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Speaker 1: Lie from the heart Blind and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: Things have gotten so desperate for the Democratic Party that

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Speaker 2: they are now turning.

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Speaker 3: To bedow a rourk for help. Nazis. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how that applied. I wasn't talking about

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Speaker 3: Adam Kinsinger.

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Speaker 2: I better, but he's not a Nazi.

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Speaker 3: You can't just call people you don't like a Nazi.

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Speaker 2: Although Kinsinger, did you see the tweet from the former

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Speaker 2: congressman from Illinois, alleged Republican who was happy to sit

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Speaker 2: on the j sixth Committee nonsense? And he put out

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Speaker 2: a tweet Trump won't say Epstein.

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Speaker 3: And like he.

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Speaker 2: Like nine thousand times, he writes, hell, here it is here,

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Speaker 2: it is hold and sec Let's see if I can

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Speaker 2: see if I can get that for you. It's it's

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Speaker 2: it's surreal, it's it's ridiculous. Crazy this. You want to

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Speaker 2: tell me that this guy is totally fine, Let me

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Speaker 2: ask does this look totally fine to you? Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: was friends with Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.

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Speaker 2: And it goes on and on and then in the

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Speaker 2: middle says Trump lied. Good, Yeah, totally normal thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Totally normal thing to do. Why you ask these people

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Speaker 2: are broken? But it is one heck of a thing

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Speaker 2: when you are so desperate that you turn to Beto

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Speaker 2: O'Rourke to be your spokesperson. Yeah, it's something Beto O'Rourke

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Speaker 2: is in favor of telling Republicans, we don't care if

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Speaker 2: you engage in redistricting or not.

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Speaker 3: We are simply going to do this anyway.

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Speaker 2: The thing that we said you are anti American for doing,

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Speaker 2: we're going to do.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know where I'm supposed to cut this off there,

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Speaker 2: producer land, But in case I miss it, finger on

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Speaker 2: the dumb button because Betto O'Rourke is a potty mouth. Now,

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Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying, Tony,

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Speaker 2: I follow the politics. Could you explain to me really quickly,

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Speaker 2: who in.

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Speaker 3: The world Better wi' ork is? Oh? Sure, absolutely. Maybe

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Speaker 3: you don't know who he is here. Let me help

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Speaker 3: try explain this the best I can Better. Will Roark

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Speaker 3: is a loser. Yeah, that was it. There was nothing

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Speaker 3: else to say. I explained him.

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Speaker 2: You asked, I told you Better O'Rourke is a loser,

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Speaker 2: loses the house seats, loses, sendence, former congressman loses. He

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Speaker 2: run for governor, loses that too. We've got to run

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Speaker 2: for president. Doesn't go anywhere. There is nothing about Betto

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Speaker 2: o rourke that is authentic or intellectual or valuable. But

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Speaker 2: the left has no way of moving a message, and

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Speaker 2: some of the better messengers are holding off. Why would

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Speaker 2: they be somebody messaging now when they can go about

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Speaker 2: messaging when they run for president. Betoo Rourke wants to

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Speaker 2: see if he could still be a somebody and still

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Speaker 2: raise money, although he seems to have cash and is

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Speaker 2: giving it to example, to these Democrats from Texas who

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Speaker 2: are hold up in Illinois pretending they're doing some good

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Speaker 2: and stopping redistricting from happen happening, they're not.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 2: They don't believe in democracy at all. They are willing

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Speaker 2: to thwart it for power. Redistricting is a political process.

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Speaker 2: You have to go vote on it. You don't get

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Speaker 2: to run away like a little coward, which is exactly

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Speaker 2: what they've done. But here's Betto O'Rourke talking about redistricting.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to let him stop us? Are you

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Speaker 3: with me on that? I'm gonna.

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Speaker 4: It also means, as Mark was saying earlier, we don't

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Speaker 4: await the punch thrown by these would be fascist to land.

