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Speaker 2: Guys, before we get into football stuff at the combine

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Speaker 2: here we were talking about the Pacers and all the

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Speaker 2: injuries they have. They of course had the one hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine from the NBA for lack of better

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Speaker 2: term tanking. Also that you can say it, jeff Utah

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Speaker 2: was fined five hundred thousand dollars for tanking. They announced

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Speaker 2: yesterday the starting center use of Nurkic will undergo a

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Speaker 2: surgical procedure on his nose Kevin and he will be

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Speaker 2: out for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 3: But the part that is ridiculous about that, which again

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you shouldn't get surgery, but he's had

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Speaker 3: for years plural So.

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Speaker 2: Do they canvas the room and go Guys, if you've

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Speaker 2: had anything you want to get taken kby.

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Speaker 3: I know you talked about like you know, hey, I

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Speaker 3: like rocking the hookahs. The toe isn't what it used

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Speaker 3: to be. So if you need some time.

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Speaker 4: Off, brothery the Hookahs have worked out great.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say if you if you were a part

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Speaker 5: of the Utah Jazz.

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Speaker 2: I look old as hell, but the toe feels good.

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Speaker 3: I'm just letting you know, if you were a part

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Speaker 3: of the Utah Jazz roster, you could go get surgery

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Speaker 3: be out for the year.

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Speaker 4: Well, I feel like the Jazz and the Kings having

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Speaker 4: The Kings had about nine dudes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, out for the year with surgery as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, again on the if you want to look

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Speaker 4: at the Pacers Sunday night, they actually I mean they

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Speaker 4: played to win that game. You know, Siakam is finished

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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, and you know Rick Carlisle's challenging

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Speaker 4: plays late, and you know some of these other teams.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute, how have there not been

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Speaker 4: additional fines in Utah's case or in Sacramento's case? Just

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Speaker 4: I guess any sort of punishment here. So this gets

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Speaker 4: back to the conversation we had about a week and

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Speaker 4: a half ago, James, I think it was you and

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Speaker 4: I when we did the show right after the fines.

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Speaker 4: It's like, where is the actual black and white on

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Speaker 4: So it just seems like such selective punishment when it

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Speaker 4: comes to some of this stuff, and it's very confusing

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Speaker 4: to me. And I think if you're a member of

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Speaker 4: the Pacers would be very frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I think they just canvassed the room

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Speaker 2: to your point, James, and this said, Okay, anybody that's

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Speaker 2: had anything over the last five seven years that they

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Speaker 2: want to get taken care of but have kind of

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Speaker 2: played through, now's the time to get it done right.

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Speaker 2: It's you got to have that skin tag removed and

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Speaker 2: you can be out for two to three which.

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Speaker 4: Again I guess I understand a little bit of it,

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Speaker 4: but it's like, Okay, from an NBA punishment standpoint, why

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Speaker 4: Indiana with one hundred thousand cents and again second out

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Speaker 4: of it back to back? It just all I mean,

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Speaker 4: if we go back to it, it's all very confusing

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Speaker 2: Uh, no question about that. Not a lot of confusion

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Speaker 2: at the combine, it's pretty straightforward. Everybody gets together. Most

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Speaker 2: teams do, though you guys were talking though during the

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Speaker 2: break there are a few teams that don't send their

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, James, feel free to ram Jags. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there are some other teams I think that you know,

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Speaker 4: the on field workouts is the most pubular sized that

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Speaker 4: The other big thing for teams is you do get

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Speaker 4: all that stuff is now videotapes and you can do

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Speaker 4: think it's an overwhelming amount, James. But definitely some teams

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny, Kevin and Jeff when you look at

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Speaker 3: well you got to be sending people, you got to

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Speaker 3: you know, depends on how you want to approach different things.

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Speaker 5: But ultimately it's a results based league.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, technology has changed a lot of it,

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Speaker 4: So we'll see, and again our world is largely turning

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Speaker 2: Does that matter?

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah bench press. Basically, I think a lot

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Speaker 4: there's obviously personality history. There is certainly you know, football

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Speaker 4: I think that is some of what this week is about.

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Speaker 4: Of like, your athletic makeup has whatever an eighty eight

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Speaker 4: It's not the end all be all, but it's another

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Speaker 4: morsel of information. Obviously you have outliers. Kennymore the second

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Speaker 4: Angelo Pons. You know we're gonna have Dane Brugler join

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Speaker 4: I know he is a huge d Angelo Pons guy.

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Speaker 4: Even though from an athletic profile standpoint, you probably don't

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Speaker 2: You know, one of my good friends who's no longer

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Speaker 2: with us, Gil Brandt, is really the guy that started

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about. Or he started at index characteristics

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah. I mean, to James's point, you can

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Speaker 4: literally project forty yard dash times by you know, watching

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Speaker 4: there that are able to do it. One Colt's note

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Speaker 4: We have seen very little defensive line coach Charlie Partridge.

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Speaker 4: I believe that was by choice. I think the Colts

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Speaker 4: Actually went to Notre Dame. He's familiar with their defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 4: He seems to like this, Yeah, definitely. So, uh, this

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Speaker 4: they really haven't had a lot of staff turnover, coaching

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Speaker 4: I think you would see some franchises, some organizations try

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Speaker 4: Colts have not done that. Really, their offensive staff has

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Speaker 4: hardly been touched at all. Yeah, in the Shane Stike

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Speaker 5: Baby, you take what you can get. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, just to clear up a little bit of background,

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Speaker 4: Four thirty Shane Stike in Yeah, no, hell not enough kids?

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Speaker 4: Yeah hell marked in four years ago things have changed

437
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Speaker 4: quite a bit.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah so, but I also like to say this, just

439
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 2: to be fair, when they made that trade for Gardener,

440
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,959
Speaker 2: the team was rolling right, and then I'll admit it,

441
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: I was kind of excited by that. I'm like, Okay,

442
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 2: they feel like they're doing well. They're leading the league

443
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 2: in points, they're leading the league in yards. Finally went

444
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 2: that offense is going there. Let's shore up the defense

445
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 2: and see if something can happen, especially in the AFC South.

446
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Speaker 2: So at the time I see everything you're saying, But

447
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,479
Speaker 2: at the time, I'll be honest with you, I was like, Okay,

448
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Speaker 2: I'm up forward with this. Let's see what happened.

449
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the whole short term gain versus long term reality.

450
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Speaker 4: What is in it? And you know, I'm sure there's

451
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Speaker 4: some talent in that eleven club last night for the

452
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Speaker 4: USA Hockey team that looked pretty attractive to him. That

453
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Speaker 4: one night could turn into nine months of commitment, that

454
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 4: could turn into eighteen years of commitment. If you follow me, there.

455
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Speaker 2: Look at Kevin going, uh going, You see the effect

456
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Speaker 2: you have on Kevin Bowen, Mark Decton, Do you see

457
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Speaker 2: what you're doing the.

458
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Speaker 3: He's learned well, you know, keep your pants on back there, Mark,

459
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Speaker 3: when you look at it.

460
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's exact apples to apples, but

461
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Speaker 4: both of our franchises here in our market, the two

462
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Speaker 4: big ones, they both made massive trades in the last

463
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Speaker 4: calendar year. They both traded multiple first round picks. I

464
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Speaker 4: would argue one franchise has earned the right to make

465
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Speaker 4: that trade and the other one is not.

466
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Speaker 2: Do you remember how you felt today that that the

467
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Speaker 2: Sauce Gardener deal went down?

