.

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Speaker 1: It is also one that is epicentered around their NBA

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Speaker 1: team in the Spurs. And I want to begin with

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Speaker 1: this before we get into the Pacers, and there's plenty

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Speaker 1: to discuss there. But I mentioned this after going to

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Speaker 1: the game Monday. Pat, I know that we've known it.

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Speaker 1: I know that we have seen glimpses of it, and

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Speaker 1: then obviously he was hurt last year. But Victor Webbemyama

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Speaker 1: is truly the face of positionless basketball. Because to see

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Speaker 3: One thing that blew my mind, and I've had the

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Speaker 3: chance to watch him a couple of times, but at

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Speaker 3: Smiths was sitting, i think a little down from where

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like you're so used to watching when

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Speaker 3: his career. I do think it's a big, big question

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Speaker 3: But that said, I mean he is just unicorn. Almost

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Speaker 2: He did. On Monday, I mean you can get physical

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the physicality and then just you know, Durant

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Speaker 1: I made the point on Tuesday, Pat Pat Boiling is

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Speaker 1: Really is remarkable, just the evolution right in the way

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Speaker 1: to the center position. I want to focus there, Pat

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think you're being too critical. I think

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Speaker 3: You know, I can imagine a scenario where if Isaiah Jackson,

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Speaker 3: Pacers are going to have to have a center on

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Speaker 3: they did a lot of that fairly successfully in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: that allows for some flexibility of figuring things out in

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Speaker 1: other areas perhaps, But Miles Turner, to me, and I've

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Speaker 1: that's what made Miles Turner unique, and we cannot rest

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably a little bit of both. I

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Speaker 3: think for this season it's probably more of the latter. Now,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I do.

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Speaker 3: Think that skill set is maybe the closest to Jay Huff.

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Speaker 3: The general concept there is absolutely accurate. There's no reason

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Speaker 1: Pat most importantly, Red Panda back this year. Do we know?

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Speaker 1: All right, Pacers and Spurs, that is going to be

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Speaker 1: on this radio station, Pat Boiling, along with of course

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Speaker 1: right Pat, Yes, sir, all right, we appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you happen to have the like

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Speaker 1: thousand times. Admittedly, Rams and Chargers. I obviously know he's

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Speaker 1: the voice of the Chargers, but when I think LA,

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Speaker 1: I still think Ram.

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Speaker 2: Now I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's weird because I don't think San Diego Chargers per se.

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Speaker 1: But when I think La, Rams is the first thing

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Speaker 1: that comes to mind right off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they both are blue and yellow, they both

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Speaker 1: got the yellow thing going across the helmet, they're both

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Speaker 1: in LA, and now they play in the same stadium.

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Speaker 1: I'll get this confused until the end of time. I'm

447
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Speaker 1: gonna be completely screwed. When I'm older and I'm having

448
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Speaker 1: like some sort of cognitive issue and they're giving me

449
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Speaker 1: some sort of cognitive exam and they're like, well, just

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Speaker 1: ask him the simple question of which team plays in LA.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, which one? And I'm gonna confuse it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be completely like as I was at fifty three,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to confuse it, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Pacers in Action Tonight Tomorrow night, or excuse me, Pacers

455
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Speaker 1: and Action tomorrow night taking on the Spurs down in

456
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Speaker 1: San Antonio, and the the thing that's interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: because it's preseason, and I've never really gotten much into preseason,

458
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Speaker 1: but this year there is just so much question about

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Speaker 1: what they do roster wise, and furthermore, what they do stylistically.

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Speaker 1: And you know they've had already. I think a couple

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Speaker 1: of players that you look at and it's very easy.

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Speaker 1: Taylan Peter, by the way, you know, they're he has

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Speaker 1: a Ben Shepherd type feel about him. Their draft pick

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Speaker 1: from this year. And I don't mean that in the fact,

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Speaker 1: because they both came from, you know, a smaller school

466
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Speaker 1: and they are guys that got a little bit overlooked

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Speaker 1: and have the ability to hit an open shot or

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Speaker 1: a knockdown three if left open, and yet they also

469
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Speaker 1: can defend a rebound. And you know Cam Jones. We

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Speaker 1: haven't seen yet who was their first pick this year

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Speaker 1: in the draft because of injury. But Peter I think

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Speaker 1: has played. He looks like a Ben Shepherd player in

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Speaker 1: terms of and this might be the same situation that

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Speaker 1: took place with Jerrifs Walker and Ben Shephard. You know

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Speaker 1: Ben Shephard when those two came in. Just based on

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Speaker 1: rotation and other such things, Ben Shephard was getting minutes

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Speaker 1: before Jeris Walker and I think it was hard for

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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker. I think it was hard for Jeris Walker

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Speaker 1: to rotate in and to see those minutes be taken

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Speaker 1: by Ben Sheppard. But we'll see what happens with Cam

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Speaker 1: Jones now and Talon Peter.