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Speaker 4: We punch first, and we punch harder. We want California,

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Speaker 4: in New Jersey and Illinois and Maryland and every other

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Speaker 4: state where the Democrats hold the governor's mansion, the Assembly,

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Speaker 4: and the state Senate to redraw their congressional districts. Now,

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Speaker 4: not wait for Texas to move first to maximize Democratic

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Speaker 4: party advantage. Listen, you may say to yourself, well, those

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Speaker 4: aren't the rules.

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Speaker 2: And then he follows up by saying, well, blank the rules. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: betto if that's what you want, that's what you get.

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Speaker 2: I was told that violating the rules was on a American,

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Speaker 2: But you have now.

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Speaker 3: Told us to blank the rules. Okay.

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Speaker 2: When you blank the rules, it's saving democracy. When Republicans

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Speaker 2: blank the rules, it is the end of democracy.

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Speaker 3: How possibly does that work?

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Speaker 2: Well, it works when you have a media that's willing

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Speaker 2: to go along with that, that is thrilled to go

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Speaker 2: along with that. Did you see this headline? Did you

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Speaker 2: see this from Politico? Right here?

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Speaker 3: This is unbelievable. This was Politico.

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Speaker 2: Democrats try to separate their tactical use of redistricting from

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Speaker 3: What what does that even mean?

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Speaker 2: Democrats try to separate their tactical use of redistricting from

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Speaker 2: that of republicans. So when republicans, when Democrats do it,

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Speaker 2: it's smart and it's concise, and it's pure, and it's

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Speaker 2: wholesome and it's for the best good of everybody. When

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Speaker 2: Republicans do it, it's the end of civilization, and.

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Speaker 3: Your meme while is gonna die.

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Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember when Paul Ryan was throwing

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Speaker 3: A cliff, just pushing the whole wheelchair.

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Speaker 2: And then go and do himself some p ninety X

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Speaker 2: have himself a protein shake.

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Speaker 3: Lord only knows.

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Speaker 2: Listen to them, Listen to how they work and how

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Speaker 2: they operate, how they manipulate. When they do it, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: When you do it, it's a crime. In the same

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Speaker 2: way when you do it, everybody, look everybody, Look look

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Speaker 2: what they're doing. Look over there, they're doing that thing.

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Speaker 2: Look at what they're doing when they do it.

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Speaker 3: Why are you looking over here?

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Speaker 2: Why are you so obsessed with us? Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: what are you ridiculous? Always do the culture war with you? Honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's like teenage girl. Oh my god, I kept a

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Speaker 2: later look at me like that? Why always, man, it's

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Speaker 2: so weird. I'm just trying to work out of the gym,

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Speaker 2: worrying absolutely nothing. My god, I'm making a video myself.

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Speaker 3: Catch it. Just let me a long rude japers.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that's that's my that's my teenage girl impression.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's like, that's like I could go pro I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. That is that. That is my

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Speaker 3: ticket right there.

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Speaker 2: If I don't start doing voiceover work immediately, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know. I don't even know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: This is the kind of madness. They believe that when

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Speaker 2: they do it it's fine. They believe when you do

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Speaker 2: it it's a crime. And they're not shy about this.

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Speaker 2: They're not shy about the idea of making the statement

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Speaker 2: that facts be damned, they can somehow overcome.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you an example.

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Speaker 2: Pete Buddha Judge actually believes that he is going to

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Speaker 2: working over time to keep that from happening, desperate to

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Speaker 2: do so. You want to know the story on Pete Butotera, Judge.

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Speaker 2: Here's the story on Pete Butootera, Judge. The people over

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Speaker 2: there at the Daily Wire got it all together. Pete

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Speaker 2: Butter judge polls a literal zero with black voters. Eh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I pull at thirteen and a half percent.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome. I have no idea if that's true. But

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Speaker 3: we should put a poll out there.

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Speaker 2: We should put a poll out to see how I

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Speaker 2: I do better than bee Boodha judge, Can someone help

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Speaker 2: me do a pole? Seriously? Can someone help me do

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Speaker 2: a poll? By the way, Virginia crude with the reporting

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Speaker 2: that Virginia is great? Somebody who knows about polling? I

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Speaker 2: want to do a pole I'm known. Should we just

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Speaker 2: do it where I live? Or should we do it

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Speaker 2: in the cities where I'm I don't know what it

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Speaker 2: would cost. We'll pick some cities. How would I poll

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Speaker 2: with black voters in I live in the Indianapolis area?

