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Speaker 2: He is on the Java House Peel and Poor Guest

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Speaker 2: line Jake twenty five. By the way, the discount code

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Speaker 2: at Java house dot com. But Joel Ericson is with

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Speaker 2: The Indianapolis Star. Joel, I'll begin with this yesterday, the

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Speaker 2: big news of Sauce Gardner on his way to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: From what you have heard, we had Jenny Coachley on

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Speaker 2: yesterday fromsn why that covers the Jets. But in the

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Speaker 2: things that you've heard discussed, talked about, et cetera, what

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Speaker 2: kind of a player. We know what he has reputed

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Speaker 2: to be. But in your opinion and the things that

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Speaker 2: you've heard from people in New York, perhaps give me

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Speaker 2: the overview spotlight on who exactly it is that the

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Speaker 2: Colts are getting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they believed getting a true, a true, honest to

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Speaker 3: goodness number one cornerback, which like if you look at

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Speaker 3: some of the stuff that was written before the season,

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Speaker 3: some of the polls that people do and stuff, they've

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Speaker 3: got him, like they've got him in the top five

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Speaker 3: cornerbacks in the NFL. He hasn't necessarily like some of

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Speaker 3: his numbers don't look that way this year. But also

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Speaker 3: some of his numbers look better than they have in

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Speaker 3: the past in terms of the underlying stuff, how close

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Speaker 3: he is in coverage. I also think that part of it,

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Speaker 3: with the way he's playing, could be just you know,

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Speaker 3: do we know that Aaron Glenn is a great defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we know that yet. And so

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is this. It's not only

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Speaker 3: that they're getting that kind of corner. They got him

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Speaker 3: all the way till twenty thirty and he's only twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Yet the.

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Speaker 2: Thing about Gardner, let's go back to this, okay, And

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Joel, It depends on who you ask

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Speaker 2: in this regard. Is there any and I'm almost embarrassed

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Speaker 2: to ask it this way, but is there any chance

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Speaker 2: that they're getting a player who has already started to

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Speaker 2: show regression? Which sounds crazy based on his age, I realized,

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Speaker 2: But what do the statistics say?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's definitely a possibility. So the one thing I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of people out there wanted an edge rusher,

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Speaker 3: and I wrote this this morning in a vacuum. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you take an elite edge rusher over an elite corner

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Speaker 3: because cornerback is a very volatile position. If your name

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Speaker 3: predict that you're going to be the best corner in

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Speaker 3: the league for ten years. You know mc patrick Sartan

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Speaker 3: gets there. But if you start thinking, just go through

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Speaker 3: the league are right now, you'll feel like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if those guys are making that kind

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Speaker 3: of impact. It's it's a volatile position, so it is

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Speaker 3: possible that you're getting a player who's not going to play,

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Speaker 3: who's not going to play at an all pro level

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Speaker 3: for over the entirety of that deal. Clearly the Colts

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Speaker 3: were willing to take that chance.

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Speaker 2: In terms of Sauce Gardner and the position itself. And

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to that Joli ericson Indie

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Speaker 2: the pass rush you know conundrum if you will, It's

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Speaker 2: not like they have zero pass rush. And I think

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Speaker 2: Which do you think is more true? Joel A Chris

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Speaker 2: Ballard feversly tried to get a game changing pass rusher

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Speaker 2: and there just wasn't anything there or B Chris Ballard

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Speaker 2: are literally a half a second away from numerous numbers

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Speaker 2: that gives our guys time to tee off. So I'm

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Speaker 2: the more true scenario.

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Speaker 3: He tried to He tried to u Greade Eddress. He did.

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Speaker 3: He tried to up grade address but if you look

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Speaker 3: They wanted somebody who is going to take the defense

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Speaker 3: they gave up two first round picks plus ad Mitchell

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Speaker 3: This isn't Michael Parsons who can completely transform your pass rush.

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Speaker 3: But does he take our pass rush to the next

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Speaker 3: of it is it didn't elevate this defense. Gardner elevates

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Speaker 3: the defense. Gardner is the corner who can actually take

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Speaker 3: this defense to the next level. Because of what you said,

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Speaker 3: you can press at the line, you can play tighter

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Speaker 3: coverage at the line and maybe force the quarterback to

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Speaker 3: hold the ball because you know, like last week when

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Speaker 2: Uh, this does show would you agree that they're all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one thousand percent, one thousand percent because you traded

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Speaker 3: get a different quarterback. So it does show that they

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Speaker 3: they believe that that Frost eight games is the real

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones and that's what they're going to get moving forward.

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Speaker 3: It shows that, you know, we can kind of stop

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Speaker 3: talking about if they're going to have sign to an

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Speaker 2: Joe, let me throw you something that somebody mentioned to

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Speaker 2: I get it here. This makes some sense. Is there

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Speaker 2: the possibility at the end of the year, if the Colts,

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Speaker 2: let's just say hypothetically, that the Colts, you know, stay

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Speaker 3: I think if he's healthy enough, yeah, I think you

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Speaker 2: How much of Chris Ballard's new aggression is because he

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. That's a great question. I've said

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Speaker 3: I don't want to evaluate somebody without knowing if do

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Speaker 3: they have everything they need? And it sure seems like

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Speaker 3: You know, basically all off season, going back to the

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Speaker 3: do think that it seems like, you know, either she

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Speaker 2: Could it be that carl Orse Gordon is not necessarily

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Speaker 2: standing in the middle lane with the sign up? You

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Speaker 2: know when you see you know, you ever drive on

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Speaker 2: Meridi and you see these guys that come out of

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Speaker 2: nowhere and they're they're doing running traffic for a parking

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had this happen?

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Speaker 3: Joel? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do we know if they have authority? Do we know

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Speaker 2: like are they deputized? Do we know these guys?

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Speaker 3: These guys are at every NFL game, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Of it right right, but we pay It's like the

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Speaker 2: So that said, do we know if Carle maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: never know this, Joel, But if you had to guess,

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Speaker 2: is it is your gut telling you that Carli Orsa

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Speaker 3: I think I think maybe more the second one. You know,

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Speaker 3: why are we making this deal? What's going to happen?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you know, when she got the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The uh.

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Speaker 2: Joel Erickson is our guest Indianapolis Star is where you

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Speaker 2: can read his work. He is on the Java House

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Speaker 2: Peel and Poor Guest line. Joel sautgartered, I'm assuming we

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Speaker 2: know the answer to this, but I will ask if

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Speaker 2: there has been any official clarification. He is on Field

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Speaker 2: Sunday in Germany.

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Speaker 3: Correct, provided provided he clears concussion protocol, which I have

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Speaker 3: no reason to think he will not.

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Speaker 2: I did not realize he was in concussion protocol.

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Speaker 3: Actually he is still in concussion protocol. He suffered one

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Speaker 3: against Carolina in week seven. He missed their win over

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Speaker 3: the Bengals in week eight, and then had.

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Speaker 1: A bye week gotcha, and has not cleared yet.