468
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

469
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Speaker 4: I I you know, I'd have to go back and

470
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Speaker 4: obviously pull out the audio. But I think Sauce Gardner

471
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Speaker 4: as an individual player is a great, great talent, certainly,

472
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Speaker 4: and he plays a premium position that the Colts have

473
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Speaker 4: struggled to find. But at the same time, when you

474
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Speaker 4: make a trade of that magnitude and Zubots will have

475
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Speaker 4: a similar amount of pressure on him. When you put

476
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Speaker 4: all your eggs into the one player basket, there's risk

477
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Speaker 4: if that player has any sort of hiccup or flaw,

478
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Speaker 4: it's exposed times ten what you're sending away if Ady

479
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Speaker 4: Mitchell becomes a great player. Jets obviously a very happy

480
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Speaker 4: about that. They also have two first round picks that

481
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Speaker 4: they could benefit from. You know, the Clippers, Benedic Mathen's

482
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Speaker 4: had a really good start for him, They're obviously very

483
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Speaker 4: happy about that. They also have two first round picks

484
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Speaker 4: that could benefit then, whereas the Colts it's all on Gardner,

485
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 4: the Pacers, it's all on Zobots. And so the moment

486
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Speaker 4: that that player whatever a struggles or again there's injury risk,

487
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Speaker 4: which unfortunately with Sauce that happened there that I think

488
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Speaker 4: is what gets really exposed in these moves. So I

489
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Speaker 4: just don't think as a franchise you have earned the

490
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Speaker 4: right to sign off on a trade that guaranteed not

491
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Speaker 4: only your quarterback commitment. But again, James, you sat there

492
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Speaker 4: on the Carli ERSA Gordon press conference at the end

493
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Speaker 4: of the season, she said that the fact that Chris

494
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Speaker 4: Ballor did the trade was a positive element in retaining him.

495
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Speaker 4: Just doing the trade, Well, think about that. If you're

496
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Speaker 4: Chris Bower and you're sitting in your office and you're

497
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Speaker 4: sitting there saying, hey, if I just do this trade.

498
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Speaker 4: That means I'm gonna potentially keep my job more so

499
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Speaker 4: than if I don't do the trade. Time to do

500
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Speaker 4: the trade, That to me is a little odd.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then again a little bit of grace towards

502
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Speaker 2: the Colts, just to be fair here. Who can see

503
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Speaker 2: that Ward's gonna have his problems, Gardner's gonna get hurt,

504
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Speaker 2: the Forrest Buckner's gonna get hurt. I mean, the list

505
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Speaker 2: of injuries to guys. If you had the list of

506
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Speaker 2: five guys that absolutely could not get hurt for the Colts,

507
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Speaker 2: seems like all five of those guys are the ones

508
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Speaker 2: that got hurt. That's crazy. What are the chances?

509
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Juju or Shimmer?

510
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Speaker 2: Who's gonna ask the Juju question today? That's my question.

511
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'll go for it tomorrow on the show.

512
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Speaker 5: How about that?

513
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Speaker 3: But the one quick dog, I know we got to

514
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Speaker 3: get to break here soon. My thinking at the time

515
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Speaker 3: of the Sauce Gardner trade was you all just got

516
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Speaker 3: your butts.

517
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Speaker 5: Whooped in Pittsburgh. I was there. That was a horrible game.

518
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Speaker 3: I want to say Daniel Jones had five turnovers himself,

519
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: the team might add seven, And I was thinking to

520
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Speaker 3: myself and I wrote it at the time. You're going on,

521
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Speaker 3: it's exciting. I understand you haven't done this before. But

522
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: there's a Jim Ersay quote on paraphrasing here, but he

523
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Speaker 3: was saying, once you find that quarterback, you're on that highway.

524
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Speaker 3: You're on that for a while. And to me, before

525
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Speaker 3: you made the Sauce Garder trade with the two first

526
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Speaker 3: round picks, it was your last exit. Now, ain't no

527
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Speaker 3: rest stops. You're rolling and you've hitch your wagon to

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Speaker 3: this guy. So I wrote that at the time, and

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Speaker 3: I felt that at the time because I thought it

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Speaker 3: was such a huge commitment. Granted it was one that

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Speaker 3: again at the time, Jeff, Yeah, they're rolling. They were

532
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Speaker 3: playing good football. Chris Ballace said they were the top

533
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Speaker 3: four team in the NFL, and then my counter to

534
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Speaker 3: that would be, we can talk about it here. On

535
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Speaker 3: the other side is if you're a top four team,

536
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Speaker 3: I get that you got injured, but how come you

537
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Speaker 3: can't win a game. I'm not saying win multiple games,

538
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Speaker 3: win a game to end the year. Seventh straight losses.

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, ah, like it gets again, it's

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Speaker 3: all nuanced, But yeah, there's a lot of context to

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Speaker 3: be talked about here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it gets back to the debate of again two

543
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Speaker 4: months versus eight years. You know, what are you weighing here?

544
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Speaker 4: Are you weighing the two month mirage or are you

545
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Speaker 4: weighing eight years of evidence?

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Speaker 3: And he told us it wasn't a barrage, So I'm like,

547
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Speaker 3: all right, well then if it wasn't, then we better

548
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Speaker 3: see some results immediately this year.

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Speaker 4: And basically when you made that trade. You know, I

550
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Speaker 4: don't know if these exact words were said that next day,

551
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Speaker 4: but it's like that trade again, also said Daniel Jones,

552
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Speaker 4: here's the quarterback keys through at least twenty twenty whatever

553
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Speaker 4: seven if you want to play that card twenty twenty eight,

554
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Speaker 4: you know, without your two first round picks and Chris

555
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Speaker 4: Bouen and Shane Sike, and here are your continued keys

556
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Speaker 4: to operate our franchise. Those are big, big commitments, more

557
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Speaker 4: so than just Sauce Gardner as a player. Sauce Gardner,

558
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Speaker 4: I think when healthy is a great player again at

559
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Speaker 4: a premium position. He's twenty five years old on a

560
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Speaker 4: reasonable contract, But it's more than just him, and I

561
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Speaker 4: don't think that was fully explored all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Marl all this coming up a little bit later on.

563
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Speaker 2: We'll get some of the techs and feedback and questions

564
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Speaker 2: you guys have for the Colts and the combine as.

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Speaker 2: We will set up shop here and be here all

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Speaker 2: week long downtown with the Convention Center. It's the Fans

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Speaker 2: Morning Show with Cavin Mark back at the studio. James

568
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Speaker 2: Boyd here on site, engineer Cam. I'm Jeff. We'll continue

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Speaker 2: in a moment. Ninety three five and one of seven five?

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Speaker 3: Is Alec Pierce a number one receiver? Because he's gonna

571
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Speaker 3: get paid like one? And if he does get paid

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Speaker 3: like one, presumably with the Colts.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, the whole definition of a number one wide out,

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Speaker 4: I think is always a very polarizing thing. Are there

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Speaker 4: just thirty two number one whiteouts? Is that how we

578
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Speaker 4: do it? Each team has one of them? Or is

579
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Speaker 4: that not a thing? Can well have multiple? Number one?

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Speaker 5: He's your number one receiver? Are you okay with that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You okay with him being your top guy? Because when

583
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Speaker 3: I'm on the scouting report and I'm the Jaguars, he's

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Speaker 3: the top guy.

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Speaker 5: On the list. I'm saying, I gotta slow down. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Again, to me, he possesses the hardest wide receiver trait

587
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Speaker 4: to find. In today's NFL, defenses are doing everything and

588
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Speaker 4: anything they can to take away big place and Pierce

589
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Speaker 4: has shown in his NFL career, no matter who the

590
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Speaker 4: quarterback is, and he's had some bad quarterbacks, that he

591
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Speaker 4: can be a consistent, big play maker. And I think

592
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Speaker 4: that is really really coveted, and I think that is

593
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Speaker 4: worth the price tag. If you want to be Devil's

594
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Speaker 4: advocate and say he's not worth that, all right, walk

595
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Speaker 4: me through what the wide receiver position is going to

596
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: look like then, because I I I agree. I just

597
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Speaker 4: think it's interesting, Like now, does he does he catch

598
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Speaker 4: eight balls a game?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Is he that type of right now? No, he's not.