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Speaker 2: Did you say we have Matt Corman? Is that what

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Speaker 2: you said? Yes, we do.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Jaba House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line and his patients is greatly appreciated. Matt Smith

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Speaker 1: is the radio play by play voice of the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers, and I made specific note to say Chargers

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Speaker 1: there because I still have that block with Chargers and Rams. Matt,

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Speaker 1: First off, man, how are you thanks for joining us?

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Speaker 5: That's funny, like it's usually the opposite. It's not Chargers

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Speaker 5: Rams in Los Angeles, it's San Diego, Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Yes, people typically right, for sure, get wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no worry on the patients. I'm just sitting on

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Speaker 5: the one ten Nightmare making my way over to Dodger Stadium.

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Speaker 2: So all good.

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Speaker 1: Oh listen man, that means you've got you've gone what

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Speaker 1: probably two miles in the last forty five minutes or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 2: It's not too bad.

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Speaker 5: It's I'm coming from the Chargers facility in Elsa, Gundos,

501
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Speaker 5: not to get who cares about logistics, But yes, I've

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Speaker 5: just hit the log jam. I was cruising for a

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Speaker 5: while and now I'm staring it down and yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: gonna take a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what's interesting. So we anticipated that the Colt

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Speaker 1: season was going to look like rush hour on the

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Speaker 1: one ten and the fact that we didn't know, you know,

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Speaker 1: how it was going to go. And yet lo and behold,

509
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Speaker 1: the ways has been good for them because they're off

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Speaker 1: to the start that is surprising, and the Chargers is

511
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Speaker 1: a matchup that from the get go I thought was

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Speaker 1: going to be a challenge for them. I really like

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, but from the outside it seems as though

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Speaker 1: LA has had problems at times protecting him. Is that

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Speaker 1: too nuanced a statement to make?

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Speaker 5: No, not at all, And they wouldn't have had any

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Speaker 5: problems protecting him had they not been dealing with these

518
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Speaker 5: catastrophic injuries across that front. Because Zion has really turned

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Speaker 5: into a heck of a guard after struggling his first

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Speaker 5: three seasons, and they signed McKay Beckton, who when he's

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Speaker 5: out there is fantastic. Then you got Slater and Alt

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Speaker 5: on the outside, and man, you got yourself a conversation

523
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Speaker 5: for the best O line in the league. Unfortunately, you know,

524
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Speaker 5: Rashaan Slater and All is gone in training camp, Joe All,

525
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Speaker 5: you know, gets rolled up on in the New York game,

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Speaker 5: and now you're on literally tackles six and seven. Their

527
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Speaker 5: backups Tray Pipkins and Jamari Sawyer were out last week,

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Speaker 5: so you're on Austin Deculis, a practice squad tackle, and

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Speaker 5: Bobby Hart, who they signed to the practice squad about

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Speaker 5: two weeks ago and hasn't started a game since twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one. We're out there on Sunday, So that's that's

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Speaker 5: certainly what's led to it. They've had to adjust the way,

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Speaker 5: you know, this offense not looking like we think it

534
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Speaker 5: should look, and a lot a lot of these deep

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Speaker 5: shots taken advantage of all that strength that Herbert has

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Speaker 5: in that right arm of his.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting when you look at, for example,

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Speaker 1: Matt the way that they distribute the ball through the

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Speaker 1: air with Justin Herbert, it seems as though, from a

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Speaker 1: receiving standpoint that they've got a pretty balanced core of players.

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Speaker 1: Is that because Herbert has the ability to create extent

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Speaker 1: and go through his reads and get to a second

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Speaker 1: and third check. Or is it by design of Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh to consistently keep defenses guessing as to where they're going.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's probably a product of just the roster.

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Speaker 5: You know, last year it was pretty much Lad and

547
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Speaker 5: almost nothing else, And even when teams were doubling in

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Speaker 5: the playoff game, even triple teaming LAD, he's still, you know,

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Speaker 5: against Houston, even though it was a mess of a game,

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Speaker 5: put up one hundred and ninety seven yards and a touchdown.