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Speaker 3: So actually we just talked to Shane Steichen. It seems

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Speaker 3: here because the independent neurologist has to clear him. They're

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Speaker 3: not allowed to talk to the media WHI they're protocols.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The other side of that would be with Mooney Ward

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Speaker 2: and you know that side of the story. In terms

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Speaker 2: of concussion protocol. Where do things stand there?

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Speaker 3: They have said fastly said that they expect wardback at

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Speaker 3: some point this season, but you have the having the

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Speaker 3: two concussions in about a month and a half is

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Speaker 1: IR Are they otherwise?

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Speaker 2: Joel, When it comes to because you know you're going

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Speaker 2: into this situation, you want to obviously play strong coming

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Speaker 2: off of the Pittsburgh disaster, we'll call it that. And

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Speaker 2: You are a fan of the Milwaukee Brewers. You grow up,

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Speaker 2: speak for yourself. Buddy, stand up right now. The floor

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to because when Craig Council comes

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Speaker 3: they boo. I support that booing very strongly. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's sports, right, It's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's people take it too seriously.

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Speaker 1: Of course, are you kidding me? Of course, no question.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, no, that's that's there. They're playing.

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Speaker 3: They're doing the thing where you that everybody does. They're like, well,

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Speaker 4: Of course, of course quickly here Juli, yes or note

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Speaker 3: I don't know that yet. I don't know that. I

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Speaker 2: When do you leave, by the way tomorrow afternoon and

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Speaker 3: No, I go, I'm on American So I'm going Charlotte

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, all right, well good and dog enjoy, Well

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Speaker 3: We will be very tired when we get to the

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Suck it up, ye all right, jo all appreciate it. Man,

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Speaker 2: Ericsson joining us on the Java House Pielaport Guests. I'm

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Speaker 2: number one perdue last night over Evansville at Mackie. Butlet

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Speaker 2: Benner played well the youngster for the boiler Makers Indiana

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Speaker 2: and Action tonight Alabama A and M. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: That would be our friend from the Indianapolis Star, Dustin,

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Speaker 2: it is name tag night at the Fieldhouse. They're passing

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Speaker 1: And I thought they played well.

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Speaker 5: Right, Let's not forget he was like a top thirty recruit.

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Speaker 5: reason to be careful.

435
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: Dustin a Pirak is our guest from the Indianapol Star.

436
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: He is on the Java House Peel and poor guest

437
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 2: line dustin the center position.

438
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: It is so early in the year, and it.

439
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 2: Is probably even unfair to adequately try to gauge everything

440
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: because we just don't see the supporting cast around the

441
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: center that we would be seeing if this was the

442
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: playoffs and everyone's healthy. I understand that. However, However, if

443
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: I were to nitpick something, it would be that I

444
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: thought I would see more out of Jay Huff than now,

445
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: and in particular defensively. To me, it looks like he

446
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: needs more strength and Tony Bradley perhaps has moved in

447
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 2: front of him a little bit. I think we know

448
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: Isaiah Jackson, you know, is starting to show some progress.

449
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: Where do you assess the center position?

450
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think he nailed that. I don't

451
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 5: think you've seen too much as Jay Huff yet. You know,

452
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the numbers right now. It's it's not great.

453
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 5: And you know he's blocking some shots, and I think

454
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 5: that's but you know, there's the blocking shots piece of defense,

455
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 5: and then there's the rest of piece of Defense's like

456
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 5: when someone's driving at being able to walk them off.

457
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 5: And he hasn't shown a great capacity, I don't think

458
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 5: for that, and not shooting as well as you would

459
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 5: need to to make up for that. He's three or

460
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 5: seventeen from three of so far so far nine to

461
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 5: twenty six in the floor rebunning numbers aren't Spectatckler. He's

462
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 5: got fifteen. He's got ten off shots, which does leave

463
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 5: the team is six more than else. And so you're

464
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 5: seeing that capacity to get up and at least you know,

465
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 5: pin stuff off the wall, and that's that's that's something

466
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: you know that that's worth pointing out. But I mean,

467
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 5: I think there were people that thought he was going

468
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 5: to be just a cheaper version of mouse Turner, and

469
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 5: he's not. You know, you're not seeing that at that level.

470
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 5: And yes, defensively he's not. Really if you're driving at him,

471
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: he's not giving you as much resistance as you need

472
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 5: to see. When the ball goes up, he's got of

473
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 5: pinning it off the glass. And that's worth noting. But

474
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 5: you know, he's not dominant on the glass, he's not

475
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 5: walling you off trying to get to the paint in

476
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 5: the first place. You know, just not moving as quick

477
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 5: as you want to. You're not seeing the same level

478
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 5: of condition that you'd like to have. It does take

479
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 5: getting used to, I think for these big guys in particular,

480
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 5: to get used to what it requires to play as

481
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 5: fast as these guys do, and you know, to defense

482
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 5: like ninety four feet. You know, if you're if your

483
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 5: big brant goes into the back court, they expect you

484
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 5: to pick him up the whole way. And that's something

485
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 5: that gets this It takes some getting used to from

486
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 5: some guys. And I don't think you've seen Jay have

487
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 5: to get used to it yet. Bradley, as Ricarlo continues

488
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 5: to say, just plays a very very simple game. He

489
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 5: just you know, takes the shots that are easy and

490
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 5: close to the bucket box. Is out really well, you know,

491
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 5: isn't super athletic, isn't super fast, but just you know,

492
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 5: knows what he has to get in the way of

493
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 5: and does a great job. He's shooting seventy one percent

494
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 5: from the floor so far. Which is really impressive, you know,

495
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 5: rebounding at a pretty good rate. I think he's up

496
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 5: there to you know, one or two in offensive rebounds

497
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 5: on this team, doing a good job of chasing stuff down.

498
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 5: So absolutely at this point he's he's clearly ahead of

499
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 5: Jay Huns as far as if you're looking at the

500
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 5: center depth chart. But huss how to play a lot

501
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 5: of power forward too is the thing because you're end

502
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 5: up playing starting all three of those forwards that you

503
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 5: have remaining in Siakham and Mee, Smith and Walker, And

504
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: that's why they're picking up guys like Robinsonurel and Cody

505
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 5: Martin in the first.

506
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: Place, Ben Shephard and Jerris Walker, which of those two,

507
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: to you Dustin appears to be settling in more comfortably

508
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: with increased responsibilities in minutes, Walker and neither one of.

509
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 5: Them, it's definitely both of them are they're they're they're

510
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 5: trying really hard to swim, you know what I mean.