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Speaker 4: I did think he showed some growth in year four

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Speaker 4: outside of just being a home run hitter, which I

603
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Speaker 4: think is important to point out of. Like, you know,

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Speaker 4: when you drafted him, there was a thought there of

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Speaker 4: you are banking on some development with him. You know,

606
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Speaker 4: at Cincinnati he really was you know, he played defense

607
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: early in his career. Marcus Freeman was a defensive coordinator.

608
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: He wanted Alex Piers playing defense with them.

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Speaker 3: Mark guy notorious he knows nothing about football, but I'll

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Speaker 3: let you continue.

611
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: Played special teams and then eventually you know, his volleyball

612
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 4: background led him obviously to being a great wide out.

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Speaker 4: So I think he has shown some growth as well.

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Speaker 4: Now you know again, is he gonna be a one

615
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Speaker 4: hundred catch guy? Probably not, but I still think he

616
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Speaker 4: possesses a trait that's really really coveted and it's worth

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Speaker 4: a price tag in the mid twenties to high twenties.

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Speaker 5: Can be seventy catch guy because he's never eclipsed fifty.

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Speaker 4: He's never eclipped forty seven catches in a season.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess the counter there, Mark would be that's

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Speaker 3: a good question. But two, does he need that many

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Speaker 3: catches considering the volume in which I mean that volume

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Speaker 3: the yards per reception.

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Speaker 5: I think he led the league for a second straight year.

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Speaker 3: So are you okay with having I don't know, sixty

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Speaker 3: one catches, but they're going for twenty yards of pop

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Speaker 3: eighteen yards of pop.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say about Alec Pierce. I'm gonna build

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Speaker 2: on what you said, Kevin. I think he not only

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Speaker 2: has the number one trait that you need in the

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Speaker 2: national Football League. I think he's got the top two

632
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Speaker 2: traits you need for a wide receiver in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I was we knew he could blow

634
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Speaker 2: the top off of coverage, and he had demonstrated that early.

635
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Speaker 2: He really doubled down on that last year. That's great.

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00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: He can get behind anybody in the National Football League,

637
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Speaker 2: that's huge. But his ability last year you talk about

638
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Speaker 2: him growing Kevin, his ability to make the contested catch,

639
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: like every single time that ball was thrown into a

640
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Speaker 2: tight window and he was well covered or he had

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Speaker 2: to make a catch with one, you know, one foot

642
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: being dragged behind him in the corner of the end zone,

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Speaker 2: of the corner of the sideline. His ability last year,

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Speaker 2: what he showed me to make any catch almost every

645
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: time he could get his hands on a football. That,

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Speaker 2: in addition to the speed and the ability to get

647
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Speaker 2: behind defense is I think he's going to be a

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Speaker 2: great receiver in this league. Do I think he's gonna

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Speaker 2: be Hall of Fame. I'm not going to go that far.

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Speaker 2: But my point is, I think let me go on here, Mark,

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Speaker 2: before you get back to my projections, someday, tell me

652
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Speaker 2: that he's not gonna be tell me he's not gonna

653
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Speaker 2: be one the top six wide receivers in the AFC

654
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Speaker 2: this year.

655
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Speaker 4: In the AFC, YEP slightly different than kendah Man.

656
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Speaker 5: I might say he won't be. I gotta see who's

657
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Speaker 5: in the AFC.

658
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Speaker 2: I just think he's got everything you want and in

659
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Speaker 2: a wide receiver.

660
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Speaker 5: What is he top six AFC wide receiver? Boy? That

661
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: is quite the question.

662
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: Is Chase his ECO collins?

663
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Speaker 2: The ball skills that he showed tell me he's not

664
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Speaker 2: a bad look. He's just as effective as a as

665
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Speaker 2: a downfield, blow the top off receiver as Jamar Chase was.

666
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't get the volume that Jamar Chase did. And

667
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he is Jamar Chase. Listen carefully to

668
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He possesses everything you want a top

669
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Speaker 2: wide receiver in the NFL to have. He takes. He

670
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Speaker 2: takes the top off a defense. Tell me which contestant

671
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Speaker 2: catches he didn't make last year.

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Speaker 5: I agree with that to an extent.

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Speaker 3: But because this is and this is why I ask

674
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Speaker 3: a question, how how do you perform when you're the

675
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: top guy on this guiding report? Everyone knows you got it,

676
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: You're gonna get the ball, or you're gonna try to

677
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Speaker 3: get you the ball, and perhaps you don't have Michael

678
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: Piman Jr. Alleviating some pressure. So let's just play it out.

679
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: If Michael Pitman Jr. Isn't there, Alex Peis resigns and

680
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: gets a big bag of money, they'll probably bring in

681
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Speaker 3: another receiver. But the way people scout you and look

682
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: at you changes drastically. So can you produce when everyone

683
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Speaker 3: and their mother knows you're getting the ball? I mean so, yeah,

684
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Speaker 3: Javar Chase in any comparison, Jeff, it's hard for me

685
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Speaker 3: to fathom.

686
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Speaker 2: I did not say top receiver in the AFC. My

687
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: point is, I don't.

688
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Speaker 5: Even know if like top six is that that's tough.

689
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Speaker 2: My point is, you can you can say that he

690
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: can get downfield and get open. Yeah, for sure, for sure,

691
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Speaker 2: But like man, but he's not gonna he's not gonna

692
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: get put to your point, he's notcual to get the volume.

693
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: Jimar Chase can be thrown at twelve times a game.

694
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Speaker 2: Sometimes that's not gonna happen with that.

695
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Speaker 4: Piers boy, I did not see James's question turn it

696
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Speaker 4: into this where see you.

697
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Speaker 2: Guys are gonna turn it on me. I can see

698
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Speaker 2: this as we go. I'm saying he has the ability

699
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Speaker 2: to be a top receiver, certainly in his conference and

700
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Speaker 2: and as time goes on the NFL.

701
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Speaker 4: Mark, you ever gone rumshot in the coffee I.

702
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 5: Have, I've done Buffalo trace and the company standing.

703
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: I can endorse that wholeheartedly.

704
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: So I gotta see what the coffee, you know, bars

705
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: look like that Jeff Ricker just found out.

706
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Look, I would say thinks enough of him that they're

707
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: gonna pay him top dollar this year.

708
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Speaker 4: I will say this on Pierce to go back to

709
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Speaker 4: kind of the original question. And you know, I guess

710
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: not be super hyperbolic with it. Who had a better

711
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: season last year? Alex Pierce and Michael Pittman Jr. Ap

712
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: easily And he had thirty three less catches than Michael

713
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Speaker 4: Pittman Jr.

714
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know.

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Speaker 4: Mark throughout the number there of whatever seventy catch he goes,

716
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Speaker 4: you know, can he be a seventy catch guy?

717
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Speaker 2: Like?

718
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Speaker 4: I understand there was an element of like yes week

719
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Speaker 4: in the week out, you want to see your top

720
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Speaker 4: wide out be whatever seven to eight catch guy, Like

721
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Speaker 4: there is a there is a notion to that, But

722
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Speaker 4: I don't. I think at times it can be a

723
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Speaker 4: little overblown. I mean we were talking about and for

724
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Speaker 4: the most part, Pittman Junior and Pierce played a very

725
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: similar amount of games. Hell, I would say Pittman Junior

726
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: probably played more games. And you know thirty three catch difference,

727
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Speaker 4: And if you ask the question of who was a

728
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Speaker 4: better whiteout, you would say Alec Pierce definitely was the

729
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 4: better white out. So when you have led the NFL

730
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Speaker 4: in yards per catch each of the last two years,

731
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Speaker 4: when you just did something this league hasn't seen in

732
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Speaker 4: over a decade, Deshaun Jackson, what twenty ten, twenty twelve.