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Speaker 5: This year is much more similar to what we've seen

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Speaker 5: in the past, Like his rookie year when favorite people

553
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Speaker 5: in all of football Shane Steichen was his offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: He just threw to who was open. And even though

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Speaker 5: he had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams on the team,

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Speaker 5: at the end of the year, you look at the

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Speaker 5: stats and you're like, who's Tyron Williams And why does

558
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Speaker 5: he have four hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns?

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Speaker 5: Who's Jalen Dighton and why does he have four hundred

560
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Speaker 5: yards and three touchdowns? Like that's just the way Herbert's

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Speaker 5: always been if you're open, as long as you don't

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Speaker 5: drop the ball and you don't mess with you know,

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Speaker 5: kind of what he thinks, you're supposed what you're supposed

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Speaker 5: to be doing, and where he's going to throw it,

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Speaker 5: you're going to get the ball. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: like we just saw this last week right where Tyler

567
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Speaker 5: Conklin was getting snaps and now Aronde Gadston, fifth round

568
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Speaker 5: rookie out of Syracuse, has just kind of stepped in there.

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Speaker 5: He fumbles on the first reception, turns it over to Miami,

570
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Speaker 5: but he's you know, trying to get a first down

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Speaker 5: and extend the play. And the guy ends up with

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Speaker 5: eight more targets, seven more catches, and seventy more yards

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Speaker 5: just because Herbert's, Hey, if you're open, I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 5: it to you. That's just kind of the way he's

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Speaker 5: always operated.

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Speaker 1: And that's the tight end position you speak of there,

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Speaker 1: which has become for Indianapolis. You know, Tyler Warren just

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Speaker 1: solves so many things, Matt in terms of when you

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Speaker 1: get a tight end that you can line up in

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Speaker 1: different spots, right, then you can take advantage of a

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Speaker 1: defense or stretch of defense out defensively, what will Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones see informs of the Chargers and what is their

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Speaker 1: strength and their deficiency.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the hope is that what he sees

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Speaker 5: isn't what it is. That's sort of what Jesse Minner's

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Speaker 5: secret sauce is, right. It's a lot of simulated pressures.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of thinking what you see is what

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Speaker 5: it's going to be, and it's not. The one issue

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Speaker 5: that they've had is for whatever reason, this year and

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Speaker 5: it was not the case last year. Last year when

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Speaker 5: they were the best scoring defense in football seventeen to

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Speaker 5: six a game, and they were top ten and every metric,

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Speaker 5: they were sound tacklers, and they were good against the run,

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Speaker 5: really good against the run. This year, they I don't

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Speaker 5: know what's going on, if it's injury or if for

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Speaker 5: whatever it just different personnel because some people left last year.

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Speaker 5: They have had just way too many mistackles and that

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Speaker 5: obviously is a big concern against the Colts because of

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Speaker 5: what Jonathan Taylor can do and then how that opens

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Speaker 5: up play action and especially you know the physicality you

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Speaker 5: mentioned Tyler Warren, Like, this is a team you'd better

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Speaker 5: be able to tackle or else they're going to punish you.

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Speaker 5: In terms of the Colts, and so I think that's

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Speaker 5: that's the one thing they have to get cleaned up. Typically,

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Speaker 5: the scheme is sound, the players are usually in the

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Speaker 5: right places. We've seen a little bit more of that

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Speaker 5: this year that we didn't see last year. You know,

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Speaker 5: the Darren Waller touch found last week is a perfect

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Speaker 5: example of passing a guy off to nobody. That hasn't

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Speaker 5: happened a lot. But I think ultimately it's it probably

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Speaker 5: unless the Chargers change some things that we've seen in

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Speaker 5: the last three four games. It lines up okay for

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Speaker 5: the Colts because this run defense with the absence of

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Speaker 5: Khalil Mack, with the absence of Denzel Paraman, has gotten

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Speaker 5: real leaky. In a hurry. Now, Paraman should be back

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Speaker 5: out there the linebacker. I know he's not a big name,

617
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Speaker 5: but he's a thumper. He's exceptional at finding the right

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Speaker 5: run fit and making it happen and so, and Khalil

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Speaker 5: Mack started practicing yesterday. I don't think he's going to

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Speaker 5: be out there to go a long way long term

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Speaker 5: for them to get this thing fixed. But as far

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Speaker 5: as this Sunday is concerned, I just you know, you'd

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Speaker 5: have to say based on what we've seen with a

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Speaker 5: Chan last week with Crosskey Merat, the week before with

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Speaker 5: Skataboo and Darth the week before. As you know, teams

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Speaker 5: have been able.