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Speaker 2: How would I pull up black voters in Indianapolis? And

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Speaker 2: let's see if I pull better than be Boota judge?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh wait, a second. This is now happening, right,

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Speaker 2: I need.

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Speaker 3: Who does polling.

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Speaker 2: If I don't get text messages in the next five seconds,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be very disappointed in some people.

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Speaker 3: You know, this has to happen, Guys, I want to

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Speaker 3: see if I do better.

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Speaker 2: Good Gosh, this whole thing about Buddha, Judge, this is

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Speaker 2: all fantasy. And it started, of course, from the idea

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Speaker 3: Offer at all, nothing to offer.

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Speaker 2: The only thing he offered the Democratic Party was the

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, does this guy get you interested politically?

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Speaker 4: More than half of Senate Democrats just voted to oppose

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Speaker 4: the sale.

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Speaker 1: Of over half a billion dollars worth of US bombs

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Speaker 1: and guns to Israel.

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Speaker 3: Before anything, finger on the dumb button.

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Speaker 2: This is pod Save America there, John Favreau asking the question.

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Speaker 3: You have voted to oppose sending those weapons.

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Speaker 5: that that is not going to things that shock the conscience.

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Speaker 5: conscience so much of this is complicated.

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Speaker 3: But what's not.

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Speaker 5: Complicated is that if a child is starving because of

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Speaker 2: So we already know from having this conversation earlier that

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Speaker 2: The food is confiscated eighty seven percent by hamas we

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Speaker 2: know this is the case. What Pete butter, Judge doesn't

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Speaker 2: care if you sell, if he tells the truth.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't care if he.

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Speaker 2: Lies, as long as he can sell some idea of hey,

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Speaker 2: aren't I specially he's not special? And what in the

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Speaker 2: bloody world if I can ask, is with this?

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Speaker 3: Is with this more than beard?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Democrats just voted to try to get a close up.

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Speaker 3: The beard doesn't hide anything, doesn't make you look more manly.

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Speaker 3: I have a beard. You know why I have a beard?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to you guys want to know why

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Speaker 3: I have a beard. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: There are two reasons why why I have a beard.

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Speaker 2: The first is if I don't have a beard, admittedly

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Speaker 2: I look like a child. I have I I have

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Speaker 2: what what some people might call some chubbiness in my cheeks,

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Speaker 2: and I will look ridiculous, but I'll do it for you.

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Speaker 2: I'll shave just to show you what I look like

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Speaker 2: without a beard. The other reason I have a beard

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Speaker 2: my wife loves it. I'm sorry, did I have to

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Speaker 2: say anything more than that?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I have to say anything more than that.

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Speaker 3: My wife loves it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so therefore beard. Now somebody asks

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Speaker 2: him why he has a beard. I'm curious. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying he can't grow a beard, but the whole thing

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Speaker 2: And he's wearing the polo shirts. Look looks change. I

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Speaker 2: used to wear on air, even on air, a suit

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Speaker 2: In hour three. I actually recorded the presser which took

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Speaker 8: So, first of all, Dana, the president does have the

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Speaker 2: Who gets to decide what an emergency is if not

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Speaker 2: the President of the United States In this situation, this

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Speaker 2: De Aragua is an invasion by Venezuela into the United States.

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Speaker 2: Article four, Section four, the United States will protect the nation,

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Speaker 3: This is Enemies Act, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: This has all been accomplished and done because nobody else

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Speaker 2: That's what they're voted to do. As commander in chief.

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Speaker 2: And when we talk about congressional committees, you have control

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Speaker 3: What's going on with Ukraine and Russia. Major Mike Lyon's

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Speaker 2: So what can one expect in a peace deal between

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Speaker 3: But what possibly do you think would be the agreement?

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Speaker 2: Get Ukraine to accept the fact that they're gonna lose Land?