511
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 5: You know, Walker I think is just I mean, they're

512
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 5: asking a lot of you know, they're asking him to

513
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 5: go go get a lot of shots. It's funny, you know,

514
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 5: basically the charge for these guys for the last you know,

515
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 5: couple of years has been you know, catch and shoot,

516
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 5: move the ball, quick decisions, just don't have the ball

517
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 5: in your hand a lot. And now guys like Aaron

518
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: Dei Smith and Jerfswalker have to create so basically everything

519
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 5: that you know, they're being asked to do everything Bennedic

520
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 5: Matherne did, when for years Benedic Mathern was asked to

521
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 5: do everything Aaron Ni Smith did. So I think there's

522
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 5: some irony in that, but I mean they're It's interesting

523
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 5: that Walker's at thirty four percents in the floor, thirty

524
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: one percent from three, but it's just you He's got

525
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 5: to get volume up, you know, And and that's actually

526
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 5: more important now is just to find ways of creating

527
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 5: stuff and give him opportunity a shot and put the

528
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 5: ball off the glass and hope something works out. And

529
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: so I think Walker is doing I think better because

530
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 5: he's ultimately just being more productive. And I think that's

531
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 5: that's a charge right now, is just produced, you know,

532
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: like you like, being efficient isn't as valuable as it was,

533
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 5: Like you've got to be able to create something because

534
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 5: there's there's not the same number of creators. Somebody's got

535
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 5: to create, and Walker's been better at creating. I don't

536
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: think she ever's done a bad job necessarily, but I

537
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 5: mean he's not shooting a well five to twenty seven

538
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 5: and three thirty two percent in the floor, you know.

539
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 5: I mean he's done an okay job I think of

540
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: running the point, but it is more than he's usually

541
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 5: asked to do. He's been fine in a situation where

542
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 5: it's just take shoot it or move it. You know,

543
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: you're either going to get a clean, wide open look

544
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 5: and you hit it, or you keep the ball moving.

545
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: And that's what you want offense, you sprint sprint to

546
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 5: the corners. When he's had a basic responsibility, he has

547
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 5: done it really well. But he's asked to do a

548
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: lot of more. Is has to handle a lot more,

549
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 5: he's has to create a lot more. The shots aren't

550
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 5: as good because again, like he's he's got to get volume,

551
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: he's got to take shots he wouldn't usually take. And

552
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 5: so that's you know, ripping into his efficiency numbers. And

553
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 5: so you're seeing Walker, who has the capacity I think

554
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 5: to create more, has been more productive.

555
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: You know, Dustin, In playing basketball and in watching basketball,

556
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: there are very few areas where playing pick up basketball

557
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: or high school basketball or college basketball translates into NBA obviously, right,

558
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: But it does offer perspective when you view and one

559
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: of the things that I've noticed, and I I just

560
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: simply want to ask if this makes sense. One of

561
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: the things that is an underrated aspect of the game

562
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: is players that I've always said, you can tell when

563
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: a guy knows at all times where the rim is

564
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: in relation to where they are, especially low post players

565
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: when their back is to the basket, they always know

566
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: where the basket is. And you can kind of tell

567
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 2: when guys if things start moving too quick when it

568
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: throws them off a little bit on where where they

569
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: need to be. Jaris walker To me, it seems like

570
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: in the last five games that has all finally slowed down,

571
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: where he seems to have a better feel and natural

572
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: just natural tendency of knowledge of space on the floor

573
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: than he did as a younger player. Does that in

574
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: any way make sense.

575
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does make sense. I'd have to like basically

576
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 5: look back at stuff to see if I agree with that,

577
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 5: but I mean I think I do. Like, I mean,

578
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 5: he does seem just overall more comfortable. He's definitely, it's

579
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 5: just such a scrambled setting. But it's they just have

580
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 5: to grow up. I mean it's like, like I'm not

581
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 5: saying that they're not like that's not like a dig,

582
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: but like, I mean, these guys really have to mature

583
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: under fire fast. And I do think you're seeing that

584
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 5: because it's just like he's going in and taking shots

585
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 5: that require some kind of spatial understanding that you're like, Okay,

586
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: like you're gonna drive at the basket, you're gonna get

587
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 5: wald off, you're gonna have to turn, you're gonna have

588
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 5: to spin, You're gonna have to do something and get

589
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 5: yourself a good look because you know there's not going

590
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 5: to be that you know, open paths that you've been

591
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 5: used to the last couple of years, because when this

592
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 5: thing works, you know, there's there's a lot of easy,

593
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: simple decisions to be made. You know, now there's not

594
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 5: as many simple decisions. There's a lot more of you

595
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 5: got to go through contact and you've got to find

596
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: a way to create something off off movement, off the bounce,

597
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 5: off of spin off of something. And when you go up,

598
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 5: you got to you know, you've got to have be

599
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 5: pretty well oriented too where the ball needs to go

600
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: and where you need to shoot the ball. It's tough

601
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 5: to calibrate that if you don't have a great sense

602
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 5: of it when you jump. And I do think you're

603
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: seeing that. I do think he has a better sense

604
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 5: of Okay, how far do I need to go to

605
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 5: get someplace where I can make I can make this

606
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 5: spin move and how much am I going to have

607
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: to put on it when I do? You know, like

608
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 5: you've seen some pretty awesome movement spinning, turning, you know,

609
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 5: off balance shots from him. Like it's stuff that you

610
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: didn't necessarily want him to do before, but now that

611
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: you need him to do because you just don't have

612
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 5: anybody else to create. And I think there's growth comes

613
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: with being thrown into that fire.

614
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: Dustin something I noticed in that lost to Milwaukee on

615
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: Monday night. You know, typically, especially you know last year,

616
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: and when Pascal first arrived with the Pacers, he was

617
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: playing the first five to six minutes and he would

618
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: sit like two to three, he'd come back and finish

619
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: the first quarter. On Monday night, there was a shift.

620
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: They didn't sit him at all in the first quarter.

621
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: He pretty much played all twelve minutes. Is that something

622
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: that Rick Carlile and the coaching staff is going to

623
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: do from a game to game basis, or is that

624
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: kind of his new rotation now moving forward, knowing, Hey,

625
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: we need to start off better in these first quarters

626
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: and I need to have my best player out there

627
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: for the first twelve minutes.

628
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's just a question. They're just having

629
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 5: a hard time taking him off before. You know, at

630
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 5: the end of the day, like he just the role

631
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 5: he's in, he's so far far above everybody else. I mean,

632
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: like what it was last year was all right. They

633
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: for the most part try to keep Halliburton and at

634
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 5: least one or two are one of Halliburton and Siakam

635
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: on the floor at all times. They weren't. You need

636
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 5: to make sure that at least that there was never

637
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: there wasn't much time that basically there are only maybe

638
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 5: a couple minutes of game at most, but they didn't

639
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 5: have both of those guys guys or at least one

640
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 5: of those guys on the floor at all times. And

641
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 5: you know, at this point it's tough for him to

642
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: take them to take him up, because I mean, he

643
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 5: just he does so much of the creating, he does

644
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: so much of distributing he's the most comfortable shooter, of

645
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 5: the most comfortable score, the best rebounder. You know, he's

646
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 5: the guy who does everything. It's like, okay, well, when

647
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 5: you take him off the floor, you're necessarily dropping off

648
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 5: pretty dramatically, and you're asking Aaron D. Smith to do

649
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: a whole lot of stuff if he's never been asked

650
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: to do before. So I mean, I think it's just,

651
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 5: you know, like he knows that there's got to be

652
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 5: arrested in there someplace. But it's when things go are

653
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 5: going well, it's really hard to take him off the

654
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: floor because he's the answer. And if if you know,

655
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: basically when when Giannis was on the floor, they needed

656
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: to have him on the floor, you know basically that

657
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: they didn't there was nobody else that they could even

658
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: think of asking, hey, can you guard your honest for

659
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: five minutes? And also you know it and you know,

660
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 5: like Walker and Niemans has done that in the past.