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Speaker 2: To run on them.

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Speaker 1: Matt money Smith is our guests. He's on the job House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Guest Line. He is the radio voice

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Speaker 1: of the Los Ange List Chargers Matt. Jim Harbaugh was

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Speaker 1: very complimentary of his time with Jim Mersay. He had

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Speaker 1: very nice things to say about the Lake Colts owner.

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Speaker 1: What sort of I guess I'll use the word attitude

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Speaker 1: or just tone has Jim Harbaugh been able to bring

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Speaker 1: to the Chargers since becoming their head coach.

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Winning. I think that's number one. Toughness and winning. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's he is so good at getting players to believe

639
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Speaker 5: in what he's selling. And I think that's, you know,

640
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: such an underrated skill for a head coach. It's like, Hey,

641
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Speaker 5: I'm sending you out onto this field in a plastic

642
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 5: outfit and asking you to commit random Mattlin, not random,

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Speaker 5: but designed acts of violence? Will you do it for me?

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, with coaches in the past,

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Speaker 5: we've seen some guys are like, no, no, I won't

646
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Speaker 5: because I don't believe in and what you have us doing,

647
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Speaker 5: where the positions you're putting us in, and that this

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Speaker 5: is necessarily in our best interest. With Harbaugh, he is

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Speaker 5: all about his players. He is all about like you

650
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: will never hear him say a bad word about anyone,

651
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 5: regardless of how you know how many challenges they made,

652
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: challenges they may have had in the game prior, but

653
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 5: appreciate that he walks in that door and it's like, hey,

654
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 5: I understand that there's a verb out there called chargering

655
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 5: that has nothing to do with me. Okay, I'm a winner.

656
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: I win everywhere I go. I just won a national

657
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 5: championship at Michigan. I went to a super Bowl in

658
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: San Francisco. I took an afterthought of a program at

659
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 5: San Diego made him relevant, and then I was so

660
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 5: good at Stanford. I ran off Pete Carroll to the

661
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: NFL like I win, so follow my lead, and I

662
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: think that's what they needed. You know, they're so talented

663
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: with Derwin James and Justin Herbert, like, these guys are

664
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 5: so talented, find ways to lose games. So I think

665
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: that's more than anything what he was able to bring

666
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 5: to this team and just say let's go win games

667
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: twenty good enough, and.

668
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: He should have taken the Colts to the Super Bowl.

669
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: But Cordel Stewart got credit for a touchdown when he

670
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: stepped out of bounds ahead of time. But that's you know,

671
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: been thirty years, so we can let that go, all right. Lastly,

672
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend, as you know in my

673
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: buddy track Dude, Michael Young, who calls turn three the

674
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: eighty five hundred or turn two, and I'm in turn three,

675
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: so Michael throws it to me. He tells me that

676
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: he knows you because back when he was a rock DJ,

677
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: you were a record label like promoter basically for a

678
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: record company. Fact or fiction in terms of that.

679
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: One hundred percent fact.

680
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: Em Young is one of my absolute favorite guys on

681
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 5: the face of the earth. We've remained friends despite me

682
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 5: not being in the record business since two thousand and five,

683
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 5: is when I made the transition to sports. Yet we

684
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 5: still see each other whenever I go to Indy and

685
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 5: I go a lot to call Big ten tournament basketball,

686
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 5: or whenever he comes here. Track Dude, as people know him,

687
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 5: is just an autoin guy. And he was a pain.

688
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: He was I'll say it. I'll put it this way.

689
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: He was a pain in my ass while also being

690
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: one of my best partners. And give my.

691
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: Records play it.

692
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: Ah, that's exactly correct, rights, It's like it's both sides.

693
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I imagine this, Imagine having to wait for him to

694
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: have the brevity of making a radio call in eleven

695
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: seconds before he drops it to you, and having him

696
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: actually get it within eleven seconds. Right, so here, let

697
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: me ask you this in your time doing that, give

698
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: me the band, give me the musical act that when

699
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: you look back on it, you most aggressively tried to

700
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: promote or get played on radio that you were constantly selling.

701
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: Which one comes to mind?

702
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: I think the one I had the most belief in

703
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 5: was was Jimmy World. The guys were just such good dudes,

704
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: and they worked so hard, and so I wanted it

705
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 5: so badly for them, and I just thought the middle

706
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 5: and sweetness and that they were just like yeah that

707
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: there were just like five or six hits on that record,

708
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: and I was like, there's no way we're not going

709
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 5: to have this work, but like, oh, they like that

710
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: that was going to be their single.