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Major Mikelines joins me right now, retired United States Army

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Speaker 2: wes appoint graduate military analysts up and down your cable

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Speaker 3: It's going to be great.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to the odds of Ukraine accepting a deal,

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Speaker 6: So the Russians still have a maximist, maximalist objective here.

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Speaker 6: They want basically to take over the Domebas region, the

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Speaker 6: They want those the Linky government out. They still have

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Speaker 6: No, it's clearly a land grab.

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Speaker 3: It has to.

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Speaker 6: I mean, how does Vladimir Putin claim any kind of

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Speaker 6: them not agreeing to anything unless they get this land grab,

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Speaker 6: I think they're going to be at loggerheads very quickly

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Speaker 2: Talking to Major Mike Lyons retired and I'd say it's

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Speaker 3: Trump wants just the fighting to stop.

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Speaker 2: And Trump, i would argue, makes no difference to him

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Speaker 2: if Danetskin la Hans because his Stunbus region is giving

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Speaker 2: Although there might be a hey, you're pushing too much here.

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Speaker 2: As Ukraine sees it, giving up land is a non starter.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to do that.

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Speaker 2: But that's the argument for a permanent peace keeping for US,

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Speaker 2: So what Ukraine's position seems to be is, hey, NATO

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Speaker 2: That seems to be the Vladimir's Lensky position, and.

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Speaker 6: I just don't see Russia though. There's not enough leverage

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Speaker 3: And I think that's Trump.

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Speaker 6: I think going into this, that's the initial art of

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Speaker 6: The shooting stop helps both sides, right, It helps Ukrainians

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Speaker 6: But when you go this, you keep going down a

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Speaker 3: Whole thing fits.

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Speaker 6: And we've talked about the redline for Russia has always

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Speaker 2: So the day in agreement, by the way, ended the

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Speaker 2: Major Mike Lyons, retired to United States Army military analysts.

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Speaker 2: and I would argue, must know, based on your commentary,

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Speaker 2: that there's no reason for Russia to stop if they

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Speaker 2: believe they can.

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Speaker 3: Just stay at it and stay at it, and stay at.

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Speaker 2: It and eventually kill enough Ukrainians to make them walk

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Speaker 2: away from this land get something. But that's saying that

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Speaker 2: NATO isn't interested in stopping them. Now that NATO has

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Speaker 2: moved from two percent GDP to five percent GDP, the

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Speaker 2: Secretary General Mark Root clearly understands Trump is one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent a Trump guy. Anything Trump wants, this is great,

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Speaker 2: This is wonderful because I think he sees it as

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Speaker 2: a better opportunity for NATO's future. Is NATO down with

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Speaker 2: sitting idly by and letting Russia kill enough Ukrainians, never

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Speaker 2: mind letting enough Russians die to get a couple thousand

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Speaker 2: acres or hectares of land and say, Okay, that's it,

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Speaker 2: because nobody's gonna believe that Russia is going to stop

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Speaker 2: from this. So first things first, NATO, okay, with the

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Speaker 2: idea of allowing this to continue, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Think it's a hard sell for that to happen no

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Speaker 6: matter what, because of the fact that Russia again doesn't stop,

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Speaker 6: I think Putin has to lock in some kind of gain,

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Speaker 6: and this has got to lock in.

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Speaker 3: The land there.

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Speaker 6: And you know, NATO, as Trump has pointed out, still

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Speaker 6: can NATO countries can still provide a lot more support

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Speaker 6: to Ukraine aside from what I'll call him miniterial support

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Speaker 6: at this point. But so you know, again you go

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Speaker 6: back to Trump, He's just looking to strike a deal.

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Speaker 6: To me, this instinctively looks to me very transactional and

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Speaker 6: this is what he does best. Look, he just got

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Speaker 6: the deal done last week with Armenia, and as a Brajan,

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Speaker 6: I mean he's ready to go on to the next

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Speaker 6: you know, I want to end the war here and

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Speaker 6: that's what he's looking to have a brand again. I

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Speaker 6: just think we're setting ourselves up for a great disappointment

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Speaker 6: because Putin knows that Putin knows he's got some kind

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Speaker 6: of leverage year and I think Putin still believes that

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Speaker 6: Trump thinks that he has to take that he needs

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Speaker 6: to move Ukraine off this thing about giving a bland

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Speaker 6: and they're not just going to do that.

