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Speaker 1: Hello, everybuddy. My name is Nigel Jason Hammer. Right over

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Speaker 1: there with the very special in studio guests.

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Speaker 2: A man that made his way through the frozen tundra

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Speaker 2: walked over here in this squall of snow. Counselor Michael

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Speaker 2: Paul Hart joins us. Counselor, how are you fantastic? Wasn't

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Speaker 2: so bad, but it is a little wet out there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when you leave here, it's going to be worse.

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Speaker 1: Just to let you know, you can't tell by looking

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Speaker 1: out the window over Monument Circle.

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Speaker 3: He's getting grayer and grayer by the minute.

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Speaker 4: It's not pretty.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking so much about what's happening with the

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Speaker 2: State House. I wanted to bring it a little local

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Speaker 2: here and talk about what's happening with the City of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: There's a big council meeting tonight. Get us up to date.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things going on with the council,

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Speaker 2: because it feels like guys like Joe hawk Set and

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Speaker 2: his you know, very democrat heavy council have been kind

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Speaker 2: of flying under the radar here.

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Speaker 4: What's going on with the council.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is actually a fairly busy December the

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Speaker 3: things that you'll normally see are a lot of appointments

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Speaker 3: to boards. There's fifty sixty different boards and commissions throughout

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Speaker 3: the city, so we're constantly appointing people to that. So

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Speaker 3: you see a lot of that going on tonight or

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Speaker 3: introductions for appointments in January. But some of the things

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Speaker 3: that draw attention, I think the two big items tonight.

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Speaker 3: The first one is funding the Economic Enhancement District. That's

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Speaker 3: the EED, that's that special district that was formed in

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis that went through a couple of revisions, but the

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Speaker 3: purpose of it is to have a safety team, a

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Speaker 3: cleaning crew.

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Speaker 5: And then to fund the housing hub for the homeless.

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Speaker 4: What's the safety team? Talk to me about that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what the safety team is is Downtown. They

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Speaker 3: renamed themselves. They were Downtown Indie Inc. Now they're Downtown

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Speaker 3: Indie Alliance. But essentially they bring in these dollars from

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Speaker 3: extra property taxes. Essentially it's an additional call it a fee,

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Speaker 3: called it a contribution, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 5: But business owners downtown pay this.

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Speaker 3: Residents don't, and they will take this. Indie Team has

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Speaker 3: these safety ambassadors and so you'll see people if you're

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Speaker 3: walking around they're in a red shirt and it says.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I've talked to them before, and are these

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Speaker 2: the same as the violence Interrupters or is that something different?

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Speaker 3: That's something different, completely different. So the Interrupters is through

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Speaker 3: the OPHS program through the City of Indianapolis down to

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Speaker 3: indian Alliance is a nonprofit organization, and so yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: I've talked.

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Speaker 4: To those guys.

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Speaker 1: I thank them for their service for what that's worth.

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Speaker 1: Not that I'm bragging, but I'd like what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: They've got a couple of things a cesa app as

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Speaker 3: well that it's supposed to be. They're more of a deterrent.

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Speaker 3: I would say, more than anything. They're out there.

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Speaker 4: How much do they make approximately, It's.

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Speaker 5: Not a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: And I know that because we're Some of the budget

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Speaker 3: items that they're asking for going forward is extending their hours.

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Speaker 2: And because the Violence Interrupters or whatever, they were making

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Speaker 2: some pretty good money.

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Speaker 3: They were Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys were making I

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Speaker 3: think seventy five k a year a person. We're talking

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Speaker 3: like an hourly rage for these guys in red shirts,

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Speaker 3: and they're really they're forming bonds of people. They do

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Speaker 3: I think they're doing a pretty good job, but that's

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Speaker 3: that's one of the things that they do. Then they've

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Speaker 3: got a cleaning crew, and then of course the housing hub.

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Speaker 1: First of all the housing hub, but the home for

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Speaker 1: the Homeless just expand on that in just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like housing for the homeless, we've tried

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Speaker 1: that over and over and over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Unless you put in some sort of mental health component

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Speaker 1: in the how you know, homeless for the housing just

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Speaker 1: doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a there is a component there. But

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Speaker 3: so you're there is Aspire Health is who they're partnered

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Speaker 3: that they use a lot. So right now we've got

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Speaker 3: a couple of things going on where the city does

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Speaker 3: with homeless, and then I'll point out where where I

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Speaker 3: see room for improvement. So what they have is currently

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Speaker 3: winter contingency, so anytime it gets below twenty five degrees outside,

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Speaker 3: there are just a multitude of places that open up

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Speaker 4: Understand that component, yeah, I understand, and.