711
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: It was like this song bunklow. Okay, I hate saying it.

712
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time for Matt.

713
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, uh, Jimmy E World did kind of work, and

714
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: then at the very last second that our connection did not.

715
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: But uh certainly appreciate the time. Matt money Smith, the

716
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: voice of the Chargers, joining us here on the program.

717
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: We will take a break, we'll come back. JMV. Is

718
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: it Joe's grill in Westfield? We will throw it out

719
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: to him here in about thirty minutes or so. But

720
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: before we do so, and it has come by very

721
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: specific request that our next guest, apparently, and I know

722
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: that obviously Matt Taylor has done Don Fisher impersonations. I

723
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: am told on the text line, Hey Jake, can you

724
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: please ask Matt Taylor to do his impression of JMV.

725
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: It is spot on and I have not heard it forever.

726
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, that is true or false that you do

727
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: a JMV impersonation.

728
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 6: Here's the deal, Jake, I mean, where do you want

729
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 6: to start with this bad boy? We just heard the

730
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 6: promo right there from the Great Rick ventury five and

731
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 6: one offense off the charts. Defense as of last year

732
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 6: no longer fu bar. It is absolutely fans stink fantastic

733
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 6: to be on your show.

734
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: By the way, is Matt Taylor there also just out

735
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: of curiosity.

736
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 6: Here's the deal, Jake, I mean, where do you want

737
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 6: to start here? I got three hours, I got three hours.

738
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 6: I want you, I want me, and we are live

739
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 6: at whatever tavern you just said that.

740
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: I am live at here.

741
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 6: I follow my savings, follow my voice. I will pied

742
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 6: Piper you down the line, admire the official super center

743
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 6: of the ride with JMB Here. Jake, We're gonna have

744
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 6: a fan stink fantastic time here for the next three hours.

745
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 6: I'm gonna drink, people are gonna come up to me.

746
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 6: I'm gonna talk on the air. It's gonna be awesometime here. Uh,

747
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 6: three hours of the ride with JMV on the fan

748
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 6: bad boy, this is awesome.

749
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: Now Here's the thing.

750
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: I will know I've arrived and I've been here long

751
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: enough when you finally have an impersonation of me.

752
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you.

753
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know which buzzwords I say

754
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: all the time, but I know they're out there right.

755
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: Uh, he's listen. It's all in jest, right, it's all.

756
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Of course solid though. That's solid, right.

757
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 6: I say it all the time, like if that means

758
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 6: people are paying attention to you know what I mean?

759
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 6: That's that's I think a high praise, a high Uh.

760
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 6: It's the ultimate compliment.

761
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: It is, indeed, all right, Matt, let's let's talk about this.

762
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: The the ultimate compliment for the Colts is the fact

763
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: that they are right now the number one seed in

764
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: the AFC if the playoffs began today, which.

765
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Guess what, they don't.

766
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: But this is one to me that's tricky with the

767
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: Chargers because at the beginning of the year it jumped

768
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: out as probably would you would say, what one of

769
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: the two or three toughest matchups on paper. But here

770
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: we are now and it's still a challenge. But obviously

771
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: the culture playing well. What jumps out at you about

772
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: the Chargers that maybe we didn't anticipate.

773
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 6: Well, they're banged up and they're slowly starting to get healthy.

774
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: I mean, their offensive line has just been in shambles.

775
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 6: They've had some key injuries on both sides of the

776
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 6: ball to some skilled players. Quinton Johnston didn't play last week,

777
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 6: but I think he's trending towards having a pretty good

778
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 6: chance of playing on Sunday. I think they're really deceiving

779
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 6: because you know, right now, they're still like look at

780
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 6: them on offense. They're right, they're only scoring about twenty

781
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 6: one points per game, but they are top ten and

782
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 6: just about everything, I mean, rushing and passing third down.

783
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 6: What's really killing them is just red zone. They are

784
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 6: the worst red zone team in the NFL. So for

785
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 6: whatever reason, they.

786
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 4: Just can't finish drives.

787
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 6: They only have seven red zone touchdowns the entire season,

788
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 6: So if they were able to finish more drives off

789
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: they would be I think right there. Kind of the

790
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 6: same conversation with the Colts, as you know, elite offense

791
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 6: and really tough to game plan for, and I think

792
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 6: they are right. They've got three receivers over three hundred yards.