661
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 5: But it's like okay, but you're you are also going

662
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 5: to have to bring the ball up and you're also

663
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: going to have to be the guy who's chasing shots.

664
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 5: So it's like Siakum was the only guy that could

665
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 5: really trust to do that, so they had to lean

666
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 5: on him. And it is going to change depending on

667
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: time and score and everything else. But you know, I

668
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: like starts are important. You don't want to let the

669
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 5: game get away early. But it's just hard to take

670
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: him off the floor when he's just doing everything. And then,

671
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 5: especially when more guys get hurt, you're even more of

672
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 5: a bind that you have to keep playing them.

673
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: Dustin how bad it than that suck?

674
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 5: Apparently pretty bad. And also the significant difference is and

675
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 5: I think the Pacers at least want to get up

676
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 5: off the canvas here and try to be in some

677
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 5: kind of position of where everybody comes back. They can

678
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 5: they can make a push to be a postseason team.

679
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,239
Speaker 5: Brooklyn is totally totally okay with the idea of not

680
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 5: doing anything. So you know, they're they're they're doing just

681
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 5: fine with you know, and seven. They're not upset about

682
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: this at all. They're getting beat by an average of

683
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: fifteen point seven per game. You know, it's like them

684
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 5: in New Orleans are getting be just as baut I

685
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: think they have the worst point deferential in the league. Yeah,

686
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 5: it's it's been pretty brutal. And again, they're not bothered

687
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 5: by that they need some players, and there are some

688
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: players available in this coming draft. So you know, they've

689
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: had a couple competitive games in there. They played the

690
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: Hawks within five when Trey Young got hurt, they played

691
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 5: the Cavs within seven. But other than that, it's been

692
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 5: double digit losses. And again they're okay with that. I

693
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: mean they're you know, Cam Thomas is going to go

694
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: chuck it and get twenty five to thirty every night,

695
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: and you know that kind of thing.

696
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: And the twenty five twenty guy letting this thing right

697
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: twenty five Dustin. I don't know if you know this

698
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: or not. And I haven't trademarked this yet. I did

699
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: trademark why not Indiana? But I need to trademark this.

700
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with and feel free to say no.

701
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I prefer it because then

702
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: I can again elaborate on it. Are you familiar with

703
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: the Jake Querry twenty twenty five guy?

704
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 5: I presume that means twenty shots twenty five point or

705
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 5: one way or the other.

706
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: You know, a common assumption. And when I say this,

707
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: now here's the thing, and I have this impact on people, Okay,

708
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm an acquired taste. But oftentimes Dustin, I'm

709
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: the taste that later you say to yourself, you know,

710
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: I kind of liked that, and then before you know what,

711
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: you're like, I've bought it every day. The twenty twenty

712
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: five guy. And this will hit you about seven o'clock

713
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: to night. You'll be sitting there on press row and

714
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: you'll look at somebody else and you'll say, you know,

715
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty five guy is brilliant. Twenty twenty five

716
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: guy is a guy that is destined to score twenty

717
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: a game on a twenty five win team his entire career.

718
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't need until tonight's Yes,

719
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 5: that's one hundred percent right now.

720
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: I have an unfortunate feeling because I like him and

721
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: I think he's a talented guy. But I do think

722
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: that there is the possibility that Ben Maden is going

723
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: to play himself into situation where after this year he

724
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: becomes a twenty twenty five guy somewhere.

725
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 5: It's possible that's that that is I don't know if

726
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: it's the worst case scenario, but that is a possibility.

727
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: But we'll see. I mean, he was playing terrific basketball.

728
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: No, I know, and the only thing and again I

729
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: mean this is no knock on him, the Pacers, anything else.

730
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: It's just the fact that if he continues to play

731
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: like he was playing at the beginning of the year.

732
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: He's a fabulous talent, there's no doubt about it, and

733
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: seemingly a good guy and a likable guy, all those things.

734
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: I just think from a salary standpoint, he may be

735
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: the one that kind of gets squeezed out based on

736
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: timelines of how the Pacers have to figure that out

737
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: moving forward.

738
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: That's neither here nor there. That's down the road.

739
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to get to before we

740
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: let you go, because you mentioned brook Lean and the

741
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: nets with you, the possibility of, you know, wanting to

742
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: get a good pick this year. No one anticipated that

743
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: Indiana's season would get off to the start that it

744
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: has based on attrition. But one of the real silent

745
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: cups that I think we didn't talk enough about Dustin.

746
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: How big a shrewd move is it now that the

747
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: Pacers were to go in and make an off the

748
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: radar trade to recoup their first round pick in this

749
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: year's draft.

750
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that was that was a great move.

751
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 5: It was a tremendous. It was a tremendous move on

752
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 5: a lot of levels. I mean, just I'm I'm surprised

753
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 5: and Worlands did it in retess. I mean, I guess

754
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 5: at the time, and I think they'd done it like

755
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: a week before the Haliburton injury.

756
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, at the time, they're thinking, Okay, it's

757
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 2: a twenty eighth pick, right.

758
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: Right exactly. I mean, really, the thing was they had

759
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: to move this one, you know, because they moved this

760
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 5: year's first round pick, and you know, or the twenty

761
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 5: twenty five first round pick, becausey knew that was going

762
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 5: to be at the bottom and it was an easy

763
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: one to move, and so they were just like, oh, yeah,

764
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 5: we've got to move on from this. And you know,

765
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: like I mean, I'm sure that I certainly had no

766
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 5: idea who they were going to draft at that point.

767
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 5: I was like, who do you even It's like, there's

768
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: a good chance to whoever you take is just stuck,

769
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: you know, it just has no chance of getting any

770
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 5: opportunity here. And you know, they had to end up

771
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 5: having a trade back in to get Cam Jones because

772
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 5: of the injury. But yeah, it ends up being a

773
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: real I mean Obviously some of it's luck. You never

774
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 5: think in a million years that that's gonna happen that

775
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 5: they did make the move before before the finals ended,

776
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: before Haliburton got hurt. But yeah, it looks genius in retrospect,

777
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 5: and it looks great in retrospect because I mean, you

778
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: don't know how high they're gonna pick, but you have

779
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 5: a pretty good sense it's not gonna be twenty eight.