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Speaker 3: So they're not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: And Zelenski has to believe he's got NATO support to

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Speaker 2: not do that, which but Trump at odds with NATO

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Speaker 2: in a way because Trump being transactional, right, the two

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Speaker 2: rules of trump Ism apply. The first rule of trump

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Speaker 2: Ism is Trump wins. The second rule of trump Ism

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Speaker 2: is that a deal can always be made as long

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Speaker 2: as it adheres to the first rule of trump Ism.

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Speaker 2: And the win is I stopped the war just like

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Speaker 2: I said.

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Speaker 3: I was going to do. But Trump is not a fool.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what left this media says he's walking

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Speaker 2: into a meeting knowing that it's not going to work out.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to be a very Trump like position.

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Speaker 2: So now play it to the other side. The meeting happened.

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin isn't interested in any deal. He isn't going

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Speaker 2: to agree to any deal. Even if he says he'd

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Speaker 2: agree to a deal, it's not going to happen. What

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Speaker 2: should trum Trump's move B If you're advising him.

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Speaker 6: Well, then if that's the case, then he has to

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Speaker 6: come full circle with support and send overload military equipment

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Speaker 6: into Ukraine. He has to be you know, force southern

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Speaker 6: nations to do the same thanks as you saw putting

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Speaker 6: sanctions on India what that did already, you know, try

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Speaker 6: to ratchet up his economic power. I think deep down

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Speaker 6: he doesn't believe in that, because he doesn't think that.

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Speaker 6: He thinks that the countries will always work around that.

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Speaker 6: But he's kind of boxed himself into a corner, and

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Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin might likely make him, you know, try to

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Speaker 6: do that. But I think deep down he doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to do that.

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Speaker 3: He wants this over with.

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Speaker 2: So but if we did not overhel I understand but

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Speaker 2: if it's not over with, Trump is going to send

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Speaker 2: in weaponry, but he's certainly not going to send in

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Speaker 2: American troops. But we're not asking answering the question of

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Speaker 2: does this mean that NATO troops are gonna are gonna

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Speaker 2: go in him and play some kind of peace keeping

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Speaker 2: force if no deal can be made, Can NATO nations,

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Speaker 2: really European nations afford to let Russia engage this war

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Speaker 2: of attrition to his victory. No.

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Speaker 6: And that's why if I'm advising Trump, you know, without

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Speaker 6: that reinforcement, without that you know, that way to take

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Speaker 6: this a mechanism in order to enforce this peace treaty,

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Speaker 6: all we're doing is risking this that I'm out for

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Speaker 6: Russia to basically reload. I think they need a break

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Speaker 6: right now. I think the Russians are somewhat culminated in

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Speaker 6: certain areas. They've gained, they had some games on the ground,

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Speaker 6: but they're on the verge of certain areas in particular

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Speaker 6: that if they had somewhat of a little bit of

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Speaker 6: a strategic pause or tactical pause on the ground right now,

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Speaker 6: that would go along the way. Plus they're more concerned

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Speaker 6: about you're seeing deep strikes now by the Ukraine military

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Speaker 6: and the drone strikes that are taking place. So Russia

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Speaker 6: needs this as a pause, so they might do anything,

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Speaker 6: in say anything to get that pause. But again I

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Speaker 6: just I'm not in the long run, I think it's

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Speaker 6: just going to be them trying to run out the

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Speaker 6: clock a little bit until until they can find a

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Speaker 6: fracture within.

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Speaker 2: The US and the European analys before I let you go,

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Speaker 2: what is the situation in Russia itself as you know

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Speaker 2: it and their feel of this war? Is it having

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Speaker 2: an effect on internal politics as you know, all politics

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Speaker 2: are local. Is it having an effect on Putin there

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Speaker 2: that maybe he needs to wrap this up to keep

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Speaker 2: everybody calm back on.