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah, with the twenty yards of catching all that twenty

734
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Speaker 3: two yards catch, it was a couple of years ago.

735
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Speaker 4: So you know that is big, big praise now, you know.

736
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Speaker 4: Am I ready to say Canton, Ohio? Am I ready

737
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Speaker 4: to say whatever?

738
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Speaker 5: No?

739
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Speaker 4: But I think for the Colts operation and the Colts

740
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Speaker 4: depth chart and I and I do think you have

741
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: to acknowledge Tyler Warren's presence as a consistent pass catcher,

742
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: you expect that continue to be fair. Yeah, some of

743
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Speaker 4: Michael Pittman Junior. Then I think Pierce is a worthy

744
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: of the type of money that he's going to garner.

745
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Speaker 2: And I want to be clear, I'm not talking about

746
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: a number of catches. I'm not talking about making it

747
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: on All Pro team or anything like that. I'm just saying,

748
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: to your point, Kevin, in terms of impact, we've seen

749
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: what he can do when he gets behind guys, which

750
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: he seems to do once or twice a game, and

751
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Speaker 2: I was more impressed. We knew that at a certain

752
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: point last year. I was more impressed as the year

753
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: went on with his ability to if he threw the

754
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: ball his way, James, he was going to catch it.

755
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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen all the time in the National Football League.

756
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's uncanny with that, Jeff. I mean jump ball,

757
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty ball. I actually talked to Reggie Wayne

758
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Speaker 3: about this last year because the common term is fifty

759
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: to fifty ball, but he was saying with Alex, it's

760
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: probably like eighty twenty because of the catch radius.

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Speaker 5: And really I think it's it's skill.

762
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Speaker 3: It's also a talent and kind of a gift and

763
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: him working at it, and to all the points that

764
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: you all have made, he has expanded the Rau tree.

765
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: He has become a more complete player, and that was

766
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: one of the questions about him. But honestly, one of

767
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: the funnier things about this is that, remember he started

768
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 3: his career with a drop touchdown pass.

769
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Speaker 4: Yeah in Houston.

770
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm thinking to myself, you've gone from that

771
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Speaker 3: to now, Jeff, He's gonna make one hundred million probably

772
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Speaker 3: on the next contract. Like that is quite the rise

773
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Speaker 3: for Alec Pierce, and he's earned it. I think, you know,

774
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Speaker 3: we talked about competition in the roster. He's the only

775
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: one I could point to and say when there was

776
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: extra juice, additive position, when there was extra competition, additive position,

777
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: as Chris Ballace, that he wanted to have. Alec responded

778
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: when Adie Mitchell showed up, he was like, all right,

779
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: this guy's here to take my job. I'm gonna make

780
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: sure I keep my job and not only keep my

781
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: job and get paid.

782
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Speaker 5: So shout out to him.

783
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: So do we need to try to come up with

784
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: the six wideouts?

785
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 5: Or no?

786
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: Are we are? We are we gonna give Jeff?

787
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: Are we gonna dre Are you talking about the a

788
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: f C.

789
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: Can't o io seemed outrageous.

790
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: Nobody said can't ohio? Mark? Can you drum up that audio.

791
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: Please go get shirt, give give me, I said, I'm

792
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: you can see the edit.

793
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Speaker 4: Jop you got Jamar Chase, Niccollins, Flowers, Courtland Sudden, so

794
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: you so we would say Flowers, Suddon was with the

795
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: Dolphins before he got released. Yeah, the other names I

796
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: came up, but then again I'm not taking to these names,

797
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: but I would say Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Wattle

798
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: came that, CAF Stefan Diggs, Lad McConkie, Brian Thomas Junior.

799
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Speaker 2: A year from now, you're going to be putting him

800
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Speaker 2: in the in the list of some of those guys,

801
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: because what doesn't he do Kevin.

802
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 4: Well, I think he doesn't consistently catch the football to

803
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: the notion of a lot of number one whiteouts. Now,

804
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 4: some my counter and say, well, he hasn't been asked

805
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: to do that, but you know, I.

806
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 5: Think now you will be that's that's kind of like

807
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 5: my broader right that.

808
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: That is a fair.

809
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Speaker 2: Critique.

810
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 4: I think it's unfair to say that yet because I

811
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: don't think he's been asked to do that, but it

812
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 4: is unknown. Can you round out the whole route tree

813
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 4: and can you make a few more of the boring catches,

814
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: more of the methodical catches. Again, at the end of

815
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: a season, can you be a seven to eight catch

816
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 4: a game sort of guy, six seven eight six seven

817
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: catch a game guy? Can you do that? That would

818
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: probably be the question that I would have, And you

819
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: know that's really the big one for me.

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Speaker 2: I think he can I do. I saw the route

821
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: running last year. I saw contested catches, his ability to

822
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: take the top off of the defense. I think we

823
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 2: saw a guy who was starting to become a big

824
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: time receiver last year. And I think if he just

825
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: continues on the trajectory that he's on, I think he'll

826
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Speaker 2: be one of the better wide receivers, certainly in the

827
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Speaker 2: division and certainly in the AFC. I believe that well.

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Speaker 3: I looked it up, Jeff number six in the AFC

829
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: receiving yards last year.

830
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Speaker 2: I want to give me a name, Alec Pierce.

831
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Speaker 5: There you go, so, hey, got my gout, you little.

832
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: I go back to the word, I really go back.

833
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: I was really building on what you were saying, Kevin,

834
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Speaker 2: because I really think the keyword when it comes to

835
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Speaker 2: Alec Pierce that you talked about was impact. Every time

836
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: that guy caught a pass, it was it was a

837
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: key first down, or it was a touchdown, or it was,

838
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: like I said, the contested catch, or it was flipping

839
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: the field. Every time he made a play, it seemed

840
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: to make a big difference in the game, didn't it.

841
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he is a home Yeah. I mean,

842
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Alec Pierce fan. I just I don't

843
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: know if I want to be grouped into Canahan.

844
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Speaker 2: Well then why are you playing? Nobody, said Canton, Ohio.

845
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: This is this is how it's gonna be for the

846
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: next twelve months. James, Oh boy, the quote was. I'm

847
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: not saying he's going to the Hall of Fame. I'm

848
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: not saying multiple All pros. I'm saying he is going

849
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: to be a reliable, great receiver in the National Football League.

850
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 2: All you gotta do is look at how many teams

851
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: are willing to pay him a bunch of money this

852
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: off season.

853
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark, I'm buying a ham and Crew neck right now,

854
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: I'm taking out the credit card.

855
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 6: Oh look at that.

856
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know I wanted to get it.

857
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: It was online only, though, so I wanted to go

858
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: in the store and get it in person.

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00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Mark, you do know all the

860
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: Chicago guys are here, so you let me know we

861
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: wanted to stadium updates.

862
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: I'm stuck in the studio.

863
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw the Chicago guys. This is

864
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Speaker 2: what is Mark?

865
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Speaker 4: Do you want me to order?

866
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Speaker 7: You want?

867
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'll happily pay you. There we go. Look

868
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 5: we're getting some things done here.

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Speaker 2: What size Mark large?

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Speaker 6: Larger in charge?

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Speaker 4: I'm on it, larger than charge.

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Speaker 2: I'm on it.

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Speaker 4: Free shipping Tuesdays.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to the shop for that. Tell out to

875
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Speaker 2: the shop we need to get some Gary Berry T shirts.

876
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Speaker 5: Gary Berry.

877
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was trolling the family back home, wh don't we

879
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: gotta get to break? But they were not pleased with me.