780
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 5: You know it's not gonna be twenty sixth. You know,

781
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 5: it's definitely even if they do a great job of

782
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 5: coming back and you know, like get into the play

783
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 5: in or something like that, you're still looking at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

784
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 5: you know, somewhere in that range, you know, fifteen to eighteen,

785
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: somewhere in that range, and it could be top five,

786
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 5: and it could be top ten, It could be top

787
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 5: three if the lottery balls go your way and they

788
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 5: don't make it in. So yeah, it looks it's a

789
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 5: terrific looking move At this point, I mean, it just

790
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 5: just seems like like someone had an intuition or something.

791
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Do they need to start And I know it's early,

792
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: but if things continue at this rate, this level, and

793
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: these minutes logged do they need to start taking a

794
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: look at scaling back in rotationally, getting Pascal Siakam more

795
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: time to catch his breath, so to speak.

796
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: I mean they do.

797
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: It's been a it's it's been a it's been a

798
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 5: tough deal, you know, for them to make to decide

799
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 5: on this stuff and then figure out what to do

800
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 5: and how to balance everything. You know, I don't think

801
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 5: you get to the point these guys are too proud

802
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 5: right now because they're still not far removed from an

803
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 5: NBA finals, you know, the guys that have been a

804
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 5: part of this, and even like like Jeris Walker but

805
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: like definitely Siakam and Nies Smith are not ready to

806
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 5: be like, oh, you know, I'm okay with playing twenty

807
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 5: eight minutes in a game and you know, be plus

808
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: twelve when I'm on the floor and end up losing

809
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 5: by fifteen. You know, like, I don't think Sam's not

810
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: ready for that. You know, is not ready for that.

811
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 5: You know, Jeris Walker's not ready for that. Shepherd's not

812
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 5: ready for that. Any of the guys that are available

813
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 5: aren't ready to pack it in like that. And it'll

814
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: be a bad scene in the locker room if it happens.

815
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 5: But you know he does. They do have to be

816
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: smart with him just trying to get and by and

817
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 5: you know Carlile.

818
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: Is aware of that.

819
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 5: But there are ways away from you know, pack it

820
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 5: in circumstance. But you know, for now, for a while,

821
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 5: they're going to try to keep seeding Sea Oftome as

822
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 5: much as they can and try to get some of

823
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 5: these wins, just to keep themselves in some kind of

824
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: striking distance Fromen everybody else comes back.

825
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Dustin appreciate the time.

826
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: As always, we'll be looking at the coverage Pacers tonight,

827
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: trying to make sure that the Nets remain winless game

828
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: at Gambridge Field House, Eddie, you get underway at what

829
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: time tonight? Six thirty six thirty for the radio broadcast.

830
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: Dustin appreciate it absolutely. Thanks for having me us joining

831
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: us on the Indianapolis Star Java House. Heal im poor

832
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: guest line from the start it is Dustin dokire ak.

833
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: Eddie.

834
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: Did you watch much last night of number one Purdue

835
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: and Evansville.

836
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 4: I watched a little bit of it before the College

837
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: Football Playoff pairing or pairing show, seating show, seating show,

838
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: ranking show, whatever we're calling it.

839
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: The College Football Playoff unveiling. How's that?

840
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: There?

841
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: We go?

842
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I still don't understand the whole non conference aspect

843
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: of this or whatever.

844
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember the year?

845
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: Like?

846
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Why how is Memphis involved in this?

847
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: Isn't it the highest seated non power five gets invited

848
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: to the party type thing?

849
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: I see post?

850
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Do you remember the year? And I can't remember which

851
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: year it was that on Selection Sunday they decided to

852
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: do a different format in terms of the unveiling of teams.

853
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: And they did this long drawn out like an hour

854
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: and a half, it might have been two hours special

855
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: and literally people were flipping over cars on the street.

856
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: Are you talking like back in your day or no?

857
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: This was six or eight years ago maybe, And then

858
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: they realized it was a colossal mistake, and so they

859
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: went back to just doing it the regular way of

860
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: the late great Greg Gumbele, who was synonymous with Selection Sunday,

861
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: just unveiling the teams and getting right to it. And

862
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: last night felt that way with the college football unveil,

863
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: just like, just get to it, man, You know, I

864
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: don't need the historical aspect history of Oklahoma football.

865
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: Let's just get on with it here.

866
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: But joining us now, who probably feels exactly that way

867
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: while waiting for me to get to him. Mike Nyasaik

868
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: from the Bloomington Herald Times is the Indiana beat writer

869
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Indiana and Action tonight in basketball taking on Alabama A

870
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: and M football. Of course, they now know they are

871
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: the number two seed. Mike, do you remember which year

872
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: it was or does that even ring a bell of

873
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about with the drawn out selection Sunday show.

874
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 6: I don't remember which year, but I think they came

875
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 6: out and apologized the next day and so they would

876
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 6: never do it that way again.

877
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: So I didn't dream this up right, This didn't hep

878
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: Oh No, I remember that.

879
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, it was not well received and they said

880
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 6: like the next day was like we aired and we

881
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 6: will not be doing that again.

882
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: That's right, that's correct.

883
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Mike, I will let you take your

884
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: pick here football, basketball?

885
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: You'd like to start with? Which dealers?

886
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 6: Trie man? I mean, it's all the all happening, right,

887
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 6: I'll be in going from the basketball game to night,

888
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 6: to Penn State on Saturday, then back to Chicago at

889
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: the United Center for more basketball on Sundays. It's a wild.

890
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: Time, okay.

891
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: So we'll begin with basketball, we'll go chronologically. I'm actually

892
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: gonna be there tonight, Mike. I'm gonna seek you out

893
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: to come up and say hi, and I will give

894
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: you five bucks when I'm walking up to you if

895
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: you actually recognize me upon walking up right, because I

896
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: don't believe we've met in person.

897
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: But we will listen.

898
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: I know that obviously from Alabama A and M's standpoint,

899
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: you know, we see this with games where teams come up,

900
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: they take a huge pay check from an athletic department.

901
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: It helps out Alabama A and M.

902
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: And from Indiana's standpoint, it gives perhaps Darren Derees an

903
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: opportunity to try out different combinations, et cetera. We will

904
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: expect to see Indiana trying to play in what style

905
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: that he wants to get us used to tonight.

906
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I think it's certainly, you know, you push

907
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 6: the pace not necessarily means transition, but I think shots

908
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 6: early in the shot clock, you know, heavy volume of

909
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: three point shooting. I think the kind of key and

910
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 6: it goes back to even how the women's team wants

911
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 6: to play. You know what, these these coaches, Terry and

912
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 6: Darren both kind of stresses a defensive identity is that

913
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 6: no matter how what happens on offense, and whether if

914
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 6: the shots are falling or not, is that they want

915
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 6: to see focused, They want to see effort. And I

916
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 6: think that'll be important for this team, this men's team,

917
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 6: especially since you know there's gonna be nights whether the

918
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 6: shots are not falling. I think this team is a

919
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 6: talented group of three point shooters like up and down

920
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: the roster, but the Knights that those aren't falling, what

921
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: do you do? How do you win games? That's defense?