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Speaker 3: The home front.

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Speaker 6: Now, it's my understanding that this is solidifying Vladimir Putin's

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Speaker 6: control of Russia. It's not. You know, we've projected Russia

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Speaker 6: to be this Soviet Union poll at Burrow back from

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Speaker 6: the eighties and nineties. I've kind of fallen into this

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Speaker 6: trapped and a little more research and recognized that, you know,

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Speaker 6: Russia only has one hundred and fifty or one hundred

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Speaker 6: and fifty million people, and they're not this They're not

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Speaker 6: the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 3: So if this was the.

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Speaker 6: Former Soviet Union, that might be the case. But Vladimir

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Speaker 6: Putin has a clear stranglehold on all things that go on.

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Speaker 6: Russia controls the media, it controls anything that's on the

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Speaker 6: communication side. So there's no from what we're seeing, there's

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Speaker 6: no revolution and there's no uprising that's going to take place.

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Speaker 6: He spent fully in control fully controls the message. And

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Speaker 6: from his perspective, the United States is still an enemy,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's being projected still inside of Russia,

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Speaker 6: and the United States will get involved with this position. Now,

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Speaker 6: we'll get involved with Ukraine, and it'll just make him

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Speaker 6: stronger inside of Russia.

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Speaker 2: Major Mike Lyons retired to the United States Army. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to be with us. Follow

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Speaker 2: him on Twitter X m Aj Mike Lyons Lyons. Major

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Speaker 2: Mike Lyons on Twitter X appreciate you. More's coming up

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Speaker 2: on Tony Kats. So armed carjackers have now stolen a

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Speaker 2: tanker truck in Los Angeles and they got away. They

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Speaker 2: have stolen four different vehicles. They were in an app

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Speaker 2: one point fifty, then they were in another thing, then

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Speaker 2: they stopped the tanker truck and took that. I swear

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Speaker 2: to you, this is like the ending of Johnny Dangerously,

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats Tony Kas today, if you never saw Johnny Dangerously.

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Speaker 3: Michael Keaton, Joe Piscopo, so good.

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Speaker 2: Johnny Dangerously is a great film, great film. It's a

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Speaker 2: crazy story. But the story that I was going for

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Speaker 2: today is this story about Paramount.

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Speaker 3: Plus.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about game changer, this is it Paramount,

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Speaker 2: which is now owned by sky Dance, big, big, merger,

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars. They are the ones Paramount that has

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Speaker 2: taken on the South Park streaming five years, one point

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Speaker 2: five billion dollars. And I think Paramount got a deal,

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Speaker 2: like I'm stunned it's that little. They now have starting

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, a seven year deal to stream

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Speaker 2: the UFC seven point seven billion dollars. So it's a

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Speaker 2: it's a backloaded deal, so the first couple years will

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Speaker 2: be less than one point one billion a year, and

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Speaker 2: then it'll be more than that in those final years.

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Speaker 2: And number two, they're not doing pay per view, they're

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Speaker 2: not charging for the events.

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Speaker 3: It comes in the twelve ninety nine a month.

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Speaker 2: Subscription you get with regular paramount plus their their premium service.

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Speaker 2: Oh what you just heard was millions of people leaving

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Speaker 2: whatever other services they were with to get Paramount Plus.

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Speaker 2: Now they may still get ESPN because ESPN has the

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Speaker 2: WWE and with the buy in from what you wanta

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Speaker 2: call it, oh Gosh from NFL, may have the majority

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Speaker 2: of NFL games.

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Speaker 3: This is nuts.

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Speaker 2: This is huge because I like UFC, but I hate

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Speaker 2: working with the ESPN stuff. Now that it's under one

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Speaker 2: roof Paramount plus it is buy Netflix, something's got to

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Speaker 2: give of.

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Speaker 3: Most probably gonna be Netflix.

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Speaker 2: This is a huge, huge move and not doing his

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Speaker 2: pay per view is a game changing thought process.

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Speaker 3: It's a gamble and I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today,