880
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Speaker 3: When I got on the road, I was definitely telling

881
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Speaker 3: my family, Yeah, you're losing your NFL team, you losers,

882
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Speaker 3: you finally get good at football, and now you're going

883
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Speaker 3: to our state yep. And they were not very pleased

884
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Speaker 3: about that. Jeff had to get at my grandma's house

885
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Speaker 3: because my uncle looked like he wanted to put hands

886
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Speaker 3: on your boy.

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Speaker 2: All right, Kevin is making his purchase. Mark is a

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Speaker 2: getting him on. We'll talk more about the Colts of

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Speaker 2: the Combine coming up. In a moment at ninety three

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Speaker 2: five and one oh seven five the fan, we welcome

891
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Speaker 2: in our first guest of the morning in somebody we

892
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Speaker 2: had a chance to talk to last year for a

893
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Speaker 2: very great reason. A. She knows the NFL inside and out. B.

894
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Speaker 2: She's doing some great things while she's gonna be here

895
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Speaker 2: for the Combine later this week. Kaylen Keller from ESPN

896
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Speaker 2: senior NFL reporter joins us now on the Payless Liquors Hotline.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Caylin, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 7: Good morning, I'm doing well, you know, just my first

899
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Speaker 7: morning here at the combine A guy who last night

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Speaker 7: and I'm already like behind schedule and totally unorganized. So

901
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Speaker 7: you know it's it's right on park for a normal combine.

902
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Speaker 4: Week, Kaylin, thank you for the time. Okay, So Friday,

903
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Speaker 4: you know we've gotten used this event before with Peter

904
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Speaker 4: King over there at sun King. I love my have

905
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Speaker 4: a little Wemac beer. What can fans look forward to Sunday?

906
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Speaker 4: And of course it's going for a great cause.

907
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So on Friday night at sun King, my old

908
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Speaker 7: boss Peter King, who is not retired, he's actually he

909
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Speaker 7: went to the Winter Olympics, with his wife. They went

910
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Speaker 7: to see figure skating and then had this great Italian

911
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Speaker 7: vacation that looked awesome.

912
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Speaker 8: So he's enjoying.

913
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Speaker 7: Retirement right now, but he started this event. I don't

914
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Speaker 7: even know how many years it's gone on now. I

915
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Speaker 7: feel like it's been probably close to ten years where

916
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Speaker 7: we gather a panel of NFL insiders, NFL reporters for

917
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Speaker 7: all different outlets to talk about the NFL Draft, to

918
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Speaker 7: answer your colts questions, your NFL draft questions, your combine questions.

919
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Speaker 8: And it's going to.

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Speaker 7: Be this Friday at sun King starting at six o'clock.

921
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Speaker 7: And this year's beneficiary is Riley Children's Hospital, so we've

922
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 7: got a great beneficiary. And I will send you guys

923
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Speaker 7: the link so you can close on your website if

924
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Speaker 7: you want your tweet about it later. But on my

925
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Speaker 7: Twitter at Kaylen Taylor klwaya h L E R you

926
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Speaker 7: can find the link.

927
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Speaker 8: I have it pinned there.

928
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Speaker 7: The link to buy tickets is twenty five dollars and

929
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Speaker 7: the proceeds go to Riley Children's Hospital.

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Speaker 8: So it should be a great night.

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Speaker 7: It's always really fun to meet people in Indianapolis who

932
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Speaker 7: care about football and who want to chat and we've

933
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Speaker 7: got you know, we're gonna have a great panel supporters.

934
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Speaker 7: Albert Brier from Sports Illustrator will be there. We've got

935
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Speaker 7: a few.

936
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Speaker 8: ESPN folks Brooke prior for ESPN.

937
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Speaker 7: I'm going to have some of the some reporters who represent,

938
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Speaker 7: you know, the first couple of picks in the draft,

939
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 7: Raiders and the Jets present to discuss what these two

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Speaker 7: teams might do with their picks. And there'll be some

941
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Speaker 7: items to bid on, some fun autographed items related to

942
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 7: football as well. So if you guys are interested, I'd

943
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Speaker 7: love to see anyone listening there this Friday night at Sunking.

944
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Speaker 3: Kaylin, this is a great event. Your boy will be

945
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Speaker 3: pulling up, so it'll be good to see you later

946
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Speaker 3: this week. Yeah, I can definitely vouch for the event.

947
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Speaker 3: It gives you a little chance. I guess people behind

948
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Speaker 3: the curtain when it comes to our lives NFL reporters,

949
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Speaker 3: what's going on in this year's draft. And one question

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Speaker 3: I have for you, Kaitlin is this is such a

951
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Speaker 3: an eclectic event. I feel like it's kind of all

952
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: over the place, depend on what your role is. So

953
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Speaker 3: for those who don't know what the combine experience is

954
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Speaker 3: like for someone who's in your role without giving away

955
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: too much, and are you hours working on something? Can

956
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: you explain what that looks like, you know, in your

957
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: week ahead?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So like it's you try to plan as many

959
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 7: you know, actual scheduled meeting coffee meetups or source meetups

960
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 7: as you can, you know, I usually try to go

961
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Speaker 7: into it with a list of people that I've never

962
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 7: met in person, but maybe I talked to them on

963
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 7: the phone for a story this year, and I'm like, oh,

964
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 7: it would be really nice to like actually meet this

965
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Speaker 7: person in person, so they know who I am, they

966
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Speaker 7: know what they look like. So I'll usually go in

967
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Speaker 7: with a few names like that, where I'm trying to

968
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Speaker 7: get them for a coffee or get them for you know,

969
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 7: just a random like three thirty afternoon meetup or something.

970
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 7: So you try to do that, but then inevitably things

971
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Speaker 7: come up and obviously you're kind of popping around, like

972
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Speaker 7: as you guys mentioned, today is the head coach and

973
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Speaker 7: General Manager press conference day, which is always interesting and

974
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Speaker 7: I like to listen to those and come come with

975
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 7: on my own questions. So you have to stay tuned

976
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Speaker 7: because they're all spread out through the entire day, and

977
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Speaker 7: like it starts at ten am, and then as you

978
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Speaker 7: guys mentioned, the Colt Skies aren't until like four or

979
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Speaker 7: five pm today, so they're a lot later in the

980
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 7: day that everybody else is going. So yeah, and then

981
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 7: as you walk from place to place, you could never

982
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Speaker 7: get anywhere on time, Like I'm not even on radio

983
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Speaker 7: road right now because I knew I was going to

984
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Speaker 7: be late, because I haven't even picked up my credential yet.

985
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Speaker 7: Because as you walk down the you know, it takes

986
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 7: like fifteen minutes to walk to the convention center indoors

987
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 7: from your hotels. Everything's connected to be Indianapolis. You never

988
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 7: have to go outside, but you're going to run into

989
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 7: somebody you know around one corner. You have a five

990
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Speaker 7: minute conversation. Then you run into someone else you know,

991
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 7: like twenty dight later, and so it's great.

992
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Speaker 8: For that because you're just collecting tidbits.

993
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 7: Like I always have my little notes app open on

994
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Speaker 7: my phone because is you know, I'll talk to someone

995
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 7: and they say something interesting and I don't want to

996
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Speaker 7: forget it later, so I have to like write it

997
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 7: down immediately or it's going to leave my brain.

998
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 8: So it's a lot of that, and then you know, you'll.

999
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Speaker 7: Do dinners if you know, with people, and yeah, it's

1000
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 7: just running around like crazy from one thing to the next.

1001
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 7: And I also always try to do at least one

1002
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Speaker 7: thing that's kind of like accessy. So like last year,

1003
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Speaker 7: I sat in on the kicker workouts, which was really

1004
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 7: random but actually ended up being kind of interesting. And

1005
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Speaker 7: so I try to do something where I'm like, all right,

1006
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Speaker 7: I want to actually see like a football player do

1007
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 7: a football act like because this is like, you know,

1008
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Speaker 7: completely unrelated to that. So I try to have like

1009
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Speaker 7: one thing where I'm like, Okay, I get to watch

1010
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 7: this workout or you know, I'm gonna spend time, you know,

1011
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 7: with this thing that's you know, different or interesting.