793
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 6: You know, they got a pretty good up and coming

794
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 6: tight end and rond Gatson. You know, the running game

795
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: has sustained even though they've had some key injuries to

796
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 6: their top backs Naji Harris and Omari and Hampton. Harris

797
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 6: is on ir for the season. Hampton I think has

798
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 6: a good chance to come back sooner than later, but

799
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 6: that leaves them with asan Haskins and Kamani Videll and

800
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 6: you know, Vadell last week stepped up.

801
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 4: And ran over one hundred yards.

802
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 6: And to me, the Chargers Jake kind of look like

803
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 6: when I look at them on the surface, they kind

804
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 6: of look like they remind me of like the twenty

805
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 6: fifteen twenty sixteen Colts right where they've got a lot

806
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 6: of injuries and it just seems like the quarterback is

807
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 6: good enough to just kind of carry them, you know

808
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 6: what I mean, like keep them in every game. And

809
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 6: that's what Justin Herbert is able to do. And he's

810
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 6: coached really well by Jim Harball. Really, they had no

811
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 6: business winning that game the other day, but they were.

812
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 4: You know, they got a good kickoff.

813
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 6: Return at the end, and then Herbert made the great

814
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 6: play the houdiniac climbing up in the pocket, hits Lad

815
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 6: mcconkeye for a big game and then they win a

816
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 6: walk off winner. So they're a very good team despite

817
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 6: some of their overall statistics. But I think if they

818
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 6: were better in the red zone, they would be one

819
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 6: of the best elite teams in the NFL.

820
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: On offense.

821
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Speaker 1: But you know, one of the signs of a good

822
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: team Matt, Let's be real, and I know it's a cliche.

823
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Good teams find ways to win games, right. You know,

824
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: you look at whether we're talking about or for that matter,

825
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: for the Colts this year games. To me, the Colts

826
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: game against Arizona was signed of a good team because

827
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: they they kind of slogged their way through that game,

828
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: but when it came down to it, they made the

829
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: plays they needed to to win. And that's what good

830
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: the great teams do, right.

831
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Speaker 6: And I think last Sunday's game is way more the

832
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 6: norm in the NFL than the previous Sunday's game.

833
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: When you blow out the Raiders forty to six.

834
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think Jacoby Brissett and you know some

835
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 6: of their backs, Michael Kurter, I mean they were down

836
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 6: their top two backs last week as well. I Mean,

837
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 6: the NFL is just next man up, and these guys

838
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 6: are just Krim de Lakrim. I think that's what most

839
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 6: people don't really understand, is like there's just not a

840
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 6: huge drop off at most positions. I mean, you can

841
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 6: plug and play because they're just these guys are so

842
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 6: good and every team is operating under the salary cap, right,

843
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 6: I mean every team has only so much money to

844
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 6: pay their guys, which means there's gonna be a lot

845
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 6: of parody in the NFL, which is why all these

846
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 6: games seemingly come down to the fourth quarter and the

847
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: final four minutes. That's why it's way more, you know,

848
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 6: the exception than the rule. To see the Colts blow

849
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 6: three teams out by twenty plus points. It just hasn't

850
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 6: happened here since twenty twenty one. So I thought it

851
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 6: was important, especially the way that the date started.

852
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: For the Colts.

853
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 2: Jake.

854
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, two major injuries before the game

855
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 6: even starts. Like what I'm thinking of myself in the

856
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 6: press box, like what what is going on?

857
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: Like this is this is unheard of?

858
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 6: And then it's you know, you're you're starting, you know,

859
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 6: your top cornerback is unavailable to play, and that changes

860
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 6: the personnel, It certainly changes the game plan.

861
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: It's kind of a scramble job by lou Ane.

862
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 6: Rumo and the defensive staff to make it work, and

863
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 6: they did make it work. It wasn't pretty, but they

864
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 6: got to stop when they needed. It was fourth down

865
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 6: inside the ten yard line, under minute to go, So yeah,

866
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Speaker 6: I think that was very indicative of where the Colts

867
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Speaker 6: are at right now, just finding a way to win.

868
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Speaker 6: And that's what teams do is just make more plays

869
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Speaker 6: in crunch time. The offense score two fourth quarter touchdowns,

870
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Speaker 6: the defense got the stop.

871
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Speaker 4: They needed and it was just enough.

872
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Speaker 6: And more often than not in the NFL, that's what

873
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 6: it comes down to.

874
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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about the injuries. You know a

875
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: couple of them. Josh Downs not practicing yesterday due to concussion,

876
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: Ashton Dulan didn't practice yesterday due to a chest injury.