922
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 6: And so I think and they're gonna need to pull

923
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 6: out some fifty to fifty games to sort of make

924
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 6: the tournament. And so I think that's what you kind

925
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 6: of look for in these games against these lesser opponents,

926
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 6: to be able to hold them down, to able to

927
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 6: build that identity, and to be able to point to

928
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 6: that when you kind of get in the big ten play,

929
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 6: this is the blueprint, This is how we need to play,

930
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 6: whether the shots are falling or not. I think the

931
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 6: offense is going to be kind of I think you're

932
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 6: going to see, you know, except what we saw a

933
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 6: kind of against Baylor. We saw those exhibition games with

934
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 6: the reporters that went to put Rico saw, you know,

935
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 6: high volume three point shooting, up tempo. But I think

936
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 6: that what it's going to come down to for this

937
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: Indiana team is that defensive identity.

938
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: Mike Nisilick is our guest from the Bloomington Herald Times.

939
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: He is on the Java House Peel and poor guest

940
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: Line used the code one oh seven to five to

941
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: the fan or either my first or last name at

942
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: Java House to go to the fan bundle. Mike the

943
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: offense for Indiana, and I know and I've heard that,

944
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, I mean they're going to want to move

945
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 2: the ball around and get quick into the shot clock

946
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: with a three point shot. Does that mean that they

947
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: are in preference of having five three point shooters on

948
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: the floor at any time or is it rather an

949
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: offense that simply facilitates to the two to three shooters

950
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: they have on the floor.

951
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's four at a minimum basically. And

952
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 6: Reed Bailey's got some range, but he's a guy that

953
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 6: moves really well, and I think the strength of his

954
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 6: game is sort of his asking ability to make cuts

955
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: and off and on the offensive side. Basically, he's not

956
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 6: gonna be like a necessarily a defensive kind of rim

957
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 6: protector stopper. That's kind of gonna be probably Sam Allexis's job,

958
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 6: but it's four guys basically that all can shoot, you know,

959
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 6: at any given time off the bench, you're gonna have shooters,

960
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 6: you know. Nick Dorn he talked about kind of being in,

961
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 6: you know, coming back from this injury as a guy

962
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 6: that they've seen in practice sort of you know, hit

963
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: four in a row and be kind of that instant

964
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 6: offense off the bench transistently has ranged. I think we

965
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 6: saw that in the exhibition where he's shooting threes from

966
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 6: the corner. So like anywhere you go on the roster,

967
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 6: you look at it and even Sam al Lexis is

968
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 6: not gonna be afraid to put up a three point shot.

969
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 6: You know, maybe not gonna go in every time, but

970
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 6: look they've got guys that have touch and and basically

971
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 6: I asked him at Big Ten Media Days, or I

972
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 6: think it was maybe Lamar Wilkers. It's like everybody's got

973
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 6: a green light in this offense, Like there's no no

974
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 6: bad shot. Maybe there's a bad shot, but the idea

975
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 6: is not to give anybody a hard time for trying

976
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 6: to take what the coaching staff says is a good

977
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 6: shot and so I think you're gonna see that manifest

978
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 6: itself in a lot of attempts, a lot of you know,

979
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 6: any open look that this team's gonna take. You know,

980
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 6: this is not a Mike Woodson team where those numbers

981
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 6: were just really really down at the bottom of the NCAAA.

982
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 6: This is a team that's gonna shoot. They've got shooters,

983
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 6: and it's not just the frontline group that the bench

984
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 6: is gonna They're gonna, you know, bring guys off the

985
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 6: bench that can shoot as well. So I think you're

986
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 6: gonna see, you know, it's it's gonna be a constant

987
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 6: for this team.

988
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: How will they be defensively, you know, in terms of

989
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: I've heard that at least early on from people that

990
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: have watched them practice that they are very defensively intense.

991
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: Is that a fair statement?

992
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you see the shape of it, right,

993
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 6: and that, like that goes back to what I was

994
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 6: saying earlier, but that if this team is going to

995
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 6: be successful, it's going to be them doing the little things.

996
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: You know.

997
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: I think in the exhibition in Tucker Devri's made, you know,

998
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 6: the biggest years he got was two steals at mid

999
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 6: court and they were just like just straight hustle plays. Right,

1000
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 6: those are the plays they're gonna need because they do

1001
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 6: have some deficiencies just based on how the roster is constructed.

1002
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 6: They don't have much size. I talked about Reed Bailey

1003
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 6: great on the offensive end, but he's you know, defensive liability,

1004
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: especially against the bigger roster, and so like when they

1005
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 6: go up against that's not going to hurt them tonight,

1006
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 6: and it's probably not going to hurt them through much

1007
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 6: of the non conference, but like when they get to

1008
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 6: the Big ten schedule, there's going to be teams that

1009
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 6: that can beat up on Indiana in the low post

1010
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 6: that can they will be able to, you know, get

1011
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 6: some easy baskets. And so what's the answer. You got

1012
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 6: to be good on the perimeter, You got to make

1013
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 6: those hustle plays. You got to you know, get in

1014
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 6: passing lanes and do things like that. So that's where

1015
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 6: I think this team can be successful. And that's what

1016
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 6: you're talking about in terms of that day, in terms

1017
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 6: of communications, in terms of togetherness, that's what this team

1018
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 6: needs to show sort of on a nightly basis to

1019
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 6: sort of counter some of the limitations because look, when

1020
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 6: you build a roster, you know, completely new roster, you

1021
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 6: can't get everything right. There are going to be some

1022
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 6: you know, shortcomings, and one of their shortcomings I think

1023
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 6: is defensively and size and so, and they'll kind of

1024
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 6: work together, Mike.

1025
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 4: On Monday night, Don Fisher did his first coaches show

1026
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: of the year with Darren Devrees and Connor Enwright was

1027
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: on the show and I heard Don asked him a

1028
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: question about just how they're trying to get, you know,

1029
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: acclimated with one another coaster dealing with injuries. What injuries

1030
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: are the Hoosiers dealing with right now?

1031
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, So they've got four guys that we're out kind

1032
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 6: of throughout the preseason. Nick Dorn is expected to be

1033
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: back tonight. He got a good, you know clear I

1034
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 6: think from the doctors. He was kind of working his

1035
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 6: way back and we as we kind of saw throughout

1036
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 6: the preseason making progress. Jason Drake Ristic, the one of

1037
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: the international kids they signed, is going to be out,

1038
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 6: and then Josh Harris is going to be out. Those

1039
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: guys probably out to sometime in December is kind of

1040
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 6: what the timeline. Darren Debreza said, So very limited number wise.

1041
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 6: You know you saw in the expression against Baylor they

1042
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 6: played only really seven guys. Josi Miles only played one minute.

1043
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 6: He's a he's a bit kind of their deeper bench guy.