1012
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 8: So yeah, I try to do that as well.

1013
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: Keayvin Kayler, senior NFL reporter at ESPN, joining us on

1014
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Speaker 2: the payl List Lookers hot Line. Right now, Kevin, from

1015
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: your perspective as somebody covers the league as a whole,

1016
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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the Indianapolis Colts and where

1017
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Speaker 2: they're at right now and all the decisions they've got

1018
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: to make this offseason.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think that their leadership is in

1020
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 7: a good place. Like actually this morning, in about an hour,

1021
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 7: Carli Ert Gordon is going to be doing a little

1022
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 7: speech at a women's forum, so a little conversation I

1023
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 7: think with her two sisters as well. I think the

1024
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Speaker 7: three of them are doing a little panel.

1025
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Speaker 8: So I'm going to swing by that because I'm really.

1026
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Speaker 7: Fascinated with her leadership and you know, because it was

1027
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Speaker 7: their first year obviously, her first year leading the team

1028
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 7: last season, and so it was it was it was

1029
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 7: interesting to see that she didn't make any changes because I.

1030
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 8: Was curious, like what was going to be.

1031
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 7: Her process and when her first year in that seat right,

1032
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 7: and so you know, I think it's too early to

1033
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 7: tell if that's the right decision to you know, stay

1034
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 7: put or not. But it seems like she is really

1035
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 7: taking it seriously and has prepared and is doing the work,

1036
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 7: and like everybody raves about her leadership, So I think

1037
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 7: that that's a really, you know, a positive thing.

1038
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 8: But I think, like my main takeaway.

1039
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Speaker 7: From the whole Philip Rivers scenario was I don't know

1040
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 7: this is really.

1041
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 8: A reflection on the Colts or if it's a.

1042
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: Reflection league wide, but it's something I'm going to be

1043
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 7: having conversations about is quarterback development? Like I really felt like,

1044
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 7: and this is just not a this is not a

1045
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 7: slam on Philip Rivers, but I really felt like that

1046
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 7: was just a total indictment on quarterback development in the

1047
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 7: NFL that you would rather call a guy who's been

1048
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 7: out of football for five years and is I don't

1049
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 7: even remember how old he was now, but like you know.

1050
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 8: Past forty, right, Like you'd rather call that.

1051
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 7: Guy to come play for you than to take to

1052
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 7: take your sixth round rookie quarterback and give him the shot.

1053
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 8: Like That's where I was just like, Okay, this is a.

1054
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 7: Cute storyline, but what are we doing? Like what does

1055
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 7: this say about the crisis of quarterback development for these

1056
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 7: young quarterbacks? They are not ready and teams are not

1057
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 7: even willing to to I guess give them the reps

1058
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 7: that late in the season.

1059
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Speaker 8: And I understand their were stakes. You know, they were

1060
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 8: in the playoff race.

1061
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 7: It wasn't like the season was lost, right, but I

1062
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 7: don't know, I felt like that was just I had

1063
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 7: a lot of questions about that.

1064
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Kayln kaylor is with this here from ESPN. She's

1065
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 4: got the event coming up. The old if you will.

1066
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: The Peter King's Son King event reminder, that is the

1067
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: downtown location right off College Avenue, So just east of

1068
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 4: downtown here coming up six o'clock to seven point thirty

1069
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 4: on Friday in the Riley Children's Foundation where those proceeds

1070
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Speaker 4: are going. Kayln, I do look around the room, and

1071
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. Maybe see some bleary eyed individuals

1072
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 4: here on this Tuesday morning, and you know, I guess

1073
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: I'm maybe making a little light of the situation. But

1074
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: obviously we had quite the event after hours in Indianapolis

1075
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: for one Mark Sanchez back during the fall. Yeah, did

1076
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Speaker 4: you my god, did you happen to look into that

1077
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: story at all? Was there anything that maybe you discovered

1078
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: with that that has maybe not come to light?

1079
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 7: I did look into that, and I will say that

1080
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 7: was such a weird, weird reporting experience.

1081
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 8: Like I mean, I've done a lot.

1082
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 7: Of like you know, investigative quasi investigative stories where I'm

1083
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 7: like trying to get information that is sensitive or you know,

1084
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 7: classified or confidential or you know something you know, something

1085
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 7: controversial happened and you're trying to find out more information

1086
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Speaker 7: about it. And I've literally like, as we've talked about

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Speaker 7: on the show before, like I've done like reporting on

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00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 7: like religious extremists, religious groups in Indiana, and like that's

1089
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 7: been weird, but this experience was so odd. Like I

1090
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 7: came to Indianapolis a few days after the situation happened.

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Speaker 7: It was in October, and it was I think I

1092
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Speaker 7: came maybe two days after.

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Speaker 8: So I missed like the initial media wave.

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Speaker 7: Like there was a ton of reporters who came to

1095
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Speaker 7: Indianapolis TMZ, like national like you know New.

1096
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 8: York posts like outlets like that that are like.

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Speaker 7: Not normally covering football, but what we're fascinated by this scandal.

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Speaker 8: And I came after the first wave of those people,

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00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 8: and it was just.

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Speaker 7: So so odd, like I was getting shut down every

1101
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Speaker 7: angle you can imagine, and also in like just really

1102
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Speaker 7: weird ways, like the guy who owns, Oh my gosh,

1103
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 7: I'm blanking on the name of the bar, thank you.

1104
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say her because he'd done a local TV interview.

1105
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 7: He had been on the local news on television, like

1106
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 7: his face was on it, like there was no hiding

1107
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 7: his identity. I went there thinking, oh, okay, he's already

1108
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 7: done the local news. Ddy, he's obviously going to you know,

1109
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 7: say yes to talk to me, Like what's the difference.

1110
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 8: I'm not even trying to put them on camera.

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00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 7: And I have just the weirdest experience there, like he

1112
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 7: as soon as he like I introduced myself as a reporter,

1113
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 7: it was like, you know, the mood change. It was like, no,

1114
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 7: wouldn't even serve me a beverage. I was like, oh

1115
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 7: my gosh, I'm just trying to like, you know, have

1116
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 7: a beer here. And so that was really weird to me,

1117
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 7: and it really gave me the sense I can't you know,

1118
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 7: I haven't like proven this out, but like, you know,

1119
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 7: what happens in these scenarios most likely is whoever is

1120
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 7: the subject of, you know, the issue, like the controversial event,

1121
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 7: it's going to try their best to cover things up

1122
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 7: and to you know, have the information stay private. And

1123
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 7: I think based off of my experience of like getting

1124
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 7: shut down and like every avenue, including by people who

1125
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 7: had already given out information, I got the sense, like

1126
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 7: an overwhelming sense that like there was there was active like.

1127
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 8: Don't talk about this going on among among.

1128
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 7: People who knew things, which is not out of the

1129
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 7: ordinary at all, Like that's probably what's gonna happen here,

1130
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 7: Like that's why you have agents, That's why you have

1131
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 7: like you know, crisis PR firms, like all of that

1132
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 7: stuff exists to like, you know, make sure that information.

1133
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 8: Isn't getting out.

1134
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 7: But that was my overwhelming experience is like, wow, this

1135
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 7: is a really weird beport I'm getting, Like just it

1136
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 7: was just really weird vibes all around, and you think

1137
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 7: you were going to get information and then the person

1138
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 7: would clam up, you know, and like I had. I

1139
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 7: even had trouble at getting video footage of you know,

1140
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 7: areas that would have caught him on camera when people

1141
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: initially said, oh, yeah, we'll go through our cameras, will

1142
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 7: help you, and then it was like, oh no, we're

1143
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 7: not going to help you, you know, like it would

1144
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 7: be like a.