877
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Obviously we know now Anthony Richardson on ir after that incident,

878
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: and then Mooney Ward with the concussion. Where do things

879
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: stand right down, Matt.

880
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: Well, that's currently where they're at too.

881
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 6: So the practice report is going to come out here

882
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 6: in about an hour, right around four o'clock. And you

883
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 6: know the one I'm going to be watching the most

884
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 6: is probably Josh Downs. I mean to Oarvarius Ward, I mean,

885
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 6: this is really unfortunate for him, right This is a

886
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 6: second concussion of the season, and it's just hard. History

887
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: shows us that, and rightfully so it should be hard

888
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 6: for players and the idea of player safety. It should

889
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 6: be tough to come back from a concussion a week later.

890
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 6: It's tough to clear the five step process. And that's

891
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 6: on purpose because you know, the NFL wants to continue

892
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 6: player safety with head injuries, and so you know that's

893
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 6: in place for a reason. So I think ward is

894
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 6: it's gonna be tough. I don't know where Josh Downs

895
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 6: is because there just wasn't I mean, they didn't report

896
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 6: that until the injury report came out yesterday, So you know,

897
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 6: you can't sit here and speculate.

898
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe on Monday or Tuesday he.

899
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 6: Cleared a couple of those phases and then yesterday was

900
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 6: still in the protocol, and it has a decent chance.

901
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: I mean, we're not going to know on that until

902
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 6: tomorrow when Shane Stiken meets with the media. But I'll

903
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 6: be really interested to see where Josh Downs is here

904
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 6: in terms of the injury reporting about an hour because

905
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 6: he's the big one. I'm not saying he's not replaceable,

906
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 6: but man, he's just so good.

907
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 4: In the slot.

908
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 6: I mean, he's already one of the best slot receivers

909
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 6: in the game. He's clutched for the Colts on third down.

910
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 6: I think he's got the second most first down catches

911
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 6: this year among slot receivers, and so he just does

912
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 6: a lot for you in those short yardage.

913
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: Situations in the passing game.

914
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 6: And so how the Colts would adjust with his absence

915
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 6: is a big storyline going into this game.

916
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 2: Matt.

917
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: When you look at Matt Taylor is our guest, he's

918
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: on the Java house, peel and poor guest line. When

919
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: you look at the Colts overall, and maybe that's an

920
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: area they've already been tested and been able to prove it.

921
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: But in your opinion, the area where they have the

922
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: most depth is where.

923
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good question. I mean a lot of

924
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 4: areas which is good.

925
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 6: I mean, just initially thinking about that, there's a couple

926
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 6: of answers that come into my head.

927
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I think offensive line.

928
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 6: I mean, you still have, you know, guys like Danny

929
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 6: Pinter and Dalton Tucker. You know, I think you're you're

930
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 6: pretty good there defensive line.

931
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: You know, you've had some.

932
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 6: Guys really show up the last couple of weeks, and

933
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 6: specifically in the interior of that defensive line like Neville

934
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 6: Gallimore and I think's playing pretty well.

935
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: And the guy that I think has taking a bit

936
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: step from.

937
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 6: Year two to year three, or maybe it's year three

938
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 6: to year four now that I think about it, because

939
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 6: drafted in twenty two is at a tomil out of Barre.

940
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: He's really done a nice job.

941
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 6: And we've talked about this before in the past, right

942
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 6: when when Buckner and Stewart are out of the game.

943
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 6: In the past, it's just been kind of like, you know,

944
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 6: there's a guy up in the press box for the

945
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 6: opposing team with binoculars and he's relaying down to the

946
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 6: head coach or the offensive.

947
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: Coordinator saying, hey, ninety nine and ninety you're out of

948
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 4: the game.

949
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 6: Let's pound it. And that's what they've done. Teams have

950
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 6: done to the Colts. They just haven't had that backup

951
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 6: interior tackle depth, and I think out of barras giving

952
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 6: him that depth and that productivity both in the run

953
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 6: game and in his pass rush too. So that's been

954
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 6: good to see. You know, wide receiver is a good

955
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 6: depth position. I mean when things are normal. Obviously, right

956
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 6: now things aren't normal with with Josh Downs being the

957
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 6: concussion protocol and Ashton Doling, as you said, dealing with

958
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 6: the chest injury, and then also too, I mean ad

959
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 6: Mitchell still in the doghouse right. He was relegated to

960
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 6: the an active list last week and we'll see where

961
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 6: that is. But if those two guys can't play, Mitchell's

962
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 6: got a play, and it'll be interesting to see and

963
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 6: Nott how he's matured and how he's bounced back from that,

964
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 6: and that.