1044
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 6: So you get dorn Back, you're probably looking at an

1045
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 6: eight man rotation at most, and and so they're gonna

1046
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 6: have to do some things to balance min It's because

1047
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 6: you know, you got the Marquete game, you got Louisville

1048
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 6: and Kentucky. You wont guy's fresh. You can't just burn

1049
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 6: through guys, and that's gonna be tough to try to

1050
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 6: balance with only an eight man rotation for the first

1051
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 6: month of new season.

1052
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: So Mike, you're going from Now I'm curious of this, okay,

1053
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm not going to be like

1054
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: stalking here. But so you go to the game tonight, right,

1055
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: and then you've got to get to State College. Now,

1056
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this or not, but

1057
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: State College is actually about ten miles east of Katman

1058
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: Do So it's not the easiest place to get to

1059
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: for Penn State. So you've got are you driving there?

1060
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: Are you flying there?

1061
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: No?

1062
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: So yes, Penn State's one of the more miserable places

1063
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 6: to get to in Big Ten because the hotel availability

1064
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 6: is not great, and by not great, I mean non existent.

1065
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 6: I'll be staying in Pittsburgh and driving's just a you know,

1066
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 6: renting car and driving back and forth to the game

1067
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 6: and back. And then I will be flying out of

1068
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh to Chicago day early Sunday morning to get to

1069
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 6: the United Center for the basketball game, and then driving

1070
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 6: back with a friend of the program, Zach Austerman. I'm

1071
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 6: hitching your ride with.

1072
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: Him, okay now, And by the way, I don't do

1073
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: you remember George Montgomery? Were you, like, was George Montgomery

1074
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: around when when you pick yes, yeah, George, usually look

1075
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: for him. He'll be hitchhiking because you'll see George. Also,

1076
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Zach used to probably give him rides as well. We

1077
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: love George. Okay, football side of things, that game at

1078
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: Pennon State, it was a almost a circle on your

1079
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: calendar game six weeks ago and hard to believe now,

1080
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: but that game with penn State is like, okay, just

1081
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: don't stub your toe here, right, Is this a dangerous

1082
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: game for Kurt Signetti's group?

1083
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 6: Well, I mean historically speaking, it should be, right. They've

1084
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 6: never won there so I mean it's hard to overlook

1085
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 6: that that fact. I mean, then they're twenty five and two.

1086
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 6: I just do that. I had it up against Penn

1087
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 6: State all time. So but I mean, none of these

1088
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 6: players are really involved in that history. I mean a

1089
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 6: handful of them were here two years ago when they

1090
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: lost at Penn State eight. But you know, those things

1091
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 6: don't mean as much. And this team is the team

1092
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 6: that's won on the road at Kenneck Stadium, pulled out

1093
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 6: a last minute win there and ended at eighteen, gave

1094
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 6: wind streak at Autsen and so I would say that

1095
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 6: it should be easier, especially you know, to me when

1096
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 6: you have a red shirt freshman at quarterback for Penn State,

1097
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 6: now that Drew Aller's out, a guy that's only made

1098
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 6: two career starts, and those are the only games he's played,

1099
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 6: significant steps snaps in. It's just at a disadvantage. I

1100
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 6: can't see them getting past against the Brian Haynes defense.

1101
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 6: He throws too much at these guys. You saw it

1102
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 6: last week against Maryland where they were not very close

1103
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 6: outside of a scripted drive out of halftime. That quarterback

1104
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 6: was out of his depth. And that sort of happens

1105
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 6: when you're facing Brian Haynes, whose he's throwing all these

1106
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 6: stunts that you at the front. He's throwing all these

1107
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: simulated pressures. You don't know where where guys are coming from,

1108
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 6: you don't know who's dropping back and coverage, and I

1109
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 6: mean the numbers this kid. You know, this kid might

1110
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 6: have a bright future Ethan Grunkmeyer, but in terms of

1111
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 6: what the experience level he has, it's just it's not

1112
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 6: gonna be pretty. I don't think for Penn State, even

1113
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 6: though I won't necessarily be a blog because look, they've

1114
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 6: got talents on both sides of the ball, and you've

1115
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 6: seen them kind of hang in these games here the

1116
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 6: last you know, three or four weeks, even after the

1117
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 6: coaching change. But Indiana specifically, that defense I think is

1118
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 6: just going to thrive against the quarterback that doesn't have experience,

1119
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: and this offense, nothing has really slowed them down yet.

1120
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: You know, when I look at Kurt Signetti and this

1121
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: group of Indiana players, it seems to me, now I'm

1122
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: gonna speak regular season, I can't speak for the stage

1123
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: for example of going into you know, I thought when

1124
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: they went into South Bend in the playoff a year ago,

1125
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: they were outclassed. I mean, I thought Notre Dame was

1126
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: clearly a better team than Indiana. That's not a knock

1127
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: on Indiana. Notre Dame was really good, but in the

1128
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: regular season it almost feels like Indiana is incapable of

1129
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: the trap game because for whatever, Kurt Signetti to me

1130
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: from a coaching standpoint, seems to have this like lock

1131
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: in focus where it just is not possible for guys

1132
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: to slip on focus. Am I giving him too much

1133
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: credit in that regard of his coaching acumen?

1134
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 6: No, I think that's kind of been actually defined kind

1135
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 6: of his success. They don't lose against teams that they're

1136
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 6: better than, right, and that's usually the hall mark, you know,

1137
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 6: Like you want to talk about how you get to

1138
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 6: Ohio state level, that's where it is, right, you blow

1139
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 6: the teams that you're better than, you don't stumble and

1140
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 6: so like. And that's what Kurtzigeti has done this two years.

1141
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 6: That's what he's done in the past at James Madison.

1142
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 6: His teams don't lose focus. His teams keep on the

1143
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 6: task at hand, and you know, they've just run up

1144
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 6: the scores, you mean, in recent weeks even when they

1145
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 6: necessarily haven't. You know, one game against Michigan State didn't

1146
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 6: play their best defensively, next week offensively, they had some

1147
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 6: issues kind of at the start, but they still dominate

1148
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 6: these teams. And so I think it's exactly your point, right,

1149
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 6: He's got whatever he's figured out behind the scenes to

1150
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 6: keep his team's focus. That's been kind of one of

1151
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 6: the definitions of his success.

1152
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1153
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 6: The only thing out scree that Notre Dame game. They

1154
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 6: looked shook early but settled down. I would have been

1155
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 6: curious to see if that game would have been played

1156
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 6: on like a neutral field, what it would have looked like.

1157
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 6: I think would have been closer. I don't necessarily think

1158
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 6: that Notre Dame had a ton more talent in Indiana,

1159
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 6: but they were more ready for that environment.