1145
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 8: Quick change in willingness to help. So that was really interesting.

1146
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 7: But I will say that the latest update on that,

1147
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 7: I've been in touch with the lawyers for Perry Toll,

1148
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 7: who was the victim in that case, the man who

1149
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 7: ended up getting beat up by Mark Sanchez and the

1150
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 7: one who ended up stabbing him and what appeared.

1151
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 8: To be self defense.

1152
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 7: His attorneys, Uh, the latest with that is like there

1153
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 7: was a lawsuit against Fox and against Mark Sanchez, and

1154
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 7: that lawsuit they were trying to move it, I believe,

1155
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 7: out of the state because Fox is not in Indiana,

1156
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 7: and his lawyers were arguing to bring it back into

1157
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 7: Indiana into the local Indianapolis courts. But within the latest filing,

1158
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 7: there was a really interesting and again this is not

1159
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 7: necessarily factual because it's in this document, but there was

1160
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 7: a sentence in their filing to move this back to

1161
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 7: Indiana courts.

1162
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 8: Within the court system, they did have a.

1163
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 7: Sentence that said that they were under the belief that

1164
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 7: Sanchez had been getting into I wish I had it

1165
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 7: in front of me right now, but I believe I

1166
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 7: believe it mentioned like a specific you know, being overserved

1167
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 7: or I think it mentioned possibly a specific drug at

1168
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 7: Saint Elmos. And so they said Saint Almost is actually

1169
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 7: added to this lawsuit as well, because his lawyers have

1170
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 7: kind of identified that as the place where whatever happened

1171
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 7: to Mark Sanchez that night began essentially. So that's the

1172
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 7: latest like interesting turn in this is like Saint Almost

1173
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 7: is added to the lawsuit.

1174
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 8: And the latest filing, his attorneys aren't.

1175
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 7: Saying more specifically, like what they think Mark was getting

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00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 7: into and I don't have it in front of me

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00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 7: right now to read it verbatim, so you know it's

1178
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 7: out there though. I think people have tweeted it and

1179
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 7: published it. But that's the latest kind of interesting.

1180
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 8: Turn in this. And so it hasn't gone.

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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 7: To trial, like it's still in the discovery phase. And

1182
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 7: you know, I'm assuming something like this is going to

1183
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 7: end up getting settled. I would be surprised if it ever,

1184
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 7: you know, the civil lawsuit at least if that ever, uh,

1185
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 7: you know, made it to a trial.

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00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: Calin, thanks so much for stopping by this morning. I

1187
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: know it's a it's an early start to the to

1188
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: the combine for you, but you appreciate you checking in.

1189
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: And one more time. You'll be Friday night ware raising

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Speaker 2: money for food.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're going to be myself and a panel of

1192
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 7: various interesting reporters are going to be at some game

1193
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 7: brewery the downtown location, and we're going to be talking

1194
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 7: NFL and raising money for Riley Children's Hospital.

1195
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Speaker 8: So if you want to come have a beer with

1196
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Speaker 8: us and learn some NFL sacks and support a good cause,

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Speaker 8: this is the event for you. Six o'clock Friday, night.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Thanks so much for stopping by. I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to talk to you and see you the rest of

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Speaker 2: the week. Have fun.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thanks for having me. Guys.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's edit the pay list lookers hot line

1203
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Speaker 4: tonight it is pacers and sixers inside of gamebridge Field

1204
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: House and to chat more about that. It is our

1205
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 4: weekly combo with the head coach, Rick Carlisle coach. We

1206
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 4: always appreciate it, especially on a game day.

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Speaker 5: How are you doing doing fine?

1208
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 4: Let's start with Pascal Siakam. Saw he popped up on

1209
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: the injury report elbow and is doubtful for tonight. We

1210
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 4: saw him play and play very well his return on Sunday.

1211
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 4: Is that something that happened during the game on Sunday?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? I did.

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00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 6: I did, having a play. I believe it happened when

1214
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 6: he drove and I think Chris Middleton took a charge

1215
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 6: and he hit the floor and landed on it. Is

1216
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 6: it you said, elbow? I thought it was rist but oh,

1217
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 6: elbow risk one of the two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a risk. But looking at the

1219
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: rest of your roster, Rick, when you look at what

1220
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: Kobe Brown has offered you all, what do you think

1221
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: has led to some of his Uh, I would say

1222
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 3: just outside shooting, the opportunity that he's had to really

1223
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: show maybe an expanded game.

1224
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 6: Well, our style plays quite different from the Clippers, so

1225
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 6: I think it suits him a little bit better. And

1226
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 6: it's just it's just a different kind of way of playing.

1227
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 6: You know, we played faster, we play with more with

1228
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 6: more random movement, and I think that's kind of naturally

1229
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 6: what is uh, you know, best for best for his game.

1230
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 6: And you know, we've we shelped him with a couple

1231
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 6: of small adjustments with his with his shooting, and he's

1232
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 6: doing he's doing some good things.

1233
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: You know, he's a.

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00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 6: Good all round player. He's versatile, he can play multiple

1235
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 6: multiple positions. He guards well, he crashes the offensive boards. Well, uh,

1236
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 6: you know, the game he had in New York in

1237
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 6: his first game, you know, was very impactful. He had

1238
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 6: to or three offensive rebounds, he had a three. He

1239
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 6: drove it, you know, that game that's an overtime win

1240
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 6: for us. He was he was plus thirteen in the game,

1241
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 6: which was the best on the team. So he's got

1242
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 6: some tools and you know, so far things have gone well.

1243
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 5: Rick.

1244
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 3: You talked about the style of play that you all

1245
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: have with your franchise or trying to play random. What

1246
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: is that balancing act like in a season like this

1247
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: where you have so many different guys playing and playing

1248
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: big minutes and after your core, you want to be random,

1249
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 3: You want to be fast, you want to move. But

1250
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: have you had to run maybe more set plays than

1251
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: before because you have so many different bodies in there,

1252
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: or how have you kind of adjusted?

1253
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're pretty much stuck with you know, our our

1254
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 6: our regular format with that stuff. We are in the

1255
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 6: process of making some tweaks, you know, with U with

1256
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 6: the addition of of zoobots, and you know, he'll enter

1257
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 6: the lineup at some point and we want to be

1258
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 6: able to take advantage of his inside play, so we're

1259
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 6: we're working on some things behind the scenes. I think

1260
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 6: that they can help enhance his situation with us, and

1261
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 6: it can also help us use his strengths to generate good,

1262
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 6: good looks for other guys. You know, he puts he

1263
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 6: puts rim pressure on in a different way and a

1264
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 6: lot of times you can engage defenses. He's very good

1265
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 6: at catching the ball in the pocket and kicking it out,

1266
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 6: so you know, his his activity is good for attacking

1267
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 6: the rim with him, but it's also good for kickouts

1268
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 6: for open threes. So you know, we're looking at a

1269
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 6: few things there. And you know, is this continues to unfold,

1270
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 6: and whenever he gets into the lineup and starts playing

1271
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 6: a little bit, you'll probably see some things a little

1272
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 6: a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: Rick.

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00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: I know you all are in the middle of a

1275
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: home stretch here. Do you have a timeline or an

1276
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 3: idea of when we could see Zoobots making pay your debut.

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Speaker 6: Not an exact one. I don't see him playing this week,

1278
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 6: and I don't know, it's hard to say. It's hard

1279
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 6: to say, but I think sometime in the next two

1280
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 6: to three weeks you could see him. I mean, this

1281
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 6: is this is a situation where he turned his ankle

1282
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 6: in December pretty severely. Was it was deemed to be

1283
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 6: a four to six week recovery. You know, their team

1284
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 6: was six and twenty one at the time. He wanted

1285
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 6: to come back and play and try to help them,

1286
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 6: so he came back after two weeks and then it's

1287
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 6: just you know, it's just been a bit of a

1288
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 6: yo yo thing where it's just it's remained swollen. He's

1289
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 6: been able to play, but not play at his best level.