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Speaker 3: You've got folks there. Health is also there trying to

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Speaker 5: Then you've got the Housing.

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Speaker 3: Hub right which is coming up, which is opposed to

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Speaker 3: house one hundred and fifty people, So folks that you

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Speaker 3: primarily see most of them. The goal is for them

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Speaker 3: to then stay in this housing hub, to find them

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Speaker 3: then permanent housing, but also try and get them assistance

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Speaker 3: where I identify. And then of course we've got the

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Speaker 3: Streets to Home program in Indianapolis, where we've taken ten

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Speaker 3: million dollars of taxpayer dollars and trying to get folks

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Speaker 3: from the street essentially into long term leases. But when

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Speaker 3: I talk to other people in the community that spend

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Speaker 3: their lives in these fields and dedicated their lives in

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Speaker 3: this field, their concerned is there's nothing stopping the pipeline

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Speaker 3: of people entering homeless. And so we'll get folks off

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Speaker 3: the street surely, and we may.

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Speaker 5: Get place they need to go.

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Speaker 3: There's more coming, but there's certainly more coming, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: In terms of getting people off the Street. It's a

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Speaker 2: big weekend here in Indie. The Big Ten Championship football

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Speaker 2: games in Town, Indiana is a part of it. This

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Speaker 2: year Ohio State, you've got big time college basketball games

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Speaker 4: Where do the homeless go?

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Speaker 2: Because we know they don't stick around downtown like if

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Speaker 2: you work down here like we do, you walk around

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Speaker 2: the circle. But you always notice when there's a major event,

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Speaker 2: the homeless are magically gone. Where do they go?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean I've heard rumors, right, I know one

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Speaker 3: Certainly go are missions and shelters, Right, those guys do

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Speaker 3: a good job and there's there's a normal crew that

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Speaker 3: go there. And I learned this through looking at a

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Speaker 5: And we learn that through traffic patterns.

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Speaker 3: You know, the shelters will let out at a certain

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Speaker 3: So that's why you see at different times a day

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Speaker 3: they'll go into the shelter, but the shelters and release

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Speaker 3: a hotel during that time to clean them up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I can't prove it, but I have certainly

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Speaker 2: I had a source tell me a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's still the case or not,

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Speaker 2: there was a hotel that was near the old airport

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Speaker 2: that was where the shuttles were running constantly back and

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Speaker 2: allowed to stay there. I'm sure thus hotel was getting

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Speaker 2: some sort of kickback from the city because they're not

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Speaker 2: doing this out of the kindness of their heart. And meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: downtown looks good for the TV cameras.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise. I mean, during COVID, we spent thirty

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Speaker 3: seven million dollars housing the folks were homeless during that

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Speaker 3: long period of time through ARPA dollars, and it was

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Speaker 3: all on the West Side. So I mean, some of

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Speaker 3: those things are tracking with things that I know we've

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Speaker 2: Chatting with Counselor Michael Paul Hart here on the Hammer

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Speaker 2: In Nigel Show. A city council meeting is tonight. Any

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Speaker 2: updates from the Crime Committee Nige and I have been

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Speaker 2: talking about this a lot. About a month ago, I

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Speaker 2: went to a comedy show on a Friday night downtown

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Speaker 2: and indy sixty degree night, very unseasonably warm in November

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Speaker 2: on a Friday night. Show gets done about eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: My wife and I are walking back to our car.

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Speaker 2: It's dead downtown counselor other than the New Country Bar,

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Speaker 2: which is doing really well and the comedy club, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was a ghost town. Police were out, they were

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Speaker 2: doing their job. They had cars everywhere, but the foot

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Speaker 2: traffic just wasn't there. And I was thinking about when

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Speaker 2: I was twenty three, When I was twenty four, Broad

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Speaker 2: Ripple Downtown it was packed.

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Speaker 4: It was like a college town.

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Speaker 2: Any concerns from downtown business groups, many of them who

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Speaker 2: support the Democrat policies that have kind of led to

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Speaker 5: So lots of unpeck there.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of things on going back to the

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Speaker 5: Do you need more money?

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Speaker 3: And he constantly told me no, no, no, And he

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Speaker 3: He's going to get us more people to get more

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Speaker 3: cases through. We'll see if that happens. I learned about

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Speaker 3: another committee that we have, but it's actually a planning council.