1160
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the impression. And look, you know, I'm

1161
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: the I'm the growing up certainly. I mean, I've made

1162
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: no bones about it. I'm the last guy to give

1163
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 2: Notre Dame their flowers, right. But that said, I felt

1164
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: like in that game things kind of evened out once

1165
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Just my perspective that Notre Dame kind of

1166
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: let off the accelerator a little bit. And could have

1167
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: won that game more handily than they did. Maybe maybe

1168
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm giving Indiana not enough credit there, but that's that's

1169
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: how it felt to me. But nonetheless, you know, now

1170
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: when I look at it, Mike, Indiana's going to get

1171
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: the chance again to show what they can do in

1172
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff. I think that's nearly a certainty

1173
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: at this point, unless the wheels completely come off. Do

1174
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: you think academic I realize, but do you think they

1175
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: should have been the number one team?

1176
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 6: I think they had a good argument because and I

1177
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 6: wrote about this, I did a mock CFP exercise. I

1178
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 6: traveled out to Texas in September and and and they

1179
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 6: do these every year for a group of journalists to

1180
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 6: kind of uh educate them about the process and the rules,

1181
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 6: and so basically, like I think Ohio State's best argument

1182
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 6: in like the national polls and AP and the and

1183
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 6: the and the coaches poll is the equity that they've

1184
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 6: bought brought right because that you know, they were the

1185
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 6: defending champions, brought back a lo out of their talent

1186
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 6: that they that that does mean something, But that's not

1187
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 6: something that means something at the CFP meetings, like they

1188
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: are supposed to judge these teams on this year and

1189
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 6: this year loan this resume, this group of players, like

1190
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 6: nothing in the past matters really And so when you

1191
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 6: kind of look at it that when you start to clay,

1192
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 6: when you have a clean slate like that, and you're

1193
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 6: stacking up Indiana and they have specific metrics that they

1194
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 6: you know, proprietary stuff with strength and schedule that you know,

1195
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 6: we don't have access to. So I'm not sure what

1196
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 6: Indiana's numbers were versus Ohio State, but I can tell

1197
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 6: you like that they kind of defined have like twelve

1198
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 6: metrics for measuring success like offensive and defensive things that

1199
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 6: correlate to championships. And there's no way that Indiana like

1200
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 6: last year because we got them from last year, Indiana

1201
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 6: was in the top ten I think for all but

1202
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 6: two of them, and in the top five and all

1203
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 6: in all in half of them. That's probably the case

1204
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 6: this year, Like they will be a metrics darling in

1205
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 6: terms of like what their numbers, how big they're beating teams.

1206
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 6: And then they've answered kind of the problems with last

1207
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 6: year's resume in terms of the strength of schedule. So

1208
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 6: I think it would hold up against Ohio State. But

1209
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 6: and so I think there was probably a healthy debate

1210
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 6: about it, and I don't I don't have any problem

1211
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 6: with the committee ranking Ohio State over them because I

1212
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 6: think we'll all get played out in the fields since

1213
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 6: these two teams will play each other in the Big

1214
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 6: Ten title game most likely, like you said, barring some

1215
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 6: some some either team getting tripped up. So I think

1216
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 6: the ranking, the rankings right now don't bother me, because,

1217
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 6: like I said, you see that showdown coming. But having

1218
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 6: said that, I think Indiana has as good as a

1219
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 6: case as Ohio State to be the number one team.

1220
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 6: I'm guessing that there was a healthy debate.

1221
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: In the room.

1222
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: Let's say Indiana again. I mean, it's kind of a

1223
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: moot point for everything you just spelled out there, But

1224
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 2: let's just say Indiana beats Penn State this weekend forty

1225
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: five to three.

1226
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: Right. Does that change things? Do they then vault Ohio State?

1227
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 6: I mean it could be because like they and they

1228
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 6: also re rank every week, right, they start fresh essentially,

1229
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 6: and you know, basically the first grouping of teams, they

1230
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 6: take this top six, they create a pool of thirty,

1231
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 6: then they take the top six from that and debate

1232
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 6: the top and get to the top four. And so

1233
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 6: they're debating that top four every week, and so's those

1234
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 6: numbers change as those things happen. If Ohio State stumbles

1235
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 6: and you know, or if or in the last week

1236
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 6: of the season, if Indiana makes Purdue forfeit and you

1237
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 6: know a lot of stage stumbles against Michigan, does that

1238
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 6: change things, right, because that was one of the harder

1239
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 6: teams Ohio State's can to face. And so those are

1240
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 6: things that you kind of go each week. I think

1241
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 6: you will see it and Indiana can make a stronger case. Ultimately,

1242
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 6: like I said, it doesn't really matter since these teams

1243
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 6: are probably going to face each other, right, so like

1244
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 6: it's all academic, like whether Indiana jumps them for a

1245
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 6: minute but then losing the Big Ten title game, it

1246
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 6: doesn't matter. And I think having maybe maybe there's some

1247
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 6: edge in that right that they're the number two and

1248
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 6: I got to go topple number one and give them

1249
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 6: some added motivation. You know how teams like that love

1250
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 6: that stuff. I don't know, but like I very want

1251
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 6: to much get to the one versus two in the

1252
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 6: Big Ten title game because that's where you know, that's

1253
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 6: it right, That's what we'll decide it.

1254
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: Okay, health standpoint for Indiana obviously, Elijah Surat is the

1255
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: big story that we're watching. Where does Indiana stand as

1256
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: you understand it going into this game with Penn State.

1257
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 6: So Drew Evans and starting left guard will be out

1258
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 6: and he's been it will be out for a couple

1259
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 6: of weeks, as Kurtz and Days kind of said after

1260
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 6: the game, hasn't specified what the injury is. Remember he

1261
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 6: had then achilles issue last year, came back and really

1262
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 6: kind of threw an accelerated rehab and started all the

1263
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 6: you know what first eight games. I think it was

1264
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: Surratt's an interesting case. It had to have kind of

1265
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 6: a hamstring thing pop up in the game, but Signety

1266
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 6: said he had been dealing with something else previously the

1267
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 6: previous two weeks unrelated to that. So you kind of wonder,

1268
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 6: you know, are they more careful with him to try

1269
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 6: to get him fully healthy here going down the stretch.

1270
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 6: And then obviously Aiden Fisher they were optimistic throughout the

1271
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 6: week and then that kind of faded as the game

1272
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 6: got closer. And another guy you sort of think now

1273
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 6: with two weeks under his belt, is he back, you know,

1274
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 6: and there's the question of and the reporter Zach actually

1275
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 6: asked Kurtzydenny this about kind of balancing the idea. Look,

1276
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 6: you're not looking ahead, but your season's probably not over

1277
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 6: after the regular season, right, you have other things. How

1278
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: do you balance that? Kurtz Agnetty kind of played coy.

1279
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 6: He's like, I know what you're asking, but I'm not

1280
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 6: going to really answer it. So it's like, you know,

1281
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 6: there is that balance, right. You don't want to push

1282
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 6: guys back. You do have a bye week coming up

1283
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 6: after Wisconsin that'll be important to kind of get guys back.

1284
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 6: Don't think you want to rush anybody. And you've seen

1285
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 6: Charlie Becker kind of step up. You've seen Isaiah Jones

1286
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 6: step up the linebacker. Their tails are enough to get

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