1290
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 6: And after making a deal like this, you know, with

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 6: the with everything involved, and with the importance of him

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01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 6: to us both present and future, you know, we got

1293
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 6: to make sure he's right. We got to make sure

1294
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 6: the flexibility, range of motion. You know, he still has

1295
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 6: swelling in there, and this is an opportunity to make

1296
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 6: sure that we get him two hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Getting that's a voice of Rick Carlile, Pacers. It's a

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Speaker 4: game day for them. They got the Sixers tonight. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna get a few people here at the Convention Center,

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Speaker 4: here at the NFL Combinal slide over to Gainbridge Field

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Speaker 4: House to watch Pacers and Sixers tonight. One more kind

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Speaker 4: of the Zubats front coach. You know you've touched stylistically

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01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: how it is different. You know what Zubots is going

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01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 4: to bring, you know, punishing the smalls and trying to

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Speaker 4: take advantage some of that stuff. How much of the

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Speaker 4: final twenty twenty I guess you said here in a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks he could make his return. Do you

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 4: find that beneficial for the likes of Aaron E. Smith

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: Andrew M. Hard Pascal. Of course, to get used to

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Speaker 4: playing alongside of that get used to throwing the ball

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Speaker 4: in there to take advantage of those opportunities. Obviously, Tyresee

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Speaker 4: will not play, but how much do you view it

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Speaker 4: as it's beneficial for some of your other key guys

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Speaker 4: ahead of next season to get a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a head start on that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. And it's not just beneficial for them,

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 6: it's really important for him as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, we just.

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Speaker 6: The Clippers are more of a medium tempo team. They're

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Speaker 6: very very well coached, you know, with Tylou and his staff.

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Speaker 6: I mean think at Jeffy and Gundy as the defensive guy,

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, they're really h They really have

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 6: a high level coaching staff and they just their style

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01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 6: is just different. And so you know, when Pascal came here,

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Speaker 6: if you recall it was a little over two years ago, now,

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Speaker 6: there was an adjustment for him, you know, because of

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Speaker 6: the the pace that we played at in Toronto, by

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01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 6: no means was a slow team. But you know that

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Speaker 6: that's that's an important element. But it really works both ways.

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01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 6: It's important for the other guys playing with him, but

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Speaker 6: it's also important for him too, and he needs to

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Speaker 6: feel what a different system is going to feel like.

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Speaker 4: Again. We are live here at the NFL Combine Pacers

1334
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Speaker 4: and Sixers tonight over gamebridge Fieldhouse.

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Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle is with US coach.

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Speaker 4: We don't hear maybe as much about the NBA Combine

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01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 4: at least you know, from a you know, multi day event,

1338
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: but I know it's very beneficial from a draft standpoint.

1339
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 4: What's your history been like with the with the combine

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 4: from an MBA side of it, and how beneficial do

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 4: you find it from a draft evaluation standpoint?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's helpful. I mean you have interviews with UH

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01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 6: with prospects in your draft range and they I don't

1344
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 6: know that they there's there's some kind of process where

1345
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 6: you print in requests and you try to get you

1346
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 6: hope to get as many interviews as you can, you

1347
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 6: know oftentimes. I mean I've been going that thing for

1348
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 6: twenty five years and it's actually actually longer.

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Speaker 8: You know, used to it was, and.

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Speaker 6: Only in recent years has been called the Draft Combine.

1351
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 6: It used to just be called the Chicago Free Draft

1352
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 6: Camp and get opportunity to sit with guys, talk with

1353
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 6: them face to face with your with your management staff,

1354
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 6: head coach. You know, our sports psychologists will be in there,

1355
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 6: scouts will be in there to watch these guys play

1356
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 6: for you know, a number of years all that, and

1357
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 6: it's just another chance to to engage and ask questions

1358
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 6: and kind of see what's what. But you don't know

1359
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 6: exactly who you're gonna get, but you hope for the best.

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Speaker 5: Rick.

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Speaker 3: I know you gave the update Sunday night about Tyreeves

1362
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 3: coming down with shingles. Obviously that's something you don't want

1363
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 3: to hear, obviously going through a tough season already.

1364
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Speaker 5: But have you spoken to him at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you probably have, But just where are his

1366
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 3: spirits at just dealing with something else in a season

1367
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: that clearly didn't go his way.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he came down with it last week. He was

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01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 6: in the process of meeting us in Washington, coming from

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Speaker 6: I think I think he was in Mexico for the

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Speaker 6: All Star break and then he had these headaches and

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Speaker 6: they they told him it'd be best just to go

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01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 6: back to Indy, and so he did. He diverted his

1374
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 6: trip back to Indy and got tests, got test done,

1375
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 6: and et cetera. And it turned out that's.

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Speaker 8: What it was.

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Speaker 6: And as you guys are probably aware, of the single

1378
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 6: is a very very very painful condition. It comes on it,

1379
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 6: it lasts really an unspecified amount of time. I hope

1380
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Speaker 6: is that you can get through it in the matter

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 6: of a few weeks. And there are treatment and medicines

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 6: and all that and all.

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Speaker 8: That, but.

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Speaker 6: In general, his spirits are are always good. I you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm always amazed, you know, even when he had the

1386
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 6: injury in Game seven last year the Finals. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he's just an upbeat guy, you know. So he will

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01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 6: be through this at some point. Again, not exactly sure

1389
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 6: how long. We won't see him for a while, probably

1390
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 6: at least a couple three weeks. I probably we probably

1391
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 6: won't see him until after the West Coast trip. But

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Speaker 6: the hope is at that point that he'll be uh,

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 6: he'll be healthy, uh, feeling well, and then and then

1394
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Speaker 6: through the through the painful part of this whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Again. Rick Carlisle with us here. It's pacers and six

1396
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: ers tonight, seven o'clock over at game Bridge Field House,

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 4: coach last one and as always we thank you for

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01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 4: the time. It's our first combo since we did see

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Speaker 4: the NBA what I've called very selective punishment here with

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01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 4: the fine a couple of weeks back. What was your

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01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 4: reaction when you saw that news from the from the league.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I you know, I put out a statement about it.

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 6: I didn't I didn't agree with it. It was there

1404
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 6: was a there was a league lawyer that was doing

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Speaker 6: the interview that kind of unilaterally decided that Aaron Ne Smith,

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01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 6: who had been injured the night before and couldn't hold

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 6: the ball, should have played in the game, which just

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 6: seems ridiculous. And during the interview process, I was not

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01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 6: on it, but I but I heard details. We asked

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 6: them if they wanted to talk to the doctors, our

1411
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 6: doctors about it, because it's something that was documented by

1412
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 6: our doctors and trainers. They said no, they didn't need to.

1413
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 6: They talked to their doctors who did not examine Aaron Smith,

1414
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 6: and we asked them if they wanted to talk to

1415
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 6: the kid, and they said no, they didn't need to.

1416
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 6: So was this was shocking. This was shocking to me.

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01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 6: And during the interview they also asked if we considered

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01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 6: dedicating him to play in a game when we were

1419
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 6: thirty games under five hundred. So I was very surprised,

1420
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 6: you know, obviously didn't agree with it. This is really

1421
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 6: the first time I've gone into any detail about it,

1422
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 6: but that was that was the deal, and so yeah,

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 6: that was it.

1424
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 4: Unbelievable. What a cluster To say the least coach is

1425
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Speaker 4: always we appreciate it. Good luck tonight and we'll chat

1426
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 4: out with you next week.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks tak care guys,