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Speaker 3: We have a Criminal Justice Planning Council that has the sheriff,

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Speaker 3: the chief of police, the prosecutor, the mayor is supposed

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Speaker 3: to be on this board vop. Every high office official

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Speaker 3: is supposed to be on this planning council talking about

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Speaker 3: criminal justice, public safety. And I attended it last month

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Speaker 3: to give a presentation on the work I'm doing with

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Speaker 3: And it was like almost like a ghost town on

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Speaker 3: that committee, which is this is where they're supposed to

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Speaker 3: put together their ideas to get to the council.

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Speaker 2: These are the people that run the city, the mayor,

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor, the chief of police.

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, So you know, i'd like to you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll call that out and I'm putting out in my

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Speaker 3: newsletter for people to go look at. But to your question,

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Speaker 3: right downtown people walking around, the lack thereof how does

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Speaker 3: that impact business?

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Speaker 5: And I think it certainly does.

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Speaker 3: And I've had conversations with folks even about things going

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Speaker 3: wah wah that was canceled and the message that even

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Speaker 3: sent to you know, the folks that were looking at it.

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Speaker 3: And so if folks are looking at a wah wah

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Speaker 3: not making it through because of an overlay development standard,

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Speaker 3: they're certainly looking at downtown and wondering what where are

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Speaker 3: the people at and what are we going to do

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Speaker 4: And where are the businesses at?

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Speaker 2: There's an awful lot of a lot of open storefront

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Speaker 1: What was the study twenty six percent? I mean we

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Speaker 1: were like twice the average of in the country of

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Speaker 5: Oh, yes, six percent.

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Speaker 3: These are these tall high rises that you know, there's

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Speaker 3: massive issue that we've got the walk ability that I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've got, you just don't see the people right.

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Speaker 2: And what frustrates me as a Indianapolis guy, Marion County resident.

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Speaker 2: I see the Chamber Chamber of Commerce last election endorsing

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Speaker 2: Joe Hawk set the same Joe Hawk said they let

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Speaker 2: many businesses finn for themselves while he was missing during

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Speaker 2: the riots. The same Joe Hawks said that was blaming everybody,

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Speaker 2: including the police, for what happened downtown. Nothing was his fault.

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Speaker 2: Yet they endorsed that, and now they're wondering where all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've got you know, I've talked to folks

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Speaker 3: three they told me three businesses were closing just I

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Speaker 3: because of you know all that.

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Speaker 5: You know, everybody's you know, concerned.

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Speaker 3: About construction, but the lack of foresight that was looked

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Speaker 3: into of if we close this road, this road, and

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Speaker 3: this road, how are people still going to get to

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Speaker 3: some of these businesses? And it's you know, little decisions

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Speaker 3: like that that we're seeing down in Fountain Squares.

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Speaker 5: Stuff like the wah wah.

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Speaker 3: That you're seeing on the east side, you know near

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Speaker 3: Economic Development arm of Indianapolis decided to do another master

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Speaker 3: plan for Broad Ripple. Right now, I've got nothing against

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Speaker 3: Broad Ripple, but I mean, if you look at Indianapolis

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Speaker 3: a master plan, and I don't think that a majority

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Speaker 3: say it they.

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Speaker 5: Just had one they did.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, right, one more thing here, about thirty

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Speaker 2: seconds left, tell us what you're working on and what

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Speaker 5: Certainly so myself tonight, I'm actually giving a.

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Speaker 3: Big props to McAllister, which is a business that's been

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis for eighty years. So Chris McCallister is the I

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Speaker 3: think fourth generation owner. I've got him coming in giving

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Speaker 3: him good props for staying in Indianapolis. Start and his

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Speaker 3: family started this business here personally spending a lot of

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Speaker 3: time in housing and homelessness, trying to look upstream at

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Speaker 3: a lot of this and how do we look at

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Speaker 3: housing affordability. I mean, it's just something that's rising and

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Speaker 3: rising and rising, and trying to talk to people a

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Speaker 3: lot smarter than me in the space, looking what other

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Speaker 3: cities are doing, trying to find benchmarks that we can

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Speaker 3: actually start to set KPIs for Indianapolis and understand where

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Speaker 3: we're at and where we need to be to be

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Speaker 3: more attractive, to have more people who are starting to

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Speaker 3: shop here and want to be part of Indianapolis. So

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to get into the weeds on a lot

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Speaker 3: of that stuff and build out some committees to support

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Speaker 3: new ideas that make Indianapolis the smartest city in America.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: All year you came in here once a month to

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Speaker 2: keep us up to date doing what's happening with the

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Speaker 2: city and the city County Council, the good news, the

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Speaker 2: bad news, and everything and in between. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: continue this into the next year. If you're up to it.

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Speaker 5: I'm more than happy to and be a pleasure.

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Speaker 4: All right, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Counselor Michael Paul Hart right there,