965
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: You know what I was saying, for his confidence standpoint,

966
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: this might be what's needed is for them to go

967
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: to him and say we need you. It's not we're

968
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: not just putting you out there because you are a

969
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: top draft pick and we see potential in you.

970
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: We actually need you.

971
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: And for you know, for the first time, maybe he

972
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: he'll realize And that sounds condescending, but you got what

973
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying right that that will awaken him. Before I

974
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: let you go, I wanted to ask you about one

975
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: other guy, because you have to Matt Taylor as the

976
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: voice of the Colts, you literally watch every snap and

977
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: one guy that I have been impressed by. But I

978
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: want you to tell me if my if I'm giving

979
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: too much credit here, not that he hasn't played well,

980
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: but I think Tanner BORDERLINI to me, has really been

981
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: impressive because not only has he is he locked down

982
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: just that position, but I watch him as well, almost

983
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: a center doesn't pull per se, but he will continue

984
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: and follow through a block and spring. Jonathan Taylor notably

985
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: open in situations that I think is impressive and beyond

986
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: almost even what you would expect. And for a guy

987
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: that you know was a spot fill in last year

988
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: and now a full time starter, I think he has

989
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: been very very solid.

990
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, agreed.

991
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: I mean he's been an iron man out there. I mean,

992
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 6: he's played one hundred percent of the snaps in four

993
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 6: of the six games this season, and the only reason

994
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 6: why he didn't play one hundred percent in the other

995
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 6: games is because the Colts are beating.

996
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: The crap out of the teams, you know what I mean.

997
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 6: And he's done a really really good job, like you said,

998
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 6: of opening up runs in the interior of the offensive

999
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: line for Jonathan Taylor. I mean, those guys are just

1000
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 6: playing so well. I mean, gonzalveez Is he's really assimilating

1001
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 6: well to his new position at right guard. And then

1002
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 6: obviously Quentin Nelson just he's on another level. I mean,

1003
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: he just I mean, Rick, you asked Rick Venturi about

1004
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 6: Quentin Nelson, and I hope you got about three hours

1005
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 6: because he's gonna talk your ear off about how well

1006
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 6: he's playing. No doubt, he's one of the best guards

1007
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 6: in the league. And you know, Shane Stike in the

1008
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 6: other day kind of called him. I know we're kind

1009
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 6: of veering off on Nelson a little bit, but you know,

1010
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 6: Shane Stike and actually schemes up ways to get Nelson,

1011
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 6: you know, sort of out of the pocket on the move,

1012
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 6: so that he can be a road grader and kind

1013
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 6: of a lead blocker for you know, whether it's Daniel

1014
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 6: Jones on a rollout or you know, a polling guard

1015
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 6: for for Jonathan Taylor. But yeah, going back to Bordolini,

1016
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 6: he's you can tell he's really comfortable in year number two,

1017
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 6: settling in with the idea that he's going to be

1018
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 6: the starting center for this team for for a long

1019
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 6: long time.

1020
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: And he's remained durable.

1021
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 6: He's playing at a high level, and you can tell

1022
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 6: those five guys along along that offensive line are just

1023
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 6: completely bought in. They're all doing a good job of

1024
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 6: playing with each other. And then I think to give

1025
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 6: credit for Jonathan Taylor because he has to know sort

1026
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 6: of the ins and outs and the makeup of the

1027
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 6: blocking abilities or maybe some of the deficiencies of the

1028
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 6: offensive line, and then just you know, changing his running

1029
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 6: style play by play based on where the play is going,

1030
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 6: you know, in the direction of certain offensive linemen. So

1031
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 6: he's showing great patience, he's showing great burst when he

1032
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 6: needs to have a burst.

1033
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: And I mean this offensive line is just playing at

1034
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 4: a very very high level.

1035
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 6: It's spearheaded by Tanner Bordolini, but certainly Jonathan Taylor is

1036
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 6: making all of those guys look great with some individual

1037
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 6: effort as well. But the running game is in a

1038
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 6: great spot right now.

1039
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: And the play by play will be provided by Matt

1040
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: Taylor on this radio station. Coming up on Sunday, Colts

1041
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, back to SOFI Stadium this time to

1042
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: take on the Chargers. Matt appreciate it as always, enjoy

1043
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: the great weather out in Los Angeles.

1044
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: All right, we'll do Jake Man, I'll talk you next week.

1045
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Speaker 2: All right, it sounds good.

1046
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